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to think that having a packet of crisps a day is not healthy

(264 Posts)
Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 12:20:40

or am I being precious?

I was having this discussion after watching Britain's Favourite Supermarket Foods on tv with some friends yesterday, who all thought that having a packet a crisp a day was totally fine and clearly thought I was weird to think that it was totally unhealthy. I'll admit I was appalled surprised but this may be because I was brought up in France where you don't really eat crisps unless you're having a picnic, in fact, I'm not even sure you can buy individual packets. So it was a bit of a culture shock when I first moved to England when I realised it's a staple snack/lunch item.

Even now, I never have crisps in the house - unless I'm pregnant like now and I crave the salt content like crazy and they are moreish and delicious plus it's cheaper than my other craving which is McDonalds and way more shameful to admit to but then I worry about my cholesterol going up and clogged arteries with all the fat.

So AIBU?

Punkatheart Tue 08-Jan-13 12:24:13

Make sure they are good quality crisps. Less fat, less salt.

It's not ideal but I think people do get hugely hung up on food, not realising that many other foods have larger salt contents, larger fat contents.

Balance with lots of fruit and veg and enjoy your life, exercise....

Congrats on the baby to be! I craved beetroot. Jars and jars of it!

Boomerwang England Tue 08-Jan-13 12:24:59

I'm not sure. If I personally ate a packet a day I'd feel a bit of a pig, but I have no idea if it's actually going to make much of an impact comparable to anything else that is considered unhealthy. Obviously having no crisps at all is healthier, but having a beer a day instead is worse than a packet of crisps over the long term.

Celticlassie Tue 08-Jan-13 12:25:14

I don't think it's particularly healthy, but I know a lot of people who do it. I suppose everything in moderation.

Fakebook Tue 08-Jan-13 12:25:39

Yanbu. I lost a lot of weight when I cut crisps out of my diet. That and coke. Now we only buy crisps once every 1-2 months. It's just unnecessary food.

LovesBeingAtHomeForChristmas Tue 08-Jan-13 12:26:17

Swings and roundavouts

LifeofPo Tue 08-Jan-13 12:26:36

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DonderandBlitzen Tue 08-Jan-13 12:29:36

I saw that and weren't they saying crisps have more potassium than a banana and that potassium lowers blood pressure. Also they said a slice of bread has more salt than a packet of crisps, we just don;t notice it so much in bread as it is hidden inside rather than coating the outside. That family that ate tons of crisps in a year were only getting 10% of their salt intake from crisps. I suppose they are quite high fat which is not good.

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 12:30:24

Punkatheart craving beetroot is definitely a bit healthier than craving fat and salt!

IwantaPetFox Tue 08-Jan-13 12:32:30

YANBU I would feel a bit gross if I had crisps every day. But if the rest of your diet throughout the day is very good then it's probably not that bad and nothing to get hung up about.

MargeySimpson Tue 08-Jan-13 12:32:58

I do weight watchers, and a normal packet of salt & vinegar walkers is about 5 points I think. To put it in perspective two ryvitas are one point. So you could have 10 ryvitas! Or 7 or 8 rice cakes!

MargeySimpson Tue 08-Jan-13 12:33:49

Me and two of my friends both crazed mcdonalds when we were pregnant! Especially the diet coke! I used to feel so embarassed scoffing chips in there with my big pregnant belly!!!

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 12:35:36

DonderandBlitzen

But isn't that only true if they buy soup rather than make it from scratch, and buy sliced white bread rather than 'proper bread' ? I agree that ready-made supermarket stuff has a lot of hidden sugars, salts and fats you can't really see and taste.

I wonder if it means that if you go for the supposedly posher healthier vegetable crisps (you know, parsnip crisps and beetroot crisps and whatnot) you are actually making it worse for yourself?

FredFredGeorge Tue 08-Jan-13 12:36:13

There's nothing unhealthy about a packet of crisps - it's just food. It may be commonly part of an unhealthy diet though.

NameGotLostInCyberspace Tue 08-Jan-13 12:36:39

I don't think its a big deal in the grand scheme of things. As long as diet consists of all different food groups, a little packet of crisps is not going to cause any harm. dd needs to put weight on so I let her.

PaellaUmbrella Tue 08-Jan-13 12:37:24

I think it totally depends on the overall diet.

It's not something I would encourage in the DCs because IMO they become addictive, I had them in my packed lunch every day as a child and find them REALLY hard to resist now, I can't keep them in the house or I would just eat them all. We often have a big pack to share (4 of us) with Saturday lunch (sandwiches etc) and we might each have a pack after swimming sometimes or if we're having a picnic but that is enough. I find it hard to not buy them for myself when buying petrol, at the newsagents etc.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 08-Jan-13 12:39:54

I love crisps and one of France's failings is that there just arn't enough crisps grin though they are improving...

I would say I eat the equivalent of a packet a day, or every two days. I don't consider my diet to be unhealthy but everything else that I eat is cooked from scratch except for the kitkats . I think a packet of crisps a day is ok as part of an otherwise healthy diet, but a packet of crisps a day washed down with coke, chips, loads of junk food and bad quality ready made stuff would be unhealthy.

And now I want some pickled onion flavoured monster munch, which you definitely can't get in France angry

EldritchCleavage Tue 08-Jan-13 12:40:46

I think crisps are for eating occasionally rather than regularly, definitely not every day. They are not a particularly nutritious way of getting calories.

Patchouli Tue 08-Jan-13 12:40:47

There was a program on tv a while back about the effect on children's health re: the packet a day habit some people have got into with packed lunches.
I wish I could remember more about it now.

ChessieFL Tue 08-Jan-13 12:42:56

Anyone else craving crisps now?!

Anonymumous Tue 08-Jan-13 12:45:04

I wouldn't have thought one packet a day was especially unhealthy either though. Personally I love a nice tuna, cheese, tomato and lettuce sandwich, but only if I have a good, spicy bag of Worcester Sauce flavoured crisps to go with it. So what's worse? The crisps together with a vitamin-and-mineral-laden sandwich? Or two crumpets dripping with butter, cheese and Worcester Sauce (which is what I had for breakfast blush)?

Drinking fruit juice every day is terrible for your teeth. Why pick on crisps and not fruit juice?

SunshineOutdoors Tue 08-Jan-13 12:45:25

When I was at primary school in the 80s they were standard daily lunchbox fare. Now at the primary school I used to work at they were banned from packed lunches.

I don't see the problem to be honest.

My DS has a pack in his lunch box every day but he has fruit, yoghurt etc etc. As long as the overall diet is balance there is nothing wrong with a pack a day.

I did try ages ago leacing the crisps out of his lunch box but he said when he opened it, it made him sad!!

I eat a pack of crisps almost every day but I only ever buy the low fat ones anyway. I worry more about salt content than fat for DS but as long as he only has one pack a day it's all good.

SunshineOutdoors Tue 08-Jan-13 12:46:24

I want a packet of crisps now.

KellyElly Tue 08-Jan-13 12:49:18

Everything in moderation and that's exactly what one packet is. If you are having a packet of crisps, a bar of chocolate, a piece of cake, lots of cheese and a few glasses of wine all in a day, every day then no. If you eat a healthy well balanced diet there's nothing wrong with having a packet of crisps?!

steppemum Netherlands Tue 08-Jan-13 12:50:18

I think it is unhealthy to eat a packet of crisps per day

I get fed up with the lunch box police who ban a kitkat, but every child has a packet of crisps and that is fine.

they are very unhealthy, totally salt and bad fat. pretty much no goodness in there. Bread may have salt in it, but good wholemeal bread has many benefits too.

I love an occasional bag, but wish that they were considered treat food and not staples here.

spanky2 England Tue 08-Jan-13 12:50:56

A packet of crisps has more potassium than a banana and much nicer!grin

moisturiser Tue 08-Jan-13 12:51:46

They do have a ridiculous amount of fat in them compared to other foods. There was a stage in my life I ate a pack a day and then when I read the label I cut them out completely. Never eat them. I sometimes make my own (potato, microwave, salt, bobs your uncle) - maybe once a year just because it's quite faff. But they are delicious. I once read that if you eat a pack a day you'll consume 2 small barrels of cooking oil in a year. Which has to be bollocks, but still it made me think.

halcyondays Tue 08-Jan-13 12:52:37

It's not that bad as long as the rest of your diet is fairly healthy. When I was at primary school, you could buy a packet of crisps for 10p at breaktime. There was probably a lot more salt in thm then than there is now. Now crisps are a controlled substance and arent allowed at break, because it's "healthy snack" time but they can have them at lunch.

Depends what crisps you eat.

French fries
Quavers
Monster Munch
WW hula Hoops

etc etc...all low in calories and fat! Anything in moderation is the key smile

CadleCrap Tue 08-Jan-13 12:55:12

It depends on your definition of a packet

Uk = a packet of crisps is 25/30 g

Europe =a packet of crisps is the huge bag 200g?

YABU assuming these are kids eating a UK packet.
YANBU if they are eating a europe packet

Flatbread Tue 08-Jan-13 12:56:52

A packet of crisps a day is unhealthy!

Giving it to a child as a part of a packed lunch every day, is just lazy, IMO.

