in worrying about the world ending on the 21st?

(353 Posts)
kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 11:13:19

I know i'm being irrational but i'm really getting worried. i suffer from anxiety and this is really getting to me.


kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 11:20:14

just me then? i must sound crazy!

Snorbs Wed 05-Dec-12 11:20:41

YANBU but YABirrational.

Did you have a calendar on your wall in 2011? Did you notice the world ending on Dec 31 2011 when your calendar ran out? No? Same thing with this.

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 11:31:45

yeah i know, its just all the stuff i've been reading on it. Its quite scary.

The likelihood is incredibly slim.

The science stuff is basically all false - a quick look at NASA's webpages will tell you that. It's pseudoscience basically - false.

The Mayan stuff - had you honestly ever heard of the Mayans before hearing about 2012? Other than those of us who specifically go out of our way to study such peoples very few will have come across the tribe, or you might know the name but not much else (just like the Aztec, the Incas etc). It seems they were pretty good at predicting the lunar cycles - which is probably a question of good mathematical understanding and tracking what they see the moon doing.

I have never heard of them making any other credible predictions - which does make you wonder why so many people are now trusting in them.

Not only that - but the predictions (all 2 of them, and they were pretty much ilegible and had to be translated) are somewhat specific to their own beliefs and Gods.

On top of that - what can be read (that they "wrote") refers to dates other than 2012 and extends far beyond into the future.

The Mayans that still exist aren't worried either and are saying the end of a cycle is seen as a cause of great celebration (just like we had when we celebrated the millenium)

The believers - the publicised ones - appear to be either a) very mentally ill, b) believers in all manner of oddities and pseudoscience or c) trying to cash in - one of the bigger websites is trying to sell t shirts and survival guides for goodness sake. - is the best place to go, run by credible scientists.

I seriously wouldn't worry if you can help it - try to focus on Christmas instead, plan something nice for the 21st.

I have anxiety too and have been worrying like crazy about this, have done a lot of research into it to try and calm myself down lol.

DowntonNappy Wed 05-Dec-12 11:33:18

I was terrified at the start of the year with the big storms (I'm in Glasgow) etc. And everywhere just had an ominous feeling about it.

But now everyone's full of cheer about Christmas, I'd completely forgotten about the impending Doomsday until i saw this thread.

I've come to the conclusion, it's all nonsense.

There was supposed to be a mad American last year who predicted an alien invasion on 21st May. He created a cult of believers. One of them was a millionaire and blew all his money because he believed he was going to die on that date.

22nd May came and he was very much alive and penniless.

Although I've noticed an abundance of natural disasters being reported over the past few years, and I'm scared about global warming, I don't think anything major will happen on a specific date this month.

Maybe in a good few years (remember the Uk is only a tiny island, i find it astounding we've not had a killer tidal wave or anything yet!), but not right now.

Go on the Nasa website. They have a page dedictaed to Doomsday and how it's scientifically implausable.

Purple2012 Wed 05-Dec-12 11:34:36

I don't believe it, but even if it did happen we wouldn't know about it.

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 11:35:52

thanks for that fed up. Its horrible being so anxious about stuff, especially stuff that i don't even understand.

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 11:36:44

Ah don't worry. If it does it'll be over quick.


It's not going to happen. Just you watch <hopeful>

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 11:39:47

I worry for my dcs, god i feel sick at the thought!

saulaboutme Wed 05-Dec-12 11:40:37

I don't know why cos I've always thought about this and don't think you're silly. It is worrying and they've been talking about it in church recently. I always knew what they are saying now which is only God knows when our world will 'end'. I have respect for all religions, to a point and not everyone believes in higher beings. It's made me anxious too, just try to be optimistic and not worry cos we really don't know and people have been saying this for so many years and then the time passes.

LadyKinbote Wed 05-Dec-12 11:40:41

OP - have you spoken to your GP about your anxiety? Are there other things in your life stressing you out? It seems a real shame to be worrying about this at a time of year when you should be feeling excited and Christmassy smile

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 11:41:23

Have you spoke to your GP about your anxiety?

