To think it's not big or clever to be caught speeding?

(78 Posts)
SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 09-Dec-12 20:48:15

Or indeed to be speeding at all, whether you're caught or not?

Prompted by someone on my FB (sorry!) who posted a status practically bragging that he'd been caught doing 95mph on the motorway but 'got away' with only 3 points. A good half a dozen people replied with comments along the lines of 'oh, you're so naughty' hmm and one posted to say that this bloke is lucky as when he'd been caught doing 105mph shock he was fined £400 odd quid. Somewhere in the middle of all this the OP admitted that he's already done a speed awareness course so must have been caught speeding previously. Clearly the course works then hmm.

Am I being unreasonable to think that being caught speeding isn't a fucking badge of honour?

YANBU, did you say that to him though?

blackeyedsusan Sun 09-Dec-12 20:52:35

yanbu...

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Sun 09-Dec-12 20:56:29

YANBU, though there is a hardcore element who think speed limits don't apply to them because they are such fantastic drivers that they could stop on a sixpence if needs be.

larks35 Sun 09-Dec-12 20:57:25

Well obviously YANBU but I just don't understand why you put your thoughts across here to a bunch of strangers who will mostly agree with you, rather than post it on the facebook status of the twunt in question!

Fakebook Sun 09-Dec-12 20:58:21

Yanbu. I went on a speed awareness course in June this year blush. I'll never speed again, even if I'm in a rush. The man doing the course was really really good at his job and I left thinking the course should be compulsory for all newly passed drivers.

uptheamp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:00:09

i drive on motorways all the time and most people drive at around 100 mph in the fast lane. i do kind of think we should raise the limit a little, isn't is germany that has no limits?

Redbindy Sun 09-Dec-12 21:01:04

Only 95? Motorways are safe at well over that. My main drip is people stuck in the outside lane at 70. Decent cars are capable of being safely driven at 120 plus and should be allowed to do so.

NoKnidForABed Sun 09-Dec-12 21:06:51

Some motorways in Germany have no limit, but it's my understanding that more and more motorways now have a limit because statistics actually suggest that it's not as 'safe' as previously thought ...

BumpingFuglies Sun 09-Dec-12 21:07:41

Redbindy there are a mixture of cars on the road with various capabilities. If you think travelling at 120mph is safe ANYWHERE, frankly, you need help.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Sun 09-Dec-12 21:08:10

I thought our motorways were some of the safest in the world because of our speed limits, is that not the case? If we up our limits the goverment need to look long and hard at the condition of out motorways first as many are not fit to support faster limits. Yes, cars are safer than they've ever been but they are only one factor in the equation.

WinklyVersusTheZombies Sun 09-Dec-12 21:10:44

Decent cars are capable of being safely driven at 120 plus

Only when they have a decent driver behind the wheel, driving safely, which is so very rarely the case, and when almost everyone else is driving at 65 - 75mph, 120mph just cannot be safe.

Lifeissweet Sun 09-Dec-12 21:11:52

Not sure if we have a fb friend in common, OP, but I had a friend with exactly this status today - 95 mph and 3 points. Someone has posted 'only 95. You can do better than that!'

I'd be ashamed, frankly. I wouldn't be posting it on Facebook.

StickEmUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:13:13

Redbindy you are allowed to be in the outside lane at 70 its the limit der.
That said, i usually get up to 80 at times.

YANBU this really gets my goat.
There's a lad at work who's continually bragging about speeding, getting caught and getting away with it.
He also likes to brag about the fact that he once had his licence taken off him, and never wears his seatbelt - I mean WHY??? What is he trying to prove by not wearing his seatbelt, other than he's a complete knob!! angry

poorbuthappy Sun 09-Dec-12 21:15:00

I replied to a post about hidden speed cameras stating that actually if you don't speed then it doesn't matter if the bloody things are dressed up as magpies and placed every 2 metres down a road. Funnily enough the rantiness of the replies was deflated and it quietly went away.

