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for not actually knowing who the hell Morrisey is

(217 Posts)
threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:13:05

??
I know he is supposed to be some singer. have seen him on tv.
thought he was shite.
why is he still famous?

teacherpet Wed 12-Dec-12 22:15:48

YAB completely U!!

MasterOfTheChristmasDisaster Wed 12-Dec-12 22:16:18

You are obviously under the age of 25. Bugger off grin

I'm not jealous OR old smile

He's a very important singer, seminal

But a bit twatty unfortunately

Are you very young cos I don't know anyone over 40 who won't know who he is

tilder Wed 12-Dec-12 22:16:44

Am with you there. Assumed it meant a singer of slightly depressing music. Given the references to Morrissey on here, its either someone else entirely or he has a completely.New job description.

I'm 22 and know who he is so YABabitU.
But also lucky, I wish I didn't know who he was...

Adversecalendar Wed 12-Dec-12 22:18:43

I wish I had the pleasure of not knowing. I am of the generation that worshipped him but can remember even as a teen thinking he was an utter twat.

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 12-Dec-12 22:22:55

I'm 24 and know who he is unfortunately

He was big in the 80's OP (I think). Whiny shitty music.

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:24:23

oh I wish I was under 25.
but my ds is 20
why is he an important singer?
if he is that important surely I would know something he had done

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 22:25:01

Well if you don't mind not knowing who the lead singer is from one of Britains most influential bands ever then I guess it doesn't matter.

But he is been a knob, as he often is.

Northernexile Wed 12-Dec-12 22:27:06

Do you really not know the Smiths? Amazing band, but Morrissey, like Bono, becomes incredibly annoying when opening his mouth to speak rather than sing.

BikeRunSki Wed 12-Dec-12 22:27:32

You heard of The Smiths? 1980s indie band. He was their lead singer and song writer. The Smith were a kind of foundation of indie music and "Madchester" (Stone Roses, Happy Mondays etc). They were very young and had some controversial, attention-seeking stunts and lyrics and Morriseey was known for perorming with a daffodil in his pocket.
Many people (of my age group, late 30s/early 40s+) will wax lyrical about the depth and meaning of Morrissey's lyrics, that he is a poet and so on. I'd agree.
Morrissey and The Smiths were a big deal in the 1980s. Morrissey has continued to peform as a solo artist since The Smith broke up in the late 80s. His following is now pretty culty and he can be a bit of a idiot at times.

Wikilink

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 22:27:48

The Smiths were voted as the most influential band ever by NME, above the beatles, above David Bowie.

the Queen Is Dead was voted the best album of all time.

GoldQuintessenceAndMyhrr Wed 12-Dec-12 22:28:23

He is the owner of Morrisons, natch.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 22:28:30
MrsKeithRichards Wed 12-Dec-12 22:29:06

The Smiths really weren't that important.

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:29:39

really above Mr Bowie.
I am shocked
I asked everyone in my house who he was
they just looked at me.....

Northernexile Wed 12-Dec-12 22:29:51

Ah they were ace! How Soon Is Now?

Wallison Wed 12-Dec-12 22:30:28

He's like Morriss but with an ey on the end.

You have a 20 year old son (so are mid thirties at the very least) and don't know who morrissey is? How is that possible? My 7 year old loves the Smiths. Think he has a somewhat bleak outlook on life (at least he hates Justin Bieber)

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 22:31:57

If it hadn't been for The Smiths you wouldn't have had bands and music like Suede, Oasis, possibly Radiohead, Pulp, Elbow. All the madchester bands like The Charlatons, neds Atomic Dustbin, etc.

DoingitOnTheRoofTopWithSanta Wed 12-Dec-12 22:32:06

YABU, EVERYONE knows who he is. I am forrin and even I know grin.

His music was poo and he talks rubbish though,

ReinDearPrudence Wed 12-Dec-12 22:32:30

I'm surprised if anyone over 40 hasn't heard of him/The Smiths, but I don't expect young people will know him. He is annoying now, which is a huge shame.

tilder Wed 12-Dec-12 22:32:41

Ok, tis the same person. Was just surprised to see his views being reported that was all.

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:33:05

I love you jimjams(always have) but no I am lot older.
ds has very good taste in music and has never heard of him.
dd well she has varied musical tastes. from the wanted .....to Blink 182.
I am feeling that maybe I am just very lucky that I don't know his music.

oh his music is great. He is a twat, but the music is fab

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:34:10

VivaLeBeaver i do know Pulp and oasis but never heard of the others.

MrsKeithRichards Wed 12-Dec-12 22:34:25

You can't possibly quantify statements like that though. There's no way of knowing what would have happened without the smiths.

I'm pretty sure decent music prevails regardless of who was in the charts 5 years earlier.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 22:34:52

great songwriter and singer

Shame he's a bit of a twat.

Northernexile Wed 12-Dec-12 22:35:13

You are unlucky if you don't know his music. I am 31, and reckon. I have decent taste in music too grin

IWipeArses Wed 12-Dec-12 22:35:28

He comes out with some shit but he is huge! Your DS may have good taste, but it's limited.

Meglet Wed 12-Dec-12 22:35:55

Morrissey is a bit of a twerp.

But 'London' is the mutts nutts.

DoingitOnTheRoofTopWithSanta Wed 12-Dec-12 22:36:16

You're pronouncing it wrong then. Or something.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 22:36:18

Well you can kind of quantify it when the lead singers from those bands have said that The Smiths were such a massive influence on them and inspired them to form bands, write songs, etc.

DS3's favourite is Bigmouth but because the lyrics aren't hugely suitable for a 7 year old I play him the Ukrainian version

SomersetONeil Wed 12-Dec-12 22:36:31

YANBU.

I'm 39 next week 38 and I wouldn't recognise him in a line-up, nor could I name a single Smiths or Morrisey song. I acknowledge that if some of them were played to me, I'd probably recognise them.

The whole thing blithely passed me by and I do not 'get' him/them at all. DH is a huge Stone Roses fan and does not understand why I don't fall about agog and in awe whenever they are discussed or their music played. Meh...

I'm not British, if that makes any difference. Well I am actually, but my citizenship was only acquired less than a decade ago and I don't live there anymore, so this whole shizz passed me by.

