Down sizing property's

(85 Posts)
Angienoonoo123 Thu 13-Dec-12 19:55:10

Hi everyone what are people's views on people under occupying there council homes , I no of a couple of people that are over 65 that live in 4 bedroom houses by there self they have to pay no rent the state of the houses are disgusting as they are to fragile to clean the houses they are in surley the council should In force a law that just because these people have lived in these houses for years dosent mean they should keep them they both have 3 spare bedrooms just sitting there shouldn't they be made to downsize ?? To a 2 bedroom or something it's not fair that these young couples with 3 -4 kids have to keep them in a flat with no garden while these oaps can't Evan take care of them selfs properly let alone a massive house !!

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 19:58:57

Perhaps young couples shouldn't have 3-4 dc when they live in flats with no gardens?

BigShinyBaubles Thu 13-Dec-12 20:04:59

I agree with Oldlady. It was their choice to have so many children in such a small place. Do they just expect to be given a bigger house because they can't stop breeding?

Dawndonna Thu 13-Dec-12 20:05:37

When you are able to spell, use grammar, construct a sentence that is comprehensible, do come back and posit an argument.

NatashaBee Thu 13-Dec-12 20:10:20

surley the council should In force a law that just because these people have lived in these houses for years dosent mean they should keep them they both have 3 spare bedrooms just sitting there shouldn't they be made to downsize ??

I believe they're doing exactly that - tenancies are going to be reviewed every 5 years going forward aren't they? But if you're elderly, have lived in one area all your life and are dependent on local family to help you when needed, it doesn't necessarily make sense to force you out of your home and move somewhere else away from your family. Practically, how would an 80 year old pack all their stuff and load it into a lorry? And a 2 bedroom flat is not necessarily going to be accessible to an elderly person. The root of the issue here is not the fact that people are underoccupying council houses - it's that private rented is so insecure and expensive that people feel they have no choice but to hang onto their council place tightly.

Theicingontop Thu 13-Dec-12 20:13:46

Is someone a little bitter perhaps?

The rules are changing, and people will be made to downsize.

it's not fair that these young couples with 3 -4 kids have to keep them in a flat with no garden while these oaps can't Evan take care of them selfs properly let alone a massive house !!

I don't understand what age has to do with it.

NeedlesCuties Thu 13-Dec-12 20:29:11

Wasn't there a similar thread last year, or maybe in 2010? I remember it turned into a bun fight.

YANBU to think it, but there are lots who'll ball you out for posting it.

Angienoonoo123 Thu 13-Dec-12 20:30:50

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LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:32:04

Presumably, these young couples with 3-4 children, living in a cramped flat, have reported to the police the person holding them at gun-point and repeatedly forcing them to have numerous babies in a country where free contraception is widely available

Yes?

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 20:33:09

Nice, OP. Look, this topic has been done to death several times and you're really not adding anything, fancy phone or not.

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:33:16

And which charm school did you graduate from OP grin

judefawley Thu 13-Dec-12 20:34:17

Can't comment as my eyes are bleeding.

Angienoonoo123 Thu 13-Dec-12 20:35:17

I'm not saying these old people should be chucked out from there houses they should be givern main priority of we're they would like to live for example bungerlos or maisonettes these people I'm talking about cannot keep the up keep of there property's there smelly there dirty I think the council should give them money for any rooms they are downsizing I just think there should be a law that If you are a single person 1 spare bedroom is defiantly enough

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:35:20

[lends jude a mild dilution of bleach with which to rinse her eyes...]

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:37:18

I take it all back...all of it...I will never, ever tell DD1 (9.5) off again for her poor spelling and punctuation.

judefawley Thu 13-Dec-12 20:37:26

Stronger please, LaQ. Have just seen bungerlos.

ceeveebee Thu 13-Dec-12 20:37:55

No-one's spelling is this bad. Surely this is a journo pretending to be thick

Angienoonoo123 Thu 13-Dec-12 20:37:59

I graduated from no Charm school I just don't appreciate negative posts from people when all I'm doing is asking opinions when people are rude to me I will genually be rude back!

kinkyfuckery Thu 13-Dec-12 20:38:02

Bungerlos? Seriously?

Why do you assume they pay no rent?

Why are you so rude?

So many questions.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 20:38:36

Do you have specific people in mind, or are all over-65s smelly, dirty and incapable of looking after themselves?

expatinscotland Thu 13-Dec-12 20:38:39

OAPs are exempt from the new rules regarding under-occupying and bedroom tax and tenancy reviews, Natasha.

We lived in a flat with no garden with 3 kids and now with 2. Imagine that!

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:38:56

You've done well then, I only made it as far as givern before my hands spontaneously plucked my eyes out of my head and hid them in this desk drawer, as an act of mercy...

