to think sleeping with open windows in January is only Right And Proper?

(260 Posts)
RevoltingPeasant Tue 01-Jan-13 22:18:28

Seriously, surely this is normal? DH just made his 'pained face' when I popped up to air the bedroom prior to retiring. Over Christmas I opened all the windows in my mum's and PILs' insanely overheated windows before going to sleep. I almost always have open windows to get fresh air whilst we sleep.

I don't know how anyone can sleep in a stuffy room with the windows shut all day and all night! DH keeps saying 'But it's December'. Apart from the fact that it's now January, isn't he BU??

gimmecakeandcandy Tue 01-Jan-13 22:20:02

No he isn't - but neither are you. Different strokes and all that!

bellechristmas Tue 01-Jan-13 22:22:57

YANBU, of course you should open a window.

JeezyOrangePips Tue 01-Jan-13 22:23:13

I keep my windows closed - but I have an airsource heatpump for heating, that circulates 'pre-warmed fresh air' - and opening the windows makes a huge difference to the cost of the heating, as the warm air is what powers the heating.

It's not normal for anyone in the scheme I live in, for that reason, and my previous house was so draughty I never needed the windows open!

topbannana Tue 01-Jan-13 22:23:26

He is BU but is probably in the majority.
DH also does the pained expression then wraps himself up with only one nostril showing in the face of such torment. I thrash about and get hot and bothered when the windows are shut whatever the weather. I have got round his diva-like tendancies by cunningly leaving the window on the latch and then opening it when he drops off if it is still too hot.
You are quite correct, it IS Right and Proper smile

emsyj Tue 01-Jan-13 22:23:46

I can't sleep without a window open either - during the bad snowy winters over the last few years, when it's been -16 outside, I've had a huge duvet and blankets on the bed and the window flung open. I love a cold, fresh bedroom and my nose blocks up without a flow of fresh air. Fortunately DH agrees with me! grin

MousyMouse Tue 01-Jan-13 22:23:47

I have to open the bedroom windows for a bit before going to bed. feel like I'm suffocating otherwise. and it helps with condensation
staying somewhere where we have to share a room with the dc is hell because they usually wake when we try to open windows...

EuphemiaInExcelsis Tue 01-Jan-13 22:24:31

I'd rather an airy room than a stuffy one. I can't sleep at my parents', where they have the heating on all day, doors shut to keep the dog out, and locked windows. ("The insurance says you're only allowed one window open upstairs, for ventilation." hmm)

At least if the air is a bit chilly, you can get warm under the duvet/with warmer jammies/with an electric blanket.

ebersneezer Tue 01-Jan-13 22:24:47

It's been really warm at night for the last week, Yanbu.

Rhubarbgarden Tue 01-Jan-13 22:26:17

Yanbu. The windows in my bedroom in the new house don't open <dramatic gasping for breath emoticon>. I have to have the ensuite windows open instead with the door open so the breeze can get in.

You are right he is wrong

MikeLitorisHasChristmasLights Tue 01-Jan-13 22:26:41


Its lovely to have a room nice and chilly whilst tucked up warm in bed.

Thats what im doing now, nice toasty in bed with elec foot warmer on. Window open so the tip of my nose is slightly cold.

Lovely jubley as my gramp would say.

carabos Tue 01-Jan-13 22:26:51

I'm in Switzerland up a snowy mountain. It's -5 and we are in bed with the window open. YANBU.

Sunshinenow Tue 01-Jan-13 22:27:03

Window open, two duvets and an electric blanket for me.

I like the contrast. And I like the rest of the house warm!

JeezyOrangePips Tue 01-Jan-13 22:27:14

Haha, surely that depends on where you live ebersneezer! It certainly hasn't been very warm here. We had lots of warnings this morning about black ice on the roads.

HoHoHoNoYouDont Tue 01-Jan-13 22:27:30

I love a cold bedroom!

NoodieRoodie Tue 01-Jan-13 22:27:55


No heating in the bedroom and window open all year round here!

When it get cold we have hot water bottles and when it gets really cold we put the patchwork quilt on!

DH learnt really quickly when he moved in (I bought him his own hot water bottle!!)

JugsMcGee Tue 01-Jan-13 22:28:30

I love a good cold bedroom to sleep in. I much prefer snuggling under the duvet than laying on top of the covers in a roasting room.

hopenglory Tue 01-Jan-13 22:28:55

Always have the windows open (and a hot water bottle in the bed)

LeChatRouge Tue 01-Jan-13 22:32:47

Windows open here too. Wrapped up all snuggly with duvet, fur throw and hot water bottle on toes.

euphemia your parents having locked windows makes me nervous, what would happen in a fire?

I hate hot water bottles and electric blankets. I like to get into a cold bed and the window open all year round. Also can't wear socks or pyjamas to bed. grin

GreatCongas Tue 01-Jan-13 22:35:13

Do t need an open window here. Our bedroom is ducking freezing

soontobeburns Tue 01-Jan-13 22:35:26

Yep YANBU my windows are also open and heat off. I also slept last nighy with the fan on it was so warm.

(My room is over the main heating pipe so I am always boiling and naked

Butkin Tue 01-Jan-13 22:35:51

Lived in our house since 2000 and have never opened our bedroom window once. Not even sure where I've put the key for their lock. Hate cold and draughts of any description. Snug is the way to go...

BellaVita Tue 01-Jan-13 22:36:21

Window open here too. Hate hot rooms.

EuphemiaInExcelsis Tue 01-Jan-13 22:38:02

euphemia your parents having locked windows makes me nervous, what would happen in a fire?

Lord knows, but in my parents' view, at least they wouldn't get burgled again. hmm

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Loshad Tue 01-Jan-13 22:39:59

open window here as well, if i thik DH will complain because it is too cold outside i do it after he is asleep. Never wakes him up hmm at the time or later that night.

Hate hot hotels rooms where the window only opens half an inch too.

Longdistance Tue 01-Jan-13 22:40:33

My mil opens all the windows and doors. I find it a tad annoying, as it can get bloody freezing, and then I have to find a coat to wear. She used to do it at our house when we lived in the UK, she can't do it to us when she visits us in Oz, or she'll let in all the creepy crawlies <shudders>

JustAHolyFool Tue 01-Jan-13 22:40:36

Windows have to be open, anything else makes me feel bleh.

I must have the window open all night, even in freezing weather.

Otherwise the room smells like a skunk's armpit in the morning. (Because of DH, I hasten to add, not me, I'm a little flower)

He would rather it was warm, no matter how stuffy it gets.

However, I win. grin

RevoltingPeasant Tue 01-Jan-13 22:42:10

Rhubarb I am having a panic attack on your behalf for now, for real. How in hell do you manage with non-opening windows? For me that is like being in a car underwater.

I am sure that made you feel loads better wink

AlwaysReadyForABlether Tue 01-Jan-13 22:44:15

Always have the window open - unless it is really stormy and the noise is keeping me awake. Hate being too hot in bed. Love being able to snuggle down with just the fresh air on my face.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 01-Jan-13 22:45:00

Oh ho! - DH says 'It is because you MN lot don't understand our windows'. Natch! We are not talking little windows at the top, but full-pane windows iyswim.

I say it makes no difference.

HollyBerryBush Tue 01-Jan-13 22:45:21

YANBU - I dont care if its blowing a hooley, lashing it down, snowing, hailing - windows are always wide open .... I cannot abide stuffy, over heated houses.

