AIBU to be annoyed my DS will be getting "Beatboxing&quo t; music lessons at primary school

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OhLori Fri 11-Jan-13 16:14:29

Had a letter from son's school today. Apparently they will be getting "beatboxing" lessons from a specialist "beatboxing" teacher coming into teach his class. DS is 10.

For the uninitiated, beatboxing is that sort of spitting into cupped hands over a microphone thing, found in some rap/hip hop.

I just don't want my son to learn this rubbish at school, it does my head in when he occasionally does it in the house so the last thing I want is for it to be encouraged further by a 'professional' at school.

I am amazed that the school is financing this, but we live in a London inner city area, so I guess its seen as "cool" to waste taxpayers money on this crap.

Would I be unreasonable to have other appointments on that day e.g. doctors, or be sick? I don't think there is much point in giving my opinion to the school. They are not interested in parents' opinions.

This is a genuine AIBU post, I don't know what to do.

tittytittyhanghang Fri 11-Jan-13 16:16:28

YABU, should only music you like get taught in schools?

Proudnscary Fri 11-Jan-13 16:17:07

I love beatboxing and would love it if my dc learned it. It's relevant <boak - sorry - but it is> and fun and involves skill. It's a legitimate part of a legitimate genre of music.

What's the problem? If you hated the violin and that was the instrument he was learning you would feel the same?

KhallDrogo Fri 11-Jan-13 16:18:07

It's as legitimate as any other music. It's very skilled. It's better than the recorder or violin. Why do you think it is rubbish? Because you don't like it?

ginhag Fri 11-Jan-13 16:18:18

Won't someone think of the children?? <clutches pearls>

I mean, they might actually enjoy it and where will that lead

CloudsAndTrees Fri 11-Jan-13 16:18:52

YANBU to wish the school could get someone worthwhile in for music instruction.

YABVU to think about keeping him off school on that day, especially when you know your son would like it and he's old enough to work out what you'd be trying to do.

Yfronts Fri 11-Jan-13 16:19:00

He's probably only going to be doing it for an hour max. Whats the problem?

OhLori Fri 11-Jan-13 16:19:16

I don't consider it music though confused Proud n' Scary; any other music would be OK even if I didn't like it.

Does that make sense to anyone? I'm OK if it doesn't.

ginhag Fri 11-Jan-13 16:19:45

'I don't know what to do'

Sorry I think that's really funny grin

OhLori Fri 11-Jan-13 16:19:57

No, its not for an hour. It will be several sessions :-(

derekthehamster Fri 11-Jan-13 16:20:02

beatboxing and body percussion

My son did this and loved it!

Pooka Fri 11-Jan-13 16:20:08

YABU.

Just because it is not to your taste doesn't mean that you should keep him off sick (!) to avoid it. Presumably he will enjoy it, since he does it at home himself occasionally?

Bit of a killjoy.

KhallDrogo Fri 11-Jan-13 16:20:40

Well it is music, whatever your opinion...

Sirzy Fri 11-Jan-13 16:21:26

YABU. Just because you don't consider it music doesn't mean it isn't. It is great that children are getting to try different things rather than the normal stuff

DameMargotFountain Fri 11-Jan-13 16:21:31

that sounds awesome!

seriously, OP, it's far more than spitting into your cupped hands

do you listen to music, OP?

ginhag Fri 11-Jan-13 16:21:45

And now an actual [sadface] ???

Seriously, he won't catch gangsta or anything.

derekthehamster Fri 11-Jan-13 16:21:50

It helps improve concentration etc.

Doogle2 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:22:12

Yabu. I would love this is my sons school. If it inspires him that is surely it is positive thing. I feel sorry that he would miss the lesson when all his friends would be talking about it. You are being very unreasonable to teach him to lie to miss something at school.

Pooka Fri 11-Jan-13 16:22:14

It sounds a bit fogeyish to say that you don't consider it to be music.

I dislike beatbox myself, but I can see that the percussive part of it is related to beats, rhythm and music.

YABU. If it annoys you that he does it around the house then surely its better that he learns how to do it properly. I think its fantastic that the school are giving the kids lessons they will actually enjoy.

Pooka Fri 11-Jan-13 16:22:51

Arf at "catching gangsta" grin

WhatchuTalkinBoutPhyllis Fri 11-Jan-13 16:23:29

YABU

And a bit of a snob.

No matter whether you don't like rap/hip hop. There's still no denying the masses of talent it takes to do something like this- www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHtPqI28CI

I'm sure it will interest the kids more than the ins and outs of a 4 bar rest.

WhatchuTalkinBoutPhyllis Fri 11-Jan-13 16:24:40

catch gangsta grin

lulu2 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:25:02

I think it's a complete waste of time.

TheDarkestNight Fri 11-Jan-13 16:25:05

I hate beatboxing, I truly feel your pain. If I were you, I'd find a reason to be 'busy' that day, but I know I'm being unreasonable. If DS already does it around the house, I take it he enjoys it and will feel he's missed out if he misses it?

Pooka Fri 11-Jan-13 16:25:35

It's a bit like the whole graffiti/art argument.

The difference between tagging (which is just pure vandalism in my eyes) and full graffiti murals. Maybe what he's doing at home, untaught, is a bit like tagging, and the lessons will elevate his output to banksy level. wink

Mutt Fri 11-Jan-13 16:25:49

grin at "I don't consider it music though".

Sorry to break it to you but it is music.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it Not Music.

You are being very unreasonable, and narrow-minded.

OhLori Fri 11-Jan-13 16:26:10

Snob, don't know what music is, killjoy.

Obviously you know alot about me (*not*).

Anyway, I shall leave it there.

derekthehamster Fri 11-Jan-13 16:26:15
Mutt Fri 11-Jan-13 16:27:07

Is your DS not allowed to have his own likes and dislikes?

Have you any idea how controlling that makes you sound?

OhLori Fri 11-Jan-13 16:27:15

oops not that was meant to be.

InNeedOfBrandy Fri 11-Jan-13 16:28:58

Quick op hide, he'll be rapping to it next shock

You plonker

WifeofPie Fri 11-Jan-13 16:29:21

My boys would love this. I think it's great that schools are trying to add things that are modern and relevant; a lot of kids will really engage with this type of offering.

YABU.

YokoUhOh Fri 11-Jan-13 16:29:50

YABU. I'm Head of Music in a secondary school and I teach beatboxing as part of a vocal music topic. It gets children thinking about how to use their voices, rhythm and metre, and how sounds can be representative, like in Programme Music (google 'kitchen diaries' by Beardyman). I would be horrified if music in schools was just about learning to play pieces on the keyboard, for example.

I think that sounds a much better idea than a class of 35 all learning the french horn for a year, or something else that the majority will drop the moment they can.

And I can definitely see how beatboxing could lead to better musical understanding - rhythm, time signatures, tempo etc.

OhLori Fri 11-Jan-13 16:30:53

How nasty with the insults. I'm gonna ask MNHQ to close/delete this thread and ask that no more additions are necessary.