I thought I was caught speeding the other day. And you know what? If I do get a ticket, then it was totally my fault because I wasn't concentrating so was doing more than 30mph. I will take the punishment because I was breaking the speed limit. I am a grown up who is responsible for her own actions.

FutTheShuckUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:15:33

This is how pile ups occur.
People going over 70 would have far less chance to stop if a lorry was to jacknife/shed its load or any other accident that can easily occur happened on a motorway.

Redbindy Sun 09-Dec-12 21:16:32

StickEmup - outside lanes of motorways are for overtaking, not cruising. The highway code is quite clear on that.

uptheamp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:16:32

i do find the speed limit on the motorway a bit of a farce though as so many people blatently break it all the time

StickEmUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:20:36

Redbindy, if someone is doing 60 in the middle lane, you can overtake only doing 70 you know.

I do that then go back in to let the wankers doing 120 fuck off where ever they have to get to. It must be something more important than my life to do 120 mph.

manicinsomniac Sun 09-Dec-12 21:21:00

YANBU

I agree with Fakebook I had to do a speed awareness course recently and it was brilliant - I'm so much more aware of my driving skills in general and haven't speeded at all, anywhere, since. Really useful and informative stuff.

Redbindy Sun 09-Dec-12 21:26:03

StickEmup - I am well aware that I can overtake someone doing 60 in the middle lane. I then turn into the middle lane, if available, and not hog the outside lane at 70. Having said that, 120 is so much fun.

FutTheShuckUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:28:23

Having said that, 120 is so much fun.

Maybe if you are a white van man/BMW wanker/boy racer type who needs to develop more grey matter...

Weissdorn Sun 09-Dec-12 21:28:39

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BumpingFuglies Sun 09-Dec-12 21:30:17

It's all SO much FUN until someone dies. Yeah. Fucking hilarious.

StickEmUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:30:57

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SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 09-Dec-12 21:32:04

Lifeissweet maybe we do have the same FB friend. If there is someone on your friend's thread disagreeing with him in no uncertain terms, that is me. <waves>

Redbindy Sun 09-Dec-12 21:33:36

FutTheShuckUp - BMW wanker, it's designed to do 130MPH, in Germany that would be legal. More grey matter - BSc(Hons) & MSc in different disciplines. Please refrain from ad hominem attacks.

StickEmUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:34:47

Actually i take it back you are allowed to sit in the outside lane at 70 its better not to as the cunts who think 120 is okay must go by either they might get road rage and ram into you.

Other than that the law is fine with you doing what i described above

uptheamp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:35:09

i remember watching a programme about how much safer european roads were compared to ours, was really interesting, we just don't seem to want to invest in making roads safer even though fines and tax is increasing. Europe seems much more progressive that the UK in that sense.

StickEmUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:36:22

Redbindy being a bookworm doesn't mean you have fuck all common sense.

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 09-Dec-12 21:36:45

We aren't in Germany though, RedBindy. The UK has speed limits on motorways. People should stick to them. If they don't want to stick to them they can always fuck off to Germany.

FutTheShuckUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:37:21

Wow you have a bsc and masters! Well that means you couldn't possibily be an idiot with your views about speeding!

uptheamp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:37:57

people just don't stick to the limits though, driving at 70 just isn't the average speed a uk driver drives at on the motorway

Redbindy Sun 09-Dec-12 21:41:15

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BumpingFuglies Sun 09-Dec-12 21:41:40

OP, are you in Germany?

FutTheShuckUp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:44:16

So what do you think your chances are at stopping in time to avoid an accident at 120mph are?

xkittyx Sun 09-Dec-12 21:46:28

Actually, most European countries have more deaths per 100 000/year than the UK. I think only the Netherlands and or two of the Scandinavian countries are safer. The UK is one of the safest countries in the world in for driving and far safer than Germany.
Accidents are both easier to avoid and easier to survive at lower speeds. The speed limit is there for a reason and you have to be breathtakingly entitled and selfish to drive at 120mph on a public road where there are other road users.

