My husband thinks IABU for NOT allowing

(296 Posts)
Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:06:38

Toilet brushes in the house.

I have a toilet duck one with disposable brushes which you flush after one use.
And strongly feel this is the only option for hygiene. I can't bear the thought of my toddler or baby getting their hands on a poo encrusted toilet brush, or god forbid coming anywhere near the poo water which is always to be found pooling in the bottom of the toilet brush holder.

In my opinion it is beyond minging to own them, especially if you have young children in the house.

My husband thinks I am an anal germ hater.

What say the wise users of Mumsnet?

fuckwittery Mon 14-Jan-13 20:08:38

Pretty rank. I do have one but I keep bleach solution in the bottom and replace every 3 months. We didn't have one for a about a year when dd2 was in that touch everything stage!

MimmeeBack Mon 14-Jan-13 20:08:57


I hate toilet brushes, I have a toilet duck too, and that is bad enough.


littlewhitebag Mon 14-Jan-13 20:09:03

I hate toilet brushes and have banned them too. Liberal dousing in bleach is what it takes to clean toilets in my opinion.

BabsAndTheRu Mon 14-Jan-13 20:10:19

I'm with you, haven't had one in the house for years as got fed up finding them covered in poo and being the only one that cleaned them. This was before the kids came along. I find them totally gross.

N0tinmylife Mon 14-Jan-13 20:10:21

YABU! Just don't let the DC play in the bathroom, problem solved. I say that as someone who is clearly beyond minging! hmm

I have a toilet duck too. Toilet brushes are disgusting. My mother thinks I am weird.

Aspiemum2 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:10:58

Yanbu, I hate them and have the toilet duck too. Bleach also a must but not a toilet brush.

kinkyfuckery Mon 14-Jan-13 20:11:21

I have TWO loo brushes in my house. Can't think I've ever actually cleaned them in the almost-four years I've had them. Oh well.

Shutupanddrive Mon 14-Jan-13 20:12:43

YANBU, they are disgusting. I have the toilet duck thing too

edam Mon 14-Jan-13 20:12:57

If you don't have a brush, what implement do you use to scrub? It's all very well chucking bleach down there, but you need something to rub it around...

Pandemoniaa Mon 14-Jan-13 20:13:41

My husband thinks I am an anal germ hater.*

I'm liking what you've done there.

However, I can't say I'm overly charmed by toilet brushes but equally, I do get a tad concerned about the paranoia over Poo Germs that seems so rampant on here at times. But if have an inquisitive toddler than it's best not to provide the temptation of a lavvy brush.

insprognito Mon 14-Jan-13 20:13:42

I agree, don't like them either so YANBU.

catgirl1976 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:13:47


The are the vilest of vile things

CMOTDibbler Mon 14-Jan-13 20:13:52

I've got toilet brushes. No ones died <shrugs>

Unacceptable Mon 14-Jan-13 20:14:09

YANBU Evil, horrid, disgusting things.

I always think when I go to a public toilet and see a pinky stained brush with flecks of crap on that maybe I can hang on till I get home.

I wouldn't use a manky cloth to clean surfaces, why use a maky brush to clean a toilet?

porridgewithalmondmilk Mon 14-Jan-13 20:14:18

Yes, I need to have a scrub quite frequently, my poos are probably just exceptionally sticky/skiddy blush

Unacceptable Mon 14-Jan-13 20:14:25


Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:15:14

I have a toilet duck thing. It's just a handle which grips disposable brushes which you get in packs of 12 I think. So the only thing you have to store is the handle and handle holder, not the pooey bit.

Sidge Mon 14-Jan-13 20:16:05

I have toilet brushes.

I have three children.

None of them have ever played with a toilet brush. It's not that difficult to teach them not to.

IMO you can't clean a toilet properly without some sort of brush. Just chucking bleach down doesn't do the job. And as you can get loo brushes for 2 quid in Tesco you could change them monthly if you felt so inclined.

lyndie Mon 14-Jan-13 20:16:43

Fair enough if you don't like them but what about other germs? How can you ever stop your child getting their hands down their nappies, what about potty training, what about garden muck?

AmberLeaf Mon 14-Jan-13 20:17:10

disposable brushes that you flush ?

Have I misunderstood?

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:17:19

Pandemoniaa - hadn't noticed my pun. Unintentional wit.

I have a toilet brushy type thing, you can clip bathroom wipes or whatever you want to use to the end of it and wipe round then press a button and it releases the wipe into the toilet or bin. Its ace.

AmberLeaf Mon 14-Jan-13 20:17:55

Bleach just bleaches the crap, it is still there unless you scrub it away.

aimingtobeaperfectionist Mon 14-Jan-13 20:18:07

Um, what if there's poo marks down your toilet? My disgusting DP leaves skids and no way would 'chucking a bit of bleach' move them, they need scrubbing!

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:18:47

Sorry amberleaf - I did explain a bit too much.

CocktailQueen Mon 14-Jan-13 20:19:35

I can't stand the horrible chemical smell of products like Toilet Duck andf I couldn't stand to have one in the house tbh. Yuk yuk yuk.

I like my toilet brush. It's effective and better for the environment than chucking loads of unnecessary chemicals down the loo. And my children have never got hold of it, thank you. hmm

gordyslovesheep Mon 14-Jan-13 20:21:26

I use bleach - seems to work for us nasty men poo to deal with mind grin I find toilet brushes very grim

3monkeys3 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:22:07

People are misunderstanding what the toilet duck is! It's like a disposable brush - it is fine to flush as it just breaks down like loo roll! It has stuff in it to clean but you can use bleach too. My dc have been known to find it and run around waving it though, so it isn't totally child proof!

3monkeys3 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:23:15

You clip the disposable brush onto a plastic thingame which is what my dc wave around. I have not done a good job of explaining the toilet duck.

3monkeys3 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:24:41

Never had a brush - I just use bleach and a hand scrubber which I wash and microwave after.

EndoplasmicReticulum Mon 14-Jan-13 20:25:24

I don't like disposable anythings. Disposable toilet brushes are buying in to the same germ paranoia as those soap dispensers that you don't have to touch.

Bleach kills germs. Toddlers can be kept out of bathroom. A lot of things that say they are flushable really aren't.

GinGirl Mon 14-Jan-13 20:26:07

We have one, I just keep it in the ensuite, out of reach of children. We have hard water and just chucking bleach down the loo wouldn't shift some of the limescale or stains. Always rinse it clean, no-one's caught anything from it yet...

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:26:25

But better they wave just a handle of a toilet brush 3monkeys3 than the whole thing complete with caked on loo roll and poo bits. Yuck.

weblette Mon 14-Jan-13 20:26:48

Agree with Sidge, none of my four have chewed a toilet brush to my knowledge, the toilet brush in their bathroom is in the undersink cupboard, I rinse the brushes regularly in bleach and change them every three months or so.

3monkeys3 you may find your plumber disagrees with you about how 'disposable' they are, mine has to constantly unblock drains containing compacted 'flushable' toilet wipes.

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:28:18

Endoplasmic - they break up v easily. You'd struggle to make one brush clean two toilets before it disintegrated

Pandemoniaa Mon 14-Jan-13 20:29:55

I guess the thing I find mystifying about the whole Plague of Poo Germs thing is that those affected by it tend to disassociate themselves entirely from the poo in question. Whereas actually, they are, at best, co-producers of the toxic substance. Unless they are the Queen Mother. Who my grandmother always assured me didn't need to do anything as unregal as a poo.

McNewPants2013 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:30:53

I use a toilet brush with bleach and the brush is cleaned after use. I use a seperate bowl for toilet cleaning.

JustFabulous Mon 14-Jan-13 20:38:28

I have never had one and never would. Don't see the point when a bottle of bleach does a much better job and is much less puke inducing.

FarrahFawcettsFlick Mon 14-Jan-13 20:38:33

This is mine. I know, I know, overpriced poo scrubber. They sit by the loo and scream "I clean your poo" so I thought I may as well have a naice one!

Writehand Mon 14-Jan-13 20:40:11

Good grief some people live quiet lives! I don't think I've ever thought about this issue before. I don't think YABU, but you are perhaps a little unwise. Do you realise that kids from overly hygienic homes have weaker immune systems? Fact. Lots of research. Just Google. Here's one:

I remember one study about some affluent community in the USA with such ridiculously high standards of cleanliness that their 18 year old students were coming down with preschool viruses when they went away to university because they had not been through the "catching things" stage as preteens. Some of those little viruses can be more serious if encountered for the first time as an adult.

JustFabulous Mon 14-Jan-13 20:41:34

"If you don't have a brush, what implement do you use to scrub? It's all very well chucking bleach down there, but you need something to rub it around..."

