Newspaper taking photos of children at school then selling them to parents

(103 Posts)
Palinto Sat 12-Jan-13 08:43:03

When DS started school I ticked the box which said I didn't mind him having his photo taken, assuming this would be for school related things.

A term in and a photo of their first day at school is published in our cities newspaper, which we can then buy from them.... I felt a bit hmm about this but obviously didn't want to not buy a picture of my DS on his first day at school.. I was then charged £7 plus £2 postage for a rubbish quality tiny print.

It reminds me of being in Morocco and getting followed by guys with cameras who would then try to sell you the pictures they took, i.e. not entirely appropriate for an infant school. I wouldn't mind so much buying a photo from the actual school, but the newspaper?

AIBU to be annoyed at this?

Shesparkles Sat 12-Jan-13 08:45:08

YABU. You don't have to buy that photo. If it's anything like my local paper the price will have been clear from the outset

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 08:45:46

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Palinto Sat 12-Jan-13 08:47:20

I feel that my child is at school to learn, not to be herded into a photo in order to make money for the newspaper

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 08:49:48

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cazzybabs Sat 12-Jan-13 08:49:48

You had the option not the buy. Some parents want a professional photo and schools see it as chance to raise some money. You could tell the school you thought the quality wasn't great and see if they could get someone else on?

TandB Sat 12-Jan-13 08:50:52

What do you think he's going to learn on his first day of school? confused

Other than where the toilets are and to put his hand up when he wants to ask a question.

ubik Sat 12-Jan-13 08:52:02

I quite like seeing all the P1's in the newspaper. We just kept the paper, didn't bother with s print.

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 08:53:06

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Palinto Sat 12-Jan-13 08:53:48

It wasn't bought from the school, it was bought from the newspaper, I wouldn't have minded at all is it was money going to the school but feel a bit hmm about inviting outside businesses in to make money

shesariver Sat 12-Jan-13 08:55:41

I think you are over reacting a bit, not every second at school will be filled with education - you better get used to this or you will cause yourself major stress as the years go on. A few minutes for a photo is no big deal in the scheme of things really. Noone is forced to buy it, and you could just have kept the newspaper. I still have various newspaper cuttings of my DS1 whos 19 from his primary school years that I love to embarrass him with.

Palinto Sat 12-Jan-13 08:56:14

I suppose it also bothers me because we are having real financial problems at the moment, I may not mind so much if we weren't, I don't know.

halcyondays Sat 12-Jan-13 08:57:19

We just kept the paper too.
Most schools do this, lots of people like seeing the photos in the paper, it's nothing at all like being in Morocco. You will no doubt be able to buy a photo from the school itself later in the year.

Cabrinha Sat 12-Jan-13 08:58:11

I expect the school does make money - allow the newspaper to take photo, take a cut from sales.

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 08:58:14

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Palinto Sat 12-Jan-13 08:58:36

It was a bit like I felt I had to buy it (I know I didn't, but come on even the newspaper know it will pull a few heartstrings) but it was expensive (and rubbish) and I felt a bit cheated, then I felt a bit pissed off that they are trying to make money out of my son from me, while he is at school. It doesn't seem like much money to some people but to us it was expensive.

porridgewithalmondmilk Sat 12-Jan-13 09:00:58

I think that is a really unfair comment, lockets, I haven't seen anything in what the OP has written that states she doesn't see it as a "nice keepsake" but that the quality wasn't very good and she's having financial problems - both good reasons not to spend £9 on a photograph!

mellen Sat 12-Jan-13 09:01:27

Why not just keep the newspaper? Isn't that what most people do?

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 09:01:31

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lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 09:02:50

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FestiveWench Sat 12-Jan-13 09:03:04

Wouldn't have occurred to me to buy it.

It always seems to be people with money problems that feel they HAVE to buy stuff or they are somehow letting their children down. This makes me sad.

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 09:04:46

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porridgewithalmondmilk Sat 12-Jan-13 09:06:39

I took that as a general comment - yes, not every second at school is filled with learning (and I know, I am a teacher! grin) but on the other hand, there does seem an aspect of "now we have these children in our tender loving care, let's make money from them" which I dislike.

