to wonder why some women don't wear make-up(609 Posts)
I'm sure I will get flamed for this but -
I don't mean trowel it on every morning, 3 lots of foundations, eyeshadow, eyeliner etc.
I have quite good skin, so on a usual day I'll wear - mascara and a lipstick/glass. On a bad day I'll probably wear concealer too.
I think make up is about enhancing your features and making the best of them. Me after a sleepless night I look like a zombie, add some concealer and I look like a human being again.
I like to wear make up for me and not to impress my husband or friends or strangers. I just know that I look better when I'm wearing it.
Why should I?
Why do I need it?
I look lovely just as I am. [modest]
Because they don't want to? Looks aren't everything.
Quite possibly because they don't give a stuff about looking better. Or they are already stunning. Or a combination of both.
What a stupid question.
For the same reason some women do like to trowel it on.
Because it's their choice.
I look better with make up on but I cannot be arsed to wear it every day. I don't think I scare too many small children though.
Cos no amount of make up will make me look good. I will just look pathetic for even trying.
Because it isn't mandatory?
I hardly ever wear make-up. I'm not naturally beautiful or anything (quite the opposite!): it's a 50-50 spilt between not being very interested in make-up, and not being very good at putting it on. Mind you, I don't think I've blow-dried my hair in the last 10 years, so I'm probably just a scruff!
Because if rather have an extra 10 mins in bed.
Because I have better things to spend my money on.
Because it's none of your business.
Plus I've noticed that my friends who have always worn lots of makeup now look older than me, although some of them aren't. Could just be a coincidence though.
It's all subjective though isn't it? Some people might think you look like shit with your minimal make up, and you'd look better with false eyelashes and fake tan.
And I know I look better and have better skin because I don't wear it!
I'm mid 40's and very rarely wear make up.
I'll admit I'm naturally pretty with dark long eyelashes and olive skin so for me it's not necessary.
When I do wear it (which I do if I go out for an evening) I feel a bit like a clown. And... the crap that's on the cotton wool when I remove it is revolting! I wear very little when I go out by the way.
Everyone says I don't need it - but if I wore it everyday that's what people would be used to and I would look odd without it.
I'm very luck, I know that!
Why the fuck should they?
YABU as its really none of your concern.
I say that as someone who rarely leaves the house without make-up, has nail extenstions and loves clothes always dresses nicely.
its important to me but I understand that its not important to others.
It's called 'having a choice'. Also being an individual.
Some days I wear make up. Some days I don't. It is no one's business but mine and I can't say I have ever looked at someone else and thought 'oooh she could do with a bit of foundation and lippy' - ever in my life.
Because I'm crap at applying it and end up looking like a clown.
Because most of it makes my skin itchy.
Because I'd rather spend my money on luxuries such as food.
I am blonde, and without make up I look like I have no eyebrows or eyelashes. I also have very dark circles under my eyes that I cover
unsuccessfully . Friends of mine with dark eyelashes and eyebrows look the same with or without make up, so rarely bother.
Also, some people hate the feel of it on their face or have very sensitive skin.
It's personal choice. I don't understand why anyone would want to wear make up everyday.
Does you DH wear makeup? Why not? Doesn't he feel the need to enhance his features and make the best of them?
Do you normally consider it strange or confusing when others don't do exactly as you choose to?
Who made you the benchmark for all that makes women look good?
I don't wear it day to day because I'm terrible at applying it. The base always ends up making my skin look dry, mascara (regardless of any marketing claims) always ends up in dark circles under my eyes and lipstick/gloss disappears within 5 minutes.
I probably should start to wear it more regularly particularly as I have been told when I wear it that I 'scrub up well'.
I dont wear it because I have 4 daughters and I dont want the example I set them to be "your real, natural face isnt good enough to be seen in public"
Because I don't want to or feel I need to. Same goes with my natural grey highlights.
i very rarely wear make up.
when i was younger i would wear it for clubbing, but never foundation.
i wear it occasionally now when i'm dancing on stage.
i never wear it day to day.
just don't need to, i'm gorgeous as it is.
I can suggest some worthwhile hobbies for you as this one is shit
Do you wonder the same thing about men not wearing makeup? If not why do you think women should wear it?
Because I already have a face, I don't need to spend shitloads of money on a new, painted on one.
Because this is how I look by default - I haven't opted out, make-up wearers opt in.
Because I think it perpetuates inequality.
Because it's my choice, just like it's yours to wear make-up.
Because I'm naturally beautiful [lies].
I never wear make up. Just can't be arsed tbh. I think is important to be clean and presentable. I can't be bothered with fashion either. These things just hold no interest for me.
YAB very unimaginative if you have to wonder why they don't.
There are lots of things that some people do and others don't.
Because we haven't drunk the fashion magazine kool aid that is telling us that we prefer ourselves that way when in reality it's the fashion magazine kool aid that told us we had to do it.
Also, I can't be arsed any more. Such a faff. Always running. Always needing buying. Who has time for that shit?
I dont feel like it enhanced my features, it makes my skin feel dry and itchy.
not a trace.
that picture was 4 years ago
I don't wear make up because when I did I hated the fact that I spent half my time feeling I looked ok and the rest of the time (ie when bare faced) feeling that I looked rubbish. I only felt like that because I saw the contrast every day. Now that I've spent over a decade seeing the exact same version of myself in the mirror every day, I'm quite happy with how I look because I'm used to it. It only took a few months to get to that point.
Personally I'm unable to grasp the idea of wearing makeup just for myself and not to impress others. (I'm not arguing with you, just saying I can't personally identify with that mindset). I know what I look like - wearing make up doesn't make me feel better about myself, it makes me feel worse. To me the only potential benefit would be to impress other people but I simply don't care enough.
YANBU to wonder, though. I wonder why people do wear it (Why do they bother? Isn't it annoying not being able to rub your eyes or wear a white scarf? Isn't it a chore having to take it off every night?) We're all different.
And I dont have the time (although I do have my eyelashes permed and tinted as a treat to myself)
I just cant be arsed so i dont bother.
Wear make up if you wish but to me it is a waste of time and money.
Because it messes with my very, very dry skin something fierce. I do look better with it on, but I hate how it feels and I hate how my skin itches and I just cannot be bothered with it anymore.
You do realise this is probably not a good thread to start on a Friday when some may have already opened the wine?
I hate the feel of foundation on my skin.
I do usually wear a bit of make-up - a bit of eye shadow, mascara, some powder on my shiny nose and some lippy. But a lot of the time I can't be arsed. I know I'm no oil painting with or without make-up, so it's just a case of polishing the turd, as it were.
Anyway, why should I? Why should women have to spend time and money piling gunk on their face when men aren't expected to.
oh I envy people who don't have to
but I look in need of a visit to the gp if I don't wear any
Is this a serious question or are you just canvassing opinions?
Perhaps they don't want to? Don't feel they need to? Would rather not smear so many chemicals on their face?
I wear a touch of makeup to stop me looking so washed out and crappy, but yesterday I couldn't be arsed plus most of my makeup has dried up, so dropped DD off at nursery and went shopping minus any slap at all. When I got home, DH told me I looked really healthy and glowing. I have to admit, I was gobsmacked. The man rarely pays me compliments, not because he is a knob or anything just he doesn't really notice stuff like make up or clothes or anything like that.
What does it have to do with you? Seriously not being aggressive. It just wouldn't occur to me to notice if someone else had coloured in their own face .
Personally I don't because I can't be arsed. I should though because I look a million times better with some bb cream and lipgloss and it takes about 2 minutes to apply.
Also you might look better with make up, other woman might not.
Why the hell do I want to 'make the best of my features' when I'm doing the school run, then going shopping, then coming home to clean? I would rather spend the 10 minutes it would take to put some make-up on having a coffee, thats more likely to make me feel human than a bit of concealer and mascara that I won't be looking at anyway.
Personally I wouldn't be seen dead without slap on but each to their own.
Very funny to read some posters describing themselves as 'very pretty' though.. They must be hilarious to know in real life.
Oh god, I didn't realise we HAD to!
I won't paint myself on daily basis. I do succumb to pressure to paint myself if I'm going somewhere special though, or if someone is coming round who I don't know very well less about decorating myself and more about some sort of armour I think
Have you SEEN some of the ways in which women decorate themselves throughout the world? No thanks. Not for me.
I like my face the way it is, and am happy with my au natrel look.
There's a whole wide world of choice out there beyond your experiences; is it that inconceivable to you that others prefer things differently?
Also, what publication is this for? Just so I can look for the article...
Because they don't want to.
Some people don't need to.
I have always had great skin, it has never needed paint slathered over it to look smooth. I also have quite dramatic colouring - very pale skin with dark eyes, brows and lashes.
I don't need chemical enhancement.
I'm sure it's very nice that you feel better wearing makeup. Some women don't.
Until I see men wearing makeup every day, I'll continue to exercise my right to do whatever the fuck I want.
Because I really can't be arsed.
I do on special occasions, but since week days aren't special occasions I don't bother.
thebody - I'm not pretty.
I have a face like a bulldog sucking piss off a nettle, frankly.
who was it who said about make up that if you're pretty you don't need it and if you're ugly, it ain't going to help
I don't wear it because:
I never got into the habit when I was younger
I don't like the feeling on my face
I can't afford it
I don't look like me with it on
I am terrible at putting it on..end up looking like a clown! I have no idea what I'm doing
I feel fake
By the way I am not attractive and avoid mirrors.
I see this is your first post.
Did you actually register with MN in order to ask this
totally vacuous question?
Or are you a journo writing a dull article in a dull magazine?
Or did you namechange so that no-one realises you have so much time on your hands?
Can't be bothered... Putting it on or taking it off. But I must say this is a recent development, since I became the mother of two under three. Maybe once they're
at university a bit bigger I'll did it out again.
Do love a bit of black eyeliner..
I don't really "get" makeup. I've worn it, but I can't see the attraction. It's a pain to put on, feels weird, and a pain to take off. I can't be bothered with it.
I was trying to avoid putting my feminist hat on because I tend to get grumpy when I do but yes, also because I tend to subscribe to the viewpoint that if the boys aren't expected to do something it's a sh*t idea and I immediately want to do the complete opposite.
I just can't be arsed. My husband doesn't care if I do or don't wear makeup, my toddler son doesn't know the difference. My 6-day old son only has eyes for my boobs. It would be a total waste of money, time and effort.
When I worked full time, I wore quite a lot every day. Then I got pregnant. Can't be bothered now.
Now I only bother when I go out and even then I don't like to, in case DH wants to have sex with me
I hardly know anyone who wears makeup on a daily basis. it's a bit old fashioned isn't it? Nothing wrong with that, but makes me think of my old mum "putting her face on". Not for me.
Because I don't have time in the morning
Because I can't afford make up
Because I'm really cack handed & end up looking lopsided
Because why polish a turd
Because I can't be arsed
Because there are more important things to worry about.
Hope this helps!
Really? Why do people go unicycling? Swinging? Play bassoon? Eat horsemeat? I don't do any of them things but I don't give a monkeys chuff why anyone else would or wouldn't.
Ooh Pascha. I didn't know you had a new baby. Congratulations.
I can't be arsed. I brush my hair and teeth and get dressed in the morning, that's enough excitement for me.
Plus, I can only see my face if I look in a mirror, couldn't care a less what the rest of the world thinks.
As a side point, I don't agree that 'naturally pretty' always equates to those with dark eyelashes, dark eyes and olive skin. Some people are naturally pretty even with different colouring and won't need make up either. Some people are pretty others are not quite so (not that it matters) but IMO that has nothing to do with possessing darker colouring or not.
I think its weirder to be expected to wear it. YABU.
It doesn't make you look better, if you don't know how to apply it.
What is this 'better' anyway?
It can actually prematurely age your skin.
Its time consuming.
I'd rather just be me and accepted for me being me.
Because most days I can't be arsed. My toddler doesn't appreciate it, nor does my 9mo.
By the time DH gets in, then any make up that I put on in the morning is usually half off anyway.
And for me, I always break out in sore, angry spots without a head when I've worn it.
Haven't read the thread yet but instinctive response is because I look better without. My skin looks the colour it is supposed to look, my skin isn't matt, it's just me. Will go back and read it now.
If I feel like wearing make up I will.
Most of the time I really can't be bothered. My skin is OK. If I do wear make up it's to cover up tiredness, but again, only if I'd rather not look knackered.
Actually I think the amount and style of makeup many people are using these days is verging on downright freaky. Massive false eyelashes for everyday wear etc. it's like a mask, many women actually look much better with either minimal or no make up. I only wear it on the odd occasion usually at night. Makes me feel like a different person. I don't understand folk wearing a lot of everyday makeup when they have babies and young children - don't you smear it all over them. Was always kissing my lot and rubbing cheeks/ faces together etc.
Also do men look peaky, washed out etc as they don't wear it?
I get a bit annoyed at the insinuation that people who wear make-up are vain or have too much time on their hands.
Even when I had 3 DC under 2 yo (twins) I could still find time to put on a bit of make-up.
Its horses for courses. Some wear it, some don't. Neither is better than the other and I don't understand the occaisional sneeriness at people who choose to wear make-up etc.
For the same reason most men don't wear make up.
I feel great without it. Why would I spend money, time and effort on it?
Because 99% of the time I don't actually care what I look like (to a certain extent- I wouldn't want to go out with a big bit of food between my teeth or a drawing someone had done on my face whilst I was asleep but you get my drift).
The 1% of the time that I do care (weddings, meals out at posh restaurants etc), I want to look prettier than every day me, which is when make up is useful to me.
You know, the fact that I am accepted the way I am, without pretending to look different, makes me feel less self conscious and more secure.
I used to have severe acne and wore shit loads of make up. If I was unlucky enough to get it back, I am sure I would wear make up again. IMO Make up is to cover your face, cover the real you - why? For me it was because of poor skin. I was embarrassed of me. I'm not any more and that is liberating.
Sometimes I wear makeup, sometimes I don't. The world doesn't seem to respond any differently to me as a result. My friends and family and colleagues don't treat me any differently. And I don't feel any different. So it really doesn't seem that important.
Of all the regrets I'll have on my death-bed, I guarantee that "I wish I'd worn more lippy" will NOT be on the list.
OP. YABVVU. And shallow.
I wear concealer every day, largely because I get stupid hormonal breakouts along my jawline, and because I inherited knackered Neopolitan eyes.
Because I can't be bothered.
I only wear makeup if I'm going out. I find it all a bit tedious for everyday.
But Hillary has lipstick on in the no make up picture!
I wear make up every day because I prefer how I look that way. I feel more awake, confident and happier. That may be sad, but there are worse habits and it works for me.
I wear very little, a bit of concealer, eyeliner and mascara.
Otherwise I look like shit and a bit zombieish.
But it is personal choice
No one looks at my
fucking gorgeous face because my rack is so spectacular.
MrsWolowitz , I'm fairly sure the ruder comments about make-up wearing on this thread are intended as swipes at the OP rather than all make-up wearers. I'm happy that you could find time to put some on when you had small children. Most of us can find a few minutes here or there to do something we feel is important. To you, make-up. To me, a Sudoku puzzle. To her over there, a few pages of a novel. Whose use of their precious few minutes is more worthy? Why, none of them.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
About Hilary, I mean: I thought her lips were suspiciously bright to be au naturel.
