To call your children "kids"?

(90 Posts)
VIX1980 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:06:22

I was in a shop i volunteer in yesterday morning helping out on the till when a family of 3 adults and 4 children came in.

the adults were paying no attention to the children, letting them pick everything up and throw the toys about on the floor trying to play with them. I noticed 1 of the boys (around 4-5) was eating a cream cake, as we dont allow any food in the shop but he had about 1 more bite left i just watched to make sure he wasnt putting it verywere as he was covered in cream all over his hands and on his coat. When he had the last bit in his mouth i looked over to the adults who locked in conversation about some curtains.

They were no more than 2 feet away from the till where i was so i said to them, is it k if i give him a baby wipe so he can clean his hands?, they ignored me, so i asked again moving closer, Is that your little boy, is it ok to give him a baby wipe, again i was ignored, i said excuse me are these your children? nothing still.

So i finally went over and said sorry to bother you are those your kids over there? I didnt even get time to finish my sentence before one of them screamed in my face not to call them kids, they are children, and with that she took a load of clothes of the rails threw them on the floor and stormed out the shop followed closely by the rest of them, then i watched through the window as the mother mouthed to me "ill have you".

I walked to the door and shouted over to her what are you going on about and she came over and had a go at me for calling her little kids "kids".

Would you be offended if someone called your children "kids"? I dont get it to be honest?

Tee2072 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:07:54

Loon! I call children kids all the time. No one has ever objected!

EuroShagmore Thu 03-Jan-13 11:08:16

What an extreme overreaction!

I don't object to the term "kids" or know anyone IRL who does, but I have seen on here that some MNers dislike it.

sleeplessinsuburbia Thu 03-Jan-13 11:08:26

What? She was crazy, let this one go!

Tailtwister Thu 03-Jan-13 11:09:22

No, I wouldn't have been offended. Judging from the overreaction from the mother, I suspect she was just using it to have a go at you. Very odd.

Barking. Just as well you never made it as far as asking her to hand over her cash.

Panzee Thu 03-Jan-13 11:10:08

Someone once told me (but I can't find anything to say its true) that 'kids' comes from a Middle English word meaning 'children'. S tell them that. grin

Sounds like a delightful family if they're being left to cause havoc in a shop.

teacherandguideleader Thu 03-Jan-13 11:10:28

My mum hates the word 'kids' - she always said I was her child, not her baby goat. However, I don't think she would have behaved in such a way! I myself use it all the time.

HDee Thu 03-Jan-13 11:11:18

I don't like the term 'kids' and never,ever refer to my children as kids.

VIX1980 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:11:28

Just wondered as my manager had been watching and listening and not doing anything about it but after pulled me aside and said i was wrong for calling them kids.

I still dont get why, guess its each to their own. I can think of far worse things i could have called them though grin

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey Thu 03-Jan-13 11:11:52

She was obviously barking.

VIX1980 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:13:06

hdee Can i ask why you feel so strongly about it? Not trying to cause an arguement by the way just genuinely interested as ive used it most of my life and never had a problem with it until yesterday so im interested to know why it causes such a reaction in some people?

KenLeeeeeeeInnaSantaHat Thu 03-Jan-13 11:13:12

I have encountered some who feel a bit cringey about likening a small child to a baby goat, but in my case that is a pretty accurate likening considering the mess they make & how much food they eat.

Regardless of the word "kids" though, her reaction was bizarre to say the least. She sounds delightful.

ouryve Thu 03-Jan-13 11:13:43

YANBU

"Stressed" mother is a very kind way of putting it. She sounds like a bit of a nightmare.

LouisWalshsChristmasCloset Thu 03-Jan-13 11:15:30

Jesus some people are fucking strange
call mine kids all the time allthough i know there are people who dont like the word but i dont really mix with anyone that uptight so dont know of any. Thankfully

amck5700 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:16:51

Doesn't bother me either - woman was clearly a lunatic. ven if you don't like the term, it is hardly abusive is it? If I was that way inclined, then if someone I saw regularly called them that and I didn't like it then I guess i would say something, but not if it was someone you are unlikley to see on a regular basis.