EuroShagmore Tue 01-Jan-13 22:45:34

Lots of weirdy fresh air brigade on this thread. In my view, we have spent millenia developing well-insulated housing and heating so that we do not have to suffer sleeping in freezing cold houses. Why you would want to is beyond me.

CoteDAzur Tue 01-Jan-13 22:46:27

You people are crazy.

Heat your homes less if they feel too hot.

MrsFlibble Tue 01-Jan-13 22:46:30

I sleep with my window open all night, i cant bare sleeping in a hot bedroom.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 01-Jan-13 22:48:03

Cote DH was not allowed to have the heating on till end of the first week in Nov. He is very hard done by, and would like to be adopted by a more sympathetic wife.

MrsFlibble Tue 01-Jan-13 22:50:02

Cote I can have my heating off for days but my bedroom is always hot, its not even south facing.

emsyj Tue 01-Jan-13 22:51:18

We don't have the radiator switched on in our bedroom either - so doubly chilled!

usualsuspect3 Tue 01-Jan-13 22:52:11

sometimes I open the window and sometimes I have it closed.There are no rules.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Tue 01-Jan-13 22:54:06

I have to have the window open else I feel that I'm suffocating. Also have to sleep nearest to the window.

usualsuspect3 Tue 01-Jan-13 22:54:21

How can you tell another adult what they are allowed to do?

hiddenhome Tue 01-Jan-13 22:55:19

We don't use the heating and we still open the windows grin

You can never have too much money or too much fresh air imo.

Mrsfluff Tue 01-Jan-13 22:57:20

Window open here to, bedroom lovely and chilly grin We both sleep naked as well - can't abide being hot and stuffy in bed. To the poster that hasn't opened their Windows since 2000, don't you roast in the summer?

nurseneedshelp Tue 01-Jan-13 22:57:33

Open them windows! Its so unhealthy breathing in that same shitty air all the time and the germs breed like crazy when its hot and stuffy!

itsmineitsmine Tue 01-Jan-13 22:57:44

I air my house for half an hour a day but keep them shut otherwise.

Our windows are massive and open outwards. We are saving up for window locks to lock tnem open but unattended, open, upstairs windows are an absolute no-no for us in a house with small children (and i consider us being fast asleep to constitute the windows being unattended)

everlong Tue 01-Jan-13 22:58:55

I'm with you 100% op.
We love sleeping in the cold < freaks > but we had an attempted robbery through our open bedroom window the other year and it freaked us out.

So now we have it open on a restrictor. Bummer.

hopenglory Tue 01-Jan-13 23:00:09

We don't have any heating upstairs and still have the (big) windows open

BelleDameSousMistletoe Tue 01-Jan-13 23:00:23


Can only assume you didn't all have freezing bedrooms (ice on inside of bloody windows) as children. A bit of air is nice, no-one likes stuffy, but sleeping with open windows in winter? No bloody thank you.

usualsuspect3 Tue 01-Jan-13 23:00:23

my house backs onto a busy road,so the air is not exactly fresh.

sandyballs Tue 01-Jan-13 23:00:50

Would love to do some sort of survey on this. Do the window openers get less bugs and illness than the non window openers? Are they generally more robust?

I am always turning down our heating and flinging open windows. Just spent afternoon in our lovely neighbours house but I felt stifled, couldn't touch the radiators as they were red hot, no windows open. They seem to get every. If going.

sandyballs Tue 01-Jan-13 23:01:15

Every bug going!!

ShatnersBassoon Tue 01-Jan-13 23:01:49

YANBU at all. The Christmas diet dictates the need for open windows, tis common sense.

DialsMavis Tue 01-Jan-13 23:02:00

My bedroom windows do not open, but they don't close properly either? so it's always breezy in here wink

RevoltingPeasant Tue 01-Jan-13 23:03:28

Hmm I am rarely ill but then I do work with young people, who are famously infectious.

usual I dictate heating, but God help me if I get in the kitchen when DH is cooking......... We all have our spheres of influence.

xameliax Tue 01-Jan-13 23:04:13

prior to retiring

You sound well posh grin

RevoltingPeasant Tue 01-Jan-13 23:04:50

Shatners absolutely - I don't normally eat meat but I did have turkey at Xmas to make life easier for everyone and I have never been so bastarding hot in my whole life!! DH calls it 'meat-sweats' - nice, eh......

inadreamworld Tue 01-Jan-13 23:04:59

Luckily DH and I agree on window open (locked open not open so random people can climb in!) at night. My parents house is v stuffy with closed windows and high central heating and gives me a headache. When I was young and lived with them I used to open my window wide at night and they didn't like it.

GreenShadow Tue 01-Jan-13 23:05:08

Windows closed on all but the very hottest nights here. Heating on in the evening.

HATE being cold at night - waking up with a cold nose is horrible and if my feet are cold, genuinely can't sleep. Don't feel the air is stuffy.

Luckily DH thinks the same - genuinely don't think I could marry someone who needed windows open at night.

GreenShadow Tue 01-Jan-13 23:06:00

We also don't get ill, despite our 'fetid' air.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 01-Jan-13 23:06:06

xame Oh absolutely, I would never do anything so vulgar as go to bed.

I do live in a Regency romance novel, as you may have guessed from my other posts....


inadreamworld Tue 01-Jan-13 23:06:26

GreenShadow shows we are all different. We are both lucky we married someone who agrees with us on the window

MousyMouse Tue 01-Jan-13 23:07:43

we don't sleep with windows open. but a good airing before retiring to bed is essential.
some of you 'non-airers' must have bkack mouldy walls...

quoteunquote Tue 01-Jan-13 23:07:59


I cannot stand sleeping with the window shut.

chris481 Tue 01-Jan-13 23:08:33

I close all windows in Autumn and open them again the following Spring.

I have a well-insulated flat, heating is off at night. I don't understand how it is possible to be to hot on a winter night, unless you only have the heating on at night, or turn up the thermostat before you go to bed. Maybe you need a thinner duvet, I use a summer one all year round.

My flat never gets stuffy.

We breathe slower when asleep, so there should be less need for an open window at night than during the day.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Tue 01-Jan-13 23:19:14

I somehow manage the feat of having ice cold feet (unless I use a wheat bag) along with boiling the rest of myself. No heating on and window open. If my heat would distribute itself evenly I would be fine.

ihearsounds Tue 01-Jan-13 23:20:33

I have to have the window open. If not I get very hot, almost feverish. It takes several hours to cool down, have been out in the snow in shirts and vest top in desperation to cool. Dreading menopause lol.
Hospital I have to get a private room so I can get a fan in there or open the windows. Cannot do it on ward (although the heat of hospitals, lack of opening windows no wonder you pick up various germs during your stay).
Hotels and b&b's I have spent hours phoning/emailing to find out if windows open properly or if they have aircon.

We always sleep with our window open, I like the bedroom to be freezing! We also have a thin summer duvet all year round.

NaokHoHoHo Tue 01-Jan-13 23:42:18

I air our bedroom every day - but not while I'm in there, why would I want to do that?! I get cold enough at night as it is without opening the window.

Windows get opened as soon as I'm washed and dressed, and shut again some time early evening - or before then if the rest of the house feels drafty and/or it's pissing it down. House gets plenty of fresh air that way so it doesn't go stuffy or mouldy, but I don't freeze my tits off in bed.

