to not believe that the DSS would investigate a benefits claimant for anything other than someone reporting them?

(76 Posts)
MoodyDidIt Thu 10-Jan-13 10:38:18

my BF is is a single parent and has had a letter today saying she has got to visit the jobcentre, as there is some sort of "query" with her benefits. they have been suspended until after her visit and she is very worried and upset.

she has nothing to worry about because as far as she is concerned she hasn't done anything wrong (ie no cash in hand working or dp living with her) but obviously it will affect her financially while its being investigated.

she doesn't believe anyone would report her, but i think she's being a bit naive and i think someone probably has, and if i was her i would be very concerned that i probably couldn't trust someone in my life. hmm i have been in a similar situation a few years ago when i was a single mum, and there was no way that it could have come from anything other than someone maliciously reporting me. (i should add i had done nothing wrong either, and nothing came of my investigation)

but surely they would not just randomly pick people out of their records to investigate for no reason? i wouldn't think they have the time or the resources to do this?

KatyPeril Thu 10-Jan-13 10:41:25

I think somebody must have reported. I doubt they'd pick random names out of a hat.

cozietoesie Thu 10-Jan-13 10:42:45

They certainly could investigate them for other reasons. A fair bit of 'data matching' goes on nowadays. Doesn't mean that she's done anything wrong and presumably she'll come out of it OK. Maybe just an inconsistency that has to be resolved.

overthemill Thu 10-Jan-13 10:44:10

probably someone has reported them but they DO investigate randomly (via computer generated stuff). she should seek advice from cab

There could be any number of things, someone may have used her national insurance number, she may have missed a back to work interview, they may have cross referenced with another agency and there is a wrong DOB or name spelling somewhere. She will more than likely find out when she attends but it doesn't mean she has been reported.

IneedAgoldenNickname Thu 10-Jan-13 11:17:48

I've been investigated, the job centre said I was picked at random. I have a couple if friends who have had the same thing, so I assume it was random. However none of us had our benefits stopped as a result.

MoodyDidIt Thu 10-Jan-13 11:18:52

data matching?? confused whats that?

i doubt they would stop her benefits though for any other reason than someone filing a report

bet they don't pay her any money back, i don't think they did when it happened to me.

WorraLiberty Thu 10-Jan-13 11:19:49

I think before you make her paranoid, you should let her get the appointment out of the way and find out exactly what the problem is.

It could be a clerical error that's flagged something up for example.

gobbledegook1 Thu 10-Jan-13 11:24:53

If someone has reported you they actually tell you on arrival that you are there because someone has done so and what the person has claimed. What they won't tell you is the name of the person that reported you or whether that person is male or female.

Tell her not to worry, if she's not ding anything wrong they'll lift the suspension pretty quickly. It might be an inconsistency with some info given, or a data error. They stop the benefits as a precaution in case she's a no-show at the interview.

I was recently told that my benefits were stopping as I had no child.....when I quite clearly do and have the scars and stitches to prove it! They get things wrong a lot.

They would. They stopped my tax credits because they did a random check with the child benefits people and there was an inconsistancy with one of my dcs dob.

Why are you so convinced she has been reported, is she doing anything wrong? Does she have a boyfriend stay over a lot or something?

If they don't find anything wrong they have to pay her the money back.

cozietoesie Thu 10-Jan-13 11:32:59

MoodyDidIt

Right hand has a bunch of (usually computer) information, left hand has a bunch of information, they put the two together and compare them.

What cozietoesie said....

One system said I had a child, the other one didn't....so it confused the hell out of them.

Anniegetyourgun Thu 10-Jan-13 11:38:52

A relative was called into the Jobcentre a few weeks ago because they (the Jobcentre that is) had paid a couple of weeks' JSA late and my relative hadn't noticed. Obviously this must mean that he didn't really need the money, ergo he must be working on the side hmm As soon as he explained the situation they were fine about it.

I'm sure they do occasional spot checks anyway, as indeed they should.

coppertop Thu 10-Jan-13 11:41:39

I had a letter from a tax credits compliance officer to say that they were investigating my claim. They wanted proof that I received DLA for my DSes. They were happy to wait for the extra few days it took to get copies of the relevant paperwork.

I don't talk about finances IRL so I would be very surprised if the investigation was triggered by someone reporting me. I think they do sometimes randomly pick names.

picketywick Thu 10-Jan-13 11:45:55

I suspect most of the reports to the DSS are done by people who do not know the complex system.