InNeedOfBrandy Fri 11-Jan-13 16:32:51

MN don't delete threads just because you dont like the replies HTH

AThingInYourLife Fri 11-Jan-13 16:33:37

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

ethelb Fri 11-Jan-13 16:34:21

we studied scat and jazz at about the same age in my trendy inner london borough.

ethelb Fri 11-Jan-13 16:34:54

sorry, my point was that it is a similar genre.

grin at trying to police thread in the same way as your son's lessons!

Pooka Fri 11-Jan-13 16:36:35

I think the insults are probably because rather than just saying you hate it/it's a waste of time, you actually seemed in OP to be intending to remove your ds from the lessons entirely by fabricating sickness or medical appointments.

Which is truly unreasonable behaviour.

Why on earth do people ask for opinions on here if all they want is everyone to agree <sigh> you may be better off posting your outrage on FB where people are more likely to agree with you (to your face anyway).

Yes of course YABU!!!
Your son will love it and will not like you at all if you make him miss it.
He's 10, it's what the like!
I don't consider Trad Jazz, music - but there are loads of people out there who love it.
We all have our opinions and if you don't like it that's fine, but don't punish your poor son.

My DDs school had a visit from The Magnets ( look them up on tube - a cappella singing with beat boxing) and did a beatbox workshop for the kids- all of whom then came to the gig later and enjoyed the a cappella style singing too so the beatboxing got them interested and they could see how it could be used alongside singing to get the full band effect.
AS the music pros on here have said it teaches children about using their voice, projection, rhythm and gives them performance confidence.
Let you DS enjoy it!

peeriebear Fri 11-Jan-13 16:38:43

AIBU?
Yes, YABU
WAAAAAHHHH BUTTHURT delete!!

OhLori Fri 11-Jan-13 16:38:58

No more personal insults please, I have asked MNHQ to delete this thread because of the nasty and disrespectful atitude of many of the posters. I hope they respect my wishes.

Nellysknickers Fri 11-Jan-13 16:38:58

I would be so excited if they did this at DS1's school, I would ask if I could go along too. YABU. and a bit ridiculous.

WhatchuTalkinBoutPhyllis Fri 11-Jan-13 16:39:22

I don't think you would receive the types of reply you have had your aibu not been so cats-bummingly uptight and ridiculous.

It's up there with 'I don't want my kids learning sex education in case they start having sex at lunch time'

Just whiffs of snobbishness if you ask me op.

DameFanny Fri 11-Jan-13 16:39:33

OP, don't take this the wrong way, but have you been on Mumsnet before?

ReallyTired Fri 11-Jan-13 16:41:09

I have to admit that I would not be impressed if my son did beatboxing as part of his wider opps. I suppose beatboxing is popular because it requires no instruments. In my opinon beat boxing is dance rather than music.

I am pleased that his school prefer to teach their ten year olds Ukulede or steel drums instead.

Keeping your child off school is an over reaction though since doing beatboxing won't kill him. Part of school is to broaden a child's horizons beyond what their parents think.

Moominsarehippos Fri 11-Jan-13 16:42:16

I'd hate it but DS would LOVE it. Not my cuppa tea but good for the kidlings, I'm sure. I'm an old fogey though. I am sure we had similar things when I was at school that my mum would have loathed.

EuroShagmore Fri 11-Jan-13 16:42:42

I think it sounds quite run and could be a valuable way to teach rhythm.

This thread is hilarious. A proper flounce thread. grin

OhLori Report the posts you feel are personal insults, and MNHQ will look into it.
If MNHQ deleted posts purely on posters' wishes, it would be a much poorer place.

Viviennemary Fri 11-Jan-13 16:43:44

Can't see the harm. Though we certainly didn't have that sort of thing when I was at school. Clutches pearls. He'll probably enjoy it.

WhatchuTalkinBoutPhyllis Fri 11-Jan-13 16:45:07

Beatboxing is dance rather than music hmm

Not sure about that one.

Moominsarehippos Fri 11-Jan-13 16:45:44

As long as they aren't dropping maths to teach tiddlywinks, I trust the school's judgement in what they teach.

discorabbit Fri 11-Jan-13 16:45:45

op best not to post on aibu, you do just get insults, it's not the best part of my imo, you'd probably get more measured answers in one of the other topics.

mrsjay Fri 11-Jan-13 16:46:47

he could go all gangsta on yer ass or 'something' grin come on it is fun and it certainly is different to recorder or violin when play badly is like a strangled cat, It is modern and something your son would enjoy, just let him do it he will like it

Moominsarehippos Fri 11-Jan-13 16:49:30

Anyhoo, OP YABU but don't sweat it.

The kids will have a lot of fun, and get all enthusiastic about something 'cool' (or whatever the youngsters say these days) and that can't be a bad thing.

Have your earplugs ready. If you really dont want to encourage this, try it yourself and he won't want to do it.

mrsjay Fri 11-Jan-13 16:50:05

I just read on page 2 (which im still reading) that you want this thread deleted because of nasty comments I didnt read any some a bit sarky and funny but not nasty

Crinkle77 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:50:29

I disagree. If it gets them interested in music then so be it.

mrsjay Fri 11-Jan-13 16:50:46

beat boxing isn't dance how is it dance confused

jamdonut Fri 11-Jan-13 16:52:06

Its just another aspect of making music..it doesn't have to be with "proper" instruments. We do African drumming for most of a school year with a specialist percussion teacher(for year 4's).The first half a dozen lessons are about using the body as percussion,as well as learning what rythm,beat ,pulse and tone is,and also beginning to read music.

I am more concerned that you think that you have the right to make the decision on whether you child learns this or not! It is part of the school's curriculum, therefore that is what they will learn. Just because YOU feel it is not worth it,doesn't mean it isn't. And why would you want him to miss out,when all his friends will have done it? Don't you read the papers...boys need encouragement to engage in lessons. I would think this would do the trick.

Plus, I think the school would get wise to your child always being sick or at an appointment on the allotted day...

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 11-Jan-13 16:54:21

I'd be actually pleased if the DS's got the chance to do this, plus they would love it. I wouldn't want them practising for hours in my vicinity though, I can see how that might be a tad irritating

freddiefrog Fri 11-Jan-13 16:58:57

Not my cup of tea, but my eldest daughter's class did this last year and she loved every minute of it.

They had a day doing different workshops, beat boxing, street dancing, graffiti-style art, etc, etc and had an 'epic day' (her words)

mountaingirl Fri 11-Jan-13 16:59:04

I have seen Duke the beatbox band live (got through to judges houses on XFactor) a couple of years ago and they were absolutely brilliant.

op sorry but there are many things we as parents do not like that our dc do, just like our parents with us. You are being so very unreasonable to want to do that to your ds, especially knowing that he likes it. Poor little chap.

LizzieVereker Fri 11-Jan-13 17:01:32

YABU. It is a form of percussion, takes skill and will improve listening skills and concentration.