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 09-Dec-12 21:48:25

No, I'm in the UK Bumping.

BumpingFuglies Sun 09-Dec-12 21:49:29

Redbindy - people die in accidents all the time. However, the faster you go, the less stopping time you have.

BumpingFuglies Sun 09-Dec-12 21:50:58

Soft - I thought so - just clarifying since other posters are talking about Germany.

alemci Sun 09-Dec-12 21:53:13

have you noticed people the amount of people who undertake on roads as well. They seem to think they are so clever doing this but isn't it really dangerous.

I think I wouldn't be boasting about something like that.

specialsubject Sun 09-Dec-12 21:55:02

clearly everyone who advocates raising the speed limit also feels that petrol is too cheap.

drag goes up as the square of speed.

If everyone drove in the correct lane it wouldn't be possible to undertake though. I've been in situations where I'm in the slow lane doing 70 on an empty road and some prick is in the middle lane doing 60, so I have to either undertake or pull out into the fast lane to overtake them. I'm never sure which is safer.

Redbindy Sun 09-Dec-12 21:57:46

BumpingFuglies - Wow, I'm so glad you posted.Until now I always thought that stopping distance was inversely proportionate to speed. Did I mention that fast driving was a lot more fun after a few ciders and a spliff?

uptheamp Sun 09-Dec-12 21:58:00

but the fact is that people do not keep the limits now, everyday i drive at 70 and people whizz past me. (mostly audi drivers) the limits are not working as people abuse them daily so what's the point really?

januaryjojo Sun 09-Dec-12 22:00:07

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bureni Sun 09-Dec-12 22:01:13

Simple solution is to restrict cars via their engines to a max speed of 70 mph or to the max limit of the country they are driven in, its easy to do.

KenDoddsDadsDog Sun 09-Dec-12 22:03:03

I am gobsmacked at the amount of people who undertake. I would love to be a plain car police driver and catch the fuckers. Just for one day.
Tell your 120mph safe story to one of my friends whose son has just died as the result of a tail ending cunt.

SledYuleCated Sun 09-Dec-12 22:04:05

Also, whilst the car may be able to 'safely' go at 120mph, roads have been designed with a 70mph limit in mind, things like the angle of bends, cambers and inclines.

German autobahns are a different kettle of fish to British motorways.

uptheamp Sun 09-Dec-12 22:05:06

you can't restrict speeds as it would be dangerous

i think we need to up the limits a little more on the motorway as a whole though, 90mph seems reasonable

BumpingFuglies Sun 09-Dec-12 22:05:06

Redbindy nice try. So I'm wrong? smile

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 09-Dec-12 22:06:27

Bureni I wonder why that's not done as a matter of course anyway?

KenDodds So sorry to hear about your friend's son sad.

bureni Sun 09-Dec-12 22:07:48

uptheamp, you can restrict the speeds as motorcycles and lorries have had speed restrictors in the U.K for years now so why should cars be any different.

uptheamp Sun 09-Dec-12 22:11:26

most lorries etc keep to the slower lanes though, just thinking about having to move from fast lane or overtake at speed where a restriction on speed would be a hinderance. I have driven cars with restrictors and generally think they are good though, just don't think it will ever happen.

bureni Sun 09-Dec-12 22:17:31

thetramp..a restriction on speed would prevent speeding which is illegal and the cause of most accidents on U.K roads, that imo is a good hinderance. My first touring motorcycle was restricted to 33 bhp by the previous owner until they had gained enough experience to ride the bike at full power, this is a legal requirement that should also be forced onto car drivers until they have gained enough experience as the way the law stands there is nothing to prevent a 17 year old boy racer from sticking a set of L plates onto a really powerful car with the usual results a few weeks later.