......and who in their right mind lets a child (kid grin) take food into a shop?

drownangels Thu 03-Jan-13 11:17:07

'Kids' has aways, to me, an affectionate way of calling children.

I really like it.

iseetinselandtantrums Thu 03-Jan-13 11:18:23

YANBU
I call small people 'the kids' sometimes when wanting to be less formal than 'the children'. Didn't know it was a MN transgression! blush

Ephiny Thu 03-Jan-13 11:19:20

I could maybe understand someone not liking the term...but screaming in your face, throwing merchandise around, 'I'll have you', etc confused. What a bizarre reaction.

nokidshere Thu 03-Jan-13 11:21:35

well i have lots of children at my home but my username gives a clue to how I feel about the word "kids".

However, it doesn't offend me if other people say it - its just not a term I use myself smile she sounds like a nutter to be honest!

Hulababy Thu 03-Jan-13 11:22:31

I don't really use the word "kids" myself, but not for any particularly dislike/reason. I do tend to say children/child.

However, I would never ever be offended by anyone else saying it. It is hardly offensive is it? Doesn't even have negative associations does it?

PavlovtheCat Thu 03-Jan-13 11:22:37

Loon. Simply put (not you).

cinnamonnut Thu 03-Jan-13 11:23:39

I don't really like the term kids much but it wouldn't bother me - what a bloody stupid woman - huge overreaction!

Autumnalis Thu 03-Jan-13 11:25:51

Was she a MN-er? smile Lots of threads on here about disliking 'kids'. Not middle class enough or something like that.

sudaname Thu 03-Jan-13 11:26:18

I would have said - 'I've been calling them children for last five minutes but you've been blatantly ignoring me, so l thought maybe you didnt recognise that term !'

[arsey cow, with ignoramuses me though]

grumblinalong Thu 03-Jan-13 11:26:36

Kids is fine. No need to take offence at all, in my home town many people use 'little shits' now THATS offensive. Your manager sounds a knobber too.

HollyBerryBush Thu 03-Jan-13 11:27:37

kid = baby goats.

Pilfette Thu 03-Jan-13 11:27:38

Meh - I call the teens (mine and the visiting ones) kids, as in "if you're hungry, kids, eat the cheap pizzas!" Seems more reasonable then calling teens "children". I'd also concur with the posters who said she was, simply put, a loon.

HecatePropolos Thu 03-Jan-13 11:28:10

good god. She's off her rocker.

I know some people are snobby about the word 'kids', but her behaviour was so ridiculous that all you can do is laugh at her, really.

Floggingmolly Thu 03-Jan-13 11:28:13

Well she refused to respond when you called them children confused
Maybe she has other choice names for them? She sounds the type...

amck5700 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:28:20

Think I'd have said "Oi, No fecking eating in the shop!!! Take your manky wee kid out!" grin

Autumnalis Thu 03-Jan-13 11:31:16

Being snobby about using the word 'kids' just shows lack of imagination. You are allowed to be creative with language. Although kids is so well established it's hardly original anymore.

Salmotrutta Thu 03-Jan-13 11:32:43

HDee - whether you like or dislike the term "kids" is beside the main point. The woman behaved appallingly and overreacted outrageously.

OP - call them bairns next time wink

Nanny0gg Thu 03-Jan-13 11:33:24

Um.
They weren't trying to cause a diversion at all were they?

<cynic>

HoneyDragon Thu 03-Jan-13 11:37:05

UWBU you should have referred to them as FuckNuggets. That would've got her attention earlier.

Autumnalis Thu 03-Jan-13 11:37:18

Ah, clever thinking there, Nanny0gg.

heidihole Thu 03-Jan-13 11:43:33

Kids are baby goats.

Children are baby humans

That lady was absolutely off her bloody rocker though! What an outrageous way to behave! shocked!