IWipeArses Wed 12-Dec-12 22:37:00

You've never heard of Radiohead?

DoingitOnTheRoofTopWithSanta Wed 12-Dec-12 22:37:28

Varied taste from the wanted to blink 182

grin

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:40:21

I have heard of radiohead(did I miss their name sorry) could not say what they did though.
I can't see the link between Oasis and him though.
Oasis channel John Lennon....

marriedandwreathedinholly Wed 12-Dec-12 22:41:24

Do you mean Van. I had a boyfriend once who was obsessed. I think that's why I didn't think we had a future together. He's OK - but not life or death. Not like Marc Bolan grin

peaceandlovebunny Wed 12-Dec-12 22:41:33

morrissey? i know who he is. my mum threw either him or one of his band members out of her house. i think that's the only person she's ever thrown out.

NaiceDude Wed 12-Dec-12 22:42:53

shock

You are being VERY unreasonable. You deserve the AIBU Award 2012.

(And I am under 25 thankYOUverymuch)

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 22:43:10

Noel Gallagher has talked quite a bit about been influenced by The Smiths.

NaiceDude Wed 12-Dec-12 22:43:26

peace I NEED DETAILS NOW

IWipeArses Wed 12-Dec-12 22:45:07

I'm always amused when people say 'never heard of them' as though it means the famous person isn't so famous and not that the person isn't just showing up their lack of knowledge.

There isn't anything inherently wrong with not having heard of very famous, very influential, culturally significant people, but it is nothing to be proud of. grin

Love The Smiths but Morrisey is an idiot. I have some brilliant songs floating round my head now so thanks threesocks.

RedTinsel Wed 12-Dec-12 22:45:48

I love The Smiths and Morrissey. He does say a lot of twattish stuff some times.
You've missed out if you've never heard The Queen is Dead.

threesocks what music do you listen to? :intrigued:

(We are mostly playing the frigging soundtrack from Oliver at the moment at ds1's insistence. If I hear Consider Yourself one more time I shall scream, I shall scream).

piprabbit Wed 12-Dec-12 22:46:47

You must be very proud OP, to feel the need to come and stealth boast about gaps in your musical knowledge.

JenaiMathis Wed 12-Dec-12 22:47:55

I was going to shout 'heathen' but it occurred to me that I regularly have to ask who the fuck younger performers are, including ones who are apparently important.

The Smiths were hugely influential. Massively. Up there with Bowie for sure.

Although eye-rollingly, toe-curlingly daft, in the utter knob stakes Morrissey is comfortably beaten by Macca. And would've been by Lennon if he hadn't died <runs>

lessemin Wed 12-Dec-12 22:48:52

YABU read a book called The wrong boy.

SantaWearsGreen Wed 12-Dec-12 22:49:35

shock Yabvvvvvu!! I am shocked. I love Morrissey and indeed The Smiths, and I am a young 'un.

Merrylegs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:50:05

Morrissey Morrissey Morrissey.
Morrissey Morrissey Morrisseeeey.
Morrissey Morrissey Morrissey.
Morrissey.
Morrissey.

(Now you know).

Morrisey is an eejit, always has been. But The Smiths, with jonny Barr on guitar were excellent. He s easily the best guitarist ever.

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:50:42

jimjams I would tell you my fave band, but as I name changed it would out me.
I like all kinds of music.

JenaiMathis Wed 12-Dec-12 22:51:26

Johnny Marr is indeed utterly, utterly brilliant.

RedTinsel Wed 12-Dec-12 22:52:28

This Charming Man is work of genius.

The Wanted Pah!

FunnysFuckingFreezing Wed 12-Dec-12 22:52:33

YABU OP, mind you he has always been a total tool so you haven't missed much. Are you about 12?

:intrigued: smile

FunnysFuckingFreezing Wed 12-Dec-12 22:53:38

oh and the Smith's music was always self satisfied bollocks too.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 12-Dec-12 22:54:40

The Smiths were seminal.

Morrissey is a Twatty Arbuckle

Neds weren't from Manchester they were from stourbridge.

FunnysFuckingFreezing Wed 12-Dec-12 22:57:56

The Smiths were crap. I was 16 when they surfaced and hated them. Nambypamby mother fuckers grin

I was far more hard core innit

yy: The Smiths will always be important and Morrissey will always be a twat.

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 22:59:37

I am not going to tell you my age.....
I am old ok,
I have a feeling that I just missed all this crap music.
I must have been of listening to something else

RedTinsel Wed 12-Dec-12 23:01:59

Well if you've never heard of them, how do you know they were crap? You have a whole thread full telling you how influential and utterly brilliant The Smiths are.

Ds2 looks like Johnny Marr. He is also the biggest dude going. He's only four!

Oldandcobwebby Wed 12-Dec-12 23:05:27

YABVU. Morrissey has given me the will to live since 1983, when I first heard him on the John Peel show.

All other singers are an irrelevance.

His concerts are a religious experience - his fans literally worship him.

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 23:05:53

I havn't called them crap. just can't get why this man's opinion counts for anything.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 12-Dec-12 23:09:38

Threesocks, you seem to have missed a lot of bands and music.

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 23:11:02

maybe....
but I have a feeling I didn't miss a lot.
am wondering where I was, when they were all famous though<<scratches head>>>

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 12-Dec-12 23:14:03

His opinion counts no more than yours or mine.

His music, or actually that of The Smiths, was influential.

EllenParsons Wed 12-Dec-12 23:19:12

YAbvu and I also think its a bit off that you're calling the smiths crap when you don't even know their music or who morrissey is!! I know you just said you didn't say they were cap but having just read the thread, you clearly did say that a couple of times. Bit embarrassing having such a massive gap in your general knowledge (which knowledge of very very well known music is) tbh

EllenParsons Wed 12-Dec-12 23:19:59

Also unsure why you are being smug about not knowing!

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 23:25:30

I apologise I did put crap
so I put my hands up to that, reading back I missed it blush.
I do like a fred like this though as it does show how we see the same person so differently.
oh and love the thought that someone said

"You are obviously under the age of 25. Bugger off "

MrsKeithRichards Wed 12-Dec-12 23:27:52

Ellen a lot of people go through life not knowing anything about music. It doesn't make them stupid.

he is god....true fact wink

threesocksfullofchocs Wed 12-Dec-12 23:29:13

I know who Keith Richards is

I hate Morrissey. HATE him.

