To point out that you do not need a TV licence

(120 Posts)

Unless you watch live TV!

The TV licencing authorities have got everyone terrified, loads of myths about scanning equipment and having to let authorities in your home if they randomly turn up on your doorstep. All of which are told to be untrue on their own website. It's there in black and white, you are not breaking the law if you have your TV connected to a DVD player only, or if you watch (non-live) iplayer on your PC.

I'm told very often that I'm going to be locked up or fined for not having one hmm
Yet the actual authorities have no problem with me declaring I don't need one and haven't hassled me at all!

It's ridiculous. People need to be informed! grin

TwigsWithStupidLittleLightsOn Sat 05-Jan-13 21:57:29

YANBU but how many people don't watch 'live' TV?

MammaTJ Sat 05-Jan-13 21:59:29

Hmm,let us see!! Those who do not watch live TV sign up.

kim147 Sat 05-Jan-13 21:59:35

Legally you are correct.

Morally - why should I pay my licence fee to the BBC to provide a full range of quality viewing and services so people can watch it at their leisure on devices?

<ignores radio and internet provided by BBC which is funded but freely accessible>

You'd be surprised, a lot of people I talk to pay the licence out of habit or a belief that they have to, rather than because they actually do have to.

In case anyone was dubious, here's a quote from the website:
The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.
You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.
And the link to it

SwedishEdith Sat 05-Jan-13 22:02:49

This must apply to about 3 people nationally

Take a look at the other thread... wink
(The not having a TV one)

MikeLitoris Sat 05-Jan-13 22:06:50

Oh god.

You'll have people coming on telling you how morally wrong you are in a minute.

I pay my license because we watch live tv.

If I didnt then there is no way in hell I would pay £115 a year for it.

'Morally wrong' or not.

SuzysZoo Sat 05-Jan-13 22:08:31

What if I pause live tv on my BT box and then go and make a cup of tea and then come back in 10 mins to continue watching. Is that Live?!

Ahh, but "morally" I havent said whether I use iplayer or not, just that you can grin

There are loads of threads on this.

Legally and morally, no, you don't need a license.

People who claim that it's 'immoral' not to pay for a service you don't use are, IMHO, being daft. If they're rich enough to pay for services they don't use, they should do so, and stop trying to police everyone else.

I don't watch live TV, and it seems quite common amongst my mates. We're on budgets and the luxuries have to go.

forevergreek Sat 05-Jan-13 22:10:18

We don't have a tv. Dont pay a license. But do watch Bbc player occasionally on laptop ( maybe once a month)

gordyslovesheep Sat 05-Jan-13 22:10:24

I pay because I want to - I think it's value for money smile

Suzy, I'd say that would be counted as "recording live programmes as they are shown"

RustyBear Sat 05-Jan-13 22:11:30

Suzyszoo - it's not live, but it needs a licence because your BT box is recording the programme as it's being broadcast.

kim147 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:11:44

Radio 4
Africa
Pointless
QI
Miranda
Local radio
BBC 4

Well worth £115 a year smile

I know, LRD, I've been on them before.
But people incorrectly pointing out on the other thread that someone needed a licence made me think that maybe a little reminder was needed grin

KobayashiMaru Sat 05-Jan-13 22:12:33

You do if you are watching recorded (as in sky plus) programmes on a TV, just not if you are watching catchup online on a computer or device. Your OP doesn't actually specify the difference.

PoppyWearer Sat 05-Jan-13 22:12:42

If people do not pay their license fees, then the BBC will die. If the BBC dies, there will be No More CBeebies.

Without CBeebies, many of us will be forced to stop MN'ing and entertain our children. Mumsnet will probably survive die.

Please, think of me the children and Justine and Olivia and Rebecca and all and pay your license fee! <dismounts soapbox>

But seriously...just pay it. A world without the BBC would be...like the US. <shudders>

tittytittyhanghang Sat 05-Jan-13 22:13:22

is it just live bbc programmes? We have sky but honestly cant remember the last time we watched any of the bbc channels. I wish therewas an opt out option.

