the nurse who took the hoax call has killed herself

(63 Posts)
catgirl1976geesealaying Fri 07-Dec-12 15:50:28

not aibu but sad

the poor woman

and the hoaxers must be feeling terrible

I think a thread about the hoax just got pulled so this might too.

I feel sorry for everyone involved. It is just horrible.

richardsimmonstanktop Fri 07-Dec-12 15:52:40

Just saw this too. Awful. Poor woman. sad

BerryChristmas Fri 07-Dec-12 15:53:08

I bet they aren't feeling terrible, OP. Just more publicity for them.

It is sooooo sad - she must have been under an enormous amount of pressure.

catgirl1976geesealaying Fri 07-Dec-12 15:53:28

Maybe its not appropriate

I just felt very shocked sad

The poor woman

CaliforniaSucksSnowballs Fri 07-Dec-12 15:54:39

sad how awful, poor poor woman.

somuchslimmernow Fri 07-Dec-12 15:54:54

BBC website she was found dead, so unclear if it was suicide.

INeedThatForkOff Fri 07-Dec-12 15:55:49

How terrible, for the nurse and the DJs who would never have intended this as the consequence if their prank. This will cast a shadow over the pregnancy too.

thebody Fri 07-Dec-12 15:57:11

Just bloody awful just awful.

Bloody awful, im guessing she thought she might be sacked maybe. sad she only transferee the call though.

SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh Fri 07-Dec-12 15:57:55

Well, even if she did kill herself, she must have had other problems that were more severe than falling for a harmless prank call. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she's alive and well and this is some sort of deranged conspirracy theory bullshit.

BattlingFanjos Fri 07-Dec-12 15:58:46

Just read it, so awful sad poor poor woman.

I hope the DJs seriously suffer for that stunt, regardless of this poor woman's death, it was a dirty trick.

RIP Jacintha

catgirl1976geesealaying Fri 07-Dec-12 15:59:00

I hope she is

And I agree she must have had other problems going on, poor woman

diddl Fri 07-Dec-12 15:59:01

I think that this is a nurse helping on reception who transferred the call-not the one who gave out details.

catgirl1976geesealaying Fri 07-Dec-12 16:00:54

Ahh.......if so perhaps the call is not the reason and the media is just making a lot out of the link

GetorfsaMotherfuckingMorrisMan Fri 07-Dec-12 16:04:53

Christ, I hope you're right SGB.

What a shite thing to happen.

Sallyingforth Fri 07-Dec-12 16:11:17

It wasn't a prank. It was bullying.
They must have known that it would cause trouble for whoever accepted the call. As it was the hospital didn't discipline her but she clearly felt bad about it.

thefirstmrsrochester Fri 07-Dec-12 16:15:57

So desperately sad. Mother of two small children.

DeckTheHallsWithBartimaeus Fri 07-Dec-12 16:15:58

Oh that is awful.

And as for saying that won't be the only reason - well I'm not sure. I mean, it's not as if the ordinary layman is used to being splashed across worldwide media etc. And if she had no support in place to help her deal with it then maybe she felt really isolated and alone.

So sad

HassledHasASledge Fri 07-Dec-12 16:17:08

Poor bloody woman - a well respected and well liked nurse, according to the BBC. I hope those DJs feel like the utter shits they are.

Wishfulmakeupping Fri 07-Dec-12 16:17:49

So sad and avoidable, The radio station obviously didn't learnt from its last sick ratings puller. Very sad the poor lady obviously took the full brunt of the guilt when in reality, the radio station and senior hospital management were responsible for this

HassledHasASledge Fri 07-Dec-12 16:19:35

And yes, she may well have had existing problems which would have made her less resilient to being portrayed as a gullible fool across the world's media than some - but the DJs wouldn't have given a flying fuck about that. They knew nothing about her - but were happy to use her for their own entertainment.

HappyJustToBe Fri 07-Dec-12 16:20:21

This is the reason not to be a twat. You never know what people have going on and how it may affect them. All for a "prank".

fromparistoberlin Fri 07-Dec-12 16:26:09

this has really upset me

she had 2 children

what a fucking WASTE

and I bet kate feels like shit too, and it clearly not her fault

BattlingFanjos Fri 07-Dec-12 16:29:23

I agree Happy...if you can't anything nice and all that, very sad. People are ignorant when they do things like this but I'm not surprised after their last shitty stunt as wishful said.

Jinsei Fri 07-Dec-12 16:31:23

This is really sad. Poor woman, and her poor family. sad

It may well be that there were other issues going on for her, but I can well believe that the hoax call may have tipped her over the edge. I bet the hoax callers will feel shit about what has happened, and so they should - they couldn't have predicted this, obviously, but it doesn't take a genius to realise that they could have for someone into big trouble. Not to mention the breach of Kate's privacy.