I don't think a thread should be deleted just because an OP doesn't like being disagreed with, comments above are a little snarky but not personal attacks.

You're doing the online equivalent of saying "it's my ball and none of you can play unless I say so".

ginhag Fri 11-Jan-13 17:20:57

I think people are being 'disrespectful' by daring to disagree with you because your OP really doesn't come across very well, homie.

Peace out.

grin

ginhag Fri 11-Jan-13 17:22:31

Oh yeah, and the taking him out of school thing. You fo' real?

ginhag Fri 11-Jan-13 17:23:25

I am making beat box noises RIGHT NOW you know.

NewYearNewNagoo Fri 11-Jan-13 17:27:31

he he love this thread.

YABU. There's more to music than what you decide to like grin

mrsjay Fri 11-Jan-13 17:27:33

RESPECT ginhag

manormuppet Fri 11-Jan-13 17:34:13

Oh OP you are a funny on one....

BerryMojito Fri 11-Jan-13 17:34:18

derek - thanks for the link to the Vocal Orchestra, incredibly talented bunch of musicians!

JamieandtheMagicTorch Fri 11-Jan-13 17:34:54

It's not my cup o tea, although that body percussion is ace.

Otoh anything rhythmical is hugely enjoyable. You may find there's evidence of broader benefits beyond enjoyment, but as someone above said, school is brilliant for introducing children to things their parents may not find agreeable.

fuzzpig Fri 11-Jan-13 17:42:05

Sounds bloody fabulous to me. And I say that as somebody with a picture of Beethoven hung in pride of place above her piano wink

It would be really mean to make your DS miss out. What better way to tell your son that his taste doesn't matter hmm

My DD is in yr1 and got a letter home about drum club, can't afford it at the moment but may do it next year - as well as proper drumming it includes beatboxing and body percussion. Looks brilliant.

ihearsounds Fri 11-Jan-13 17:44:51

Beatboxing is music. The voice is an amazing musical instrument, capable of making many sounds. Beat boxers can produce beats and harmony, and to get to this point it involves a great deal of talent, commitment, concentration.

Beatboxing is not a new rap thing. Te voice has been used for percussian for several thousands of years. Early variations have included bol,, scat, and something beul which btw originated in traditional Scottish music.

Oh and Paul McCartney that would be something, 1969.. hardly a rapper lol.

so yes vbu.

WhatchuTalkinBoutPhyllis Fri 11-Jan-13 17:48:16

mrsjay twas said upthread a couple of posts before mine.

Just read the op again. Love the use of speech marks when describing "beatboxing" grin

Hulababy Fri 11-Jan-13 17:54:01

Is it music? Yes - it is a form of music.

Therefore it has a part to play in music lessons if that is what the teachers/school have deemed appropriate for their lessons.
You may find that it fits in nicely with a topic they are covering too.

YANBU to not like the form of music.
YANBU to wish it was another form of music that you'd prefer.

However YABU to tell your son it is rubbish, a waste of time, a waste of music, etc. and YABU to consider removing your child from school because of it.

ThePathanKhansWitch Fri 11-Jan-13 17:54:17

Yabu, he will love it. To say it's a waste of taxpayers money makes you sound disrespectful and a bit of an arse tbh.

Doogle2 Fri 11-Jan-13 17:54:22

How does one feel about dancing to Gangnam Style? grin

Bobyan Fri 11-Jan-13 17:59:40

This is the funniest thread I've read in ages.

Maybe Op you should sell those pearls your clutching and use the proceeds to send your Ds to a niace school?

JamieandtheMagicTorch Fri 11-Jan-13 18:01:53

Yy to fitting with the topic.

Our school is brilliant at providing cross- curricular links. also inner city

OP before you get all uptight with the school, maybe find out whether this s the case

cuillereasoupe Fri 11-Jan-13 18:02:17

we studied scat

I know what you mean but still grin

JamieandtheMagicTorch Fri 11-Jan-13 18:03:04

Grr

My 9 year old bounces up and down Gangnam style at breakfast time. Very disconcerting

Euphemia Fri 11-Jan-13 18:04:08

Wasting my time here because you've flounced owing to not inducing the breast-beating you were hoping for ...

Would I be unreasonable to have other appointments on that day?

Absolutely. You can't opt in and out of the curriculum as you see fit.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 11-Jan-13 18:09:37

I'm with you cuillereasoupe - I do know what ethelb means really, but shock !!

Re the "beatboxing" - yeah, why not? No costly instruments hence very democratic, people can practice it at home, and it'll probably get more participation that "singing" would.

mrsjay Fri 11-Jan-13 18:10:13

when dd was that age it was recorder or glockenspiel she chose the latter plink plink plonk (arghhh)

Pandemoniaa Fri 11-Jan-13 18:16:28

You clearly don't want to listen to reasoned arguments. So I won't bother making one. But YABU.

Fakebook Fri 11-Jan-13 18:18:33

Yabu and snotty.

Theicingontop Fri 11-Jan-13 18:20:50

Oh what next?! Next thing you know he'll be cotchin' wid his homiez and flinging crack... Stand your ground OP, stand your ground.

cuillereasoupe Fri 11-Jan-13 18:21:47

To be fair to the OP it depends how many sessions it is. I'd probably be cheesed off if it were for an entire year, as I'd rather the school exposed my child to a wide range of styles and instruments if they had the money

Cakecrumbsinmybra Fri 11-Jan-13 18:23:13

OP, you have had loads of non-insulting, interesting responses on here. Unless you posted just to expect everyone to agree with you, then surely they have been an eye opener for you and helped you see things from a different angle?

inchoccyheaven Fri 11-Jan-13 18:23:21

DS1 did beatboxing as part of his music lessons last year when he was yr7 so first year of secondary school. He is very shy but I think he actually enjoyed it.

IAmLouisWalsh Fri 11-Jan-13 18:24:49

My 6 year old DS won the Gangnam Style dance competition in his last PE lesson before Christmas.

Should I report the school to OfSTED?

DoJo Fri 11-Jan-13 18:47:50

"It's up there with 'I don't want my kids learning sex education in case they start having sex at lunch time'"

Personally I think it's even worse than that - it's more like
'I am going to deprive my child of a whole day's schooling because I don't like one small aspect of what he might learn, even though that may inspire him to appreciate a range of other aspects of that subject, make him feel as though school is relevant to him and pick up a skill that will at worst annoy me slightly when he does it at home.' Or like stopping your child from studying English because you don't like the reading book they've been given.

rollmopses Fri 11-Jan-13 18:53:07

This idiotic nonsense is NOT MUSIC. End of the story.
It's utter horrid rubbish used by vile ghetto gangsta types. Understood?
Complaint to head teacher and threaten to file official complaint with Ofsted etc.
Children can't read nor write, yet school wastes money on paying for garbage.
Off with their heads.

angry

I stopped reading because I started on the youtube videos. I think it's amazing, incredible that the human voice can do that. I'd love dd to get a chance to do it.

ginhag Fri 11-Jan-13 18:59:02

Rollmopses grin

(I have no idea if you intended to be funny, but I prefer to assume that is the case.)