Boiled potatoes, bananas, vegetables, proper meat (not sausages) should be staples, not processed crap.

My dh grew up eating crisps on a regular basis and he still craves them. I hardly ate any as a child and don't miss them at all <wanders off to polish halo>

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 12:57:46

I think it's an unhealthy habit. They've practically no nutritional value, are full of salt and fat and don't curb hunger / fill you up.

I never buy them.

Sparklingbrook Tue 08-Jan-13 12:58:44

Ds1 has a packet of crisps and a bar of chocolate in his lunchbox. Every day. shock

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 13:00:17

I suspected there would be no consensus on this one!!!! And it's making me crave crisps!!!

I think I could probably relax my stance on it, but knowing me, if there were crisps in the house at all times, I would struggle to keep off them, I find them harder to resist than sweets.

CMOTDibbler Tue 08-Jan-13 13:00:59

Meh, can't really get worked up about it - I don't think a packet a day is a bad thing per se, but its all about balance, and at least with the plainer flavours you know just whats in them.

I didn't get crisps on any sort of regular basis as a child, and they are something I love as an adult, so I don't think theres a correlation tbh

chocoluvva Tue 08-Jan-13 13:01:15

They're quite salty, but no more than than a similar portion of houmous or a cheese sandwich.

You notice the salt more though as it's on the surface of the crisps rather than hidden within.

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WillSucceed Tue 08-Jan-13 13:02:24

Well you are being totally reasonable but I challenge you find anyone in this country to agree with you.

Where I live, crisp are a 'normal' snack for 3 years old. They are also a normal part of lunch, both for adults and children.
Quite a few people have told me that it's better to eat crisps than biscuits/chocolate (even home made ones) because it won't damage teeth
etc etc

In a different place/country, most people would think you are crazy to have them more than once a week if that. It's a 'special treat' that you eat sparingly, because well, it's full of fats (and esp trans fats), full of additives etc... Has anyone looked at the list of ingredients for crisps? The 'potatoes' just look lost in the middle.....

Sparking - my DS has crisps and something like a brunch bar/mini roll.....every day!!!

He is perfectly healthy, I make sure he gets his 5 a day and no way am I lazy. I am hardly going to send him to school with a boiled potato in his lunch box although actually, would love to once and get someone to photograph his face when he opens it smile

My mum and dad didn't buy them when I was a kid........I love em though.

LouisWalshesCloset Tue 08-Jan-13 13:03:54

You were appalled ?

grin

I have a packet of crisps most days.

But I don't eat chocolate or drink.

Apart from that we eat a healthy diet.

Sparklingbrook Tue 08-Jan-13 13:05:55

grin Betty. Now DS1 is 13 there are other worries to prioritise. He has his own money, and a debit card and access to shops, I can advise him what to buy but can't be with him 24/7 to watch out for crisp purchasing.

WillSucceed Tue 08-Jan-13 13:06:45

Btw, you don't have to 'relax' or 'chill out' if you really don't think it's a good idea to have crisps in your house.
Whatever your reasons.

atthewelles Tue 08-Jan-13 13:08:18

It depends on the rest of your diet. It's no worse than someone having a bar of chocolate every day or a glass of wine with dinner every evening or a couple of biscuits watching television. If the rest of your diet is reasonably balanced and healthy then I wouldn't worry about a packet of crisps.

Newbiemomma Tue 08-Jan-13 13:08:51

Crisps are high in fat, salt and many contain MSG. All make you crave more and more and quite frankly, why would anyone want to encourage their children to eat such utter c**p!

As a nutritionist I come across many parents who simply aren't aware of the effects diet has on their children's physical,mental and emotional well being.

People need to be educated. A treat for a child should be some strawberries, for example. Early encouragement is the key to ensuring that our children grow up thinking that healthy, nutritious food is a treat. Not some man made p, unnatural rubbish.

My DS has things like strawberries every day, I don't want him thinking of them as a treat not to be had all the time.

As long as he grows up with a healthy attitude to food, has stuff in moderation then that is good enough for me. I think banning certain foods can have negative effects and lead to problems in the future but thats just my opinion.

OmgATalkingOnion Tue 08-Jan-13 13:12:47

I have no problem with it. My dc usually have a packet in their lunch. They have a great diet, take lots of exercise and are tall and slim. I just can't get het up about certain foods being appalling. If the rest of your life is well balanced then the overall picture is what matters rather than focussing on just one aspect of it.

SanityClause Tue 08-Jan-13 13:13:07

DS's old school had an inspection, where they were marked down for allowing crisps etc as morning snacks. The head said that if he'd realised, he would've asked everyone to bring in only healthy snacks on the day of the inspection. hmm

His attitude was "a little of what you fancy does you good". But to me, a packet of crisps every day is not "a little" it makes it a regular food item.

bigkidsdidit Tue 08-Jan-13 13:13:54

No, a bag a day is not healthy

I am astonished children have a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar every day in packed lunches. You wouldn't eat that for lunch at work would you confused Crisps are treats - once a week, twice a week ish maybe. Not a daily food

but I care a lot abotu nutrition.

taypottick Tue 08-Jan-13 13:16:53

I wouldn't say it was healthy but if you compare a bag of crisps to a chocolate bar I think the crisps are healthier. Making me think of Harry Hill-fight! now

pudding25 Tue 08-Jan-13 13:17:33

If a treat for a child is some strawberries only, then when they have access to crisps, chocolate etc, they try to shove in as much as possible in one go. I have seen this time and time again as a teacher when we have had class parties. The children who eat a healthy and balanced diet which includes crisps, cake etc will eat sensibly. The children who are denied will binge eat.

I am a firm believer in a bit of everything and not demonising food.

I am a firm believer in a bit of everything and not demonising food

Exactly!

OmgATalkingOnion Tue 08-Jan-13 13:20:43

Well said pudding.

Viviennemary Tue 08-Jan-13 13:20:57

I don't think a packet of crips a day would be considered particularly unhealthy by most people. Unless we are talking about a gigantic packet. I agree about fruit juice. That's worse but people think it's so healthy. And alcohol is a lot worse for your health than a packet of crisps. Gets of soap box. grin

bigkidsdidit Tue 08-Jan-13 13:21:09

but having them once a week does that too - having some crisps or some chocolate at the weekend is not demonising them.

havng them daily is making them probably 10% of that child's regular daily diet which is not so good

IMO

anyway back to work now (salad finished grin )

SanityClause Tue 08-Jan-13 13:23:10

Again, agreeing with bigkids.

forevergreek Tue 08-Jan-13 13:23:15

It would never occur to me to feed them to a child ( or myself/ any adult) as part of lunch or on a daily basis

HousewifeFromHeaven Tue 08-Jan-13 13:24:27

Did you know crisps are a major contributing factor to tooth decay? It's because they get all squashed on your teeth, and people don't generally clean their kids teeth after crisps whereby after biscuits/sweets they would be more likely to.

<interesting fact alert>

whatithink Tue 08-Jan-13 13:24:34

When I was at primary school in the 70's the school tuck shop sold them and everyone had a packet a day at morning break. The headmaster regularly went to the cash & carry to buy boxes of crisps and it was a good earner for the school.

choceyes Tue 08-Jan-13 13:25:35

I depends on what your diet is like overall. If you eat nothing but healthy food the rest of the day a packet of crisps is fine. But if you also eat chocolate, puddings etc then it is too much I think. Personally, although I'd love to, I would consider eating a packet of crisps a day as unhealthy, as I'd like to eat other not so healthy stuff like sweets etc once a day too. I probably have a packet of crisps once a month or so.

I occassionally give my DCs no salt crisps (I can't remember the brand now, just a normal brand nothing fancy). It's only got potato and sunflower oil as ingerdiants so I can't see that it can do any harm at all.

HelpOneAnother Tue 08-Jan-13 13:27:20

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HousewifeFromHeaven Tue 08-Jan-13 13:27:44
ICBINEG Tue 08-Jan-13 13:28:12

I wouldn't do a packet a day but I wouldn't save them as treats either.

The whole association of food with treat is a damaging one.

Anonymumous Tue 08-Jan-13 13:29:39

"I am astonished children have a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar every day in packed lunches. You wouldn't eat that for lunch at work would you."

Ummm... when I was working, I used to nip out to the shops at lunchtime and come back with a piece of hot quiche, a bag of crisps, a can of Coke and a chocolate bar. blush

If I was really busy, I would just get the Coke, crisps and chocolate bar and munch on them through the afternoon while working.

Still a size 8 though...

MMmmm, prawn cocktail.....

I do like crisps. But rarely buy them. Bought a lot when I was pregnant as I needed something to nibble on all day, and salty crisps were what I needed most!!

But now, I might buy the very occasional 'share' packet, but only if they're on offer, or a new flavour I haven't seen before.

HelpOneAnother Tue 08-Jan-13 13:37:51

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Same here Anonymumous - when I was working in hospitality, I regularly had a bag of crisps, a sandwich, a chocolate bar, a carton of juice and a bit of fruit. (we used to make pack lunches with these in for guests, and were allowed to take one for lunch for free!)