Not that you shouldn't wear make-up if you want to
Men don't wear make-up...do you wonder about them?
OP you claim to look like a human being when you wear it...so do those of us who don't not look human somehow?
You also claim to wear it for you, because you look better with it. Only because you can aspire to the highly unfair standards the media and fashion industry have set.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I think my answer is just because not all women are the same.
People don't ask why don't all men do XYZ so much do they ? People realise that there are all sorts of different men in the world.
It's the same with women !
< that's a natural, unadorned smile BTW ! >
Because I'm more or less happy with my face the way it is.
I'm not sure why I would need my features 'enhanced'. My eyes look like eyes. My nose looks like a nose. All the other expected parts are in roughly the expected place.
I'm lucky enough that my face is 'normal' looking, by which I mean that the features are as would be expected by someone meeting me for the first time. What more is there I need to do?
I never used to wear make-up but I got so fed up with people telling me I looked "really pale" that I started wearing it. I have a really rare type of anemia so looking like a ghost is something I can't avoid.
I then got fed up of wearing the stuff because my skin was so much happier without a layer of slap on it that I stopped wearing it until I had my son because not only did I look like a ghost I had bags to contend with, so now I wear the bare min to make me look a little less undead.
I don't wear make up every day because I don't need to.
I am pretty enough without. I have pretty big eyes and good skin, lovely thick and long eyelashs. Normal nose but my lips are a little thin maybe.
I look better with some eye liner and a little bit of brown eyeshadow to really make a feature of my eyes, but I really don't need to wear make up every day.
I also can't be bothered and when I'm tired I hate having stuff on my eyes.
I look nicer without than a lot of women who plaster themselves in make up every day.
You wear make up. You look better. Good for you.
I just can't be bothered. Plus I wear a face mask half the day and I would break out in spots plus have a lovely half on half off look as I sweat under the mask. I never have worn makeup apart from on wedding day and as a teenager when I seemed to be training for a job as a plasterer.
Also I'm Angelina Jolie level of stunning.
I wear make up when i am at work or when i am going out. On days like today which involved housework and dog walking - no way. Same with my hair - in public perfectly coiffed, in the house like Worzel Gummidge (hats and drizzle make for bad hair!). I do look much nicer with make up and nice hair though. I will admit that.
Hecate, love tour bulldog expression and I bet your a cracker.
No. I would hate to feel like I couldn't step out of the door without make up. I hate the feel of foundation and powder on my face all day. I would rather have the extra time in bed. It does not mean I am scruffy. My hair and clothes are always clean and smart. I actually think if you wear make up all the time the sun can never get to your face and you end up looking pale without it. Then you put more make up on to make yourself look better so it is a bit of a vicious circle
Also if I save it for special occasions then I look like I have made an extra special effort whereas if you wear it all the time then you don't really look any different
I admire any woman who can go out without feeling they don't need to put on make-up, that's not being sarcastic, I really do!
I look like Mrs Potato Face before you start assembling the features, I have a very 'blah' face, make up makes me feel better when I put stuff on it.
Each to their own I say.
Mostly I can't be arsed. I'd rather have extra time in bed. My skin is pretty good really, so I'll wear BB cream during the daytime sometimes if I have had a bad sleep and some concealer if I have a spot. I'll ocassionally put on some mascara.
I do wear make up when I go out. I'll make a bit more of an effort.
TheSecondComing no I'm not ok. If you bothered to read the other thread then you'd know why. Don't swear at me I don't like it.
Is this thread for real?
When I was in school, one day we had a conversation about make-up. One of the other sixth form girls commented how lucky I was that I didn't feel I had to wear make-up every day. A couple of others agreed that they felt a bit trapped that they couldn't ever go out without it because nobody knew what they really looked like. One confessed to hiding when a friend came round as she hadn't "put her face on" and just couldn't make herself answer the door.
Needless to say this made quite a strong impression. I very rarely wear make-up now, but used to enjoy putting a bit on to go out when younger. But I've always been wary of getting to the stage where you can't go without.
Make-up is fun, creative, a nice treat for yourself and interesting to play with, all the while it's not compulsory. If it's an integral part of your image/personal style, I can see how daily make-up would be important to you feeling good - it's not part of mine, but I can see how it might be. But hiding behind the sofa from a close friend is just wrong IMO.
MrsWolowitz I have no idea what you are talking about but you can't expect people interacting with you on one thread to have read other threads that you are n and remember your name and circumstances.
My skin is quite pink on my face especially on my nose and chin. So i do wear foundation, very lightly. I use a little blusher, lipstick and mascara (have small eyes!) and I feel better. I do it for me.
I do look at my sisters and think why don't you put some on, they always comment and say I look fresh. I tell them 'Just put some make up on then!!'
Yes OP, I agree it could make a lot of people feel better about themselves.
And... it's also the choice they take.
I would imagine that some women don't wear make-up for two reasons:
a) They don't want to.
b) They think they look nice without it.
Now OP, you might think that you look alright/wear enough makeup, some might think that you could do with a bit or a lot more and might ask themselves, why doesn't OP wear more makeup?
You see... it's an eternal question, hours of endless fun when you start comparing what you do with what others do/don't do.
Strange some people have said that those who use it look older. I have noticed amongst friends I've know since infant school ( 51 years ago) that the make up wearers have much nicer skin than those that don't - i think it protects from the sun and prevents sking drying out, or maybe the make up wearers don't go outside in the sun so much.
Trills why are you involved? I responded to a question.
The second coming asked me a question and mentioned another thread in which I explained things that were relevant to that thread.
You have not been mentioned at all.
thebody, I wish that that were true, but tbh, I look like someone has set fire to andrew lloyd webber's face and put it out by hitting him with a large stick covered in poison ivy.
I was not blessed with what you'd call a pretty face.
I wear make-up almost daily. I love make-up. I am quite possibly vain. I don't care if anyone has a problem with that.
However, I have loads of friends who couldn't give a shiny shit about make-up, and that's fine too.
My preference makes me happy, their preferences make them happy. That's it. No great mystery.
I wear it.
If you are pretty ,and you apply it well you will still look better
Make up is there to enhance features, not give you totally new ones!
There isn't anyone over 15 who doesn't look better with a touch of mascara/lip gloss!
I rarely wear makeup, in fact I possess very little because I'm happy with how I look and if others don't like it they can
bloody well look the other way.
Why should I? IMO it is a waste of time and money.
Why don't most men wear make up?
I wear more now than when I was younger, I'm in my late forties and every little helps!
YABU. I can't see why I should wear make up every day.
I wear it most days.
I actually find that a bit of foundation protects my skin.
I have worn makeup since I was a young teen. There was a time when i wouldn't go anywhere without it. It was the 80s and makeup was very heavy. It was definitely a mask to hide behind then.
Now it isn't. I like wearing it, it doesn't take me long after over 30 years of practice. I look better with it.
But I will happily leave the house without it.
I don't think I would like to go to work without it but I find dressing a certain way and putting makeup on helps me face the world. It isn't about looking like a 'proper' women by a long stretch.
Just one of many coping strategies.
OK, after 5 pages of discussion, is the OP ready to come back and tell us whether she now understands why some women don't wear make-up?
No, of course not, silly me.
I love this thread for IThinkOfHappy and Hecate's comments.
I don't apply makeup all the time because I don't have the energy and have much better things to
waste spend my time doing.
I'm a young professional who wears makeup for work, socialising etc. and with a 14yr old dd and a 5 week old ds at home, makeup is low on my list of priorities when I'm at home.
Sugarrice - there's 'need' and 'need'. I'm sure plenty of people would think I 'need' make up because I'm not great looker and they'd think I looked 'better' (I define 'better' as closer to magazine/media accepted norms). It's not really a matter of feeling like I don't need to - I just don't think about it at all. Do you think you 'need', I dunno, a boob job, or a nose job, or liposuction, or hair extensions or whatever? Probably not, and it's probably not a conscious decision, it's probably more that you haven't given it much thought one way or another. Because you haven't subscribed to that level of appearance expectation. It's kind of like that.
I do think you wanted to rile up teh MN ladies OP
YABU of course. Why should it be mandatory for all women to wear paint in the face all the time, or ever even? I'm not complaining about all blokes not wearing green nailpolish or coloured beards or whatever.
I do wear make up but I am having a hard time explaining to DD (9) why I want to do it and why it is Ok for me but not for a child. I think she gets that it makes her look too much older and isn't appropriate, but it can make you stop and think when asked the way children do.
As an aside DS and I had a conversation around this - he cam in part way through where I commented that I heard somewhere that women who do not wear makeup to work are less likely to be promoted. He totally thought that was absolute bollo* and I agree with him really.
(not that I am likely to go to work without a small amount of makeup on.
Yabu, my whole family makes up every morning, my baby looks great with mascara and dh's cheekbones are to die for with a bit of bronzer.
I am not ashamed of my face that I need to cover it in artificial stuff during the day or for work.
On the rare nights out I may give it ago but not always as depends on venue. I consider it a dress up thing not an everyday wear thing so posh frocks = make up.
Life is not about looks/fashion but about fun, kindness and enjoying yourself.
I never bother as I feel it perpetuates inequality as people have mentioned above. Also I'm bloody lazy. And I generally think people look much better without makeup.
I never ever wear it unless I am going somewhere special when I use a bit of eyeshadow and some lipstick.I have never worn makeup daily not even in my teens.my skin is soft and unblemished.I feel sticky and dirty with stuff on my face.
interestingly my dd is the same-she is 38.
Oh and I am a lazy cow who rarely brushes her and just ties it up so painting my face is just not going to happen
Hair that should have had 'hair' in their!
I wear it to go to work but if I don't do anything special I am make up free.
I am not ashamed of my face either, just prefer to 'enhance' it!
AIBU to not like ugly people? Well? Am I?
Is that what you mean?
OP, I can be bothered to wear make up every day. I know I look better with it, but look at it this way, the more you wear, the more you have to wear, because you will be so paranoid about people seeing you au naturel.
because I am stunning as I am I dont need my features enhanced as I would probably stun folk with my beauty and it isn't fair on the ugly
in other words mind your dont be so twee and sterotypical if you like your make up then fine but don't expect all women to conform to add to their 'features' or whatever it is you meant
Hecate I have copied out your expressions for future use. Laughed out loud at the Webber comment as did my dd.
Always to work but never to tennis.
Tally -ho! Love make up!
how did you get my picture mardy <humph> will need to change profile settings now
I can't leave the house without a dab of foundation. Just because I do it I don't expect every other woman to wear make up all the time. Although I do openly admit that I judge women with visible random crusty spots on their face that can be easily concealed.
Young women really don't need to wear makeup and they should celebrate their beautiful youthful skin.
I am 35, with bad skin and plain, so I need it.
You don't need it Freddie. But it's fine that you choose to use it.
Thank jiggins we live in 2013 & have wonderful formulations now..things have moved on from Panstick & block mascara.
I don't wear makeup because it irritates my eczema and I look like I'm shedding my skin. plus I can't be arsed.
sometimes on a night out, I sacrifice my skin to wear makeup but it's rare.
I look fifty times 'better' with makeup. My skin's blotchy, I have blue-black circles under my eyes, my features are getting fuzzy with age. But there's more to me than my skin tone! I would feel contemptuous of anyone who preferred me with makeup.
Luckily, it's never happened Not that many RL people judge a person by how closely they approximate an airbrushed picture of a 17-year-old model.
I don't wear makeup because I don't see the need or point of it.
For me, makeup is a waste of time and money. I don't want to smear stinky paint on my face, I just want to look like myself.
My skin is average, I am plain. I could not care less what anybody thinks of my face. I do care that my DD and to a lesser extent my DS understand that you can go out and show your face without having to make it prettier with paint.
I am perfectly happy for other people to wear makeup if they enjoy it.
My DH isn't keen either, he prefers to kiss my lips, not gloss or lipstick. He also doesn't like wasting time just like me. We get up and go!
because i am yet to find anything which i am NOT allergic to....and tbh i have other shit to fry.
I hate seeing girls with their young glowing skins caking themselves with foundation, or the women at the Boots makeup counters who IMO look awful.
Less is more, I didn't bother when I was younger but I do use concealer now as I look old and tired without it, and I do like mascara and an eye pencil.
I've never ever worn lipstick because I always hated the taste of it on my lips.
because I always have better things to do day-to-day , hate the feel of lipstick, look silly in it and can't be bothered with eyeshadow that vanishes in two hours. I have long dark lashes and don't need mascara. Don't have spots any more so no need for concealer.
I do wear it for special occasions but only enough to smooth things out, I think if it is obvious, it looks silly.
if women want to wear it, fine - but for anyone to be so lacking in self-esteem that they won't go out of the door without it does hit my 'not worth the vote' button. I would except those who have scars or birthmarks and wear it to deflect ill-bred stares - but equally if I see someone with a scar or a birthmark I don't think 'why haven't you covered that up?'
I would agree I look better with it. I definitely feel more confident with it on and I notice people's attitude towards me is different when I do (probably in my head). However, reasons for not doing it are that:
I am always too tired in the morning to put it on (always)
I have a 2 yr old and 3 yr old who are just looking for new things to make mischief with
My DH does not love me for my looks and does not even notice most of the time.
In general I am happy as I am.
Not sure what y'all got planned for the time it takes to put a bit of make up on. You're not going to be cooking a meal or knitting a tea cosy. Ten mins, max. for the daytime.
I'm not a big makeup wearer, but I do like the fact that I can change how I look with it, and that's quite fun.
I've got sleeping planned for those 10 mins dischordant
there is nothing wrong with wearing make up at all but to ask why other women don't wear it is condescending at best
MNing, putting the kettle on .....
I have grey hair and wear no makeup - and got compliments from several men who I'd not seen in years today. Nuff said.
So did my mate who is older and greyer but even fitter than me ....
Because I don't have the time to put it on and take it off everyday, I barely fit everything else in that I have to do anyway. Plus I dont want to either! I do wear some if we go somewhere nice in the evening though.
The cost, it's far too expensive to be affordable. That and not believing the catch phrase for the L'oreal adverts.
I am 42, my skin is 42 - I can not be arsed faffing around with make up everyday. I don't 'need' it ...who does!
it also makes my skin feel claggy and dirty
I wear it but only in the day since I turned 40. I love how it makes me feel and am definitely prettier with it.
I am a professional independent woman and consider myself a feminist.
It's not always a negative thing either. I did theatre make up as part of my performing arts course years ago and now work with highly vulnerable clients. I have on more than one occasion helped a woman learn about applying make up which has greatly improved their confidence and outlook on life.
Superficial yes but effective too.
I have started wearing BB cream during the day if im out it seems to even me out
have on more than one occasion helped a woman learn about applying make up which has greatly improved their confidence and outlook on life.
fair point ledkr
I've also got lots of scars/blemishes from acne. It just makes me feel better.
Re time to apply my tip is keep it downstairs. I put mine on in the window whilst dds eat breakfast and I drink my coffee.
Because they are allergic to it (even to hypoallergenic brands)
My dd wears make Up I have nothing against it at all I just think it is a bit to ask why other women dont IYSWIM . I have to do a I dont think so with dd2 though she would go out caked with a foundation line so if you are going to wear it learning to put it on properly is certainly an advatage
ledkr, that's a great thing that you are you doing.