Worley Sat 05-Jan-13 22:13:38

we never watch bbc. Cartoon Network, sky 1 and e4 are the main channels in our house.. we pay for sky.. so we do we have to fund the bbc?

You're not wrong there, beyond.

It always amazes me how many people don't seem to get that TV is a luxury, not a necessity. Sure, it's very nice to have and it's not wildly expensive over a whole year, but you don't get the same attitude over anything else comparable - no one is stunned to find you don't have the papers delivered daily, or you don't have a magazine subscription. Why's TV different?

SwedishEdith Sat 05-Jan-13 22:16:07

So, those who have no tv but have the abliity to watch it live on their laptop don't do so to avoid the licence fee? Yeah, right, course they don't. grin

sunshine401 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:17:43

You have to pay for a licence if you have a radio. sad

LynetteScavo Sat 05-Jan-13 22:18:08

If people do not pay their license fees, then the BBC will die. If the BBC dies, there will be No More CBeebies.

Without CBeebies, many of us will be forced to stop MN'ing and entertain our children. Mumsnet will probably survive die.

Brilliant. grin

StuntGirl Sat 05-Jan-13 22:18:11

We don't have a licence and don't watch live tv.

sunshine401 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:18:15

Or laptop or computer device ..... the list is endless.

KobayashiMaru Sat 05-Jan-13 22:18:28

you still need a license even if you don't watch the bbc.

kim147 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:19:03

No Steve Backshall
Or Horrible Histories

sad

You do not have to pay for a TV license if you have a radio.

swedish - yes, really. Why? confused

The only time I have really missed not being able to watch live TV was the olypmics opening ceremony (went to a mate's). Everything else ... well, it's right there on Iplayer a whole hour after, it's not exactly a challenge!

DameSaggarmakersbottomknocker Sat 05-Jan-13 22:19:16

ds watches at university on his laptop via our SkyGo thingy. Does he need a licence? confused

And how would they know as it's via t'internet? <awaits knock on door>

PoppyWearer Sat 05-Jan-13 22:19:44

<hastily reads other thread about whether or not to acknowledge a compliment from another MN'er>

Thank you LynetteScavo. blush

sunshine - no, you don't!

You only need it if you watch/record live TV as it's being broadcast.

Radio licences were abolised in the seventies!

See, another myth!

sunshine401 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:22:29

When I first moved in to our new home. I was there on a day off and the children were at school. None of the actually furniture was even there yet I was just decorating the living room. I got a knock on the door from a TV licence person so I informed her we had just bought the house etc. SHE CAME in and pulled me about the bloody radio I had on!! I explained I already had a licence at my old address and was going to move it when I moved in all together and she did back off. But still RUDE!!

Dame legally, yes. But they dont have magical scanning equipment that can find him, although if they had a warrant (I think? This could be wrong) they could find him from his IP address?

sunshine401 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:23:18

And that was only 5 years ago!!! I should complain! angry

SwedishEdith Sat 05-Jan-13 22:23:20

Well, you must be one of the three this applies to nationally LRD. Well done for being so law-abiding

never let any "authority" in without a warrant!!!

Rubbish. Loads of people do this swedish. I know more than three people.

Why do you assume everyone is either exactly like you, or a crook, just out of interest?

KatyPeril Sat 05-Jan-13 22:24:20

Thanks for sharing. I get sick of people getting on their high horses and telling me I'm breaking the law for not having a licence. I phoned them up! I don't need one! <and relax>

dabdab Sat 05-Jan-13 22:24:31

We don't have a tv (haven't done for 20 yrs), and don't watch live on laptops. Instead we do lots of 'cultrul' things of an evening like mumsnetting and watching box sets grin

grin

Same here dab.

I watched the olympics at my mums <polishes 1/3 law abiding badge>

DameSaggarmakersbottomknocker Sat 05-Jan-13 22:27:05

Oh thanks.