If you ever try to read the DSS laws in the library; you need a barristers brain to understand it all Simple it is not.

AmberLeaf Thu 10-Jan-13 11:59:34

Not necessarily a report.

I was sent a letter and asked to call/come in due to a query.

They wanted proof I was me and I had to take bills and things proving I lived at the address on my claim.

Turned out that someone was using my details to claim in another part of London.

They sent a letter also making a big point that they had no reason to believe it was from info gained from within the system.

In short what it seemed it was was a fraudulent claim made by someone who worked for DWP using my details.

It was cleared up when I showed all my paperwork inc kids school letters, letters about my sons outpatients at local hospital etc.

TandB Thu 10-Jan-13 12:20:47

It's not necessarily a report. I have just come back from court where I was representing someone up for benefit fraud. That came to light due to cross referencing between agencies. They were claiming something that should have meant they also claimed something else which they didn't.

It won't be a random check if her benefits have been stopped. There will be something actively being investigates but it could be a mistake or something minor.

MoodyDidIt Thu 10-Jan-13 14:40:39

wow amberleaf thats shocking. makes you wonder if a lot of it goes on, i suppose if employees know the system well, they also know how to cheat it. or attempt to. glad it got sorted.

and thats what i thought kungfu - if it was just a random check then why would they stop someone's money. if it was me i would be sure someone had tried to report me. but then maybe i am paranoid and untrusting grin

JeezyOrangePips Thu 10-Jan-13 14:47:50

There is a lot of inter agency communication. For example, if someone had registered for council tax and the officials had mistakenly put them in the wrong house (crescent rather than street, or wrong house number) that can cause problems with benefits.

MammaTJ Thu 10-Jan-13 16:04:35

If someone applies for a loan using her address, that would be enough to get her investigated.

A car belonging to someone other than her registered at her address would also do it.

MoodyDidIt Thu 10-Jan-13 17:50:18

hmmm i can see why that would get someone investigated mamatj grin

LineRunner Thu 10-Jan-13 18:14:34

My understanding of 'data matching' is where the DWP or the Council has a look at your credit files to see of anyone else is connected with your address, for example, if you are claiming as a single parent.

thecook Thu 10-Jan-13 18:36:52

If someone has reported her she will be told during the interview. This happened to me but I wasn't told until about an hour into the interview when I shouted at the staff and asked why they had brought me in.

The allegations were totally unfounded and I had my JSA stopped for months as a result. I got a solicitor in the end (legal aid). They sifted through every detail of my financial affairs. They had my bank statements on the table when I entered the interview room. The solicitor sorted it all out for me in the end. He had to keep reapplying for legal aid for me though. He must have earnt a bit out of it!

Although I am now working I have submitted a couple of FOI and data protection forms. I know I won't find out who did this to me but it will keep them busy.

TandB Thu 10-Jan-13 18:40:44

thecook - pretty irrelevant, but if your solicitor kept telling you he was having to reapply for legal aid for the investigative stage of your case, then he was telling you porkie-pies! You automatically qualify for free representation for interviews and if there is any other work to do it is a simple form and you either qualify for free help or you don't. No application necessary, let alone multiple ones!

MoodyDidIt Fri 11-Jan-13 14:40:03

thecook

omg that is absolutely awful. it must have been so scary for you. and they went through your bank statements.....bloody hell shock

why the hell do people do this to other human beings sad (i mean, the people who ofile fake reports)

thecook Fri 11-Jan-13 17:14:26

MoodyDidIt I knew I hadn't done anything wrong but I still felt scared before the interview. They went through everything on my bank statements, even questioning a £25 spend on my debit card in IKEA. (I had brought some very much needed crockery) They asked why I had made two withdrawals for £10 cash in one day. They even asked why I had given a small donation to a leukemia charity (My friend's little boy had it and it was a sponsored walk).

I suspect my first boyfriend (over 20 years ago). I met up with him (bloody FB) and he made advances which I rebuked.

I even wrote to my bank asking why they had given my statements. Four months later I got a reply. They said they were allowed to.

