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To feel actual physical hatred for a car?

(96 Posts)
StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 19:12:27

Dh has a car. I hate it, he loves it.

It eats money like no car I've ever seen before.

Over £200 tax
£70-80 to fill the petrol tank.
Repairs over the last year have cost in excess of £2k (probably much more). And that's with dh doing the repairs himself so no labour costs!!!
The damn thing would get £75 from webuyanycar.com. Even the insurance company value it at around £200.

Don't get me started on insurance of over £1k per year (dh is under 25 but has been driving for a few years and we have done everything to bring the premium down... we're almost under £1k... yaay! hmm).

But it's his baby. He has nursed the damn thing almost back to full health yet there are always new problems.

Thing is we can no longer afford this level of investment in a piece of scrap metal.

Yet every small car I mention gets poo-hooed. The engine is too small, it's a girls car, it's a <insert brand here> and everyone knows they have this, that and the other wrong with them.

Do I have permission to murder either him or the car? Or possibly both?

How I wish I could drive! Then it would be my decision!

Are you having lessons?

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What's a girl's car?

hmm think you have more problems than just the car!

TrinityRhino Wed 09-Jan-13 19:21:37

what car is it?

and is he always a bit of a knob?

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 19:26:01

Can't afford lessons. sad Maybe if we get a cheaper car though...

A "girls car" is apparently anything small. Or anything I like. Or generally anything that isn't his car. Don't worry, he has already been lectured about the "girls car" comment.

Latest complaints abouts suggested cars include; the speedo is in the centre of the dash, the pram won't fit in the boot (ds is no longer using a pram) and the reviews said it was a "bumpy ride".

His excuses are becoming feebler... I think I'm breaking him!!!

It's a rover 75. Every other he suggests is either a rover or an MG. He loves it so much that he actually wants to join the little rover/MG club there is for people like him.

In the meantime I have named the car Errol, as it's as useless as it's HP namesake.

SpicyPear Wed 09-Jan-13 19:27:08

Don't hate the car. Tell him you consider it to be his hobby, and you look forward to deciding what hobby to spend your £2k+ on this year smile

TrinityRhino Wed 09-Jan-13 19:27:18

lol aww bless his cottons, its not even a nice car and he luffs it grin

SpicyPear Wed 09-Jan-13 19:33:20

Oooh no! What a hunk of junk. YANBU. Bless him.

CaptChaos Wed 09-Jan-13 19:35:53

Dear god! I thought it was at least a classic. The Rover 75 was a hunk of shit when it came out, and it's not going to get any better with age!

YANBU

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 19:36:10

Exactly Trinity grin. I really don't see the attraction of it at all.

Ugh, it must be jawaching to see money being paid out overvthe odds on the blahdy car then which could be better spent on getting you lessons.

I feel your pain.

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 19:37:42

How many years do I have to wait before it becomes a classic? grin Or are Rover 75s too shit to ever gain that status?

SarahStratton Wed 09-Jan-13 19:40:54

Hmmm, this car needs to be killed, doesn't it.

bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 19:42:19

I sympathise, the Rover 75 is a total pile of junk that destroys its engine every 10 k miles. The engine studs stretch making the head gasket blow usually @ 20 k miles and every 10k thereafter since the replacement parts were never upgraded. Best get rid of it as it will continue to cost a fortune to run and repair, you could probably buy a low mileage Rover 75 for around 500 quid such is their bad reputation.

Adversecamber Wed 09-Jan-13 19:43:45

If you want to annoy him tell him my DH used to call them fake jags.

SpicyPear Wed 09-Jan-13 19:46:51

That's what I call them Adverse. I'm struggling to process the fact that someone under 25 has one. They were cars for the proud older man on a budget.

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StuntGirl Wed 09-Jan-13 19:47:45

I thought it might have had the basic decency to be a good car, what's he thinking! Was it his first ever car by any chance?