SledYuleCated Sun 09-Dec-12 22:18:03

Restricting cars to RW upper limit prevents them from being able to accelerate out of danger, which is sometimes necessary.

LalyRawr Sun 09-Dec-12 22:20:13

Redbindy Please tell my parents and brother how safe it is to drive at 120mph, how you can still brake safely, not endanger lives and how much fun it is.

Oh no wait. You're about eleven years too late. Some cunt speeding down the motorway decided it was also fun and killed my entire family in one fell swoop.

I was 14.

But it's ok though. The driver had fun. That's all matters isn't it?

bureni Sun 09-Dec-12 22:22:50

Sled, speed restrictors have no effect on acceleration only top speed.

SledYuleCated Sun 09-Dec-12 22:26:15

But how do you then accelerate if you're already travelling at top speed? I am admittedly not any kind of expert, is there a way of accelerating and speeding up if you were already doing a flat out 70?

bureni Sun 09-Dec-12 22:28:33

If you accelerate when you are at top speed then you are going to be speeding and breaking the law hence the reason why lorries are restricted to 55mph max on any U.K roads.

Lilithmoon Sun 09-Dec-12 22:31:38

LalyRawr sad

Iceaddict Sun 09-Dec-12 22:33:56

Oh no it's awful. I got flashed yesterday and I feel sick! I don't know what the hell I was doing it was a road I drive daily and I must have been doing 34. Haven't even told dp yet, its definitely nothing to brag about. I do around 200 miles a week and although I drive to the speed limit I don't generally break it. Maybe the person is embarrassed and making light of it by discussing on FB

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 09-Dec-12 22:42:37

LalyRaw that's truly shocking, I'm so sorry sad angry. I hope the driver was suitably punished, but somehow I fear not.

Iceaddict believe me, he's not embarrassed in the slightest.

SledYuleCated Sun 09-Dec-12 23:22:52

Bureni Can you explain this to me like I'm a small child? blush

Would the restriction be at top speed? As it was explained to me, there are occasions when you may need to accelerate out of a dangerous situation to provide a collision. Only momentarily, so yes, whilst that would be speeding, it would actually be preventing an accident ad therefore would be preferable. If you were doing the top speed, which was 70 and therefore not speeding, you wouldn't be able to do that.

Admittedly, I struggle to see that these occasions are frequent enough to outweigh the benefit of speed restrictors, but still an interesting point in the debate.

Also, the sort of cunts people who find 120 funny are the ones who would also find deactivating the restrictors funny. I know of several people who have done this wih bikes.

EugenesAxeChoppedDownANiceTree Sun 09-Dec-12 23:37:56

YANBU - it's only ever just been annoying for me.

Tiredmumno1 Sun 09-Dec-12 23:52:30

This is the accident that January was talking about further up the thread - bbc news

Absolutely awful, and just shows what can happen and will happen at such ridiculous speeds.

parno Mon 10-Dec-12 00:48:08

I will hold my hands up and admit I have been caught speeding. Sucked it up as I was in the wrong, but it really irritates me the attitude that it is ok to speed. I'm pretty sure if those individuals who drive at ridiculously excessive speeds were to lose a loved one due to a speeding driver they wouldn't be laughing then or patting the driver on the back with shouts of nice one, shame you got caught.

One of my relatives was boasting about how she'd been stopped doing 60mph on a 30mph road and got away with it with no points or anything. Then a week later she posted a status about drunk driving killing people with the note of "everyone look at your driving!!1!!"

DH told her she should look at her own, and pointed out speeding kills too.

At which point it became a massive family argument.

Meglet Mon 10-Dec-12 06:49:10

Yanbu. I saw someone boasting about being let off doing 40 in a 30 as she said she flirted round the police officer shock angry. Obviously she won't mind people going at 40 outside her childrens school then.