The investigator told me they got lots of malicious people phoning up them and telling lies about benefit claimants. I think it is unfair to stop people's benefits whilst they investigate.

stephrick Fri 11-Jan-13 17:36:56

I had my housing benefits stopped for 3 months for a check, sent everything in but as you all say left hand doesn't know what right hand is doing, I was prompt but they were not, they had to back date but I had to borrow in the mean time. Whilst checks should be made, a withdraw of benefits without notice unfair.

stephrick Fri 11-Jan-13 17:40:52

Lets not also forget that you can also have a few thousand in the bank whilst claiming, but the majority of us don't, no savings and living month to month.

Darkesteyes Fri 11-Jan-13 17:49:20

We are innocent until proven guilty in this country apart from benefit investigations where you are thought of as guilty until proven innocent.

stephrick Fri 11-Jan-13 18:01:26

I agree, when I've taken in documents to the council they treat you like a sponger. I'm working, my eldest son is working but we need a little assistance with private rent. My other 2 children in full time education, let me rent a council house and I won't need their help. I don't mean to go on but I know single people in 3 bed social housing.

maddening Fri 11-Jan-13 18:06:22

Or has she missed a review or something?

dashoflime Fri 11-Jan-13 18:11:13

I work in the CAB as a benefits adviser and there are loads of reasons that the DWP would investigate besides someone making a report.

The most common one being a discrepancy between the info given to the DWP, the council and the Inland Revenue.

Please don't stir up trouble between your friend and her friends/neighbours hmm

Do encourage her to seek advice though

MoodyDidIt Sat 12-Jan-13 09:26:50

hi dashof

thanks for that. i will definitely encourage her to seek advice from the CAB. i wouldn't stir up trouble for her, thats the last thing i want for her. but i just know that when i was wrongly reported, i had a very strong suspicion it was someone in my social group, and i believe i was right. it goes without saying i have nothing to do with that person anymore.

i honestly had no idea that they would investigate for any other reasons, i am surprised they have the time or resources - although i do agree with it i might add! but i think its unfair to stop people's benefits, most have children to feed and no other income.

can i ask for what other reasons might they investigate?

glitch Sat 12-Jan-13 09:36:19

I had to go in recently. I had to change the time of the appointment and they made clear on the phone that if I missed 2 appointments my benefits would be suspended.
At my interview I asked why I was being investigated and they said it was quite usual for lone parents who have recently separated to be called in as there are so many get back together with their partners and don't inform the dss.
I really hope that is the last time I have to go in for a while. It is bad enough I have to rely on benefits (I am a carer so it is not simply a case of me getting a job) but to have someone pick over your bank statements is just humiliating.

It's most likely a clerical error. Many, many times our benefit has been stopped in the past because we've given a form to the jobcentre, and they've lost it/put it in wrong/just left it sitting there.

Once, they lost the same form three times.
The level of incompetence in JCs is appalling. I suspect part of it may be due to targets/overwork, though.

dashoflime Sat 12-Jan-13 11:28:00

like others have said: a clerical error could have done it

I've also seen people investigated for fraud of one benefit, because the payments of another benefit were messed up (e.g: paid late in a lump sum, looking a bit like a wage payment on the account details)

The main thing to bear in mind is that the DWP, the HB dpt of the council and the Inland Revenue routinely share information, so it could be something she's said herself to another agency. Or something that looks unusual in her bank account.

digerd Sat 12-Jan-13 18:04:48

I don't understand your bank, as mine said only under a court order would they have to divulge details of my bank account. But mine was a different matter, nothing to do with the DHSS. But surely the same applies. That was in 1999, though.

digerd Sat 12-Jan-13 18:15:41

I worked for the DHSS in the 70s, before computors, tax credits etc. We had just the one fraud officer in our dept.
The main frauds were the unemployed working on the side and not declaring it. Ficticious sick notes and working, and one woman got married, did not declare it and kept on receiving the benefit.
It was impossible to search for savings in bank A/Cs if they said they had none.
Of course now it is probably quite different.

dashoflime Sat 12-Jan-13 19:28:29

I think the Inland Revenue is notified of savings on which tax is paid and then they share the information with the DWP.

I could be wrong, but that's my understanding of how it happens

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 12-Jan-13 19:31:17

They do randomly pick people in certain groups, a computer tells them who to check they also investigate people who have had there addresses used for credit related fraud,people who have been reported as well as people who piss off the dwp advisor.

