To sneak an extra child into centre parks ??

(88 Posts)
catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 11:55:23

Hi
Posting on behalf of a friend (she can't easily get to Internet ATM )

She's booked a centre parks holiday in a lodge that sleeps 4.

Posting on behalf of a friend , shes in the back of beyond , no internet.

She's booked a holiday at centre parks.

Her exdh agreed to take their sn dd leaving her to take their 3ds.

All good , mum gets a break, dd gets to spend time with her dad ( at the dd request)

Based on the fact that she would have 3 dc with her she booked accommodation for 4 in total.

Now exdh has refused to take dd ( don't know all the details ) and has buffered off with new gf.

She is due to leave tomorrow for two nights.

Dd won't / can't stay with anyone but mum or dad due to sn issues.

It's too late to change the booking , no bigger lodges free anyway. Even if she could afford it.

Do you think she can get away with sneaking 4 kids plus her into accommodation for 4 ???

What about going into the pool ??

Thanks in advance

DozyDuck Tue 01-Jan-13 11:56:30

Can she not
Ring and explain?

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 11:56:51

Sorry about "repeating " myself there, posting from phone , gggrrrr

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 11:58:02

She's worried that if she asks they will say no abs then be "on the lookout" for an extra child.

SavoyCabbage Tue 01-Jan-13 11:58:45

I would ring them and see what they say.

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:00:44

You're right, I could ring and ask ( but not give her name) and see what they said. Would put her mind at rest.

TraineeBabyCatcher Tue 01-Jan-13 12:04:14

Just out of interest, which child will she be hiding en route in?

We have done it before for 1 night on a week long stay. But we arrived in 3 cars so it was easy. Maybe it was wrong, but they got more money out of us than if we didn't as we paid out for extra activities on that day.
Knowing the cost of center parcs I feel no guilt. And tbh would do it in your friends position.

SavoyCabbage Tue 01-Jan-13 12:04:25

Ring a different one then and see what they say.

They definitely counted all the people when I went as I had my nephew in my car and he was on my sisters booking. She was in the car behind do all was well but it was like being at a check point.

Inertia Tue 01-Jan-13 12:04:33

She won't get away with it, they count the car occupants as you go in and check against the list of names. She should ring to explain and see what they can do to help.

Pineneedlesandsuch Tue 01-Jan-13 12:05:32

At centre parks they give you bracelets to use the pool, you're friend will have been given 4, 1 adult and 3 children, so the kids wouldn't all be able to go to the pool at the same time, she's have to send them off in pairs :/ x

PicaK Tue 01-Jan-13 12:05:43

Well the pool won't be a prob cos no one checks adult kids ratio.

But they look in the car when you check in at the arrivals lodge. Could hide one under a blanket but it's a long wait.

Then there's the fire risk of over crowding the acc. Are any of the kids under 2 cos they don't count as a full person so she wouldn't be breaking the rules.

It is quite easy to 'sneak' people in to CP once you have done your initial booking in however they do do a head count when you first arrive. We went at Christmas and my dad came in for the day on the Saturday - we just drove out, collected him and drove back in but we couldn't have arrived with him on the Friday iyswim. Once in there will be no problem. How old are the dc's? 4 person lodge will be a 2 bed normally 1 double and 1 twin room but the sofa's are big enough. There is also a cot in addition to the beds.

Could 1 dc hop in the boot at the end of the driveway until you're in?!

TraineeBabyCatcher Tue 01-Jan-13 12:07:03

Which center parcs ie that Pineneedle?
We've never had them before, just a sticker for the car.

TraineeBabyCatcher Tue 01-Jan-13 12:08:02

*is

foxache Tue 01-Jan-13 12:10:46

We've never had wristbands for the pool either. I think it'd be quite easy to get another child in but like others have said, there might be a bit of a wait under a blanket when you drive in.

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:10:52

Just rang , no joy , can't just "have one sleep on the floor".
sad

Not sure if she will need pool bands

I think she will have to give it a go.

No holiday at all otherwise.

Pineneedlesandsuch Tue 01-Jan-13 12:13:20

blush Sorry I was thinking Butlins!

MummytoKatie Tue 01-Jan-13 12:14:42

How old is the youngest child? Under twos don't count. The place where they check is when you enter the park. After that they don't count at all. (I guess she may have a problem with the pool if too many kids to supervise safely but that has nothing to do with the whole lodge thing.)

So she either needs to register one of the kids as 23 months (and stick a dummy in their mouth as they go through the entrance) or hide one on the way in.