No you don't. You squirt bleach under the rim and let it flow down and do its job.

elfycat Mon 14-Jan-13 20:41:49

I taught my 3yo how to scrub using the brush (she leaves marks herself) and then do this thing called washing her hands with lots of water and soap. Leaving marks was distressing her so it seemed the best solution. I supervised her enough, stopped any imaginative play or improvisation (like cleaning the shower) until she became bored with it as a toy and will only use it for the intended use.

Mind you I dislike them and change them frequently.

TheProvincialLady Mon 14-Jan-13 20:43:22

I get round this problem by installing a new toilet every 3 days. Anything to prevent my PFB from soiling his eyes by seeing a toilet brush, nay a toilet brush holder. In between times I just spray hot acid round the bathroom. I'm not bothered about the environment or my health.

TheProvincialLady Mon 14-Jan-13 20:44:22

And it is a proven fact that more children die every day from sucking toilet brushes than any other cause.

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:44:23

I let my toddler get muddy and explore the world.

I just don't want him touching human poo if I can help it. And don't get me started on dog poo.

Also thousands of children die every year in the developing world by drinking dirty water.

Germs can kill.

Heavensmells Mon 14-Jan-13 20:46:06

Toilet brushes are vile. My toilet is squeaky clean after a few squirts of bleach.

TheProvincialLady Mon 14-Jan-13 20:46:43

And my guests can stick their bare hands down my toilet to clear their skids if necessary. Or I provide toilet paper for them to wrap round their hands ineffectively. or more likely use my toothbrush.

Hulababy Mon 14-Jan-13 20:46:55

No toilet brushes in my house either. Hate the idea of them. I am capable of cleaning the toilets without.

Theicingontop Mon 14-Jan-13 20:49:13

My OH banned them, but I bought one last month because I was sick and tired of sticking my hand (albeit gloved) in the toilet to scrub it with a scourer.

They are not unhygienic if you wash them thoroughly and germ-kill!!! Bleaching just bleaches the grime white. It doesn't dissolve all of it and it builds up.

GiveMeSomeSpace Mon 14-Jan-13 20:50:13

OCD OCD OCD. Lost the plot and OCD

TheProvincialLady Mon 14-Jan-13 20:50:40

It's all a bit LMC this toilet brush hatred isn't it?

Writehand Mon 14-Jan-13 20:51:57

Yes, NooneelseisallowedaFergus (sorry but I've already got one), germs can kill, but you seem to be in danger of getting it a tad out of proportion. Washing hands is all you need to remove poo from them.

Thousands of children (millions actually) yes - but not from loo brushes round here. We have clean water and proper sanitation, etc.

TBH, I'd be prepared to bet a fiver (and me not a betting woman) that statistically speaking your kids - and everyone's - in this country are considerably more at risk from the bleach and such we all have. How many toddlers died of bleach poisoning last year? More than died from loo brush licking, I'd guess.

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:52:00

I think a young child could get a v severe bout of gastroenteritis by coming in to contact with human faeces. And like I said I do provide an alternative - flushable toilet brushes.

TheProvincialLady Mon 14-Jan-13 20:52:13

I'll stop nowgrin

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Mon 14-Jan-13 20:53:20

I have a toilet brush. I always disinfect it after use, so it is clean. I also don't allow my DD to play in the bathroom with toilet brushes hmm

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:55:51

Completely agree about the bleach point. It is beyond important to keep lids on properly and out of reach of children.

Still wouldn't keep a brush covered in poo next to my toilet though. And a baby touching one isn't going to know what it is, put it down and wash it's hands thoroughly with soap confused

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 20:58:50

And before anyone says, I don't allow my babies to play by themselves in the toilet / bathroom, but they do come in when I'm on the loo, dealing with toddler on the loo, when I'm in the shower etc and they can move fast and be into something before you know it.

GiveMeSomeSpace Mon 14-Jan-13 20:59:13

OP do you also have a "shoes off" policy in the house?

echt Mon 14-Jan-13 20:59:54

Toilet brushes are OK. I keep mine standing in a mixture of bleach and disinfectant. Once a month the mix is replaced and the brushes soaked in hot water and bleach. Even this is a bit of a conscience-twinger because of the environmental costs of producing bleach. Brushes replaced when the bristles get bendy.

All the waste here and frankly deluded obsession with hygiene is very strange.

Does anyone really really believe that everyone in their house washes their hands thoroughly after every visit to the toilet.? Really? Do they close the lid every time they flush? That door knob, that light switch will be pretty germy, I should think, so unless the washing facilities are outside the lavatory, you've got shit in your house.

The best you can hope for is to keep drilling on the hand washing, especially before handling food

thesnootyfox Mon 14-Jan-13 21:00:58

I like the idea of disposable brushes, can't quite picture them though. confused You have to something, bleach on it's own is not sufficient.

Iggly Mon 14-Jan-13 21:02:43

Why is your child wandering about unattended and at risk of grabbing the shit loo brush?

We have one but it's for cleaning the toilet, not shoving shit down. If a turd gets stuck, we use a bucket of water to swoosh it away.

Brush is used to clean the loo, then rinsed after use.

We have a separate loo and keep the door closed so none of the DCs can get to it.

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 21:04:19

Yes givemesomespace because we have a crawler and someone might have stepped in dog shit.

McNewPants2013 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:05:44

<Where do you all keep your tooth brushes>

every time you flush your toilet droplets of toilet water go on your toothbrush!

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 21:06:26

Basically, I can do 'poo' what parent can't. I wipe many bottoms per day and clean toilets etc. I even had a 3 legged cat who sometimes needed some help when he had a balance problem. I just want to minimise the poo i have to deal with.

Poo minimisation not maximisation.

TheProvincialLady Mon 14-Jan-13 21:06:43

I have heard of loads of cases of small children smearing human faeces - their own, and their siblings, all over themselves, a toy or their bedroom. It's very unpleasant but none of them caught gastroenteritis, let alone died of it.

If you lived in a hard water area like mine you'd find, like I did, that even the strongest toilet cleaners with limescale removers do sod all and you need to scrub with a brush.

Iggly Mon 14-Jan-13 21:06:56

Toothbrush is in a different room (separate loo)

And if they're in the same room, put the seat down.

Bogeyface Mon 14-Jan-13 21:07:08


Who on earth would leave a poo covered brush there?! They are easy to wash in a flushing loo!

I have always had them never found a toddler using one as a lolly in 22 years of child rearing.

I put bleach down, leave it while I clean the bathroom then scrub the loo, flush, stick some more bleach in and leave the brush to soak while I change the towels etc. Its clean, the loo is clean and it hasnt killed anyone so far!

Bogeyface Mon 14-Jan-13 21:07:46

There is a definite link between "shoes off" and "no bog brush" on MN!

Bogeyface Mon 14-Jan-13 21:09:01

Yes givemesomespace because we have a crawler and someone might have stepped in dog shit.

Do you not think that your guests might have noticed? "Excuse me, would you mind removing your shoes because I am worried you might be too stupid to notice that you are up to your eyes in canine crap?"

Bogeyface Mon 14-Jan-13 21:10:31

And may I add that all you are doing with your "flushable" solution is making your shit someone elses problem.

You have I am sure, read the outrage at people flushing tampons, well what you are doing is no better.

cantspel Mon 14-Jan-13 21:10:39

I am going to have to go on dragon den with my idea of a lockable loo brush. It will lock into its case so all these mothers who seem incapable of keeping their child away from a loo brush can sleep easy at night knowing their pfb has not toddled into the bathroom and touched a any poo. They will be sold with a pair of handcuff so you can lock your childs hab=nds to the cot at night so they cant stick their hands down their own nappy and run the risk of touching poo.

I will give the dragons 10% for £159k and all the loo brushes they will ever need.

We have loo brushes - the DC's know not to touch them although my DD (10yrs) knows to clean her skids!

Can't see the problem really - we're all fine with no nasty diseases! I'm not that worried about germs really...

cantspel Mon 14-Jan-13 21:11:54

hab=nds is the new way to write the word hands.

chandellina Mon 14-Jan-13 21:11:59

Wow, real obsession here. My one year old will reach for the brush but never pulls it out. She did eat her own faeces once but only had a little vomit the next day. I wish I were joking.

I also wish we'd just let a little more water run in the bowl here and then toilets would only need the regular deep clean not constant wiping out. This is simply not a problem in places where the bowl fills up high, and I wonder what is really worse for the environment.

GiveMeSomeSpace Mon 14-Jan-13 21:12:04

The germs, the germs. Beware the germs!

echt "deluded obsession with hygeine". Yep. Deluded and hysterical

Startail Mon 14-Jan-13 21:12:40

We have one because we have horrifically hard water and the lime scale has to be discouraged.

Horrid thing. my DMum certainly never had one.