He sounds like a depressed cat being stood on ibuprofen every song.

*in not ibuprofen confused

Arthurfowlersallotment Wed 12-Dec-12 23:32:44

The Smiths and later Mozzer did not make depressing music. It's actually full of humour and clever observation. Much of it is genius in my opinion.

OP, yabu for starting such a thread.

Iwearblack Wed 12-Dec-12 23:34:34

I wear black on the outside cause black is how I feel on the inside... And if i seem a little strange, that's because I am ....

Morrissey? Never heard of him ....

TuftyFinch Wed 12-Dec-12 23:40:56

Morissey did to music what Shelagh Delaney did to playwriting.
Hand in Glove.
I understand people not liking him. I don't understand people not knowing who he is.

MrsTerrysChocolateOrange Wed 12-Dec-12 23:43:53

Maybe you are too old rather than too young grin

The Smiths are far and away the best band in the world, ever. However, Morrissey has a giant, huge stupid mouth, comes out with racist, sexist, ignorant crap constantly. I once had the chance to meet him, I loved The Smiths but decided not to meet him, since it would have been a massive disappointment.

Please YouTube Please, please, please let me get what I want.

Thanks for starting this thread, I am immersed in a YouTube Smiths-fest.

TuftyFinch Wed 12-Dec-12 23:44:18

Punctured bicycle on a hillside
Desolate
Will nature make a man of me yet

Arthurfowlersallotment Thu 13-Dec-12 03:57:40

Why pamper life's complexities when the leather runs smooth on the passenger seat?

YokoUhOh Thu 13-Dec-12 05:30:44

The Smiths are brilliant. Morrissey is a CU Next Tuesday.

When talking about The Smiths, can we please give an honourable mention to Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke (rhythm section), who bring a bit of funk to proceedings (Barbarism Begins At Home, Smiths fans...?) and who were royally screwed over by Morrissey in court. What did the judge call him at the time? Truculent and unreliable, IIRC.

redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 06:34:01

I fuckin LOVE Morrissey. Yes he opens his mouth and his opinions are generally bollocks HOWEVER he knows exactly what he is doing and there are at least 3 threads about his opinions on here - do you think that ANY of the current batch of singers will have that effect in 20 years time?

peaceandlovebunny Thu 13-Dec-12 06:38:30

peace I NEED DETAILS NOW

nothing to do with me! i was living elsewhere at the time.

my brother knew a lot of people and some would go round to my parents' house.its all a long time ago but i think the story went that his smiths mate/s came along and my mum threw one of them out for wearing make up. she'd been through the bowie era with me - she was used to the idea of men in make-up. i don't know what her problem was. she was volatile in those days. i always thought it was morrissey she threw out but i wasn't there...

he came to the place i work when he was 'revisiting old haunts' one time. he gave me that 'you know who i am' look, but he was wrong. i had to ask someone.

re court - i heard mike joyce was glad it was over and is making a good living...

RobinsBaubleSparkles Thu 13-Dec-12 06:57:19

I have heard of Morrissey and I have heard of The Smiths, although I haven't got a clue what they sing. I might, if I heard one think "oh yes, I've heard that."

I'm 29 though and if they split in 1987 I would be too young to remember.

GambasAndCava Thu 13-Dec-12 06:57:25

Anyone in their early 30s or older must have spent their teenage/twenties with their head in a box to not know who Morrissey/The Smiths are, even if they were into pop/dance music at these ages.

They were MASSIVE and continue to be popular today. Morrissey was and is a twat though.

redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 07:01:09

ROBINS remember last years John Lewis Christmas advert with that awful whiney woman and a piano? THAT was a fuckin awful version of one of The Smiths most beautiful songs

Kytti Thu 13-Dec-12 07:05:55

Ah. The Smiths. I am of that generation. I didn't get them for ages. He's OK, but I never really understood all the hype.

Then again, what do I know?

My hairdresser had no idea who Nick Cave was the other day. I felt ancient. confused

PessaryPam Thu 13-Dec-12 07:08:07

Morrisey is a a total cock!

Valdeeves Thu 13-Dec-12 07:13:18

I think you probably had your hands full when he was around and didn't watch much TV!

FiercePanda Thu 13-Dec-12 07:16:15

I'm 29 and have loved the Smiths and some of Morrissey's solo work for as long as I can remember.

Moz is a total fannybaws, though. Stupid boy.

XiCi Thu 13-Dec-12 08:13:23

I love the way some people say, oh I'm in my 20s so wouldn't remember.
As if none of us have any knowledge of anything that happened before our birth date. Like saying Elvis who?? The Beatles??? There was a 2nd World War?? Oh that must have happened before I was born so I couldn't possibly know!! Don't know whether its funny or just really sad
OP you seem really pleased with yourself that you are so ignorant about music. Have a listen to the Smiths, they are truly genius, no matter what your opinion of Morrissey might be. As for the age thing, I went to see Smiths Indeed recently thinking it woukld just be all oldies like me and was quite surprised that it was mostly people aged 18-24 there. The music is timeless
Love your comment OP about the varied tastes of your dd from the wanted to blink 182 grin. That has really made my day

noddyholder Thu 13-Dec-12 08:19:01

Soundtrack to my youth love him!

LucilleBluth Thu 13-Dec-12 08:33:47

God of all Mancs and the holy one to lovers of good music smile

Personally I love his big mouth, yes he spouts some shite but wouldn't it be boring without people like Mozza.

Bunbaker Thu 13-Dec-12 08:38:44

The Smiths were OK instrumentally - the guitarist was brilliant, but as soon as Morrissey opened his mouth and sang out of tune I mentally switched off.

I'm so miserable now,drone, drone.

I am being unreasonable now grin

Never understood the whole Smiths thing. I'm in my mid-twenties, so it was a bit before my time, but every song I've heard of theirs is crap. The guy can't even sing, he just droned through all the songs. Don't get how that's good, or why so many people loved them.