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 13:41:51

Agree with BigsKids and Newbie

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 13:43:33

When I had a packet of crisps / bars of chocolate daily, I was 4 stone heavier than I am now. Guarantee way to increase weight for me.

Appreciate 'anecdote does not equal fact' and each are different.

sparkle12mar08 Tue 08-Jan-13 13:44:03

We only have the Sainsburys Salt Your Own crisps for the children, and without the salt (which we take out when we give them the packet), they have 127 cals and 7.9g of fat, mostly monunsaturated. That's 30 fewer calories and nearly 56 times less sugar than a Jordans Breakfast bar (157cals, and 0.2g vs 11.3g sugar). Similarly a banana has nearly 90cals in a medium sized one and 12g sugars. So frankly if it fits your macros, a packet of no salt crisps is no better or worse than any number of other typical snack and lunch foods. Whilst I don't give them to my children every day, when they get them once a month I don't give it a second thought.

Basically it pays to be as clued up as possible about nutrition and to read the labels like a hawk because you will surprise yourself - did you know that two plain Rich Tea biscuits have less calories and sugar than a single Farley's Rusk for babies? Bet you didn't...

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 13:47:49

Yeah, well maybe 'appalled' wasn't the best word to use, considering I'm eating some right now grin.
Let's say I had a strong inner reaction at the time which might have come at as 'OMG', thankfully we were able to move past it and you'll be pleased to know I am not losing sleep over it either!

Furball Tue 08-Jan-13 13:50:05

According to the British Heart Foundation - it says children drink 5 litres of cooking oil a year as a result of their one packet a day crisps. [yuck]

Anonymumous Tue 08-Jan-13 13:51:20

Do they drink crisps then? confused

tourdefrance Tue 08-Jan-13 13:51:25

Yanbu.
As others have said there is no nutritional benefit to crisps except possibly potassium which you can get from other sources and only a very small amount is needed anyway. Your body only needs a certain number of calories every day so its best to avoid 'empty calories' as much as possible. I would include most fruit juice in that description.
And I love chocolate and crisps but try not to eat every day.

Fluffy1234 Tue 08-Jan-13 13:52:33

I eat a packet about 4 times a week. I don't think that's either healthy or unhealthy. I am a size 10, never get ill , hardly drink alcohol and never eat chocolate or puddings or biscuits.

Furball Tue 08-Jan-13 13:52:55

Anon - that is the amount of oil consumed on the crisps over a year

I think it is insane that Brits raise their children dependent on crisps to the extent that children come to expect to eat them every day as part of a their diet.

Havingkitties Tue 08-Jan-13 13:55:34

Crisps, yoghurt, penguin, piece of fruit and a sarnie, possibly with a Capri sun (if you were posh) were all we had in our packed lunches every day when we were kids....and look how we turned out!grin
I was a string bean and a boffin at school, so never did me any harm.

Bring on the packed lunch police with their 'I just pack my DCs fresh flapjacks every day and give them courgette sticks. I simply can't understand why anyone would put a packet of demon crisps in their DCs lunch box every day.'
Crisps are simply awesome.

Sparklingbrook Tue 08-Jan-13 13:55:55

Are we talking a bag of Walkers? We rarely have 'crisps' like that. My two like Pom Bears/Frazzles/Skips. grin

Sparklingbrook Tue 08-Jan-13 13:56:59

I am waiting for the 'mung bean salad' in the packed lunch people kitties. grin

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 13:57:35

I agree with everyone who says that if your diet is generally healthy a small bag of crisps is nothing to worry about.

A lot of my reaction is cultural rather than the result of nutritional research.

badguider Tue 08-Jan-13 13:57:50

I always have a packet of crisps in a packed lunch if i'm out walking/hiking or on my bike for the day.

I would put a packet in a lunch for a child who i knew was going to do a lot of sport or run about all day, like at summer camp, but not if they were more sedentry.

If your diet is generally healthy, I would say that a packet of crisps a day is the one item that makes your diet unhealthy.

I don't think crisps are bad for you precisely but they certainly aren't an everyday food, and I don't put them in lunchboxes.

Apart from anything else, I have it in my head that they're terribly bad for teeth because of the way they get stuck.

MsVestibule Tue 08-Jan-13 14:01:17

I put 5 crisps in DS(4)'s lunch box but he complains that Libby gets a whole packet with her lunch and why can't he? I'm standing firm, as I know habits can be formed from a very young age.

Although my mum gave me a healthy, balanced diet, no forbidden foods, everything in moderation etc, and I could still eat a whole cake in one go, so sometimes I wonder what the point is confused.

badguider, out of interest, why do you think extra fat and salt is ok if your child is running around a lot? Why not an extra banana, or some chocolate? Crisps, which are literally just fat and salt do little to enhance energy and performance, like a banana, or a piece of chocolate, or a cereal bar can do?

Flatbread Tue 08-Jan-13 14:02:03

Don't think it just a question of calorie count, salt or sugar

It is also about processed and natural foods.

A boiled potato with a touch of butter/olive oil, drizzle of lemon juice, fresh mint and some salt and pepper will be healthier and easier to digest than fried crisps prepared 6 months ago.

Fresh fruit are better than processed fruit juices. Fresh porridge is better than granola bars. Etc.

I can't see a reason to feed anyone crisps or granola bars or the like on a regular basis.

WillSucceed Tue 08-Jan-13 14:03:25

A lot of my reaction is cultural rather than the result of nutritional research.

Tbh if you had done some nutritional research on crisps you would probably have run a mile away from them....

But as this thread shows, you won't convince English people that crisps aren't that good for your health.

WilsonFrickett Tue 08-Jan-13 14:03:34

I'm sure I read somewhere if you added a pack of crisps to your lunch every weekday for a year (and made no other changes), you'd have put on a stone by the end of the year. I can't forget that now when I look at the lovely crispies...

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 14:04:10

I probably wouldn't put crisps in a kid's packed lunch. At the mo, my daughter is deliriously happy if there's leftover sausage and mash or pasta bake for lunch but then she's only 18 months and hoovers any food she can get her hands on so I make the most of it. Whether she'll become more fussy and peer-pressured at school we shall see.

steppemum Netherlands Tue 08-Jan-13 14:06:13

wilson - maybe there is some connection to the current obesity epidemic then?

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 14:09:48

Am in my early 40's. I wasn't given Penguins, Capri Sun, crisps or yogurts in my daily packed lunch. Set me up with decent eating habits. Don't eat those things now (apart from natural yogurt).

Flatbread Tue 08-Jan-13 14:14:50

I am waiting for the 'mung bean salad' in the packed lunch people

Lol, I grew up with mung bean salad in my lunch box. And sprouted beans, no less grin

Haven't made them for ages and am feeling a real longing now...sprouts, buttered toast and tea.

Sparklingbrook Tue 08-Jan-13 14:16:29

Yay Flat. grin i have never eaten a mung bean in my life. Can't eat sprouty things, sprouting potatoes are scary. sad

Well said Flatbread.

Not to mention the effect it has on our bodies, and our brain long term.

I have read so much about diet, about carbohydrates and potatoes lately, but admittedly mostly from a dementia perspective, that I can no longer justify potatoes and sugar in our family diet, other than for very special occasions.

I am not medically trained, but the various pieces of research I have seen point in the direction of potatoes and sugar as the main reasons for dementia. It would seem that potato starch crosses the blood brain barrier. Autopsies done on dementia patients show the same waste products in their brain as you have in potatoes. The biggest potato consuming nations, such as Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, Britain and on Gran Canaria (not the rest of Spain) have the highest proportions of dementia cases in the world. It has been linked to potato consumption. In addition, the latest findings I read, suggest calling Alzheimers Diabetes 3 due to the effect of sugar on the brain.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that fat and sugar is poison. Pure and simple. Obesity, Cancer, Dementia, it is western life style problem. We consume crap, such as crisps, biscuits, cakes, sugary squashes and fizzy drink like every day is our last day. We are entitled to treats.

WillSucceed Tue 08-Jan-13 14:20:23

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that fat and sugar is poison. Pure and simple. Obesity, Cancer, Dementia, it is western life style problem. We consume crap, such as crisps, biscuits, cakes, sugary squashes and fizzy drink like every day is our last day. We are entitled to treats.

Nothing to add to that.

FredFredGeorge Tue 08-Jan-13 14:21:30

WilsonFrickett No, it would be nearer 9lbs depending on the packet size and fat percentage etc it would need to be one of the big 50g packs every day to get up a stone though. However it's not as simple as that at all, since the body wouldn't leave everything else unchanged in that. In a normal non-overweight person (since current fat levels influence hunger) with a normal insulin response (so no pre-diabetes etc.) then hunger would be modified by the crisps and less would be eaten at a later date.

WillSucceed What nutritional research are you talking about? Potatoes are a complete source of protein, a good source of carbohydrates and other minerals, Vitamin A, E and B12 is all that's missing from being a sole food isn't it? So then it's just the sunflower oil you're saying is bad for you - which it isn't, it's just a source of fat (and adds the missing vitamin E too. High calorie density though, so as noted before it is a food which can easily cause you to overeat. And over consumption of calories is the problem most people have.

If the crisps are high salt versions, then you have the salt contribution, which if you have high blood pressure will increase it further, but in a fit healthy individual will have minimal impact.