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:40:31

The OP either insulted me...or told me her favourite recipe for chocolate mousse...I have no idea, could be either...can someone translate?

[looks hopeful]

EleanorGiftbasket Thu 13-Dec-12 20:40:37

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

expatinscotland Thu 13-Dec-12 20:40:53

'I'm not saying these old people should be chucked out from there houses they should be givern main priority of we're they would like to live for example bungerlos or maisonettes '

Where are all these bungalows? How are they to manage stairs in a maisonette?

Why is it the council's job to provide people with 3-4 children a house with a garden?

Angienoonoo123 Thu 13-Dec-12 20:41:26

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EleanorGiftbasket Thu 13-Dec-12 20:42:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:44:55

Look...stop it...just stop it now...I'm openly laughing and DH has just asked what's so funny. It's like Xmas has come early, and I don't want to peak too soon...

OP to translate for you:

Lok...stopit...just stop it now...i'm openly laffing and dh has jus arsked whats so funni. it's like chrisma has cum early and i dont want to peek to soon.

kinkyfuckery Thu 13-Dec-12 20:44:58

You are flaming the posters here for being sad and throwing negative comments out when you joined up and posted specifically to post negative comments about all these ancient, poor, incapable pensioners that you know?

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 20:45:00

Love that you ask for opinions and don't like it when you get them.

Cabrinha Thu 13-Dec-12 20:47:27

Laughing too much at "bungerlos" to reply.

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:47:46

"I like 'litually' and 'genually'."

But eleanor down this path lies madness. This presents a microcosm of my argument for stringent spelling/punctuation/grammar. Because if we all skip happily down the path of random phonetic spelling, pretty soon no one is going to understand anything we read.

Litually could mean literally or it could mean virtually. Genually could genuinely or it could mean generally.

It's madness I tell you, madness...

judefawley Thu 13-Dec-12 20:48:32

If, as you claim, your iPhone is responsible for the atrocious spelling, I'd suggest you take it back to the shop forthwith as it's making you look a bit silly.

Bad phone.

LaQueen Thu 13-Dec-12 20:48:34

Oh, God you see I thought bungerlos was actually her shit attempt at spelling burglars grin

Doh...

Cabrinha Thu 13-Dec-12 20:49:33

In fact, bungerlos is so out there, that the iPhone doesn't autocorrect! Even the iPhone is at a loss to wtf a bungerlos could be!!

NatashaBee Thu 13-Dec-12 20:50:34

as for my grammar there is nothing wrong with it

Ahem. I beg to differ. Would you like to borrow some full stops?

mamalovebird Thu 13-Dec-12 20:50:51

Ah see, I was having a really shit day and about to go to bed thoroughly hacked off. This has cheered me up no end.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 13-Dec-12 20:51:12

Shurely it shud bee which's ?

Wind the bobbin up....

EleanorGiftbasket Thu 13-Dec-12 20:52:09

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Theicingontop Thu 13-Dec-12 20:54:04

grin

EleanorGiftbasket Thu 13-Dec-12 20:54:47

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kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 13-Dec-12 20:56:56

Bungalow soldier, dreadlock Rasta

Theicingontop Thu 13-Dec-12 20:58:27

But tbf to OP, it's disgusting how young couples are made to live in low-rent housing with an assured tenancy and a free, brand new kitchen every decade or so while they have as many children as they want. Something must be done.

ariane5 Thu 13-Dec-12 21:13:30

OP do you need a bigger property? Is that the reason you are so angry about oaps in council houses that are too big for them ?

PastalaFestivista Thu 13-Dec-12 21:17:45

<Whiffles nose in the air>

Ah, I smell a journalist ...

OliviaPeaceOnMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 13-Dec-12 21:34:35

AHEM

Dawndonna Thu 13-Dec-12 22:01:03

Oh dear! What on god's green earth is a bungerlos?
Please come back and be genually rude to us OP, I've had quite a good day today and it would really top it off to have a good laugh.

garlicbaubles Thu 13-Dec-12 22:13:43

Not bad, OP, but you overdid the bad writing. Nobody that illiterate goes near a keyboard.

7/10 for the spoof.

0/10 for the social housing policy.