I'm not paying [morally bankrupt]

Dame when I cancelled mine, they even refunded the months I'd paid in advance. The bastards.

DeWe Sat 05-Jan-13 22:29:14

I don't watch live TV. Ever. We don't have a TV.
TV licencing have finally accepted that and stopped sending letters to the house that say:
"Please reply with the following options: 1. Oops sorry, I shall shortly be buying my TV licence
2. I would like to sign up to pay monthly direct debit for my TV
3. I have already got my TV licence"

Um... no option for "don't have a TV" then?

They do eventually stop sending letters if you keep getting back to them explaining. We've been here since 2009 and by now they have given up with the letters and have us down on their database as not needing one.

(They can be fucking rude meantime, though!)

ivykaty44 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:32:23

I have two old tv's that are analogue and therefore can't watch any live tv on them - one is in the garage on a shelf and the other is broken and needs to be dispatched.

We do have internet but we prefer to watch films and down load and pay for them.

I do not need a tv licence to do this as we don't watch live tv.

I know two other households who don't have tv's - one doesn't have internet either. I doubt we are the three people nationally that don't have tv.

When my friends dd went to uni - she was told to get a tv licence as she would need one and would be breaking the law if she didn't have a licence - she didn't have a tv, she did have a laptop - but you don't need a licence to have a laptop....

The tv licencing people have called twice at one friends house twice, no tv and nothing to worry about - but the second time the man wasn't asked in and he knew that without a court warrant he couldn't enter the house. To get a court warrent you need proof and the tv man had no proof that the friend may or may not have a tv.

If other people want to pay £115 per year for something they think is good value - then fine but I didn't think it was worthwhile getting my aireal fixed when it broke and didn't miss the tv so I guess I didn't think it was good value enough to pay out shed loads of money. I must admitt I though the tv licencing was more three years ago - has it gone down in price?

SwedishEdith Sat 05-Jan-13 22:33:29

Erm, do I LRD? confused Bizarre comment. I find it highly improbable that there are a significant number of people who have easy access to live tv and do not ever look. Ever.

gordyslovesheep Sat 05-Jan-13 22:36:51

without the BBC we will be forced to WATCH the combined output of E4, Sky1 etc - a diet of Hollyoaks and cheesey quiz shows <shudders>

I go for quality over 'chewing gum for the eyes' every time grin

redwellybluewelly Sat 05-Jan-13 22:37:19

In the summer dh and I decided that we were going to ditch the tv license for a year and choose films and programmes we wanted to watch.

We have to have very fast broadband for our jobs so we have a variety of subscriptions and download or watch via streaming. It's great. We save money and the tv is on much much less.

We therefore know the rules but are also staggered by how many people tell us we're breaking the law. We also rarely watch anything via BBC iplayer because there is so little worth watching so raspberries to people who think we're abusing their licence fee.

Obviously, then, yes, you do think people who're not like you are crooks.

It's like saying I have 'easy access' to my neighbour's property when she leaves the spare key with me. It's true, but oddly enough, doesn't suddenly turn me into a thief.

I'm not sure why you are so surprised that most people have moral standards.

ivykaty44 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:38:53

swedish - why would you ever need to watch live tv?

Franz1980 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:39:14

Why the hell should I have to pay a TV licence to watch non-BBC channels? BBC channels are the only ones the licence is for the rest are funded by advertising and therefore free.

The BBC channels are crap anyway.

SwedishEdith Sat 05-Jan-13 22:41:59

ivykate - some people like sport

I think sport's a fair reason. Or if you're really into stuff like Britain's Got Talent where you'd be spoilered very easily.

I'm not so sure I see the value when what I watch most of are US imports that you can get on DVD easily anyway.