Then again, I constantly get incredulous looks when I say I don't like any Beatles songs either, so clearly I'm some sort of hipster weirdo grin

MrsKeithRichards Thu 13-Dec-12 09:14:17

I can't believe how uptight some people are getting because one person hasn't heard of or gushes over The Smiths or indeed Morrissey.

RedToothbrush Thu 13-Dec-12 09:26:19

Even if you are in your 20s you SHOULD know who Morrissey is, if you have deep love of music, particularly Indie music but his influence isn't restricted to just that genre nor indeed Manchester. But for starters on a very basic level: No Smiths = No Stone Roses = No Oasis (though perhaps more for the Johnny Marr side of things)

However Morrissey's lyrics were intellectual, challenging and political - perhaps in a way that punk had first started but he took it one step further in depth. He was closer to an old style traditional poet than a pop star. He did tend to sing about miserable people and the dreariness of life. He therefore tended to appeal to intelligent moody teenagers who wanted to stay in their bedroom and thought the world hated them - but often missed the sarcasm, witt and irony of his lyrics. He was probably inspired the whole Emo movement.

You don't actually have to like Morrissey's music; you just need to know who Morrissey is. Morrissey and The Smiths are one of the major junctions on the road map of British Music. I definitely wouldn't put him above Bowie on the influence list, but he does deserve a pretty high rank.

I go between phases of liking what he did, and thinking The Smiths/Morrissey are utter dirge.

His unique way of singing that bore no relation to the tune is brilliant; in fact you can sing any article from the newspaper in Morrissey fashion to pretty much any Smiths tune and it fits.

On a personal level though Morrissey was and definitely still is a Professional Cunt who makes a living out of being Miserable Bastard with the sensitivity of a T-Rex in a China Shop (forget the bull, hes on a whole different scale).

His controversial views have led to him being labelled as a racist (he had an ongoing dispute with NME for years until they finally settled up out of court when Morrissey decided he probably should get a bit more publicity for his flagging career and could be bothered to get round to suing them four years after making the comments that sparked this particular controversy, though he'd made remarks in a similar vein for many years previously). He's possibly the most well known and vocal anti-royalist, so his remarks about Kate aren't unexpected. He's a militant vegetarian and has said he understood why activists use violence and last year made this tasteful remark two days after the Brevik Massacre "We all live in a murderous world, as the events in Norway have shown, with 97 dead. Though that is nothing compared to what happens in McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken every day."

As I say. Cunt. Of the Highest Order of Cunts.

And thats probably how he'll be remembered rather than as being a musician.

Pretty sad legacy for a man of his talent tbh.

Mockingcurl Thu 13-Dec-12 09:29:03

The Smiths are bloody amazing. My 23 year old ds plays their music constantly.

Btw, wasn't it a gladioli in his back pocket, not a daffodil?

YoHoHoAndABottleOfSherry Thu 13-Dec-12 09:32:00

YANBU, I am mid thirties, and also didn't know who he was. Well I had a vague idea he was a singer, couldn't have named the band, or even if it was a band or solo artist, couldn't have named or hummed anything he wrote/played, haven't heard of the Smiths...

DH despairs of my total lack of interest in popular culture grin.

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 09:33:36

How can you be an 'important' singer?

I am 35 and had never heard of him.

HairyGrotter Thu 13-Dec-12 09:36:17

Any fan of decent music will know of Morrissey. The Smiths are a seminal band in UK music history, simple as. Their music is STILL excellent and forever will be. They paved the way for many bands, including some of the shite drivel that is knocking about now.

Morrissey himself is a bellshine, but The Smiths/Morrissey (some of it, lets be honest) stuff is important to music!

YABFU

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 09:39:49

Must be a UK thing.

redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 09:41:38

MockingCurl I've seen photos of him with gladioli, daffodils and even a bush in his back pocket

You can been an Important Singer if you (and your band) influence GENERATIONS of musicians. Like someone said - no Smiths = No Stone Roses = No Oasis. Bands like that are vital to the British music industry and will produce future inspirational music

NagooHoHoHo Thu 13-Dec-12 09:44:11

People say 'I like all kinds of music me, I've got really eclectic taste' when what they mean is, '[insert pop radio station] have never played a song I didn't like' ALL THE TIME. It drives me nuts.

Anyway YANBU not to know who he is, YABU to dismiss him because the music isn't your cup of tea. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it culturally irrelevant.

Anniegetyourgun Thu 13-Dec-12 09:44:43

Well, I'm in my 50s and had heard of him/them, but only because he keeps being quoted in the news. Just went to the link someone kindly provided earlier and listened to about half of "please let me get what I want" and decided I really hadn't missed much unless the majority of their output is a lot more interesting than that. However, I can see what someone else said about it expressing one's feelings at a certain time of one's life so that will be why some people feel it's so influential, whereas others (emphatically including myself) do not and probably never will get it. No doubt I am moved by a lot of stuff that would leave many of older or younger generations going "wtf?"

As for saying that without the Smiths there would be no Oasis, you say that like it's a bad thing. DS1 was well into Oasis when he lived with me and didn't have headphones. Nuff said.

SinisterBuggyMonth Thu 13-Dec-12 09:47:14

I think the Smiths are the biggest alternative band ever, I am amazed you've managed to not hear them, do you have a radio or TV?

But if you've never strayed from the path of mainstream music, dont bother, you wont get it.

If "No Smiths = No Stone Roses = No Oasis", can I go back in time and kill Morrissey? grin

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 09:49:51

Yeah, but what would actually have happened if they had never happened? Music would be different? So what? Still don't see how you can be an 'important' singer.

Anyway, had never heard of him or The Smiths and now I think it is a nob. So there you go.

RedToothbrush Thu 13-Dec-12 09:50:28

You'd also loose out on a lot of other great bands Galaxy. And if you kill Morrissey how do you know we wouldn't be subjected to another even more obnoxious turd?

HairyGrotter Thu 13-Dec-12 09:51:00

This thread makes me both happy and sad. Much like The Smiths music grin

Anniegetyourgun Thu 13-Dec-12 09:52:55

RedToothbrush, are you suggesting it is possible for there to be a more obnoxious turd? I do hope you're wrong.