Could you draw up a budget to show how much money is being frittered on it? Show him how much per month you's be better off by? Or perhaps show him what you could have bought for the same price? I'm currently paying a fucking lot for driving lessons and when I've passed we're putting the money towards snowboarding lessons. My boyfriend is v. excited about that!

StuntGirl Wed 09-Jan-13 19:48:14

I thought it might have had the basic decency to be a good car, what's he thinking! Was it his first ever car by any chance?

Could you draw up a budget to show how much money is being frittered on it? Show him how much per month you's be better off by? Or perhaps show him what you could have bought for the same price? I'm currently paying a fucking lot for driving lessons and when I've passed we're putting the money towards snowboarding lessons. My boyfriend is v. excited about that!

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 19:48:21

Adverse whenever I see a jag I make a point of saying <excistedly> "Oh look it's your car..." then really disappointedly "wait... no it's not."

Unfortunately he's taught ds to recognise other Rovers/MGs and say "That's daddy's car!" so of course, ds also says it about jags too.

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bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 19:52:33

The Rover 75 should be preserved just to show people how not to build a car, If I remember correctly the fuel filter in the fuel tank was not replaceable which meant the whole fuel tank had to be replaced just to change a filter., I also seem to remember the company was bought for 1.00 pound in the end.

Softlysoftly Wed 09-Jan-13 19:56:03

My DH's first car (some boy racer Peugeot heap of crap) sat in the garage for years awaiting fitting to be roadworthy. One day I had it towed by the scrap merchants.

I'd suggest you do the same but only if you are very very sure he won't kill you grin.

In reality could you set him a top limit per year he can spend on it as a hobby and buy a car to actually drive, surely it won't cost as much if it's mainly not run?

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 19:56:31

It was his second car, but it was dead when he bought it and he brought it back to life single handedly with the aid of a Haynes manual and the internet. Then it died again... and again... and again <ad infinitum>. So he's very proud of his work (and his massive collection of tools and bits and bobs that he has amassed).

He's not working at the moment, he's studying engineering and being a SAHD so our budget is dramatically reduced. He knows we can't afford it and it will end up sorned on the drive if he doesn't get rid soon but I think he's in shock or denial. However he is actually looking at cars now and not moaning as much so I think he's backing down.

SantasENormaSnob Wed 09-Jan-13 20:00:21

A fucking rover shock

All this over a rover shock

Has the man any self respect?

RambleOn Wed 09-Jan-13 20:01:10

A Rover 75!! It's an old mans car!

RambleOn Wed 09-Jan-13 20:02:11

Does your DP wear a flat cap while driving?!

LegArmpits Wed 09-Jan-13 20:04:28

Ahaha. They're not bad to look at, comfy too, but they do blow up quite regularly. I hated ours too. It even blew up as we drove it to the poor unfortunate sod who bought it off us.

Bogeyface Wed 09-Jan-13 20:07:41

I was expecting a classic, not a nail like that!

I had a Rover 45 for a while and OMFG it was a shit car, and the 75's were worse!

He is a selfish idiot and you need to put your foot down, so that you get an equal amount to spend on yourself for every penny he spends on that heap of shite.

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 20:08:46

I've been reading him all your comments and his face is like this <sad> because we are being mean about Errol.

He would like to tell you all; In the 40k miles he has done in Errol it has never broken down while on the road. It also has a good heater. And the seats are comfy.

There was more he wanted to say but I can't hear him ranting over my laughter at his face.

He's stomping around in the kitchen now muttering "bloody mumsnet" and something about driving a smaller car being like driving a roller skate.

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bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 20:31:50

LOL, ask him why Rover was sold for the sum for 1 quid

Bogeyface Wed 09-Jan-13 20:32:13

Have you reminded him about men who need to drive big cars doing it because they are worried that they have small penises?

And not all small cars are actually that small, Kia do some really nice mid sized cars that will cost a hell of alot less than what you are paying out now.

bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 20:33:50

Errol.... Expensive Rubbish Rover Oil Leak

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MrsKeithRichards Wed 09-Jan-13 20:39:16

I'm lol'ing at a man under 25 driving a rover 75!!!!!