KobayashiMaru Sat 05-Jan-13 22:43:43

It's quite hard to watch live tv on a laptop, isn't it? I know how to stream live sports from other countries but thats all. You can't watch live bbc online for example.

ivykaty44 Sat 05-Jan-13 22:45:58

Yes I like sport particualy cycling- but no need to watch live tv. I spent most of July in the gym as they have live tv, as do most local pubs round here that show live matches on sky channels - as terrist tv rarely show live sport

Takver Sat 05-Jan-13 22:49:39

Interestingly, its much easier not to have a tv license these days, it seems like it has become much more common. Go back to say the early 90s (when we did not have a tv, and no such thing as Iplayer nor computer monitors that could theoretically be attached to a tv input, so no grey areas at all), you had to write to them basically justifying yourself, and you still got endless hassle.

These days you go online, tick a box, and hear not a squeak more from them til the next year when you do it again.

Besides, who needs tv these days when you have Mumsnet grin

blueemerald Sat 05-Jan-13 22:57:16
KobayashiMaru Sun 06-Jan-13 00:24:01

Well, shows what I know!

StuntGirl Sun 06-Jan-13 20:01:07

Well, you must be one of the three this applies to nationally LRD. Well done for being so law-abiding

And then there's me and my partner, so that makes three. Jolly good.

wineoclocktimeyet Sun 06-Jan-13 20:11:45

£115 for a licence - dont think thats right, we've just renewed ours (cos we do watch live tv) and it was £145.50

Clearly I am in excellent company, stunt. smile

Though by the looks of this thread we are each several people.

1charlie1 Sun 06-Jan-13 20:26:42

DH and I don't have a TV, and don't watch anything 'live' via our laptops. The last time we wanted to watch something live (Murray v Federer at Wimbledon), we went and found a pub that was showing it.

I really dislike the fact it is an 'opt-out' system. I don't see why I have to give my personal details to the Licensing Authority when I am explaining why my address should not be bombarded with harrassing letters demanding payment. It should be enough that I can indicate that a particular address is not in need of a licence. Why do I have to give my name and other personal details when I DON'T want a service? I find that extremely intrusive.

katolla Sun 06-Jan-13 20:27:56

I haven't had a licence in years, listen to a lot of radio 4 though so feel like I should get one on principle. Didn't have a tv till DP moved his in, there's no reception here though so he just uses it for Xbox.

boomting Sun 06-Jan-13 20:32:44

I have a TV licence because my housemates wanted it, and in fairness it is nice to be able to all watch the TV together.

However, if I lived alone then I probably wouldn't bother - I don't watch much live TV anyway, and anything I really do want to watch (like Downton!) is available online.

ivykaty44 Sun 06-Jan-13 20:38:22

1charlie1 you don't need to give any detaisl to the tv licence people

i just wrote and told them I was withdrawing rights of access and enclosed one of their demanding letters which was of course addressed to occupier but with the correct address. I signed of as joe bloggs.

The wrote back stating they would catch me out any way and I haven't heard anything since as they legally can't write to me wink

portraitoftheartist Sun 06-Jan-13 20:48:17

I know loads of people who never watch live TV but go on paying for a licence.
We have no TV and have had no hasselling from the authorities, I think they wrote twice then never again.

1charlie1 Sun 06-Jan-13 20:51:48

Thanks for the tip, ivykaty. I tried to opt out via their website, but could not do so without having to include my name etc. on the web form, which I felt uncomfortable with. I will wait for their next obnoxious letter, and do as you did!

Catchingmockingbirds Sun 06-Jan-13 21:13:54

If you have no tv, and only watch pre-recorded programmes on your computer, would the tv liscence company have to prove that you watch live tv on the PC or would you have to prove that you don't?

specialsubject Sun 06-Jan-13 21:40:35

in practice no-one bothers checking up on those who say they just watch pre-recorded TV. The TV licence enforcers are the notorious C--r--apita, not the BBC themselves.

the law has fallen way behind the tech. If too many people opt out, no BBC. No thanks.

but if you want to opt out of the licence and stick to the rules for doing so, it is perfectly legal.

solution: encoded BBC (TV, radio, iplayer) on payment of licence fee. Those who want endless commercials with a bit of TV will then be able to do so.

