About cleaner and sickness bug..

(54 Posts)
tholeon Sun 09-Dec-12 19:07:54

We have a virulent sickness bug in our house, first person had it this time last week and last person has it at the moment. I have obviously told our cleaner about it and given her the option of not coming, assuming she won't want to risk the germs. What is the correct thing to do about paying her ? I have offered her half the money for staying away, but honestly don't know if this is fair. What's the verdict? She has been with us a few months and is good.

lola88 Sun 09-Dec-12 19:10:53

could you offer her extra hours next week to make up for it? get some extra jobs done? I know when i was a cleaner someone cancelling would hit me hard.

I think you should pay the full amount, it's not her fault.

lovethesun1 Sun 09-Dec-12 19:13:13

I agree with Sauvignon.

OWe3WiseKneeHairsOfOrientAre Sun 09-Dec-12 19:15:30

If our cleaner doesn't come because we have asked her not to, I pay her in full.
If she doesn't come because she is ill or on holiday, I don't pay her.
This seems fair to me. It isn't her fault she can't come because you are unwell.

You need to pay her in full.

trueblood1fan Sun 09-Dec-12 19:19:16

you should pay in her full as its not her fault - presume you would expect to be paid if your employer asked you not to come in?!

catgirl1976geesealaying Sun 09-Dec-12 19:20:10

You should pay her in full

I always do if I cancel for any reason

It's not her fault she can't come

sockmuppet Sun 09-Dec-12 19:20:16

you should pay her in full without a doubt.

WelshMaenad Sun 09-Dec-12 19:23:40

She isn't being told to stay away, she's being given the option. Half pay acceptable in those circumstances, but agree about offering extra hours next week to help her make up her money.

tholeon Sun 09-Dec-12 19:24:36

Well it is her decision not to come, I would be happy if she did but naturally she doesn't want to risk the bug and of course it would be very wrong of me not to warn her...

It's 2 weeks before Christmas! shock I'm presuming she's not cleaning for a hobby?
She has been with us a few months and is good says it all to me, do you want to keep her?

Sirzy Sun 09-Dec-12 19:31:14

It was her decision not to come and risk catching a bug a few weeks before christmas.

You must pay her.

InNeedOfBrandyButter Sun 09-Dec-12 19:32:11

Of course she hasn't got the option, going to work and getting ill meaning you won't be able to work while you and then your dc get it after is not an option.

What a stingy cow you are.

InNeedOfBrandyButter Sun 09-Dec-12 19:32:35

Meaning she and then her dc get it*

Softlysoftly Sun 09-Dec-12 19:33:33

Pay her! It's not really a choice:

"Be skint for Christmas or be sick for Christmas, oh and a shitty new year".

Pay her

It's her choice, yes, but what a choice! Lose half your wages or knowingly expose yourself to a virulent sickness bug.

Pay her in full.

I'd pay her in full. No question.

How very 'unseasonable' hmm

somuchslimmernow Sun 09-Dec-12 19:35:44

There is sickness in your house, not her fault even if you have given her the option not to work. You should pay her.

HildaOgden Sun 09-Dec-12 19:37:21

Pay her in full,as a goodwill gesture if nothing else.How much money are you talking about anyway?She's good,you want to keep her,it will be worth it.

tholeon Sun 09-Dec-12 19:38:32

Ok will pay her in full for two weeks! Calling me a cow a bit harsh, was genuinely not sure what right thing to do was, have asked and you've all told me!

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 09-Dec-12 19:39:40

You should pay her in full

honeytea Sun 09-Dec-12 19:40:00

Pay her, how would you feel if she had a sickness bug and phoned you and said "I am sick and you will probably catch it if I come in, I am happy to stay away if you pay me half"

Softlysoftly Sun 09-Dec-12 19:40:13

Good, now about Christmas bonuses......

<<outs self as ops cleaner>> grin

Hopefully your reasonableness will be reciprocated and she'll give you a really good clean next week, mine would.

wonkylegs Sun 09-Dec-12 19:49:20

Our cleaner comes from a local company and you don't pay if they don't come whatever the reason. I have tried to pay when it's our fault and they won't accept it. We do however pay quite a lot weekly and could get a much cheaper cleaner so I don't feel too terrible (and I know the company pay the cleaners good rates it's not all going to the company)

flow4 Sun 09-Dec-12 20:00:44

... And a company can absorb a week without payment much more easily than an individual can...

JustFabulous Sun 09-Dec-12 20:04:31

I would text her now to say you will of course pay her in full if she decides not to come in (before any bad feeling starts).

trueblood1fan Sun 09-Dec-12 20:23:17

thankgod youve seen sense & are going to pay her :-)

malteserzz Sun 09-Dec-12 20:26:14

We don't pay if ours don't come for any reason, they've always seemed fine with it I don't think they'd expect to be paid

gordyslovesheep Sun 09-Dec-12 20:27:01

Pay her OR if you don't and she comes pay her when she is off sick in full

anything else is unreasonable

InNeedOfBrandyButter Sun 09-Dec-12 20:31:57

I would tell her not to come in, if she comes in and catches your bug she's going to be off sick and your house will never get clean.