Kleinzeit Fri 11-Jan-13 19:00:04

Well hoity toity! YABU OP. It is indeed music, your DS will enjoy it and he’ll learn from it. Beatboxing may get on your nerves but it could be worse – the sound of beginners playing bowed string instruments makes the hair on my arms stand on end, and when my brother learnt the oboe his reed practice could be heard through the house and we called it “killing the cow”.

WifeofPie Fri 11-Jan-13 19:20:07

Louis that is atrocious I'd start shopping around for new schools if I were you.

grin

OliviaPeacein2013Mumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 11-Jan-13 19:35:26

Well, good evening all and a Happy Friday to you.
Just a reminder that, y'know, AIBU isn't Fight Club.
Let me know if you need a handy link to the guidelines or anything.
smile

JamieandtheMagicTorch Fri 11-Jan-13 19:43:25

I think some excellent points have been made on this thread.

I wonder if the OP has wider concerns aboutbthe school and/ or where it is?

Moominsarehippos Fri 11-Jan-13 20:11:33

Olivia does keep popping up like Head Girl...

Honestly, we are behaving and no-one is smoking or wearing their skirts too short.

ThePathanKhansWitch Fri 11-Jan-13 20:18:13

Speak foryerself moomin, <spits juicy fruit out and lights ciggie in the bike shed>.

KhallDrogo Fri 11-Jan-13 20:20:59

The only person being rude on this thread is the OP. She is completely dismissive of a genre of music and incredible skill and talent. She calls into question the 'professionalism' of the artists, who may well make a very good living and have no doubt invested endless practice and passion into their art. Because she, doesn't like it

She wants to keep her son away from school to avoid beat boxing having further influence on him

She's has quite rightly, been called our for being closed minded and probably a snob

KhallDrogo Fri 11-Jan-13 20:22:16

And a control freak

And ridiculous

mrsjay Fri 11-Jan-13 20:36:02

onestly, we are behaving and no-one is smoking or wearing their skirts too short.

<pulls down skirt> am a good girl I am grin

Sunnywithshowers Fri 11-Jan-13 21:16:26

YABU OP

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 11-Jan-13 21:19:26

lolsters. It's a hoot though innit and the OP has scarpered. Soz Olivia, 2013 didn't start well for me either grin I think maybe the economy is improving?

DameFanny Fri 11-Jan-13 21:29:11

I thought the economy was 'growing at a rate of 0%' hmm

AmberLeaf Fri 11-Jan-13 21:30:23

YABU.

I'd like to know how the fuck beatbox is dance though?!

bea Fri 11-Jan-13 21:31:12

Yo Yo Yo! Yes! Yo ABU!

My dd's love of Taylor Swift led me to this!

Cover your ears at 0.40 OP!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcM14Al83Ls

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 11-Jan-13 21:36:20

bea - that link is amazing!

bea Fri 11-Jan-13 21:39:38

HazeltheMcWitch - I love it...! Sooo clever!

Hope the OP sees it! Hee! Hee!

RabidCarrot Fri 11-Jan-13 21:47:44

Well it is not to my taste to listen to but I would not have a problem with either of my kids doing it at school.
I don't think you can take your child out of school because you do not like a lesson, and if your son does occasionally do this at home surely he would enjoy the lesson and not want to miss out?

Personally YAB*V*U

MumVsKids Fri 11-Jan-13 22:56:38

Boots n cats n boots n cats wink

Repeat as fast as you can, over and over smile

And there you have your first lesson in beat boxing.

It's brilliant, kids love it smile

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 08:26:11

Bea

Thanks for that link. It's fantastic. I've seen their take on Somebody That I Used to Know which is also brilliant. I want to be in that band ......

RuleBritannia Sat 12-Jan-13 08:27:47

Spitting?!!!

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 08:35:18

Somebody that i used to know
no beatboxing but a bit of tapping

bringmeroses Sat 12-Jan-13 08:40:59

Yabu. People thought elvis wasn't playing proper music once upon a time. Balance harmful modern influence with clarinet lessons and Latin at home and DS will be fine.

No disrespect to any beat boxing clarinet players intended.

whatyoulookinat Sat 12-Jan-13 08:52:29

Yabvu & it doesn't involve spitting.I hope you're not always so narrow minded regarding regarding your Childs education.

lockets Sat 12-Jan-13 08:55:12

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Icelollycraving Sat 12-Jan-13 08:59:02

V amusing thread.

sammysaidso Sat 12-Jan-13 09:04:47

This has made my morning.
I'm sorry op but if you put something in aibu don't get annoyed if you don't like the answers you are given.
Beatboxing is music, its just not cliff Richard.

Pooka Sat 12-Jan-13 09:13:02

bea

That was amazing! Am blown away but what can be one with human voice.

Moominsarehippos Sat 12-Jan-13 09:13:47

Now I would protest to the school if they were being taught by Cliff Richard. Hang me for saying so, I don't care!

Enfyshedd Sat 12-Jan-13 09:33:10

I think it's better than being instructed to buy a recorder then never using them (despairs at insane list of required items when I started comp -20- a few years ago).

trixymalixy Sat 12-Jan-13 09:37:53

YABU, that sounds great!!

ReallyTired Sat 12-Jan-13 09:40:10

I think that teachers need more freedom to teach what they want. Teaching children things the parents don't always like broadens the child's mind. (Ie. the fundamental christian child who get taken to the hindu temple.)

As I said earlier I have to admit that I am relieved that my son has done Ukelede instead of beatboxing. However beatboxing is harmless and will help with a sense of rythmn. My son's class sang a Cliff Richard song at a christmas concert which was an ordeal.

If you want your child to do more conventional music then its up to you to organise outside school.

cazzybabs Sat 12-Jan-13 09:42:11

My child goes to a posh private school (ie it not just a inner city state school) and they did beat boxing. the children loved it. I think it the was the most inspiring thing they had done.

MushroomSoup Sat 12-Jan-13 10:00:47

Bea what an incredible link!

But I'm reporting that link to HQ as it was a direct attempt to influence the posters into thinking the OP was BVU.

OP, you're getting a bit of a pasting, but I agree with you.

Don't particularly want to get into a bunfight so I won't explain why, just thought I'd let you know you're not alone. But don't stop your DS from going. If he does, he might realise just how shit and pointless the whole thing is grin

Purpleknickers Sat 12-Jan-13 10:16:03

Wow I have to confess that as a not so oldie mouldie I had absolutely no idea what beatbox sounded like , even found myself mentally knodding and agreeing with OP .....

Then I clicked on the links and wow absolutely amazing particularly the somebody that I used to know cover.