Thank you. This applies to our family, I think. I did not know this!

We dont watch live tv. We only watch dvds, I player, and play games.

BUT, what about our Love Film Subscription? This is not live?

Paiviaso Sun 06-Jan-13 22:09:43

YANBU, I was really surprised at people claiming they bought TV licences in order to watch DVDs etc on the other thread.

What a waste of money because you didn't look at the website!

StuntGirl Sun 06-Jan-13 22:14:10

Love Film, Netflix etc are nothing to do with the licence fee. If that's all you watch, alongside iPlayer and DVD's you don't need a licence.

I have just tried to cancel ours online as we've decided to move it upstairs and just use it for the Xbox. However, I have to send them evidence...how on earth do I prove it?!

pylonic Sun 06-Jan-13 22:16:26

Hold on. So if the TV licence man comes round, I don't have to let him in, or if he gets a warrant I have to let him in but I can just unplug the aerial and free view box first, meaning I save myself £145 a year??

I've just cancelled my licence direct debit based on this, so I hope it's verifiable. I mean, their website does seem to back you up ... shock

Tortington Sun 06-Jan-13 22:18:56

i haven't got a tv, i dont watch live tv, i do watch i player. i enjoy the bbc immensley and i think this country would be subject to huge political influence via TV with no balance as per the USA. So although its not live, i'm not made of money and it could be a saving, i DO actually really enjoy LOADS the BBC has to offer. I read the news daily - many times
the weather daily
bbc i player tv daily
bbc radio daily r2,r4,r5

so i pay.

I am not saying YOU or anyone else is morally wrong. but i personally feel morally right. I love the BBC as an institution and i will gladly pay to keep it.

StuntGirl Sun 06-Jan-13 22:19:18

Agreed LRD smile

I don't know why people think it's so hard not to watch TV. There's bugger all on I want to watch anyway - which is why I don't watch it in the first place!

smile

Oh, I love TV. It's just I like much more US stuff and I know I'd want to watch it again, so I'd rather have DVDs. I'm not highbrow, I'd love to pretend I was, but I watch shedloads of stuff.

StuntGirl Sun 06-Jan-13 22:53:13

I am not high brow either, I use mine mostly for video games! blush

BombayBlue Mon 07-Jan-13 01:02:17

So...
If for example the licence fee was for c4, funding hollyoaks, Alan Carr, one born, location etc, all v popular progs watched by many, ignored by many and hated by many. but to view any live tv you had to pay the fee.
All you BBC lovers, would you still pay a c4 licence fee to watch your beloved bbc? Or would you be peeved to pay money for something you don't use and don't like, but still have to pay to access you preferred programs?
Because that's how many of us see it. We don't watch bbc, think its pretty rubbish and poor value for money.
But we still have to pay it.

BombayBlue Mon 07-Jan-13 01:08:46

Also, in our area we can't receive a signal through aerial, and the only option is Sky. (Virgin etc don't supply here so really no other option, no freeview either)
So if bbc can't invest in supplying our area to watch them why should I pay the bbc license fee to not receive any channels, then have to pay sky to get the channels that I'm already paying bbc for?

cafecito Mon 07-Jan-13 01:11:06

I refuse to own a TV

I am not in the UK so it doesn't apply to me, but we don't watch live tv. ever. we decided when we first moved to the Usa that no way could we put up with their advert breaks so instead pay for netflix and hulu. we find that covers most of our favourite shows even if it means waiting a year for them.

added benefit - the kids have no idea about toy adverts so never ask for the hard to find Christmas top ten...

I don't watch live tele, only dvds and iplayer/4od. I have no interest in watching live tv. I am always amazed that people find that so unbelievable!

flying I love the no toy advert factor too!

We do watch live TV so need a license but... When we bought a TV (Asda a few years back) they made us sign a document giving our details to the TV licensing people declaring we will be getting a TV license. I said I wasn't comfortable doing that as it asked for bank details etc and we already had a license and they refused to sell the TV without the other license! Naturally, we took our business elsewhere but the same thing happened a few months ago when we got our new TV but via enclosed letter from Amazon...