Flatbread Tue 08-Jan-13 14:23:02

I haven't eaten a sprouting potato either smile

But sprouted mung are yum! Especially the way my mum prepared them, with shallots, tomatoes, cucumber and lemon.

But they take ages to sprout and you have to meal plan and be really organised. Doesn't work for me smile

Anonymumous Tue 08-Jan-13 14:23:18

WilsonFrickett you are worrying about nothing. That research says you will put on a stone by the end of the year if you eat a pack of crisps every day of the year ON TOP OF WHAT YOU ARE ALREADY EATING. You could say that about just about anything with calories in it!

If you eat more calories than you burn off, then you will put on weight - so if you eat an extra 120 or so calories a day (of whatever food) that you wouldn't otherwise eat and you don't exercise more to compensate then you will put on weight. The health police are just trying to scare you!

Tuck into those lovely crispies - just go for it! smile

Lakota Tue 08-Jan-13 14:23:23

I am eating a packet of Walkers Baked Stars. The label says they constitute 3% of a CHILD's daily fat guideline amount, and 6% of the salt. 2% sugar and 94 cals overall, constituting 5% of their calorie total. I don't think it would be too disastrous for an adult to eat these every day, assuming the rest of their diet was good.

That said, I try to keep it to a couple of packets a week for me, and one for the kids, because they should be considered a treat. A packet of McCoys extra ridgey, or whatever they're called, is probably a different beast.

NickECave Tue 08-Jan-13 14:24:56

I'd always go for twiglets over crisps - less fat and much tastier. Unfortunately DH and every other member of his family hates them with a passion bordering on mania. Both the DDs have inherited my twiglet gene though! smile

It doesn't matter how much exercise that you do or what your body size is, unhealthy fats will give you heart disease.

The UK had a very high rate of heart disease and deaths from heart attacks.

It was getting better for men, but it is the biggest killer of women and the rate is slowly going back up.

You cannot counter-act the effect of some subtances going into the body, because you don't put on weight, or you can run a marathon.

Crips aren't everyday food, but if you put them into your child's lunchbox, then you are teaching that they an "ok" daily snack.

TheRatsTheRats Tue 08-Jan-13 14:27:48

If part of a balanced diet I think it is healthy.
Having said that, when I go round to my parent's home they get in big packets for me and I sit and eat one after the other blush but I'm not claiming to be healthy.... grin

WillSucceed Tue 08-Jan-13 14:29:29

Fred, I am talking about the fact these crisps are full of trans fats/rancid fats, additives, preservatives. That they are all fast release type of sugar etc...

It's not just the fact we are talking about potatoes. It's all the chemical process involved in making crisps that is an issue. If you were making these at home, the issue would probably be different to start with.

Fats is an issue too because saying 'fats' doesn't help in any way. There lots of different type of fats some of which are really bad for you. There is also an issue with balance of the different type of fats (You know the omega3, 6 and 9). Having a diet high in vegetable fats for example is actually bad for us as the ratio omega 3/6 isn't the right one.

If you stay at the level of protein, carbohydrate, fats and calories you won't be able to make a sound judgement.
And vitamins and minerals.... in what form are they presents in said food? Have they been added? Are they in a form that the body can actually use (A lot of the minerals added into cereals aren't usable by the body, a lot of the vitamins sold as supplements are in a form that the body can't assimilate either)?

SanityClause Tue 08-Jan-13 14:39:13

I'm amazed at the way lots of people on this thread seem to equate thin to healthy.

Thin does not mean healthy! Is a malnourished person thin? Are they healthy?

Just because you are a size 8, it does not mean it is healthy to eat crisps every day!

HiggsBoson Tue 08-Jan-13 14:39:59

What a load of total bollocks.

people saying they'd 'feel a bit of a pig' or 'feel gross' at eating a packet of crisps ffs!

I fucking LOVE em smile

Disclaimer: I have a BMI of 20

HiggsBoson Tue 08-Jan-13 14:43:17

I'll bet every one of you "eew, crisps - how dreadfully common and unhealthy" brigade are eating something else on a daily basis that's just as bad if not worse.

Anonymumous Tue 08-Jan-13 14:43:38

I think I might be a tiny bit in love with HiggsBoson... blush

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KoalaTale Tue 08-Jan-13 14:55:05

Yabu. A small packet a day is no big deal.I eat them if I'm at work as part of my lunch but rarely at home. There are far worse foods, like McDonald's.

Anon leave Higgs alone....she is mine smile

fuzzpig Tue 08-Jan-13 15:00:05

I don't demonise them or view them as treats, but my DCs don't eat them every day. If they are having a snacky lunch then I split a packet between them. They don't generally have them in their lunchbox (sometimes I put some in a little pot so it's still not a whole pack) <tightwad mum alert>

OTOH, last year I was diagnosed with POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome) and was told I wasn't consuming nearly enough salt (I have always tried to avoid it as much as possible due to all the media about links to heart problems etc). Since changing my diet to allow more salt I have noticed a reduction in symptoms.

HiggsBoson Tue 08-Jan-13 15:00:40

Crisps are de-lish.

Especially Salt & Vinegar ones.

I've even been known to eat.....dare I even think to mention it on MN.....the GRAB BAG ones.....50g shock

Shamelessly greedy, but very yummy indeed smile

forevergreek Tue 08-Jan-13 15:00:41

I don't understand how you alm seem to be saying if you eat a generally healthy diet then they are fine to eat everyday. Surely you can eat double your five a day, then eat three spoons of salt and sugar. That won't be counteracted by the blueberries on your porridge!

fuzzpig Tue 08-Jan-13 15:01:35

(I know that's not particularly relevant to anyone else, but it did show me that bad/good foods aren't quite so simple as I thought)

WillSucceed Tue 08-Jan-13 15:04:30

I know that's not particularly relevant to anyone else, but it did show me that bad/good foods aren't quite so simple as I thought

yy, there is nothing simple about diet.

And a lot of scaremongering ideas told by the media that have nothing to do with a real balance diet.

Sparklingbrook Tue 08-Jan-13 15:06:57

I love Twiglets but I worry that I have to scrub my fingers with a nail brush after eating. grin

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 15:20:20

Eating well would probably be a lot easier if the media didn't push a new scientific study that shows that so and so is bad or good for you all the time. You used to be taught quite simply that everything is fine to eat and drink in moderation. Then somebody came up and said 'Be careful, caffeine is evil, have more than a couple of cups of coffee a day and you are sending yourself to an early grave!'. Then wait a couple of years, and hey! New study, telling you that you should have a bit of caffeine every day to live younger, but the good kind that's in tea, not the evil red bull.

Which is all good advice in theory, but so badly explained and argued that you end up scrutinising every single thing you ingest, measuring everything and getting more stressed over food than necessary. I think I need to go back to 'having a bit of everything is best for you and having lots of one thing is not good'. And continue to cook with butter on occasions.

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Sparklingbrook Tue 08-Jan-13 15:26:50

Yes Badger I thought it was sugar/aspartame/margerine/fizzy pop that was going to finish is off.

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 16:05:12

I'll bet every one of you "eew, crisps - how dreadfully common and unhealthy" brigade are eating something else on a daily basis that's just as bad if not worse like what Higs

I eat healthily. Today, porridge with skimmed milk and half a teaspoon of honey for breakfast. Lunch was (a weighed) portion of roast chicken, a slice of rye bread and a bowl of homemade vegetable soup. Had a banana afterwards. Supper is going to be quinoa, tuna steak and roasted asparagus. Won't eat any crisps, chocolate or biscuits or the like. Nor booze. And that's a typical days food for me. Plus 2 litres of fizzy water and 2 cups of coffee this morning. If I get an afternoon slump, I eat fruit.

Not suggesting I am superior to others - merely responding to the above comment.

Ps. I don't think crisps are common.

OmgATalkingOnion Tue 08-Jan-13 16:08:29

You weigh your lunch?confused

VinegarTits Tue 08-Jan-13 16:10:55

i love crisps, so does my dog

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 16:12:30

Yup. And breakfast, dinner etc... I want to maintain portion control / calorie & fat intake and its the easiest way for me.

KobayashiMaru Tue 08-Jan-13 16:52:35

There is an awful stink off this thread, riddled as it is with bullshit.

"have you seen the ingredients on a packet of crisps? Pure filth" "full of salt and fat" "terribly bad for you" etc etc.

Well, yes, I have seen the ingredients on a packet of crisps, I'm eating one right now. Potatoes, sunflower oil, veg oil, salt.
How shocking. hmm Also, rated as a nutritious snack by experts

KobayashiMaru Tue 08-Jan-13 16:54:30

Also, by the way, you're the TENTH fattest nation on earth, not the second. But why let facts get in the way of a rant?

HiggsBoson Tue 08-Jan-13 17:11:31

Ahhh...you see I would never dream of eating chicken.

Each to their own innit smile

Abitwobblynow Tue 08-Jan-13 17:17:16

A packet of crisps a day is fine provided it is part of a healthy diet. It is a good source of vitamin C and as long as the crisp eater isn't like me sitting on the sofa eating all sorts of other fat and salt laden shite like chicken dippers and potato waffles etc, it is fine.