It's a horrible thing to live with. Have a brew and take deep breaths flowers

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 11:41:50

X with lady

MrsMuddyPuddles Wed 05-Dec-12 11:43:01

YABU to read stuff about it!

I was freaked out, too, then I read the thing that said "since the Mayans didn't have leap years, it should have ended last year" and relaxed. Then I started avoiding THOSE headlines ditto things that say the world is going to hell in a handbasket and have felt better for it. Less stressed, less in need of my diazapam, more at peace.

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 11:44:50

what are you worried about? If the world ends the world ends.

You would literally have nothing to worry about in those circumstances.

InExitCelsisDeo Wed 05-Dec-12 11:44:54

Anybody remember Aztec Bars?

<diverts thread onto chocolate>

RooneyMara Wed 05-Dec-12 11:47:09

It's personal anxiety, that's all...I get it about anything, really, if I'm feeling scared enough in myself. iyswim?

It becomes a focus, it's like, you feel so small, and it feels immense and overwhelmingly relevant and really, if you were feeling Ok, and your life was filled already with good things and positive stuff then it wouldn't bother you - that's why most people don't worry about it and get on with their lives.

I'm not very worried about this thing. I think that's because I'm about to have a baby a couple of weeks later and tbh that carries its own anxiety and I'm very busy with all that.

So either the world ends and I escape giving birth, yay, or it doesn't and I'll have a nice baby.

It's all about how you are in yourself. Huge sympathy though, I totally understand.

Yes I think I do, were they a bit like mars bars?

My favourite chocolate was Top Deck. They were delicious but sadly not made here anymore sad

AnyaKnowIt Wed 05-Dec-12 11:48:28

Because of our leap years, the date has already passed.

Also ask yourself why they managed to predict the world ending, but didn't see the spanish coming smile

I know what you mean. I consider myself a very rational person, but I have to follow current events in detail for work purposes and there is just so much terrible stuff going on at the moment that sometimes it freaks me out and I think the end must be nigh.

My son is only 2 and sometimes it seems impossible that he will grow old in a more or less normal world.

But then, if you look at history, mankind has been through so many bad patches before and we are still here. I try to remember this when I get extra-anxious.

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 11:49:38

I had bad health anxiety last year and had a year of councelling, i've been a lot better until now.

ethelb -how do you know that we won't suffer if this happens, who says it'll be quick?

AnyaKnowIt Wed 05-Dec-12 11:49:55

Oh and the people who have studied the Mayans believe its a load of old tosh!

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 11:50:16

<narrows eyes> exit is that you? wink

I don't remember Aztec bars! Were they nice?

NothingIsAsBadAsItSeems Wed 05-Dec-12 11:50:31

I just can't believe that a civilization unable to understand that drinking water contaminated by human waste would help lead to their downfall could accurately predict the worlds end.

Don't forget that the world was meant to end earlier in the year as well and probably at some point last year too... The date just keeps getting pushed further and further back as each prediction is disproved.

I seem to remember a number of people taking advantage of those who believed that the world would end on May 21st by setting up animal rescue/adoption centers for the animals left behind after the rapture. Did the rapture happen... No. Did some non believers make a fair bit of money from those who did... Yes

BendyBobsBrusselsSprouts Wed 05-Dec-12 11:51:48

Those Mayans sound a right old laugh. Someone should have told them to blimmin well cheer up.

InExitCelsisDeo Wed 05-Dec-12 11:52:59

Yes, tis I wrapped n my Christmas decoration.

You are clearly not old enough to remember Aztec Bars.

They were lush.

BendyBobsBrusselsSprouts Wed 05-Dec-12 11:55:12

grin 'Also ask yourself why they managed to predict the world ending, but didn't see the spanish coming' Lol good point!