Delalakis Mon 14-Jan-13 21:14:37

Goodness, I and my brothers grew to my current ripe age despite being brought up around the dreaded loo brushes, likewise my children. Like someone said, the germ phobia round here is ludicrous. You can't live in a germ-free bubble for ever, and if you're too obsessive your children will never develop natural immunities.

EvenIfYouSeeAPoppy Mon 14-Jan-13 21:18:25

cantspel grin

Also bemused at the horror of loo brushes on here. Ours is rinsed in the flushing loo, left to stand in loo cleaner and replaced regularly. Neither of my very active boys have ever played with it. Bogeyface makes a valid point - it seems environmentally less than ideal to use flushable loo brushes <puts it milidy>. (Must add, though, that I am a shoes-off-in-the-house person despite feeling perfectly comfortable with loo brushes grin).

We keep our bathroom clean and are pretty hot on handwashing. That seems to work despite the malign presence of the loo brush lurking.

hopkinette Mon 14-Jan-13 21:18:45

I love the loo-brush hatred on MN, I think it's one of the funniest things about this place. Imagine describing a bog-brush as "evil" - PMSL at that!

EvenIfYouSeeAPoppy Mon 14-Jan-13 21:19:31

puts it mildly, I meant, of course.

3monkeys3 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:20:11

People are allowed to wear shoes in my house and we have the disposable loo brush thing. Am I a Mumsnet anomaly?

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 21:20:21

Well, I hope none of you germ deniers work with the v young, sick or elderly.
Or indeed in a restaurant that I might visit.

WorraLiberty Mon 14-Jan-13 21:21:31

Why doesn't your Husband just go out and buy one if he thinks YABU OP? confused

I've always had a loo brush. It doesn't have lumps of shit on it and in the 18yrs I've lived in this house, the countless number of toddlers who have been in my bathroom have never eaten it.

EvenIfYouSeeAPoppy Mon 14-Jan-13 21:21:49

'Germ deniers'?


I've heard it all now.

weblette Mon 14-Jan-13 21:22:02

I don't think so much deniers as realists.

EverybodysSnowyEyed Mon 14-Jan-13 21:22:12

I caught DD cleaning DS' bum with the loo brush

Can't see why people are so hysterical about toilet brushes - you can clean them with bleach and they don't have to get pooey

The disposable brushes and quilted toilet paper are causing blockages in waste pipes. The other problem is people putting fat down the sink - you should pour into a pot and bin

I'm not sure bleach will get rid without a good scrub - any clever sciencey types about?

monsterchild Mon 14-Jan-13 21:23:18

We can't use those disposables due to being on septic system, so its loo brush for us.

cantspel Mon 14-Jan-13 21:24:14

I can go one worse than a loo brush.

i have a second hand loo brush in my upstairs loo. It was left by the previous owner when we moved in last year. it is a really nice loo brush so i bleached it and its rather nice holder and kept it. The whole loo was later ripped out and redone ( the 1970's burgundy was hurting my eyes everytime i took a pee) and i still kept the loo brush and holder as it matched everything i choose for my new loo.

GiveMeSomeSpace Mon 14-Jan-13 21:28:09

Germ deniers fucking hilarious. This gets better and better

Mia4 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:28:11

As someone with IBS, I can tell you I've shared with some of my fellow IBS followers embarrassment when having an 'episode' at someone's house and a mad panic finding nothing to ensure the bowl and rim are thoroughly clean and my bad stomach hidden!

YANBU to hate but I absolutely abhor no brush of any kind, however it sounds like you have something someone like myself could use in place of a brush, disposable brushes? At least without having to do what a good friend once did and put hands into the clean water to 'mop up stains'. Thankfully never had to do myself but I'm sure it's a matter of time-urgh.

chandellina Mon 14-Jan-13 21:28:23

Love the second hand one! Do I score gross points for not replacing my brushes in a year and a half? I have some spares but there's never a good time.

PhallicGiraffe Mon 14-Jan-13 21:32:41

What a bizarre thread.

AdoraBell Mon 14-Jan-13 21:32:58

I only have them because OH insists - I haven't told him I replace them as often as weekly sometimes, and he only grew up with them because his father insists on having. I put disinfectant in the bottom of the holder.

Maybe you could compromise, he gets to have the disgusting things as long they are thrown away and replaced with a new one after each use. See if that sounds like a workable solution. Off to throw up now, this has put me right off me dinner.

HelenLynn Mon 14-Jan-13 21:33:30

It doesn't seem reasonable that We As A Society have begun to chuck lots of little brushes into the sewerage system rather than cope with owning an object that has come into contact with poo, but it seems harsh to lay the unreasonableness at the OP's individual feet for buying something legal that's been marketed to her and clearly makes her feel more comfortable.

You rinse your ordinary non-disposable loo brush in the flush and clean it like Bogeyface says, and you also pour away the water that's gathered in the bottom of the holder and give that a quick bleach too if it needs it. If any cleaning implement becomes "encrusted" with anything you can't remove, you obviously chuck it away and replace it rather than keep using it! You don't give your young children unsupervised access to the bathroom.

Unreasonable doesn't seem quite the right word, but it is definitely some way down a slippery slope of unnecessary squeamishness, expense and environmental shafting.

CloudsAndTrees Mon 14-Jan-13 21:35:32

I am not a friend of the toilet brush. The duck things and bleach all the way in this house.

We are in a hard water area, but some lime lite sorts out any lime scale in the toilet.

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Mon 14-Jan-13 21:42:00

I am off to bed now.
Goodnight to all, including those who own toilet brushes. You have made me smile.
I am anal. This is true. Now shoes off please and the disposable brushes are in the cupboard if you do a sticky one. Now would you like red, white or lager?

cantspel Mon 14-Jan-13 21:42:16

chandellina my second hand loo brush and holder looks like original 1970's retro. The brush loos like it has been replaced but the holder could well be original.

cantspel Mon 14-Jan-13 21:45:20

I NEED this loo brush

It would look great in my downstairs loo

RambleOn Mon 14-Jan-13 21:49:05

What do all of you think the germs in the pan are going to do? Jump out and bite you on the arse?!

I'm crying laughing at "germ deniers" grin

I used to work in a Nursing Home, all of the loos had toilet brushes wink

HelenLynn Mon 14-Jan-13 22:14:44

3monkeys3, hang on, you DO let people wear shoes, but you DON'T like loo brushes. YES to shoes and NO to loo brushes. Shoes YES, loo brush NO. No... no, you are just upside-down and too confusing grin

BarredfromhavingStella Mon 14-Jan-13 22:32:58

We have 3 toilet brushes shock one in each loo & astoundingly none of them are caked in shit & both dc are just fine.....

Bogeyface Mon 14-Jan-13 22:38:34

Well I as I have said, I am card carrying bog brush owner so I am clearly also a member of the germ denier club.

And you know what?

I am a WAITRESS! And you will never know if its me that just brought you your dinner MWAH HAH HAAAAAAAA! grin

manicbmc Mon 14-Jan-13 22:43:52

Those disposable brushes that you flush are really, really bad for the environment and clog drains and stuff.

Don't let your kids play in the lav. hmm

Bogeyface Mon 14-Jan-13 22:46:10

"Mummy can we lick the bowl?"

"No, flush it like everyone else"

manicbmc Mon 14-Jan-13 22:52:16

Hahahaha grin

I'm with your DH, loo brushes are perfectly acceptable, disposable ones are wasteful and potentially drain blocking.

oldraver Mon 14-Jan-13 22:54:52

This comes up a lot on MN..and there are people who throw copious amounts of bleach and supposedly disposable thingies down the loo and always seem to think they are the only ones with clean loos and those who use loo brushes.

I use a loos are clean...... the loo brush IS NOT encrusted in poo..... there is no pooey water collecting in the loo brush holder. It is possible.... you just have to do it properly

I have a loo brush.
My 'thing' is not keeping toothbrushes in the bathroom. Anyone who does that has shit on their toothbrush and is more minging than I am with my loo brush. At least I don't put that in my mouth.

DeepRedBetty Mon 14-Jan-13 22:55:44

YABU about bog brushes but YANBU about wine. Sauvignon Blanc please, TD day tomorrow so I'm pretending it's Saturday YAY!!!

GreenShadow Mon 14-Jan-13 22:59:09

I use loo brushes for cleaning lime scale off the loo. I don't use it for cleaning poo marks. Even I find that pretty yucky.

OK, it's still not the most hygienic item in the house, but doesn't seem to be a cause of any sickness here.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Mon 14-Jan-13 23:01:16

Spot the people who live in soft water areas on this thread grin.

OpheliaBumps Mon 14-Jan-13 23:01:57

I can't believe no-one's commented on Lauriesfairy who uses a hand scrubber which she washes and microwaves afterwards envy that's [vom] by the way.