I rarely wear makeup because I can't be arsed to put it on and I CERTAINLY can't be arsed to take it off again.
I shower, I wash my teeth and sometimes I brush my hair. Life is too short to spend time putting on makeup. Whatever ever happened to Feminism .....?
One may be a pigs ear but one cannot be arsed to try and make oneself in to a silk purse.
Wonders how many mnetters know that old saying
hink make up is about enhancing your features and making the best of them. Me after a sleepless night I look like a zombie, add some concealer and I look like a human being again.
no a human looks like a human. humans aren't born with makeup, do men look like humans with out makeup?
I like to wear make up for me and not to impress my husband or friends orstrangers. I just know that I look better when I'm wearing it.
no you think you do because society has told you you do.
you're a bit tragic really aren't you
Don't know about any other women, but I remember watching some programme decades ago about the visual cues for youth, sexual arousal and some other odd bits and bobs, and can't un-know it now. Feels a bit odd putting loads of makeup on thinking, "and now I'm imitating a 12 year old... and now I'm pretending to be flushed about..." etc etc.
Oi, don't call the lady names!
I don't wear make up because I find all make up irritating on my face.
I find that most women look better without make up anyway.
Fortunately I live in a country wear it is not expected that I wear make up.
And I also don't wear it because I have better things to spend my money on.
Aw thanks dizzy
picadilly I wear it predominantly because it makes me look and feel better but sometimes if we are going out and I've put some on my dh will look at me and say "you look nice" I like that.
I am far from tragic!
Before you say he should say that anyway he does too even when I don't.
Nothing wrong with feeling nice IMO
I am really happy about all the non make up wearers, makes me feel less alone.
I don't wear it in my daily life because it makes my face itch. I have to wear it for my part time job and even then I take it off as soon as I can.
I actually love collecting eyeshadows and eyeliners though, the colours are so pretty, I just barely use them!
Because as a teenager i had such bad eczema that it was madness to put anything on my face than might exacerbate the (already unsettling) Elephant Man look.
Because haveing grown out of that eczema (though my hands are a different matter) I have no wish to make it flare up again.
Because I didn't learn to apply it in my teens, and my errors as I learned would be so much more marked now I am older.
Because, frankly, I'm not one of those people that people look at very much, and I like it that way.
Society also tells me to be skinny- I'm not. Tells me to wear heels- I don't tells me to stay young- I couldn't give a fig.
I like my eyes to look sparky sometimes and my skiin not show the marks and my lips glossy and not dry. That's ok isn't it?
I also agree that it's fine not to wear it too.
If my male colleagues do not feel the need to enhance their features to feel good about themselves, I don't see why I should have to. We do the same job and make the same contribution to society. If that's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. If the world can cope with their unenhanced features, then it can jolly well cope with mine.
But I'm perfectly happy for my dd to wear makeup if she wants too. As long as she is not wearing it for fear somebody would wonder why she didn't.
Well, there's a good question, cory. If you see a man in full makeup walking down the street, who would think 'coo, look at his beautifully enhanced features' and who would think 'blimey, someone's overdone the panic this morning'?
Why should that not apply to women as well? We are used to seeing women made up now, but surely what you're actually looking at is just as odd as looking at a man doing the same thing?
I don't always bother with it but for me, without it I feel a little like a man who hasnt bothered to shave. Not a crime, but I do feel unkempt. There are times when I'm happy to be that way - but not often.
Some women look great without any makeup but I think even the smallest amount properly applied can improve most women and for me, it makes a statement of 'I made an effort'. Now I'm happy to go to a friend's house for coffee without making that statement but I wouldn't dream of meeting a work client without some form of makeup.
I don't really wear any make up most days.
Masacara every single day? What a faff!
Because, despite not being beautiful, I am good enough.
Because I am a human being, not a decorative item.
Because I get more pleasure from 100 better ways to spend that money.
Because my looks are not what is important about me, and I woukd prefer to be judged on something else.
Because I am not interested in looking 'better', there is nothing actually wrong with normal, aging, female skin.
ere isn't anyone over 15 who doesn't look better with a touch of mascara/lip gloss!
um bollocks to that feminine. think it through,how many men do you meet if only he was wearing eye liner. its a norm in society now, but its not really, the was having freakishly small feet or a long neck is prised in other countries.
to whoever to the piss out of the women daring to call themselves pretty up thread. what is your problem? in a world rife with women with low self esteem and anorexia on the rise, I think its fantastic some women can feel good about themselves. would you equally expect a woman to say she wasn't intelligent, or good at her job?
Are the men doing it?
That's because it's patriarchal bullshit that women only look presentable when covered in slap.
And, if course a multi billion dollar industry....(run by men...)
'Cos I'm lazy. I wear a small amount sometimes, when going out, and I suppose I do look marginally better. But I feel no need to wear it every day.
When I was younger I did a very little bit of acting and modelling work and you wouldn't BELIEVE the amount of make-up trowelled on my early-20s face in order to make me look not really very made-up for the camera. So-o-o-o boring.
The only makeup I wear on anything approaching a regular basis is lip gloss, unless tinted moisturiser counts as well. Sometimes foundation.
I'm 35. I look it. No older, probably no younger. I have no objections whatsoever to looking it.
I am no stunner but I look fine. I am warm, intelligent, friendly and it shines through. That makes me pleasant and engaging to look at.
When I make an effort, I do my hair carefully, put on nice clothes, jewellery and perhaps that tinted moisturiser and lip gloss. It's enough.
How strange that we as women have come to believe we don't look quite as human without makeup. That phrasing in the OP really sent a shiver down my spine, and not in a good way.
I don't wear make up and never have mostly because I can't be arsed. Yes I look old now but I really don't care, besides I get bad eczema so daren't use anything but my usual moisturisers on my face, or I would have red cheeks for other reasons.
I don't wear make up because I never have, and really can't be bothered to get into applying it every day. I also can't get my head round how expensive it is! I could think of 1000s of things I'd rather spend time and money on than makeup.
I'm also not keen on the idea of my body absorbing all that chemical crap (your skin is very porous) and I hate the taste and feel of lipstick!
I've never learnt to apply it properly, and on the rare occasions I've worn it I've found not being able to touch my face annoying and restricting. I didn't wear it as a teenager as I used to hang out with the boys, and had no interest in learning about it. I also used to get lots of hassle from random men on the street, and so I spent most of my time out of the house trying to look like a boy (hood up, long hair hidden). I certainly wouldn't have wanted to make myself look more girly or "attractive". I also looked old for my age so didn't need to wear it to get into pubs etc. Anyway, I just wasn't interested in it.
I'm not against wearing it! I do wear it very occasionally, for fun - say once or twice a decade But generally, this is me, this is what I really look like! I don't have a problem with that. (Even thou - sadly - I've not aged particularly well!)
That's just my personal opinion about my own relationship with makeup though! DD may want to wear it when she's older, that's up to her. (I'll be discouraging it when she's little though, I think make up aimed at little girls is an awful concept).
Not really sure what your issue is ledker responding twice to my posts. I called the Op tragic, not you. You haven't started a thread to slam women for not wearing makeup. But yes if you want to argue the point you do wear make up because society tells you to. If you lived on a desert island by yourself you wouldn;t be fashioning crude lipsticks to wear around to show off to the animals hanging out of the palm trees would you?
Society also tells you to be young and skinny
Being skinny is difficult to obtain not quite the same as sticking on a bit of lippy. Don't tell me you are overweight purely to give society the proverbial finger.
As for society telling you to look young and you not succumbing only starting to wear make up to hide your face at the age of 40... sure smacks of trying to remain youthful.
Adverse I heard that old saying years ago. I was roughly about 10, so about 25yrs ago.
OP, I very rarely put make up on because I always feel caked no matter how little I put on. I have broken out in a rash with every piece of make up I've used (even hypoallergenic). The last time I wore make-up was about a year ago.
If I put on the slap so rarely, there's no point in forking out for it if it's going to go off before I used it a 2nd time. Besides, it just slid off my face and never stayed on for more than 2hrs max.
I think it's unimaginative to wonder why some women don't wear make up.
Because they don't want to?
Because they can't be arsed/don't have time?
Because they dislike the feel of it on their skin?
Because they never have done and don't feel confident applying it?
Because they don't feel the need to and are comfortable in their own skin?
There are a myriad of reasons why people don't bother with it. I generally fall in line with the can't be arsed/happy enough with myself without putting on slap brigade.
Awww, poor OP (sincerely meant). I don't think she deserves a pasting.
I don't wear makeup.
I don't believe that youth = better looking. Or that women (or men even) should try to look pretty and younger.
I don't know how to use makeup, either. I sort of tried when I was younger & lost interest.
It seems expensive, I don't know what's in that stuff & whether it's really healthy to put on my skin. Do you understand what's in your makeup?
I suppose I'm lazy and I loathe strict routine, I don't want the regimentation of morning application before I set foot out the door & last thing evening removal.
I have an aversion to vanity. Not as strong as when I was a teenager, when it was overwhelming and made me feel sneery towards many people who tried hard to tart themselves up. But I still have a kind of instinctive dislike of vanity, for me personally. In the same way I don't like vanilla ice cream (yet I don't care if you like it).
Just don't ask me to embrace your values. I have my own I'm comfortable with.
I have a friend who looks hugely much better with make up but you can't tell she's wearing make up at all, iyswim? Maybe if I were that skilled I'd wear it.
I always wear make up unless I'm just nipping out to the park or the shop but I'm not afraid to leave the house without it.
Most of the mums I meet on the school run etc don't care about make up and my mum never wears any and never really has done. It's just part of my routine (I also have to dress smartly for work) shower, teeth, nice clothes, do hair, put on makeup. Some people just don't think it's important and that's fine with me. I don't think watching Eastenders is important. Different strokes and all that.
I don't wear it because apart from not being bothered I think women who wear make look so much older.
Worst thing is face powder.
I do wear make-up most days, but as I've gotten older I've started to realise that I don't HAVE to wear it everyday if I don't won't too. Society tells me I need it to fit in, but it's my fricking face if I want to go bare faced I will! I tend to wear it on weekdays and go bare faced at the weekend now.
I don't wear makeup because I have better things to do with my time and money.
i am pretty without make up and even prettier with it . i admit i only wear tinted moisturiser, mascara, blush and lipgloss but it makes me feel more like me and takes all of 3 mins to apply. i don't care if other women wear it or not! i am a feminist btw who just happens to like looking good. vain? probably (shrug)
For me, it's because I don't see the point in wasting my time every morning trying to conform to everybody elses idea of 'beautiful' and think I look fine the way I am.
I have foundation for the rare times I want to wear it but I don't want to waste time changing the way I look when people should like me for who I am.
the time thing is a red herring though, surely? everyone has time to put make-up on; it's just a question of being arsed. it literally takes less than 5 mins.
Grey that may be, but they have different priorities for that time. You may choose to spend 5 minutes putting on make up; I may choose to have an extra few minutes in bed. Neither choice is better than the other.
Because I look fine without it.
There are also a million things I'd rather be doing with the 5 minutes.
I could have 5 mins more sleep, or 5 mins longer in the shower, or 5 mins longer MNing. All of these things are preferable.
I also don't blow dry or straighten my hair for the same reasons.
i know, i'm not judging, just pondering that it's fine to not wear make up but don't sort of apologise or make excuses for it if that makes sense? me, i go for the extra 5 mins and the make up, skip the washing up if necessary!
I agree that everybody has time to do it, I just see it as a waste of time!
I wish i could wear it everyday but as silly as it sounds, i don't have the confidence. I'm slim, long hair and pretty so i'm told . Some of the mums at school started to make comments to me and it wounded my confidence a lot. So i stopped wearing make up and started wearing jeans and trainers. They've left me alone now.
I work in a sterile environment so I'm not allowed to. Generally at the weekends I forget to put it on anyway
I used to wear full make-up (not ott, well I hope not!) most of the time throughout my teens and twenties - I see that more of a eighties/nineties thing though. Less is more! I manage some mascara and a dab of lipstick most days but not all. I think I look ok without the full works tbh during the day.
It would take me more than 5 mins to do makeup, but then I'm not very good at applying it.
Sorry to hear that Chickens*. Pressure of a whole different kind. Some people can't respect others' choices and have to cut people down to make themselves feel better about theirs.
Don't you dare change yourself to please a group of people who quite simply aren't very nice.
Piccadilly how lovely of you to be able to read my mind!
If you knew me then you would know how unlikely it is for me to follow the pack.
I'm not overweight but I'm also not skinny. I was a ten stone ballet dancer much to the horror of the company.
I honestly swear I wear make up because I like the way it makes me look. Maybe I have undeying issues with confidence but if that is the case I've found a cure.
I also colour my grey because I went grey very young due to chemo. Damn right I didn't want to look forty at 27 that's no crime.
You have. Very good point about the age thing actually I guess I didn't like what ageing was doing to me so attempt to cover up what I see as flaws.
I am also totally happy to be make up free anywhere at all.
I'm unsure as to why you feel so strongly about it either as I said earlier it can serve a very useful purpose.
I've started to make an effort. I do my nails every night and i have a good skin care routine.
I think i might start wearing make up bit by bit, over the weeks.
Hey, I'm sorry some people put you off wearing it chicken, that sounds a shame if you liked it before ?
I think confidence can be an issue for lots of people, and I guess is both a reason to wear it, and a reason not to for others
Because I dislike having a gunky face all day, I can't be arsed with all that in the morning, my DP (and the children in my class lol) tell me I'm beautiful.
I do wear make up when I go out but not loads.
X-post with you chicken - glad to hear your confidence is coming back - and you're doing more what feels right for you !
Agree with Juggling, for some it's confidence as in "I care enough about myself to take time over my appearance" or "I like my face as it is so don't need to wear any" and at other times it's a sign of insecurity as in "I don't look good enough without it" or "I still won't look good enough with it on so I'd rather people don't think that I've made an effort to look like this."
Being a woman is a complicated thing in our society.
Is this thread a wind up, because where is the OP sniffs journalist
Probably already been said a thousand times (I hope) but:
Lack of inclination (for a variety of valid reasons)
Lack of time (for a variety of valid reasons)
Lack of money (for a variety of valid reasons)
I think I'm a bit "I like my face as it is" and a bit "I wouldn't want people to think I'd made a special effort to look like this"
No make-up is simpler all round for several reasons !
OP, perhaps you would like to engage in discussions in other topics or threads? So we can get to know you a little?
That would be nice.
Because men don't routinely wear it. Because to me humans look nicer without stuff hiding their real faces. Because I have thousands of better things to do with my time than put it on or take it off, let alone buy it in the first place. Because I have thousands of better things to spend my money on.
I am glad there are so many other women who don't generally wear it. (I do wear it probably a couple of times a year.)
Have you ever wonder why men don't wear make up?
Have you ever suggested to a man that he would look better with a bit of makeup on?
If so what was their reaction?
I think it's quite derogatory to suggest that anyone is not good enough as they are naturally,
its worth thinking about the correlation between why women get treated they do, which is way below equal, and that a lot of women have a flag across their face telling anyone who looks, that they themselves, think they need artificial improvements.
there are plenty of great reasons not to want to paint your face,
Some women don't want to rub parabens (in nearly all the cosmetics, and lotions) into their bodies, because it well known that it increases cancer risks significantly.