Everyday they say is a school day and my world has been widened. Not sure I would be brave enough to attend a gig though after all I too may catch gangsta grin

Also another first today after years of lurking on AIBU this is my first post so I really hope this thread does not go poof

theodorakisses Sat 12-Jan-13 10:48:39

Not because it may be seen as a bit common compared to grade 3 milllion on the viola is it OP?

PickledApples Sat 12-Jan-13 14:22:07

Is it sheer co-ink-ee-dink that ZingZillas was the beatboxing episode today?! confused

OP - YABVU - watch aforementioned ZingZillas and try it yourself. Far removed from "spitting into hands" hmm

PickledApples Sat 12-Jan-13 14:22:59

<pats Purple on back>
Good effort Purple smile

KellyElly Sat 12-Jan-13 14:31:37

Massive flounce. Love these threads smile

fuzzpig Sat 12-Jan-13 15:22:01

I recently saw a video of a child prodigy playing some Bach on the piano... accompanied by somebody beatboxing. Awesome smile

valiumredhead Sat 12-Jan-13 16:11:32

God, the kids will LOVE it! Anything is good if it gets their attention and is music focused.

It's as much spitting into hands as drummers only banging a drum hmm

valiumredhead Sat 12-Jan-13 16:12:31

Lessons like these are GREAT - it's the sign of a good school that provides lessons the kids area actually interested in!

God it would drive me mad, fecking noise. I agree with you spit flying everywhere and that NOISE. Aaarrrggghhh!!

That link to the woman sing "I knew you were trouble" is amazing!

Here is one that DP has just shown me. I'm amazed that people can make these noises just with their mouths shock

GothAnneGeddes Sat 12-Jan-13 16:39:12

Brilliant thread.

I thought it had peaked early with "catch gangsta", but then it was topped off by a truly luscious flounce.

Wonderful.

Does anyone remember the T-mobile advert with the vocal artists & beatboxers in the airport? Makes me cry every time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3NPNM4xgo

They have an awesome behind-the-scenes video which talks about how the beatboxers can keep time like a metronome. Absolutely amazing skills!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWbKJM275mo

Nanny0gg Sat 12-Jan-13 16:55:54

I am officially old and have been known to wear pearls.
And I think it's amazing! It's extremely clever and how anyone can say it's not 'musical' I don't know. It's often used as backing for the most beautiful vocals.

I'd be more than happy if my DGCs could learn it.

I wonder if the OP is still reading since coming round from her fit of the vapours...

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter Sat 12-Jan-13 16:57:01

Yabu
What a great way of engaging kids that possibly wouldn't be

Taffeta Sat 12-Jan-13 16:59:53

My DC went to a theatre production/beatboxing session at the South Bank 2 years ago and are still talking about it. They loved it, I've been looking for ages for something similar.

Nanny0gg Sat 12-Jan-13 17:00:18

Isn't it daft Blottedcopybook. Gets me every time too!

I'm currently training in early education, my placement is in an area of high social deprivation and I would bet my left arm that the kids I work with would LOVE the opportunity to participate in this kind of workshop. Much kudos to the headteacher of your school, OP. Thinking outside the box to expand children's educational horizons in a modern, engaging manner? Great stuff!

realcoalfire Sat 12-Jan-13 17:07:54

'I'm currently training in early education, my placement is in an area of high social deprivation and I would bet my left arm that the kids I work with would LOVE the opportunity to participate in this kind of workshop. Much kudos to the headteacher of your school, OP. Thinking outside the box to expand children's educational horizons in a modern, engaging manner? Great stuff! '

appealing to the lowest common denominator more like!

Ugh. Did you really mean to be so offensive? What a disgusting comment to make.

jamdonut Sat 12-Jan-13 17:43:25

Lowest common denominator? shock

So you think that is to be expected from schools in "deprived" areas?

The school I work at is in a "deprived area". Yes a lot of them would love this, but some of these "deprived" children are learning violin,flute,clarinet, drums and guitar.
The guitar group is huge...some on acoustic,some electric and some on bass guitar. But Ooh! Rock/pop music! Lowest common denominator?

We have a very good KS2 rock/pop band...

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 12-Jan-13 17:45:02

But it is music OP.

I think it's generally rubbish,but it is music.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 17:46:11

Purple

Well done

Galaxy

scaredy-cat! you can't express an opinion without explanation grin

pointythings Sat 12-Jan-13 17:47:43

Fabulous thread, nearly spat rice and curry all over my laptop because I was laughing so hard...

realcoalfire Sat 12-Jan-13 17:51:00

No you misunderstand me.Learning to play any musical instrument is admirable. Teaches discipline, focus, staying power , attention to detail, reading music ,thinking about a lot of things at once.It takes a lifetime to really master an instrument.Compare that to making those silly noises in a microphone which is basically nothing more than a bit of fun .Teachers should not be wasting money on this crap, but inspiring children to take up an instrument!

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 17:54:07

appealing to the lowest common denominator more like!

what a vile comment to make do you speak about all children like that or just the ones you deem common ,

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 17:55:14

but inspiring children to take up an instrument!

not all children can afford an instrument not all parents will spend time or comitment to a childs lessons, at least beatboxing is free and can be done alone,

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 17:55:56

not all children can be musicians MY dd is tone deaf she gave up lessons years ago she just wasn't getting it at all ,

manormuppet Sat 12-Jan-13 17:57:43

Even if you learn an instrument you can gain hugely from experimenting with rhythm and tempo from a whole variety of musical genres. And not everyone is lucky enough to be able to afford music lessons but the pleasure gained from performing should be open to everyone.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 17:59:36

realcoalfire

OK, I don't know enough about beat-boxing but

a) I think this workshop, or series of workshops is unlikely to nudg out all the other music in the school

b) Music in school isn't just about learning an instrument. Would you trash group singing in the same way as you are trashing beat-boxing?

c) I imagine the beat-boxing requires discipline, focus, perseverance, plus learning to use your voice in different ways

d) For children, interest in one discipline can be piqued by approaching it from another angle

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 18:01:21

manor

yes, I have no desire to learn an instrument, though I have always been aware of how the middle classes emphasise how admirable it is. OTOH, I love to sing, and to tap dance.

realcoalfire Sat 12-Jan-13 18:08:35

hmm, well I doubt it takes very long to master beatboxing, but maybe we'll have to agree to disagree.

a recorder is not expensive, neither is almost any instrument you buy second hand, and you can learn to play an instrument yourself without lessons!

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 18:10:55

I'm sure they play recorders in school as well.

This isn't about either/or

Piemother Sat 12-Jan-13 18:16:00

Yabu. A friend of mine has a brilliant career as a musician doing only beat boxing and spends his life travelling doing gigs. He leads an interesting and colourful life grin

Piemother Sat 12-Jan-13 18:16:22

Plus also I bet the kids live it!

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 18:18:19

I'm sure they play recorders in school as well.