HairyGrotter Thu 13-Dec-12 09:55:38

Who could fill those big Obnoxious Turd Morrissey boots?

Arcticwaffle Thu 13-Dec-12 09:56:09

I would say yabu, and the thought adults not knowing the Smiths makes me feel very old, but then I'm a bit hazy on who the Kardashians are, the name is everywhere but I've no idea what they do. or if they're a band.

RedToothbrush Thu 13-Dec-12 10:00:45

Its a scary thought its it?

Mind you without the likes of Morrissey you'd have a whole in music history in this country which would leave Stock, Aiken and Waterman unchallenged. Wet, Wet, Wet would have been cutting edge. The Spice Girls and Take That would have been even more popular. And I think we'd be listen to a lot more American based music. Not that in its self, thats a terribly bad thing, as theres some great American bands out there... until you start thinking about how much modern American music also took influence from what was going on over in Britain and took back all the influences from The Smiths and all the bands that were in turn influenced by them.

Its a pretty bleak picture then!

RedToothbrush Thu 13-Dec-12 10:01:12

hole not whole*

TeWisBeenNargledByTheMistletoe Thu 13-Dec-12 10:02:40

I've heard of him, bit am meh both about the smith and the bands they influenced (oasis for example are crap).

I do like a lot of indie music but not that particular sub-genre, and i can see how others who don't like it wouldn't''ve heard of him.

Also, he clearly talks bollocks.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Thu 13-Dec-12 10:08:34

YABU for spelling his name wrong in the title! Morrissey is amazing. Some of his comments are contraversial but having read what he said it, was more a dig at the royal family than anything else.

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 10:19:54

Nah, he just piggy backed on the tragic death of a woman in order to get his name (back?) in the spotlight. Like he gives a fuck about that poor nurse. What a prick.

It worked too, I had never heard of him and now I have.

Ironically only last night I introduced my daughters aged 4 and 6 to the delights of the Smiths via You Tube ('How Soon is now' and 'bigmouth strikes again') they declared themselves fans then asked for 'Toxic' by B Spears (it is on Wii dance).grin

The Smiths were an important early influence for me, showing how music could be intelligent, witty and have a lush guitar sound but they had split before I had really got into them - I like some of Morrissey's solo work (Suedehead and You're the one for me Fatty! for instance) but I have to say my huge admiration is reserved mainly for his work with the Smiths. I regard him now much as one does a well respected but embarrassing aging Uncle, who comes out with some cringe-worthy shite at times but is still worthy of your admiration. Music is such an important part of my life and The Smiths, especially Morrissey and Marr have had a huge impact, not just on me, their partnership has produced influential and inspirational albums that are still listened to now and I am sure will continue to be enjoyed by future generations.

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Mandy2003 Thu 13-Dec-12 10:38:56

A Famous Virgin.

(I should think so, anyway!) grin

Urgh Oasis I remember when they were no marks playing in a park, getting cans of lager thrown at them by pissed up Prestonians! Thoses were the days grin

SallyCinnamonandNutmeg Thu 13-Dec-12 10:48:25

Don't find it unreasonable you have never heard of him but actually a bit unbelievable.... As many many posters above have mentioned, he may have a penchant these days for making highly controversial & offensive comments designed to anger legions of mums (and others!) - but in the 80s he was a true innovator, an inspirational lyricist and a seminal musician.

Manchester so much to answer for! wink

RedToothbrush Thu 13-Dec-12 10:54:31

Selected Morrissey quotes for the MN Judge, Jury and Executioners to devour!:

On Bandaid
"One can have great concern for the people of Ethiopia, but it's another thing to inflict daily torture on the people of England"

On China (interview with Guardian from 2010 so post NME row)
"Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies."

On being racist
"Not everybody is absolutely stupid. Why on earth would I be racist, what would I be trying to achieve?"

On the Royals (from 2011)
"I don't think the so-called royal family speak for England now and I don't think England needs them. I do seriously believe that they are benefit scroungers and nothing else. I don't believe they serve any purpose whatsoever."

On life
"Nothing is important, so people, realising that, should get on with their lives, go mad, take their clothes off, jump in the canal, jump into one of those supermarket trolleys, race around the supermarket and steal Mars bars and kiss kittens."

On Richard Madeley
"He referred to me as an 'insufferable puffed-up prat'. This is a bit rich coming from a man who actually married his own mother."

On Vic Reeves
"If met Vic Reeves, I'd have no desire other than to smack him in the face."

On being vegetarian two days after the Brevik Massacre
"We all live in a murderous world, as the events in Norway have shown, with 97 dead. Though that is nothing compared to what happens in McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken every day."

On Animal Welfare
"With people in the world such as Jamie Oliver and Clarissa Dickson-Wright there isn't much hope for animals.”

On the Brit Awards
"The Brits are ghastly. I never would accept a Brit. It would be like Laurence Olivier being happy getting a TV Times award."

On his solo career
"The press only write about me in terms of the Smiths story, and the fact that I've had three solo number one albums - or even 25 years of eventful solo activity - is never mentioned anywhere. Odd."

On his sex appeal
“I think I must be, absolutely, a total sex object. In every sense of the word."

On Mental Health
“I have seen one or two psychiatrists. They just sit and nod and doodle.”

On dance music
“It's the refuge for the mentally deficient. It's made by dull people for dull people.”

On blandness
“Don't talk to me about people who are 'nice' cause I have spent my whole life in ruins because of people who are 'nice'.”

On being controversial
“I've never intended to be controversial but it's very easy to be controversial in pop music because nobody ever is.”

On being miserable
“What's the first thing I do when I wake up in the morning? Wish I hadn't.”

On life
"Sometimes I wish I was just a simple drunkard."

That Richard Madeley quote is genius - I am sure we could come up with a raft of bollocky quotes from him! grin

But yep Moz is a twat much of the time these days but I can't bring myself to hate him unlike Richard Madeley

GreatCongas Thu 13-Dec-12 11:12:46

Varied taste from the wanted to blink 182 grin
If you had said from the wanted to pantera I would agree that's varied
Or from Kylie to slipknot then yeah

Morriseys music is great
Morrissey himself is a twat

snuffaluffagus Thu 13-Dec-12 11:15:45

:O I'm amazed you don't know who Mozz is. I adore his music and his antics amuse me.. but yes, he's a twat and says stupid things for effect but I still love him.