For a young healthy kid running around doing sports etc. it is a perfectly fine and not unhealthy source of energy.

Out of curiosity, how many nations are there on earth?

2nd or 10th, same difference. Average weight in the UK is still more than 20 kg above average weight in the world, or thereabouts.

"A packet of crisps a day is fine provided it is part of a healthy diet. It is a good source of vitamin C "

Crisp-eating Brits will say just about anything to justify stuffing themselves with potato slithers cooked in transfat and dusted in salt.

What is wrong with eating an orange, or a kiwi fruit, or eating some black currants for your C vitamin intake, rather than claiming that crisps is a source of Vitamin C? confused

Anonymumous Tue 08-Jan-13 17:48:29

What is so fundamentally wrong with eating a bag of crisps?

% Daily Values*
Total Fat 10.49g 16%
Saturated Fat 3.069g15%
Polyunsaturated Fat 3.408g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.755g
Cholesterol 0mg0%
Sodium 147mg6%
Potassium 460mg
Total Carbohydrate 13.93g5%
Dietary Fiber 1.2g5%
Sugars 1.15g
Protein 1.84g

Vitamin A 0%Vitamin C 9%
Calcium 1%Iron 2%

15% Saturated Fat, 6% Sodium, 5% Carbohydrate

I rather get those Vitamin Cs elsewhere than Crisps to be honest.

Picturesinthefirelight Tue 08-Jan-13 17:50:12

I prefer chips with my sandwich personally but I remember watchingvthatborigramme a while ago & it turned our crisis were pretty healthy.

cinnamonnut Tue 08-Jan-13 17:51:51

A packet a day is definitely excessive.
I have crisps maybe once every couple of weeks or so - but this thread it making me crave some blush

"What is so fundamentally wrong with eating a bag of crisps?"

Nothing. grin It is your choice.

But calling it healthy, or claim that crisps have any part of a healthy diet is idiotic.

And I have any right to that opinion and will call it idiotic as long as my children have to see their school friends eat Crisps every Friday as "part of a healthy school diet" while their oat cakes and home made flapjacks are binned, because they are not crisps. hmm

Flatbread Tue 08-Jan-13 17:53:09

Nothing wrong with eating crisps occasionally.

It is eating them everyday and worse still, giving children crisps everyday, that is unhealthy

Proudnscary Tue 08-Jan-13 17:56:43

God I love crisps! Just had a bag. McCoy's Big Manly Beefy Bastards - or similar .

I only give my dc crisps once a week in packed lunch she says as if they don't eat sweets and pizza half the weekend and I probably have two or three packets a week.

I ain't dead (yet). And I'm not the size of a house (yet).

EuroShagmore Tue 08-Jan-13 18:02:06

Crisps (in big sharing bags) are weekend food in our house. A part-eaten bag will often go back into the cupboard until the next weekend (in an airtight container). That fits my definition of "little and often" for less healthy foodstuffs.

Proudnscary Tue 08-Jan-13 18:05:30

A part-eaten bag?

<boggles>

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 18:30:20

arf at McCoy's Big Manly Beefy Bastards I do like those

I eat a pack a day. The average multi pack is quite small.

For example the pack i had today contained 6% of my salt intake and 4% of my sat fat which i think is actually quite low. Beyond those 2 i dont really care so if i want them i will eat them as long as they are not too high in salt/sat fat.

Anonymumous Tue 08-Jan-13 18:36:08

I don't think anyone is claiming that crisps are necessarily healthy - just that a bag of crisps a day is not going to scupper an otherwise healthy diet and render the eater dead from a heart attack at an unfeasibly young age.

I have never smoked or taken drugs, I'm teetotal, I go to exercise classes at my gym at least four times a week and I walk 35 miles a week in term time doing the school run. Heck, I'm not even that keen on chocolates, cakes or biscuits! Do you really think a bag of crisps a day is going to make that much difference to my health? confused

exexpat Tue 08-Jan-13 18:57:09

I think the various people mentioning trans fats on this thread are a bit out of date - most crisps in the UK are not now made with hydrogenated oils, so you only get the trace amounts of naturally occurring trans fats that you find in any foods. (See here: www.snacma.org.uk/fact-or-fiction.asp

Also, the salt content isn't as high as you'd think. 'Healthy' traditionally made bread can contain much more, for example, according to this news story.

I'm not trying to say that crisps are a health food and we should all eat tons of them, but I don't think the plain, ready-salted, made with sunflower oil crisps I let my DCs eat are a major problem in my DCs' diet. Some of the more highly processed snacks with lots of flavourings and colourings might be another matter.

3smellysocks Tue 08-Jan-13 19:45:45

crisps = a bag of fat.

3smellysocks Tue 08-Jan-13 19:47:33

also normal potatoes have high GI

pigletmania Tue 08-Jan-13 19:48:43

Not a biggie in an otherwise balanced diet. We've got to have some vices

chocoluvva Tue 08-Jan-13 19:51:47

I second exexpat.

There's a world of difference between ready salted and flavoured hula hoops, monster munch or such.

Not a health food but probably on a par with cheese or bread and butter - salt and fatwise.

complexnumber Tue 08-Jan-13 19:55:03

I now want a crisp sandwich.

Preferably smokey bacon, on super long life bread, with one of the slices buttered. I might even consider grating a bit of cheese on it as well. Plus some Tabasco, of course.

I suppose I could also throw in a few slices of tomato and then call it a 'Crisp Salad Sandwich' (that sounds quite healthy!)

Hobbitation Tue 08-Jan-13 19:55:28

I buy one multipack of crisps a week- tend to get ones that I don't like so I don't eat them! The kids maybe have two bags each during the week.

I'm not concerned about their weight, it's just their salt intake as kids are meant to have so little. For me it's the reverse. Salt isn't a problem with my low blood pressure, and my overall intake is fine anyway but I would like to lose some weight. The trouble with me is one packet can lead to four. So I just don't have them, or only very occasionally.

chocoluvva Tue 08-Jan-13 20:05:33

Precious little fibre indeed.

I used to polish off 3 or 4 bags at a time too - which is a lot of salt by any stabdards.

greenplastictrees Tue 08-Jan-13 20:08:15

I eat a bag of crisps most weekdays as part of not a bad diet. Other than my daily bag of crisps, I think I eat quite healthily and the crisps I find filling.

Breakfast - either a slice of toast with salami
Lunch - usually a sandwich or left over dinner the night before, a bag of crisps and a piece of cake
Dinner - tonight was oven baked fish and veg with rice, last night was a chicken stew with sweet potatoes.

I tend to eat a lt of veg with lunch/dinner and I don't like fruit that much.

What I'd like to know is does anyone have suggestions for what I could replace crisps with that is just as filling but healthier? I always struggle with this!

greenplastictrees Tue 08-Jan-13 20:11:10

Damn it! This thread has just made me eat a second bag of crisps! blush think I missed the point!

expatinscotland Tue 08-Jan-13 20:14:27

YABU. It's all about moderation, IMO, and I eat crisps only rarely. But DD2 has a packet in her lunch, plus a piece of fruit and some sort of 'main' (sometimes a sandwich). She's sportive and an excellent weight.

MajesticWhine Tue 08-Jan-13 20:17:32

1 bag of crisps per day is the equivalent of 5 litres of cooking oil a year, according to last nights episode of Fat families. (horrible program I know and I am ashamed I watched it)

HiggsBoson Tue 08-Jan-13 20:22:57

Excessive?

The multi pack bags we have are too flippin' small - about 5 crisps in there hmm

MORE crisps please! Crunchy, munchy, salty, fatty gorgeousness that they are smile

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 20:23:33

If ate salami, cake, toast, sandwiches, crisps and prepared fish every day, I'd be enormous. I'm strict with my diet because I used to be a size 18 / 14 stone and worked bloody hard to get to 10 stone. Buggered if I'm going through that again!

And strangely, when I cut some food out of my diet, I stopped enjoying them. Tastebuds changed. Much prefer veg etc now.

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 20:24:32

If I ate....

fuzzpig Tue 08-Jan-13 20:24:43

What is 'fat families'?

HiggsBoson Tue 08-Jan-13 20:25:29

I'm a strict vegetarian who doesn't like cakes, chocolate, biscuits or cheese.

Crisps are my only vice and a very tasty one they are too smile

GobblersSparklyExplodingKnob Tue 08-Jan-13 20:30:01

I don't eat sugar or wheat, very little meat, don't drink or smoke, exercise mightily, but I fucking love crisps and would give them up for no man.

Bacon McCoys <drool>

greenplastictrees Tue 08-Jan-13 20:30:19

ifancyashandy - I'm quite 'fortunate' and don't put on weight very easily.I put fortunate in inverted commas because it didn't feel very lucky when I was desperately trying to put weight on for years. That's why I'm always reluctant to cut stuff out of my diet because I'm concerned that if I eat more healthy food/less then I'll lose weight again.

That said, a slice of toast with salami I consider quite a light breakfast and not particularly unhealhty. The cake is a small piece and is homemade when I'm not being lazy.