Loshad Tue 01-Jan-13 23:53:28

Cote, the house is not that warm. Think old draughty house with heating off since 6pm, though we do still have the fire lit in the sitting room. just can't stand stuffy, or too hot!.

sudaname Tue 01-Jan-13 23:54:38

<applies to adopt Revoltingpeasants poor hard done by DH and let him have heating on from September and windows shut all night and be snug as a a bug with lovely feather bedspread and hot water bottles aplenty. As a fellow 'cold arse' l would be the ideal sympathiser. smile>

<but then remembers the hot flushes, like this > angry that she gets imbetween being a cold arse where she leaps out of bed, throws all bedding on floor, flings all windows wide open whether sub zero or not, then wakes whole house up by running a shower, before reversing whole process ten minutes later when usual cold arse status has returned.>

Thinking about it , better leave it. At least he knows where he is with you Revolting freezing.


I'm with Naokhohoho, I air all the rooms during the day to get "a change of air" as my granny said, but windows get closed here at dusk (currently 430pm ish as north scotland) before the heating comes on for the evening. Never feel too hot or stuffy at night with windows shut. I am in a new build so each window has these little "vents" at the top,which let a little air in if you want.


I air my house for half an hour a day but keep them shut otherwise.Our windows are massive and open outwards. We are saving up for window locks to lock tnem open but unattended, open, upstairs windows are an absolute no-no for us in a house with small children (and i consider us being fast asleep to constitute the windows being unattended)

I give you the jackloc

I open mine for a couple of hours during the day, close them at night in the winter.

marzipanpig Wed 02-Jan-13 00:10:49

Cold room, hot partner.


YABU I hate being cold! Would much rather be too hot than too cold. I've always been like that, even before my back fucked up, now being cold causes my back to seize up as well as being generally unpleasant

brighthair Wed 02-Jan-13 00:16:58

Ground floor here sad so windows on latch but locked. I keep the air vent open too. Bedroom hovers around 14c but I love it. If I sleep with heating on I feel all stuffy when I wake up

Imabadmum Wed 02-Jan-13 00:32:32

Bedroom window wide open all night, and we live in a bungalow. I don't worry about randoms climbing in, I mean honestly have you ever tried to climb in through an open window through picture frames and ornaments without alerting the sleeping inhabitants? I sleep at night, I'm not comatose!

Could not sleep with the window shut, hate staying in stuffy hotels.

louisianablue2000 Wed 02-Jan-13 00:48:26

Yes to open windows. Glad to know I'm normal for MN, I swear I'm the only person on the street who opens windows between September and July.

DrCoconut Wed 02-Jan-13 00:49:31

We both like the window open. But our room gets very very cold as a result. Our house is a "cold" house and very difficult to keep warm.

ComposHat Wed 02-Jan-13 00:55:11

Downstairs flat in a rough as fuck area, if the window was open, it would be broken into again.

Not lived there during the summer but I fear the bedroom will be sweltering at night.

misterwife Wed 02-Jan-13 01:25:04

Windows should be open overnight, otherwise in the morning the room might be overrun with condensation (which certainly happened in our flat).

If it's really, really cold outside I might leave them closed though.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Wed 02-Jan-13 01:44:45

You shower of weirdos!

I am a lizard. The room needs to be warm, warm, warm. You couldn't pay me enough to open the window at night winter or summer unless there was a serious 30*+ heatwave.

Also I did it occasionally as a child and one time a spider crawled in and laid its eggs Charlottes's Web-style in my curtain and I didn't realise until they hatched and my mum had to Hoover all the creepy baby spiders up. THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!

TapirAroundTheChristmasTree Wed 02-Jan-13 01:47:18

I have the upstairs windows open during the day, but close them at night. We pay a lot of money to keep the house warm - I'm not paying to heat the whole outdoors too.

Only right and proper if you are a Polar bear. I will open them to air the house then close them and warm the place up, no heat or very low heat at night.

I sleep snuggled up to DH, with a cat curled into my back. If we didn't have a window open I'd overheat and end up with a migraine.


piprabbit Wed 02-Jan-13 01:52:49

If I sleep in a room with the windows shut, I wake up feeling like I have a hangover.

MrRected Wed 02-Jan-13 02:04:26

Just curious (it's totally not related to me as I live in a sub-tropical climate), but if you leave your windows open overnight, do you leave your heating on the timer?

We have the opposite problem. It's so hot and there are so many mossies around in the summer months that we have to sleep with the windows closed and the AC on. I definitely leave the windoes open in the winter though (given it rarely gets below 20 degrees in the day, it's no problem though grin).

nillynoon Wed 02-Jan-13 02:07:17

Window open here too - only way to get temp correct for baby, too hot otherwise! And with dh' s darting during the night, we'd be gassed if they weren't

WandaDoff Wed 02-Jan-13 02:26:06

Windows open, regardless of the season.

DP doesn't agree, so sometimes I have to sneak them open in the night.

I win anyway grin

Thalassocracy Wed 02-Jan-13 02:54:21

I am the same, I have to have the windows open, no matter how cold. Central heated air makes me cough up a lung no matter how cold it is outside.

If I have a lie in I can always tell if the heating has been on because I feel like I can't breathe sad.

Inhalers have made it slightly better though, thankfully.

curiousuze Wed 02-Jan-13 03:29:01

I open windows during the day and close them at night - I hate being cold or being in a cold room. I grew up in north of Scotland and was miserable and freezing for first 30 years of my life until I moved to blissful warm and stuffy London, hurray! I can't handle Scottish winters at all now, and still needed an electric blanket at my dad's house in May. Brrr.

echt Wed 02-Jan-13 05:13:31

I have the sliding doors open and the fly screen shut at the moment (Australia), and the dog and cat beg to be let in to sleep in the draught.

Tomorrow will be 36 and therefore vile; not even the open doors and windows will make a breeze; so aircon beckons, which frightens our wussy animals.

I like a warm room to dress and read in, but it must be cool for sleep.

CaptChaos Wed 02-Jan-13 05:24:47

I can't sleep without a window open, even when it was -25 I had one open. I spent every holiday in a house with no central heating, ice on the insides of windows, no double/secondary glazing the whole nine yards. If I was cold, I had a hot water bottle and an eiderdown.

I cannot sleep if it feels stuffy and having hot feet wakes me up.

TheSloppelganger Wed 02-Jan-13 05:32:32

Windows open during winter? I'm pretty sure DH would leave home - he gets fretful about cold air getting in at him if the cats spend more than 20 seconds hovering and deciding to go out of the back door or not, so windows open at night would be a definite no-go - I'm not bothered either way really, so I let DH have his greenhouse-style living conditions, delicate wee flower that he is.

Actually, I'm not even sure if my windows open, I've lived in this house for 2 years and I've never bothered to open them haven't washed them in that time either.

<successfully horrifies more than half of MN>

mathanxiety Wed 02-Jan-13 05:40:05

I keep the heating around 14-16 degrees by day but if there is even a hint of any air that is less than frigid outside I like to open the windows in the morning to air the place out. I hate stuffiness and stuffy smells. I turn the heat down for the night as I like it cool for sleeping.

Tee2072Thing Wed 02-Jan-13 06:54:09

You're all insane and obviously have never lived in a city with traffic outside your window 24/7/365 and/or had noisy neighbours.

Also, my house is not hermetically sealed. Even with the windows closed, the air does not get stale.

Do you all live in 1264? Because it's 2013 and it's time to shut the window!

And I cannot believe you 'don't let' your husband turn on the heat or close the window. Apparently he has no spine and you walk all over him. I don't care if the kitchen is 'his domain'. The whole house is his just as it's yours. So much for compromise in a marriage.

So glad I don't live with any of you as my parents.