Wasn't it marketed as a cheap car for the middle aged middle class man who can't afford a jag?

Who wants to be a millionaire? I don't!

Wasn't that the song in the ad?

BrevilleTron Wed 09-Jan-13 20:42:03

I'm with your husband
I love my 75 my grandad owned it before me and it was my wedding car. It's never let me down and as I no longer have my grandad I'm keeping the car til it dies
You do get good ones.

bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 20:50:59

In a list of the top ten worst British cars ever made a Rover comes in 6th and 7th place.
www.buyyourcar.co.uk/news/article/top-10-worst-britishmade-cars-of-all-time/12818

EuroShagmore Wed 09-Jan-13 20:55:17

It's a grandad's car!

(Just as I was about to post this, I see *BrevilleTron has vindicated my position!)

I understand the gusset-moistening love for a car, I really do. I will cry proper hot big tears when I have to part with my current one. But a Rover 75?!?

That's ridiculous!

StickEm's DH: Just scrap it already, not worth it, the money you've wasted on it could have bought you a really nice second hand car you muppet! Like an Astra Eco, which are actually king of the road wink

Autumnchill Wed 09-Jan-13 21:03:55

And what exactly is a girls car!!!! glares at OPs husband

I'm female and a member of a car club and attend meets, pub get togethers and been on driving holidays with them but that's in a 2 seater convertible.

What is it exactly about this car that he likes other than parts are getting harder and harder to locate and it's pissing money away?

If the car hasn't broken down in the last two years, how come repair bills are over £2k? Tell him he's throwing good money after bad and its about time he was introduced to modern motoring and it's not because it's a Rover but because it's a money sponge for you. Maybe when you are older (ie 50, the average age of the 75 driver) and money is a bit more plentiful, then he can get one, stick it in the garage and tinker with it then, much like people do now with Spitfires.

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Bogeyface Wed 09-Jan-13 21:05:00

Woohoo my old car was number 6! That 45 really was shit heap!

Bogeyface Wed 09-Jan-13 21:05:47

And I had a Belmot too, an E reg, which is at number 9, but I quite liked it grin

Doingakatereddy Wed 09-Jan-13 21:08:24

Repairs to R75 will only increase dramatically, service part suppliers are reluctant to continue building parts based on incredibly low annual volumes. When they are forced to supply parts, it will be at a highly inflated price & often late. Most part su

bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 21:11:41

Best thing about a Rover 75 is its current scrap value of around 200 quid, though the fake wood dash might suit someone with an Xbox. The thing that dictates the second hand value of these cars is the amount of fuel in the tank.

Doingakatereddy Wed 09-Jan-13 21:11:51

God I hate this phone.

Most suppliers will only make parts when they have a VOR 'vehicle off road' note escalated - 6wks plus.

R75 is a hobby car, it's badly made, expensive to repair, has poor safety record & frankly is a sad old basards car. Get rid!

What ever you do don't let him near a Land Rover.

It's a farmers car. It costs £110 to fill up. (and needs feeding weekly!) its difficult to get in and out of, is bumpy as anything on a road (but is fine across a ploughed field) and leaks water through the roof and oil from everywhere else. Dh spends hours working on it, buying it special little things and writing about it on forums.

I can't drive through disability so dh has 100% say on our family car. I feel your pain. YANBU

And I seem to remember We Buy Any Car saying we buy any car except that one! when I tried to sell it out from under him....

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Autumnchill Wed 09-Jan-13 21:26:03

WBAC is owned by an auction house so you'll never get a great price from them.

MrsKeithRichards Wed 09-Jan-13 21:29:13

waves to another landy widow

bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 21:30:41

What do you call a Rover with a sunroof?
A skip.

DeepRedBetty Wed 09-Jan-13 21:35:45

My dad had a car he was obsessed with and spent a fortune keeping on the road.

But it was a Lotus.

McNewPants2013 Wed 09-Jan-13 21:37:36

I miss my Rover 820 vitesse it was a lovely car, until DH wrote it off sad.