I look a lot younger than I am, because my skin hasn't had to cope with having things rubbed into it,
I like when I go to the loo, I can wash my hands and face, I would feel grubby if couldn't.
234 posts and no OP. I suspect this hasn't gone the way she expected.
I don't wear it as I am not bothered about how I look most of the time.
I got married last year and didn't wear make up. I did straighten my hair though.
I know men who wear it. Tinted moisturiser and guy liner is quite popular at my gym
I just don't have time and am not willing to get up earlier to put it on. I tried it once and my DH got worried kept askIng me why I was wearing it bless him!
What you mean, OP, is why don't people do what you do?
I doubt you look like a zombie without makeup. You probably look like yourself. And then you look like yourself with a bit of make up on.
I think some posters are being overly aggressive here for the sake of it, she is asking a question, if its so offensive just don't answer!! HTH.
I wear a lot , purely because I'd look crap without it, have no eyebrows etc.
I think life would be quite boring without make up, I like gettin dressed up.
I envy people who are naturally good looking and don't need it, however I notice a lot of 'I don't need it crowd' often do need a bit of powder to stop the shiny beacon look!
shot, do you think men often "need a bit of powder to stop the shiny beacon look"? Or is it only women who "need" to look as though their skin is not really ordinary human skin, which ordinarily does secrete sweat and oils?
And while I don't think the OP was being offensive, neither do I think the appropriate response to someone saying something offensive in a public place is necessarily "just don't answer".
I daren't eve leave the house without make up, If I go out early with the kids I panic and miss breakfast so I have time to put some slap on!,
I am very ugly and the thought of leaving the house au naturel is a no-no tbh,
However my DP says sometimes I go 'overboard with make up and look better without' although he maintains I look better with eyebrows done!.
Tbh yes , I don't like shiny faces on anyone!
A sweaty face is unattractive on anyone! If the responses are hostile then yes.
shot: I find that somewhat depressing tbh. Why do people need to wear make up to cover up the fact that our bodies our doing what they are supposed to do?
Tbh yes , I don't like shiny faces on anyone!
Oh fair enough then
I look just fine without make up.
I think everyone looks fine without makeup. But not everybody thinks that so they wear it.
Not my face, not my problem.
Actually, I bet men don't like having shiny sweaty faces either, but they don't have the option unless they're way out there and use powder..
A couple of hundred years ago, they we the ones that used it, and in more recent history the only women that wore make up were actresses or prostitutes.
<channels Georgette Heyer>
I am sure, shot, that you are not very ugly, and I think it's terribly sad that you would think that. It's even sadder that you think a bit of powder will suddenly transform you.
However, I think your words "however I notice a lot of 'I don't need it crowd' often do need a bit of powder to stop the shiny beacon look!" are truly offensive.
Unless I'm working out, hard, in the gym, when it is quite natural to sport the hot, sweaty and shiny look, I do not sport this shiny beacon look of which you speak.
You are just being silly saying that.
I obviously not referring to everyone but I do notice it a lot, I'm of a younger generation where the matte look was the norm, so maybe that's why it just looks weird to me.
I too am of the younger generation where matte is supposedly the norm, hence my comment of other people's expectations of beauty and not wanting to conform to them earlier!
I envy people who are naturally good looking and don't need it, however I notice a lot of 'I don't need it crowd' often do need a bit of powder to stop the shiny beacon look!
No they really don't
Because i'm not sufficiently bothered to spend 10 minutes of my time every day to make myself look a tiny bit better. Instead I aim to eat a healthy breakfast and try to read something informative
rather than MN
And I don't like that big powerful companies try to con women into not leaving the house without expensive chemicals painted on their skin. Why are they publicly doubted for vaccines etc, but not something as pointless as makeup?
The norm, IMVHO, is your own skin. Whether it's matte or gloss is something determined by the fashion media. People who want you to part with your money.
'Love the skin you're in' as I believe somebody once said/sang
I have always had make up and worn it sometimes. 30 years ago I had jobs where it was so thouroughly expected of me and my colleagues that our supervisors would tell us off for not wearing any (and no, we weren't working on make up counters). I associate having to wear make up with low status jobs: once I got a better job I stopped bothering (though I got told more than once that wearing it - and dressing more smartly oh and, of course, deferring to men - would increase my chances of a payrise).
Up until fairly recently I was an Avon rep, and would wear Avon make up in a 'natural look' way if I was going to see customers, because if you're selling the stuff you really ought to visibly use it.
These days I've gone back to what I used to like best - wearing make up for special occasions, because the sort of make up I like to wear is clubby make up in lurid colours and random bits of glitter. Have never seen the point of the 'natural look'.
As to men, I prefer a man in a bit of eyeliner. Though I'm not horrified by anyone's natural face. The impulse to decorate yourself is as old as human society, it's just the who and the how that varies.
*Piccadilly how lovely of you to be able to read my mind!
If you knew me then you would know how unlikely it is for me to follow the pack.I'm not overweight but I'm also not skinny. I was a ten stone ballet dancer much to the horror of the company.I honestly swear I wear make up because I like the way it makes me look. Maybe I have undeying issues with confidence but if that is the case I've found a cure.I also colour my grey because I went grey very young due to chemo. Damn right I didn't want to look forty at 27 that's no crime.You have. Very good point about the age thing actually I guess I didn't like what ageing was doing to me so attempt to cover up what I see as flaws.I am also totally happy to be make up free anywhere at all.I'm unsure as to why you feel so strongly about it either as I said earlier it can serve a very useful purpose.*
I am genuinely befuddled. I have no strong opinions one way or the other what a stranger on the internet happens to wear or not wear
I am an annoyed at the OP 's assumption that others should though.
You seemed to have an issue with that, then seemed to start some sort of debate with me personally out of 9 pages of posters saying the exact same as me, I then responded to your posts because I thought you were talking bollocks. I'd assume you have some sort of axe to grin but I'm a pretty frequent name changer and I don't think I have been to controversial in general
under this name. So genuinely I am confused, I think maybe you got wound up as you thought I was calling makeup wearers tragic and you don't want to admit that you were out of line.
Piccadilly how lovely of you to be able to read my mind!If you knew me then you would know how unlikely it is for me to follow the pack.I'm not overweight but I'm also not skinny. I was a ten stone ballet dancer much to the horror of the company.I honestly swear I wear make up because I like the way it makes me look. Maybe I have undeying issues with confidence but if that is the case I've found a cure.I also colour my grey because I went grey very young due to chemo. Damn right I didn't want to look forty at 27 that's no crime.You have. Very good point about the age thing actually I guess I didn't like what ageing was doing to me so attempt to cover up what I see as flaws.I am also totally happy to be make up free anywhere at all.I'm unsure as to why you feel so strongly about it either as I said earlier it can serve a very useful purpose.
I am genuinely befuddled. I have no strong opinions one way or the other what a stranger on the internet happens to wear or not wear confused
I am an annoyed at the OP 's assumption that others should though.
You seemed to have an issue with that, then seemed to start some sort of debate with me personally out of 9 pages of posters saying the exact same as me, I then responded to your posts because I thought you were talking bollocks. I'd assume you have some sort of axe to grin but I'm a pretty frequent name changer and I don't think I have been to controversial in general under this name. So genuinely I am confused, I think maybe you got wound up as you thought I was calling makeup wearers tragic and you don't want to admit that you were out of line.
at Hecate and her Andrew Lloyd-webber/poison ivy combo.
I am also a make-up shunner, in the 'can't polish a turd' camp.
Mainly cause I have eczema on my face, so foundation sticks to the dry bits and slides off the oozy bits, making a really quite eye-catching patchwork spectacle. I've always felt it's better just to leave it the fuck alone, and grow a very long fringe....
Because I don't want to.
And OP is very unimaginative if she really couldn't think of a single reason why other women might not wear make-up every day.
And I very much doubt that the OP could really be mistaken for a zombie if she didn't put any make-up on.
Also the reason the no make up types are so het up is because the thread started with the assumption that we are doing something wrong.
Do you wonder why men have such fab eyelashes? My pet theory I'd that they don't cost them in paint them pull it of every day, weakening the lashes and pulling them out
'Cos I don't give a shit?
And 'cos at my age it would be like gilding a turd and I'd end up looking like Barbara Cartland.
Can I turn your question round? I watch some of the very pretty young women at work carefully applying makeup in the mornings (we cycle to work and have changing/shower facilities there). In my opinion they look no more attractive when they've finished, because, guess what, they were beautiful to start with (and, more importantly, nice, intelligent, interesting, thoughtful women with whom I have really good conversations). And I wonder "why do they bother?" But of course, it is (as has been pointed out by many upthread), their choice, and if it makes them happy, who am I to stick my oar in?
Ask yourself the question- "would a man feel he had to do this?"
Generally speaking, if the answer is no, then don't do it either.
I can tell you why I don't wear makeup...
Around the time I should have been experimenting with it (13-16) I had no money and I didn't feel like I could ask my parents for make up because they also had no money.
So I never experimented and I never learned to apply it, or what suited me.
And now it just feels too late. Apart from anything else, my mannerisms don't lend themselves to make up. I touch my face too often, so I would probably smudge it.
And now, because I've not known how to do makeup for so long it's just built up to this big impassible thing in my mind. Sounds really rubbish written down
You're not really missing anything IME lime - but I'm sorry if you feel that maybe you are, and especially if you feel you missed out. You could always give it a go ? Enlist a friend's help maybe ?
Those mentioning shiny faces....
You do realise that you still sweat while you have make up on? However the sweat (which is supposed to be leaving your body) hits the make up and gets stuck.
dashoflime I was never interested at the time friends learnt, and again it built up into this huge thing, so I found even if I wanted to, I couldn't. Just before Christmas I went to an evening Boots laid on, with No7, doing step-by-step demonstrations which we then copied. I now feel comfortable enough to put make-up on in a way that suits me, and though I am not perfect, and I am looking to meet up with someone who teaches others to wear make-up for a few sessions to learn other tricks, I no longer have the fear I did - at 34 I can finally wear make-up But saying that, I still don't wear it every day, for many of the reasons others have already said, it is just nice to know if I want to, I can.
Because I look like me, but with a Crappy painted on face ...
Because when I get up at 4am to go to work , I consider I've done well if I've got a matching pair of socks on. Putting my slap on at that time , would be tantamount to putting my 4 yr old in charge of it . No. Just no.
Because I don't need to. I whack a bit of mascara on for super smart days at the office and some eyeshadow and benetint for like super smart evenings.
I have skin like an angel. No shit.
Juggling and A Glass: yes, I keep playing with the idea of enlisting some help.
I might one of these days.
Mumsnet is actually a huge help because I can see on the Style and Beauty boards, loads of people asking fairly basic questions. So, that slightly breaks down the perception I have of makeup being this thing that everyone else knows how to do and not me.
I had a makeover in a beauty shop once but I left looking not really like myself. Like I was in drag or something
My younger brother wears concealer. Better concealer than me in fact and DP's brother straightens his hair and lift weights to look vood in his tight t-shirts
I am 26 so perhaps it's a younger thing but the pressure to look good at all times and hide perceived "imperfections" is definitely felt by men now too, it's not exclusively a female thing anymore.
An unlikely source, but this mentions some of the evolutionary reasons why women wear makeup. shagability
... but has nothing to say about why men currently don't.
I don't wear it unless I am going out in the evening for drinks or a meal. I am too lazy and I enjoy looking different for a night out, makes it feel special!
Wow I could never guess that women wear makeup in order to appear more attractive!!1
Some men currently wearing makeup, probably because of evolutionary reasons:
I don't wear make up because,
I can't be arsed
I think I am quite pretty (not stunning but pretty enough)
It bleeds, runs, smudges.
I don't like how it feels
I like being low maintenance
I like to think I am setting a good example of a happy confident women to my teenage DD (who also never wears make-up)
If I were very fair I might wear a bit of mascara and, maybe, if I had thin lips I might wear a bit of lippy. I would also wear concealer if I had a blotchy spot.
I do dye my hair sometimes but I don't mind the grey bits and I like to wear nice clothes
I do get a shiny forehead and if there were a product that I could use that would stop it, I would use it.
OP, you mention that you wear make-up for yourself, does this mean that you wear it if you are at home on your own?
Because when I used to wear it every day, I was even more paranoid about my appearance than I am now.
I have shit skin due to PCOS, but you know what? Fuck it. This is my face. No, I don't particularly like the way I look, but I'm not the one looking at it every day. And I'm not going to make myself look materialistically nicer to please other people any more.
Pretzel, there are difference between cultural and evolutional reasons you know. There's a feedback loop, yes, but they have separate intentions - adopting social norms, against shag-me-now-I'm-on-heat. A lot of comments have talked about our specific cultural expectations of 'normal' - I just think it's interesting to remember that normal or not, it's very specifically developed to give out the one, compelling, message.
I don't know enough about makeup to wear it confidently. I blame having a feminist mum who raised us androgynously. And I've got by in life without needing to fix my lack of knowledge.
I don't think I understand your posts. It's getting too late.
I'm sad I'm not Wodaabe though, those men are some fine hotties
I think I am actually just going to go with 'I can't be arsed'.
I really can't, I don't see the point and as for the 'it only takes 5 minutes', there are many other things I would rather do in those 5 minutes.
People sweat, people age, it really doesn't matter.
I wear it for work and because its heavy and takes an age I can't be arsed with it the rest of the time.
Because I'm worth it.
Wear it when I have time to apply it. Most of the time I don't because it's not a priority as I think I look vaguely human without it, so applying it is low on the to-do list.
greencolorpack, genuine question because I can't tell if you are joking by your post but do you resent being raised that way/by a feminist mum?
<struggles for a full five minutes to care>
Nope, sorry. Couldn't give a fuck.
Hello Gin. Knew you wouldn't wear make up, you old hag.
Pretzel, thanks a million for that info! Have just watched a few clips on here. Yes, I wouldn't mind being a Gerewol judge
Leucan, bollocks will be talked, by scientists and pundits, to support any fashionable view. Unfortunately real life tends not to bear them out. The Wodaabe men, and the Papuan New Guinea ones, dance in their weird outfits and lavish makeup specifically to get laid. I'm not seeing how their get-ups simulate sex. What about the Elizabethan fashion for rotten teeth and the 19th-century vogue for women to look terminally ill?
It's just fashion ... yes, it always has something to do with sex, status and prestige. It usually has rather more to do with selling products. Contemporary experts will tell you how 'evolutionary' it all is, but human nature is more subtle than they're making out!
Anyway, if blusher's supposed to make you look sexually aroused, why isn't it also desirable to have a blotchy neck & chest and to break out in a sweat?
Akshully Aries (mmwah n facelicks) I do sometimes wear make up. There's goth in these yer veins y'know
PiccadillyCervix, yes I do. She raised us to sneer at the neighbours kids who wore pretty pretty dresses. In telling us what she sneered at it was a very clear message to us what we shouldn't want to do ourselves. And she fought tooth and nail against letting me have a dolly. I liked dollies, so shoot me!
if she hadn't been sneery or had been more inclusive about things you did like do you think you'd still resent it? sorry not trying to grill you,might startomorrow t a thread in chat tomorrow
YABU, I can't be arsed with make up.