She could have also missed a meeting

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 12-Jan-13 19:52:54

According to a friend of mine who is a current fraud investigator most people who are reported are reported by a family member and nowadays they have to investigated a certain % of claimants as routine

digerd Sat 12-Jan-13 20:12:57

In the 70s, the Income Tax dept was in the same building, but said they could not divulge anything to anybody including the DHSS about a claimant of ours.

digerd Sat 12-Jan-13 20:18:02

However, I do know that the police managed to get info on a suspect thief's bank account balance. The poor man was overdrawn by 26p so was accused of stealing where he worked by the police investigating.

LineRunner Sat 12-Jan-13 20:28:52

I thought the rules had changed in the last couple of years to allow the DWP, HMRC and Councils to check against credit files such as Experian?

It's credit files that yield the most infiormation about people apparently associated with certain addresses.

Sadly, much of this data is wrong.

Always ask if you are being questioned because of credit reference agency files, I have just decided.

dashoflime Sat 12-Jan-13 21:08:29

Digerd: I think they might have changed it with the advent of tax credits:
The intention was to allow info on Tax Credit, Benefit and Housing Benefit claims to be shared between the agencies as getting one will effect your entitlement to the others.

Linerunner: Completely forgot about Experian! Your right: that too.

The point is, it might not be possible to find out why you've been investigated, so please don't fall out with your friends and neighbours by assuming someone's grassed you up.

snailvarnish Sat 12-Jan-13 21:15:10

This happened to me a while back. I was on IS and had been for a while without any trouble. All of a sudden I was summoned to a meeting. I went in...answered a few questions and everything was ok. They even gave me £4.20 to cover my petrol and parking hmm

It may be nothing to worry about. I had a lot of trouble too because of old tennants post coming to my house. Had some very rude letters through from HB accusing me of having other people in the house and if they had just looked back through the previous tennants of my flat they would have seen it was all ok.

LineRunner Sat 12-Jan-13 22:24:18

I have tried for ten years to get my ExH's name off various utililty-type bills, and it is only this last year when I have been complaining that it is precisely because of these new rules about data matching that it needs to happen, has any of these companies finally agreed to do it.

It's amazing who can still be 'linked' to one's address.

StinkyWicket Sat 12-Jan-13 22:28:22

We've been claiming tax credits and child benefit since Jan 2009 and have been audited twice, nothing ever came of it and to my memory they didn't stop the benefits coming while we got the info together (although to be fair I did fax it the same day we had the letter).

Although may be totally different as TC not HB etc

StinkyWicket Sat 12-Jan-13 22:36:04

LineRunner you have a very good case of breach of data protection there. Companies are only supposed to keep information that is accurate and relevant.

I work for a bank and we have to do data protection training every year, mine wasn't too recent but that I do remember!

LineRunner Sat 12-Jan-13 22:44:25

StinkyWicket It's odd that companies like British Gas were so adamant that they couldn't take my ExH's name of the bill unless he requested it 'because of data protection'!

It seemed mad, as I was still left paying the bill anyway, and he would be freed of any liability.

fatandfifty Sat 12-Jan-13 22:56:16

I am a Fraud Investigator for the DWP. Our referrals come from friends, family and neighbours of the claimants, usually via the Benefit Fraud Hotline which is anonymous.
We also data match the National Insurance computer system for people who have received National Insurance credits whilst being unemployed, sick or carer, and who have also paid National Insurance for the same period
HMRC notifies us of claimants who have received interest on savings which suggest they might have in excess of the prescribed limits for claiming a means tested benefit, and we receive information from credit reference agencies where single claimants might have joint credit or financial links to someone else.
We are able to obtain bank statements, utility bills, wage slips and all manner of other things during our investigations in order to prove or disprove an allegation.
We would not ordinarily stop someone's benefit prior to an Interview under Caution unless we had irrefutable proof that they were not entitled to benefit, such as proof they were working, or bank statements showing they had more than £16,000 in savings. These are black and white instances of benefit law,
In cases where we are investigating whether a claimant is Living with someone as husband and wife, or is not as disabled as they purport to be, the investigations are much more complex, the evidence has to be far more compelling, and the benefit can only be stopped by a Decision Maker.
We are not allowed to call people in for a taped Interview under Caution, unless we suspect a criminal offence has been committed.
Many of out investigations result in a Prosecution, because, lets face it, Benefit fraud is just another name for theft.

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 12-Jan-13 23:42:57

Fatandfifty,

Do you obtain credit info as a result of starting a investigation or do the credit ref agencies actually know the benefit status of everybody and automatically provide ou with info that prompts an investigation?