ErikNorseman Wed 09-Jan-13 21:53:56

Rovers are simply grandad cars. My mum had one and she gave it to me, it guzzled petrol and the head gasket blew. Pile of shite.

LessMissAbs Wed 09-Jan-13 21:59:11

Never mind girls' cars (theres no such thing), the Rover 75 is an old man's car

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 22:03:38

My dh would like to meet your dh Lola <facepalm>

Loving the rover jokes btw!

Autumn oh it has broken down! And things have fallen off/leaked/worn out/exploded. But his point is that it has never on the road while it's being driven. Apparently this is in it's favour. IMO the fact that it just waits until we get home then overnight things fall off it overrides this.

oldraver Wed 09-Jan-13 22:13:42

Ah bless him saying driving a smaller car 'would be like driving a roller skate'.... like he's an expert on cars grin Tell him any other car even smaller onbes would be better than his

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 09-Jan-13 22:16:09

Of course he's an expert... he watches Top Gear (even the really old episodes which aren't funny) and has a manual and a toolkit and everything. wink

dontcallmehon Wed 09-Jan-13 22:24:41

I've got a Rover 25. I like him, he's called Victor.

Oblomov Wed 09-Jan-13 22:27:49

The man is a nutter to spend so much on a £200 heap of junk.
I thought you were going to tell me that it was a classic.
I have driven a morris minor, a lotus, an AC Cobra worth 300k, a aston martin. I now drive a newish Peugeot 308 !! and wouldn't spend 2k on it. He is crazy. and you are to let him.

Flobbadobs Wed 09-Jan-13 22:32:58

Believe me OP a rover 75 will never be at full health once it gets poorly! It dies a little more everyday until it's arse falls off or the engine falls out. When that happens he will realise that it would be cheaper to buy a new car. Or quite frankly go on a luxury round the world cruise!
When ours finally went to the great scrapheap in the sky DH was sad. I danced a little dance of joy down the street.... grin

On the plus side, he must have a massive penis grin

StuntGirl Wed 09-Jan-13 22:37:38

Beyond grin

Tigerbomb Wed 09-Jan-13 22:40:55

I used to work at MG Rover

Tell him to get what he can for it and buy a MG ZS 1.8 mark II grin

Startail Wed 09-Jan-13 22:42:52

I know it's forbidden, but LOL.

Even my 75 year old DFather would tell you he is to young to own a rover.

IAmNotAMindReader Thu 10-Jan-13 06:16:10

Just wait till the rust gets hold of it. Rovers should come with soluble stamped on the bonnet.
I had a 216 that had one 5p sized area of rust, I blinked and the whole bottom corner of the drivers door had gone.
Buy him a flat cap, some driving gloves and a travel blanket. He's an oap in training. grin

BookieMonster Thu 10-Jan-13 07:37:26

Your DH spends more each year on his Rover than DH spends on his Aston Martin. shock

FellatioNels0n Thu 10-Jan-13 07:46:35

shock A Rover 75? I am amazed. I was expecting some trendy, funky sought after vintage type thing, like Alfa Romeo or something, not a crappy Rover.

They are cars that were driven by dull couples called Bernard and Mavis, with sandwiches in tupperware and a flask of tea. Checked trilby for Bernard, crash helmet shaped perm for Mavis.

Your DH needs to get a grip. This car is not worth preserving on any level.

ErikNorseman Thu 10-Jan-13 08:47:38

Could you spray it with salt water? Or put sugar in the petrol tank?

hiddenhome Thu 10-Jan-13 11:06:17

You need to get rid if the engine oil wink

Flobbadobs Thu 10-Jan-13 11:16:44

I can give you a 100% guaranteed way to kill it.
Wait till the really cold weather starts, forget to put antifreeze in then try and start the engine after leaving it in the snow over the weekend. It made some very interesting noises then died...

I was going to suggest sugar in the petrol tank too. It's got to be better than carrying in like this surely?

Bloody Rover 75s angry

FIL has one that he pours money into and wont get rid even though he has replaced the starter motor twice.