YANBU, each to their own. However, my skin has never been clearer (and I never had spots as a teen!) since I stopped wearing make-up. It also means that I spend less time getting ready in the morning, or when we're going out.
No I think I would be a happier dd to my m if she had been less sneery about things and just a bit more nurturing and interested in me as a person.
My dad is a real chauvinist dinosaur, parents were divorced so if we wore jeans and jumpers he sneered at us for not wearing the pretty pretty dresses. He was always trying to get us to dress as girls.
Awkwardness abut not being feminine was hardest to cope with at university as I was living among my peers. But it's got easier since then. I've just never really been able to relate to girly girls.
Trying to raise dd a bit more conventionally/positively and not slagging off how anyone dresses, to my kids.
OP - are you OK? I don't think you've been back and have only skimmed this thread.
FWIW I wear make-up almost every day and have done since I was about 14. Not a lot but a light foundation, bit of powder, bit of blusher, bit of mascara, and bit of lippy. It makes me feel better and it makes me look better and if you don't mind me saying I have very good skin.
Love it, makes me feel better and am pleased that dd 14.50 is experimenting with eye liner, maxcara and lippy.
Oh, and my make-up routine takes about two minutes. x
I used to wear make up everyday in my last job, as had to look presentable.
I had my dd's, and gave it up really, as
a) no time,
b) I live in Oz now, and it'll melt off my face in the heat,
c) I didn't need it in he first place as my face is blemish, and wrinkle free at 36,
d) can't be arsed
e) I only wear it now when going out for a night, as dh reckons I'm naturally beautiful <bauk>
I am attempting to stop wearing it since starting to react to products. It can take weeks for my skin to heal. I dont look great without it, but I dont have much choice....
sounds shit green , thank you for answering me though I'd prefer my daughter to not wear make up but that's because I hope she feels beautiful without and not feel pressured to look a certain way. won't make her feel bad if she does though
I look better with make up in but I don't wear it everyday because I CBA and don't have the time. When I do wear make up I always feel good so if I wore it all the time I'd lose that effect
Oh wow. If had a job where I were told, or it were otherwise made clear to me, that I were not presentable without make-up I would invoke equality legislation all the way to, I dunno, whatever you appeal to if the employment tribunal finds against you. I realise I'm fortunate to be able to take that attitude. But I would be furious if an employer tried to force make-up on me unless they made men wear it too.
OK - I will admit I haven't read the whole Fred.
OP - YABU. Because I have waaaay too much going on my life to give a rat's arse about makeup.
You should become a nun or something.
I havn't read the thread either.
Last week I was clearing out a cupboard and found a nice box. DD said 'ooh, what's in there mummy?'
I don't know' I said and took the lid off.
It was my make up.
Short answer: because they don't have to.
Tufty - hello!!
I keep missing you my lovely!
Not interested in buying it or spending time applying it.
My DS is "into" clearing cupboards but his taste runs to the weird and mad.
... Like monacles and Jews harps. No offence to Jewish people intended.
I'm well. I know, I keep missing you too. We can unite in our un make up ness.
Nigel's in Devon. Having a lovely time by all accounts. How're you?
I believe it is up to you..if you want to then fine. Equally if you don't...great!
I wear makeup because I like to channel Cleopatra ( ) see my pix...haha!
No foundation as I have clear skin but a smidge of concealer (Indian heritage of dark circles under eyes).
But then, I like to dress up. But hang out with good friends who never do. Doesn't matter to me what others do. Just what I do.
My daughter is 14 and a half and stunning. She has smooth olive skin with the density of heavy cream (mixed race as dad is English) and just puts some mascara on her lashes to enhance them. Her white friends envy her skin and tend to cake on foundation. I think it is such a pity as that young skin doesn't need caked on goo.
This is a bit of an odd OP really. Same could be said about clothes. Some like to go all out (me) others canna be arsed. So what?
Drfayray, you look amazing and your DD is indeed stunning.
I think it can't be good for your skin.
Thanks - kind to say so.
I think it depends on your skin. I wear make up and my skin is tops! Clear, unlined and no pores. I will be 51 in March and those pix are vair recent.
I don't wear it for a variety of reasons. Mainly that I can't be bothered. I have also found that in the rare occasions I do wear it (think interviews) that my face feels dirty with it on. And I also find that when I see people who wear make up every day (friends who wear it round the house etc) I always wonder why they feel that they have to wear a mask. I think it helps people hide something they don't like about themselves - not physically, emotionally. HTH
because i'd rather sleep and i'm crap at it so look like a clown and because there is more to life. But we are all different and if it makes someone feel bettter to wear it who am i to judge?
So how is the article coming on, OP? <waves to the journo>
Where will we be able to find it when you've finished it? Mail?
I look more glam with it, I look OK without it. I can take it or leave it TBH.
some people look better withour makeup
Yeh OP, did you use any of my quotes ?
PM me for details re citation and payment
The only women who don't look better with make -up, have no idea how to apply it!
Obviously there is no need to wear it, but...nicely applied make -up is a world away from summer fete face painting!
YANBU to womder but sound a tad judgy. i would love to wear make up every day but
sleep, dcs, housework, a bit of breathing space seem to take up my time. And yes I know it only takes a couple of mintues but so does loading the dw. Meh.
I take it the OP never turned up again? <hasn't read thread as so patently intended to stir>
I don't wear it because I never saw the point. Also the couple of times I did try I looked like a clown because I had no clue, and it felt uncomfortable. Anything near my eyes would make them water, anything on my lips felt horrible and I have to rub it off (even stuff like Vaseline feels yucky) if I paint my nails it makes my fingers feel weird! So I just don't bother.
My mum very rarely wore make up either so I didn't have anyone to copy from and was such a Tom boy that dressing up with make up would have horrified me as a kid.
No, and did seem a bit dodgy to me from the beginning the way it was so precisely and carefully worded and beginning with "I'm sure I will get flamed for this but ..."
who ever starts like that ?
people usually say "please don't flame me for this but" if they use the slightly weird "flame" word at all.
< dashes away with a flick of the cloak under the protection of darkness before I am caught by MNHQ for troll-hunting Always did sound rather fun and glamourous ! >
I had four hours sleep last night due to stupid baby!
This morning I have to go out a d have massive bags under my eyes pmt spots and those piggy eyes you get when tired.
I put a bit if light make up on and now I just feel better.
That's not a terrible thing is it?
Hey ledkr whatever gets you through the day is good Babe !
Hope you can get more sleep tonight x
ledkr, don't feel the need to justify yourself and your choices - if you feel better wearing make-up, you do so, and feel good
I personally don't see the point, but that's me. I can see why people want to wear it.
The only women who don't look better with make -up, have no idea how to apply it!
Just because you feel uncomfortable without painting your face, don't try to project your inadequacy onto others. Some of us are entirely happy with our natural state.
Because I was never any good at applying it in my teens and can't be arsed to learn now
Because it feels uncomfortable on my face - like wearing a cement mask or something
Because looks aren't everything
Because I have better things to do
Because I'm secure enough with who I am as a person to feel comfortable without it
Because I'd rather spend the money on something else
Because I find the whole 'enhancing your features' idea a bit patronizing
Does it really matter though? It's my choice, doesn't really impact on anyone else. Why stress over what others do?
sally I don't feel uncomfortable without it.
I don't actually need it either. I do look better with it though.
All you hating it would too, if you did it correctly.
Another thing, this "painting your face" bit, I think you need to relax, its not like painting at all.
I don't look like Aunt Sally FFS.
I love weekends and holidays because I don't wear make-up
or a bra. I wear it because I think it makes me look a little less like a child more professional at work, but in an ideal world, really cba.
It's expensive, doesn't make that much difference and if I put too much on I look like a drag queen. The one exception was my wedding day, when my genius bridesmaid made me look sooo pretty after the professional trial had gone horribly wrong (see above re: drag queen).
Ok, less tired looking.
Groomed. Like I care about myself.
Make -up protects the skin, those that wear it, normally have good skin.
I won't be dying my hair though, (I'm 41) I don't use it to look younger.
I really don't think anyone should wear it if they don't like it, I just know if one is able to use it correctly...they will enjoy the difference!
Nope, there is no way make up would make me look better.
I look pretty great as it is.
Never seen anyone who looks 'better' in make up, just people who look like themselves with make up on.
I don't care what people do with their faces, but in my opinion make up doesn't make you you 'better', just made up.
I never look made up.
I know how to use it correctly!
My sister from 13 year-old, announced to me that she would never in her life go out, even just to post a letter, without being fully made up and hair perfect.
At 65, she still does this, and said to me, who doesn't wear make-up, " Women who don't wear make-up are arrogant and conceited as they think they don't need it!" It was a response to me calling her vain for piling on the make-up, including eye shadow, liner and mascara, and keeping her lipstick topped up. I said I couldn't be bothered with having to take it all off at night.
Are you by any chance one of those pestering women wearing pseudo-clinical white jackets who hang about in front of cosmetics counters trying to sell over-priced cosmetics to gullible women with the promise that they will look "better"?
Because it aggravates bimbos that need to wear it. It's a mask.
If you need it to feel better about yourself then go ahead. It's a personal choice.
After having nursed some cosmetic patients that have just come out of theatre after having facelifts and are desperate for me to pass them their make up bag. It kinda made me realise how insecure some women are and how attached to their makeup!
On a serious note, I have seen makeup being talked about as how women "make an effort"
Apparantly caring for your hygiene, taking care of your hair, wearing nice clothes and jewelry, working, taking care of children etc is not making an effort. And men are apparently fine without it?
I have a close friend who is really really ill, she makes tremendous effort every time so goes outside and meets others. Wears no makeup though.
With make up on we look different
It is a cultural/value judgement that says we look better
I don't think I have ever looked at someone and thought "blindly, you need to put some make up on!" but I have definitely looked at someone and thought "blindly! That's a lot of slap on your face! You'd look so much nicer with less!"
Agree, Pretzeltime, that the "making an effort" characterisation of putting on make-up is really annoying. As if choosing not to do it was self-neglect, or neglect of responsibilities to others..
Wearing make-up is odd. It's an oddness that most of us get up to sometimes, and some of us get up to most of the time, but it is still weird and a choice.
The thread-title really is infuriating. If the OP can wonder why some women don't wear make up, I might just as well wonder why most women don't spend the 5 minutes a day that it takes to look after miniature geraniums like I do -- after all, they are very pretty and have fragrant leaves and are easy to fit into my daily routine.
The fact is we each have our own repertoire of foibles and no one needs to share them.
Feminine you look like you "care" about yourself.
What a load of bullshit. I don't look at women without make-up and think "well she obviously doesn't care about herself".
Why do men get away with not caring about themselves? Why is it ok for them to go out looking "unpolished"?
Load.of.shite. Some of you really fall for stuff hook, line and sinker.
I say this as someone who wears make-up 99% of the time.
Seventh, I think people look at me and think "Blindly you did put some make up on!" since I do it so badly I might as well have my eyes closed.
Actually, if a man wore obvious make up to work (assuming an 'ordinary' job rather than being a television presenter or other performer for whom make up is necessary/a 'creative' work environment where people are expected to do werid things) he'd be looked at oddly and maybe HR would be Having A Word. So make up for women is widely and generally percieved as looking 'professional', make up for men quite the reverse. What does that tell you?
I'm getting flashbacks to a very similar thread about dying hair.
My face was acceptable when i was 5, or 11- i did not need eyeliner or blusher or. mascara to look acceptable, but at 14 i did, and at 37 i do?
what is it about my naked face that needs fixing? why does my dh's face not need fixing too
I work in a graduate job for a local authority with a gay man who wears makeup (in a client facing role too) and H.R. would never think of "having a word".
Feminine, you look like you "care" about yourself.
That got to me, too! You look like you care so much about yourself, you think your real face is too nasty to be seen in public. That's not very caring
feminine what a load of crap!
I always look 'polished' and like I 'care' about myself even though I don't wear make up. The fact that you don't think that says more about your attitude towards yourself & your self esteem than anyone elses.
Because in a time of austerity, the money spent on make up can't be justified for many.
And because I look fan-fucking-tastic without it. Why mess with nature?
Make -up protects the skin
Skin that is exposed to sun and wind, or is unusually dry, can benefit from a
cheap moisturiser, that should be invisible once applied.
those that wear it, normally have good skin.
well that's true at least, but those who don't use it normally have good skin too.
I've seen quite a few men wearing makeup lately. It's usually good-looking men, sporting
foundation tinted moisturiser and subtle eye liner. This was big in the late '70s - early '80s so maybe my eye was trained then & most people don't notice it!
I welcome the ability for men to do a bit of appearance-altering by choice, but hope it stays in the realm of choice.
Did you know that nanoparticles can easily cross through human tissue, migrating to other parts of the body like the lungs and brain? Your mineral makeup may be made of them.
- I wear make up everyday and I love changing the way. I wear varying amounts depending on what I'm doing or where I'm going. I feel groomed and polished.
I didn't wear make up in my teens when all my friends did. I wore it from twenties onwards. I probably needed less when I was I was younger and my skin was more evenly toned etc.
Imo I very rarely see a woman bare faced who looks stunning. Make up enhances most faces, just as nice clothes, haircut colour and so on.
Also, I know it sounds harsh but usually the ones who say 'I don't need make up' are the very ones that do!
But, Carmen, why do they need it?
" I very rarely see a woman bare faced who looks stunning."
"Also, I know it sounds harsh but usually the ones who say 'I don't need make up' are the very ones that do! "
Which raises the question - why?
The media and patriarchal myth sold everyday about the importance of looks?
carmen I'd say that you never seeing a woman who looks "stunning" without make-up is more due to your perceptions of "stunning" rather than make-up.
Are you going to be super depressed when you're 80 and you are no longer attractive by media standards? I know that I'd rather live in a society where we weren't so hung up on youth and looks.
"I very rarely see a woman bare faced who looks stunning."
This is to do with your perception of beauty, rather than an objective fact though.
I'm not denying that women with make up look more beautiful to you, but certainly not everyone sees things that way. It's just your social / cultural conditioning, sorry!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, innit
Because im stunning actually I have the type of face that looks less attractive with make up if Im going to a wedding I will wear foundation maybe mascara but my friends have always said natural look suits me. Make up makes me look like cocoa the clown and as I've never been short on offers I assume I do look good without make up.
I very rarely wear it cos I very rarely get to go out with my OH or friends due to life. I work 12 hr shifts so putting makeup on at 5am doesnt really appeal and I would rather have the extra time in bed, DD at 11 doesn't think makeup is the be all and end all of her looks and with everything else I do its my last priority besides i wore enough through my teenage acne years lol
I did say IMO!
I agree about living in a society where we are obsessed with looks.
I like wearing make up to enhance my features add colour to face face, shimmer glitter etc etc! Just as I like colouring hair rather than have grey roots. I guess I don't want to look old, but it isn't just that.
We all see things differently. Yes a teenage girl with fresh young skin lOoks great bare faced. A 50 year old (imo) is more likely to have a more uneven skintone, look tired or even haggard. Not saying she is ugly but make up, nice hair would enhance that.