This isn't about either/or

^ ^ this id imagine the beatboxing is a workshop thing lasting so many weeks , meh recorders realcoal they get that anyway as I said before not all children are musical and I have the sore ears at school concerts with terrible violin playing and how is a child supposed to teach themselves to play recorder or whatever ,

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 18:18:52

Piemother

Ah yes! But enjoying it is neither here nor there. They should be working hard to master the violin - something which takes a lifetime to master and sounds bloody awful in the early stages wink

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 18:19:17

DD1 play electric guitar she is a natural (biased) not all kids are like that

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 18:20:16

pooh - electric guitar? That sunds a bit "lowest common denominator" to me

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 12-Jan-13 18:21:44

sounds not sunds

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 18:23:38

should be classic spanish or something to have any merit grin

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 18:24:00

classical*

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 18:25:35

oh and second hand instruments cost a fortune well good ones anyway apart from the recorder or a triangle grin I passed a music shop today a second had clarinet £150 that isn't much of a bargain if you can't afford it

MrsDeVere Sat 12-Jan-13 18:32:08

well you can fuck right off with the 'lowest common denominator' <common>

And sweet Jesus, anything but the sodding recorder.

manormuppet Sat 12-Jan-13 18:35:21

Well said mrsd

HazeltheMcWitch Sat 12-Jan-13 18:41:45

realcoalfire Sat 12-Jan-13 18:08:35
hmm, well I doubt it takes very long to master beatboxing, but maybe we'll have to agree to disagree

Pleeeese coaly, please spend a couple of hours learning to beat box and upload the resulting talent to Youtube, so we can see if you're right?

Pooka Sat 12-Jan-13 18:42:46

realcoalfire have you seen the videos linked to above, including bea's one?

I can't imagine out have if you are prepared to say that it can't be that hard to master.

PickledApples Sat 12-Jan-13 18:56:42

grin Hazel
Tru Dat
<"Common Denominator">

this from around 6 minutes shows serious skill.

jamdonut Sat 12-Jan-13 19:25:54

realcoalfire -My daughter is considered G+T at Music. She began by learning flute at Primary school. (The same "Deprived Area" one that I work at).There were none available to hire, and we bought her first one on e-bay (new)for £75. Then we bought a more elaborate one 2nd hand for just over £100. When we realised that she was actually very good (her flute teacher told us) we somehow found the money to buy one for £500. (We were in deep shock at how much instruments were!!)
She taught herself to play the acoustic guitar.

She has her grade 5 theory exam (taken at age 14) and is expected A*at GCSE Music, and also achieve Grade 8 Flute by next year.
She expects to do Music at University, to become a Music Teacher herself.

She would be aghast to see people putting beat-boxing down as not proper music! One of her friends did this for her as backing at a school performance.

To say "it is just a bit of fun" - well...yes it is fun, but it is also teaching the basics of rythm, beat and also composition!

It sounds like you think music shouldn't be fun!

realcoalfire Sat 12-Jan-13 20:30:06

One of her friends did this for her as backing at a school performance.

Exactly.
This friend is going to do grade 8 beatboxing is she ?

realcoalfire Sat 12-Jan-13 20:32:15

travelincolour yes it is very entertaining and impressive, but why not play the drums?

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 20:39:08

what has grade 8 got to do with anything confused many rappers and 'urban musicians' ( sorry for trying to sound right on ) don't have grade 8 and beatbox and are musicians grade 8 is only worth while if you are going to be a classical musician or a music teacher,

mrsjay Sat 12-Jan-13 20:41:13

dd passed all her music exams at school has an advanced higher an A (scotland) in music playing frigging electric guitar and is now an audio engineer and music producer ( in training)

There was a boy in my music class for GCSE who could beatbox, he was absolutely amazing at it! It's a hell of a talent, and had the advantage of helping him with both singing and playing instruments, because he was incredibly good at listening and copying. He was damn good at picking up music without needing notation.

He could play the dhol too, and did it so well that I now love the sound of it.

In all honesty, thanks to the beatboxing his vocal range far surpassed the classically trained singers in our class. My singing teacher was impressed with him!

ginhag Sat 12-Jan-13 21:29:26

Gosh, it's all a bit like when Dylan went electric. I believe the world was going to end then, too...

<waits for some narrow-minded pillock to claim Dylan isn't 'proper' music>

I say old chaps, flip to the haterz and all that.

HazeltheMcWitch Sat 12-Jan-13 21:56:01

poster realcoalfire Sat 12-Jan-13 20:30:06
^One of her friends did this for her as backing at a school performance.
Exactly.
This friend is going to do grade 8 beatboxing is she ?^

I'm once again confuddled by your post. I played (piano) as backing for m friend at school. I DO have my Grade 8 Piano. And Flute.
But I can't beat-box. sad

inabeautifulplace Sat 12-Jan-13 22:00:16

"Exactly.
This friend is going to do grade 8 beatboxing is she ?"

A love of music is a lifelong gift. It inspires, motivates and comforts every second of every day. ANYTHING that helps a child feel involved with music is precious. Decades after the lessons, the exams and the certificates have been forgotten, the incredible emotions that music creates will be a source of joy.

YABU to deprive your child of this opportunity, because you are truly ignorant of what it could lead to.

Meglet Sat 12-Jan-13 22:18:50

Yabu. They have beatboxing on cbeebies now, so it must be officially, proper, naice music. I'm better at it than the DC's <<skill>>.

Anyway it will be a useful skill to fall back on, he could earn some pennies by 'busking'.

Euphemia Sat 12-Jan-13 23:06:49

Gosh, it's all a bit like when Dylan went electric

grin

realcoalfire Sun 13-Jan-13 11:53:55

It's different -Cbeebies is for tots,beatboxing is ok for them , 10 year olds should be aiming higher.

"10 year olds should be aiming higher."

Of course, no fun for 10 year olds. They're much too old for fun.

Taffeta Sun 13-Jan-13 12:02:25

Such misplaced outdated snobbishness!

KhallDrogo Sun 13-Jan-13 12:12:21

higher?

What do you mean by higher? How are you measuring height here?

You are surely on a wind up coal?

Moominsarehippos Sun 13-Jan-13 14:29:58

Maybe she meant -a- Higher - as in scottish exam system Highers (and O Grades). Aa in 'a Higher in Beatboxing'.

jamdonut Sun 13-Jan-13 14:30:42

realcoalfire...admittedly it was backing to the pop choir she is in charge of.

You seem to be one of these people that thinks if something is not for academic gain it not worth doing, and that doing something for fun is somehow letting standards drop.

Beatboxing could lead on to wanting to try other forms of making music or performing. Surely that is no bad thing.

realcoalfire Sun 13-Jan-13 15:41:43

jamdonut wrote ' You seem to be one of these people that thinks if something is not for academic gain it not worth doing'

if it were a brownie or a holiday scheme etc then I would think it was fine, but schools are about academic gain surely? they are 'up against it' financially, funds could have been much better used IMO

Taffeta Sun 13-Jan-13 15:50:27

School is about way more than academic gain.