and you did deserve the stingy cow comment sorry,

tholeon Sun 09-Dec-12 19:24:36
Well it is her decision not to come, I would be happy if she did

tholeon Sun 09-Dec-12 20:37:00

Really upset at being called a cow actually which I guess means I shouldn't be posting on Aibu.. True cow like behaviour would have been just not to tell her, wouldn't it?! Was likening it to casual jobs I have had in the past, eg as regular babysitter, when I wouldn't have expected to be paid under similar circs. Anyway end of. I hope..

trueblood1fan Sun 09-Dec-12 20:40:58

i doubt its casual work for pocket money though?! maybe you should have a contract/verbal agreement in place when you next see her?! :-)

InNeedOfBrandyButter Sun 09-Dec-12 20:41:18

I think you took cow slightly to much to heart OP, sorry if Iv'e offended you I wouldn't of though cow would offend anyone. should stop calling my dd moo

Redbindy Sun 09-Dec-12 20:47:36

Your cleaner is not (i hope) a teenage baby sitter. There is a moral contract even if you don't have a written one. Inneedofbrandy butter was right in her original assessment.

BumpingFuglies Sun 09-Dec-12 21:13:17

You should pay her and don't let her come to your house. She doesn't get it and pass it on, you retain your cleaner and have the pleasure of doing the right thing. WIN=WIN smile

tholeon Sun 09-Dec-12 21:38:28

Why all the assumptions I was a teenager working for pocket money? When I worked for a school I don't think anybody would have been very sympathetic if I had suggested not coming in because there was a sickness bug going round, even when I was pregnant. it just didn't seem clear cut to me which is why I asked for advice. When I posted a few months ago asking for advice about a dilemma with a previous cleaner everyone said I was being over generous, she was self employed, I wasn't responsible for her, blah blah.

I should let this go really..

bamboostalks Sun 09-Dec-12 21:44:34

Well I wouldn't even mention a bug tbh. It wouldn't occur to me. I mean we're surrounded by bugs in our workplace all the time and she's wearing gloves.

tholeon Mon 10-Dec-12 07:58:29

Well she has replied saying she won't come but she feels bad being paid for not working. Will still pay her.

diddl Mon 10-Dec-12 08:11:28

Well I can´t help wondering why she wouldn´t come in tbh.

Unless you all(?) being ill at home means that she can´t actually do her job?

YoucanringmySleighBells Mon 10-Dec-12 08:20:55

I clean for someone one morning a week and they have told me twice now that they don't need me for a particular week the night before. I havn't been paid sad

Next time I take on a cleaning job I will state that I need paying if they cancel the hours althogether that week. I really needed the money as well.

flow4 Mon 10-Dec-12 08:24:33

Effectively, there are people with D&V at her place of work. Usually, workplaces and schools insist that people with D&V stay away until 48 hours after they have stopped being ill, to stop illness spreading... Since the cleaner's workplace and the OP's home are one and the same, and the OP and her family obviously can't stay away, the cleaner should not be expected to come until 48 hours after the last family member is better.

Hope that's very soon, tholeon! And I'm glad you're doing the decent thing. smile

OhlimpPricks Mon 10-Dec-12 08:26:10

On the flip side, If a cleaner is paying tax and NI on their earnings then if they are off sick, then they can claim SSP.

valiumredhead Mon 10-Dec-12 08:39:00

Yes, pay her full amount.

diddl Mon 10-Dec-12 08:43:21

"Usually, workplaces and schools insist that people with D&V stay away until 48 hours after they have stopped being ill, to stop illness spreading"

Yes, of course.

But if for example whoever is ill would be in bed & the cleaner could be working elsewhere.

valiumredhead Mon 10-Dec-12 08:48:43

I wouldn't want to go into any house where there was a virulent sickness bug!

diddl Mon 10-Dec-12 09:02:20

Well that´s fine, & obviously the cleaner doesn´t want to either.

But if she wouldn´t be in close proximity & wouldn´t be cleaning up the D&V I can´t see a problem tbh.

I do get that these things spread easily, but I also think people can get too paranoid about stuff like this.

valiumredhead Mon 10-Dec-12 09:03:21

That's exactly why these things spread.

Sirzy Mon 10-Dec-12 09:13:12

Not wanting to be in a house full of people with a sickness bug isn't paranoid, it's sensible!

flow4 Mon 10-Dec-12 09:16:03

diddle, if this was your cleaner, you'd have to agree that she would come, but wouldn't be expected to clean the bathroom(s), toilet(s), kitchen, any bedroom that had had a sick person in it within 48 hours, and any other room where someone had been sick within 48 hours. That probably wouldn't leave much of your house!

And she might still get ill, because door handles and other surfaces also present an infection risk... And then you wouldn't get your house cleaned next week either... And the cleaner and her family might be ill over Christmas... And she would be rightly disgruntled or understandably angry, and you might soon lose a good cleaner...

Altogether, it's not reasonable to expect her to come, and it's just not worth the risk. The OP has done the right and sensible thing.

tholeon Mon 10-Dec-12 10:07:37

Well we only have one recovering adult now and they are confined to a room, but I still wouldn't want to come if I was her. Don't think I would expect to be paid though, and she clearly doesn't either. But that doesn't mean I guess that the right moral thing is not to pay her, which is why I asked the question here. Thank you in particular for views of those who are/ were cleaners and those who employ them.
Better get on with the cleaning..

valiumredhead Mon 10-Dec-12 10:09:25

I would expect to be paid -or at least have the opportunity to make my hours up the following week.

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