NolittleBuddahsorTigerMomshere Thu 03-Jan-13 11:44:33

Odd woman. Are you ok, OP? Did the SA say anything?

catgirl1976geesealaying Thu 03-Jan-13 11:46:32

I don't like the term much but only if I stop and think about it

I would bat an eyelid if someone else used it. I don't use it very often but have no problem with other people

"Kiddies" on the other hand makes me boak smile

MmeGuillotine Thu 03-Jan-13 11:48:24

I don't use the word 'kids' personally and would never refer to my own or anyone else's child that way (I have Aspergers so it is a bit informal for me), but I wouldn't lose my temper if someone else called my children that. In fact, I'm sure people have done but I just don't notice! smile

ChocHobNob Thu 03-Jan-13 11:48:52

I dont mind the term kids. I also call mine Monkeys, Monsters, Blighters etc so comparing them to baby goats isn't a problem. What an over the top reaction from the woman. Can't help but think she may have been a MN'er, you should have offered her "kids" a greggs sausage roll and a fruit shoot as well to check wink

Crinkle77 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:49:14

Your manager sounds unreasonable for standing there and not doing anything then blaming you for her very unreasonable behaviour

Sugarice Thu 03-Jan-13 11:49:40

The woman in question was clearly barking and a loon all rolled up in one bundle of idiot!

I'd say you had a lucky escape that she didn't chin you by the sound of her!

By the way, I'd find another shop to volunteer in if that's the back up you got from your Manager, she was useless!

Crinkle77 Thu 03-Jan-13 11:50:33

And if I were you I would no longer volunteer at that shop

QuickQuickSleigh Thu 03-Jan-13 11:51:53

They were shoplifting.

Salmotrutta Thu 03-Jan-13 11:53:59

Oh I missed the bit about your manager!

And I think maybe NannyOgg is onto something!,

firawla Thu 03-Jan-13 11:56:22

I always call mine kids, children seems quite formal for every day use? anyway the woman was out of order and very strange to react like that

CaHoHoHootz Thu 03-Jan-13 11:58:26

Ignore the loony lady. This was nothing to do with you calling her kids 'kids'. I know it must have been upsetting for you but you did nothing wrong at all. In fact you were very restrained. She was nasty and stupid.

There is nothing wrong with the term kids.

diddl Thu 03-Jan-13 11:59:20

I loathe it tbh.

So ywbu to call my children Kids now that you knowwink

VIX1980 Thu 03-Jan-13 12:08:21

nannyogg That would have been my first guess usually considering the area where the shop is, But no, she is a regular customer, never had a problem with her before, shes always, if anything, been really quiet.

Luckily i dont have to go back there anyway as i left in may to have my ds, just went in for an hour ot 2 to help them out covering dinner hours etc and catch up with some old friends, and yes the manager is a bit strange also, Im all for the customer is always right but not when she launching clothes across the shop!

I don't use 'kids' but I do call mine "chilblains" (Brian Conley sketch) grin

diddl Thu 03-Jan-13 12:18:48

She absolutely overreacted but since I don´t like it, I´d never call other people´s children "kids".

And tbh I´d certainly have avoided it in your situation even if I didn´t mind it.

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights Thu 03-Jan-13 12:19:04

I have a family friend who hates the term 'kids' - she blathers on about them not being baby goats... but she would be FAR more disgusted by that womans tantrum!

Manager sounds barking too!

Thank god you don't have to go back!!

EllenParsons Thu 03-Jan-13 12:23:04

I don't see anything wrong with kids and even if she doesn't like it that is one huge and inappropriate over reaction! She sounds crazy. Can't believe your manager told you off either.

LadySybilPussPolham Thu 03-Jan-13 12:35:28

Definitely on the rob. That makes complete sense of her actions

LAlady Thu 03-Jan-13 12:40:05

I hate the word kids and never use it. I would only use it to describe baby goats. However, the reaction sounds extreme to say the least.

popcornpaws Thu 03-Jan-13 12:40:29

She sounds off her head to be fair, however, I also don't like the term kids and would never use it.