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 11:56:08

anya- what difference do the leap years make, its the date that was predicted, the 21st of december is the 21st of december regardless of leap years.

RudolphiaRedNose Wed 05-Dec-12 11:56:52

ethelb grin

We've had a lot of end of the world warnings before. I always love it when the day comes and it's all a bit meh and a totally normal day. There are people who are very attracted to this sort of thing and will blow it up into a massive drama, and of course newspapers love it because it's compelling to read about. The actual evidence behind any of these things always turns out to be completely unworrying and massively misinterpreted so we can all scare ourselves silly.

Think how many things are currently being planned for after Dec 21st. Millions. People aren't cancelling their Christmas presents or New Year's dos or their weddings next year. Because underneath all the woo and scaring each other, we actually think life will go on as it always does.

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 11:58:41

I'm pretty old exit grin

Just googled them. It does ring a bell. Can't remember the taste though.

I'm a Turkish delight girl wink I try to kid myself it's not that fattening!

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 11:59:07

@kayla oh is that what you are worried about?

Well no Mayans predicted that the end of the world would involve suffering (in fact they haven't predicted the end of the world they just didn't both writing a longer calendar) so why would it involve suffering?

I have had anxiety and I think you need to look long and hard at what you realistically can control. And also be cynical about the reasons why people might suggest you can control it ie by buying survival stuff etc.

Plus I don't see why the world ending would mean pain, surely everything would just cease to exist?

RooneyMara Wed 05-Dec-12 11:59:43

It can't, anyway, not if Kate and Wills are having a baby. They wouldn't have allowed it.

RooneyMara Wed 05-Dec-12 12:00:55

I think I'm imagining it'll be quick because they keep saying the world will end ON the 21st...which kind of implies, that'll be it - so if it's going to drag out, it'd better start sharpish because it has only got two weeks in which to be unpleasant.

InExitCelsisDeo Wed 05-Dec-12 12:01:08

Turkish Delight and a box of Rose & Violet Creams are my Christmas indulgences.

The world cannot possibly end until I have partaken.

sieglinde Wed 05-Dec-12 12:01:13

When I was a child in Sydney, a prophet predicted that Christ would walk on the water though the Heads, and end the world. He - the prophet - sold seats in a concrete stadium he built by the harbourside...then a few years later Adelaide was meant to be destroyed by a tsunami. The mayor had to spend the day on the beach to calm the panic. I don't suppose he minded. smile

People thought the world would end in 1000, and 2000, and 1666 (the year of the number of the Beast). None of it happened, duh.

I think you might be worrying about something else, really, or generally feeling anxious.

Viviennemary Wed 05-Dec-12 12:01:27

I got terrified when I was growing up at the thought of a nuclear war. There was some scarey stuff around about it. Like somebody was this close to pressing the red button so we were all a minute away from oblivion. But we're still here so far!

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 12:03:14

grin @ exit
Rose and boiler creams sound divine, where do you purchase such things?

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 12:04:04

Lol not boiler creams. That sounds horrid.


WorraLorraTurkey Wed 05-Dec-12 12:05:31

I've ordered my Xmas food shopping to be delivered on the 22nd just in case

<< Tight fisted >>

RooneyMara Wed 05-Dec-12 12:06:13

1666 was a crap year though, the world's population took a hit I think

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 12:07:26

@roonymara those are my thoughts exactly. if it ends on the 21st it ends on the 21st.

Its nto like revelations which implies the end of the world will last for millenia.

This is a nice, calm, nilistic end of the world theory.

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 12:08:31

I think that its because i've read of polar shifts and the planets aligning, which would make the world change direction causing earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes to erupt, that would not be a quick death, it would be prolonged and terrifying.

I have a lot of stress in my life at the moment which could be a contributing factor to how irrational i am at the moment.