Official school photographs are obligatory and theatre visits are fun/educational so not quite the same thing really!

halcyondays Sat 12-Jan-13 09:08:25

What on earth are the paper going to do about it, given that op had already seen the pic,thought it was poor quality, but bought it anyway?

HollyBerryBush Sat 12-Jan-13 09:10:27

Our local paper has a purchases page - they print one photo with a news article then you can follow the link to the purchases page and buy it (and more that the photographer took)

I thought this was common practice with free papers? they have to make money to keep afloat.

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 09:10:40

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IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord Sat 12-Jan-13 09:15:17

This is very common but.....wait for it smug moment coming up......the photographer for our local paper lives on my street and very often passes a photo of DS on for free. grin

porridgewithalmondmilk Sat 12-Jan-13 09:19:04

You are braver than me, lockets wink reception ... too small!

VictorAndBarry Sat 12-Jan-13 09:19:26

Unless the quality of the photo print was genuinely poorer than the quality of newsprint - normally the reverse is true - I genuinely don't see what the problem is.

You were not co-erced by anyone other than you own conscience into buying.

If you got a duff print, demand a free reprint. As to its size, surely the newspaper told you what you were getting for your mney? Mine does, standard 9x6.

And if you think the paper's photo is pricey, wait till you see the official school photo package prices!

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 09:21:13

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RustyBear Sat 12-Jan-13 09:22:47

If your school is like the one I work at, they don't make any money at all from photos in the paper. We did get a copy for the school, but we had to ask permission to put it in our newsletter, and I'm not even sure it was free.

MsElisaDay Sat 12-Jan-13 09:23:10

YABU- It's nothing like being hounded in Morocco, don't be so ridiculous.
Newspapers in every town and city across the country do this every year. It's nothing to do with "tugging on the heartstrings" and IME few parents buy the shots, they just keep the paper.
Surely a dated local newspaper is a nice-and extremely cheap-memento of your DC starting school?

Also, the school will not take a cut of the profits and will probably not have "invited" the photographer in. Usually the paper will call round every primary school at the beginning of the year to see which ones want to take part. The schools know the parents would like to see their DCs in the paper, and the paper's sales get a small boost with all the proud parents and grandparents buying it.

You weren't forced to buy the picture and there will surely be several more opportunities to buy class photos with your child in.
Really can't see what the problem is here. If you feel obliged to buy every photo your DS is in, then.withdraw consent for him to be photographed. No hounding from street merchants then...

Floggingmolly Sat 12-Jan-13 09:25:26

He's your first, isn't he? All local papers do this, and the paper is a nice souvenir of your child's first day.
The newspaper does not do a hard sell of printed copies of the photo, but they're available to buy from the archives as are any other photos ever printed, solely at your discretion.
Wait till you see the price of the annual school photo if you're outraged at £7 grin. Have smelling salts at the ready!

FannyFifer Sat 12-Jan-13 09:25:40

Don't know anyone that actually buys the photo from the newspaper, most just keep the newspaper.

Suppose it's the same if u want a copy of any photo that is in the newspaper they would charge for it.

I have mine from my first day of school. grin

hoodoo12345 Sat 12-Jan-13 09:31:44

YABU, i have some lovely photos ordered from my newspaper for various activities my kids have done, you don't have to buy them, no one is twisting your arm.

RandallPinkFloyd Sat 12-Jan-13 09:36:10

Have you honestly never seen a local paper before op?

Every year since the dawn of time every local paper has done a first day of school edition.

I still have mine from almost 30 20 years ago.

Enfyshedd Sat 12-Jan-13 09:39:57

Try living in Wales then - you'll be forced tempted at least once a year for the whole of primary school due to the annual St David's Day photos which will have every year printed in the paper. Add to that the nursery/reception class photos and the Y6 leaving primary photos and I can't see why the price of the local paper goes up every year because they must be making a mint hmm

Think my DM used to just cut out the one from the paper and take it into work - was usually gone a few weeks later.