If I went to a party without a scrap of make up I'd feel rough, although others may see me as a reasonably pretty woman. With make up, I'd be a glamorous one.
Those who don't wear make up, what do you think of women who do, particularly those wear lots??
I hope that all of you who don't wear foundation are wearing sun protection instead.
Brilliant. Ageist as well. <sighs>
Those who don't wear make up, what do you think of women who do, particularly those wear lots??
I can tell you what my DP has said more than once - "I wonder what's hiding underneath that lot!"
So why is nude 50 year old male skin ok? Are they more likely to look 'tired' or 'haggard'?
Because they don't want to?
I wear it for work because I see it as part of being polished for work,I'll wear it for nights out,socialising,but I don't feel the urge to wear it if my only activity is walking the dog/shopping. I like to let me skin breathe.
I enjoy it,don't wear much though,all quite light formulas,small amounts applied. Takes about 10 minutes out of my day. I don't really care if other women wear it or not. I certainly think some women should learn to apply it properly or not wear it at all though. Orange tide marks around the jaw are hideous.
The last episode of I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here always contains shots of young women who have looked perfectly beautiful throughout their stay in the jungle and who suddenly look orange and hideous and drained of personality thanks to getting their hands back on the slap.
Carmen, you ask what we think about women who use lots of make-up. I only like that if it is done punkishly, subversively, in a chirpy fuck-you sort of way. Other sorts of heavy make- up just look like putting on a rather unattractive uniform, to become invisible and fit in with the job description of being a "woman".
'Fresher', 'polished', 'groomed', 'like I care about myself'
So you think men don't care about themselves?
Ah yes. Very good example, Floaty - IACGMOOH.
op feel free to look on my profile there's a picture of me and while im not stunning I don't look bad without make up.
I personally don't like its feel and think its false advertising but if other people want to wear make up thats fine and up to them.
Yes 50 year old men do looked haggard too! Not all, just as not all women do. 50 is just a number I plucked out of the air, could be 35. Or 60.
Men don't have as many options as women though do they? Most men would not wear make up as not socially acceptable I guess.
How many times do you see a well groomed woman- hair make up clothes next to man of the same age who makes no effort. I think as you get older you do have to make more of an effort to look good, where it was easier when you were younger.
All this is what is importnat to me though. I love dressing up and being girly. Not for society or men, but for me. And as when when I'm 80 I hope I willfeel the same.
I don't agree that women look better with it on. Different, yes. Better? That's very subjective.
I don't use make up at all. I don't own any. I don't like it and I can't see any reason to use it. Without it, I don't look terrible/ washed out/ ill/ ugly/ whatever. I just look like me. That's all.
And I do not need to be "enhanced". There's nothing wrong with me just as I am.
But why does it actually matter what we look like when we are just going about our ordinary daily business? Beyond the basics of not wearing (say) a T-shirt with a massively offensive slogan on it, and not actually stinking, when we're plodding round the supermarket, sitting on the bus, or working in a job that doesn't involve contact with clients, what's the big deal with appearance?
I never look made up.
um you do, or you wouldn't wear it. I have never met anyone who thought there make up wasn't totally natural. It was obvious they were wearing make up.
Talking about men looking as haggard as women does not stop your post being ageist.
Nothing to stop anyone looking haggard. Don't pick on older people.
Also personally I feel men tend to age a bit better than women. I think this is due to the large amount of shit women apply to their face. Have noticed that women who don't fuck about with their faces massively usually have very good looking skin as they age.
"Most men would not wear make up as not socially acceptable I guess."
Or because society has not drummed it into men that they have to wear make up to look young and acceptable?
It always reminds me of the lead based make up people painted onto their faces to make them look paler.
Piccadilly...you haven't met me. You don't know the type of make -up I use.
You wouldn't know I had it on.
I look like I'm not wearing any. I don't look very different without. I know how to apply it. That is the difference.
I don't sell make-up.
I was paid a small fortune for my face many moons ago. That is how I know what works!
"I don't look very different without"
Then what is the point?!
Men age better than women because their skin is thicker apparently (I read it in one article or another)
I have very good genes, but wearing make -up has protected my face.
Not much, just enough to keep it protected.I look nothing like my age.
I don't care if some of you don't want to use it/don't like it. That is fair enough.
I know some of you would benefit from learning how to take care of your skin and apply makeup though.
Great if you don't care. I have a very full and busy life, make-up does not interrupt that!
Big, the difference is , I feel better. I am allowed to.
PMSL at the idea that foundation will protect you against sun damage. You need a proper facial sunscreen for that. Cosmetics/ face cream with an SPF won't cut it, not in the summer.
I look at some of the people where I've moved to and they look so much older in their face. Smoking has a lot to answer for as has diet as well.
"think its false advertising"
Bloody hell- it's as if feminism never happened!
"I know some of you would benefit from learning how to take care of your skin and apply makeup though."
In whwt wqy "benefit"?
(BTW I am a journo. I work on a women's mag, in fact.)
'Don't pick on older people' what? I'm not exactly young myself!
Actually I think all women look better with make up, even young ones. Better in that it creates a different look. The difference is older women probably need it more in the sense that evens out skin tone, brightens face.
seeker I think some of you would get to like it!
If someone is good at something anything , they are probably going to continue doing it.
and mother again, you don't have any idea of how I take care of my skin. Foundation does help, but I have also taken care of my skin and used the correct products (over the years) I have lived in a place with blazing hot summers,my skin didn't suffer.
a) I just don't have the time, don't like how it feels, and feel that I am somehow disguising who I really am... why would I bother?
b) Nor do I want to be seen to endorse the bullshit that the beauty industry espouses, Or give my money to them.
c) It doesn't make me look any "better"
We don't need makeup. We need stuff like food and love and an adequate supply of gory thrillers. Similarly, our lives benefit from many things (like cake, and new gory thrillers). Makeup is not, for many women, an essential.
I've always worked with children so never bothered
whats the point and now I'm a mother so I only wear make-up if I'm going out in the evening never happens
I look better with make up but some of my friends look incredible with none. I look like a corpse with no base on
I hate the way threads like this always end up with political debate!
I don't wear make up because society has drummed it into me as acceptable. Jesus.
Perhaps I should walk round looking like a cave woman to prove I don't conform? Why do some people need bullshit comments to illustrate their pointthat they don't want to look feminine for a man? That they look great without make up, hair colouring etc. Really? Good for you who believe that.
Wow carmen don't hold back, eh?
I thought you said that you didn't wear make-up for men? Now you're berating women for not wanting to look feminine for a man.
I don't think you'll find anyone on here who's saying "don't wear make-up because society says you should and fuck that". Just plenty of women who say "do what you want, but don't do it blindly".
I wear make-up. But I know perfectly well why I do it.
Feminine, you are missing the point that even if make-up does make people look 'better' (whatever that means), it doesn't mean that people have to use it, or even that they should.
Like you, I think I look better with make-up. I know how to apply it, and can look like I have no make-up, or have a dramatic look or whatever and still look great. However, I generally don't wear any, as I don't think whether I look 'better' than otherwise is that important. There is more to me than how I look.
If looking 'better' is so important to you, keep it up. Well done on looking good. Good luck when that stops. However, you should stop assuming that others have the same motivations as you, and you should definitely stop telling them to be more like you.
I only wear make up on a night out, everyday i dont wear it, i have pale skin and its hard to find colours that dont make me look old or cheap.
bad what? how did you get that from me?
I suspect those that don't like it, don't know how to use it. Big difference!
So many comments like "oh , I look like a clown" indicates they need a few lessons.
I am very content with aging, as I said up thread I'm not in hair dye. I think that is odd. I'm not advocating it, just suggesting its not bad to like looking 'better'
holyfool. Didn't mean to be rude. i don't wear make make up for men, no. I don't particularly like attracting atttention from men as a general rule. Though of course its nice to get compliments. However, what I do think is that some posters on this thread are on an all out mission to prove they don't need make up to be feminine, sexy or look nice.
Sadly, in my experience men are much more likely to eye up women glammed up thean bare faced no matter what they tell their wives.
what looks better is a matter of opinion I personally prefer someone without make up to someone with.
ROARing at "I have ... used the correct products".
<goes to stare disconsolately at my cold water tap 'product'>
'Sadly, in my experience men are much more likely to eye up women glammed up thean bare faced no matter what they tell their wives.'
But I thought you didn't wear it for men?
"Sadly, in my experience men are much more likely to eye up women glammed up thean bare faced no matter what they tell their wives."
That's about the best argument yet for not wearing any.
Feminine I know how to use make-up ( I trained as a dancer, I worked in theatre and music). I hung out with other girls and did the usual experimenting with make-up-and-stuff. I am a "goth" so know how to do pretty complicated and dramatic looks with all manner of cosmetics.
I just don't like it. And despite all that I really do look quite a lot younger than my actual age. Sorry.
I think the "I look like a clown" is about perception, not that they've literally scrawled badly over their faces. If you are not used to using make-up then your unadorned face is normal. Anything applied over the top of that is going to look not normal.
I had a professional make-up thingy from Bobbi Brown when I got married. 100% reaction was how fantastic and natural it looked. I saw a clown in the mirror.
What I find bizarre is the assumption that those of us wh don't wear make up never have and don't know how to. It's as if it's impossible for a woman to make an informed choice not to.
I'm more likely to stare at a man wearing blue eyeshadow than one who isn't <helpful>
Look at this hottie and his amazing transformation
Jesus. Why do pick posts apart. I do not wear make up for men. I'm in a ltr and am in my early 40's for Gods sake.
What I'm trying to say is all the women saying they don't need make up they look better etc are saying it so they don't conform to societys obsession with image. Thing is, its the way it is guys and these posters who think their dhs prefer women without are kidding themselves.
Some folk are here are desperate to prove a point. I look great etc. Like I said, really?
annie you illustrate my point beautifully. Turning a make up thread into a political/feminist one.
I wear make up cos I like dressing up looking glam, enhancing what I've got, or sometimes just brightening up my face when I've been woken with the kids and have work the next day.
Don't do it for men or my man either. However, I do believe rightly or wrongly that men would prefer a made up woman to a bare faced one. That's not why I wear it though. In fact, the whole male view is a totally separate issue.
There is very rarely anyone as desperate to prove a point as a woman saying she wears make up/high heels/gets a boob job/waxes her pubic hair/wears a corset, a thong,split crotch pants or a push up bra/pole dances/goes to burlesque shows "for her".
<awaits torrent of outrage with equanimity because she has been in this game for nearly 40 years now and has heard it all before>
Its clearly an individuals choice to wear make-up or not. Some people believe its part of whom they are. I personally don't wear too much make-up as I don't really need to. It depends on an individuals fashion style, therefore varies for every different individual. I know this beautiful girl who had flawless skin and never used to wear make-up at all however, due to a medical illness her skin become incredibly infected and marked, which is why she relies on make-up now everyday to make her feel better. Even though, she's a beautiful girl she doesn't believe she looks beautiful if she doesn't wear make-up now to hide these marks. Times can change and therefore is an individual choice between wearing make-up or not and for what purpose.
I don't think it would bother me at all if my dh said he found women with make up on more sexually attractive than women without. So what? I'm not out to make a conquest of any man. It is entirely the thought of judgey women that makes me spread a little bit of make-up on sometimes when I go out. Now that I am middle aged I increasingly suspect (utterly correctly judging by this thread) that some women just think it is wrong in some way to go out looking tired/dull/your-age. Almost like not washing properly.
I don't want to stick out, so I conform, to the extent of putting on a bit of foundation. Annoying.
I like wearing make up but can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would care whether other women do or do not wear make up. Having said that I have never looked at a woman without make up and thought she would have looked better with make up but I have looked at a woman with make up on and thought perhaps she would look better without makeup.
PretzelTime - have to say I preferred him with the soot rather than the lippy
MeganCherry - I don't wear make-up on a daily basis as I don't feel the need to. My own mother never wore it unless going out somewhere special, like myself, and she has beautiful skin and is always mistaken for being 10 years younger than she is.
That said I did wear make-up as a teen when I actually cared about other's opinion but then I grew up.
I hardly wear make up these days. On a rare night out I'll put some mascara and lip gloss on as some way of marking that it's an occasion, but otherwise I don't bother. I really like not having to worry about eyeliner smudges in my eye socket creases and all that sort of thing, and I do think that in general my skin has been in better nick since I stopped wearing foundation. I do take care of my appearance in other ways - I have dark eyebrows which I keep well shaped with my Tweezermans, I have my hair cut every 6 weeks, I iron my clothes and so on. I think I'm reasonably well turned out! It's just the make-up I can't be faffed with. I read the beauty pages in Sunday supplements as if they're in another language.
"I do believe rightly or wrongly that men would prefer a made up woman to a bare faced one"
Not so, in my experience! All my exes, and my husband, have said they don't like make-up. However I see your point to an extent because what they probably mean is they don't like Barbara Cartland type make up.
Not really sure the "I used to wear makeup but then I grew up" style posts are any better than the ones saying women are unattractive without makeup to be honest.
I can't read the whole threa, but I had to post as the op's attitude is so opposite to what I am and believe
If you want to wear it fine, go ahead, your choice and no judging of you from me.
I don't most days because
1. I am confident in myself not to feel the need to hide behind anything. This is me.
2. I am just not bothered if I 'look my best' as looks are not the most important part of life. I would be bothered if I was behaving in an unattractive way.
3. my skin is sensitive, so I like to not add extra products to it
4. I am not interested in impressing anyone
5. because I am SAHM and my day might include painting the walls or digging the garden and don't feel the need to wear make up for that
6. because I have 2 dds and I want them to know that you are enough and you value doesn't come from looks
because I don't want to, don't care, am not in the mood, was too busy
Surely the question is why do you want to wear it every day?
I love to dress up and wear make up for an occasion. But I just don't understand why I 'should' wear it every day
Surely wearing make up everyday is damaging to your skin anyway? Plus i always end up looking like a clown when i put my slap on.
I never used to leave the house without makeup on (just a bit of foundation and mascara) but since having dcs I really can't be arsed! I don't like the way it feels on my skin and I spend my days at toddler groups and playdates with small dcs and mums who don't wear makeup either so I really don't see the point.
carmen - my dhs doesn't like women in make-up.
First date I arrived with lipstick on, he was really disconcerted. I knew him already as a friend, and this wasn't 'me'
For him, love and marriage is about friendship and he fell in love with me as I am.
I am sure he finds attractive women attractive, but that isn't actually the same thing as long term love is it?
" annie you illustrate my point beautifully. Turning a make up thread into a political/feminist one."
Just don't want to be leched over by other people's husbands, that's all.
and I am really interested that of lot of poster say they don't because they don't need to because they look good.
Actually I don't look good, look my age and at the moment have horrible red patches roudn my eyes as I have reacted to something and they won't clear up.
But that doesn't make me want to go and put make up on. This is me and if you like me you won't be bothered by whether I am wearing mascara or not
Because I don't want to. Why should I want to "look better"? Women are constantly being told they're not good enough as they are and should improve themselves. I refuse to buy into it.
On the other hand, I look 25 at age 39. I put a lot of that down to having not abused my skin with constant chemical crap for my entire adult life.