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 07:06:00

Another vote for windows open in bedroom, always. I like the rest of the house warm though

InNeedOfBrandy Wed 02-Jan-13 07:13:38

I live in a ground floor flat, my bedroom window is spitting distance away from a bus stop no way could I sleep with the windows open.

I do open them every morning, that's all windows not just bedrooms and dc bedroom window is open till I go to bed as their room seems stuffy all the time.

I don't like going to bed cold I like fresh air but not at night when I'm in bed. Why would you want to be cold for?

lyndie Wed 02-Jan-13 07:27:15

It must be only in very quiet areas you could keep the window open at night!

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 07:35:43

I live in a ghetto! I think you just get used to the noises

PigletJohn Wed 02-Jan-13 07:37:22

YABU and your poor DH has my sympathy.

You should buy him a dual-control kingsize electric blanket before he digs a hole under the patio.

Meglet Wed 02-Jan-13 07:49:47


I can only sleep in a hot room, usually keep it at 22 overnight. Fleece + thermal PJ's and mahoosive winter duvet. Even cool air against my face wakes me up and keeps me up for ages. Yes, I'm a lightweight.

ledkr Wed 02-Jan-13 07:54:48

How has this issue just arisen? Did you marry yesterday?

lottiegarbanzo Wed 02-Jan-13 08:01:07

We don't need to open windows to get a cool, well ventilated house (Edwardian single glazing achieves that) and have to put extra heating on to keep dd's room at 16c at night. Doing something that would raise our heating bills further, as air flow means our room is not isolated, is not a choice I'm going to make.

Onetwothreeoops Wed 02-Jan-13 08:13:42

How do you lot makes yourselves get out of bed in the morning? I would hate to get up in a freezing room and go from snugly warm to shivery in a few seconds. That's why my windows stay shut that and my fear of a break in

Bunbaker Wed 02-Jan-13 08:20:27

I always open the bedroom windows first thing in the morning to air them. Also we never sleep with the bedroom door closed unless we have guests, or with the heating on overnight unless it is exceptionally cold (then we would only have it ticking over to prevent the pipes from freezing)

I can't sleep with the windows open as the noise keeps me awake and at this time of year it is just too cold.

So I don't understand why everyone else's bedroom is hot and stuffy.

EightToSixer Wed 02-Jan-13 08:44:07

YANBU.i throw open the big windows every night even in snow, do not heat bedroom, have a summer duvet all year etc. I get boiling at night and panic about not having fresh air whilst sleeping. I wondered whether this is because I have asthma? Do the rest of you with open windows have asthma too?
In the summer I also need a fan directed right at me so I can feel like I can breathe.

DH has resigned himself to this way of living but has been caught in the act of closing the windows a fraction before and paid the price. :-D

I dread to think what I'll be like when I hit menopause, I already get hot and sweaty far too easily.

My neighbours always comment that we sleep with windows open but are glad we do as I preventing two car thefts by hearing people fiddling with locks and also regularly yell at drunk people to move along rather than chat outside our house (we live in a quiet area and I'm a light sleeper so I don't think I'd cope anywhere noisier or I'd be awake all the time).

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Wed 02-Jan-13 08:52:11

Heating comes on half an hour before we get up and I. Warm my clothes on the radiator!

YANBU. We have to have our bedroom window open overnight or we wake up feeling stuffy and fuzzy.

Before we get in bed one or other of us checks if the window is open.

we have a medium tog duvet on, an electric under blanket if we are very chilly, and we sleep starkers. The heating also goes off on timer about 8.30/9pm, and comes on 15 minutes before we get up at 5.45.

We don't freeze. grin

AlwaysWantingMore Wed 02-Jan-13 08:59:58

If you are a paid up member of the fresh air brigade look away now, what you are about to see may horrify you.

During the winter, we not only don't open the windows. We don't even open the shutters. And sometimes not even the curtains.


CharlotteBronteSaurus Wed 02-Jan-13 09:09:08

i would love to join you in the fresh air brigade, but an unhealthy paranoia about home security runs through DH's family, and he can't sleep with open windows for worrying. so i have to run up and open a window an hour before bed, which he shuts later.

OhDearNigel Wed 02-Jan-13 09:19:56

Why do people who like to be cold feel as if they have some sort of moral superiority over those that like to be warm ? ?

And all of you that have your windows open and the heating on, you do realise that your heating costs are going literally out of the window ?

lottiegarbanzo Wed 02-Jan-13 09:31:24

Do the window openers have heating on at night? That hadn't occurred to me.

We would never have heating on overnight, except now dd is here, when it's very cold I set it for an hour from 2am to stop her room dropping to 13 or 14c.

Thing is, having windows open would mean the heating that comes on for a bit in the morning would not be so effective, so we'd either have to put it on for longer or have a colder house during the day.

No we don't have the heating on at night.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 09:44:35

I grew up in a freezing cold house with no heating, I'm not about to repeat that as an adult.

I don't have the heating on overnight, but if it's cold I shut the window.

No, no heating on from 8.30/9 pm til 5.45/6am

Piemother Wed 02-Jan-13 12:51:54

Yanbu. I can't bear stale air I open the windows all the time if the room has even the slightest odour. Euw to windows closed all the time.

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 13:11:00

people dont have heating on over night do they? even if the windows are closed? that is madness

BunFagFreddie Wed 02-Jan-13 13:19:57

We all have bedroom widows cracked open here. It's much healthier.

i cant sleep unless a window is open, no matter how cold or noisy it is outside. on the rare occastions where my dh has closed it, i wake all the time, get a headache, my nose gets blocked, i get a sore throat, and i snore really bad.

he does complain about the cold, but im a warm bodied person (more so than most people, im rarely cold) so he snuggles till he gets too hot

Meglet Wed 02-Jan-13 13:24:00

I have the windows closed and heating on overnight. If I'm not moving I get cold, no matter how many layers I wear.

When I go for a run in the winter I just wear a t-shirt as my body heats up, as soon as I'm back inside in warm clothes but not moving fast then I get cold.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 13:25:38

I don't see how a bedroom with no heating on overnight can be stuffy TBH.

zukiecat Wed 02-Jan-13 13:29:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 13:31:57

See, thats what I thought, zukiecat, how can a unheated bedroom at this time of year be too hot?

I can't sleep with any breeze in the room, or if it's cold. Different strokes really.

piprabbit Wed 02-Jan-13 13:36:32

Our house is a modern, well insulted hose and never gets much below 12 degrees. During the day we have the heating on so it reaches a balmy 16 degrees. So a bedroom with the windows shut gets stuffy.

zukiecat Wed 02-Jan-13 13:40:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 13:41:56

What usualsuspect said.

How can your bedroom possibly get stuffy if the heating is off and your door is open?

I'm assuming that you lot are living in early days of January in the Northern hemisphere, like me.

piprabbit it's not balmy at 16C. I prefer over 20C.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 13:43:14

My house is insulated and double glazed but it still gets cold overnight.

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 13:44:17

"balmy 16 degrees"

We put our coats on to go outside when it's 16 C outside. Especially the DC wouldn't survive long if the house was 16 C in the day and 12 C in the evening!

CoteDAzur I think piprabbit is made of much sterner stuff than you and me grin.

diddl Wed 02-Jan-13 13:46:16

How are these bedrooms getting so hot & stuffy that you need a window open all night?

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 13:47:34

I was just thinking that I never want to live in the UK. Ever. grin

"Balmy 16 C... house never much below 12 C" sounds ARCTIC to me!

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 13:49:19

If it's -2 C outside at night, it will be pretty much the same in your bedroom if you leave a window open all night. How is that fun???