Perriwinkle Tue 08-Jan-13 20:32:11

LOL! France - the country that's so health conscious that you can't buy single packets of crisps yet boasts some of the unhealthiest foods around as it's national dishes! Pate de foie gras, duck confit - a duck leg skinned, and then coated in salt for hours on end and later coated in duck fat (extremely high in cholesterol) and boiled in fat. Oh, and any leftovers are stored in jars covered in - what else - duck fat! Oh and don't forget all those fat-laden sauces, buttery, rich pastries, gateaux, crepes, chocolate croissants and high fat cheeses - oh, and the lashings of wine and Gauloises and Gitanes.

As it goes, OP, I wouldn't advocate eating a packet of crisps a day myself. I have a packet once in a blue moon and enjoy them but I know a lot of people who simply can't eat a sandwich at lunchtime without a packet.

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 20:33:51

Fair enough Green. Although I'd take slight issue with describing salami as healthy - it's full of saturated fat & salt. But take your point - we've all different metabolisms.

I just feel better now I eat a low fat, lean protein, high fibre diet.

trixymalixy Tue 08-Jan-13 20:39:37

DS has a packet of crisps in his packed lunch every day. He's on a restricted diet due to multiple food allergies and is underweight. I try to get as many calories in him as possible.

greenplastictrees Tue 08-Jan-13 20:39:51

You're right - it does have a lot of saturated fat (it's probably not doing great things for my heart) but I do work to the 'everything in moderation' philosophy. A lot of the time I don't eat breakfast which is probably worse!

The baked fish is healthy...or at least I thought it was...am I wrong about that? I avoid frying it for the very reason that I cook it as a healthy meal.

I would still love to know what I could eat in place of crisps because anything else I add just doesn't fill me up.

trixymalixy Tue 08-Jan-13 20:42:28

And they mainly come back un/semi eaten much to my despair.

JustAHolyFool Tue 08-Jan-13 20:42:28

It's just empty calories though, isn't it? You can say that bread has sugar and salt in it as well, but it also has fibre and minerals. Crisps have nothing in them that are good for you.

Cat98 Tue 08-Jan-13 20:44:58

YANBU.
One of my bugbears is when people go on about 'not demonising food' etc. but a packet of crisps a DAY is more than allowing them occasionally surely? More than not demonising them; rather actively encouraging them...

Badgerwife Tue 08-Jan-13 20:46:08

Perriwinkle I know what you mean about some ok lots of the national French dishes but to be fair to the general population, they are not exactly eaten every day. People don't cook at home quite like the chefs would have you believe.

greenplastictrees as for what you could replace crisps with, I guess you could have rice cakes but they really really don't taste half as nice!! I eat lots of grapes and satsumas as snacks instead, or ryvita with either a bit of cheddar or just some butter. That last option is not exactly super healthy either but I also don't binge on it like I would with crisps.

MajesticWhine Tue 08-Jan-13 20:48:21

So Perriwinkle, how come the French are so much slimmer than the British? They are obviously not eating all those croissants and duck fat the way we are eating crisps.
fuzzpig, fat families is a reality show on some sky channel. Sort of in the style of You are what you eat, if you ever watched that, exploitative shite.

Food is food. The level of mumsnet obsession around the subject bewilders me. Balancing a diet should be a natural, uncontrived affair that should be considered over days and weeks, not minute by minute. I'm unconcerned about missing 'five a day' or overconsuming my quota of whatever others deem 'unhealthy' (as if a food can possess health). Over a period of time things will naturally balance out, I feel.

People love to chuck around nonsense phrases like "empty calories" and I frequently read flawed assumptions that we should all be avoiding or reducing fat, which is bonkers. some people could probably stand to increase their fat intake.

I'm pretty sure we've evolved as a species to be able to thrive on a widely varying diet. The reluctance to abandon a 20g portion daily of potato, oil and salt is unlikely to cause the extinction of humankind. I hope.

MarianneM Tue 08-Jan-13 20:52:00

I think it's pretty poor to give children crisps and chocolate as a part of their packed lunch every day, and then say as well that there are "healthy" things too such as fruit and yogurt!

Crisps and chocolate should have no place in children's diets on a regular basis - and yogurt in my opinion is a treat!

When I was at school we ate school lunches which were healthy: no crisps, no chips, no pizzas or burgers, no desserts. The bread accompanying the meals was ryvita. I always enjoyed the food. There were no overweight children that I recall in my school.

redlac Tue 08-Jan-13 20:53:44

Mmmmm cheese and onion walkers on a well fired scottish morning roll with lashing of butter

Anyway nowadays you get about 10 crisps in a normal sized packet now

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 20:56:03

GreenPlastic oat cakes? Fruit? Nuts?

I'm sure there'll be those that say all of the above have higher fat / sugar contents but these are a) naturally found (apart from oat cakes) and b) have other nutritional benefits (vitamins/fibre etc).

I'd go for a few Brazil nuts myself.

FredFredGeorge Tue 08-Jan-13 21:06:35

Ifancyashandy But potatoes and vegetable oil are also naturally found - and as you note oat cakes take considerably more processing to be eaten, unlike potatoes raw un-rolled oats contain no nutrition you can get at all so require extensive processing.

There's nothing wrong with chopping up a potato and deep-frying it.

If yogurt is a treat, then what is milk, given that yogurt is just milk but with more nutrients available?

FanFuckingTastic Tue 08-Jan-13 21:09:12

I don't like crisps, I think they are a choking hazard. Neither of my children are allowed potato crisps.

JustAHolyFool Tue 08-Jan-13 21:10:45

verylittlecarrot so presumably we can just eat what the hell we like?

Some people find it hard to know what a healthy diet is. We are so bombarded with advertising and a huge wealth of products that people don't always make the right choices: this much is obvious from the huge increase in people suffering from diabetes.

Yes, it SHOULD be easy to eat healthily. It SHOULD be easy for children to learn to read, for people to have healthy relationships, for people to not over-spend. However, most people are going to struggle with at least one area of their life. Just because you personally find it easy to eat a balanced diet doesn't mean everyone does.

FredFredGeorge Tue 08-Jan-13 21:10:52

verylittlecarrot Well said. The number of human groups thriving on very high fat, or very high carb diets or varied ones of all sorts shows that. The modern problem is simply too many calories of all sorts. But going low-carb or low-fat or something may help with limit excess calorie intake for some and because it doesn't matter how you get your non-protein calories it's better than over-eating! (as long as you're getting sufficient essential fat and enough fat for the fat soluable vitamins)

Trills Tue 08-Jan-13 21:11:38

YABU to think so strictly about things being "healthy" or "unhealthy".

It is possible to have a healthy diet that includes a packet of crisps every day. It is also possible to have an unhealthy diet that does not include any crisps at all.

ifancyashandy Tue 08-Jan-13 21:14:45

Fred agree about the oat cakes. Don't really eat them myself so not sure of the nutritional value.

And deep frying food can retain some nutritional value if you do it correctly (oil as hot as possible, 'healthy' oil etc). But it's still not recommended to eat deep fried food everyday

Cat98 Tue 08-Jan-13 21:15:30

Trills - your last paragraph is true in theory, but probably pretty rare in practice.

littlewhitebag Tue 08-Jan-13 21:17:43

A packet of crisps is defo unhealthy.You need at least two or three packets daily for optimal health.

<loves crisps>

pourmeanotherglass Tue 08-Jan-13 21:18:43

I only like crisps in the pub with a pint of beer. Guess this combo wouldn't be healthy every day.

MarianneM Tue 08-Jan-13 21:20:27

If yogurt is a treat, then what is milk, given that yogurt is just milk but with more nutrients available?

Do you know how much sugar is in most yogurts? If only people ate natural unsweetened live yogurt but do you think they do?

girliefriend Tue 08-Jan-13 21:22:50

grin at littlewhitebag - I agree with you entirely!!!

MarianneM Tue 08-Jan-13 21:23:29

Frube - the "healthy" staple in most children's lunch box:

RED BERRIES: Fromage Frais – Sugar 13.5% - Red Berries puree from concentrate 5% (Blackberry, Strawberry, Raspberry) - Modified maize starch - Flavourings - Stabiliser: Guar gum - Fruit Preservative: Potassium Sorbate - Acidity regulators: Sodium Citrates, Citric acid - Vitamin D.
Contains milk

Nice.

edam Tue 08-Jan-13 21:23:46

of course it's possible to have an unhealthy diet that does not include crisps! Someone could start the day with eggs, beans, bacon, sausages, then have a chocolate bar mid-morning, then a burger for lunch and curry for supper...

FredFredGeorge Tue 08-Jan-13 21:30:45

But why would you give those things as a treat MarianneM anyway? 'cos yes I thought most people ate natural yogurts flavoured with a bit of sugar <10% and fruit, e.g. https://www.yeovalley.co.uk/things-we-make/yeogurt/raspberry based on the ratio of what's stocked in my local shops, but no I don't know about school packed lunches. In any case, what you described is not a yogurt!

littlewhitebag Tue 08-Jan-13 21:32:24

What hab=ve crisps got to do with yogurt? (confused)

littlewhitebag Tue 08-Jan-13 21:34:08

Sorry had some lots of wine tonight. I am rubbish at being healthy. On the plus side my kids are 15 and 20 and seem quite normal.