TV licensing is a rip off anyway! I called to change bank details a in September only to be told by the man n the phone that the fee would double as we would need to pay a full year in 6 months and claim the payment we had already made back as it voids the license! Load of shite IMO and I told him that repeatedly until he got his manager at my (again repeated) request!

They are seeming trained to be as rude and obstructive as possible so you pay up without argument...

PimpMyHippo Mon 07-Jan-13 01:29:04

I shared a flat with five other people in my first year of uni - 3 of them had TV's and watched live, so they paid their licenses (because the bedroom doors had locks on, they counted as separate dwellings so they all had to pay for a full TV license each) and the other 3 of us didn't have TV's and only watched catch-ups online. We were constantly bombarded with letters demanding that we pay our licensing fees - we filled in the online forms to say we didn't need licenses, we did the paper ones and posted them back, but still they kept sending letters. They were even threatening legal action, telling us they'd take us to court! shock I know a lot of the other students in our block were so intimidated that they paid up despite knowing they didn't actually need licenses, because they were just scared of being sent to court. We just kept sending and re-sending the forms, and after a few months of harassment they eventually backed off.

I wonder if their persistence in trying to intimidate us was something to do with the fact that we were young adults living away from home for the first time in university accommodation and they thought we might be easy to intimidate... hmm

ComposHat Mon 07-Jan-13 01:29:19

I don't watch live TV, and it seems quite common amongst my mates. We're on budgets and the luxuries have to go

Yep I think it is a generational thing. I got a TV for the first time in years and duly bought a licence. Only to find that I almost never watch live TV, due to my odd sleeping/work patterns. I'm very selective about what I watch and don't do the whole plonk myself down in front of the box thing.

Almost everything I watch is on iPlayer which I watch on the TV screen and play through the laptop. Next year I will forgo the licence and only watch stuff on the iPlayer after it has been broadcast.

StuntGirl Mon 07-Jan-13 01:36:09

I have just tried to cancel ours online as we've decided to move it upstairs and just use it for the Xbox. However, I have to send them evidence...how on earth do I prove it?!

I wouldn't. I would just cancel it and let them send their threatening letters. Although I've only ever been in the position of not having one to begin with, rather than cancelling it.

Hold on. So if the TV licence man comes round, I don't have to let him in, or if he gets a warrant I have to let him in but I can just unplug the aerial and free view box first, meaning I save myself £145 a year??

I've just cancelled my licence direct debit based on this, so I hope it's verifiable. I mean, their website does seem to back you up...

If you're actually watching live television as it's broadcast then legally you should pay. Just unplugging the aerial won't be evidence enough for them that you're not watching it (after all, anyone could do that...)

But if you don't actually watch TV then you're right. Cancel and send back their letters stating you don't need one. You don't have to let their staff into your house either, unless they have a warrant. Which they won't.

StuntGirl Mon 07-Jan-13 01:38:39

x-post - Definitely think it's a generational thing. Technology allows us to watch in other ways at other times, plus the rise of cheap dvd's and streaming services through laptops/tablets/gaming consoles means we have other options than regular scheduled TV.

ComposHat Mon 07-Jan-13 01:51:31

But if you don't actually watch TV then you're right. Cancel and send back their letters stating you don't need one. You don't have to let their staff into your house either, unless they have a warrant. Which they won't

Also write and withdraw their implied right of access to your property. This should stop them entering communal areas of a flat or pathway to your home. You don't have to prove anything to them, for them to prosecute they have to catch you watching live TV.

Also don't be fooled by the great detector van lie. They don't exist, it was an exercise in mass fear perpetuated by TV licensing.

Stuntgirl the problem is that I've literally just last week renewed the licence, so I want at least some of my money back-that's why they want evidence. I don't think they're going to give it to me, are they hmm

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 07-Jan-13 07:20:11

I don't watch live tv. Nor on iPlAyer. Nor do I pay a licence.