I thought the point of theses photos is that they are available to everyone for free or the price of a copy of the paper (50p for ours) but not great quality. So if money is an issue you can still have a photo. Those that can afford it can buy a copy and the quality should be better (at least it's on proper paper not newsprint). The school will probably also do a group one (ours does class ones in the summer term). This will also be expensive. At least with the newspaper one there is the cheap option of just keeping the paper. My DCs love being in the local paper and hoard all their cuttings in a box.

If the quality/size of the copy is poor then you should take it up with the newspaper, but I really think on the whole these are a great idea, I loved it the years my DCs started school looking through all the different schools photos and picking out all the pre-school friends (all went to different schools) and it is a cheap way of getting a copy for grandparents etc as well.

You may find that the teachers take lots of photos all year round of class activities, we were given a CD with hundreds of them on at the end of each DCs reception year.

nagynolonger Sat 12-Jan-13 09:58:34

Local papers have been doing this for years. You don't have to buy it. I only kept the paper. Mil bought pics of ours so we have those now. She bought the school photos too when we didn't.

I love it when the paper covers local sport that DS are involved in because we have some great action shots taken by them. I suppose they are expensive but when do we ever pay the cost price for anything?

YABU - should have kept the newspaper, you didn't have to buy it

i have never thought of it that way - i love seeing my DC in our local rag (think only a few parents ticked the box that we were happy with pics in local rag/school website so DC seem to be in every pic to do with school lol)

AlwaysHoldingOnToStarbug Sat 12-Jan-13 10:12:14

Yabu. It never even occurred to me to buy a copy from the paper. I kept the paper it was in and that was enough for me. I don't buy class photos anyway - why would I want photos of other peoples children? I did buy newspaper photos once when it was just Ds3 & 4 at playgroup. They were really nice good quality photos though, if a bit pricy.

Our papers have started doing year 6 leavers photos now, as well as prom photos from year 11. With 5 kids that would cost me a fortune, so I'll just keep the newspaper!

Palinto Sat 12-Jan-13 13:30:07

MsElisaDay - you clearly didn't understand the post, I didn't say anything about being hounded, but that people take your photo without you asking them to and then if you want a copy you pay for it. I feel this is a valid comparison.

I also resent my DS being used to sell their paper for free, then if I want a copy of the photo being charged a relatively high price for it.

Fakebook Sat 12-Jan-13 13:35:50

I don't understand your post. If you can afford it then don't bloody buy the picture! My Dd's first day at school pic was published in Octobers issue of our local newspaper and I just bought two newspapers rather than buy the actual photograph. Don't see what the problem is here?

Fakebook Sat 12-Jan-13 13:36:48

Why did you sign the consent form then? Tell the teachers you don't want his picture being published anywhere again. Weird.

SamSmalaidh Sat 12-Jan-13 13:41:02

Have you not noticed the first day at school photos in the local paper before?

By the way, they don't just do this for the school photos - if your photo ever appears in the local paper you can buy a copy from them.

RuleBritannia Sat 12-Jan-13 13:54:29

We didn't have newspaper vultures at the door when my DS started school. We just took our own photo of him on the doorstep in his school uniform with his giant schoolbag as he was about to leave home for the first time If you do this, there's no need for a newspaper photograph - unless you like to see his picture in the paper, of course. <hides newspaper collection>

Floggingmolly Sat 12-Jan-13 14:01:04

If you want a copy of any photo published by a newspaper - you pay for it. It's how it works. What's your difficulty with this??
And you can rest assured your dc's photo appearing in the local rag will not result in a flurry of sales to anyone other than yourself or his granny.
You'll be telling us he won't get out of bed for less than ten grand next...

MsElisaDay Sat 12-Jan-13 14:04:50

The Morocco nonsense you cite is not a valid comparison.
You signed a consent form allowing your DS's picture to be taken. His picture was then taken, with your consent, by the local paper, as happens at hundreds -thousands- of schools at this time of year. I fail to see what aspect of this is inappropriate. What did you expect the consent form meant?

