To think Senco should be helping my child.

(37 Posts)

She is on IEP.

No progress since testing last May.

Just scored worse in her strong subject (still behind) reading than May.

Maths and Literacy at level 1a/2c.

She is ten.

Consultant involved as dd has been reassessed from original dx years ago as she was only three, he has made provisional dx of dyspraxia and ASD.

And I STILL haven't met Senco at school and can't seem to pin her down to a meeting sad

and dd hasn't worked with her either.

I asked if she was on action/action plus and told "well she is on iep"

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 19:21:34

She should be on SA unless there are ed psychs or other outside agencies involved.

And yes the SENCO should absolutely be helping her.

KittyFane1 Thu 06-Dec-12 19:21:38

Phone school, ask for interview with Headteacher, make a list of questions to ask Headteacher at the meeting. Take someone with you to jot down answers, promises etc. Keep asking. Don't be fobbed off.

silverfrog Thu 06-Dec-12 19:24:15

In your position, and given those levels, I'd skip waiting for the scho to help and move to asking the LA for a Statutory AsseSment.

My dd1 is 8, and has severe ASD. she was diagnosed at 2. She is in a special school, and always has been. She is working at 1a for literacy and 2c for maths.

The school is clearly not going to bother doing anything else unless you up the stakes. You really need a statement, or at the very least clear plans of help (although nothing is legally binding except a statement of needs) before secondary transfer.

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 19:26:41

Yes I'd second go for a statement. The SENCo will have to work towards it so I'd make some fuss first.

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 19:27:56

Oh - she should probably be SA+ if consultant is involved. SENCo sounds terrible, sorry to hear that.

freddiefrog Thu 06-Dec-12 19:29:43

Our SENCo is just the co-ordinator, we deal with her, DD knows her but doesn't work with her - she deals with all referrals, outside specialists, etc, but she's not a TA/teacher

The SEN specialist TAs and her teacher work with DD

We're going through the whole assessment process at the moment.

DD is on School Action Plus and has an IEP. We have regular meeting with the Ed Psych, SENCo and her teacher as once the IEP has been signed, it has to be followed, so we are regularly updated with how she's doing, achievements, anything else we need to know

McChristmasPants2012 Thu 06-Dec-12 19:30:03

has she got an offical Dx for ASD

Thankyou, I am so worried , she is plodding along towards high school and making NO progress sad.

Had a meeting with teacher to review IEP and she was only concerned about her Maths, I said I was concerned about EVERYTHING!

Consultant suggested they let dd use a laptop, teacher doesn't agree. He did say he would ask for ED Psych to go in.

She has a provisional dx of ASD awaiting further tests and a confirmed diagnoses of Dyspraxia.

Her original dx was at three of selective mutism and "autistic tendencies".

Told by teacher if she still wasn't progressing after Christmas they would put her on SA.

McChristmasPants2012 Thu 06-Dec-12 19:38:53

could you afford to get her some private tutoring.

I pay £140 per month for 2 hours a week for DS, he gets DLA for having ASD so the money comes from that.

however i would set up a meeting with both his teacher and headteacher to discuss this anyway

NannyEggn0gg Thu 06-Dec-12 19:40:49

The HT would have to explain why your DD has made no progress.
Have a meeting with her asap, take a list in and discuss all your concerns. I would have thought she should be on SA+ at the very least (hard to get a full statement), with clearly defined objectives on the IEP, which have to be agreed with you.
And don't accept any 'we can't afford anything' stuff. She should certainly have some allocated TA or teacher time (possibly in a small group) if not direct teaching from the Senco.

Foxy800 Thu 06-Dec-12 19:42:46

I would try to get in touch with them again because they sort being doing more. HOwever, I know how you feel in terms of not returning calls. I have been leaving messages for my dd's senco all this week and not one has been returned!!!

Hope you get somewhere soon.

BackforGood Thu 06-Dec-12 19:45:13

The SENCO might not always work directly with the children - some are also class teachers. They are there to co-ordinate provision though, and should meet with parents who request it. It also sounds that if progress has been limited / targets not achieved at each review, then they should have been asking questions at previous reviews each term over the years as to what they could try next / who they should be asking for further support.

Teacher has said she doesn't advise tutoring, I have been looking at tutors but struggling with finding a tutor who is experienced in SEN, dd has zero self esteem and I need someone very calm or she will just fall apart.

She has only been there over a year, the head teacher is not really approachable nor switched on to sen needs.

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 19:48:55

Where are you based? I bet you I can find someone who is experienced in SEN who might want to tutor.

Am near Manchester, i would be very grateful if you could!

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 19:51:19

God - NO! She has already not progressed in 6 months, she should be having intervention already. This SENCo is making ME cross now!

freddiefrog Thu 06-Dec-12 19:51:22

We've been advised against a tutor too, until we get to the bottoms of how DD learns. Otherwise, we're just putting a sticking plaster over a boil.