DillyTante Mon 07-Jan-13 07:30:47

Interesting thread as we are just about to cancel sky & our TV licence. We almost never watch live TV. I do love the BBC though & don't resent paying the licence but luxuries have to go. The only thing I will miss is live tweeting/Mumsnetting when the apprentice & masterchef are on!

I cancelled mine online about six months in, they did it no problem, didnt ask for evidence and refunded what I'd paid within a week, without me even asking! (I paid by dd and didnt realise I'd paid in advance)
Guess I must have had a nice CS rep look at mine!

Antoinette are you in a digital area and have you got sky?
Cause I guess that not having a digital reciever in a digital area is as close as you will get to proof?
Apart from that, I'd find out who they are accountable to (ofcom?) and complain!

confuddledDOTcom Mon 07-Jan-13 12:18:04

I got rid of my TV for a year once, we ddin't miss it and didn't have net access at home then, although even if we did I don't think the players had been invtented then. I was in a block of flats that didn't have a good enough ariel to watch anything on TV and we weren't allowed sky dishes, so I didn't see the point in keeping it. I got a TV again when I got pregnant and moved house. Even now we're out of the TV watching habit so I rarely watch anything live but we do have BT Vision in our room and Sky downstairs so that's what we get the licence for.

Someone said you can't watch live TV on a laptop, apart from BBC being live on their site now, you can also buy a dongle for £20 that turns your laptop into a TV. Pretty good quality too. I got one so I didn't have to spend loads of money on Patient Line!

StuntGirl Mon 07-Jan-13 13:25:55

I'm not really sure antoinette, but it seems bonkers. There is no way to prove it really, that's what makes it so hard. You'd have to remove every device capable of getting TV or catch up services from your home,(so that includes pc/laptop/smart phone/gaming consoles) and wait for them to come and check. If they even do at all (something like 14% of people who send back the forms stating they don't need one get a visit). They operate on the basis of guilty until proven innocent, it seems. They just can't seem to get their head around the fact that some people don't watch tv!

I would probably write back and ask precisely what evidence they require, and do that, or write back and just reiterate you no longer watch live tv, will be cancelling your account with them and you would like a refund of the advance payments by X date. Although they are an absolute sham of an organisation so I doubt you'd get anywhere with them unfortunately sad

meah Mon 07-Jan-13 13:36:31

HA i have many outstanding fines for non payment of tv licence and still dont have and refuse to buy one grin - Speaking from LOTS of experience, always remember this... When the big bad lying guy from tv licencing knocks on your door 1stly DONT answer the door to him, they can nothing and tend not to return for quite sometime! 2, if the first option is unavoidable (this bit is important) DO NOT ALLOW HIM/HER INTO YOUR HOUSE AT ANY COST, if you do and as most people do have a tv it doesn't actually matter if you say its not connected or its only for 4od and dvd's because they still take you to court and fine you, However if they cant gain access into your property to see for themselves whether or not you have a tv they can do diddly squit - but do remember NOT to tell them that you have a tv because they then take you to court and you have admitted owning a tv but there is no proof is not connect and used for live tv, the courts always favour the word of tv licencing against yours. smile

ivykaty44 Mon 07-Jan-13 14:28:21

1charlie1 Th reason I made up a name to sign of with (didn't actually put J Bloggs) was due to me reading that although you don't need to give your name for withdrawing access this was one point TV licenceing would argue about - the fact it wasn't legal without a name - which is untrue. So just gave any old name.

I am also informed that it will last around 3 years and then the process needs to be repeated - for the piece of mind the cost of a stamp is easy. here is why I was so keen to stop them threatening to call round the house as this is a local town some 15 miles from me

SarahStratton Mon 07-Jan-13 14:34:37

No television? <gibbers>

What do you all do?