Ephiny Thu 03-Jan-13 12:46:02

Creating a diversion for shoplifting purposes is the only 'reasonable' explanation I can think of tbh.

Even people who really hate the term surely don't react like that (screaming, threatening, throwing stuff around) when they hear it! I can't believe in that as a genuine/spontaneous reaction.

BabysPointlessPocket Thu 03-Jan-13 12:58:25

We call ours dustbin lids grin

Ywnbu
She was out of order.

WhoWhatWhereWhen Thu 03-Jan-13 13:04:22

Ephiny stole the words out of my mouth

LaCiccolina Thu 03-Jan-13 14:00:40

I'm with u op, baffled by this woman's and some here's views to an innocuous word. Very strange.

skratta Thu 03-Jan-13 14:03:51

Oh, I always use 'kids'. When I'm not just talking spontaneously, then I won't, so on here I usually will write 'children' for instance (although sometimes I still write kids). I don't really know why though. blush

I don't know why she'd be so angry, a complete overreaction and I hope you told the person who owned the charity shop (I'm guessing its a charity shop btw, because you said you volunteer?), in case they can do something about it.

Quenelle Thu 03-Jan-13 14:03:58

I don't think it would have mattered how you referred to her children. Don't give it another thought. Definitely keep an eye on them if they ever come in your shop again though.

chocoluvva Thu 03-Jan-13 14:04:07

I call my children 'kids'.
Just seems less formal than 'children' especially now they're teenagers.

i always tell this story -

i was working with a community group many years ago and i used the term kids

one member of the group went off on one and lectured me for approx 20 mins on what a derogatory term it was

i smiled sweetly and took my 5k funding to another group

(rest of group were mortified but not enough to speak up in front of him, they all apologised at the end)

elizaregina Thu 03-Jan-13 14:09:05

Op I have been grin at your description, espeically

" then i watched through the window as the mother mouthed to me "ill have you"."

It sounds more like a French and Saunders sketch or something.

I really dont like the word kids myself - it slips out occasionally and feels very odd, however I am astounded by thier reaction...you poor thing!

I agree with others - they may have been on the rob...

Fakebook Thu 03-Jan-13 14:10:12

Kids, kiddies, lambs, anklebiters, rugrats, bairns, sprogs, sprouts, babes, cubs and a whole lot more are just other words for children. I don't really get all worked up by the word "kid". The woman was obviously a weirdo.

PanickingIdiot Thu 03-Jan-13 14:14:39

Good grief!

I've heard/read/seen people routinely refer to their own children as sprog, brat and spawn and nobody seems to bat an eyelid. "Kid" has been a perfectly acceptable synonym to "child" for as long as I remember. I wonder how many people (native English-speakers) even know its original meaning.

I certainly prefer it to the DC nonsense that goes on here.

squoosh Thu 03-Jan-13 14:50:53

Anyone who objects to the term 'kids' is completely bizarre and ridiculous.

That woman's behaviour went beyond bizarre and ridiculous.

EmpressMaud Thu 03-Jan-13 14:52:43

I wouldn't use the term 'kids' personally, but I certainly wouldn't object to others using it.

Yanbu.

tittytittyhanghang Thu 03-Jan-13 14:56:24

I wonder is the mother was a mner who was professional offended on behalf of goats? I say mner because I have never in rl met anyone who batted an eyelid at the word kid.

Also on checking the oxford dictionary interesting to see what the first entry is smile

oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/kid?q=kid

GrumpySod Thu 03-Jan-13 14:57:16

HA! Bunch of hypocrites most you lot. I have been at sharp end of snippy remarks on MN for referring to "kids". Even if Prince Charles himself uses the word on occasion to refer to his own.

I think QuickQuick & Ephiny have it right, the family were up to something sneaky & didn't like any confrontation no matter how mild. Just feel sorry for them, it's the best you can get out of what happened.