GrrrArghZzzzYaayforall8nights Wed 05-Dec-12 12:09:16

Mayans never predicted the end of the world. And they aren't having a right old laugh - their religious customs and history have been mangled by White academics making profit of their backs. The Mayans of Guatemala are having to sue their own government to stop them putting this bullshit out to advise rich Westerns to take over their holy sites on one of their biggest occasions.

Mayans never predicted the end of the world. And shouldn't be spoken about in past tense, there are over 7 million today. Their rituals and traditions for the end of the long cycle - a giant and holy new years party - have already begun across their traditional sites.

The only thing to fear is which group shall be maligned with this crap next.

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 12:10:17

polar shifts shouldn't cause a problem. Why on earth would the planets aligning cause them to change direction? My understanding is that The momentum that thows the earth around the sun ( so to speak) is far stonger than the impact of some smallish planets hundreds of thousands of miles away.

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 12:11:57

There are NO planetary alignments in December 2012. NONE. Just the usual winter solstice which happens every single December 21st.

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 12:15:04

There was one "major alignment" in 1962, and two in 1982 and 2000.

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 12:15:32

I also read something about a rogue planet heading towards earth, is this all hearsay? i'm not usually this gullible honestly!

FBworry Wed 05-Dec-12 12:15:39

I get anxiety too and this was one of my worries until I thought about it.

Think about- the "world" doesnt know how old it is or what date us humans have assigned to it. It wont " oh this is the date Im supposed to end!"

Humans have messed about with the calender a fair few times anyway, so really what is the date? We used to have the Gregorian calendar until Julius caesar changed it so in reality the date is not "natural".

For cultures that don't use Jesus as a starting point for time it is a different year. I believe the Jewish calendar is about year 5700 ish already! The Chinese calendar is also ahead.

How about different time zones? Does it mean countries ahead of us in time will end first?

Basically nobody can say a date the world is destined to end as there is no real definite date so don't worry smile

GoldQuintessenceAndMyhrr Wed 05-Dec-12 12:17:35

Personally, I would not mind being hit by a massive big rock, or flung out to space.

A bit sad for the kids though, especially so close to Christmas.

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 12:17:42

@kaylasmum there is a rogue planet that may impact the earth in 50+ years if its path is influenced in a certain way in the next few years. The chances are miniascule though.

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 12:18:02

Planet X/Nibiru is the supposed planet. I promise this isn't true! If there was a "rogue planet" close enough to cause any problems in 2 weeks then it would be VISIBLE to ALL by now. There are hundreds of thousands of amateur star gazers around the world and we would 101% know about this so-called rogue planet if it existed.

Viviennemary Wed 05-Dec-12 12:18:56

Mmm. I love rose and violet creams too. And also coffee creams but they're hard to get these days. I did see some in a shop last week but I thought if I get them I won't be able to keep them till Christmas.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 05-Dec-12 12:19:51

Polar shifts have happened since the beginning of time

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 12:21:10

ok, just seen the plant isn't true.

Plus even if it was there is no way it would have any impact on orbit/poles or the seas.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 05-Dec-12 12:21:48

On and with the rouge planet, I'm sure the Americans will take care of that, they had plans to blow up the moon in the 60's.

Asinine Wed 05-Dec-12 12:22:57


Here's how i see it. Even the world is going end then, let's get on with living our lives in the best way possible until then. Enjoy your children while they're young, look after yourself, look out for other people who need help, do something fun. Just don't waste time worrying about things which are highly unlikely to happen.

If you are not able to get on with day to day life, make time to see your GP, and tell them how you are feeling.

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 12:24:09
kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 12:24:11

thank you all for helping to allay my fears, i'm still scared but hopefully i can rationalise a bit better now with all this info. I've been feeling a decline in my mental health since i started to worry about this and i don't want to become as ill as i was last year.

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 12:25:56

Kaylasmum I have ridiculous anxiety problems too, I do know how you feel. Even though I am not religious I was in a terrible anxious state last year when that nutty American predicted "the rapture".