So here's an idea - try not wearing makeup. In the long run, you might look better.
because I am 45 and people always look like this > when they ask my age when I tell them I have a 16 year old
they then look like this > when I tell them I also have a 23 year old
then they look like this >
I don't wear make-up because I don't need to
Because I don't want to. Why should I want to "look better"? Women are constantly being told they're not good enough as they are and should improve themselves. I refuse to buy into it.
On the other hand, I look 25 at age 39. I put a lot of that down to having not abused my skin with constant chemical crap for my entire adult life.
So here's an idea - try not wearing makeup. In the long run, you might look better.
Who knew this was such a contentious issue! I didn't.
Though I now know that because I wear makeup that I am ; superficial,going to age badly,am not comfortable with myself,am pandering to men and so on. Just waiting for someone to swoop in and call me a handmaiden.
Who exactly is being more judgemental here? Fucking hell!
Sorry for double post, DH is messing about with the router....
I don't wear make up but not because I am trying 'not to conform'. More precisely, I am trying to signal that I am not interested in participating in the kinds of relationships where I play a certain 'feminine' role and others respond to that femininity. I find the view that I 'would benefit' from understanding how to use all of that stuff highly patronising as I am intelligent, successful and have good relationships despite not wearing make-up. Or ever intending to. Or being interested in whether you do or not, OP.
It's a shame to discuss whether or not men are more or less likely to eye someone up on the basis of make up as it does no favour to the many men that I know who are not interested in playing similarly gendered roles and are interested in having (even sexual) relationships with women who do not wear make up. Many men that I know - perhaps it's just that I'm a bit of a hippy and also work in a university context where people are genuinely much more focused on critical and engaging thinking - would be turned off by the notion that they had to participate in conventional masculine/ feminine gameplay and would read make-up as a way of signalling that was an interest of the woman's. I'm not trying to argue that they wouldn't claim that made-up women don't look more conventionally beautiful. But many men as well as women recognise that conventional codes of beauty are culturally constructed and facilitate particular constructions of relationship which they don't find that interesting. It's therefore both cynical and factually inaccurate to label all men as more sexually interested in women who are signalling conventional models of femininity.
I love make up . Seriously love it.
I wear it most days . Some days I wear loads , some days I wear little ( concealer or gloss ) . Some days I don't wear any . Depends how I feel that day.
I'm not anti - feminist . I don't believe it makes me more attractive or hides flaws . It's just an adult version of dressing up & face paint that I loved as a child .
Make up is in the same group as clothes and hairdos ....your either into it or not ....but it's not essential for life , and it won't make you a better person .
So, because I wear make-up every day then Annie at 52 I should look about 65 then. Crap - do I look 65 because I wear make-up.
but only a little bit because I like it
EmmaBemma same, most of my boyfriends have expressed that they prefer women without make-up.
And to be honest, I wouldn't want to go out with someone who prefers me with make-up.
Sure, it's lovely to see your partner all spruced up, but I'd be a bit hurt if my partner liked me better like that.
"I was paid a small fortune for my face many moons ago. That is how I know what works!"
Good for you (if that's what you wanted). You were paid for your face, not for your makeup. If makeup could make someone into a model there would not be so many disappointed girls leaving auditions, because agencies would show them how to apply their slap before they went.
I'm not anti - feminist
I don't think anyone have said that women who wear makeup are anti-feminist.
However posters have been against the idea that women should, and need face paint. OP was inflammatory by suggesting that women who don't wear it are weird.
I do wear makeup just for me sometimes. I put on some crazy rocker eye stuff to go with my mumsy stay at home outfits. Now that's a bit weird.
Wearing make up is not anti feminist. Mocking, ridiculing, pitying or patronising women who don't is.
And as for all this "women who don't wear makeup just don't know how and would look good and love it if they had lessons" is patronising bullshit.
I am very skilled at applying makeup. I did my own wedding makeup and have been asked many times to do makeup for others. But for me, it's a creative outlet. Like facepainting or cake decorating. It's for fun, for special occasions. Not for everyday. I just can't get that excited about it and prefer to go without.
not everyone cares/obsesses about what they look like. i for one don't give a shit. i am happy, contented and am married to an 'earth man' who sees (lord knows why...) beauty in me as i am. i know i would look better with make up but i can't be arsed, i have other more interesting things to do. i think women with too much make up/over fussed with nail varnish etc imo look somehow a bit sad/insecure and desperate :0) although this is only the thought i have when i look at some women, too self aware, you know the ones. and yes, the same women would look at me and think was a hippy scuffy mess i am, but i accept graciously that i am aging naturally, these women will be terribly unhappy watching it go and thus pile on the makeup thicker and be visiting the 'face drs'
I find that I can't see the person who is wearing make up. And don't get me started on high heels.
Without make up you can see if I am tired, radiant, stressed, healthy. That is a good thing, don't want to pretend to be something I m not. Find that so tiring.
Well I have been up and down the high street twice today without make-up and both times I have hoped not to bump into anyone I know.
Well I'm very grateful to the OP for starting this thread (even if it was for a magazine article as has been suggested).
It's good to know that there are so many women who are confident in their own bodies and don't feel obliged to apply chemicals to their skin morning and night "because I'm worth it".
Good on you ladies!
steppemum, I have the love of my life. I'm certainly not seeking approval from any man.
SoRry but I don't belive vast majority of men prefer women with no make up! Of course not the trowel it on Joan Collins style, but unless the woman is a supermodel, then some. Its a bit like the women who claim their dh's hate porn. Ok, generalising a bit here.
What stands out on this thread though is the way the non make up wearers are getting quite cross. Again, trying to prove(to who?) That they don't need it and won't be pressured. Do they also not do their hair, wear a dress, fake tan, have nails done, in some massive protest to people like me. I'm like a kid in a candy store in a make counter.
Carmen - "I do believe rightly or wrongly that men would prefer a made up woman to a bare faced one"
I don't believe this to be true of all men. Some, perhaps, but not all. DH has seen me both with and without make up and shows no preference for me wearing make up that I've been able to detect. In fact he's commented negatively on occasions where he thinks I'm wearing too much make-up.
What DH does prefer is me to be wearing clothes that emphasise my breasts. And skirts, so that he can see my legs. He'd much rather see me bare-faced in a dress than wearing make up with jeans and a T-shirt.
purplestorm fair enough. At least you admit he finds you attractive wearing a dress. I'd hazrad a guess that most of the make up objectors would also say their dh's don't like dresses, high heels, sexy undies or whatever! They are just proving a point they look great au natural.
This thread is daft.
' I used to wear make up but grew up' eh?
'I look good without make up'
And the best- ' I don't want to hide that I look tired'. You what? Honestly? I bloody do !! That's insane. Oh yes its great looking old and tired. Bloody hell if I've had bad nights with the kids I wanna hide my bags not show em as badges of honour! Please. I'm sure my dp goes to work and his friends say'you look like shit mate'
I look like shit, but radiant.
I rarely wear makeup unless it's a special do or maybe a little on an evening out but even then not always. I have friends who literally cannot go anywhere or be seen withother makeup. Even some in here have said so and Marriedinwhite has been down the high street twice and hoped she didn't meet anyone as she had none on. A find that quite sad really. I've worked in palace where makeup was forbidden, everyone wore the same androgynous type boiler suits and trainers. It's actually quite liberating.
Or a place even, not palace!
Why care what men prefer?
I know DH prefers ME if I decided to wear make up he would tell me it looked nice, if I decided to dye my hair blue he would say no worries. Because it is me doing it.
Make up is a political/feminist issue IMO.
I work in a extremely 'male' work place, none of the women work with wear make up.
bringandbuy Your earth man sees beauty in you because you are gorgeous of course !
Women are naturally very attractive to most men
This whole men prefer make up well I was a tomb so have mostly male friends and as a teenager they caught me without make up and they all said I looked 10 times better without I barely wear any since then.
Maybe a man who wants a woman to look like a doll prefers make up but a real man wants a woman whose not so dressed up shes to scared to have fun in case she breaks her heels e.t.c.
carmen - you have the wrong poster I didn't say that you were looking for anyone.
You said men prefer women with make up. I said my dh doesn't. He doesn't like it (bit of an earth man as someone else said)
And interestingly, I said that I don't wear make up because I don't want to for many reasons.
I have no problem with make up. I like to wear it sometimes, I enjoy dressing up for a night out. but the ops question got me riled because it seems backwards to me.
I don't wear it, because i am caonfident in who am and don't feel the need.
The logic does NOT follow that if you wear it you are underconfident, or not happy with who you are etc. Everyone expresses themselves differently
make up is dirt on your face. if you need it, ask yourself why.
I look shit without make up, but I don't care. I am home on my own (well, with two toddlers) all day, apart from the 30 mins I am at school each morning/afternoon.
Really can't be arsed with slapping the make up on, unless it is for something worth the effort.
'make up is dirt on your face.'
That's funny, because I do feel sort of dirty when I'm wearing it.
Because I'm not unhappy with the natural colours of my face?
Carmen and Feminine in what way exactly do you feel women look 'better' with make up? Do they look like they'd be better at mental arithmetic? Better at cooking pancakes? Better at empathy? Better in bed? Better at colouring in their faces in a socially approved fashion?
Fine if you choose to wear make up, but what exactly are women who don't missing out on?
I think people are over thinking this tbh. Putting on make up for most is just because they think it enhances their appearance.
There is no hidden meaning or underlying low self esteem and if there is then make up maybe their coping mechanism.
It's not for men or other women or to mask feelings it's not. Feminist issue it's just a bit if make up. Lots if women in other cultures wear make up too.
If you don't wear it then that's great for you but don't make huge assumptions about people who do wear it.
What stands out on this thread though is the way the non make up wearers are getting quite cross.
Carmen, I don't usually wear make up but when I do have fun with it. But I'm pissed off with this thread because it seems there is an assumption that women must wear make up.
Why is that? What is so wrong with the unedited versions of ourselves that is so threatening?
Why are men given a free pass to look entirely like themselves, whereas women are deemed to need make up to pass muster? Why do you think that is?
My face is fine exactly as it is. I don't owe the world a pretty face - it's not my duty to make sure that people don't have anything to criticise.
Er, because I don't want to. Yeah, yeah, I look better for it. It's just not a priority of mine, though.
I know what I want to be doing in a morning. I want an extra half hour in bed. Followed by getting up and slurping gallons of tea. Nowhere in that features farting about with lipstick and whatnot.
Men shave. For women who wear make up, it's less time consuming than shaving and motivation for shaving/wearing make up I suspect is the same. It's about the way we look and feel about ourselves. There's also a certain amount of convention attached to both rituals. Wouldn't conclude that we make up wearers must be missing a trick if blokes don't bother with it, which some people seem to be implying. Men spend more time on their faces by the sound of it then most people on this thread!
I would love to get my make up bag out on a few of my friends who never wear make up. I totally admire and almost envy that they are so comfortable in their skin that they never wear any make up, but I'd love to see how they scrub up with just a bit, just out of curiosity.
I like wearing make up. It makes me feel good. I have dark shadows under my eyes, which hasn't got anything to do with how much sleep I get. I like the transformation, with even just the slightest bit of concealer and mascara. I admit, there is a certain amount of self satisfied preening when I apply my make up!
At the very least I like using a tinted moisturiser and some concealer. If I went out without these, I really would feel naked! I'd go as far as saying I need these and would feel lousy without them. I guess it's the equivalent of coffee for me (which I don't drink), wakes me up and helps me prepare for the day. We all have our crutches...
cheeseandpineapple I actually shuddered when you said you wanted to put make up on friends that didn't wear it.
I have never owned make up. Well meaning friends did once persuade me to let them put make up on me. I nearly cried at the result. I felt so false and not like me at all. It was like someone had tried to hide me. You say make up is like a crutch for you, for me it's exactly the opposite, it reduces and enfeebles who I am by trying to change it or hide it.
I do feel sort of dirty when I'm wearing it.
grubby? i feel grubby, as if i need to wash my face.
but if you feel dirty, well, there might be advantages in wearing it...
It's actually quite a fascinating discussion. I'm more the less is more camp (but I'm a lazy fucker) but truly thinking about it the healthiest attitude might be those who wear it now and again for fun but can just as easily and confidently go without rather than those polarised into the never and always camps.
So this is still going on huh...
Men shave. For women who wear make up, it's less time consuming than shaving
Us ladies are expected to shave our bodies, and remove facial hair. AND wear makeup. And a bunch of other things to improve our looks. It's well known that a feminine woman's grooming time is longer than a man's.
"Why are men given a free pass to look entirely like themselves, whereas women are deemed to need make up to pass muster? Why do you think that is?"
This really is the key question.
I don't because:
I'm too lazy to apply it.
I'm too lazy to find decent makeup for when I occasionally decide to wear it.
I feel like I constantly have something gunky on my face.
I'm too lazy.
Dp says I look better without.
It takes too much times.
I'm not very good at applying make up.
Did I mention because I'm lazy?
Both men and women of higher society wore a LOT of make-up in the 18th cen (men wore powdered wigs too) - see Blackadder - it is quite fascinating why that changed. I suppose in the industrial 19th cen fewer men had any leisure time to preen, and it was all about business on wide scale, so it went out of fashion due to the economy of the West. At the same time women still stayed at home and looked after the children, but 'good' women also didn't wear make-up then, it was reserved for 'easy virtue' women.
So it looks like the big trend for makeup later on was the new sexual liberalism, sexualisation of society, as makeup was still seen as sexy and playful (in men's eyes obviously), and then the industry just took over with all the sex thing and how it's all about youth and sex appeal. Red lips = aroused, smokey eyes = siren, rosy cheeks = aroused again, 'fresh look makeup' = country girl look - these are all to play to men's sex appetite.
I suppose punk and business-type 'neat' makeup is different but they are small niche of the industry.
I do admire all the posters who can't give a f* as to how they look unenhanced and don't care about people's perceptions. Even in the 80s/90s it was such a rare attitude. Things are going to change towards no daily makeup eventually, by the looks of it!
Think part of the reason for the perfumes, wigs and make up from centuries ago is because they stank, and were diseased and falling apart with disease etc. hiding some of the ravages of the time.
I love make up and i enjoy putting it on,even if i was naturally bronzed and buffed and scuplted with flawless skin and long thick eyelashes and perfect eyebrows and pouty lips i would still wear it as its one of my pleasures.Same with doing my hair.
I also can see why some people dont bother and tbh i dont care what anyone else does,as for setting an example for my daughter,well i would say the same to her, i enjoy it and if se enjoys it then she can wear it,if shoe doesnt then she doesnt have to....
"Painting lips and pencil-lining your brow
Now is quite respectable..."
at 'falling apart with disease', Begonia! I think it was more to fill their time with SOMETHING - they had very elaborate dress too and that was not needed in so many layers to just cover up, but also it was of course a social thing, i.e. to show they had lots of money and 'refinement' and spare time.
But what I mean men were EQUALLY made-up then, which since vanished as a concept.
Sorry to make you shudder skiinggargener!
I'd love to get my hair straighteners on one of my friends too. Hope that doesn't make you shudder too!
Sorry, I meant skiinggardener
seeker, if men looked entirely themselves, there would be a hell of a lot of bearded men around. As it happens, last time I looked, beards are in the minority.
They don't look entirely themselves, it's another matter of convention.