He now parks on a hill to make sure he can get it started hmm

DP wants "the sport version" of his dads car, despite laughing at his dad for driving a piece of shit. He wont be getting one. I will make sure of it.

I dont understand the attraction. They are ugly cars.

PessaryPam Thu 10-Jan-13 11:48:24

Sorry you should LTB as anyone who actually likes a Rover 75 is seriously deranged and probably certifiable or over 90.

chris481 Thu 10-Jan-13 12:21:11

I have a Rover 75. It's a top-of-the-range luxury model that's beautiful to look at (admittedly in a retro/"old-manish" way) and luxurious inside. It feels very solid, like the body panels are just thicker and heavier than other cars. It's lovely to drive.

Some of the people commenting are a bit ignorant, a Rover 75 is unlike any other Rover, it is the only Rover that was created by BMW when they owned the company.

It's a diesel, which I think means the engine is essentially a BMW. I know the petrol ones can have some issues. My 75 has been reliable in the sense that it has only broken down on the road once in 7 years, when the alternator went. Any other problems have been fixed by a one-off repair. (Repairs only bother me if the same thing keeps breaking. The closest I've come to that is that I've just replaced the damper-pulley for the second time, however I got 50,000 miles out of the first replacement, so I can't complain. Particularly as the AA man did the labour the first time, surely that's beyond the call of duty?)

I have to admit it has been slightly more expensive than expected to own. Last time I checked it had probably cost a hundred a month in servicing and repairs over the years, But that includes doing everything at an (ex) main-dealer, and one automatic gearbox replacement which cost £1500. It's up to nearly 170,000 miles now.

What its cost in repairs its more than save in depreciation. It was twenty-something thousand car that I bought for 7K just after Rover went bust, when it was three years old.

I prefer the look of the original 1999 versions to the 2003 re-vamp. On the top model you could have the leather in several different colours, I have seen one in British racing green with matching green seats, which was really lovely. Similarly I've seen one in dark blue with blue seats. I say a choice of seat colours, but I should say choice of interior colours. The interior plastics and fabrics and lower dashboard and leather steering wheel cover would all be in matching colours. Having been shopping online recently I know that most manufacturers do not offer any "colour" options for the seats, and when they do almost all the plastics and fabrics will be a standard neutral colour. Alfa are particularly bad, red leather looks ridiculous on top of a black/grey plastic base, and they don't even have matching door inserts. The only manufacturer I've come across that approaches the degree of choice and luxury the 75 had is Range Rover on an Evoque. (With german luxury cars you are lucky if you get the option of beige instead of black for the interor.)

chris481 Thu 10-Jan-13 12:23:53

Some parts are now getting ridiculously expensive, so now is not the time for anyone to buy a 75.

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Thu 10-Jan-13 12:27:09

chris481 my dh is a little bit in love with you now.

littleladyindoors Thu 10-Jan-13 12:40:37

My dad had a 75- I swear it used to pull into the middle lane of a motorway and then refuse to go in any other lane or over 55. Horrible thing, then he tried to sell it to us hmm it is too early in the day to tell you my response.

My hubby loved his Jag, but man that was a PITA and kept breaking down and costing too much. We now have a lovely lovely corsa that never breaks down, has a lifetime warranty, and he can fit 4 big blokes in it without the power going. He loves it. Actually,when pressed he will say he loves it more than the Jag. Also if you told him it was a girls car, he would not be impressed. And he looked on the top gear website before we bought it too- obviously if Jeremy et al say its ok, then it must be!!

<waves a "ditch the rover" campaign banner>

chris481 Thu 10-Jan-13 12:46:22

It's not just the choice of interior colours that was good. Many cars I've looked at recently, I'm lucky if there's one colour I can live with. The Rover 75 came in several paint colours I like:-

A burgundy red
A light gold colour
British Racing Green
Royal Blue
Wedgewood Blue

Wedgewood blue with a cream/beige interior is one of my favourites, wish I had one of those.