I think it was Pete Paphides who said recently "every now and then, Morrissey just wants us all to look at him for a while."

GreatCongas Thu 13-Dec-12 11:22:45

Also not sure of crediting the smiths with the madchester scene. Happy Mondays were pre smiths and James were the same year . New order were also before.

HairyGrotter Thu 13-Dec-12 11:23:30

Perfect, absolutely perfect

I think it was Pete Paphides who said recently "every now and then, Morrissey just wants us all to look at him for a while."

JenaiMathis Thu 13-Dec-12 12:38:10

That is indeed excellent grin

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redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 13:27:31

THIS

On being controversial
“I've never intended to be controversial but it's very easy to be controversial in pop music because nobody ever is.”

Is why he is the way he is - he knows that he can come out with statements to be controversial and that papers like the Guardian will print them.

Is it only me who would shag him senseless? From a bequiffed skinny runt to portly old man I still would over and over again Obvs I would have to gag him

redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 13:28:40

I adore James too but I think that Moz has to take credit for getting their name out there by pushing for them to be The Smiths support band and doing live covers of one of their songs

"spending warm, summer days indoors ... writing frightening verse to a buck-toothed girl in Luxembourg".

Don't we all know someone like that ??

RedToothbrush Thu 13-Dec-12 14:12:22

I have come across plenty of people who would shag him senseless over the years unfortunately rediac. They also all happen to be mad as a box of frogs including one who did actually hang outside his house on a regular basis.

redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 14:18:37

red I will put my hand up to being as mad as a small box of frogs then smile Its Mozza's fault I will only lust after skinny men with no bum in their jeans

Inkymalinky Thu 13-Dec-12 14:49:34

The man is a genius.

laptopdancer Thu 13-Dec-12 15:02:36

Im with the OP. Im 47 and had no clue who he was.

Tanith Thu 13-Dec-12 19:33:25

DH loves the Smiths; quotes their lyrics all the time. He wants "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" at his funeral (I keep threatening him with "O Happy Day" wink).

I'm with Bunbaker, though. Music is great until <Steven?> Morrissey opens his mouth and starts droning.

I liked How Soon Is Now and one or two others. I thought Suffer Little Children was sick.
Mostly, I thought they sounded as though Morrissey was singing a completely different song to the rest of the band.

maleview70 Thu 13-Dec-12 21:05:26

Half of what he says I reckon is out of complete boredom during the interviews.

He has probably been interviewed a thousand times and these questions will raise their head in one form or another everytime:

"so will the smiths reform?"
"what do you think of the royal family"
"are you gay?"
"what do you feel about the treatment of animals?"
"why haven't you got a record contract?"
"where do you live nowadays?"
"are you still in contact with johnny marr?"
"what are your views on Jamie Oliver/Gordon Ramsey/Hairy bikers etc etc

Journalists are so tedious in their questionning he must be bored shitless.

Some of his views are ridiculous but PETA is very important to him and his love of animals is something that surely deserves some applause.

Hunting animals for human pleasure can never be right.

threesocksfullofchocs Thu 13-Dec-12 21:17:27

Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
I have heard that.
sadly
he has a very annoying voice.

Fakebook Thu 13-Dec-12 21:26:42
marquesas Thu 13-Dec-12 21:27:52

I think The Smiths coud only be considered to be important/influential to those who like that kind of Madchester music. In overall terms I don't think they've had much impact - are they known outside the UK?

I know who they are, have seen them live, don't particularly like their music but it doesn't surprise me at all that other people don't know who Morrisey is.

And as a general point unless your're talking about President Obama/The Queen or Simon Cowell no one is ever unreasonable not to have heard of someone.

threesocksfullofchocs Thu 13-Dec-12 21:28:51

Fakebook funny but wrong on both accounts.

Back2Two Thu 13-Dec-12 21:30:19

The Smiths

Someone on this thread said they made "whiny, shitty music"

The Smiths?

Listen again.

Fakebook Thu 13-Dec-12 21:31:54

Aaw well.

Back2Two Thu 13-Dec-12 21:33:25

I wouldn't class The Smiths as part of the Madchester" music scene.
From Manchester yes but not like the Stone Roses or Happy Mondays style of music at all

redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 21:39:00

The Smiths/Morrissey have a HUGE following outside the UK. It's not just Madchester style bands they have influenced, Pantera and System of a Down cite them as influences

LynetteScavo Thu 13-Dec-12 21:42:28

I'm just bemused that people don't know who he is.

It's British culture, innit.

AtAmber Thu 13-Dec-12 21:43:04

There is a programme about The Smiths on Radio 2 tonight at 10pm. Why don't you listen to it? You might learn something.

GingersarealwaysToms Thu 13-Dec-12 22:04:13

Couldn't agree more with Xici and RedToothBrush. All these "it was before my time, I'm so yooouung" comments are absolute disingenuous shite. You know you're supposed to have heard of him. Gawd, Billy Holiday, The Kinks, Cream (bit random but I'm going for eclectic) were all before my time but can appreciate them and listen to them. The whole point of anything good: music, writing, visual art is that it's timeless.

redlac Thu 13-Dec-12 22:05:44

Thanks AtAmber - listening to it now and pleased they started with Hamdsome Devil smile

CuriousMama Thu 13-Dec-12 22:11:21

Wow just wow.

I'm a huge Smiths fan. Yes Morrissey has some issues and doesn't come across well in interviews but the music is amazing. Even if you didn't like his singing voice the actual music is amazing.

I used to listen to it when getting ready to go out with the lasses (80s) No one would get ready at mine as they couldn't stand it grin

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 22:16:02

In the 1980s I was living about 100km West of Bourke, NSW.

English pop music was not terribly relevant there.

SomeTiggyPudding Thu 13-Dec-12 22:40:14
vivizone Fri 14-Dec-12 01:00:23

I have never heard or seen this man or his band in my life. He has just popped up of nowhere. I'm in my early 30's.

laptopdancer Fri 14-Dec-12 07:07:26

I'm with you morloth. (except not in Bourke, bit north from you)

laptopdancer Fri 14-Dec-12 07:09:21

Wondering how many people on here know who Paul Kelly or Dave Faulkner are....