Surely putting a shitty scrubber somewhere you heat food is much more manky than having a loo brush in your bathroom?

snowday Mon 14-Jan-13 23:03:02

What about all the poo germs on money and bank cards.......•

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LadyIsabellaWrotham Mon 14-Jan-13 23:04:19

This isn't as bad as the person who disliked other people having magazines in their loos because, while she was sitting on the toilet , the sight of a magazine would make her think about the fact that her hosts might defecate on that toilet while reading a magazine, and people defecating was a distressing thing to be forced to think about whilst defecating.

So YABU OP, but YAN the most uptight loo-related poster on MN today.

manicbmc Mon 14-Jan-13 23:05:46

Is there an award? grin

snowday Mon 14-Jan-13 23:07:25

Having trouble with my link 0n Dirty Money

It's there now.

Primafacie Mon 14-Jan-13 23:12:12

I love magazines in the loos. I find the idea that my hosts also poo weirdly comforting, like we're all in the same boat. toddles off to therapy sesh

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 14-Jan-13 23:17:12

Loving this thread. But then I am a keep-your-shoes-on germ denier.

Incidentally, I was very immuno-comromised (Chemo), and I had ti avoid certain health risks... under-cooked meats and eggs, packed public transport in winter (or wear gloves) etc etc... No mention was ever made of boggy bog brushes.

BunFagFreddie Mon 14-Jan-13 23:19:18

I don't know how DS manages it, but I definitely can't do without the toilet brush. But, I generally think they are evil minging things.

ArtemisatBrauron Mon 14-Jan-13 23:20:43

My two and a half year old brother and my mum came to stay with us in our old flat and while she was in the bath he washed her back with the toilet brush before she realised what it was... Thank god she's very laid back and thought it was hilarious, I was grossed out though!

Primafacie Mon 14-Jan-13 23:22:12

I had a dream last night that I was reading ingredient list on a packet of healthy, vegetable-flavoured crackers, and it contained a warning not to consume if you are taking any drugs such as panadol.

What's it got to do with this thread? Nothing, but I sure as hell am not a germ denier. A germ avoider, maybe.

Primafacie Mon 14-Jan-13 23:23:54

Artemis that made me lol! Your mum is ace, I would have freaked out!

Softlysoftly Mon 14-Jan-13 23:27:01

I was shock at the microwave user too how gross!

Plus Adora throwing away your loo brush weekly wtaf how wasteful.

We have one in every toilet, DH has a restaurant, I shall hand us in to the environmental health people in the morning.

elizaregina Mon 14-Jan-13 23:27:47

I dont know what anyone would microwave a scrubber.

they are really a pittance to buy - a value pack of 12 is 60p somewhere....

I have to generally scrubbers are something people want to conserve - they should be seen as a disposable item - use them a few times ( not in the loo) and throw.

from the way some people talk about scrubbers on here i wouldnt be surpised if someone was sanctamonioulsy carefully washing a cup with an old scrubber they used in the loo bowl, thinking about how incredibly clean they were.

seeker Mon 14-Jan-13 23:33:52

Whqt makes me furious on threads like this is the realisation-(it feels newly horrific every time it hits me) that there are women who clean the loo after their men, and men who expect women to. It's up there with the most depressing things in the world. Why on earth would you put up with that? Everyone aged, say, 6 or over, is capable of dealing with any mess they leave in the loo!

INeedThatForkOff Mon 14-Jan-13 23:34:00

Eugh. Bog brush holders always have a pool of greyish-brown shit water in the bottom. Sod the DCs - I just won't have one because I know what's in it. As for the scrubbing conundrum, I use one of those disposable blue and white cloths for the whole bathroom, the toilet being last to be cleaned, then it gets chucked in the bin.

As for toilets with brown or green build-up in them [off-topic shudder], there is just no fucking need. Ditto the orange bacteria that collects on shower tiles if they're not cleaned often enough I had to deal with both of those, and worse, when our last tenants left. I fucking hate scummy bathrooms <vom>

elizaregina Mon 14-Jan-13 23:39:57

ooh but ineed - a cloth ? with no grip or friction> how does that clean? you need to scrub the loo.

Primafacie Mon 14-Jan-13 23:49:48

I had to buy bog roll holders last year, does anyone know why they are so expensive? I swear we could have bought a microwave for the same price, and we were not looking for anything posh, it was all bog standard stuff (HA!). £59 for a bit of metal?

<tries to go off on bathroom tangent. Fails miserably. Goes to bed.>

wiltingfast Mon 14-Jan-13 23:50:01

Hate the damn things but believe them to be a necessary evil. Besides no way am I sticking my hand down the loo except in cases of dire emergency. Have 2dcs but I don't let them play in the bathroom so it's never been an issue. They are beyond vile tho. After reading this thread I might take to buying cheapy ones that I can replace more often. (No way am I going to start cleaning the tb! Yuck!)

wiltingfast Mon 14-Jan-13 23:51:57

Then again, maybe not 'cause at least the ones I have are really well sealed up (ikea), actually quite hard to open them. Probably child proof in fact!

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 14-Jan-13 23:52:44

For those looking for cheapy bog brushes, Asda SmartPrice is your friend, @ 53p

elizaregina Mon 14-Jan-13 23:53:15

i am sure i remember alex polizzi on hotel inspector on her hands and knees showing some usless hotellier how to scrub out a vile tb. i think she is a really pretty and elegant lady...i really admired her for doing that.

elizaregina Mon 14-Jan-13 23:53:47

or maybe it wasnt her and it was a double?

DeepRedBetty Mon 14-Jan-13 23:58:25

Primafacie no-one has to buy bogroll holders, especially ones that cost £59. All the bog bits - spare rolls, sanitary protection, spare soap, spare hand towel, spare Bloo (hardwater area) - goes in a basket, by the bog. Easy to reach in case of emergency, easy to move when cleaning. And made of a nice shiny sort of willow, so easy to clean once in a blue moon when I get round to it

EverybodyisdeadDave Tue 15-Jan-13 00:01:45

I have a loo brush.

It has yet to revolt and form an uprising to take over as Leader of the household. Must be one of those non evil type one, an apparent rare breed.

If I use it, I just whack a load more bleach one it and clean it in the flushing water of a cleaned toilet.

ladymariner Tue 15-Jan-13 00:43:12

I have a loo brush, in fact I have two.....bleached, ready to use, haven't attacked anyone yet.

I also prefer people to take their shoes off if they come into the front room as I have a beige carpet. I don't ask them to but most people do, we ALWAYS take ours off when we go to other peoples houses. I think is rude not to. If only our guests from the weekend thought the same I wouldn't have had to spend ages cleaning the fucking mud stains off my carpet tonight from his bastard trainers..... angry

HelenLynn Tue 15-Jan-13 01:27:33

INeedThatForkOff I'm pretty certain the orange hard-water stains aren't bacterial; they don't grow in the least like bacterial colonies, they look very different. I think they are to do with minerals in the water, probably some of the same ones that make it hard in the first place.

I mention this out of pedantry rather than as an objection to your general observations about orangey bits. Although since they're no more animate than the grout underneath I personally feel somewhat the same way towards them as I do towards dust, viz. largely indifferent.

recall Tue 15-Jan-13 01:31:44

YANBU , toilet brushes are just wrong

I have one I replace it every so often. None of the kids have touched it, no one got sick from it.
What I want to know if what the hell you are feeding the family that you need to scrub poo stains? Nasty! If there's poo we re flush and it's gone. To clean I add bleach scrub about with the brush and viola all done, no poo encrusted brushes here. and they have been dipped in bleach so that cuts down on the germs.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 02:52:23

I'm pretty certain the orange hard-water stains aren't bacterial; they don't grow in the least like bacterial colonies, they look very different. I think they are to do with minerals in the water, probably some of the same ones that make it hard in the first place.

Look up serratia marcacens bathroom. It comes off with bleach and a bloody good scrub, and had never formed in the four years we lived in the house that our tenants took 18 months to grime up. Same with the green toilet bowl, which is why I think, hard water or not, if it builds up I doubt it's cleaned regularly enough.

Cloth vs scourer ... Hmm, I tend to think it's fine, but that's because everyone is responsible for cleaning their own skids as and when, and the loo is cleaned often enough for there not to be any ... erm ... matter in it. Maybe I'll switch though.

Oh and I'll telll you what else I've noticed having moved a few times in my adult life - no fucker ever scrubs under the rim. Eugh. It mings to hell when you have to do it after first moving in, but if it's done regularly the cloth comes out clean. A squirt of bleach is Not. E. Nough. Same with the overspill on the handbasin. Scrubbed enough black ones to know that people just don't bother.

I'm not a cleaning obsessive. Joking aside, I'm not. I just like my shower screen buffed.