"Kids" is a bit too nice for my lot. Blood sucking whinging toerags would be much more accurate.

LuluMai Thu 03-Jan-13 14:59:36

They were probably trying to nick stuff and tried to divert your attention by throwing a strop.

The term kid has been a colloquial expression for a young person since the 1500s, it would never occur to me that someone might find it offensive. I use it all the time, it sounds friendly and less formal than children. The woman was slightly odd op.

MrsMelons Thu 03-Jan-13 16:39:44

She is crazy - ridiculous!

Aniseeda Thu 03-Jan-13 17:54:54

She was an unpleasant character who would have thrown a wobbly whatever you said.

I don't especially like the term 'kids' and avoid using it myself but it doesn't offend me if others use it and I'd certainly never behave like that even if someone said 'are those your filthy little urchins messing up my shop?!'

letsgomaths Thu 03-Jan-13 18:13:42

I would have thought that by now the word "kids" is almost commonplace, and I bet that some would be surprised to learn that it means "baby goats" as well!

manticlimactic Thu 03-Jan-13 18:14:19

I'd have said if you don't want me calling them kids then make sure they're not behaving like animals.

letsgomaths Thu 03-Jan-13 18:14:24

By commonplace I don't mean more so than "children" though.

redexpat Thu 03-Jan-13 18:43:46

Why on earth would your manager think that YOU were being unreasonable?! confused

MammaTJ Thu 03-Jan-13 18:48:06

YANBU but my DS would have told you off, same as he does me. 'I am not a baby goat you know, I am a child! ' He is 6.

LegoAcupuncture Thu 03-Jan-13 18:56:56

You should have shouted back "what's for your goat?"

What a complete overreaction.

Personally I don't mind the term kids, would rather people used that to refer to my kids than the names that go around in my head.

marjproops Thu 03-Jan-13 18:59:10

Do you have cctv in your shop? If she reacted like that to you I wonder how she treats her KIDS at home? and that was vandalism in your shop wasnt it? she really sounds barking.

and agree with sudaname, you'd said 'children' enough times.

wonder what SHE calls them then?

I use kids all the time, except on here (MN has some weird hangups, but it's part of its charm)

Woman was completely out of order and you were far more restrained than I would have been in the same situation.

YouOldTinsellySlag Thu 03-Jan-13 19:49:31

Origin of KID

Middle English kide, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse kith kid
First Known Use: 13th century.

Goats are also known as kids but many words in the English Language have more than one meaning, or began differently and merged as the same word..

I am not bothered by the use of the word kid ( I cringe at Bubs or kiddies though) and think there is no reason for it to bother anyone. As far as I'm aware, no child or offspring has ever ended up in therapy over being called a name that ALSO means a baby goat, not exclusively means baby goat.

Anyway OP, the woman was unreasonable for letting her child eat in the shop, ignoring you when you politely addressed her three times, and for launching at you for an innocent remark.

Your manager is also unreasonable. Being afraid to use the word kids for fear of upsetting someone really is a step too far in the world of being politically correct. Carry on as you were.

TarkaTheOtter Thu 03-Jan-13 20:17:22

Are some people genuinely offended by "kids" instead of " children"? Wow.

YouOldTinsellySlag Fri 04-Jan-13 09:43:41

I know Tarka. Mumsnet has really shocked me over the last few months.

roastednut Fri 04-Jan-13 12:08:10

No-one on here who has said they don't like the word has actually said why. I'm totally baffled why anyone would be offended. Could someone explain? Or is it just because its 'informal'. Odd.

squoosh Fri 04-Jan-13 12:21:34

It blows my mind too.

The same people probably don't approve of 'Hi' as a greeting.

MmeGuillotine Fri 04-Jan-13 12:45:11

I explained further up the thread but I don't say 'kids' because I have Aspergers and it's just too informal for me to use. I also don't say 'hi' by the way, for the same reasons.

I don't fly off the handle if someone else uses them though. I mostly don't even notice. I just don't use them personally.

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