StickEmUp Mon 10-Dec-12 07:19:33

Wow im a proper mnetter. I got deleted. <Chuffed>

sashh Mon 10-Dec-12 07:59:19

I'm in the slow lane doing 70 on an empty road and some prick is in the middle lane doing 60, so I have to either undertake or pull out into the fast lane to overtake them. I'm never sure which is safer

You are only undertaking if after passing the car you pull into the middle lane (or outside if you do it in the middle lane).

If you are driving at the same speed before during and after passing then you are not undertaking.

From the highway code:

Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

Pantah630 Mon 10-Dec-12 08:31:50

bureni it depends on how the engine develops power. Technically you are only restricting the top end but if you've a high revving, ie gixer 6, motor that only produces power higher up the rev range and has little torque, you affect acceleration too. A v twin, which has much more low down torque, even in the low capacities, only affects the top end, with no acceleration loss. That's why if you're on a restricted licence it makes more sense to ride something like an SV650 than an R1. I'm assuming that this would translate to cars as well but am no engineer, so fine to be corrected, a diesel and petrol motors produce power differently, you can feel it when you drive. You don't get v twin cars any more but there are v6, v8, v12's, generally the cars with greater power, I don't think restriction would affect them in the same way but then it's rare you see someone stuffing a Ferrari on a motorway, one of the safest places to drive in the UK.

Strange the Government haven't yet seen fit to put the same restrictions on car drivers, I'm assuming the car lobby wouldn't let them get away with it. From January anyone under 24 will have to jump through many hoops to get on a larger capacity bike, with at least 3 tests or wait till they're 24 and go the direct access route.

BTW it's inappropriate speed that kills not speed itself. inattention is the biggest killer on our roads "sorry I didnt see you" translates as "sorry I was too busy texting, tuning the radio, doing make up in mirror, shouting at kids, am so safe inside my steel cage I don't need to look" delete as apropriate. I may sound bitter but that is an excuse used daily on our roads, compulsory riding of a motorcycle or push bike on the road for 2 years would make all of us that drive cars better, and more aware of other road users and hopefully fewer deaths.

LalyRaw so sorry for your loss, its hard to loose anyone but senseless accidents are incredibly hard to come to terms with. I don't know how you coped at such a young age, or how you're still coping. sad

natation Mon 10-Dec-12 09:42:23

Surely Redbindy isn't for real? Why would anyone brag about doing something that increases the probability of killing someone else and perhaps theirself too?

januaryjojo Mon 10-Dec-12 09:55:40

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

"Surely Redbindy isn't for real? Why would anyone brag about doing something that increases the probability of killing someone else and perhaps theirself too?"

People do. Unfortunately I'm related to one sad

BrittaPerry Wed 16-Jan-13 22:47:46

I used to know someone who was generally accepted as the cars and driving expert of his friends. The group of friends all worked at various rural pubs in the kitchens. One had just got a new car, and asked his car expert friend, who had popped in for a pint, to take it for a spin, so he did.

He was driving on a route that he drove every day and hardly ever saw anyone else on the roads. He was driving well as far as he saw it, but fast - he was putting the car through its paces, after all. He was slightly tipsy, he had had about two pints, but had driven like that loads and felt ok.

A family car was on the same road, also going too fast. Mum, dad and two kids. The kids were messing about and wouldn't put their seatbelts on, the dad was driving and turned round to tell them off, straying on to the wrong side of the road for a couple of seconds.

At least thats what was guessed was happening inside the car. Nobody will ever know, because everyone died when the car expert whizzed round the corner, far too fast, into the family car going a bit too fast on the wrong side of the road.

I bet everyone thought they were a good driver. Individually, those things had happened countless times, but you never know when your bad driving behaviour will come up against someone elses bad driving behaviour.

SafetyBubble Wed 16-Jan-13 23:58:45

You need the full Highway Code stopping distance i.e. thinking plus braking .
At 70 mph this is nearly 100 metres and is a three second gap.

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