You were put under absolutely no pressure by the newspaper to buy a hard copy of that photo. You could get a paper copy free of charge, or even scan it in and print it out if you so wanted.
Furthermore, the paper is not "using" your DS to sell copies- this makes no sense. Do you honestly think they care which children are in the shot?! If anything, they're doing you a favour by providing a fun and cheap memento of your DS starting school.

Palinto Sat 12-Jan-13 16:33:54

MsElisaDay - Ye sit is a valid comparison. I expected the consent form to mean pictures for the school website, pictures in school newsletters and pictures put up around the school. I did not expect photos of my child to be taken by outside businesses to look good in their paper and then been sold on for a relatively large mark up.

insancerre Sat 12-Jan-13 16:39:33

YABU
You didn't have to buy it.
You gave consent for photos.
The school will make a small profit on the photos.
School is not just about learnng- it is about life and being part of the community.

You signed a consent form making assumptions about the consent you were giving - that isn't school's fault.

I kept the paper. The photo is so grainy you can barely recognise the setting, let alone an individual child. It was very clearly stated that you could buy a copy and 50% of the proceeds went straight back to the school. Which is about the same as those dreadful Tempest (etc) formal shots that cost a bomb.

As for its being those struggling who are more likely to succumb, one might be tempted to suggest that those who find it hard to say no to expensive but unnecessary things are more likely to struggle financially, even than those with the same income.

ihearsounds Sat 12-Jan-13 17:23:43

I have never heard of this before. No paps outside school gates on the first day, flashing their cameras as people walking in.. Always taken my own pics, just like countless other parents.

The consent form depends on the wording used. If outside agencies used then something should reflect this in the wording. If not this seriously needs adressing. Not everyone wants the entire area knowing where thier children go to school because of safety issues involving dv.

SamSmalaidh Sat 12-Jan-13 17:25:43

Usually the consent forms cover photos being taken by local newspapers - this happens a lot at school events etc. Children whose picture cannot be taken are known to staff and removed from photo opportunities.

StuntGirl Sat 12-Jan-13 17:31:11

You should have checked what the consent actually meant rather than assuming. It's neither the school nor the newspapers fault you assumed a different definition. I expect you can remove your consent now if you so wish, then he won't be marketing anyone's papers in future.

You also didn't have to buy the picture at all.

YABU.

jessjessjess Sat 12-Jan-13 17:37:27

I really doubt the school takes a cut.

I would have excitedly kept the paper and not given it much more thought.

Finney2 Sat 12-Jan-13 17:52:12

I am a reporter. Last year we didn't do the first class photos as we had a shortage of photographers. We have never had so many phone calls fron parents who were angry their children hadn't appeared in the paper. Every year we get dozens of people ringing asking what edition the photos are going in.

Organising the first class photos is actually a massive hassle and most papers would love not to do it. They do it because people want them to do it. Papers really don't make much money at all from photo sales. It's a professional photo for seven quid. If you don't want it, don't buy it.

If you don't want your child to be in the paper again I suggest you withdraw consent.

MsElisaDay Sat 12-Jan-13 18:03:41

I second absolutely everything Finney says. The class photos are second only to a bonny baby competition in terms of a newsroom's organisational nightmares, but papers do them because parents want them.
OP, if you hadn't wanted your son to be in the paper, perhaps you should've read the consent form before signing it, or sought clarification as to what it was for.

Papers also make very, very little money from photo sales, as Finney points out. We are not talking about a global conglomerate making millions from poor unsuspecting parents here. If you're quibbling about the £7 or whatever, the only person you have to blame is yourself. Nobody forced you to buy the picture!

Finney - do you see a rise in sales that week? I always buy three copies of the local paper anytime the DCs are in and send them to the grandparents, it has occurred to me that if a lot of people did it on the class photo week it would be a big boost. Unfortunately that's only one week of the year though.