Catsnotrats Sun 13-Jan-13 15:54:04

Do you actually know its costing the school? Often these sort of projects are free to schools and run by volunteers, if they do pay it is normally a couple of hundred pounds at the most. In the grand scheme of a school's budget it is tiny.

What about if they decided to teach Mongolian throat-singing instead, would that be high-brow enough for you? Because it is a very similar set of skills, just one comes from an exotic nomadic culture and the other from black urban youths.

realcoalfire Sun 13-Jan-13 16:03:02

The OP said it was being paid for by the school and it was 'several' sessions, not just a one off.
I have no idea what Mongolian throat singing is, but I don't think I would want them doing that either.

Catsnotrats Sun 13-Jan-13 16:11:57

Tbh I actually doubt she knows the details of the school music budget and is just assuming the school are paying for it.

Mongolian throat singing performed at the Proms in 2011. Maybe you should construct a list of acceptable and unacceptable musical forms for school children?

quoteunquote Sun 13-Jan-13 16:46:09

My friend's daughter is in the national youth orchestra, you have to best to get in, they all do it and have had workshops in beat boxing,

It's great fun, and also very useful to learn what ever type of musician you are.

pointythings Sun 13-Jan-13 16:47:04

Oh, but coalfire thinks it should all be 'naice' and 'classical', you know... She probably thinks Stomp - alternative percussion is stupid and 'beneath' children too. Despite the fact that these guys - and quite a few Beatbox artists too - are celebrated, win awards and make a very very good living out of their art. There is no point in engaging with snobs who want their DCs to learn last century's music.

If you think that this country's academic prowess should be celebrated, you are smoking crack. We have an appallingly low rate of school leavers going on to study maths, science, engineering etc compared to other more progressive countries. Compare our results and standards with Japan, Sweden - even China!

Pedagogy is a constantly evolving art and anything that raises interest in school gets the ok by me. You talk about school for educational attainment - am I the only person who remembers being bored out of my tits by teachers with no passion, no interest in their subject?

Also - you might be interested to look at studies showing the overall academic achievements of students at GCSE & A level when they have an arts subject in the mix compared to those who don't...

complexnumber Sun 13-Jan-13 17:32:15

"Compare our results and standards with Japan, Sweden - even China!"

UK Education sixth in global ranking

OK, I've compared them, what now? Looks pretty good to me.

Catsnotrats Sun 13-Jan-13 17:37:30

Pointy you are right. It did amuse me that despite being a snob realcoalfire didn't know about Mongolian throat singing. I learnt about it from an episode of Frasier where Miles (huge classical music fan and massive elitist) and Daphane can't agree on whether to go to a 4 hour throat singing concert or Billy Joel. Just proved nicely that they don't have a particularly extensive knowledge or understanding of music.

realcoalfire Sun 13-Jan-13 17:38:28

'Pedagogy is a constantly evolving art and anything that raises interest in school gets the ok by me. You talk about school for educational attainment - am I the only person who remembers being bored out of my tits by teachers with no passion, no interest in their subject? '

..and why should a teacher of this beatboxing be any more or less enthused by his subject than any other workshop teacher the school could have brought in?

realcoalfire Sun 13-Jan-13 17:44:48

So Mongolian throat singing is basically pretending to be a dalek and try to sing.

Complex - that report used data from many years before (iirc, a decade?) and mentions itself that educational standards rose sharply in the UK in the 90s and early 00s before (comparitively) levelling off. I reviewed a report in class last week which compared maths & science results at three stages and the UK was more than halfway down the table. I'll see if I can get the name of the report if you're interested.

realcoalfire - It's not about the beatboxing teacher being enthused, it's about the children being drawn in to a subject which they may have felt wasn't for them. We're talking about a handful of sessions during c.12 years of education, I'm genuinely surprised that parents have an issue with this opportunity.

Catsnotrats Sun 13-Jan-13 17:53:42

Yep and opera singing is just screeching at the top of your voice.

As a massive Frasier fan I can't believe I wrote Miles instead Niles. D'hoh!

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 13-Jan-13 17:57:46

I would love the OP to come back and tell us more about her school.

Realcoalfire is doing all the hard work here......

pointythings Sun 13-Jan-13 18:02:02

grin grin grin grin @catsnotrats - that pretty much sums up my attitude towards opera. I hate it. I won't listen to it. Why ruin a perfectly lovely piece of classical music with all that singing? Give me Sibelius, give me Brahms, give me Faure, and Grieg, and Rachmaninov and Bach. Okay, when it comes to Bach I like the singing - the Passions rock. I played classical piano growing up and loved it - not enough talent to make a living at it, though.

But I also like Stomp, and Beatbox, and prog rock and loads of other stuff. Some people on here don't seem to see that musical development is not a zero sum game.

"So Mongolian throat singing is basically pretending to be a dalek and try to sing."

Try to sing? Did you miss the fact it's called "throat singing". It is singing, just not the kind you are likely to hear in our culture.

JumpJockey Sun 13-Jan-13 20:01:26

The OP has my greatest sympathy. Why only last week the governess tried to teach little Mezzanine this modern-angled thing called a fortepiano! What's wrong with proper classical instruments like the harpsichord?

pointythings Sun 13-Jan-13 20:13:00

Yep, and of course a didgeridoo is just a primitive flute and so not worthy of any interest from us middle class types. Only Western music and culture of a certain era is of any worth, don't you know? That nice Mr Gove says that there is nothing better than Dryden, and he should know, since he is a journalist who couldn't cut it an expert in education with many years' experience in the field.

pointythings Sun 13-Jan-13 20:13:41

Arf @ 'Mezzanine'. Does he/she have a sibling called Mezzaluna?

JumpJockey Sun 13-Jan-13 20:29:09

No, but there is a French cousin called Mezzanononannette.

pointythings Sun 13-Jan-13 20:35:08

What about an Italian cousin called Mezzosoprano?

PickledApples Sun 13-Jan-13 20:37:17

I want to know how many posters on this thread have had a sneaky go at trying the odd ba-da-dum-dum-tisshhhh since reading this thread and some of the ignorant shite therein grin

I am also very hmm about the fact that cbeebies has had two beat boxing artists on this weekend - Zingzillas and Justin's house. I've watched that channel non stop for three years a fair amount and can hand-on-heart say that has never happened before. Interesting time for this thread to come about anyway.

Moominsarehippos Mon 14-Jan-13 07:38:49

My sister plays the digereedoo. Please moominsister, digereedont. She doesnt play very well. Its not a nice sound and not very musical if played badly.

RubyGates Mon 14-Jan-13 08:36:39

At best it will be an enjoyable day that enthuses and informs and teaches new skills.
At worst it will be a day that makes your DS cringe and feel uncomfortable (like all those "trendy" projects that our local "yoof" team used to make us attend in the name of social inclusion)

I never felt quite so uncomfortable as when I was made to do African Tribal dance it really made me feel completely culturally inappropriate, perhaps the same as if I were wearing a burka as part of a social experiment.