Dyspraxia had originally been suggested with DD (they're now looking at ADHD and asd) and our main problems is her working memory, ie, she has none. We've been given lots of activities and games to help her. Has anyone suggested anything like that?

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 19:52:31

Sorry - x posted.

I'm in London which is a bugger. Sorry about that. Definitely make a fuss. Talk to the HT after one last attempt to meet with the SENCo.

I'm a SENCo and if I haven't an appointment with someone after a week I feel terrible. Get on it!

silverfrog Thu 06-Dec-12 19:57:12

if your dd has been there for over a year, and shown little to no progress, then realy truly you need to cut out the middle man (ie school) and move straight to SA.

be prepared ot be turned down. this is standard LA operating procedure.

get your arguments lined up, prepare your case, and go fight for what your dd needs. it will be a fight, unfortunately (as you are already seeing), but you are your child's best (and probably only) advocate.

don't waste anymore time trying to ge tthe school to meet with you and agree a way forward. document all the times you have asked for meetings. write down all the times your dd ahs not progressed/you have asked for extra help.

this will help you in your argument with the LA for a statement.

read the IPSEA pages on how to apply for a statement, and get on with it.

it take s aminimum of 6 months to get a statement in place, so you have no time to lose if you want one before secondary (it took us 3 years to get a statement, despite my dd1's very clear and obviosu needs)

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 19:59:58

If you are going for a statement, can I advise:

Make it very clear in a covering letter what the needs are, what has been done already but even more importantly, what you want from them.

I've been on SEN panels and have good success rate with statement applications, so good luck. Happy to read over stuff if you message me.

silverfrog Thu 06-Dec-12 20:03:24

you are right, please don't judge.

but on the other hand, it can be standard practise for LAs to reject a certain percentage of statement applications regardless of level of covering letter.

I used the standard IPSEA template, not a word more, and got granted assessment on first application. others I know have written far more indepth application letters but been turned down and had to appeal. it's a complete toss up, tbh.

and that's before any real wrangling starts...

Thankyou

That website is very helpful silverfrog thanks.

BackforGood Thu 06-Dec-12 20:09:13

So what was happening in the previous school ? It would seem to me that support should have been in place over some years. Whereas this SENCo doesn't sound very on the ball, surely you should have been a lot further on through input from the SENCo at the last school ?

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 20:09:32

It really can be a complete toss up. But apply - if no luck, apply again etc.

And in the meantime, keep pestering for intervention.

silverfrog Thu 06-Dec-12 20:12:40

they have a helpline too, if your LA start messing around.

SOS!SEN can also be very helpful.

one thing to be wary of - Parent Partnership - they are not always as impartial as they should be, and sometimes work hand in hand with the LA while apparently advising you

IndigoBelle Thu 06-Dec-12 20:18:22

Sarah Freck used to be a regular poster who always sounded like she was a good tutor.

But sounds like your DD needs a lot more than a tutor.

Def apply for a statement yourself. But also be more proactive about working out what her problems are, and what you, school or someone else could do to help her.

backforgood She was in a school were she had full time ta support so although she found things difficult she managed ok and achieved her year 2 sats around lower end of level 2 as she got LOTS of support.
Because of this she has floated round middle groups the whole of infants.

When she moved from infant to Junior school she ended up in a mixed age group and with a TA in class only two half days a week and was getting hardly any support, she really struggled but still in middle groups.

We moved house unavoidable and since joining here she has fell to bottom of bottom group as there is no ta at all in class.

McChristmasPants2012 Thu 06-Dec-12 20:24:42

i was advised against having a tutor as well, but when Senco turned down funding for 1-1 I went ahead any way.

Sorry what mean is infants had a full time TA in class in infants who worked with DD a lot not that SHE personally had a FT TA.

Thankyou Indigo

NannyEggn0gg Thu 06-Dec-12 21:27:02

The HT might seem to not be approachable, but frankly, you can't take any notice of that. She has a statutory duty to your daughter.
Ask for a meeting with CT, HT and Senco, take your DH or someone with you and get wheels in motion to obtain the education to which your daughter is entitled.

Thanks I will, she's been in tears tonight again over the class tests sad she is sat saying she is stupid as kids have been told their NC levels.

I've emailed the tutor indigo thanks.

pleasedontjudge Thu 06-Dec-12 21:49:36

No she's not stupid. I've had the same this week at work with a student. We put too much emphasis on grades. There is so much more to a successful person than the NC levels. Find her strengths, whether it be listening, being kind and supportive and a good friend, enjoying stories, sport etc and encourage her in that.

StarOfLightMcKings3 Thu 06-Dec-12 21:56:13

She's not stupid, the SENCO is stupid and has let her down.

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