MidnightMasquerader Tue 15-Jan-13 03:50:17

Has anyone mentioned poo vapours yet?

OP, just get a long drop, and then you won't have to worry about cleaning it at all.

I would recommend a lid for it though, if you've toddlers about.

Softlysoftly Tue 15-Jan-13 04:35:45

What is the orange residue then? Never seen it before I moved here have been fretting about it. It's stained the bottom of my steriliser and yes I I need to scrub it off loo/shower etc.

<<learns something new on MN every day>>

Fairylea Tue 15-Jan-13 06:08:12

Why why why are people cleaning toilet brushes ?!!!

Just buy a new one every so often ! Tesco value ones are so cheap !!

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 07:29:33

Have a look at this softlysoftly. I only looked it up myself after cleaning up after our grubby tenants while pregnant.

PessimisticMissPiggy Tue 15-Jan-13 07:38:39

Laughing at the brush being used as a back scrubber!

I rather liked the Dutch toilets with the poo shelf so you can examine what you've done. Easy to wipe away any skids too!

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 07:58:32


valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 08:24:38

Even if you smeared yourself in poo you wouldn't automatically get sick.

We are in a hard water area - we need a brush.

It's not like it is used for anything else, is it? hmm

Tesco ones are beyond cheap and we replace every month.

When ds was small I kept him out of the loo, problem solved.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 08:25:38

We have a loo like that Dutch one, I LOATHE it and one of the reasons we need a brush!

seeker Tue 15-Jan-13 09:02:39

Oh, God- the poo shelf! I had forgotten! Everything else about living in the Netherlands (maybe the clue is in the name!) was lovely, but the poo shelf........

MsVestibule Tue 15-Jan-13 11:26:12

I think my possibly irrational hatred of toilet brushes comes from when I was about 8 and my sister was 9. I caught her swirling it around the bath to make our bubbles bubblier angry. I then had to get in that bath, vile.

I don't have one but put bleach down every now and then and occasionally give them a really good scrub with an old kitchen scrubber, a la Alex Polizzi. It then goes in the bin and the rubber gloves washed well. And we have a 'no shoes in the house policy' but that's because of dirt, not germs. The rest of my house is pretty dusty and untidy!

EuroShagmore Tue 15-Jan-13 11:35:34

We have 4 - 4 loos, 4 brushes. They don't get used often but are occasionally necessary.

yomellamoHelly Tue 15-Jan-13 11:49:39

I got rid of ours when we discovered ds "painting" with it. (Was the weekend.) Dh and I both disgusted and prompted me to spend a lot of time cleaning the bathroom and kitchen.

Anyone know what happens to the disposable brushes? Do they biodegrade? Or are they likely to wash up on a beach somewhere and get either investigated by toddlers there/stuck in the gut of an animal or just cause disease/pollution?

AmberSocks Tue 15-Jan-13 12:05:47

i just use bleach too,seems to do the job,we dont seem to be messy enough to even need a brush.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 12:06:40

I would be very surprised it they are bio degradable.

seeker Tue 15-Jan-13 12:14:48

I am absolutely sure they are not biodegradable- and even if they are, it will take years for them to degrade.

And all this bleach going into the system- honestly, does nobody think for a second of the impact on the environment?

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:20:01

This is why reading Jilly Cooper's Class as an impressionable teen was such a mistake.

I can't read MNers having fits of vapours about bog brushes and germs without thinking that you are all like Jen Teale, and are the type of women to carry tampons in a little blue box and make rustling noises in a public toilet cubicle so people can't 'hear things'.

I am fucked if I am putting my hand down a bowl and scrubbing someone else's solidified shit off. They can use a loo brush. Which costs a few quid so can be replaced every few months.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:22:42

I don't care what Alex Polizzi (hotelier, so has chambermaids paid to put their hands down the pan) or those Kim and Aggie types (cleaning obsessives so don't count) do - in real life, if someone goes to the loo and leaves a stain I want there to be a brush there so they can clean it there and then. Not leave it for me to scrub.

Bleach wouldn't get rid of shit smears by itself anyway, surely.

MaryPoppinsBag Tue 15-Jan-13 12:29:58

I have one but hardly ever use it.
I hid it in the bathroom cupboard, after my friend told me about her niece drinking the liquid out of the toilet brush holder when she was at her Nan's house. It came out of both ends a few hours later!

I use toilet roll to wipe skids away. And throw away wipe (not Eco friendly I know).

seeker Tue 15-Jan-13 12:32:13

Getorf- remember Rupert being furious because he said what's her name was poisoning his dogs by putting blue stuff in the cistern?

seeker Tue 15-Jan-13 12:33:37

And yes- I can't get my head round sharing a house with somebody who thought it was somebody else's job to clean the loo after them!

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:35:07

Yes grin. He also ripped all the net curtains shock his american wife put up in the downstairs bedrooms.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 12:37:17

I am fucked if I am putting my hand down a bowl and scrubbing someone else's solidified shit off.

It always really surprises me when I go to other people's houses and there is solidified shit in the loo. And frankly there usually is. It's vile. Here, whoever does it wipes it away immediately.

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 12:37:24

ok a genuine question for all loo brush haiters - so you use a cloth and gloves or an old kitchen scrubber. But..what does the rest of the family do in the mean time? In case they leave marks that really need scrubbing, just leave them there for you to clean?

What about guests, I would be mortified to leave marks in someone else's toilet when visiting, are you ok with it or do you expect the guest to stick their hand in the toilet to scrub the marks with toilet paper?

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:38:20

Can you imagine going to the loo, looking down and seeing how disgusting it looked, and then walk off thinking 'muggins will clean it' and then expecting said muggins to want to have sex with you later.

I would never behave like that, I would be too bloody ashamed to expect someone else to clean up after me.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:40:47

Anyway I love threads like this.

The MN judgement of the most innocent looking household implements. I remember similar threads about butter dishes, tea towels, j cloths and bathmats.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 12:46:03

Hazlenut, here, we wipe away with toilet paper then flush between cleans. No skids in my pan.

Theicingontop Tue 15-Jan-13 12:48:03

Got to love a good butter dish.

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 12:48:30

How do you clean shit marks out of the toilet with toilet paper?

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 12:49:16

What's the anti-butter-dish argument? And what is the more desirable alternative?

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 12:52:18

Well if they're fresh they just come off confused Leaving them to solidify is rancid.

Theicingontop Tue 15-Jan-13 12:53:41

Cold unspreadable butter, apparently! And holey toast.

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 12:53:54

I still don't understand. What are the mechanics of using toilet paper to remove skidmarks? What's the actual method?

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:54:13

The row was butter in the fridge or in the cupboard.

What about shit smears below the water line?

Oh fgs I cannot believe what I am typing. grin

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 12:55:10

I have a wooden butter dish. I can only imagine the retching/heaving/shuddering/dismay it would invoke smile

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 12:55:36

Only on MN is it more acceptable to stick your hand down the loo to wipe skids than use a loo brush which is never used for anything else! grin

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 12:55:43

PMSL Getorf that's what I wanted to ask and I just couldn't.

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 12:56:33

And putting your hand in the toilet bowl to scrub shit (especially under water line, so paper does not offer any barrier), without gloves, is more hygienic and less ewwww than using a brush?

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 12:57:13

crosspost with valium - only on MN indeed.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:57:44

Wooden? shock


Valium that is why the OP's husband wants a loo brish in the house, because he quite simply doesn't want to shove his hand down the pan and scrub when there is a perfectly adequate product already available to do the job at arms length.

Hobbitation Tue 15-Jan-13 12:58:05

I don't know how you could get skid marks off without a loo brush. It just embarrasses any guests not to have one. I used to have one of those where you throw away the end but I found it less effective and more disgusting replacing the "brush" at the end.

Loo brush plus Harpic Power Plus is required to keep down limescale.

Theicingontop Tue 15-Jan-13 12:59:01

Wooden butter dish? I'm intrigued. Can you microwave it?

The anti-loo brush advocate in my life is my OH, who never cleans the toilet so therefore has a very informed view, obvs. I think it's lovely how we can all be so impassioned about such important topics though.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 12:59:08

And re babies drinking - shut the door. Or baby gates. Just keep the baby away from the irresistible allure of the shitty water.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 12:59:59

What's wrong with a butter dish?

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 13:02:22

I think it's lovely how we can all be so impassioned about such important topics though.
Ahahahahah! I know right?!

I have no idea if the wooden butter dish can be microwaved - I see no reason why not, but I've never tried, I just scrub it with hot water, Fairy liquid and a metal scourer. When I can be bothered smile

princesschick Tue 15-Jan-13 13:03:55

Eh? Completely baffled confused - disposable toilet brushes? Special flushable wipes? No toilet brush? Use a cloth with gloved hands? Replacing toilet brushes weekly? Have I stepped into OCD Anon? Who knew there are households with no loo brush? Surely a bleached brush and cleaning the holder when necessary is fine? If not, I'm well, to be honest this whole thread has left me speechless and reviewing my horrid germy ways...