It doesn't take much to set me off but I have done SO much reading and research about this and it really is a hoax.

cozietoesie Wed 05-Dec-12 12:28:23

I get just a little anxious about it but I reckon to be well into the gin by 21st December so with any luck......

InExitCelsisDeo Wed 05-Dec-12 12:31:14


Lakeland is where I get mine, although I have seen them in some of them posh stores like Harvey Nicks.

boiler grin

Rollmops Wed 05-Dec-12 12:33:28

OP, relax. Given the snow is predicted, local Waitrose might run out of essentials, ie, wine etc, however, end of the world it won't be. Pretty awful, admittedly, but not end of the world.

Quote: ''...The Mayan stuff - had you honestly ever heard of the Mayans before hearing about 2012? Other than those of us who specifically go out of our way to study such peoples very few will have come across the tribe, or you might know the name but not much else (just like the Aztec, the Incas etc). ...''

Where do you live, under which rock, may I ask? Even my 4 year old DTs know about Maya culture etc. What did they teach you at school???

conantg Wed 05-Dec-12 12:36:03

Ok:- giants, elves, fairies, leprechauns, angels, day of judgement, flying spaghetti monster, ghosts, ghouls, demons, devils, evil spirits etc. etc. etc. don't exist. They are figments of the human imagination. Stop worrying about them and enjoy your life. If you must worry:- worry about something real e.g. climate change, child poverty etc, and then do something practical about those things. The other stuff is mediaeval claptrap.

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 12:36:41

one more thing, did the mayans make an predictions that have come true?

Rollmops Wed 05-Dec-12 12:36:46

Maya is a Mezoamerican civilization, one wouldn't call it a 'tribe', which, surely, after all your deep research, you are well aware of. hmm

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 12:37:09

exit I've googled. jL sell them wink I shall be trying them.

FBworry Wed 05-Dec-12 12:37:32

Actually we were taught very little about the Aztecs and nothing at all about the Mayans or Incas when I was at school. I would like to know more ,I have no idea why this part of history was ignored.

cozietoesie Wed 05-Dec-12 12:38:20

Now come on, Rollmops. Just have a look at the latest data on Yellowstone.

(Maybe I should open that gin now!)

GoldQuintessenceAndMyhrr Wed 05-Dec-12 12:39:05

Kayla, you have to bear in mind that the Mayans lived long ago, and they predicted an end to the world. Well, their world or civilization has already come to an end!

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 12:42:17

see this is why i worry, one person says the mayans did'nt predict the end of the world and someone else says they did!

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 12:42:53

@kayla no more than any other group of people.

I don't believe they were big on prophesies anyway, which is why they didn't bother to predict the end of the world.

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 12:43:40

Kayla it isn't a prediction that this is based on. It is the fact that the Mayan long count calendar (they had 3 calendars) "ends" on 21st December 2012. However, it simply resets and starts again from 0 if you will. Same as years ago you flipped your calendar from 31st December 1999 to 1st January 2000. Nothing bad happened then, same applies here smile.

(There is also a report somewhere, National Geographic website I think; that shows that further calendars were found in May of this year which show time way in the future, thus proving that nothing is going to "end" in December).

GoldQuintessenceAndMyhrr Wed 05-Dec-12 12:44:03

their world - I doubt they were thinking of the Brits!

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 12:44:51

@kayla I think Gold is joking grin

Our civilisation is open to the possibility of the end of the world when the sun expands and engulfs it. But say someone picked up a computer in 2990 and noticed that it wasn't programmed past 3000. Do you think they should freak out as we had 'predicted the end of the world in 3000'?

because this is the exact same thing!

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 12:46:33

where has all this come from then?

GoldQuintessenceAndMyhrr Wed 05-Dec-12 12:46:47

What do you think future archaeologists will make off this calendar where 16th and 17th of February happens twice in 2013!?

ENormaSnob Wed 05-Dec-12 12:47:25

If it makes you feel better I think Nostradamus has predicted a third world war sometime this century. That hasn't happened yet so I don't think the world will end on the 21st.