What a tragic waste of a life. sad

They only pulled their prank from the Facebook page minutes ago. Scum.

picnicbasketcase Fri 07-Dec-12 16:34:13

Oh my God, how awful. And she wasn't even the one who discussed confidential information, she simply answered the phone? So sad.

MrsChestysGlitteryBaubles Fri 07-Dec-12 17:41:49

As if nurses don't have a hard enough job without having to deal with this crap. I really feel for her poor family! sad

TryBreatheFly Fri 07-Dec-12 17:47:45

The other thread has been pulled apparently but I said before I feel so angry at the hospital management for not having systems in place to protect their staff. Imagine your humiliation being broadcast across the world to billions and feeling like you're the laughing stock of the entire world - what a massive impact that must have had on the poor woman.

Whether she had other issues or not, this would be a massive massive burden on the strongest person. Royals have protection in place against this type of thing - this nurse didn't sad I am so angry on her behalf.

However crass the Aussie radio people were, this isn't in fact their fault, there are always random idiots out there waiting to try it on. It is down to hospital management to put barriers in place. My thoughts and care are with poor Jacintha's family. I am sorry beyond belief about this sad

joanbyers Fri 07-Dec-12 17:54:05

I just read this.

Truly sickening.

JustFabulous Fri 07-Dec-12 18:01:40

Why are we being told to come to AIBU from In the news?

donnie Fri 07-Dec-12 18:02:01

very, very sad.

BTW SGB - it wasn't a 'harmless prank call' if it precipitated her SUICIDE now was it?

If ever there was a time to impose greater controls on the media, it is now.

I feel extremely angry at those two Radio journos but as others have pointed out I am sure they will be very upset at this too. I bloody hope they are anyway - if they have a conscience, that is.

Her poor dh and children sad

Startail Fri 07-Dec-12 18:02:45

RIP

scaredbutexcited Fri 07-Dec-12 18:02:58

So so sad. Must be other issues too but still this was the final straw. How terribble.

Bogeyface Fri 07-Dec-12 18:17:14

So they're sorry are they? Oh that's alright then, that'll be a great comfort to her DH and children.

Just as they were sorry about tricking a 14 year old girl into revealing she had been raped, on air. You'll forgive me if I don't take their apologies too seriously.

People kicking up a stink about prank calls rarely bothers me, but a woman died FFS! At the very least they should lose their jobs, and if they can be charged with a criminal offence then they should.

SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh Fri 07-Dec-12 19:24:41

No: blaming the radio DJs for this is wrong. They had no desire or intention to cause this woman harm. They may well have been motivated by a perfectly reasonable wish to point out what a fucking fuss about nothing the whole Royal Baby is - some posho is pregnant. Good luck to her and all that but so fucking what?

That a hospital receptionist is dead (suicide is *not confirmed*) is sad but there is almost certaily little or no connection. Yet her death is going to be exploited (just like Di's car crash) to reinforce a Know Your Place Peasants, Royalty Is Sacred mindset.

really?

I think it's painfully sad. Whilst the DJ's may not be held directly responsible, they MUST lose their jobs over this surely.
That poor poor nurse.

lovebunny Fri 07-Dec-12 20:11:22

pretending to be someone's relative to get personal information about their condition from a hospital is a disgusting thing to do. it isn't funny at all, whether the patient is royal or just your next door neighbour whom you suspect of having haemorrhoids.

it shouldn't have happened. the receptionist nurse and information passing nurse had every right to expect a caller to be genuine, and not to expect to be lied to. decent people would expect honesty in that situation, from other decent people. and the great strength of what used to be great britain is that we are (used to be) decent people.

anyone can make a mistake at work. most of us are not mocked on a global scale for making our mistakes. we don't hear them on national and international radio ( i first heard this on the world service).

culturally australia might be different from the uk, but that isn't really an excuse. it was underhand, shameful behaviour and it led to an innocent woman taking her life. God rest her soul and grant her peace. prayers for her family.

Bogeyface Fri 07-Dec-12 20:28:10

I am not the slightest bit bothered that it was to do with the Royals, I am staunchly republican. Its the fact that in the name of entertainment, these people didnt think about how they would make their victims feel.

And because of that, a woman, who yes it must be admitted was probably already troubled, took her life.

The DJ's who did this are responsible for that poor womans death.

Fakebook Fri 07-Dec-12 20:38:36

There is an extent to every joke/prank. As far as I'm concerned, once a joke enters the realms of breaking the law it's not a joke anymore. These idiots broke the law by assuming another persons identity to divulge information. That's not a joke.