Or see if she can pay a few pounds extra to have one sleeping on an air bed in the lounge.

dorapeppageorgenoddy Tue 01-Jan-13 12:14:42

Not sure if this helps but we booked for 4 - 2 adults and 2 children but 1 of the adults was there for first 3 days and the 2nd adults came the last (my mum then oh) anyway I was worried they would think we are sneaking in an extra adult and not let OH in etc so I rang and (this is the bit that may help) they said a 2 bed room allows up to 3 adults and 2 children or 2 adults and 3 adults cause and each cabin has a max capacity which is not just a simple 2 and 2 solution - he also says depends on ages of children - so I think it is worth a ring or ask her to give you the cabin code and on their site it will give max occupation -

Never heard of wristbands in the pool I think that's just day/spa guests -

Sure it will work out grin

TraineeBabyCatcher Tue 01-Jan-13 12:15:50

Carfourfeet- in your friends position I really would just go ahead and do it. It's paid for now, she needs the break, the kids do and they will enjoy it.

Himalaya Tue 01-Jan-13 12:16:05

You can get day passes for Centerparcs. I'm not sure they check that you leave.

dorapeppageorgenoddy Tue 01-Jan-13 12:17:14

Agree with pp it's an age thing with the children too - as each cabin has a cot so that adds one to the capacity a bad the sofa can be used as a bed but you may be able to pay a lined surcharge -

If all children are over 11 it may be a problem but younger it should be ok -

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:18:14

Would only have some leway if one if kids was under 2 , but they are 6,8,10,12

TraineeBabyCatcher Tue 01-Jan-13 12:20:53

One will be fine on the sofa, we've been in the sofa bed ones before and the bed has never been pulled out the occupant has just slept straight on the sofa (adults).

Her only concern would be getting the child in.

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:33:37

I could drive down in my car whilst she gies in her car , keep one of her dd with me out side centre parks , then she could drive back out with 1 ds and dd leaving 12 year old ds to sit in a cafe in centre parks for a bit.

Would that work ??

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 01-Jan-13 12:34:22

Could one of the DS's be dropped off later by someone else, avoiding the counting on the way in problem?

Would one of the DS's like to stay with a friend instead (tough if they have all been loookjng forward to it but it might suit one ok)

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:34:42

Keep one if her ds !! With me

thefirstmrsrochester Tue 01-Jan-13 12:35:09

You can shove the twin beds together & sleep 3 children lying crossways. Double for your friend and one of the dd's. Nobody ever checks the occupancy of the lodges and nobody monitors the adult to child ratio at the pool. How to get an additional child in through check-in, I don't know.
Hide one & make the others swear silence?
How old are the dc?

Charleymouse Tue 01-Jan-13 12:37:49

Go online to cp website and under activities book one child in as a day guest. Then you can all arrive together with no issues.
Explain one will be collected by someone else later that day.
Sorted.

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:38:56

Anyone know a pub / cafe near longleat centre parks ??

yfuwchhapus Tue 01-Jan-13 12:38:59

I think that would be a fab idea cat...your friend and her DC deserve this holiday.

thefirstmrsrochester Tue 01-Jan-13 12:40:28

Catfour, yip. That would work. You can check in early (before you get access to the lodges), and get access to the pool. The older two will be able to use it without supervision of an adult, and your friend cld drive back to meet you & get the other child, on return up the parc, she will have her car sticker and and just drive back to the parking area.

Charleymouse Tue 01-Jan-13 12:41:11

Cat book one of the kids and you in as day guests and arrive in two vehicles, may be easier, plus you get a nice day out.
There is a premier inn not far away that we stopped in en-route to Longleat.

TraineeBabyCatcher Tue 01-Jan-13 12:41:14

Yeah cat, I think that would work fine as they don't check the cars back in the second time.
But if she is concerned then I would go down the day pass route.

yfuwchhapus Tue 01-Jan-13 12:42:30

There is a pub about 2-3 miles from longleat, i think its called the red lion.

TheFallenNinja Tue 01-Jan-13 12:42:35

Sounds like a great way to add stress to a holiday.

TraineeBabyCatcher Tue 01-Jan-13 12:42:44

Or as pp has said, make a day out of it for yourself (maybe your kids aswell), assuming financial that's viable.

dorapeppageorgenoddy Tue 01-Jan-13 12:44:07

On the official q&a the answer isn't great;

Published 22/11/2011 03.21 PM | Updated 13/03/2012 08.03 PM
In order to avoid over occupying accommodation we have had to define the age range that we consider to be an infant and sleep comfortably in our cots. We recognise that not all children are the same but we have to set a clear consistent policy for all to understand. Children of two years and over are not considered infants by Center Parcs and therefore should be included in the head count for the accommodation. The maximum number of guests in each accommodation unit (as stated on our website) must not be exceeded. If it is, we may move those additional persons to another accommodation unit and will charge the appropriate full charge for the additional accommodation. Children under the age of two can be included in your party without the need for a standard sized bed, in these cases we provide a cot.