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 18:20:52

Agrees with ihear the wording definitely should say there would be outside sources too, if not it is misleading. I would assume too it would just be the school that would take pictures not a bloody newspapers. I would be annoyed and go in to the school and with draw the consent form. It should have had list of organisations that would access to to ur children. AND no i wouldnt want a picture of my child floating around the internet for all enternity for every creep and weirdo to see, jesus!The thought makes me shudder. Parents beware!

ubik Sat 12-Jan-13 20:28:39

mumagain - you sound just a touch paranoid...

ubik Sat 12-Jan-13 20:31:02

and frankly the private photographer who takes the school pix also makes money,,,and has rights to use the photo however they wish as they own the copyright.

i was a news editor for a local newspaper group and we dropped reception pix as they were such a PITA

I did what everyone else does and bought extra copies of the paper to send to grandparents. The only thing we knew about buying prints was reading the bit in the paper itself.
I don't know where the idea of photographers at the school gates has come from - they are organised group shots (no individual names of pupils) taken normally in the first few weeks rather than the first day.

elliejjtiny Sat 12-Jan-13 20:46:45

I just kept the paper of DS1 and DS2's photos. Was tempted to buy the print of DS1's but glad I didn't when it was DS2's turn. I bought the paper and the photo was of 15 smiling children and DS2 scowling! There are 23 children in his class, apparantly one mum didn't tick the box and the others refused point blank to be in it. They have their proper class photo next month, hopefully that will produce a better result.

shesariver Sat 12-Jan-13 20:50:25

AND no i wouldnt want a picture of my child floating around the internet for all enternity for every creep and weirdo to see, jesus!The thought makes me shudder. Parents beware!

Parents beware - oh get a grip!

I agree with ubik that you sound a lot paranoid! At what point anywhere does it say the photos have been put on the internet? And even if some random paedophile (because thats obviously what you are getting at) see a photo of your child on the internet - what exactly are you worried about then?

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 20:50:34

ubik totally not paranoid at all. I did a child protection IT course, it was an eye opener. Would you go around pasting pics of ur children in town, bus stops,shop windows , would you allow ur child to be photo graphed in there swimming costume? or should you ask ur school about that too, or would u assume thats one step too far??? ... its every ones personal choice. Just because people have a different opinion dosnt mean its wrong -- different strokes for different folks.

But he isn't in his swimming costume. He's fully clothed. He's as visible to weirdos and perverts as he is walking to school, or at the supermarket, or at the railway station.

Someone who gets their kicks from looking at fully clothed children isn't assisted by full class photos in the Clenchville Chronicle.

ubik Sat 12-Jan-13 21:32:59

sigh

it is a class photo FGS

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 21:36:22

oh dear here goes the childish name calling! when a pic goes in paper it normally goes 'live', do u understand what that means shesariver have u ever read an on line article?? and no i wouldnt want a 'random paedophile' seeing my daughter. clearing u dont mind -grim. I did a case study where peodophile groomers 'stole ' pictures of children to make fake social accounts to contact other children - so yes quite worrying. Any way this isnt what the thread is about, the parents should have been forwarned that any pictures could be out sourced so they they could have a choice in the matter.

2rebecca Sat 12-Jan-13 21:36:50

This is normal. My kids have been photographed at school, at swimming lessons, sledging in the park in cold spells, competing in sporting events. They take the photos because it makes news not principally to sell photos. if you don't want to buy the photo don't. My kids loved being in the local paper. I just bought the paper as they are usually cheaper than photos and more interesting to look back on than yet another photo.

Sirzy Sat 12-Jan-13 21:42:17

If people wanted photos of fully dressed children they would walk down any high street with their phone. Unless their are other child protection risks (adoption, domestic violence etc) then the chances of a child coming to harm from a photo in a paper are slim. If a parent is really paranoid about this then they shouldn't give permission for a picture to be taken.

WRT the photos of reception classes our local paper does it every year and its lovely to see the little ones looking so smart and happy. I would be annoyed if DS school didn't do them when he starts!

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 21:50:12

swimming lessons 2rebbecca pics wow ? how did u manage that as there is no way a swimming center manager would allow that and i know that for a fact! Have a stroll down to ur nearest lesuire center and ask if u can take pic there hun and see what the answer is. AND i no they wasnt in there swimming cossies but where do the schools draw the line?? AND yes kids get seen by perverts every day - what im getting at is that is up to the parents to decide where there childs picture goes -- if ur happy with them going in paper and where ever then fine but its the parents choice no one elses. it seriously isnt about buying the friggin photos lol

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 21:55:40

sirzy u are absolutly right about the child protection for special circumstances and that why the parents ultimatly need to be asked and yep the chances are slim -- but who are the schools to take that chance?