This poor woman was obviously affected by this stupid stunt and now her family are paying for it. I hope the presenters are happy now they have blood on their hands.

joanbyers Fri 07-Dec-12 21:00:28

It's nothing to do with sacred royalty, as much as that evidently bothers you, but rather it is about the behaviour of the media, towards someone who was not royal. If they had got through to William on the phone, fair enough, prick his bubble if that's what you want, but they targeted medical staff who neither seek nor deserve this kind of attention.

It's not a royal story, it's a 'shock jock gone too far' story.

Notcontent Fri 07-Dec-12 21:22:40

I saw this earlier in the news and it has really upset me. She must have felt so desperate - and as others have said, she was probably at a vulnerable point in her life anyway, and this was just the last straw.

I actually feel a bit sorry form the DJs too - because, even though they should have thought about this, I am sure they never anticipated how things would end.... And actually, the stuff that was disclosed about Kate was pretty harmless anyway. If it was anyone other than "royalty" there would not have been such a fuss. There is nothing special about Kate - she is just a young woman like all of us.

fapl Sat 08-Dec-12 07:23:13

I think people completely laying into the radio presenters here is also wrong.

What has happened is a complete and utter tragedy, for the deceased, her family, the royals, and the radio presenters will all never forget this for the rest of their lives.

The joke of the prank callers (and that humour is not to my taste, but some people must like it as it happens a lot and there is a whole tv show based around prank calls) is that their accents were soooo bad they would never have expected to be put through. If the radio presenters were hung up on, which should have happened, no one in the UK would know who these Australian radio presenters were.

Whether the call should have been aired after they were put through is another matter and the radio station themselves made a bad call on that, a bit like the Sachs case over here, but ITV have still picked up Jonathon Ross and I bet a lot of Mumsnetters still watch his programme now he is on ITV.

A terrible consequence has come out of a bad judgement call, but we are all guilty of those many times in our lives. I feel uncomfortable with how people are laying into these radio presenters, they would never have wanted Jacintha dead and bet if they could they would turn back time.

Montybojangles Sat 08-Dec-12 11:28:31

Hate prank calls, but these two tossers took it to a whole new level by actively deceiving someone into relaying confidential patient information. If some one did that to take the piss out of one of your ill family members you would be pretty pissed off.
female nurses have a 4 times greater suicide incidence than the average woman in the uk. we go to work every day worrying if we will have enough time to do all we need to to keep are patients safe and well, we do endless hours of unpaid overtime (because we are stupid) because if we don't the work doesn't get done and someone could be harmed.
On top of all that shit two australian twats thinks its ok to humiliate and ridicule you internationally regarding a call you answered at 5:30 in the morning when you were probably too tired to even think straight.
I doubt she had underlying mental health issues other than being on the edge the same way every other nurse with a conscience in the uk is every day. She must have been worried about professional review, the possibility of losing her job, the fear she might lose her registration.
Some arse said we shouldn't get angry with the DJs or maybe they would do the same, boo hoo, they were looking for publicity, she wasn't. Long may they enjoy there 15 minutes of fame, twats.

Montybojangles Sat 08-Dec-12 11:28:50

....and breath, rant over, sorry!

Spot on Monty

TryBreatheFly Sat 08-Dec-12 12:48:06

Well said, monty.

NoSoggyBottoms Sat 08-Dec-12 12:50:46

Tragic news. Some "pranks" go too far, and as some have correctly pointed out, contacting a hospital to get information about a patient using fake information is simply wrong. The fact that the patient and her condition is so high profile makes it worse (don't forget, regardless of anyones stance on the monarchy, we are talking about the future king and his wife, and another future king/queen...this is a pregnancy that the world will be following daily)

My heart goes out to the nurse and her family.

I hope the 2 DJs and their producers are all sacked. After all, what happened here with Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand...it's the least that should happen to them.

Also found it interesting that the BBC says that the nurse was lonely and confused. Doesn't sound like she was given much help or support after the incident from higher up. We need proper protection for our nurses. They do an amazing and often thankless job.

If nothing else, I hope some lessons have been learnt. Just wish they didn't have to be learnt in such tragic circumstances.

Montybojangles Sat 08-Dec-12 12:58:04

I keep imagining how awful she must have felt. You answer the phone everyday to calls regarding patients and are very conscious of trying to make sure they are entitled to be given info. It could happen to any of us (except I've never actually looked after anyone of media interest). The poor woman just put the call through, but I'm sure that however supportive the hospital say they were there will have been someone trying to wind her up, there's always someone happy to kick you when your down.
Such a tragedy for her family.

TryBreatheFly Sat 08-Dec-12 14:17:13

Yes, Monty I agree, I really do question why there is not much press attention on the failure of the hospital management.

This is where the buck stops IMO. The aussie journos are dimwit prats, no doubt, but there are plenty of those in the world - if you were a hospital with the highest profile patients but leave your phone line unmanned so a busy medical nurse has to pick it up in amongst her real duties - what kind of management does that hospital have?