Flatbread Wed 02-Jan-13 13:51:11

When I married dh, he liked having the windows shut in winter. He would whine and then sniffle every morning. He is from Scandinavia, ffs, he should be used to the cold.

We used to have stealth night wars where he would wait till I was asleep and shut the window and I would wake up stuffy and open them and so on.

Now, after 16 years of marriage, he has come around. In fact, he opens the window before we go to bed grin

What I crave now, is cross ventilation. I need two windows on different walls open to get a good sleep.

Our heating is on all the time, since we have underfloor heating downstairs. But it goes into a night mode, so hopefully we are not 'blowing away' money, so as to speak!

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 02-Jan-13 13:54:24

I have no heating in my bedroom and sleep with the door open, I don't like warm bedrooms either.
I don't leave the window open though, that would be just too much.
Considering this is the Highlands we have a lot of strong gales. I usually have my kitchen window open all the time for the cats, but at this time of year I'm having to close to stop all the doors slamming and things blowing of the window ledge.

Rhubarbgarden Wed 02-Jan-13 14:08:03

"How does a room get stuffy with no heating on?" - dh is a veritable nuclear reactor when it comes to giving off heat. If the cats are under the duvet too it's like being in some kind of slow cooker!

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 14:10:12

foam mattresses are really insulating too...

OverlyYappyAlways Wed 02-Jan-13 14:10:37

I have no idea if anyone is BU. I like fresh air, every day and every night, I have an electric blanket to jump into thankfulky

GreenShadow Wed 02-Jan-13 14:15:49

Had no idea that so many people felt so strongly about this!

I wear long pyjamas, have a really thick duvet and, as of last winter, the luxury of an electric underblanket, but still need the windows closed or I'd freeze and not sleep.

I really don't get the stale / unhealthy air thing or the black mould problem - we've never experienced any of this.

KellyEllyChristmasBelly Wed 02-Jan-13 14:18:02

I air my room out in the day and have the windows closed at night. I live in London so too noisy to sleep with windows open at night and bloody freezing as well.

AutumnMadness Wed 02-Jan-13 14:18:16

As a foreigner from a Scandinavian-type country, I have to say that the Brits have a VERY unique attitude towards the cold. I like the house warm. I also mentally roll my eyes any time a British person says to me "but you are from XXXX, you should LOVE the cold!" No, no, no, NOOOO! We, people from Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, you name it, developed excellent strategies for keeping the cold OUT. We have well-insulated homes, with good heating systems, thick walls and double glazing. We had it for ages. We are constantly beguiled by the freezing draughty British housing. We would never dream of standing half-naked in club queues on a January night like the Brits do. We like our parkas and furry boots. We may open windows in our houses in the winter, but just a crack, for ventilation. Keeping them wide open would be just insane. We like being able to go to the loo in the middle of the night and not freeze our fannies/willies off.

From our perspective, the British are a perplexing and extremely hardy nation. Their love of the cold is one thing we will never ever grasp. Along with the two taps thing.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 14:19:56

I have no love of the cold, seems ridiculous to me to have electric blankets, hot water bottles etc just so you can open the window grin

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 14:22:44

" British are a perplexing and extremely hardy nation. Their love of the cold is one thing we will never ever grasp. Along with the two taps thing."

Exactly! What's with the two taps? Why???

lottiegarbanzo Wed 02-Jan-13 14:25:25

My Canadian relatives would agree with you Autumn (taps too)!

I wonder whether it's the same mentality that insisted that babies should be put outside to sleep, a couple of generations ago. A rational explanation for that might be that in the days of coal fires and everyone smoking, it's possible that outdoor air was cleaner, despite coal smoke etc.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 14:25:39

Is it odd to have 2 taps?

One for hot water and one for cold. Whats odd about that?

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 02-Jan-13 14:27:22

I do think one tap is far more sensible.
You can still have hot or cold, or put them on together and have water at the correct temperature.

Yes, what's with the two taps! You end up with either very cold or very hot water. Why doesn't everyone want a tap that mixes both to the right temperature? confused

usualsuspect3 yes it's an odd british thing to have two taps. There's something called a mixer tap in other parts of the world.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 14:28:55

Is it only us brits that have the 2 tap system?

I do have a mixer tap in my kitchen though.

AmberSocks Wed 02-Jan-13 14:29:02

i hate being cold so would nevernopen the windows in my bedroom while im asleep,my nan used to,is it an old people thing?

Like LadyBeagleEyes say if you want just cold or hot water you turn the tap to one or the other end. Simples.

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 14:30:06

Two taps mean you are washing your face and brushing your teeth with either freezing cold or boiling hot water. Why??

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 02-Jan-13 14:30:11

I see you've still got your bollocks, Usual.
I thought MN were going to remove them in the NY?

AutumnMadness Wed 02-Jan-13 14:31:02

CoteDAzur, we will never know. It's like Mars or something. smile

lottiegarbanzo, I don't know about sleeping babies as Scandinavians put their babies outside to sleep in winter all the time (even on balconies in apartment buildings), but I think your idea about coal fires may have something to do with it. As far as I can think now, all northern European countries, except Britain, tended to use closed-type stoves for heating instead of open fires. The Dutch tiled stoves are famous and the Russian stove is a brilliant piece of heating engineering. These devices are much more energy-efficient and produce much less soot and smoke than open fires.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 14:32:43

I've heard nothing from MNHQ yet, LBE.

Maybe I should prod them.

I always brush my teeth with cold water, I never knew our 2 taps were considered odd grin

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 14:33:39

You leave our 2 taps alone <comes over all protective>

AutumnMadness Wed 02-Jan-13 14:34:03

Is it only us brits that have the 2 tap system?

Yep. confused

Flatbread Wed 02-Jan-13 14:49:48

Agree about the two tap thing, autumn.

And perhaps I should give apologies to dh... I thought he was telling porkers when he said everyone in his country sleeps with the windows closed.

In my defence, I cannot understand how someone who lived within spitting distance to the arctic circle can be so namby-pamby about a touch of cold air.

picketywick Wed 02-Jan-13 15:17:32

My neighbour does it. It may depend if one has central heating or not.
I am using royal terminology. So I will tell you the Queen sleeps with 4 corgis guarding her bedroom door

MousyMouse Wed 02-Jan-13 15:27:58

yep, two taps is very british.
as is having no electrical sockets in the bathroom.

Flatbread Wed 02-Jan-13 15:50:44

Mousey, there must be electrical sockets for shaving and water pik thingies?

MousyMouse Wed 02-Jan-13 15:53:36

yes, but what about the hairdryer.
annoys me no end that I have to go to a different room to blow dry my hair.

sorry for highjack

NaokHoHoHo Wed 02-Jan-13 16:00:23

Oh the socket thing drives me batshit. My bathroom doesn't even have a razor socket. My parents' bathroom back home has a number of ordinary (earthed, of course, we're not suicidal!) sockets and no one's dead yet.

Don't get me started on carpet in bathrooms.

Carpet in bathrooms? Is that british? I haven't seen anyone with a bathroom like that! Or maybe it's just the ensuite so I'm spared the horror shock.

And yes yes what's with the pull cord in bathroom. Seriously I have lived 30 years before coming to the UK and I've not heard a single person died because they've flicked the bathroom switch. (That's what the brits told me when I asked why the strange cord. You might get electrocuted).

And those country with bathroom switches aren't backwards third world either. Just saying.

usualsuspect3 Wed 02-Jan-13 16:04:27

We don't all have carpets in our bathrooms and freaky 2 taps, some of us are quite civilized. <sniffs>

Naok we don't have bathroom sockets either. We are charging the electrical toothbrushes in our bedroom. Very inconvenient.