We're allowed to take photos at swimming lessons provided all the other parents (max 4 in a class and we're all on poolside) agree.

Sirzy Sat 12-Jan-13 21:57:35

But she was asked, she gave consent. If she had doubt she should have asked for further clarification.

2rebecca Sat 12-Jan-13 22:08:58

My kids are now teenagers and it was over10 years ago, but it was when they had mother and toddler lessons. The parents knew the photo was taken and all of us were happy with it. My kids have had photos done when in gymnastics displays as well and in cross country races and in hockey kit, parents sign a consent form. It's just kids doing sport. It's sad so many people are hung up about this.

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 22:15:01

Ok so u ALL agreed (very strange? did u sign a disclaimer too? )so u all knew what was happening. The O.P didnt. why should she ask if she had no idea, i wouldnt ask as ive never heard of it.

mumagain What risk is there to my child if his photo is in the paper, assuming no particular safeguarding file is open?

And given the statistics, the people most likely to cause harm to your children are those in a position to take their own photos, namely family.

The hysteria drives me nuts. What harm does my child suffer if a baddie looks at him and he is oblivious?

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 22:22:14

2rebecca 'we just signed a consent form' like i said before ... OP didnt realise it was going to the papers for public veiwing. jesus im on a bloody merry go round, good night!

Sirzy Sat 12-Jan-13 22:23:27

Why would you sign a consent form for something without knowing what it was? Sorry the only person to blame for that is the person signing!

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2rebecca Sat 12-Jan-13 22:32:20

The OP ticked a box saying she didn't mind him having his photo taken. Why should she not assume that that covered photographs by the school for publicity on their website, in the school newsletter and also in the local media?
I think it's sad that some parents are upset rather than pleased when their child's picture is in the paper (provided they aren't in it for battering an old lady or similar).
I agree with Sirzy that it's up to the individual not to sign a form if they aren't clear exactly what they are signing, otherwise schools and organisations will end up with 5 page long forms covering all eventualities and we'll end up with a society where children are invisible in the media because including their events is too much hassle.

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 22:48:21

why should she assume that it would? Why does it bother u what other parents feel--its there choice, just like its urs to have them in it. would u mind if ur childs pic were sold on to advertisement , maybe in another country? just curious?

mumagain38 Sat 12-Jan-13 22:54:43

im not a stick in the mud, my partner was a up and coming football player in his youth (a long time ago!!) and he was reg in the local rag and he loves looking back at those photos. Im also so aware of the real dangers of kids pics on here as ive done several IT protection work shops which frankly did alarm me, i also know we cant wrap our kids in cotton wool....my point is that the op wasnt aware of where her childs pic would end up. Its not up to her to dig and find out, the school should have been more clearer. thats my point and im sticking to it! smile

What "real dangers of kids pictures"?

Clary Sat 12-Jan-13 23:46:45

I loved seeing the pix of all mine in the paper.

You didn't have to buy a pic OP. Having form pictures taken is a thing that happens at school - maybe you had better request your child is not included next time then hmm

Yes LOL @ the idea that yr DC's pic will sell copies of the paper - to whom exactly apart from you? And if you object, well just don't buy it at all. [puzzled] Presumably the consent form covered pics in the local paper too? If you really object to that then let the school know asap.

mumagain I would also like to know what the real dnagers of kids' pictures are. My kids often used to be in the local paper and on its website - should I be worried? If so, what about?