Northernexile Fri 14-Dec-12 07:51:14

Not comparable in any way Laptopdancer, honestly!

laptopdancer Fri 14-Dec-12 07:52:46

I know but they were the first ones that came to mind . grin

Merrylegs Fri 14-Dec-12 08:43:33

You know when the NME practically became the New Morrissey Express?

I propose a gathering of all the Mozzer threads and turning MN into one glorious Morrisseynet. Just for a day.

And after that we need never speak of the curmudgeonly old troubadour again. (Unless we want to. For he is the bees knees wink).

PinkCashmere Fri 14-Dec-12 09:06:05

Sorry, but I just have to..

"I am the son, and the heir
Of a shyness that is criminally vulgar
I am the son and heir
Of nothing in particular

You shut your mouth
How can you say
I go about things the wrong way
I am human and I need to be loved
Just like everybody else does"

The Smiths are legendary. Morrissey talks shite sometimes though, it's true. I think we should have a Smiths lyric-a-thon, just to show the sceptics how brilliant lyrically Morrissey can be.

SomersetONeil Fri 14-Dec-12 09:13:32

But sorry to say Pink - those lyrics are only great if you think they're great.

Otherwise, well, meh. I've never read/heard those before and I realise that makes me an utter ignoramus as far as this thread goes. But I'm not exactlly blown away. :-/

PinkCashmere Fri 14-Dec-12 09:19:19

Then listen to it.

How Soon Is Now

Learn to love the Smiths for the genius they are! wink

ReindeerOutdoors Fri 14-Dec-12 09:23:31

Love The Smiths.

Just had to say that.

WandaDoff Fri 14-Dec-12 09:45:56

I barely know who he is. He's only in my conciousness for the stupid remarks & comments he makes.

'Heaven knows I'm miserable now' is the only song of his that I can think of off the top of my head.
The Smiths pretty much passed me by completely, I'm 32.

I had no idea this was unusual. shock

SinisterBuggyMonth Fri 14-Dec-12 10:15:11

The lyrics were great because so much chart music then and now have very aspirational lyrics, either "i want the love of my life/i'm with the love of my life/i've lost the life". the smiths lyrics were far more honest, Pulp did this too.

Animation Fri 14-Dec-12 11:59:56

Don't believe he's above David Bowie - blimey!

I always thought he was a bit over rated - he had a a couple of good songs with very original lyrics.

I'm also a bit confused to this ooohh Morrissey. confused

iseetinselandtantrums Fri 14-Dec-12 12:19:02

Agree totally with marquesa and Pete Paphides.

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Dromedary Fri 14-Dec-12 12:28:55

I'm over 40 and have no idea who he is. Vaguely recognise the name though. I now feel v v ashamed and will go onto Youtube asap to experience his music. Have recently done the same with DC with Justin Bieber, One Direction and PSY. Love PSY. This was valiant attempt to ensure that DC doesn't end up like me - with no knowledge of such seminal figures!

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 14-Dec-12 12:46:46

PinkCashmere - just having a Youtube Smithsfest now, thank you!

Heres Another

I was a teen in the 80's and was a massive Smiths fan. I used to hang on Morrissey's every word.... <wistful>

Morrissey/Marr = Legend.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 14-Dec-12 12:57:49

Btw - I always notice the posters with Smiths lyrics in their NN's on here - and I always love you for it!

This one has been nicked for so many ads now... And wasn't it originally a b-side?

Those heady days when you bought a vinyl single, or if you were really keen the 12 inch version. Happy memories smile

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 14-Dec-12 12:59:53

Smithsfest here for anyone wanting to acquaint themselves.

Last post I promise!

redlac Fri 14-Dec-12 13:03:11

I ranted and raved so much about that awful John Lewis advert which murdered Please, Please last year - bloody awful cover version.

You can't improve on perfection and that song is perfect

JenaiMathis Fri 14-Dec-12 13:08:37

That made me quite murderous. I almost boycotted Waitrose.

sockmuppet Fri 14-Dec-12 13:10:20

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1Q1ehL_twE

Political innit!

How can you not know who the Smiths are?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 14-Dec-12 13:11:42

Ha ha - me too Redlac & Jenai.

redlac Fri 14-Dec-12 13:26:01
PinkCashmere Fri 14-Dec-12 13:38:24

Cheers Sabrina. I can't bring myself to think about that John Lewis ad. Am currently having a Smithsfest too. I think Morrissey spoke to every angst-ridden 80's teenager.

I can remember really liking this boy at school, everyone else thought he was a bit of a loser, he didn't have many friends. I never plucked up the courage to ask him out. The Smiths song 'Reel around the Fountain' (not one of the Smith's best, admittedly) had the line 'people see no worth in you, oh but I do'. Whenever I hear that song I remember sitting in my bedroom pining over this boy.

He's happily married and reasonably successful btw.

redlac Fri 14-Dec-12 13:42:55

I LOVE Reel Around the Fountain! Mind you there aren't many songs that I don't like.

giveitago Fri 14-Dec-12 14:14:38

Oooh loved the smiths (but not what morrisey has given out politically since) but Bowie is my absolute musical hero.

JenaiMathis Fri 14-Dec-12 15:16:34

Reel Around the Fountain reminds me of my first real love the one that got away.

Girl Afraid is another excellent song for the pining teen.

SallyCinnamonandNutmeg Fri 14-Dec-12 17:30:23

I love the fact that a thread which started about someone not knowing who Morrissey was has turned into a thread with links to loads of fantastic Smiths songs which I haven't heard in ages.

Just listened to "Bigmouth Strikes Again" - apt title in view of the quotes which started all this MN Morrissey hoo-ha!

Favourite is "How Soon is Now" though - would Morrissey have been Morrissey without Marr's swooning guitar??

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 14-Dec-12 17:59:37

Sally, no - I don't think he would. I know he's still got a great following, but it's just not the same without Marr's guitar is it? (I hated Marr for ages for leaving the Smiths blush )

One more: Way to get revenge on your old headmaster

OxfordBags Fri 14-Dec-12 18:20:58

Morrissey's twattishnessis as great as his music. The Smiths are one of the most important and influential bands in late 20C music. You'll not find a critic or serious music fan who would argue differently, even if his music is not to their personal taste. Am truly amazed people haven't heard of him.