I mean we don't have it in the UK. We have it when we were in Auckland, obviously.

What an interesting thread. smile

Have to sleep with a window open, even if it's only slightly ajar.

Always use a summer duvet and load up with blankets if necessary.

I also hate sleeping with the bedroom door closed,.......!

NaokHoHoHo Wed 02-Jan-13 16:12:03

Oh, I know you don't all have carpets in bathrooms, don't worry smile But I've never seen it at all anywhere else. I just don't understand why anyone would think it was a good idea.

I prefer mixer taps to a two-tap system, but I can live with it. If my house were mine I'd have changed them by now, but it's rented and it doesn't bother me sufficiently to argue with the landlord.

VerySmallSqueak Wed 02-Jan-13 16:18:38

DH and I have a bit of a battle (he likes closed,I like ajar)

The condensation is dreadful if they are closed and that can't be healthy.

complexnumber Wed 02-Jan-13 16:20:22

"You people are crazy.

Heat your homes less if they feel too hot." CoteDAzur

That's my view precisely. I understand not all posters who agree with OP are doing this, but the impression I'm getting that some are heating the house with the windows open. An offensive waste of energy imho.

diddl Wed 02-Jan-13 16:29:30

I agree- have the bedroom radiator cooler or off for the day!

AmandaPayne Wed 02-Jan-13 16:29:35

I do not understand why anyone would want to open their windows at night in winter. You can pile on all the blankets you like and you will still get a cold nose. You must also spend a blooming fortune on heating when it comes on in the morning and the room is 5 degrees. Unless of course you think 16 is 'balmy'.

diddl Wed 02-Jan-13 16:31:32

What causes the condensation?

Never had it in any room.

The bathroom window is regularly open after showers, but the door closed to stop the house getting cold!

emsyj Wed 02-Jan-13 16:42:38

We have our bedroom radiator permanently off - it's not just about the temperature, it's the airflow that I need! Without a fresh breeze, my nose bungs up.

Flatbread Wed 02-Jan-13 16:44:17

I agree- have the bedroom radiator cooler or off for the day!

Doesn't matter. Even if the whole central heating was off all winter, woukd still need the window open.

It is not about being too hot (I'm not, I wear fleecy pjs and warm socks). It is about fresh air.

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 16:46:37

Do really think something happens to the air to make it stale (i.e. not fresh) if you keep your windows closed for a few hours while you sleep?

changeforthebetterforObama Wed 02-Jan-13 16:46:38

I have to sleep with the windows open or I wake up headachey and congested. I also have lovely hot sweats I the night so need to cool down quickly shock I don't have the heating on overnight anyway.

VerySmallSqueak Wed 02-Jan-13 16:49:35

Condensation is when the moisture in the air hits a cold surface and turns to liquid.
It is something some places are more prone to than others.
Solutions are ventilation and adequate heating.

( I think confused )

It's a PITA.

CoteDAzur Wed 02-Jan-13 16:51:29

Yes, like when mirrors cloud in the bathroom.

How do you get this to happen in the rest of the house? How humid is your air? confused

I live a stone's throw from the Mediterranean Sea and don't have any condensation at home, despite the windows staying firmly shut every night.

MousyMouse Wed 02-Jan-13 16:52:39

Do really think something happens to the air to make it stale (i.e. not fresh) if you keep your windows closed for a few hours while you sleep?

yes, dh farts and sweats a lot not me, oh no, never ever

but we open windows before and after sleeping. too noisy otherwise.

I haven't got condensation in our bedrooms either. Are you ventilating the bathrooms and kitchen? Or drying clothes indoors? The water must have to come from somewhere surely.

VerySmallSqueak Wed 02-Jan-13 17:02:01

We have a damp problem (as in rising damp).
We do (like most people) do some drying indoors,but only where we don't have a condensation problem - never in the rooms where we do.
Funnily enough we don't have a problem in the bathroom and kitchen,but they are aired anyway and airbricks are all uncovered.

Flatbread Wed 02-Jan-13 17:06:49

Do really think something happens to the air to make it stale (i.e. not fresh) if you keep your windows closed for a few hours while you sleep?

In winter, the window is kept shut till we go up to get ready for bed. It is a combination of fresh air and moving air, that I need to sleep properly.

Hence my fixation with cross-ventilation for heavy, still nights.

We dry our clothes in the conservatory. It's naturally drafty grin. It's closed to the rest of the house in winter so I can leave all the windows open in it. (Can't think of a better use of that cold room in winter).

So no, VerySmallSqueak we don't have any drying indoors. It's really bad for you btw.

VerySmallSqueak Wed 02-Jan-13 17:12:34

Oh I am aware of that, thanks, One.
But have to dry them somewhere,somehow,and wearing wet clothes ain't recommended neither grin

But it's real life and all our space is for living (we don't have spare conservatories knocking around here wink )

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 17:16:11

If the windows are closed whilst you sleep in your bedroom, ad opposed to open...then you will have a higher ratio of carbon dioxide to oxygen; which is what 'stale' generally refers to

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 17:19:40

Warm air carries more water than cold air, which is why you get condensation on windows and external walls where warm air hits the cold surface and is cooled so depositing moisture.

VerySmallSqueak Wed 02-Jan-13 17:28:37

Yes,trapclap that's it.I think it is also contributed to by poor insulation ( ie North facing walls/windows with no double glazing or cavity wall insulation)

We suffer from condensation when we don't dry clothes indoors (most is hung on line if weather allows or tumble dried). We cover pans when cooking,bath instead of shower and open windows and even the door when cooking.

Just the act of breathing in the bedrooms at night leaves puddles of water on the windowsills it seems.

Much experimentation has shown me that the best combination is consistent heating and leaving the windows slightly ajar at night.

me and dh stayed in paris a few months ago and there was air con at the end of the bed. it was glorious to have it on. i totally want it if we ever buy a house.

our bedroom window stays open unless we are out. we have the heating on a timer (8-9am - 7:30-9pm). we never have it on over night.

we live in a city. we are surrounded by noisy fuckers students and if they are being exceptionally loud, we open the bedroom door, the bathroom window and spare room window.

we also have a summer quilt all year round and thats it. no blankets but do have hotwater bottle if feet (mine) get cold. he doesnt... he has me grin

i grew up in a freezing cold house with no heating, had my bed under the window, and since i was 11, i have had the window open.

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 17:34:14

Regarding carbon dioxide build up...the building regulations set out minimum air changes per hour for different room and building have to demonstrate compliance during design and building. It's a really important criteria in schools. It has an impact on concentration, and will explain why some people wake up with headaches probably

VerySmallSqueak we are lucky to be in a 80s house so it is fairly well insulated. My guess is that our windows in the bedrooms aren't cold even without the heating. Downside is our house is tiny! We don't have a corridor or rooms downstairs for example. It's one room consisting of the living area, dining area, kitchen after you enter via the porch. (Porch is so tiny it is the width of a door and length of about 2). There is actually nowhere to hang laundry inside. We were lucky the house came with the conservatory, tbh.

Another complaint about new houses is the low ceiling. We can't put any lights that's not flushed to the ceiling. Taller friends actually hit their heads on our old lights in the living area. It was just about 40cm lower than the ceiling!

VerySmallSqueak Wed 02-Jan-13 19:25:51

It sounds ideal to dry your clothes in the conservatory One. I was only teasing.