mumagain38 Sun 13-Jan-13 13:15:25

Honestley clary i dont know if u should or not its down to ur personal choice at the end of the day..like i said a couple of post up i did a IT child protection work shop and what i discovered was unerving and unsettling for me personally.
If u literatly type in 'The dangers of putting kids pictures on internet' into google it will come up with a load of links for some interesting reading, there is arguments on both sides, explains it a bit better than me.
anything that gets published will likely be up loaded and its anys ones pic then as www. stands world wide web so that means any one on this planet has acceses to it to do with what they wish with it, they could even use it for advertising in which u would defo not agree with or have a choice in the matter. I dont think people grasp the full magnitude of it. we spend years telling our kids dont talk to strangers..yet were happy to see them in the paper telling us all '' this is little billy blogs..age 4..goes to what ever primary school. To me that dosnt sit right, i dont take risks with my kids...if i want my kids in paper then i will agree to it, i dont need the school making those choices for me. The school should have clearly stated on the consent form..maybe used to external purpose. There done ..no need for the 5 pages of blah blah ;)
ok ive had enough arm wrestling on this link see u all on the next ;)

insancerre Sun 13-Jan-13 13:18:19

* we spend years telling our kids dont talk to strangers*
no we don't
stranger danger is a myth

shesariver Sun 13-Jan-13 13:34:19

and no i wouldnt want a 'random paedophile' seeing my daughter. clearing u dont mind -grim

No Im not grim, just a normal parent whos not completely hysterical about paedophiles, I work with adults who have been abused as children and everyone of them has been abused by someone they know not this mythical stranger. But I forgot - you are obviously the expert here as you have done an IT child protection course, as you keep mentioning (3 times and counting!)

10storeylovesong Sun 13-Jan-13 13:35:26

This is not a new thing. My mum still has the photos on her wall taken by the newspaper on mine and my brother's first days - we're 30 and 28! Neither of us have come to any harm from this (and yes it is available on the Internet in the paper's archives). We love to reminisce about the photos.

shesariver Sun 13-Jan-13 13:35:35

And on the very very minute chance a paedophile does happen to see a picture of any of my kids in their school uniforms on the internet - this is going to affect me and them how exactly?? hmm

10storeylovesong Sun 13-Jan-13 13:36:30

Oh, and I work in child protection (not a one day course!) and have absolutely no concerns about this and look forward to seeing my own children's photos.

PuppyMonkey Sun 13-Jan-13 13:49:47

I also work at a local paper, we do the 1st day at school, nativities, sports days the lot to try and boost sales. Local papers are dying a death so little bits of business like this can really help. People aren't forced to take part and no one has to buy the pix if they think they're poor quality.

It's prob something you won't have to worry about in a few years when all the local papers have folded because nobody reads papers any more.

mumagain38 Sun 13-Jan-13 14:11:46

Lol it wasnt a one day course, and 10story children pictures and usage on internet IS an issue in child protection .but to be fair look at the STATE of the child protection services at the moment???? and this is not souly about peodophiles jeez! The OP hadnt agreed to to the pics being published! It her choice not the frigging school. Ones those pics go live they are anybodys maybe the op didnt want this.. i certainly wouldnt. and that MY choice! Also i have lots of photo albums pics on walls videos of kids which they enjoy looking?laughing at- they are personal and private. I dont feel the need to see them in the paper lol. its the same replies over and over...bleat i want to to my kids in the news paper...bleat...what harm can it do...bleat.
oh and EVERY one works in child protection, child abuse any thing relevent to the topic at the time.
>>> THE underlying issue here is that the OP didnt want/aware that her child pic was gonna get published. They should have put a short sentence stating that they maybe used to external sources. If u want ur kids all over the internet/papers then bully for u..i dont. my choice.

So you don't know then? You can Google "chocolate causes cancer" and get results - proves nothing. Tell us one of the reasons that convinced you...?

Yes there are child protection issues for some children, but schools know who those children are and don't take/publish their photos. These full-class pictures don't have children's individual names on, and each child is scarcely visible anyway.

Hysteria helps nobody. Focusing on some mysterious stranger when the real danger is far closer to home massively clouds the issue.

PuppyMonkey Sun 13-Jan-13 14:27:03

If OP was really so shocked at the unexpected appearance of her kid's photo in paper, maybe she should've had a word with school about it. Rather than, you know, buying the photo from the paper.confused

ginmakesitallok Sun 13-Jan-13 14:27:21

YAB totally Unreasonable. If there was a genuine reason for you not wanting pictures taken of your child - then you wouldn't sign the consent form.