..and to think people used to throw their business out the window... Gardyloo! grin

p.s. can I ask the cloth people with gloves where they store their gloves after scrubbing the loo with gloved hands? I think poo gloves in a cupboard is much more gross than a bleached brush next to the loo. Or do you folk throw your gloves away after every clean as well? confused

p.p.s. if you are worried about toothbrushes in your bathroom, you need a UV tooth brush sanitiser. My mum is very fussy about germs and cleaning (she still has loo brushes in all bathrooms though). We all got issued with these

Still mega confused confused

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 13:04:25

Don't you people wash your hands?


Do a poo
Check for skidmarks
Flush again if it's a big job
Take a few sheets of toilet roll and give the bowl a quick wipe (no need for contact <shudder>)
Wash hands thoroughly
Use a Dettol wipe to wipe the handle / button.

Cannot believe I've just written genuine instructions on how to polish a turd.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 13:04:30

If wooden butter dishes are anything like chopping boards then wood is mean to be more hygienic iirc.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 13:04:40


valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 13:08:21

What if your cistern takes ages to fill? That method wouldn't work.

I don't want to use Dettol wipes etc when a perfectly good loo brush will do the trick.

I'd be washing my hands AFTER using the Dettol wipe grin

Do a poo
Squirt of bleach and a scrub with a brush, flush again holding the brush in the water so you don't flick bleach everywhere.
Wash hand thoroughly

cantspel Tue 15-Jan-13 13:08:46

You wipe the loo button with a dettol wipe everytime you do a poo?

wow how much poo do you get on your hands when wiping your bum that you need to anti bac a little button?

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 13:15:54

No I don't personally. I put that little embellishment in to appease the ones who can't bear the thought of putting a hand in the bog.

My cistern fills up nice and quickly. It's a cheapo but efficient toilet from Wickes if yer interested.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 13:16:54

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha as I read that about the wipes I was thinking 'I BET Ineed doesn't do that!' grin

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:17:20

Haha at dettol wipe.

And the thread takes a completely new direction.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 13:18:05

The thing about the cistern though, wouldn't you just hang around for it to fill up anyway, rather than just leave your minging skids or the floaty bits that a bog brush leaves? I'd be mortified to leave a loo in that state.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:19:04

lol at embellishment grin

But what do the loo brush haters do when confronted with a (fresh/aged) skidmark under the water line, which would defeat the loo roll wipe?


valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 13:19:50

My bog brush is as clean as a whistle - gets replaced every month and bleached as my earlier post describes in detail grin

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:20:17

yes, you would just wait for the cistern to fill up, surely.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:21:04

I bleach the loo once a week, overnight, and shove the loo brush in the pan overnight in the bleachy water.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 13:22:08

I wouldn't be cleaning a loo in that state, as it wouldn't be mine.

I lie. When I had to clean the tenants' shit build-up, I used Harpic, a scourer and rubber gloved which I then had to chuck. It took quite a few goes, I can tell you.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 13:23:17

But what do the loo brush haters do when confronted with a (fresh/aged) skidmark under the water line, which would defeat the loo roll wipe?

I bet they get their Marigolds out!

Ffs I need to go and do something constructive! grin

DoodlesNoodles Tue 15-Jan-13 13:24:11

No loo brushes in my house, they are disgusting.

I'd rather don a pair of disposal gloves and, err, deal with any problems.

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 13:26:32

Yes MUCH better to put your hands down the loo shock

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:26:34

Yes, but doodles, what if someone else in your house does a shit and wants to clear it up.

What do they do? Leave it for you?

And then you scrub someone else's shit.

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 13:27:11

I am so fascinated by people who regard putting their hands under the water in the toilet as less grim than owning a toilet brush.

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 13:28:09

Doodles, are your guests expected to bring their own gloves or do you have a box in the bathroom?

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:28:19

I use marigolds when washing the dishes, the are not infallible, they always end up with a hole in the finger which lets the water in.

Which is Ok if it is dish water, less exciting I would imagine when your hand is submerged in shitty water.

I am not getting on my hand and knees scrubbing shit. I am not a Victorian chambermaid.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:29:10

Or, does your husband say 'I have done a great big skidmark, dear' and you scamper upstairs to scrub it away.

seeker Tue 15-Jan-13 13:30:15

Getorf- remember, nobody but the immediate family is ever allowed to poo in any of these loos. Anyone crass enough to do so would not be invited again!

hopkinette Tue 15-Jan-13 13:30:48

Yeah Valium that's what I feel too wrt wooden chopping boards etc. I much prefer wooden chopping boards - glass ones set my teeth on edge and I think those plastic ones are horrible. My gran used to have some teak dinner plates that my grandfather made and they were great.

permaquandry Tue 15-Jan-13 13:32:19

Domestos extended germ kill takes almost every scrap of dirt off. If its a really persistent mark (ewww) domestos grot buster, it is magic in a bottle.

Nobody touches or even goes near the pan anyway, surely more likely to pick up germs from the brush flicking bits up and out?

Also, ALWAYS, shut lid before flushing.

seeker Tue 15-Jan-13 13:32:26

And obviously the properly surrendered wife would be happy to deal with any .....marks. Husband is too tired from a long day in Accounts to be bothered with such things.

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:33:46

Yes seeker, the owner of the house would immediately have SUSPICIONS if the loo user is longer than 3 minutes.

I remember a thread where someone was outraged that a builder (workman, natch) used her loo to have a crap in. OUTRAGE.

Thingiebob Tue 15-Jan-13 13:36:02

The ProvincialLady I think I almost went into early labour laughing at your responses.

First giggle I have had all day.

Jins Tue 15-Jan-13 13:36:38

People put their hands in the toilet to scrub off shit?!?


cantspel Tue 15-Jan-13 13:37:41

I want to know what people are eating that makes their fresh shit such a bio hazard

Thingiebob Tue 15-Jan-13 13:40:33

I am aware there are methods for bleaching and cleaning toilet brushes and they are cheap to replace, but it's not a method I use.

I'm a disposable gloves, squirty bleach type person then a thorough handwash. My DH cleans up his own skids. I shout at him until he does.

We have four loos and quite a few regular guests. Potential for lots of skids.

TheProvincialLady Tue 15-Jan-13 13:51:08

<Guffaw>> at regular guests.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 13:51:35

Why the assumption that if you don't own a toilet brush, you scrub your husband's shit? hmm

Just to reiterate, there's no scrubbing involved here as poo is always wiped away immediately. A regular wash down with bleach and it's perfectly clean.

Going back to the rim issue, how do those of you who won't put your hands in clean there? Please don't tell me it's just a squirt of bleach!

GetOrf Tue 15-Jan-13 13:54:16

Provincial I loved your 'LMC' accusation. grin

sittinginthesun Tue 15-Jan-13 13:57:51

Okay, now I have seen it all - 223 posts on loo brushes...

<wanders off to give the downstairs loo a good scrub, with my ancient, but regularly bleached loo brush, whilst wondering whether I am losing Mumsnet virtual house points...>

HazeltheMcWitch Tue 15-Jan-13 14:08:21

I am confused about the glove point. Disposable gloves only come up to just past hand-point, ie not covering the wrist. You could not put that into the loo without the bio-hazardous water encroaching into glove.

The only alternative is surely the bathroom Marigold rubber glove (which I use for washing up as any other lets in loads of water) - but these aren't disposable.

FergusSingsTheBlues Tue 15-Jan-13 14:19:33

I think bog brushes are ace. How else can you keep the bowl clean? And if youre letting them become shit encrusted, yer not cleaning them properly! I keep mine in bleach solution and rinse it thoroughly through a couple of flushes. We run bleach around rim after every turd as well. My bog sparkles!!!

Thingiebob Tue 15-Jan-13 14:23:45

I tend to find most skids are above the water line to be honest. Anything under neath with a bit of bleach and water disappears.

Even if I did get 'biohazardous water' on me. I would wash my hands thoroughly afterwards.

WeatherWitch Tue 15-Jan-13 14:25:07

I love flushable toilet duck brushes and nuclear-strength bleach, but they're just not compatible with septic tanks. Every time I use my (minging) toilet brush I consider doing something about it, and every time fail to do so because it's too minging to remove from the loo area. Maybe one day I'll get over it and chuck it out of the window. I'm such a slatternly housewife sad

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 14:34:52

weather take two carrier bags one inside each other to stop drips, and bung the brush in there and bin it.