When that article talks about British houses should have dedicated laundry areas, I immediately thought about the many conservatories across the UK grin. They are really useless otherwise. Too hot in summer, too cold in winter. Ofc conservatory companies will tell you otherwise, how you can use it year round. (If can if you aren't cheap with heating).

I know the article is referring to the drying rooms of the old days.

trapclap Wed 02-Jan-13 20:31:22

most funding for social housing construction has a requirement that an area for drying laundry is provided

QuinionsRainbow Wed 02-Jan-13 21:22:34

Windows always open at least two or three inches, even in the depth of winter. We both get sniffles otherwise. Summer weight quilt most of the year, autumn weight for the coldent nights (we've never used the two bits together) and birthday suits all year round.

Bunbaker Wed 02-Jan-13 22:13:55

"Why do people who like to be cold feel as if they have some sort of moral superiority over those that like to be warm"

I agree. I just don't function well when I am cold. I am miserable and my brain doesn't work properly.

Why do so many of you live in stuffy houses? Do you shut your bedroom door at night? Our house was built in the 1990s and all the windows have trickle air vents in them - the house is never stuffy and we don't suffer from condensation either. Our street is quiet, but if I have the window open I hear every little noise and can't sleep.

Bunbaker Wed 02-Jan-13 22:14:49

I hate two taps as well. All of our taps are mixer taps except the ones in the en suite and I find them a pain.

AmandaPayne Wed 02-Jan-13 22:21:03

Can I ask a daft plumbing question? If you have separate taps, is the water coming down two separate pipes right to the point of the tap? Because if it does I think I prefer single - after the thread about things which are found in hot water tanks I don't think I want that on my toothbrush!

VerySmallSqueak Wed 02-Jan-13 22:22:43

I'm in a rural area,and I just love to hear the noises and elements- wind whooshing all the trees about,owls,rain. It's so comforting.

I have to close the bedroom door at night or else the dog dashes in and does victory laps of the bedroom running across our faces. Which is not comforting grin

I remember being woken up by drunken students coming home in the wee hours in the morning. Definitely not comforting grin I have moved now so it's quieter when I have to sleep with open windows in he summer.

singaporefling Wed 02-Jan-13 22:43:55

I know this was about windows/stale air etc...but inLoveWithDavidTennant mentioned air- con... I lurve an icy-cold bedroom/cold nose at night, hubby shivers next to me...and conversely, when we're away somewhere hot we argue all night about aircon, actually put MORE clothes on so we dont freeze, leave it on all night whilst our faces freeze off and wake up with our mouths moving rather fetchingly like dead goldfish smile and spitting feathers - oh what fun. Have tried sleeping without it/naked - too bloody hot of course

glad to see im not alone singaporefling grin

It's probably because the place you are staying in have crappy aircons. Most you can adjust the breeze, both the strength and the direction. For sleeping you will not want it the turn and definitely not towards your face but to another part of the room. Usually across the ceiling.

Unless you are talking about aircons that you can't even set the temperature. hmm

Hmm surely if you live in Singapore you sleep with aircon on?

PigletJohn Wed 02-Jan-13 23:41:33

If you have two taps, then the hot water and the cold water are completely isolated from each other until they mix in the basin.

Kitchen mixers are designed so that the two flows cannot mix until they emerge from the spout. If you look carefully you can often see a separate pipe inside the spout. However some modern "joystick" mixers with ceramic valves can wear and, when faulty, allow the waters to mix inside the pipes. This can lead to some tiresome problems. Some flashy stylish continental designs give poor flow at British pressures, and UK taps are often larger.

Historically, UK cold taps at the kitchen sink have always been supplied with uncontaminated drinking water direct from the incoming water main, and hot water via a storage tank. Depending on local practice for historical reasons, cold taps in bathrooms might be mains or tank fed.

Now that hot water from combi boilers or from pressurised cylinders such as Megaflows are becoming more common, many homes no longer have cold water storage tanks.

Most other countries in the world brought in widespread mains water supplies two hundred years or so later than Britain, so they set up standards which were more modern at the time. Britain still has lower pressure water mains than many countries. The last Roman pipes in London were replaced within living memory, but most towns still have a thousands of miles of iron pipes that were laid over 100 years ago. These old pipes would be liable to leak or burst at higher pressures, and nobody has ever wanted to take on the expense and time needed to dig them all up and replace with new.

Dean Swift (author of Gulliver's Travels), who died in 1745, wrote to his water company in London complaining about poor water pressure in his upstairs taps.

Flatbread Thu 03-Jan-13 07:37:49

A very interesting post, Piglet. Thanks smile

The things one learns on mumsnet!

AmandaPayne Thu 03-Jan-13 08:11:02

Thanks PigletJohn. Interesting!

singaporefling Thu 03-Jan-13 08:41:37

I don't live in Singapore onelittletoddlingerror... Wouldnt mind tho...altho I'd probably die from satay overload smile

ComposHat Thu 03-Jan-13 13:03:28

yes it's an odd british thing to have two taps. There's something called a mixer tap in other parts of the world

If you look carefully you find something called a 'plug' in British sinks that allows you to create the desired water temperature in the sink.

AmandaPayne Thu 03-Jan-13 13:34:34

For exactly that reason Compo my grandmother hates mixer taps. She thinks it encourages leaving the tap running instead of using a plug, which in turn encourages you to use far too much water...

Euphemia Thu 03-Jan-13 13:39:57

Your grandmother speaks with wisdom, Amanda!

ComposHat Thu 03-Jan-13 13:42:04

Seconded Euphmemia

Flatbread Thu 03-Jan-13 13:44:29

Er, do you wash your hands in a sink full of water...isn't that rather unhygienic?

God, the things that Mumsnet gets you to do.

I've always been a "seal up the windows" girl but opened both DS' and our bedroom windows when we went to bed last night, just to see how cold it got - we have 3 layers on the bed and electric blankets if needed so I thought I'd take the plunge.

Surprisingly seductive isn't it, breathing in cold air through the night and having a fresh room in the morning?

You may all have converted me, not necessarily in the depths of winter with the snow and wind howling mind (we live at the top of a hill and it's potentially a recipe for 30cm of snow on the window ledge) but certainly for now.

ComposHat Thu 03-Jan-13 13:47:36

Unhygienic? How exactly?

AmandaPayne Thu 03-Jan-13 13:50:02

How is it unhygienic if the sink is clean?

Flatbread Thu 03-Jan-13 14:18:20

I dunno...I am imagining, closing the plug, filling the sink.

Then, soaping up and plunging hands in the sink.

Well at that point the water gets all soapy and manky.

Don't you have to unplug, drain, wash sink, refill and then plunge hands again?

Repeat till your hands are soap free and clean.

OR, do what normal people do, turn the mixer to a hot but not burny temperature, wash hands in hot water till soap is gone and you are done! smile

PigletJohn Thu 03-Jan-13 14:22:50

you'd hate to have a bath.

AmandaPayne Thu 03-Jan-13 14:23:49

Or, how about, you don't actually need hot water to wash hands. So instead of waiting for the water to run hot (which takes time and wastes water, regardless of your tap), you run water and wash hands quickly under it. Done.

But in the plug scenario, why is the water so soapy after one hand wash that you need clean water. OK if you have been gardening and are covered in mud or something. But in normal life, how much soap does one need?

It is more things like washing face, or my MILs habit of washing up under a running tap which I think wastes water.

I don't hate mixer taps or anything (that's my grandma), but nor do I think they are particularly superior. They're just taps smile. I did like the lever one we had in our bathroom which you could do with your elbow when you'd just dealt with a nappy explosion or something though!

diddl Thu 03-Jan-13 14:27:58

Mixer taps are OK.