Local newspapers take photos of kids groups all the time - should they have to contact every parent for explicit consent before they publish? No - they rely on the consent given to school/club etc.

Dear God if a paedophile is so desperate for pic of kids in school uniform they just need to go to any cataolgue/website.

Sirzy Sun 13-Jan-13 14:34:07

The OP did give permission she signed the consent form. I don't know why MumAgain is struggling to understand that.

I am pretty sure anyone with any sort of genuine concerns wouldn't sign something without clarifying any areas they weren't happy with first.

Pandemoniaa Sun 13-Jan-13 14:35:28

I also resent my DS being used to sell their paper for free, then if I want a copy of the photo being charged a relatively high price for it.

Taking pictures of reception class children and featuring them in local papers is absolutely standard practice. I've copped that particular duty shift myself.

However, you are under no obligation to buy the picture (not that papers make much from prints anyway) and it is ridiculous to compare this practice with being hounded in Morocco. As for looking good in their paper this is nonsense. It's just a regular feature. It doesn't make the paper look good or bad. However, most local papers will run features that reflect what is happening in the local community and are popular with their readers and certainly, this one usually is.

I strongly suggest that you withdraw permission for your child to be photographed at school if this is going to be your reaction. Because it won't be the only time in his school life that he is likely to be photographed for the local press.

ChristmasJubilee Sun 13-Jan-13 14:58:21

Our school consent form covers photos for school displays, website, and press. You can agree to any combination. We are also asked if we are happy for their name to be included.

My dc's have appeared in the local paper many times over the last 14 years that they have been in school I have only ever bought one photo, an individual one of ds3.

The local swimming cub regularly feature in our local paper and are photographed wearing ummmm "swimwear". I don't see what difference there is between this and gymnastic or dance costumes and I don't have any problem with it.

jamdonut Sun 13-Jan-13 15:00:22

I really don't know why you bought the newspaper photo.

In our area, every school is included in the new starters feature. here is no push for parents to buy.

I've kept pages from newspapers of my kids appearing in photos. They are lovely keepsakes to look back on, It would have to be exceptionally special (occasion or picture) for me to buy one.

I like to see pictures of my kids in the paper. Its a pride thing.

That is why I always sign consent for pictures taken during school time/outings/events etc to be published. If you don't like it, withdraw permission.

10storeylovesong Sun 13-Jan-13 16:44:02

mumagain no-one is saying that the use of children's images is not an issue on the Internet. In this context I would not have an issue personally with my children being in the paper, and if this was the only concern raised to me about other people's children then again I would not have concerns.

You say that your concern about it being online is not about peodophiles - what exactly is it about? If there are no other safeguarding issues then there are no reasons not to publish it.

And yes, the OP did give consent. She obviously didn't know what she was giving consent to but that is her own fault. I don't sign anything unless I know exactly what I'm signing, especially if it's something so important.

And like someone else said, if she had a real concern regarding this, why on earth did she buy the photo??? I think the real issue is that she is not happy with the quality of the photo - which is not a safeguarding issue. The newspaper have done nothing wrong here.

Floggingmolly Sun 13-Jan-13 17:44:57

mumagain39. They don't actually name the children in the photograph???
You do realise there will be photos of 2 or more classes of 30 children from each school in the borough; in ours there are 6.
So... at least 360 children, in such tiny print that magnifying glasses are needed to make out the individual children. Op's child is not "all over the papers", believe me, and most definitely has not been specially chosen to sell more papers, as she seems to fondly imagine.

shesariver Sun 13-Jan-13 22:52:35

Mumagain - well if youre not worried paedophiles and this is not souly about peodophiles jeez what exactly are you raving on about then?

And as to your sarcastic comment about "everyone" working in child abuse/protection, I can only vouch for myself as Im a Psychiatric Nurse and its common knowledge - as in you don't need to be an expert to understand that children are more at risk from people they know, usually family then friends than the mysterious stranger paedophile...google that if you dont believe me.

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