Biscuitsareme Mon 07-Jan-13 14:44:51

New here. No, I don't watch live tv. Watch BBC iplayer about once every 3 months and listen to the radio in the car. Don't feel I'm missing anything much. But I expect the kids will want live tv when they're older- so I'm relishing the present live tv-less state of our house.

redwellybluewelly Mon 07-Jan-13 14:48:06

if you do and as most people do have a tv it doesn't actually matter if you say its not connected or its only for 4od and dvd's because they still take you to court and fine you

That is BS. biscuit <-- my first ever

DozyDuck Mon 07-Jan-13 14:50:46

I don't watch live tv actually. I hadn't realised until just now blush

I might fancy turning the tv on one day though

"No television? <gibbers>

What do you all do?"

DVD's, internet, computer games, catch up, read, sew...

dozy if you cancelled and that day ever came, all you'd have to do is pay instantly online grin

murder you missed out mumsnet!

You mean there's more to the internet than MN?!

MotherOfSuburbia Mon 07-Jan-13 15:21:00

No TV here either. We haven't ever had one so no licence. If the BBC start charging for iPlayer we'll stump up but mostly we just use netflix and lovefilm and dvds. I consider myself a pretty moral person but it never crossed my mind to voluntarily pay the licence fee when we don't have to just to watch a couple of iplayer programmes every now and then.

It's a real shock when we're staying with relatives and flicking through a gzillion channels with pretty much nothing on and awful adverts as well.

No TV here either. As I said on the thread a few weeks back, we watch, at most, 5 hours of iplayer or 4OD between five of us a week. Why should we buy a license to watch reruns of QI and Heston Blumenthal? I don't understand why you'd want a TV tbh confused

ivykaty44 Mon 07-Jan-13 16:47:17

SarahStratton I wonder the same -when do those of you with tv's have time to sit and watch them?

lljkk Mon 07-Jan-13 18:25:43

If there are enough people in the family, some of them will have time to sit and watch live TV.

I would miss live cycling coverage. I think most sports fans would prefer some live TV as option. (imho) It is morally wrong to waste bandwidth watching live sports over the 'Net.

BBC radio on all day here so I would feel like a right scrounger not to pay something towards it.

forevergreek Mon 07-Jan-13 19:25:58

Lljkk-I don't think that's true. I had a tv as a child but it broke when I was about 10 and they have only just got one again in the last year or so

I have 2 sisters and 2 brother. Both parents living at home. So 7 of us growing up. I can't remember anyone having plenty of free time for tv. ( this was in the 90s so not centuries ago

School finished at 4pm, home at 5pm. 5-6.30 was just catching up, eating dinner, etc etc. then as all at secondary by then. An hour min homework (3 hours generally for anyone of exam age). Read/ shower bed

Weekends were out/ in garden/ working/ reading/ friends etc..

The only time would be to watch a film every so often. But just did that at the cinema occasionally

No license here. Just use it for DVDs. They send me letters but i ignore them. Dont see why i should have to declare i am not committing a crime once a year or so.

I dont walk down to the police station to inform them of this so why should the BBC be any different ?

ControlGeek Mon 07-Jan-13 20:15:43

Another one with no TV here, haven't had one in almost 8 years. DP loves his DVDs so we'll watch those, or box sets of series we both enjoy. We both spend far too much time on the internet or otherwise enjoying ourselves to be worried about finding time to plonk ourselves in front of a TV!

The only thing I genuinely miss about the TV was the wii, as it doesn't work properly through a computer monitor.

I could rattle on about these bullies for hours, but will stop here grin

BegoniaBampot Tue 08-Jan-13 01:48:10

Don't really get it. Morally, what's the difference between watching BBC live or watching later but not paying the licence - you are still enjoying the programmes. Can understand if you don't watch any BBC stuff at all.

garlicbollocks Tue 08-Jan-13 02:04:31

I've just stopped paying as I found out I don't have to - only watch re-runs because my concentration's shot and I have to keep rewinding.

I think it's unfair, though! I'm still watching BBC programming and, tbh, it's good value. If they sold advertising on the iplayer, it would make some kind of sense but the rule as it stands seems a bit daft.

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