Where were the protocols and procedures that should protect staff and patients? I find the hospital management very culpable here. I also wonder how much harranguing (sp?) Jacintha may have received unofficially even if she wasn't disciplined. Sounds like she was the bread winner too sad

maddening Sat 08-Dec-12 14:57:44

Why hadn't the hospital made moves to protect the nurses from the press ? What exactly did the hospital do to support her and what was their true treatment of her? As her employers they had a duty of care surely?

My mum is a nurse who has dealt with a similar situation with the press and an incident.

She is pretty damn sure the hospital would not have given their backing no matter what they say. It was an embarrassment to the hospital and they would have wanted a scape goat for that embarrassment.

She also said the nursing council hang you out to bloody dry, she would have been terrified that she would not only lose her job but be struck off.

Jinsei Sat 08-Dec-12 15:50:14

Is anyone else wondering how the other poor nurse is coping with all of this? sad I hope that she is getting the support that she needs.

I was thinking same Jensei sad

Owlfright Sat 08-Dec-12 15:58:39

I totally agree with maddening.

It's a sad fact that people play these type of pranks- the hospital should have robust procedures in place to deal with this type of thing, not leaving it to this busy nurse.

The hospital management clearly pride themselves on handling the treatment of high profile patients. This brings with it the risk of people attempting to glean information about such patients- they failed to protect their staff from these people.

FGS we've seen the press unashamedly access high profile people's mobile phones- surely making these types of hideous calls is the type if thing they could easily stoop to. The hospital should have been better prepared.......

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sat 08-Dec-12 16:13:01

Is that true these DJs have form for these "pranks" and tricked a 14yr old into revealing she was raped?!

I'm sorry, all blame lies with those arseholes who clearly don't think through their irresponsible actions.

Yes the hospital could have had protocols in place, but they wouldn't bloody need to if pricks like this weren't out for their 15mins of fame without thinking about the repercussions on the normal people they get unwillingly involved.

Owlfright Sat 08-Dec-12 16:19:40

You are right girl, but sadly there are a lot of people like these idiots. The hospital can't just rely on no one being stupid enough to do this type of thing- the possibility of it happening is sadly very real.

Girlwiththemousy

I posted this on another thread, the station has been taken off air several times, not these djs but the ones they were covering for.

in August 2009, Kyle Sandilands, a shock jock on 2Day FM, sparked a huge public backlash following a lie-detector stunt in which a 14-year-old girl revealed she had been raped.

Sandilands was subsequently dropped as a judge on Australian Idol and criticised by the then prime minister, Kevin Rudd, for his role in the episode.

The DJ also provoked fury in November last year, after he launched a verbal attack on a female journalist, Alison Stephenson, who had reported on the low ratings of a TV show he and O'Neil presented.

"Some fat slag on news.com.au has already branded it a disaster," he said. "You can tell by reading the article that she just hates us and has always hated us. What a fat, bitter thing you are. You're deputy editor of an online thing. You've got a nothing job anyway. You're a piece of shit. This low thing, Alison Stephenson, deputy editor of news.com.au online. You're supposed to be impartial, you little troll."

He added: "You're a bullshit artist, girl. You should be fired from your job. Your hair's very '90s. And your blouse. You haven't got that much titty to be having that low cut a blouse. Watch your mouth or I'll hunt you down."

His remarks led sponsors including the car company Holden to withdraw their sponsorship of the show.

In April this year, Sandilands was also criticised for referring to a Pakistani girl born with additional limbs as "spider baby" and implying her disability would give her an advantage in the Olympic games.

TryBreatheFly Sat 08-Dec-12 22:57:04

That's ... just devastatingly awful, whistling. How can these people continue to be employed? How can their families and friends be comfortable about being part of their lives?

Nevertheless, girl, although I agree with you that ideally these lowlifes should not be operating, the fact is, somewhere in the world, they always will be.

The royals know that, which is why they have their own protection in place. The nurse, a normal, decent person with a vital role to play in society, did not know this. And no-one was there to protect HER.

I feel very angry on her behalf. There's no point wishing low-media scum doesn't exist - it does. But the hospital management had a duty to protect staff and patients against this, being the long standing royal/sleb providers they are.

But no - one poor nurse felt all the agony and now the management are writing to the aussie radio station to complain - what's the bloody point of that? They should be writing to themselves to see where their duty of care to their staff went so disastrously wrong.

MissNJE Sun 09-Dec-12 00:25:12

I don't think it was suicide.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sun 09-Dec-12 01:13:02

yeah i know, just wish there weren't such awful people out there to make a quick buck at someone else's expense

ChippingInAWinterWonderland Mon 10-Dec-12 00:50:57

That is true NJE - she might have died of 'natural causes' I guess - heart attack or some such. However, they haven't updated, so I would assume she did take her own life sad

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