GoldQuintessenceAndMyhrr Wed 05-Dec-12 12:47:33

ethelb cleverly predicted my joke!

See! grin


Admittedly my "history" lessons at school were limited; we studied the Romans at one stage, WW1 and WW2 several times, Scottish history, Russian history and very little else! Can only blame that on going to a teeny tiny rural school which then burnt to the ground when I was eight (so had a limited education all round) ..

Didn't think there was too much of a difference between civilisation and tribe anyway - I'd have thought they meant the same thing, ah well :D

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 12:50:10

@kayla did yo read the link?

People mis-understand the information abotu the Myan calendar either deliberatly (to create a hoax) or non-deliberatly as some people have done.

People create hoaxes abotu the end of the world as it makes money. There is a large apolcalyptic christian (see Sarah palin) and doomsdayer movement in the US at the moment and as such a large proportion of the internet is produced in the US, a lot of doomsdayer info is online at the moment.

have a look at the doomsdayer threads on here (they were a bit mocking but explained what these slightly paranoid people did in the US)

FBworry Wed 05-Dec-12 12:51:02


I think if we started a prediction thread right now, and somebody found it in 500 years there is bound to be things on there which come true.

Your bound to get it right at least once!

Yarg Wed 05-Dec-12 12:53:26

End of the world? Bring it on. I'd get time off work (presumably).

Rollmops Wed 05-Dec-12 12:54:47

Well, Thera is much closer to home, cozietozie and it erupted not that long ago, historically speaking. Martini, anyone?

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 13:16:26

i did read the link and it has definately helped a little but i don't think i'll relax until the 22nd!

christmasiscominghellokitty Wed 05-Dec-12 13:25:06

i am moving house on the 20th

noddyholder Wed 05-Dec-12 13:27:48

My son has an end of the world party on the 21st Any ideas for a costume grin

ENormaSnob Wed 05-Dec-12 13:30:44

A horseman?

Or a zombie?

specialsubject Wed 05-Dec-12 13:32:49

reasonable to have anxiety problems - can you get help?

YABU to worry about this. Basic science. It's not going to happen. Everybody is taught science at school and the number of people that will spend even a minute believing this tosh disgusts me.

JakeBullet Wed 05-Dec-12 13:34:29

Kaylasmum I understand your anxieties ....been there with my mental health too but I will meet you back on this thread on 22nd The Mayan calendar will simply reset as it were...we are not going to die on 21st December. This stuff has been spread to con money out of people simply. Some will fall for it which makes it worthwhile for the con artists.confused

Also take a look at the website called "No More Panic" which has loads of supportive boards, I haven't used it recently but I would bet this has come up there too.....might take a look actually.

noddyholder Wed 05-Dec-12 13:34:44

Thanks Enorma as I fear I will be making it!

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 13:35:14

specialsubject - i disgust you then? a bit harsh!

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 13:37:30

hi jake - i've been on no more panic before, its a really good website.

Rollmops Wed 05-Dec-12 13:39:08

'Chicken Licken' must be banned! [raises pitchfork] Spreading panic and chaos amongst the populace. Disgrace!

cheekybaubles Wed 05-Dec-12 13:39:58

kayla I promise you that the world will not end of the 21st. I never break a promise. smile
Get yourself ready for Christmas and enjoy the excitement with your DC's.

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 13:46:58

I second No More Panic. It is a great website. Next door are probably hoping the world will end soon as I am having great fun playing silent night loudly on my stylophone grin

The Yellowstone thing scares me to death, 2012 not so much

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 14:17:23

what is the yellowstone thing?

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 14:28:02

Volcano in America, classed as a "super volcano".

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 14:29:04

is it predicted to erupt some time soon?