Here is the link centerparcs.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/97/kw/Maximum

So I would focus on what others have suggested re; getting in once in it will be fine -

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:47:16

"sound like a great way to add stress to a holiday "

She didn't plan this , her fuckwit of an exdh let her down.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 01-Jan-13 12:48:11

I used to work with someone who lives near Sherwood Centreparcs. He frequently used to bike through the main gates on a Saturday with kids - wave to the people in the checking in lodge and then lock the bikes up and go for a swim. He saws they'd just assume he was a guest who'd been to the Sherwood Pines next door for a bike ride.

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:48:12

Thanks for the info regards near by pub

dorapeppageorgenoddy Tue 01-Jan-13 12:48:45

Found this; which looks best solution;

Full Day Visitors Pass
Published 22/12/2011 12.15 PM | Updated 22/05/2012 09.29 AM
Description
If you would like to bring friends and family along to Center Parcs for the day you can purchase a day pass for them to be able to try out a particular activity or join you for a family meal. Day passes are permitted from 10am to midnight. We do not permit day visitors to bring any animals onto the village. We strongly advise you to pre-book your day visitors as we have limited spaces available. Please Note, If booking the 'group of four' option there must be at least one adult over the age of 18 years old in the party. Activity available at all villages.

Link here; child/related/1

CajaDeLaMemoria Tue 01-Jan-13 12:50:23

Don't just sneak her in. You'll be on edge all holiday.

Pay for day passes and they will turn a blind eye to her sleeping there too. Unfortunately I know this from experience, but it will work. They don't want to ruin the holiday, so as long as you have paid for her one way or another, they will be helpful.

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 12:51:52

Thanks for all the advice , I'll go with her tomorrow and see how we get on.
I can't afford a day pass for me and my kids sad
But we can have a day out round the longleat area.

houseelfdobby Tue 01-Jan-13 13:00:33

For understandably kind reasons, this thread consists of people telling you how to help your friend commit a criminal act (obtaining services by deception). Although it seems harmless in the real world and a "victimless crime", the same could be said of shoplifting or skipping train fares and I am sure nobody would recommend either of those activities.

It would be best if your friend could persuade the father to take the DD after all if at all possible as per the original plan. .... perhaps I don't get out enough but I couldn't do this (defraud CP) and would never advise a friend to do it, even though I see the temptation.

If you are in the Longleat area then passes for Longleat itself are very good value btw and at least as enjoyable as CP. Perhaps you can have your friend's DD for the duration and do fun other stuff?

lunar1 Tue 01-Jan-13 13:11:11

Good luck for tomorrow, what a shit her ex has been.

Dominodonkey Tue 01-Jan-13 13:11:19

houseelfdobby - are you for real? Any place that makes you pay £6 for 30 minutes table tennis deserves to be screwed over. And anyway this is not a planned deception - it has only occurred through desperate circumstances. Would you really rather they stayed at home miserable?

Ephiny Tue 01-Jan-13 13:19:25

I have to agree with houseelfdobby. Yes the circumstances are unfortunate (though 'desperate' is going a bit far), but that doesn't make it right to only pay for four guests while sneaking in a fifth. Saying it's OK because she 'deserves' the holiday seems morally dubious to me.

Surely there's a safety issue as well with lying about the number of children, e.g. if there was a fire or something, no one would know to look for a fourth child.

Himalaya Tue 01-Jan-13 13:40:03

Oh good grief. It's hardly grand larceny. CP has rules to prevent big groups crashing in their chalets, to meet their insurers agreement and to extract maximum money from customers. OP's friend wants to bend these rules a bit for understandable reasons.

As for fire risk epiphany - do you never have house guests?

Enfyshedd Tue 01-Jan-13 13:47:16

Dobby - the DD has SN and can't/won't be left with anyone other than her DM or "D"F. So, although you've suggested that the OP make arrangements to have her friend's DD for the days, what would you suggest they do for the nights?

Tricky situation... For all we know, a CP employee has spotted this thread and they will now be on the lookout in 2 days time anyway. OP, did you explain on the phone re. the SN, your friend beind dropped in it, etc (basically really lay the sob story down really thickly?) Surely it would be good customer relations to be flexible in these circumstances?

RedHelenB Tue 01-Jan-13 13:52:06

Can't she just change the booking to 5 & upgrade the accomodation?