They summed up an era, gave focus to a generation when things were really shit under Thatcher for ordinary people. For fans, their music transports you back to your youth, a time when everything was so bleak and yet so intense and unhappily wonderful all at once. They sum up the frustration, the loneliness, the paradoxically egotistical self-loathing, the grubbiness, the feelings of being limited and wanting to break out of your crappy little hometown you felt as a teen or young person. At his solo concerts now, grown men with high-powered careers storm the stage to grab him, kiss his hand, sobbing deliriously as they have to be pulled off by security. I mean, that's daft, but it's an example of how important he is, culturally. For many fans, The Smiths are a form of religion.

How anyone could her the lyrics of This Charming Man, for example, and not be moved, is beyond me (a huge fan. Although not the OTT kind!).

BTW, Johnny Marr is how you say "I'm fed up" phonetically in French, trivia fans!

JenaiMathis Fri 14-Dec-12 18:28:04

Indeed Oxford. It's my usual name (I'm currently sporting the Christmas version) grin

aJumpedUpChristmasElf Fri 14-Dec-12 18:42:07

How did I miss this thread (am usually PantryBoy but am in Christmas disguise)

My love of The Smiths is equal only to DHs capacity to ridicule them grin

I too always notice Smiths inspired names

JenaiMathis Fri 14-Dec-12 18:55:35

There are a LOT of us on MN. We ought to have a meet-up of our own. An MN Smiths convention grin

ChristmasElf, it was about 20 years before I found out it was "pantry boy" in the song, not "country boy" (along with various other misheard Smiths lyrics). The internet makes life so much clearer. Maybe.

HairyGrotter Fri 14-Dec-12 19:16:05

Waa I missed The Smiths 'love-in' earlier, but I'll throw my contribution in!

Lovely

DublinMammy Fri 14-Dec-12 19:21:01

Adore the Smiths, hate it when Morrissey opens his mouth and something twattish comes out.... Is it possible that unless you heard them first at the "right" time in your life (young, teenager, struggling a bit in some way), you just never "get" them?

For what it's worth, here's my favourite.

aJumpedUpChristmasElf Fri 14-Dec-12 19:42:49

They provided the perfect soundtrack for the angst-ridden teenage years.

noddyholder Fri 14-Dec-12 19:50:11

Jonny marr came into the restaurant I worked in nearly every day for a vegi breakfast in the late 80s

JenaiMathis Fri 14-Dec-12 19:53:58

I just loved bringing a new record home and checking the scrawl on the bit of vinyl between the grooves and the label. Is there an actual name for those wee messages?

I used to bunk off school to buy the singles on the day they came out (Mondays?). Saved up my dinner money to do so. <wistful>

JenaiMathis Fri 14-Dec-12 19:54:44

noddy envy

merrymouse Fri 14-Dec-12 20:05:24

No OP, YANBU. Can remember lots of angsty 5th years with 'smiths' written on their army surplus bags,but only the odd line of their music and certainly wouldn't choose to listen to it now.

As influential as Bowie? Pfshhnghhrr. I think most people would struggle to name 3 Smiths songs (assuming they were a teenager in the 80's).

KenDoddsDadsDog Fri 14-Dec-12 20:17:38

I'm surprised you haven't heard of him / The Smiths.
Soundtrack to my teenage years and still played over and over.

aJumpedUpChristmasElf Fri 14-Dec-12 20:18:35

JenaiMathis, I had a Saturday job working on the record counter of a local store - if the singles were delivered late on Saturday afternoon I was able to buy mine early.
I also used to get into trouble for playing The Smiths constantly - the approved playlist included things like Kylie, Whitney Houston and Rick Astley. If I could I would ignore it and just play Smiths LPs

redlac Fri 14-Dec-12 20:41:54

My nn used to be a homage to Moz but I name changed - must go back to something suitably Mozzish again

Meggymoodle Fri 14-Dec-12 20:50:55

I'm amazed you've never heard of him. I know nothing about anything remotely connected with popular culture and even I've heard of him. DH loves The Smiths, they make me want to end life quickly, or at least wrench the stereo out at the plug. (There we are you see, not even an Ipod)

Morloth Fri 14-Dec-12 21:16:47

Now Paul Kelly and Dave Faulkner I know.

What about Peter Garrett you lot?

As I said upthread Morrisey knowing is obviously a UK thing.

apostrophethesnowman Fri 14-Dec-12 21:20:43

I've never heard of The Smiths or Morrisey either. I'm fifty years old.

I guess I must have lived a very sheltered life. shock

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 14-Dec-12 21:52:45

I suppose people would wonder what all the fuss is about if they didn't know him in the 80's, or have never heard of the Smiths.

Maybe you had to be there? When the charts were full of Stock-Aitken-Waterman stuff, then Morrissey would come on TOTP holding a bunch of gladioli - was just such an antidote, he was just different.

Pic of Morrissey looking lovely and young

AmberSocks Fri 14-Dec-12 21:57:15

i love him and im 26.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 14-Dec-12 21:59:29

Yay AmberSocks!

Well Morloth I have heard of Midnight Oil, not very familiar with Paul Kelly but though thousands of you tube viewers may agree with you that they are more musically relevant or whatever, millions of people view Smiths video's (I conclude after my very un-thorough internet research) grin So Moz et al is better known and therefore more influential worldwide but you know that.

Or do I need to paint a vulgar picture wink

Morloth Fri 14-Dec-12 22:07:22

LOL, I am sure that the UK Music scene thinks it is very important and influential.

When there are vast amounts of the planet who simply don't give a fuck.

He can't be that well known, I lived in London for 5 years, Asia for 6 and the US for 2 - have heard of many people but never thus twonk until now.

AmberSocks Fri 14-Dec-12 22:08:07

my husband (older man) is a smiths fan Sabrina,its on constantly on and i actually walked down the aisle to There is a light that never goes out!

my new postman looks a bit like a young morrisey,i think he might actually trying to aswell.

Northernexile Fri 14-Dec-12 22:25:12

Trust me Morloth, he IS that well known!

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