WeatherWitch Tue 15-Jan-13 14:53:03

Right, am motivated. This weekend, the minging toilet brush will be disposed of. Thank you!

valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 16:19:16


WhatchuTalkinBoutPhyllis Tue 15-Jan-13 16:29:40

ok. If your about to eat anything, DO NOT READ THIS!!!!!

Someone I know has a toilet brush she has had for about three years. She scrubs the toilet out once a week plus any encrusted shit she finds.

She then rinses the lumps of shite out in the fucking sink, right next to the toothbrushes


valiumredhead Tue 15-Jan-13 16:31:29

I knew a cleaner that used to wipe down the loos and then wipes the rest of the bathroom. Blerk!

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 16:33:04

Have we mentioned the husband yet who put the brush in the dishwasher?

Eskino Tue 15-Jan-13 16:35:47

Okay, I'm used to this because ds has sticky poo and is in reusable nappies that I have to sort of flick the poo off then slosh about in the water....but what's wrong with getting your hand down here with a scourer and cleaning it that way?

I hate toilet brushes too and at least I can chuck the scourer in the bin and wash my hands with anti bac soap.

amck5700 Tue 15-Jan-13 16:36:32

I put bleach down, leave it a bit, brush it with my loo brush, flush the toilet over the loobrush, thereby rinsing it, and then spray it while in the bowl but not the water with some antibac then put it in the holder. the holder get emptied out later and little breach/antibac put in. I have 3 loos and 3 males in the house. I couldn't live without loo brushes. None of the kids touched them when little, it's not that hard to keep the door shut and by the time they are old enough to open it, they are old enough to know better and understand that the mustn't touch.

I buy cheap ones from Ikea/Tesco and replace them every few months.

No big deal.

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Tue 15-Jan-13 17:12:40

Ok. I am back. Thank you for your extensive help grin
We have compromised, meaning I have got my own way. The handle that grips the disposable 'brush' is in place by the toilet with the brush clipped on and ready to be used. So anyone, even a guest can use it if needed and then simply attach a new 'brush' after use and replace by the loo. I will keep the packet of brush heads in the toilet.
That story about the little girl drinking it make my whole body tense in revulsion!

MidnightMasquerader Tue 15-Jan-13 17:35:45

How do people dispose of their old loo brushes? Do they just throw them in the recycling bin with other plastics?

<thanks whichever deity is in charge today that, once again, I am not a bin man>

Imagine one of those suckers spiralling loose, mid bin-empty, and twanging you on the head.

LetsKateWin Tue 15-Jan-13 17:37:08

This thread has been so funny.

I have a loo brush with no visible pop on that gets cleaned with bleach, just like your loo, and rinsed in the flush. DD has never touched it and there is no coloured water in the holder.

No way I'm sticking my hand on the loo. I clean under the rim with the brush.

LetsKateWin Tue 15-Jan-13 17:38:10

Auto correct won't let me type p o o

MrsMushroom Tue 15-Jan-13 17:42:00

Those of you with poo clinging to the sides of your toilet bowl clearly need to look at your diets. Good poos are firm and non you won't find them leaving evidence.

DoodlesNoodles Tue 15-Jan-13 17:43:25

I have found some loo's are more susceptible than others to getting dirty (blush YOU know what I mean!) Perhaps someone should do a study on it. Then toilet manufacturers could include a 'skid' rating when the sell their WC's hmm

MidnightMasquerader Tue 15-Jan-13 17:43:52

Is that you, Gillian?

MrsMushroom Tue 15-Jan-13 17:54:48

It's simple...if you do a crap and it leaves a skiddy, take a wad of bog roll and WIPE it.

Then flush the loo and wash hands.

Mintyy Tue 15-Jan-13 18:01:41

I cannot stand the toilet brush prissiness on Mumsnet. You all sound like a group of utter ninnies.

MrsMushroom Tue 15-Jan-13 18:06:45

But who would want a poo smeared brush standing in a pool of poo water in their home??

Bogeyface Tue 15-Jan-13 18:08:11

Mrs speaking purely for myself but I can assure you that mine is sparkling white and clean, thanks to its regular bleaching. No one in their right mind would wipe poo with it and put it back unwashed!

cantspel Tue 15-Jan-13 18:10:08

You wash it after you use it hence no poo crust left on the brush.

MrsMushroom Tue 15-Jan-13 18:24:38

Why wash it and keep it though? You can never, ever eliminate ALL the poo. WHy not just wipe and chuck? Seriously...if poo is so hardcore that it needs a scrubbing brush, then the diet needs looking at.

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 18:43:35

No I still don't get how it's more hygienic to stick your hand in the bowl and wipe the shit (especially below the water line, or generally in toilet bowl that has just been flushed and therefore soaks through the toilet paper, so effectively you're wiping the skids with your hand) as compared to using a special tool made for the purpose?

Bogeyface Tue 15-Jan-13 18:46:33

And if poo is so abhorrent that polluting the environment with "disposable" cleaning cloths is preferable then attitude needs looking at!

Abra1d Tue 15-Jan-13 18:49:09

I hate those disposable brushes. They shouldn't be flushed down the loo. I bet the water companies hate them, too.

Some poor sod will probably find they're swimming with them in the sea. Just use a normal brush and stick some bleach in the brush holder. Or put bleach in the loo when you've finished cleaning and rest the brush in there for an hour to clean. Easy.

MrsDeVere Tue 15-Jan-13 18:52:31

They don't work!

I had to buy one when they first came out <sucker for a cleaning prod.>
They are rubbish.

I know better now anyhow and never flush even 'flushable'wipes.

Bleach at night, I hardly ever use my toilet brush anyway and it sits in a little pool of bleach.

DUST is the real enemy <bleugh>

Abra1d Tue 15-Jan-13 18:56:04

Dust is indeed the enemy and it is cunning and ruthless and persistent. I don't understand how there can be so much mud and so much dust simultaneously. If I am brushing mud off the carpets and walls it seems harsh to be dusting so much as well. Perhaps my family is just ueber-grubby.

elizaregina Tue 15-Jan-13 18:58:49

I have never needed to put hands below water line to get rid of skids.

DH however has had to put WHOLE ARM into loo, to bend - to un block blockage shock.

Pour various chemicals round loo bowl. Hold breath - disposable opaque plastic glove on hand - on hand - well past wrist - with scrubber - wipe bowl.

No water go nears hand. Dispose of glove AND scrubber ( into nappy sack, into bin). Close lid and flush.

Bleach for under water marks.

elizaregina Tue 15-Jan-13 19:00:54

By the way those that are loo brush users - how do you stop the drips when you bring it soaking out of the loo? It would in my opinion have to be put into a recepticle in the loo to catch excess water before you took it out.
Otherwise you are dripping and spraying even more loo water round.

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 19:03:11

nobody has answered yet if you provide disposable shit-wiping gloves for your guests as well or are they expected to carry their own? Or leave the marks for you to clean?

SkaterGrrrrl Tue 15-Jan-13 19:04:56

I have just ordered this cleaning duck witchery from Amazon.

amck5700 Tue 15-Jan-13 19:05:22

elizaregina - I lift up the container and put the brush in it while over the loo.

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Tue 15-Jan-13 19:10:19
Nooneelseisallowedafergus Tue 15-Jan-13 19:13:51

Types 4 and 5 are considered normal.
Type 4 Normal for someone pooing once daily
Type 5 normal for someone Pooing two / three times daily and is the best one!

gobbin Tue 15-Jan-13 19:15:14

Bog brushes were banned years ago here.

Sparkling loos achieved by quick spray around the whole thing with Dettol multisurface cleaner + loo roll plus a good shot of bleach round the rim.

Now, finding the best bog roll for the job that doesn't break up into little pieces nor is so thick it blocks the loo was a challenge!

Current favourites are Cushelle (best), Nouvelle or one of the better Aldi ones.

gobbin Tue 15-Jan-13 19:18:15

p.s. and I have Crohns so am the queen of shit-splat...I would die rather than have an unclean toilet for someone to use after me so I had to find a quick, non-minging way to clean them as I often have to do it multiple times a day.

gobbin Tue 15-Jan-13 19:20:26

As for poo above the water line...spray with dettol, put a piece of loo roll over it, a drop of bleach and leave for half an hr. flush - look no poo and you didn't have to get yer hand in!

I really am an expert lol! Need anymother tips?!

gobbin Tue 15-Jan-13 19:20:50

Any >other<

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Tue 15-Jan-13 19:21:29

So healthy poos leave skids as hard / clean poos are a sign of Impacted stools.
To obtain a type 2 your stools would have been in your colon for several weeks rather than the normal 72 hours!

elizaregina Tue 15-Jan-13 19:27:55

nobody has answered yet if you provide disposable shit-wiping gloves for your guests as well or are they expected to carry their own? Or leave the marks for you to clean?