VivaLeBeaver Tue 01-Jan-13 13:52:59

I'm guessing she doesn't want to/can't afford the extra for a 6 bed lodge.

Charlie01234 Tue 01-Jan-13 13:54:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

maleview70 Tue 01-Jan-13 14:05:15

I have never been given wristbands for the pool.

As you get close to check in, get one of kids to lie at the feet of the others in the back and cover them with a duvet or something similar.

Alternatively put one in the boot!

dayshiftdoris Tue 01-Jan-13 14:13:20

She can't upgrade there are no lodges available - says so earlier in the thread and can well believe it at this time of year...

I have a couple of groups friends who go every year and everyone of them shares their holiday with family and friends who buy a day pass and just don't leave... if Centre Parcs really gave a toss they would be giving braclets to every guest like Butlins... I think they see it as you being on site and spending money so alls fair in love and business.

No one takes the complete piss from what I can gather - just an extra 2 people or 2+little child in a lodge rather than scores of extra people as that would be noticed.

I think you waiting with one of the dc and then her being driven in later is a fine idea... I can't see the issue at all...

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 14:16:56

Feeling really gulity now !!!

Have decided on a "half way house"

I'll pay for "extra" child on day pass, three days = £55, so actually MORE than the others are paying per head in the accomodation anyway. so CP are not missing out on any money.

I was very kindly given some money at my church by an anonomous donor, they knew about all my angst with DH and his MH issues ( if you remember my other threads) and this seems a VERY good reason to use some of it for. Pay it forward and all that !

As far as fire etc goes the CP dont keep a head count on site, you can come and go as you please once you have booked in.

catfourfeet Tue 01-Jan-13 14:18:13

paying for day passes not much more than extra petrol I would use TBF.

houseelfdobby Tue 01-Jan-13 14:19:16

dominodonkey so if a shop charges prices that you think are too high, do you think it ok to steal from them? Surely the better approach is just not to buy there: just because CP charge a lot doesn't give you the right to defraud them. If you don't agree with the charges, don't go. Simples. Sneaking in an extra child is not grand larceny (not sure what that is tbh) but it is dishonest and technically criminal (although I doubt CP would prosecute in the circumstances, although they might - if they did, then encouraging the friend to sneak the child in will seem very shortsighted).

Yes, sorry, obviously we don't know what the SN are but clearly the OP is a good friend and perhaps could cope. Otherwise the OP could take one of the other DC leaving the friend with the right number of children.....

It's a rubbish situation to be in - and sounds like the fault of the ex - but you have to deal with the hand you are dealt without defrauding anyone else. Perhaps the friend has insurance that would cover cancellation and she could then book something she can afford for the new number in the family?

houseelfdobby Tue 01-Jan-13 14:20:41

BTW I hope the comment above about putting a child in the boot was a joke.

ILoveTIFFANY Tue 01-Jan-13 14:20:42

I can't believe so many condone this!

If something goes wrong/ there's an accident then don't we all have to pay more to go as costs and insurance increases??

Ridiculous idea

ILoveTIFFANY Tue 01-Jan-13 14:22:18

It's not just a case of 'fire' precautions either

houseelfdobby Tue 01-Jan-13 14:23:08

catfourfeet just seen your post. It sounds sensible and kind of you to pay for your friend's child. I hope she (? and you) have a nice stay.

duffybeatmetoit Tue 01-Jan-13 14:44:14

Can I put in a thought from the DCs perspective? My dad snuck me and my DSis into a hotel once to save money on a family holiday and it ruined the holiday for me. I found it very difficult and the embarrassment has stayed with me ever since. I would rather not have gone perhaps they would feel the same?

Findingmyself Tue 01-Jan-13 14:45:58

I would go for it; buy the day passes and then go with the plan of your friend leaving her eldest on site alone and then collecting the extra child. We have just been to CP and I spent two of the 3 nights sleeping on the sofa due to DH's snoring! It was fine; very comfy. I would just take an extra duvet and pillow along.

Hope they all have a lovely time! I'm very jealous, CP is our favourite place!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 01-Jan-13 16:18:39

Houseelf there is no way insurance would cover this as it's been brought about by the ex's actions.

Catfour you sound like a lovely friend.

Pictureperfect Tue 01-Jan-13 22:01:09

I know the CP spa has a disabled rate that they don't publicise, the carer goes in for free, I'm wondering if it applies to other aspects of CP

myBOYSareBONKERS Tue 01-Jan-13 22:16:04

if your going for the day couldn't you stay over in the lodge too? Take sleeping bags etc

Badgersnatch Tue 01-Jan-13 22:34:14

I thought CPs was midweek (4 nights mon-fri) or weekend (fri-mon). Never heard of Weds-Fri.

juneybean Wed 02-Jan-13 01:02:37

Special thingies at Christmas and New Year I think

lunar1 Wed 02-Jan-13 20:13:45

hope it went ok

complexnumber Wed 02-Jan-13 20:56:38

I think you are definitely being unreasonable.