AboutThyme Wed 05-Dec-12 14:31:40

No, there is no indication that an eruption is due. It is overdue in the sense that it has been a long time since the last big one but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

MrsMuddyPuddles Wed 05-Dec-12 14:34:57

Oy conantg! The Flying Spaghetti Monster is 20th centruy claptrap, I'll have you know!


perceptionreality Wed 05-Dec-12 14:42:35

Oh poor you kaylasmum. It's not going to happen, honestly. I heard a programme about it in the summer on radio 4 with people who said that the idea the world will actually end on that date is based on a misunderstanding.

ethelb Wed 05-Dec-12 14:44:10

kayla, as someone who has had anxiety before you need to figure out what you think worrying will achieve. i used to think that it meant I wouldn't make little mistakes. And to a degree that is true. Worrying about holidays etc means I have always had trips that ran quite smoothly.

However, what is the point in worrying about the world ending as there is nothing you can do. You can't actually prepare for every eventuality and this is one of them.

Put it this way. If it happens, bugger all we can do about it. So why waste time worrying about it.

I doubt it will. Wouldn't bother me if it did, though.

UnknownGnome Wed 05-Dec-12 14:55:36

I'm a huge worrier, but I'm not worried at all about the December 21st thing.

What I do worry about is a solar flare knocking out all the power worldwide and nobody being able to do anything about it. I panic about the anarcy that would ensue in the hours following. I've been having panic attacks about that recently and was seriously wishing we had some kind of nuclear bunker to run to when it happens.

Or the world running out of fuel...anarcy...lawless society...everyone for themselves.

And the Yellowstone thing. That really worries me.

But the Mayan 2012 prediction? Nah. I'm not convinced.

Thanks for the link to No More Panic...I think I'll debunk there for a while!

Listen, no-one can predict the end of the world, it's just NONSENSE. It makes no logical sense whatsoever.

It will not happen on 21st December.

The end of the world has been predicted (wrongly, obviously) so many times before.

Forget about it, it's just RUBBISH.

Pendeen Wed 05-Dec-12 15:23:07

Cadbury's 'Old Jamacia' for me...

Oh and OP, how about this for a promise. The world will definitely not end on 21st but if it does I will pay you £10,000.


cheekybaubles Wed 05-Dec-12 16:02:55

Hmmm, trying to outdo my promise then pendeen? I will see you and raise you £10,000

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 16:21:55

I know worrying about it does'nt change anything but because of my anxieties its so difficult to stop. Its my kids i worry about.

12ylnon Wed 05-Dec-12 16:28:03

Get yourself a go-bag ready to put your mind at ease. This website is great.
I too have anxiety about these things, not really the world ending, but zombies floods etc, like in the same way that if i hear a noise in the house, it's definitely the girl from the ring, even though i don't believe in ghosts.
But really, it's superstitious twaddle, you have nothing to be afraid of.

12ylnon Wed 05-Dec-12 16:29:28
RooneyMara Wed 05-Dec-12 16:48:14

Yellowstone info

Doesn't look, well, likely to be happening for a bit!

kaylasmum Wed 05-Dec-12 17:24:57

12 - sorry but that has made me more anxious.

WeezyPeezy Wed 05-Dec-12 17:57:36

My mate's an astronomer and reckons the solar flare won't occur until mid to late April. I'd say just enjoy Christmas and don't fret about your waistlines. She warned me not to max out my credit card so she's not worried!! smile

Blu Wed 05-Dec-12 18:21:57

KaylasMum, where are you getting all this stuff?

I read broadsheet newspapers with highly educated science editors, and none of them are talking about this. They talk about climate change, but not this. Why would that be?

The governments of the developed world have highly paid top scientists advising on all sorts of things - all over the world, huge building projects are going on, hospitals are pouring resources into curing people of diseases, why would they be doing all that if the world was going to end?

Your bank - if the world was going to end, they would lend you millions and not worry about getting it back if ther was no future. test that in your bank tomorrow grin

The top international physicists - some of the brainiest folk in the world - at CERN in Switzerland have come close to discovering what could be the beginning of the world, and seem to have no discoveries at all concerning the end of the world on Dec 21st!