Either way it will be a valuable learning experience. YABU

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 14-Jan-13 11:32:49

I think it will go a long way to build confidence which is very important. I wish we had this when I was st school.

Word

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 14-Jan-13 11:43:17

It's all noise, noise noise nowadays.

I used to try and teach music to Y6 boys. I wish I'd the imagination to do something like this. We did African drumming once - they loved that.

Casserole Mon 14-Jan-13 12:25:19

I think it's a brilliant idea. So many boys especially become disengaged from school and learning because they don't see it has any relevance or point.

Anything, anything they can do to keep some of those children engaged with education is A-ok with me.

snowybrrr Mon 14-Jan-13 19:09:04

YANBU.Load of chavvy crao if you ask me.

BunFagFreddie Mon 14-Jan-13 19:31:02

I've seen people beatbox live although that was a few years ago now, and yes, I paid to see it. It's a real skill. Saying it's not proper music is snobbery. It's great to offer children more modern and engaing ways of learning subjects.

There are things my son likes that I don't understand, we just have to accept that we are sad old farts who use to be 'it', but now we don't even know what 'it' is anymore.

KhallDrogo Mon 14-Jan-13 20:12:49

snowy your opinion can be instantly dismissed, on account of using the word chavvy

JennyPiccolo Mon 14-Jan-13 20:21:32

If a kid is considering a career in music, there's more money to be found in hip hop than in more traditional genres.

bea Mon 14-Jan-13 20:41:27

OP! Where are you!? Come back and see if we've changed your mind? smile

icepole Tue 15-Jan-13 07:10:36

Please don't keep him off school. He will get so much more out of it than you think. Sessions like these can help build confidence, raise confidence in one area and you raise it across the board. If he enjoys it and gains new skills it will enhance his life. Might open up a new love for music or help to form or deepen friendships and it will be fun for him. Life should be fun, let him do it. He will be richer for it and so will you.

SilverBaubles33 Tue 15-Jan-13 12:32:42

I agree with the OP.

To my no doubt middle-aged ears it's not that far from making fart noises with your armpits.

My kids love it, both play mainstream instruments and sing for their school, so I don't think it will do any lasting damage.

Apparently Will Smith is brilliant at it. He could sway me..

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 15:43:16

UPDATE: Beatbox has been cancelled!

But I am sure if "Mumsnet Staines Massif" want to pay for their children privateley to experience this (as opposed to taxpayers' cash) there is now more availability ...

Fakebook Mon 28-Jan-13 15:44:08

Why so smug OhLori? Weirdo.

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 15:48:44

I'm not a weirddo Fake, just saying there is now more availability for MN Stains" Massif" to pay for privately for what they are so enthusiastic about ! lol!!!!!

And agree with SilverBaubles "armpit farts" summary! Just my opinion. As worthwhile as anyone elses BTW, though you wouldn't think it from MN Massif response to my original post. Just sayin'. Anyway feel free to pay for these private musical lessons for your children, good luck.

ithaka Mon 28-Jan-13 15:51:58

Why was it cancelled?

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 15:53:03

And ... ignoring the personal remarks once again ... I admit I am Sooo glad the Taxpayer in my local borough (thats the single CheckOut Supermarket Girl living in a Hostel) is not paying for such.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 28-Jan-13 15:53:17

Well, it's nice that you reduced our reasoned arguments to us being a "massif"

Good luck with secondary school in inner London. Distressingly multi-cultural.

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 15:59:26

There wasn't much reasoned arguments and alot of personal nastiness directed at me, so I make no apology there.

MN Massif is alive and kicking on several subjects, and if you don't "comply" well you have to take the personal shit.

ITs NOTHING to do with reasonableness IME, and I am talkind about threads in general.

But if you wanna pay for your child to learn BBoxing, and take private lessons which you are prepared to pay for, good luck, I would never pass comment. But I would eat my hat if any of the vociferous and angry posters did ... just sayin'...

Harriet35 Mon 28-Jan-13 16:01:07

I agree with the OP. "Beatboxing" requires no musical talent. They wouldn't teach it in a posh private school, or probably even a normal school out in the sticks, so why teach inner city kids this rubbish?

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 28-Jan-13 16:01:48

Not from me, mate. I was nice.

You seem a bit wound up about the school, and the borough.

Just saying

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 28-Jan-13 16:24:03

How did I miss this little gem of a thread.?
There really are a couple of rather narrowminded snobs on MN aren't there?

Absy Mon 28-Jan-13 16:31:07

Man this thread is amazing.

It's a good thing checkout girl living in hostel tax payer is not paying for bboxing lessons. IMAGINE THE OUTRAGE

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 16:36:10

She is paying for it, already.

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 16:37:24

Inverse snobbery and accusations of racism via multiculturasm, not really anything to do with my original post, but people like to do that anyway, has good personal insult value.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 28-Jan-13 16:39:45

OP

There were really very very few personal insult. Rather more of what you interpreted as such. No deletions, even though you obviously reported the thread to MNHQ. Reread it and you'll see.

Checkout girl probably doesn't reach tax threshold.

Absy Mon 28-Jan-13 16:45:41

Maybe it's time to take a break from the thread OP, if it's causing you this much angst.

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 16:53:25

She's still paying for it, tax threshold or not, because obviously its through the public purse (e.g. council tax). Who else is paying for it?

But you are right Absy I am going to take a break from rest of thread. But OTOH I did not want to take it lying down so to speak. I wanted to let people know that this is a democracy, and we all have a right to our views, without being personally insulted (and that includes on MN).

MrsDeVere Mon 28-Jan-13 16:55:01

Thank fuck for that.

Your children are safe for now.

Thanks be to Jesus and all the Saints.

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 17:33:02

dumb swearing clever (not) and not even funny, but if it makes you feel good to write turdish things no doubt AIBU is your true home.

oooh handbags OP

bowerbird Mon 28-Jan-13 19:39:02

OP, I think you've been given a hard time over your misgivings, and personally insulted (the word snob has been thrown around a lot) which is very unfortunate.

However, as a couple of posters have already said, this beatbox workshop does have real value. I'm a classically trained musician, and one of the key skills you have to learn, perhaps the hardest one to really really understand internally, is rhythm. Anything percussive that focusses on this is a good thing, not because it's "relevant" or "street" or "multiculti", but because it actually shows, very clearly, rhythmic progression and variety. There is a direct link from beatbox to rap music, which uses the voice percussively and whatever you might think of rap music (and I really hate some of the misogynistic rap), it's a major influence in modern music and to not understand this is to be ignorant, just as some would prefer to be ignorant about "last centuries music".

OP, I understand your initial reluctance, but please keep an open mind about this stuff. What might seem rubbish-y could actually be a great opportunity to ignite an interest in music.

MrsDeVere Mon 28-Jan-13 19:48:41

itz coz I iz from dah hood innit.

Cha.

You SO wanted to write shitty didn't you, gwan admit it. You just couldn't after telling me off for being norty.

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