I think the fact that you have posted on here suggests that you know that already.

Why do you deserve a freebie?

CP's are not cheap, and I have noticed that thigs can get crowded at times, maybe it's because families like you are trying to slip a small one by.

It's the same as condoning shoplifting.

perceptionInaPearTree Wed 02-Jan-13 21:11:29

When I went to Center Parcs, nobody counted how many of us there were in the car and we were not given bracelets for swimming either..........this was Whinfell Forrest.

Lovesabadboy Thu 03-Jan-13 00:20:52

We were told about a friend of a friend who took their gerbil to CP in a cage.
They were charged £55.00 at the gate for it!!! shock

Because of this, I am not surprised that they examine the car with a fine-toothed comb and will charge for any extra breathing creature they find! grin

festivelyfocussed Thu 03-Jan-13 08:36:06

What power this XP has. He welches on an arrangement with his dd and we have the mother, her friend and a group of MNErs wrestling with how to break the law rather than dealing with the man that caused the problem.
I don't rally have any strong feelings about the morality of the CP entry issue but it sounds like it has the potential to be v. Stressful.
This man needs to be reminded of his paternal responsibilities and stop fucking about with people's plans so he can do the same with his GF. Ffs!

Hulababy Thu 03-Jan-13 08:40:40

Never been counted in or out, and never had a wristband for swimming, etc.

Have been on a day pass and no checks to see if we'd left.

theoriginalandbestrookie Thu 03-Jan-13 08:44:04

Exactly ff, how ridiculous that this selfish a**hole can spoil the poor DCs holiday like this.
OP hope "your friends" get the extra person in and it works out ok. CP makes their money on what you spend inside the park as well as accomodation so I don't have a huge amount of moral angst about what you planned to do.

OBface Thu 03-Jan-13 08:49:41

I've done this. My dd was two just three weeks before and therefore would have been counted as an extra person needing her own room and pushing the price up £200.

We had no problems, this was Oct 12.

arrrghhhhwaiting Thu 03-Jan-13 10:06:35

The wristbands are a new thing, instead of keys, they operate your front door and the swimming lockers. They only gave us 2 for a group of 4 anyway. For a fiver deposit you can ask for more.

Nuttyprofessor Fri 04-Jan-13 01:14:51

I have worked in a holiday park with lodges. The reason you cannot allow over occupancy is fire safety regulations.

ProudAS Fri 04-Jan-13 07:04:18

Did it work out Cat?

catfourfeet Fri 04-Jan-13 22:57:12

Quick update

Registered at front gate no problem. Just waved through with 4 kids and the three day passes for "extra" child were registered on system.

No checks after that.

Not completely "honest" but cp had the same amount per head from all 5 as they would have had from just 4 iyswim.

As far as fire safety goes anyone can just go off site at any time so cp only have a rough idea of occupancy anyway.

And you could all be "official guests" and one of your party could fall asleep in a friends l

catfourfeet Fri 04-Jan-13 23:01:05

.....lLodge untill 2am , so the head count would be off anyway

It was wrong to bring an extra child in but cp didn't miss out financially and in reality fire safety wasn't , in the real sense if the word, compromised

Ps they all had a fab time , so her exdh can just go f* himself

TheSecondComing Fri 04-Jan-13 23:03:04

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

KenDoddsDadsDog Fri 04-Jan-13 23:13:36

Really nice thing for you to pay for the extra child

Damash12 Fri 04-Jan-13 23:23:06

Hi glad you got in and had a good time after it nearly being ruined be the numpty of an ex! I have a friend who always lists daughter as 2 so she gets in free. Can't see how much longer she'll get away with that one as she's soon 5 but come on CP get there money's worth and you pay for the villa not £pp.

catfourfeet Fri 04-Jan-13 23:23:40

Well it put her mind at rest, cp went missing out financilsyy , and if some one at my church can have enough heart to give ME a gift then it made it easy to help her out. No biggie , what goes around cones around and all that

DerbyNottsLeicsNightNanny Fri 04-Jan-13 23:29:45

When I was a kid we used to sneak my brother in & he slept on sofa without any probs, he'd be about 10. Mum & dad just hid him under a blanket in rear footwellsmile

Findingmyself Fri 04-Jan-13 23:53:33

So glad it worked out well and that they all had a nice holiday!

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