Thingiebob Tue 15-Jan-13 19:53:15

I don't leave disposable gloves for guests. I just hope they don't leave a skid. I also think that they would be sufficiently sensible enough to grab a wad of loo roll and clean it up around the bowl. I also have cleaning spray to hand in many loos.

As for the below the waterline. Just leave it. I don't get freaked out about stuff like this. A pop of bleach and a flush it will go eventually.

The poo hysteria on MN has me in fits.

And Hazle the argument that cleaning up skids with loo roll is more hygienic than a brush is because a lot of the time loo brushes are not cleaned correctly and are vile.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 19:59:58

I'm unsociable and the only guests I have overnight are close family. They aren't bog brush users either but know, on pain of death, not to leave skidders in my toilet. Anyone popping around for an hour or so I'd expect to hold it a while I guess.

If we ever end up in a house big enough for overnight guests to be welcome, I guess I could put one out specifically for their visit, then throw the fucker away.

magimedi88 Tue 15-Jan-13 20:08:56

I haven't been on MN very long,but am seriously thinking about changing my name to bog brush!! grin

WhatchuTalkinBoutPhyllis Tue 15-Jan-13 20:15:06

There was a thread about this on nm a while back, one of the posters said when their son was a teenager he used to do gargantuan poo's that wouldn't go down with one flush so she used to have to don tea towel round her face and heavy duty rubber gloves armed with stick and break the fucker up for it to flush down!

My brother once did a poo that literally poked out the top of the water. Just stood there, upright, withstood the force of the flush and copious amounts of bleach for nine long hours. I can laugh about it now, but at the time i was angry

grin at hardcore poo

MidnightMasquerader Tue 15-Jan-13 20:30:10

"As for the below the waterline. Just leave it. I don't get freaked out about stuff like this."

But you are just one teeny, tiny person in a sea of humanity who would get freaked out, so it would seem.

Pus the idea of leaving a calling card is, for many, just unthinkable.

MidnightMasquerader Tue 15-Jan-13 20:31:18

Phyllis - that is one tenacious poo. grin

MrsMushroom Tue 15-Jan-13 20:58:20

Poos that don't leave skids are not ALL hard. My shit is perfect.

DiamondDoris Tue 15-Jan-13 21:11:43

There are pros and cons to having a toilet brush. I personally don't have one - I pour bleach and hot water around the bowl and use a coarse sponge thing round the bowl with jif - wearing gloves of course, which are my "toilet gloves". I then put the sponge in a freezer bag and dispose of straight away. It's a faff but I can't have a toilet brush around because of my son - he is SN and I'd fear he'd use it as a hairbrush <boak> If your DH insists on having a toilet brush, maybe he should clean the toilet (apologies if he does do this).

cantspel Tue 15-Jan-13 21:15:40

In the name of research i have just done a poo and made sure i left a skiddy. Nice little bum wiggle to ensure poo hit the porcelain above and below the waterline.

I ignored my friendly loo brush sitting in the corner waiting to dive in and save me from said skiddy and instead gave it a blast of parazone. One hour later and kiddy is remained firmly attached to my loo bowl. A few seconds later and it is now gone as trust loo brush and cleaned said skiddy away and is now reflecting in glory back in its holder poo free and ready for the its next battle against poo streaks.

This experiment was done under controlled conditions and no children or animals were harmed.

Oh and yes i do have far too much free time on my hands (but no poo)

HazleNutt Tue 15-Jan-13 21:27:16

so guests better not leave any marks, or else..but on the other hand are not provided with anything to clean the marks up with - therefore yes, are expected to stick the hands in the bowl and scrub the mark with the negligible protection that a damp toilet paper offers.

I think I'll start carrying my own disposable gloves, just in case.

Unfortunatlyanxious Tue 15-Jan-13 21:40:14

I have germ phobia, I do however have a loo brush. No one wants their dc sucking on a loo brush . Your child is probably more in danger if left alone in a bathroom at such a young age that they do not know to not touch the loo brush. From stuff such as scalding water or getting stuck on the loo, to eating soap.

Putting the disposable bit of your toilet duck thing in seems more unhygienic to me.

elizaregina Tue 15-Jan-13 21:55:10

" "toilet gloves"." - disposable?

Hazle - had a good think after your do you leave gloves/equipment out comment...

TBH it had never ever occured to me that a guest may want to use my loo brush for thier own marks -infact I only ever thought they were for blockages!

Now the idea is in my mind, I would never ever ever want - a " germ denier" taking hold of a loo brush - scrubbing thier shit with it - and dripping water and crap all the way back to the loo brush holder.

Also I have never noticed any evidence left though after a guest has used the loo.

Bogeyface Tue 15-Jan-13 21:56:55

What about double wipers?

Wipe, hmm, nope not clean enough. Use the SAME HAND to back for more paper and thereby possibly infect your whole loo roll with their "germs".

Thingiebob Tue 15-Jan-13 22:18:26

Bogeyface - Double wipers eh? Never thought of that. Something else for the poo hysterics to freak out about.

Hazle - If you, god forbid, are unlucky enough to touch your own poo, then a scrub with soap and water will always wash it off!

So really what everyone is saying is that a loo brush is needed for visitors?

INeedThatForkOff Tue 15-Jan-13 22:28:23

Yep, Hazle, that's about the jist of it. And if you don't like it, don't shit in my toilet grin

Permanentlyexhausted Tue 15-Jan-13 23:08:14

Those flushing anything anything other than human excrement and toilet paper down the loo may eventually discover that a poo-infected loo brush is infinitely more preferable to the poo-infected water seeping into their houses from their blocked drains.

seeker Wed 16-Jan-13 06:20:57

I'm fascinated that the couple of us who've said "but what about the environment ?" have been studiously ignored.......

Bogeyface Wed 16-Jan-13 09:02:29

I noticed that too Seeker hmm

valiumredhead Wed 16-Jan-13 09:05:17

I bet all the disposable wipes/toilet duck thing users are the ones who tut at me for using my tumble drier and washing machine every day wink

CaptChaos Wed 16-Jan-13 10:50:27

Up until recently we had a loo with a poo shelf, along with water so hard you had to chip it out of the taps.

I used a loo brush along with WCEnte and it cleaned it up a treat. I then put a little squirt of the loo cleaner in the water receptacle. We all survived! Even my mindees did.

Hobbitation Wed 16-Jan-13 14:10:44

Type 5 2/3 times a day for me. With skids! I used to suffer with IBS though and it could be anything from 1-7.

I use disposable wipes but only for my bottom (that are meant to be flushed).

GreenShadow Wed 16-Jan-13 14:27:35

So much depends on the design of the loo.

We recently had a new bathroom and the WC is slightly odd instead of poo falling straight down into the water, it tends to land on the back of the bowl, just above water level (is that what you mean by a poo shelf CaptChaos?). REally annoying and seems such a basic design fault (wasn't a particularly cheap loo either). I never remember to sit forward when on it and would guess no one else does, judging by the daily mess....

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Wed 16-Jan-13 14:45:30

My toddler does type 5s. Although didn't know about the classification until yesterday.
Another thing to be smug about.....'my child does type 5 poos don't you know, a sign of an extremely high functioning bowel, if there was a grammar school for bowel movements each and every one of his poos would get a place'.

Permanentlyexhausted Wed 16-Jan-13 23:09:50

Hobbitation I use disposable wipes but only for my bottom (that are meant to be flushed).

Well, they say they are flushable but if you asked a drain clearing expert I think you'll find they have a different opinion.

They'll go as far down your drains as they can until they get caught on something. Then, because they don't disintegrate like toilet paper does, they just stay there. Then the next 'flushable' wipe comes along ... and so on, until the waste water can no longer seep past the blockage and flows back the way it came.

Don't say you weren't warned!!

Nooneelseisallowedafergus Sun 20-Jan-13 19:03:07

Quick update.
I am still using the disposable loo brush system, and loo wipes for that matter, but I am putting them all in the bin after use, NOT flushing them anymore.
So if you have a blocked drain you don't have to look in my direction anymore!

CocktailQueen Tue 22-Jan-13 10:48:19

I'm fascinated that the couple of us who've said "but what about the environment ?" have been studiously ignored.......

I agree, Seeker! What's mroe important??!

coraltoes Tue 22-Jan-13 11:16:21

I banned all toilet use on this basis, adults are given nappies upon arrival and asked to dispose of them at home. No germs.

I've successfully wiped 'residue' from the toilet bowl with a piece of toilet tissue, whist wearing my rubber gloves (which are only used for toilet/bathroom cleaning, and washed (in handwash) between uses).

Anything else that goes down the toilet is either a bodily fluid/excretion, toilet paper or eco-friendly cleaning product. (I'm with the environment bods on this).

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