How come hmrc can't do exactly the same thing with bank statements utility bills ect, the amount of clients I have who hacve had to pay to get an entire years worth of bank statements and duplicate copies of household bills as well as benefit entitlement letters like cb dla ca ect to send to tax credit claimant compliance, seams stupid if hmrc can just get it themselves, a bit like causing a claimant unnessacery work.

MerryCouthyMows Sun 13-Jan-13 00:42:46

How would it be taken if a Lone Parent on Income Support had their TV license and Sky bill paid for by an Ex partner?

I'm worried now because my Ex pays these as additional maintenance (his choice), as if he didn't, I wouldn't have TV for the DC's. The TV license is in my name, but paid from his bank account, but the sky is in his name.

Also, my water company won't let me pay by Standing Order (due to disability related memory problems, I cannot manage Direct Debits), so he pays the Water bill by Direct Debit, and I have a Standing Order set up that divides the £24 a month DD up into £22 every 4 weeks by SO.

Could it cause problems for me?

The Water bill there is no way around, as I absolutely cannot manage my finances by DD and they won't let me pay by SO.

fatandfifty Sun 13-Jan-13 08:18:59

Sockreturningpixie - Experian provide information to us which can result in an investigation, although to be honest, the referrals from them are not very high quality. More often than not, investigations into 'Living together' cases are the result of an anonymous tip off. In those cases, we instigate a financial check into the claimant's life.
Merrycouthymows - We certainly look at whether a third party is paying for utilities etc, and the fact that your ex pays for Sky, Water and TV licence would be red flags, but the investigation would cover much more, and possibly include surveillance.
In your case, if it came to the attention of the Fraud Investigators, it would almost certainly warrant further investigation on the face of it. If surveillance didn't uncover your ex being at your address, you could still be called in for an Interview under Caution, where you could offer an explanation into why he is paying. If what you say is the only link between you, I should think you would not be found to be Living together.

Out of interest FandF can i ask how you make the decision to do surveilance?

cozietoesie Sun 13-Jan-13 08:48:30

The importance or otherwise of the case, I should imagine. (Money/principle/public profile etc etc....)

MerryCouthyMows Sun 13-Jan-13 18:18:26

Thank you for the information. Will it make a difference that I told them when I claimed, and I tell them again at every Work Focused Interview, that he is paying the TV License and Sky bills as additional maintenance, backed up in writing by my Ex?

I also have it in writing that though the water bill is paid by DD from his account, I am paying him by SO from my account, and that is provable by my bank statements too. Would that all help?

cozietoesie Sun 13-Jan-13 18:22:44

MerryCouthyMows

Don't worry so much. If they were to ask you about those specific things, just tell them the facts.

smile

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 13-Jan-13 18:41:43

I'm actually shocked that credit check companies know whose on benefits unless a claimant discloses that info in the course of obtaining credit its not there business, surely a benefit claim is between the dwp and claiment and nothing at all to do with a third party agency.

I've got no issue with dwp starting an investigation then applying for info but to have info passed the other way as matter of course, is wrong.

Do they do this about everybody or just those on benefits? Does the dwp have access to credit info about people who don't claim?

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 13-Jan-13 18:44:45

Merrycouthy.

As long as your ex is maintaining housing elsewhere and you do not do things like a couple would ( socialising making future plans stuff like that) other than where its warrented for child related reasons and child contact then you have nothing to worry about.

zeeboo Sun 13-Jan-13 19:11:17

I disagree fatandfifty. In our team anon info makes up around 20% of our work and the rest is almost entirely from staff or organisational referral and data matching. Most of our stuff from the fraudline gets weeded out in the risk assessment.
Totally agree on the CRA matches though. Totally useless so far.
I'm loving the outrage here on what info we can see. And no, it's not a breach of DP.

fatandfifty Sun 13-Jan-13 19:43:39

MerryCouthyMows - You should have nothing to worry about if you are keeping DWP informed of your circumstances, and you have a paper trail showing payments to your ex.
Zeeboo - I agree, we get a lot of staff referrals, but I think they are just ticking a box to achieve their objective of completing x number of FRFs. They are rarely worth an investigation. We rarely get GMS working cases these days.
onadifferentplanet - We generally undertake surveillance on cases where a single person, claiming benefit is alleged to be living with someone, or in cases where someone is claiming benefit on the grounds of disability where the disability is in doubt.
I'm not going to add anything else to this debate as I don't particularly want to give away more details of what we can/can't do.