MarianneM Tue 08-Jan-13 21:35:08

I wouldn't give them at all, but I know a lot of people do.

Do you think most people give their children Yeo Valley live yogurts - I very much doubt it.

Smudging Tue 08-Jan-13 21:37:20

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MarianneM Tue 08-Jan-13 21:37:40

hab=ve

Was that a hickup? grin

I envy the wine - am trying to drink less after Christmas excesses!

littlewhitebag Tue 08-Jan-13 21:40:14

It was indeed. I am not having a dry January - just a slightly damp one. The wine is lovely.

I'd have thought so, Badgerwife. Mind you, try telling that to dh. (Goodness knows, he wouldn't listen to me, so feel free!) The dc used to get a packet on Fridays, but now they have a school dinner on Fridays, so not anymore. I drop all my own rules at weekends, though.

We make our own bread <smug emoticon> and have adapted the recipe so it contains less salt and sugar <even smugger emoticon> but dd eats quite a lot of ham and drinks a lot of fruit juice <not so smug now emoticon> so I imagine all my crisp-curbing work is undone.

MarianneM Tue 08-Jan-13 21:44:03

envy

KobayashiMaru Tue 08-Jan-13 21:52:09

Crisps have nothing in them that are good for you?

Are you shitting me? They are made from potatos. Potatos are very very good for you, they are ridiculously maligned. They are high in Vit C and Bg, fibre rich, full of potassium and a good source of kukoamine. They are rich in oron and copper, mangnesium, phosphorus and niacin.

These things don't disappear just because you fry them in oil.

Get over yourselves and go eat some spuds.

So, add a boilt potato to your diet then, if you really want the nutrition it offers. smile

Crisps?

I dont eat deep fried blueberries, because blueberries are healthy. I eat blueberries. Deep friying them will of course not take away anything from the nutritional value (I think?) but the oil adds something I dont want.

As for the potato? Not risking it more than now and then, not as long as they have found the same protein structures you find in potatoes, as waste products in the brain biopsies of people with dementia, from populations with a potato heavy diet.

KobayashiMaru Tue 08-Jan-13 23:27:22

You're not risking a potato? Are the entire population of Ireland demented? Don't be so ridiculous.

Well, I personally will only eat potato for special occasions, and certain meals that "require" the good old spud.

I am not advocating that the entire world should stop eating potatoes. Just me. grin

But that is because I am in a high risk position to get a certain type of dementia which seems to be linked to high intake of potatoes and sugar.<sigh>

JustAHolyFool Tue 08-Jan-13 23:36:17

The deep-frying process destroys nutrients. Even boiling destroys nutrients - that's why steaming is better than boiling.

I'm no massive healthy eating freak, I have eaten the best part of a packet of biscuits this evening, but at least be realistic. We eat a load of shit sometimes in this country and half the time, it's totally unnecessary.

The French might eat cheese and croissants but they have less than half the number of obese people we do. So they must be doing something right and I'd bargain that it's because cheese and so on actually fills you up and gives you some nutrients. Crisps and other junk food just don't so you need to eat more later.

Thanks Holy (Have learnt my lesson)

You confirmed my suspicion regards to the deep frying. Had forgotten why steaming was better than boiling. hmm

See, my fears are not unfounded.

JustAHolyFool Tue 08-Jan-13 23:41:16

Quintessence I have no fucking idea about nutrition, I could be making this all up.

But I DO know wedding etiquette.

PurpleStorm Tue 08-Jan-13 23:42:26

YANBU.

I reckon a bag of crisps a day is unhealthy too. But I have real problems not eating crisps because I find them very very addictive and moreish. I'm having a good day if I stop at one bag.

You could have fooled me! smile

SwedishEdith Wed 09-Jan-13 00:01:00

www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2011/07/10/why-the-humble-spud-is-more-complex-than-a-human/

"THE DNA of the humble spud has been cracked by Scots scientists, who discovered it has twice as many genes as humans."

This thread is making me crave those bacon flavoured bugle crisps you get in French supermarkets.

HenryCrun Wed 09-Jan-13 00:07:08

I will eat cake, chocolates, doughnuts, sweets and cured meats all day long - and am paying the price for it now. But even I draw the line at crisps. They don't fill you up at all - they just leave you gasping for a drink and feeling faintly greasy and horrible.

KobayashiMaru Wed 09-Jan-13 00:52:45

thats not particularly true about frying destroying nutrients. It does ruin vit e, but is advantageous to b vitamins over steaming, for example.
Lazy, inaccurate, potato stereotyping.

DonderandBlitzen Wed 09-Jan-13 09:26:41

Wedding etiquette? Did someone upstage the bride by wearing a dress made of crisps or something?

chocoluvva Wed 09-Jan-13 09:30:16

France has a high level of liver disease.

DonderandBlitzen Wed 09-Jan-13 09:47:23

France's unhealthy statistics

The widespread perception of the French as a healthy nation is rapidly becoming outdated.

A government study, published this month, showed that France's male population has the highest level of cancer-related death of any country in the EU. Scientists concluded that the soaring death rate was directly attributable to the excessive consumption of tobacco and alcohol.

Figures showed that 20% more French men die from cancer each year than British,

janelikesjam Wed 09-Jan-13 11:28:32

I haven't read all the posts replying. Sometimes there's not much to say. Because. As. We. All. Know. Crisps. Are. Rubbish. Food. They are fast, processed food - oil and carbs. Its sad, chavvy food IMO.

That said, I do like as a little side dish with my posh salad dish confused.

janelikesjam Wed 09-Jan-13 11:29:35

And agree with Henry, they just leave you gasping for a drink and feeling faintly greasy and horrible. How true.

KobayashiMaru Wed 09-Jan-13 11:32:45

hmm

theodorakisses Wed 09-Jan-13 11:46:25

Yes how terribly common, these ghastly people probably eat sugar as well. Life without crisps would be life without any fun (or sugar), I couldn't disagree more and wonder why anyone cares what others eat

JustAHolyFool Wed 09-Jan-13 11:50:45

theodora I don't often eat crisps and I still have fun.

Nothing to do with what other people eat, I just want to be able to make the right choices for me.

JustAHolyFool Wed 09-Jan-13 11:57:43

But Donder you said in your own posts that those deaths are related to tobacco and alcohol, not diet. I'd guess the liver-related illnesses are also related to alcohol.

theodorakisses Wed 09-Jan-13 11:57:52

Well that's fine, make your choices. Personally I am utterly disinterested in what other randoms on a forum eat but question what motivates someone to make judgements on others is beyond me. Maybe it gives them a warm and fuzzy feeling to feel superior.

JustAHolyFool Wed 09-Jan-13 12:02:34

Maybe it does, I don't know, I don't feel superior to anyone and I'm certainly not placing some sort of moral value on food.

I do wonder why you're posting if you're not interested, however.

theodorakisses Wed 09-Jan-13 12:07:20

I am posting because I don't believe that my food choices are anyone elses business. I don't make up threads saying the sugar free lentilers are all twats making unintelligent decisions and don't see why a packet of crisps is a reason to patronise anyone else.

theodorakisses Wed 09-Jan-13 12:08:30

I am not even refering to you holyfool, just these smug little ops really irritate me. For gods sake, its a bag of crisps not a bag of crack

HelpOneAnother Wed 09-Jan-13 12:12:04

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noviceoftheday Wed 09-Jan-13 12:14:47

This thread is soooo weird!! I eat a packet of crisps or popcorn every day. At my last annual medical check up my bmi was 20, my resting heart rate was 49, good cholesterol was beyond the top of the range, bad cholesterol at the bottom of the range, and the assessment on heart was that if there were 100 people in a room, I would be the 97th to have a heart attack ( assuming everyone same age and sex). I wont be ditching the crisps as everything in moderation is the key and there are no bad foods. I get very cross when people say bad foods as children inadvertently end up hearing it and it is such a negative message.

AmberSocks Wed 09-Jan-13 12:22:54

I dont like crisps,my kids dont really like them either,my mum always brings loads of skips and wotsits down whenever she comes because shes convinced they are somehow being deprived,but they only ever eat 1 or 2 then just leave them lying around.

Its probably best not to eat them every day but im sure as part of a balanced diet its ok.

Have to point out though,that a lot of things people see as healthy i do raise an eyebrow at,like someone said oh my dd has a really healthy lunch she has a sandwich,crisps,yogurt and fruit....well if the sandwich is on white bread with a crap filling,the yogurt could be full of sugar and sweeteners and no crisps are good really,then its a pretty crappy lunch.

Im not saying dont eat that stuff,im just saying acknowledge that itsprocessed crap.

HelpOneAnother Wed 09-Jan-13 12:24:19

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Perriwinkle Wed 09-Jan-13 13:13:00

There are some unbearably smug, supercilious and insufferable people on this thread.

Badgerwife Wed 09-Jan-13 13:44:08

Perriwinkle I've just got back online to see where this has gone and am a bit hmm at the tone of some of the comments too! People do get very angry, don't they?