Apart from Range Rover with the Evoque, the only manufacturer offering a decent range of colours nowadays is Audi, but only if you pay a few thousand extra to have a choice of custom colours. And you won't have a choice of several matching interior colour schemes to go with it.

chris481 Thu 10-Jan-13 12:52:13

For the sake of balance, I must admit that I have 30K burning a hole in my pocket, so am thinking of selling the 75 and getting an Evoque or a Golf. The heart says Evoque but the head say Golf. The Golf will fit through my garage door and has some technology I want that I can't get on the Evoque, such as active cruise control, a dual-clutch gearbox, an engine that can deactivate some cylinders when power demand is light, engine stop-start etc.

Given that the most I've ever spend on a car is 7K, I'm having some difficulty getting my head around spending 30K on a Golf though.

chris481 Thu 10-Jan-13 12:52:58

And yes I know an Evoque will cost considerably more than 30K.

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MrsKeithRichards Thu 10-Jan-13 13:09:41

£100 a month on servicing and repairs over the years? That's mental!

<kisses 12 year old astra>

stickem you need to introduce your DH to campervans. We have a VW camper, DP can spend hours loveingly looking after it, but a least we get weekends away in it.

And they are rather cool not sad like the rover!

BlissfullyIgnorant Thu 10-Jan-13 13:36:36

A Rover 75? Are you serious?
We had a Maserati Gorgeous which I was totally in love with (but didn't tell him that) and I used to get a real thrill out of looking at it, sitting snugly on our driveway, smiling smugly at passers by. I felt wonderful being chauffeured around in it, it was indescribable. We had to sell it for school fees funding sad but still have the two old Yanks, one of which I loathe with a passion, the other is just meh. One day, it will be back...

Andro Thu 10-Jan-13 13:54:21

I was going to have some sympathy for the OP's OH - I don't know how much money I've spent restoring my 1965 Harley - but a ROVER 75??? My sympathy to you OP, you'd be hard pressed to find a worse car (a 1990's Lada maybe?)

(My project has never put pressure on finances either)

Don't wish for it to become a classic!
I bought a classic car in about erm.... 1994. It has been in the back garden ever since

Dh has decided to 'do it up' as it is the 50th Anniversary of this car this year. He has started to buy parts for it
He is very excited
He already has another of the same but a different model, which he bought for £25 in 1986 and completely restored. It's lovely but always breaks down when I drive it but old and very basic

A Rover 75 is a luxury compared to these cars!

Now there is one big problem with DH's doing up of this car
It is now boxed in by our extension
it will cost probably £1000 to do it up
Knowing what sort of car it is I can't see it being awfully reliable
But maybe that wont matter if we can only ever drive it in the back garden grin

depends how big your back garden is...wink

BelaLugosisShed Thu 10-Jan-13 15:15:25

A Rover 75 hmm What is he, 90?

It has never, will never, be a classic car of any description.
You might as well burn £20 notes.

Why is his insurance so high? My DD is 22, drives a 3 year old 1.5 Swift Sport and her insurance is £550, she has 4 years no claims, built up while driving an old fiesta.

HappyTurquoise Thu 10-Jan-13 15:19:49

YANBU

watch this

SpicyPear Thu 10-Jan-13 16:38:54

My favourite part of this whole thread is that he only counts breaking down when you are going along as breaking down. If you hadn't told us he was an engineer I'd have thought he was a lawyer with that kind of sophistry smile

purpleflower123 Thu 10-Jan-13 16:55:27

We had a Rover 75. DH was only 23 and me 22. I hated the thing. It was horrible to drive and had endless problems. DH did the head gasket on it and it was still crap, it was at least the second time it had been done. The oil poured out almost as fast as we put it in and it guzzled petrol.

DH loved it, I danced with joy when we sold it (for a huge loss)

He read up on them when we started discovering the problems with it. He says diesels are ok but the 1.8l petrols are the worst. Guess what we had.

We've had loads of cars and the rover 75 is the one I will never buy again. It really was terrible but DH looked hilarious being so young and driving a grandad car

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