BreastmilkNewYearLatte Sun 13-Jan-13 19:54:02

It could be identity theft. A friend had her incapacity benefit suspended because his father had used her name and address and NI number to register a business with the tax people.

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 13-Jan-13 20:07:12

Zee boo, I'm not outraged about data protection.im just surprised by credit agencies randomly passing info.

I'm not on benefits I have not claimed child benefit even when it was not means tested. What surprised me is that my credit info could be passed to the dwp. Or if that's not the case then how to experian know who to send info on?

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 13-Jan-13 20:10:42

Fatandfifty,

The DWP fraud staff manuals are available on line for anybody who is interested to read as are the hmrc fraud manuals and tax credit claiment compliance staff manuals.

They have to publish them or provide them for a FOI request, and I know they are there because I have them open in another window now.

zeeboo Sun 13-Jan-13 23:54:21

Sockpixie, it isn't random that's why! It's a data match between credit reference agencies like experian the DWP data matching service which also provides data matches to the local authorities.
They are targeted, specific and lawful and of no concern to those not on benefits.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 14-Jan-13 00:12:55

Ohhhh well that's ok then I thought you ment they had acess to everybody's

DizzyZebra Mon 14-Jan-13 05:06:21

I was accused of fraud once and had to go in, First time i'd ever claimed benefits. They had my address down as being at my Dads AND my Mums. No idea to this day why - The only logical conclusion i can come to is that as my mum and dad split up the same month i left school (And obviously they got no CB anymore for me) someone must have assumed as his claim had disappeared that i'd gone with my Mum.

It was all quickly sorted out - Thankfully several of the staff in my local jobcentre were happy to back me up that there was no way i had been claiming anything anywhere else as they had seen me in the job centre here week in week out day after day, I'd have to be teleporting to be doing both.

MerryCouthyMows Mon 14-Jan-13 15:53:04

The reason I worry is because I have already been investigated for fraud TWICE in the 19 months I have been claiming Income Support - because my bitch of a next door neighbour keeps maliciously reporting me.

That's the reason I have kept a paper trail for everything.

It sucks arse that she gets in a mood because I've had to complain about her music (blaring out till 3am on a school night again ) to the Housing Association, and so she reports me for fraud - and I'm found to be all above board and legit each time - and they are duty bound to suspend me benefits and investigate.

She tries to stop me from continuing with my ASB case against her by getting my benefits stopped. And even though the DWP know it's malicious, they still HAVE to investigate and suspend payments.

Kayano Mon 14-Jan-13 16:01:23

I know at the bank or building society if you have unusual transactions they alert certain people due to money laundering concerns etc

I don't know if they would then tell benefits folks just in case iyswim?

So in answer: I have no idea lol

Jopo115 Thu 14-Feb-13 08:54:26

Hi I am being investigated as I have to fill in I.S review forms.
Also I am my late fathers administrator in which I am still dealing with his affairs .
Can they check my new bank accounts in which I've had to set up to deal with the administration duties . Thanks

Madmum24 Thu 14-Feb-13 09:18:49

DWP do data cross matching routinely; ie they type your name/NI number in and see what comes up. This includes bank accounts, credit applications, car insurance, passport applications etc. Basically most things your name is on they can access it. When you sign the declaration on DWP you are agreeing to give them this permission, which is a condition of receiving the benefit.

Jopo115 Thu 14-Feb-13 10:26:37

This is such a mess now . I was only trying to organise and pay my dads debts .
They will think I have money because of the account is in my name and now this has might of messed up my sons Isis in which my late father put money in years ago and all his Xmas & birthday money is in that .

kimorama Thu 14-Feb-13 10:58:24

MOODY you supposition is probably false. Most of the people who report people dont know the complexities of the sysatem; or ther real details of who they are reporting.

I was told that someone was reported by a neighbour having a big car outside their house (Not illegal) And it was the doctors car anyway

Jopo115 Thu 14-Feb-13 11:53:32

But know I have to fill form in and put all my late fathers details down . So doing a good deed and paying off my dads debts e.g the home bill and government bodies . Effects me and putting money into my son Isis( hence only over the £1,000 threshold ) over these years for his future .

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