I probably could have put the thread on chat rather than AIBU, as that was really all it was, a bit of a chat, not a life or death 'everyone who eats crisps is gonna die young' sort of thread! I didn't perceive it as a rant about crisps, or saying that French people are better eaters than anyone else. I really don't care if people eat crisps, I was just curious about having them 'every day'.

jellybeans Wed 09-Jan-13 13:48:30

I often eat a pack a day and am not overweight. In fact I lost 3 stone on a healthy eating plan! It's when you eat more than one pack or fatty ones that it becomes bad. I eat loads of veg etc so it evens out.

I have taken note and so today did not have my usual pack of crisps......

had some prawn crackers instead smile

Bloody delicious and am using the grease off them as hand cream wink

theodorakisses Wed 09-Jan-13 14:38:53

If you put this on AIBU instead of chat it is just another way of saying "I am right, pat me on the back or dare to disagree with me and get flamed"

Anyway, in the spirit of AIBU, yes, I think you are being very unreasonable. Crisps may not be your cup of tea (which is probably a hanging offence as well) but they are not really worth such a big fuss. There are probably similar veined threads that criticise some aspect of your parenting unrelated to crisps that you would find bossy and judgemental. Horses for courses.

theodorakisses Wed 09-Jan-13 14:42:10

If food was the be all and end all why is there not a great difference between a middle class mum's kid who only allows macrobiotic lentils and thinks apples have too much sugar and the kid across the road who has fish fingers and beans for tea every night? Because when I last worked in a UK middle school, there wasn't a line separating the super healthy clever (or miserably pushed) kids and the others from across the road.

janelikesjam Wed 09-Jan-13 15:31:58

its just crisps, get a grip!

Perriwinkle Wed 09-Jan-13 16:01:25

Yes, indeed. Why does it seems to bother some people that other people might eat a bag of crisps everday? I didn't realise that it had the potential to make you a social pariah.

Anonymumous Wed 09-Jan-13 16:39:55

I am [shocked] that someone actually referred to crisps as 'chavvy'!!! It seriously never occurred to me before that food has its own class system. How does that work? Presumably foie-gras-stuffed swan with truffles, caviar and chilled vintage champagne is jolly-upper-class-and-superior-don't-you-know; an ordinary roast dinner with Paxo stuffing, King Edward potatoes and white wine is middle-class-and-aspirational; and anything processed, convenient, tinned or frozen automatically has 100% chav status?

This is an outrage! My cupboards have been infiltrated by chavs! Sorry, I need to go - I must turf those wretched tins of soup out into the cold winter night forthwith!

WilsonFrickett Wed 09-Jan-13 16:44:30

Noooooo, nothing 'normal' is middle class, it's all Tuscan bean stew with ciabatta and that lovely harissa from Waiterose for the middle classes these days.

VinegarTits Wed 09-Jan-13 16:46:58

are those hand cooked crisps with the jackets on middle class or what then?

WilsonFrickett Wed 09-Jan-13 17:07:03

Nah, middle class crisps are the ones made of organic parsnips and beetroots - the ones that taste of wood shavings. Or freshly made while glamping at Bestival.

Anonymumous Wed 09-Jan-13 18:09:58

Oh really? I thought those organic poncey things were for people with more money than sense. Hmmm... maybe those are upper-middle-class, and roast dinners are lower-middle-class? Surely a roast dinner made with fresh ingredients is more respectable and worthy of higher status than the BirdsEye frozen-roast-dinner-on-a-plastic-plate-and-stuck-in-a-box variety?

theodorakisses Wed 09-Jan-13 18:27:42

Telco value ones are the best but you need at least 4 packs in one go, they are very small portions.

WilsonFrickett Wed 09-Jan-13 19:26:43

I think you're only allowed a middle-class roast if you do it ironically and call it a 'roast dinner' with a roguish wink. And a five million pound organic chicken that's been happier than you.

Punkatheart Thu 10-Jan-13 12:23:09

Darn you all! (Shakes fist)

After being drawn back to this thread I then bought a HUGE bag of crisps - Walkers Deep Ridge Salt and Malt Vinegar. My lips went pink, I drank the ocean and now I have a large volcanic spot on my cheek.

Shakes fist again.

(But they were bloody delicious)

theodorakisses Thu 10-Jan-13 12:58:18

Deep ridge crisps sound a bit posh to me. Need to work harder on being common crisp eater punk

theodorakisses Thu 10-Jan-13 12:59:21

Using punk to poster name above not as when you say make my day punk

Punkatheart Thu 10-Jan-13 13:11:00

Ha well you made mine!

It reads very funnily!

Do you feel lucky (spotty, fat, kidneys groaning with salt) punk?

Oh yeah, baby.

Punkatheart Thu 10-Jan-13 13:11:53

I must admit to be a crisp snob. The last time I ate a cheap packet it felt as if I had just licked a teddy boy's hair.

Not a good thing.

theodorakisses Thu 10-Jan-13 14:15:38

I love Tesco blue striped crisps and, incongruously, they sell them in Qatar for £5 a six pack which makes me both posh and common. Take your pick, Punk.

WilsonFrickett Thu 10-Jan-13 14:21:22

Theo is spending £5 for Tesco crisps and Punk is walking around licking teddy boys. What's going on people, has the salt gone to your brain?

Punkatheart Thu 10-Jan-13 22:40:40

You will all turn into salt monsters:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwvZjDsBe2c

Oh yes you will.

(Model from Star Trek - how unlucky were the crew? They always picked pretty girls/women who were beasts or psychos)

meadow2 Thu 10-Jan-13 22:42:41

Probably not the healthiest but definitely wont make you fat.

StuntNun Thu 10-Jan-13 22:48:43

I love crisps, they are my favouritist of foods, yes even more than chocolate. Sometimes I have two bags in a day. If they're Doritos I could probably eat three bags in a day if I tried hard. I don't have a problem with them as my diet is otherwise pretty healthy.

Happymum22 Thu 10-Jan-13 23:05:25

The cafe where we eat lunch at work stocks these 'salty dog' crisps. They are incredibly addictive.

I bought crisps when the children were young 7 ish years ago and there wasn't so much healthy eating promotion. Lots of people had crisps nearly everyday in their lunch box of after school. Last few years I only buy them for occasions like Christmas or for with drinks if people are coming over.

Then I tried salty dogs and every day i swore each morning I wouldnt buy them but someone would get a packet and eat them in front of me. Having no self control I always ended up getting them. They are disgusting- dripping in salt and I'm surprised just one packet doesn't give you a heart attack or diabetes or something! I felt gross after and hate doing bad things to my body. A packet a day is generally too much IMO but can't talk then again depends on the rest of your diet.
New Years Resolution- no salty dogs. Going ok so far!

Punkatheart Thu 10-Jan-13 23:08:35

Stop this crispy porn, you heartless harlots. I hear the rustle of packets in my head, smell the sweet tang of vinegar, dream of that crunch on my teeth and the salty swallow.

It's like sex but.....................better.

PretzelTime Fri 11-Jan-13 00:35:13

I can only eat a small handful of crisps - there is something seriously gross about them, and that's not coming from someone who is a super health freak (see name)
YABU if you eat lots of crisps <controversial>

theodorakisses Fri 11-Jan-13 07:37:37

I would rather be unreasonable than eat boring old pretzels. Anyway, aren't pretzels American? If so the MN elite will have to slate those as well. Anything American is just dreadful darling.

Onezerozero Fri 11-Jan-13 08:20:48

I used to have crisps every day as a child, as did DH.
He would still eat a packet daily, and he does if we ever buy some.
I never eat crisps. I'm not denying myself- I just find them a very unsatisfying food.
I put half a pack into DD's lunch box maybe once a term. I'd rather give her a few cubes of cheese as her savoury snack. It seems more like real food. Or little sausages or something.

PretzelTime Fri 11-Jan-13 14:17:07

boring old pretzels

Ooooh buuuuurn

kerala Fri 11-Jan-13 15:10:57

YANBU. A mouthful of fat and salt yum. No wonder obesity rates are rocketing <munches ryvita have stone to lose after Christmas>

tittytittyhanghang Fri 11-Jan-13 16:06:04

YABU, because no one food on its own is healthy or unhealthy imo.

And today i have four bags of space raiders for my dinner. And they were immensely tasty. And i wont hear any bad thing against them.

Oblomov Fri 11-Jan-13 16:37:05

I LOVE crisps. One of my favourite foods. I have no idea why but I really love them.

Viviennemary Fri 11-Jan-13 16:41:47

If one packet of crisps a day is unhealthy does that mean if you have two or more that's OK. Presuming it must be. grin

PretzelTime Fri 11-Jan-13 16:46:19

YABU, because no one food on its own is healthy or unhealthy

YABU. <smug smiley> Crisps are not proper food and yes proper food can be unhealthy. It can contain allergens and other unhealthy things.

It's all right to enjoy crisps - (as the food police I graciously allow you to wink)(not that I understand why you like 'em) most people have something unhealthy that they like. Like chocolate. Mmmm, chocolate.

theodorakisses Sat 12-Jan-13 05:38:48

I think it is a mouthful of potatoes actually. Its not like i go to the fridge, get a lump of lard out and cover it with salt. No wonder the UK has lost its grip with coping with health and obesity.

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