But then sometimes someone has had hot/warm & you want cold, so end up wasting some.

Flatbread Thu 03-Jan-13 14:43:57

Piglet, lol. I thought everyone has a shower after a bath, or is it just me? blush

Amanda, not sure about the 'quick hand wash' method. That is dh's preferred style and he managed to get orange stains on the towel because he did a quickie wash after putting marinated meat in the oven.

My hand wash routine- Rinse hands first. Then put soap. Massage nicely. Rinse again with hot water to kill any left-over germs. Close mixer with elbow, if possible. Or pour hot water over tap during final rinse and close using minimal contact.

AmandaPayne Thu 03-Jan-13 14:55:57

Well yes, but you don't need to wash your hands that thoroughly every time. Obviously if I had hands covered in oily marinade I'd fill a basin. You'd use masses of water washing something like that off under a running tap.

You have a shower after a bath? Really confused

It's also a bit of a myth that hot water kills bacteria in hand washing isn't it - given the temperature your hands can manage? I am sure I have read that it is the soap that does the job and you'd actually need scalding water to make any impact.

I actually think bathing is gross. I moved out of a flat because the landlord wouldn't fix a shower and think baths are fine. Not to me, sorry.

I mean bathing to clean yourself. Not bathing for the sake of sitting in a tub of hot water.

Bunbaker Thu 03-Jan-13 16:13:27

"I thought everyone has a shower after a bath, or is it just me?"

Do you really bath and then shower? How wasteful!

I bath or shower every day so never get really dirty in the first place.

Bunbaker Thu 03-Jan-13 16:13:58

"I actually think bathing is gross."

Do you have OCD?

Adversecamber Thu 03-Jan-13 16:18:15

Windows open in almost every room constantly. MIL swears the amount of illness these days is due to lack of air and overheated houses.

They are the teeny little windows at the top of a double glazed window and only open a crack.

Flatbread Thu 03-Jan-13 16:30:15

I am not very hygienic at all. I am quite relaxed (aka very lazy) about cleanliness in general.

I just thought you had to shower after a bath, to get the soapy water off. Is there a trick I never learnt? Did my mum lead me down the wrong path?

VerySmallSqueak Thu 03-Jan-13 17:02:50

Surely if you wash your hands in water,whether it be in a basin or from the taps ,your hands are clean for most purposes (except performing a quadruple heart bypass).

Unless you bathe in baked bean juice, I'm sure,equally,that a bath renders most of us fit to face the world.

lottiegarbanzo Thu 03-Jan-13 17:06:18

Hmm, well it's usual in Japan to shower and rinse before a bath!

Never heard of showering after a bath. How did we manage before showers were commonplace?

Bunbaker exactly what flatbread says. Do you rinse your dishes? Do you empty your bath and then refill it to rinse? How about your hair, how do you wash it properly? I can't seem to get the shampoo out when I was stuck with a bath.

lottiegarbanzo people don't used to bath often. They used to have a potty under the bed. We are now a lot nicer smelling than our ancestors.

And outhouses shared by many families. The horror hmm

lottiegarbanzo Thu 03-Jan-13 17:54:10

Ancestors! The house I grew up in didn't have a shower installed until I was seventeen - having only a bath was completely normal in the 70s and 80s - we bathed frequently, were quite fragrant and I'm not that ancient!

specialsubject Thu 03-Jan-13 18:04:18

yes, as long as the heating is off. One or the other.

zukiecat Thu 03-Jan-13 19:01:54

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I can live without a bath grin. It takes up space and we never use ours, until DD. Now we bath her in it.

Really people don't have showers in the 70s and 80s? shock I was born in the 70s and have always had showers. (I assume I was bathed as a baby ofc).

And I wash my hair every morning. So obviously I'd ave to use a shower if I were you zukiecat. I used to shampoo everyday, but now at my older age my hair doesn't go lanky so quickly.

LadyBeagleEyes Thu 03-Jan-13 19:11:36

Loads of houses in the 70's only had baths.
And in my new built HA house they didn't put showers in, I had to install mine myself.
In fact everybody in the street has done it now, why they didn't put them in automatically is beyond me.

singaporefling Thu 03-Jan-13 19:17:11

I always shower after a bath, don't feel clean otherwise... And wash dishes without plug in which i know is naughty - same principle as bathing tho, don't want me/things wallowing in 'dirty' water..

Our HA property only has a bath. Drives me nuts, much prefer showers.

Our last property only had a shower. At the time I vaguely missed having a long luxurious soak in the bath, but looking back now I prefer it that way round.

Try dying and then rinsing your hair when you only have a bath and no shower! I have to use a damn jug!

When the shower broke down in our rented flat, we were told showers aren't part of being inhabitable. The bath is. I'm not 100% surprised HA doesn't include them. But they should though.

Adversecamber Thu 03-Jan-13 22:21:38

I didn't live in a house with a shower till 1989. My neighbour used to bath in a tin bath in front of the fire and have an outside loo . This was in 1979 so not that long ago.

ComposHat Fri 04-Jan-13 01:19:17

Yep at least three rental properties I've lived in have lacked a shower, we had those rubber tap attachments with a shower head that you buy from boots.

I was born in 1980 and remember showers being a comparative rarity/luxury. My grandparents house (built in the early 70s) didn't have one until about five years ago and only then because my gran couldn't get in and out of the bath easily. I think my dad installed a shower in our house some time in the mid-80s. I certainly remember not having one as a nipper.

It was comparatively normal for kids to be bathed only once a week on a Sunday and that would last a whole week. My mum fancied us a cut above as we had a bath every other day albeit in bathwater shared by the whole family, it would be absolutely grey by the time the last person had it. It was also pretty grim if my mum had shaved her legs in the bath, you'd come out covered in prickly hairs.

We must have all stunk to high heaven.

[Cue Hovis music]

skullcandy Fri 04-Jan-13 01:33:32

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

deleted203 Fri 04-Jan-13 01:35:43

Are you mad, woman! Flinging windows open in January? (I am assuming you live in UK). I am on your DH's side I'm afraid and would have to strangle you if you opened bedroom windows in my house. grin. I'm ALWAYS bloody cold.

cumfy Fri 04-Jan-13 02:25:29

YANBU, 15 tog duvets were invented before windows.


mathanxiety Fri 04-Jan-13 02:43:28

Dad put in a shower with an electric pump some time in the 70s in our house in Dublin. He liked a lot of new technology and was quite handy so it was a task he enjoyed. He tried in vain to get mum interested in a microwave but she wouldn't let him buy one. She returned home from visiting me after the birth of DD1 to find he had installed one in the kitchen and was very pleased with himself. She generally uses it for storing eggs.

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 04-Jan-13 02:52:23


I feel the cold terribly and would be very unimpressed if bedroom windows were opened now!

Bunbaker Fri 04-Jan-13 11:38:04

to get the soapy water off.

Perhaps you use too much soap. I use soap in the bath to wash essential areas, but not on every inch of my skin as it simply doesn't need it.

Do you rinse your dishes? No
Do you empty your bath and then refill it to rinse? No, the water isn't soapy or dirty.
How about your hair, how do you wash it properly? I can't seem to get the shampoo out when I was stuck with a bath. I don't wash my hair in the bath, I do it in the shower.

CoteDAzur Sat 05-Jan-13 16:17:24

Of course I rince the dishes. I'd rather the detergent doesn't stay on them, to be eaten up next time those dishes are used.

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