[lightbulb] Are you Iain Duncan Smith?

garlicbaubles Thu 13-Dec-12 22:14:44

Arf at buffaloes, Eleanor.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 22:16:07

Arf at IDS. grin

Pendipidy Thu 13-Dec-12 22:22:25

why are you all so sarcastic and nasty to the op over her spelling and grammar? not everyone has the benefit of a good education or are highly intelligent yet they can still surely have an opinion about something? you all know exactly what she is saying, why can't you educate and explain if you think you know better, rather than patronise and take the micky? do you not think that she is a real person, with feelings ?

on other threads you are all so quick to tell other posters, 'leave your husband, he is emotionally abusive to you, it isn't acceptable for him to put you down, talk to you like crap, take the micky , be sarcastic etc' , yet you are exactly the same to people like the op !

your nasty comments on her spelling are not funny, they just show you as snobby and nasty to people you view as inferior because you can spell and her spelling isn't so good. you should be ashamed of yourselves instead of thinking what a humorous, ironic comment you've just made and how clever you are.

and before anyone comments on my lack of capital letters and punctuation, i am on my phone and its too much hassle!

TalkativeJim Thu 13-Dec-12 22:25:37

OP, I feel that your username is trying to send you a subliminal message.

'Angie! No! Nooo!!!!!'

grin

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 22:27:31

It really didn't start with her grammar or spelling, but her quite vile attitude towards filthy, dirty 65yo+ who allow themselves and their homes to fall into disrepair... I did ask if this applied to all 65yo+ and she didn't answer, so I can only assume it does.

Foul attitude = foul replies. This one was looking for a bunfight, she didn't get it.

If she were really interested in opinions, it would be easy enough to search and read the several long threads there have already been on this topic.

OodKingWenceslas Thu 13-Dec-12 22:51:27

^7/10 for the spoof.

0/10 for the social housing policy.

[lightbulb] Are you Iain Duncan Smith?^

Quote of the week!

Dawndonna Thu 13-Dec-12 23:03:18

As previously stated Pen, it's about attitude. I would not dream of saying anything about grammar, spelling etc if someone appeared to be in a state of distress. This was just plain nasty and judgemental. The person concerned can spell appreciate maisonette and opinions but not bungalow. Obviously looking for trouble.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 23:15:53

I note OP's second post - when there was only one comment re her writing style - has been deleted. I did read it and was struck with the visciousness but can't recall the exact insults she threw. Put it this way, Pen, it really wasn't nice and was probably the reason the thread went downhill as far as OP was concerned.

thekidsrule Thu 13-Dec-12 23:16:27

Pendipidy

agree

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 23:17:15

Ah, I see OP had two posts deleted.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 13-Dec-12 23:49:49

The deleted post contained something along the lines of stupid old hag or such I believe.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 13-Dec-12 23:51:35

That rings a bell, thanks. smile

Pandemoniaa Thu 13-Dec-12 23:54:08

I'm sorry but I cannot allow all this talk of bungerlos and buffaloes to continue without wanting to tell the dreadful old joke about the difference between a buffalo and a bison.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 14-Dec-12 00:03:00

You carnt wash your faice in a buffalo!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 14-Dec-12 00:04:39

Sorry pandemoniaa
blush

Pandemoniaa Fri 14-Dec-12 00:06:29

Nicely punchlined, kitty
grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 14-Dec-12 00:12:53

Thanks grin I tried. It is more of an aural joke though I suppose..

Always makes me think of Eliza Doolittle.

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 14-Dec-12 00:52:27

[lightbulb] Are you Iain Duncan Smith?^

Can't be, if the op was then they would already know that oap's who want to downsize get money to do so,

He would also know that its the tenancy that is currently lifelong ( assuming they do nt breach it) rather than the house, he would also know that councils and ha's have to charge rent and do not just give them out for free.

Iain Duncan smith may be a fool but popular legend has it that he can actually read the current policies he is piss arsing about with.

FlourFace Fri 14-Dec-12 01:16:47

No reason to believe op isn't genuine so I agree with Pen. What a load of rude hags you are.

Social housing is broken. In fact, all housing is. And baby boomers have benefitted enormously from good housing and making profit on property.

So something needs to be done. Maybe the days of a council house for life are over.

Some councils offer a deal - down grade from your big house and we'll give you a new, smaller flat with free care and a few quid thrown in.

I'm open minded about it.

FlourFace Fri 14-Dec-12 01:22:01

Literacy privilege, or, why grammar nazis are dicks boingboing.net/2012/12/13/literacy-privilege-or-why-gr.html

FlourFace Fri 14-Dec-12 01:25:45
Loveweekends10 Fri 14-Dec-12 01:33:43

Do make a habit of laughing at people with dyslexia? Lovely all of you. Not.

Arisbottle Fri 14-Dec-12 01:39:22

If you have a problem with the OPs views fair enough, but to mock someone's level of literacy is cruel and unnecessary

Dawndonna Fri 14-Dec-12 07:28:12

Trust me, the OP doesn't have dyslexia, there is not one indicator of such in the OP.

As has been stated, the deleted post was pretty grim, you know what they say about the whole story......