Cheese I think you'll find that there would also be a surprising number of women with beards around too if no one did anything about their appearance at all!
Removing hair on your chin isn't the quite the same thing as applying makeup IMO.
I look just as shit with make up as without so the extra pillow time wins for me!
Dh says he prefers me without make up, presume he's being honest and my ex's have said the same. It occurs to me that my application method may be the issue.......
My dc's think I look gorgeous no matter what
I only wear makeup when I'm going out all dolled up for a party or dinner. Its a treat for me, and wouldn't feel so special if I put it on everyday. I see cosmetics as luxuries, especially as they're so expensive.
It's really odd to see the passionate defences of makeup here, coupled with assumptions that those of us who go are actually against it, and/or don't know how to put it on.
I own tons of the stuff. I'm good at putting it on, I even know how to do zillions of different looks. This is because it's fun to do sometimes. It's like playing ... at being somebody else; looking like a different kind of person. Which is the precise reason I don't wear it at business meetings.
Either things are going backwards very fast for women (well, I know they are!) or too many of you are being bossed around by outdated, sexist information. That claptrap about getting the business or the raise if you're sporting a face full went out of date in the 1990s. Not coincidentally, this is also when women with serious clout stopped wearing slap for work.
Do I judge women wearing makeup? Only if they've done it really badly
I certainly don't judge them as harshly as some of you are judging us!
motherinferior, make sure your sunscreen doesn't contain un-buffered nanoparticles.
I didn't wear a scrap of makeup til I was 23. I just never got into the habit. Then I decided to, it's all about choices. I'm happy with my choice to wear it but I was equally happy with my choice not to wear it.
ria. Think you know what feminine and I mean.
Better as in more grromed, even skin tone, youthful and so on.
Those who try and make this into something else, ie motloth who said it WAS a political/feminist issue have too much time on their hands. Everying on mumsnet is turned into a political or feminist issue! Do these posters scour the net looking articles and papers do back up their theories? Jesus.
I have no agenda. I like spending time on my image, love it. Love make up and beauty products. And so do the vast majority of people if the make up industry is anything to go by. Do tell me about marketing or the media. Telling us we have to a certain way. I don't care. I like looking good.
So non make up wearers what do you do when you go out for dinner or a party. Do you wear party frocks, shave your legs put mascara on even.
Good for all of you who are comfortable that you look great without make up. No eye shadows, perfect even skintone, not washed out or pale, eyelashes that frame you eyes nicely. I suppose you don't care if you have or not? Its better to walk out looking knackered than lose your argument.
Like I said a while ago the people who say they don't need make up are the very ones who do!
Also I agree with the poster who would like to 'make up' certain peoples faces. Not because they have anything wrong with them, just to to glam them up a bit. In all honesty though, there are very few people who wear no make up ever at all.
no eye shadows, perfect even skintone, not washed out or pale, eyelashes that frame you eyes nicely
i have dark hair and olive skin- it never looks pale or washed out, and my eyelashes are thick, long, and dark.
it is a real struggle for you, isn't it to accept that even by your standards, that there are some people who don't need makeup (and i use need very cautiously, as obviously no one does), and that no one owes anyone a made up face.
i am not letting anyone down by not wearing makeup. it really is one of least important things about me, and were i to start it would not add one iota of benefit or pleasure to my life, and i could give two farts in a high wind about how much better it would be for anyone else if i did.
it is not something for you to bemoan or ponder or anything else, anymore than it is for someone to bemoan or ponder that some people are so deliciously vapid and devoid of substance that they are incapable of understanding that other people have different priorities to them,and that that is okay.
'not washed out or pale' I have very pale skin I still don't wear make up and while tanned is popular here I've been complemented on how lovely and pale my skin is by for foreign people beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
"Good for all of you who are comfortable that you look great without make up. No eye shadows, perfect even skintone, not washed out or pale, eyelashes that frame you eyes nicely. I suppose you don't care if you have or not? Its better to walk out looking knackered than lose your argument."
Actually, I have a blotchy skin tone, unplucked eyebrows and a white-head problem. And you know what, if I don't care I really don't understand why you do.
I wear what I'm comfortable in, things that make me feel comfortable with myself, and that project my personality. The things I wear are more or less formal depending on the situation.
As a re-encator and costumier I'm well aware of the constructs of fashion the issues surrounding our appearance.
I hang out with men who wear a lot more make-up and hair product than me, and it doesn't seem to bother them, so why should it bother you?
A lot of the criticism being given to us poor painted ladies is that we do it to fit in or please men:society. However a few non wearers have stated one of the reasons they don't wear it is that "dh prefers me without it" or "I look better without it" isn't that an odd parallel?
I'm really that you assume that because some of us wear no make up that we must look shit without it!
I went out for dinner with DH last night. Dressed up, but with no make up.
And I looked fine.
Yes, I could have enhanced my appearance; I could have altered my appearance. But I chose not to. I was out having a perfectly civilised, relaxed and pleasant evening in an expensive restaurant, with my husband - who wanted to go out to dinner with me.
And to repeat seeker's post:
"Why are men given a free pass to look entirely like themselves, whereas women are deemed to need make up to pass muster? Why do you think that is?"
Last time I wore any make up was for my wedding, I think. And that was more out of convention that anything.
I do not care how I look, so long as I am clean, tidy(ish) and appropriately clothed.
Others do care. That's fine too.
Oh and by the way, OP, just to make you shudder even more, I am 53. Get me! Going out without make-up, looking all old.
i think that was in response to claims that men would fancy us . more if we wore makeup, including our husbands regardless of what they claim
i don't wear makeup for the same reason i don't do ikebana- i just don't fancy it
you made up ladies- how many of you have learned to speak serbo croatian fluently? it is a beautiful language, and you would be able to read excellent epic poetry in the original format. if you haven' t yet mastered it, why not? it would make journeys in the balkans much more pleasurable for you and others.
when i think of women not bothering to master such a complex and evocative language i fell really
if the above sounds deranged, have a little reflecto on your insistence that women should wear makeup. if anything, learning a language is at least useful
I too don't 'need' make up. I have olive skin and dark eyebrows and long dark eyelashes. Sometimes I make them look longer with false ones.
Make up is fun to me. Some posters seriously need to lighten up. I have a feeling some wouldn't wear it if their life depended on it just to prove their point.
Agree with ledkr too. 'My dh prefers me without' type of comments. Surely that should be a reason to do the opposite rather than be man pleasers!
carmen can you do ikebana? can you speak serbocroatian? can you make lace, or play the dulcimer?
sad 4 u hunn
Actuallyi have learned two languages as an adult, in between applying my slap .
I wonder how many non make up defenders also don't like pink for girls either?
No-one is saying that you shouldn't enjoy make up. Lots of people have said it's fun. Lots of people have said they use it always/sometimes/occasionally to make themselves look attractive/better/different.
But we don't have to use make up if we don't want to. Some people are quite happy not to use it. Some people simply don't care what they look like without it.
But when we tell you this, you tell people to 'lighten up'?!
Which paper is the Op writing for?
people don't do things i like to do, and don't think like meeeeeeeeee
what is wrong with -- me for giving a shit-- them?
I really have a hard time getting my head around these kinds of 'issues'.
If you want to wear make up, wear it. For whatever reason you like. If you do not want to wear make up, do not wear it. For whatever reason you like.
Live and let live. How do people not get that?
As for pleasing the men in your life, if that's your priority, fine. If it isn't your priority, fine. I imagine most men and women are happy when their partner is feeling happy and confident. Make up, or lack thereof, contributes to this.
Why is everyone being so defensive on this thread? The op has gone and he opener was ridiculous and provocative but it has now become a battle for people to justify what they do or don't do.
People have made a great case for the reasons they do not wear it which are as I said oddly similar to the reasons people have given for wearing it.
It maybe true that people who wear make up lack confidence and self esteem but surely the fact they can improve on that is fantastic.
I personally mostly wear it but am equally as happy to go out without it.
Especially on the summer when I find my skin problems settle down.
I was in the house all day yesterday with the dc. Nobody called in and I didn't go out but I wore some makeup as I'd had a sleepless night and looked tired. It just made me feel better but I certainly didn't feel obliged to put it on.
As I said up thread I work with vulnerable females and have in the past helped them apply some make up to give them confidence in attending court or going out for the first time on a while.
The smile on their face when they look in the mirror is living proof that the right make up can improve ones confidence even if just for a moment.
To me it's no more significant than wearing nice clothes or shoes and having your hair styled.
If make up is so evil then so are nicely cut dresses or a haircut.
If you actually cared so little about how you looked to society then you would be happy in the same drab clothes which were functional and warm and a comfy pair of shoes with long straggly hair which is never cut or brushed. All those things are equally as fake as make up.
Nah, I can't. I'm a fick bimbo.
Ledkr, reckon all thus was exactly what
journo op wanted! Lots of juicy material for their article! A cat-fight transcribed into cut and paste article, easy money...
"Like I said a while ago the people who say they don't need make up are the very ones who do!"
I think it is this sort of line that riles people a little!
The name is oddly contrived too isn't it?
Well if she prints my posts I shall either want royalty s or celebrity status lol
yes. if you don't wear makeup, you must roll in filth before donning your burlap sack, or you are a hypocrite or something.
i am glad the women you work with feel better with makeup. that's great. not everyone does. there is no makeup that i could put on that would make me change and suddenly wear it all the time. that is fine too, surely?
make up is dirt on your face. if you need it, ask yourself why
I'm haven't worn make up for over a week, it's shoved in a carrier bag, which I can't find.
I always wear makeup for work and I rarely wear makeup for days off.
I can't find my hairbrush either so I haven't brushed my hair for about 5 days! What's MN think to that then?!
Chibi I never said it wasn't . I don't always wear it. My clients don't always want it. It's not right for everyone but if you do wear it your not suddenly a man pleasing simpering wreck of a woman.
When I was ten my mother started putting blusher on me for school because in her opinion, I looked "ill and sickly" and she didnt want the school to think I was ill. I developed cystic acne at 13 and got into the horrid agressive cycle of covering it with as much make-up as possible, making the acne worse so then applying more make-up etc. Its taken me years to get to a point where Ive weaned myself away from the belief that I need to "hide" my horrid skin and am now in a place where I chose to wear it if I want to but equally chose not to if I dont. Funnily enough the acne has disappeared now although I do have a lot of scarring which Ive been told would need a chemical peel to tone it down so its less red and obvious.
I have a 2yo DD and will be careful not to impose make-up wearing on her in the same way that my mother did. Other than that its a choice - some women want to wear it which is fine. Some dont which is also fine. Surely in an age where women are scrutinised in every aspect of their lives, appearance and role in society, threads like this are destructive. We shouldnt be picking holes in each other and passing judgement on those who do differently to ourselves; there is enough judgement in the world already.
The OP is so a journalist!
Well bully for you love.
I don't give a flying fart what you think of me at the school gates as I turn up bare faced, I'll take comfort in the thought I'm not as vapid as you.
I know some of you would benefit from learning how to take care of your skin and apply makeup though.
I know how to take care of my skin.
I know how to apply make up.
When people find out my age I have, a couple of times, been asked what creams / cleansers I use because my skin is clear and looks healthy (well my face, I have psoriasis elsewhere which doesn't look so good).
I know 80 and 90 year-old with beautiful complexions and skin like a child - it's all in the genes. Some wear make-up and some don't
"Like I said a while ago the people who say they don't need make up are the very ones who do!"
<whispers very gently> Um, carmenelectra, no-one, and I mean not one person anywhere ever, needs makeup. 'Tis true. You will continue to live and breathe if it should all vanish overnight.
I've always worn some since my late twenties, usually concealer, mascara and lipgloss. Recently I've started wearing a bit more (36). I really don't care whether others do or not nor wonder why they choose not to.It's sort of like saying "I eat eggs for breakfast everyday, I like eating eggs for breakfast everyday. Why don't other people like eating eggs for breakfast everyday?". Ridiculous. My mother looks gorgeous with makeup yet most days she does not put a skerrick of it on, even though she knows she looks tireder without it. She simply can't be bothered putting it on if all she's going to do is break up the daffodil bulbs or something. Honestly, my dad hardly notices either way..although he will say she looks nice - he'll say it if her cheeks are flushed from a walk or if she's dressed up for an event.
Another issue I have is mascara, if I wear it I forget its on and when I rub my eyes I look like someone's just punched me! Pretty sure that's not the look I should be going for!
I definitely look better with a touch of make up because I am pale with fair eyelashes. If I was born during Elizabeth I's reign - I probably would have been considered a beauty with my naked face
I wear make up every day for work because it makes me feel a bit more polished - in the same way I wear smart clothes.
Out of work, I like to be make up free and slouch around in comfy clothes.
If this hasn't totally run its course now,can I ask, those that don't bother with make-up...do you?
shave your legs?
colour your hair? cover your greys?
Feminine - legs - sometimes. I dislike tights with hairy legs!!
Hair colour - have done as I love red hair. Do not have greys.
Wax - never have.
Use scents - have done. Will do again for nights out once Dd2 is a bit older. I use deoderant each day.
Why do you ask?
Why do you ask Feminine ? I do some of those things and not others. The thing is I can see it as a social construct and don't care if other women do or don't do it.
since you ask:
I don't shave my legs
I don't colour my hair/ cover greys (look at my profile pic, I'm not ashamed!)
I don't wax
I use deodorant and I occasionally use perfume.
I never use make up, don't even own any
And guess what, I don't straighten my very curly hair either.
I think i need to wear make up. I rarely do but if i am putting make up on it's normally only mascara and bronzer.
Have even been on nights out with a bare face, hate seeing myself in mirrors on nights out after a few drinks with make up but then i'm glad i don't bother wearing it most the time. Quite a few men have said how good it is that i don't wear make up. They seem to think i'm more confident for it when really i'm not and i'm quite insecure.
Didn't even wear make up to go on my first date with my DP! Much better waking up next to someone looking the same as they were the night before instead of seeing an un made face.
Much better waking up next to someone looking the same as they were the night before instead of seeing an un made face. ... or still with smudged makeup from the night before!
You answered your own question all by yourself in your OP when you stated that your wear makeup 'just for me'
Ummmm ..... so there you go then.
I sometimes wear mascara and eyeliner. I dont ever really do the full face of make up but I would do a lot more if I had bad skin/looked very old/had wrinkles so Im not against it
shave your legs? No - but wax
colour your hair? cover your greys? Yes definitely - I work in a field where to be old is a dreadful thing, regrettably. And as I want my business to stay in business, this is something I invest money in
wax? Yes - legs, armpits, bikini line - a social construct, but which I feel uncomfortable about if I don't 'conform'
Use scents/deod? Always deodorant. Why would I want to smell? Perfume - when I feel like it.
Not quite sure what the point of the questions is, because these are things I do. Just like I don't wear make-up very often.
Oh, and I have my eyelashes tinted regularly, because:
- I'm too lazy to put mascara on
- mascara can irritate my contact lenses
Anything else you'd like to know about my daily hygiene?!
Not read thread yet but I've also wondered about this. My sister very rarely wears it. I don't have the self confidence to go bare faced though. I feel I can't look people in the eye it's weird as I'm fairly confident otherwise. I do love all things makeup but sometimes wish I looked good enough to manage without it. I think I look ill without it on. Off to read fred now!