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Fri 14-Dec-12 07:43:05

Why are you being rude about the OP's spelling. Yes, there are plenty of people with dyslexia who spell this badly - my 14yo DD and my most recent Ex for starters. DD's dad is functionally illiterate. He couldn't even write a letter to DD, he had to dictate it to his wife.

I don't think it's kind to mock someone who obviously has a problem.

And I agree with the OP, anyway.

When you are in a B&B with two DC's and only a single bed, and you can see an OAP letting their house go to rack and ruin, it DOES get frustrating.

My Nan has bought her own home, but has sold, downsized and moved in her 80's as she couldn't keep up with the housework. Hasn't killed her, even though it's the house that she brought up her 5 DC's in, and spent most of her life in.

And she's very frail, and very ill too.

It's a state of mind - she wanted someone else who has a large family to enjoy the benefits of the house that had turned into a bad thing as she got older. Having lots of bedrooms and an upstairs is great when you have a growing family, not so great when you have limited mobility...

FrothyOM Fri 14-Dec-12 07:43:45

They do pay rent.

Stuffingballs Fri 14-Dec-12 07:48:01

Did you watch panarama last night? it was heartbreaking, so Fuck off OP.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Fri 14-Dec-12 07:51:05

And when it comes to social housing, I can't see why this can't apply.

I originally had an old tenancy for life. I happily have that up in order to have a larger home for my DC's. and equally, when my DC's have left home, I will be quite happy to downsize, because I already have limited mobility, and at the point that I no longer NEED the extra bedrooms for my DC's, the size of the house will be like a millstone around my neck, especially wrt cleaning.

I don't see, AS a Social Housing tenant, what is so wrong with enforcing the same rules on all but the frailest of pensioners, on a case by case basis. If moving house would kill that individual pensioner, they could be allowed to stay on medical grounds, surely. Then the rest could be made to move to free up the houses.

The problem with Social Housing is that the chain is broken - there is enough social housing IF people move up and down the chain when necessary. But there is a stall at the top end, which is stalking the whole system, because OAP's aren't being made to downsize.

Social Housing should be based on NEED, and they no longer NEED a property that large!

FlourFace Fri 14-Dec-12 08:32:24

What was it about Panorama that makes you think OP should "fuck off", stuffing?

PessaryPam Fri 14-Dec-12 08:36:17

I agree CouthyMow, but they should be given as much help to do so as possible as downsizing is a big and scary task to do, and often elderly people are not in the best health and maybe recently bereaved. It should be done sensitively and for their benefit too.

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 14-Dec-12 11:41:47

Pessary they already are given that support the problem is a lack of small property's

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Sat 15-Dec-12 14:20:59

Round here there are small bungalows in supported schemes sitting empty because OAP's (and I'm talking 65-75, not really elderly people) are refusing to downsize from their 3/4-bed properties.

Meanwhile I have a friend living in ONE ROOM in a bedsit with her, her DH, and their 3 DC's, as their house was repossessed when he was made redundant.

Why should the 65yo who flies abroad for a holiday each year (so not exactly frail) be allowed to sit in a 3/4 bed house when whole families are crammed into single rooms?

There's just no reasoning behind that other than selfishness.

They won't give up their house so someone else can enjoy raising their family in the larger house like they did.

If Social Housing is based on NEED, then the family of 5 has a greater NEED for the 3-bed property than the single 65yo!

Frailer OAP's could be allowed to stay in their property if a move would make them sicker or kill them by applying to the medical needs board that every LA has, and get special dispensation that way, as they will be able to prove their medical issues mean a move would be detrimental to their health. Simple.

Not unfair on anyone, nobody frail is made sicker by being downsized, yet the less frail, fitter OAP's are freeing up larger properties for young families that NEED them more.

Job done, satisfactorily for all. grin

Anniegetyourgun Sat 15-Dec-12 14:48:29

Or, we could just have more social housing.

OodKingWenceslas Sat 15-Dec-12 15:07:37

Both. I think it needs a re think in each area.our area seems to work on turning down as many as possible and eventually backing down and accepting they need to house people. Fingers in ears appears to be the policy regarding overcrowding.

TakeMyEyesButNotTheMulledWine Sat 15-Dec-12 16:21:13

My FIL lives in a big 3 bed council house alone. He won't move to a smaller place, DP and his sister have been talking to him about it for ages as he struggles with cleaning it due to health problems. DP and SIL both go to help him clean and cutt
he grass etc as he can't manage.

He won't consider a one bed ground floor flat because he likes where he is living.

I love him to bits but it is wrong that he can stay there. Mentally he is well so no reason why he shouldn't move.

He just refuses to.

TakeMyEyesButNotTheMulledWine Sat 15-Dec-12 16:22:11

Phone went crazy for a moment. Excuse the typos.

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