Obviously the real issue is your anxiety, and that you have focussed it on this. But you must be seeking out this stuff, because as I say i have come across none of it. Stop looking for myths perpetrated by nutters who love messing with people's heads.

Lots of things to worry about that you can actually solve - in my case it would be a pile of laundry, what on earth is happening with the electric on my car, and after-school childcare next Thursday. You too must have a list like that - worry about it, do something about it, feel better!

FBworry Wed 05-Dec-12 18:27:03


Great post smile

Im interested in this;

"at CERN in Switzerland have come close to discovering what could be the beginning of the world"

What are the discoveries?

Blu Wed 05-Dec-12 18:35:43

FBWorry - Please, please don't take this as accurate, I am a mere arts graduate grin. But as I understand it particle physicists have been exploring what happened in the nano-seconds of time after the Big Bang, and umm, particles, possibly called the Higgs Boson, separated out - because some ions go right and some go left - into matter and anti-matter. This could explain the origins of the universe.

They have been studyng the behaviour of particles when they collide into each other by sending them at unimaginable speeds round a tube - the Large Hadron Collider - which is a particle accelerator. They use huge magnnetic forces to speed the particles up round 27 miles of undergorund tunnels, and cause particles to crash into each other so that they can observe what happens.

It is the same research centre that sent particles in underground tunnels to italy and thought they had discovered a particle, a neutrino, that could travel faster than the speed of light. However subsequent tests have shown the results to be the result of equipment malfunction.

FBworry Wed 05-Dec-12 18:39:54

Cool. DH said something about a dog being helped to walk again after been paralysed but I might have not been listening that well at the time smile

Blu Wed 05-Dec-12 18:42:49

I suspect that CERN can explain things more clearly and accurately than me. It's fascinating stuff. Not sure they have started on dog miracles yet, though.

SomeTiggyPudding Wed 05-Dec-12 18:45:07

OK. Assume for a minute that the world will end on the 21st. What are you going to do about it? Scream for the next 2 weeks? I would suggest just getting on with your life as if nothing will happen, which it probably won't.

FBworry Wed 05-Dec-12 18:53:58

"Dog miracles"


Sookeh Wed 05-Dec-12 19:03:25

I've posted my story on a couple of threads before but I understand 100% where you're coming from.

All the 2012 shite is perpetrated by a bunch of scaremongering arseholes to make money. They took a misunderstanding, saw how profitable it could be and just ran with it.

Try not to google, do your best to stay calm and look forward to Christmas, it'll still roll round this year smile.

RooneyMara Thu 06-Dec-12 10:07:27

I don't believe in anti-matter, unless it's what they use to make Marmite.

x2boys Thu 06-Dec-12 10:28:24

nostradamus predicted a load of stuff that was supposed to have come true but when you actually look at the predictions they are very subjective same with mayans and other claptrap i actually thought the date was 22nd of december?

Anniegetyourgun Thu 06-Dec-12 10:33:37

Just relax and enjoy the music smile

pingpongmerrilyonhigh Thu 06-Dec-12 11:05:11

Agrees Aztec Bars were well lush.

<pats Kaylas hand >
The world is not going to end.
Mumsnet has spoken.

It's hard when suffering from anxiety to get things into perspective and sort out fact from bumf spouted by those with an agenda.
Do you think you need to discuss your increase in anxiety with your doc?

kaylasmum Thu 06-Dec-12 12:56:49

hi, i'm feeling less anxious today so hope it was just a blip in my otherwise fairly stable mental health. I've had lots of family stress over the past few weeks and these kind of things can trigger bad anxiety episodes. I'm just going to try to putit out of my mind for now until i see something else about it in the media.

Thanks for everyone thats tried to calm my fears.

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Thu 06-Dec-12 14:04:41

AboutThyme Thanks for the links. I knew 2012 was bunk, but now I can direct people to good info grin

emblosion Thu 06-Dec-12 14:23:07

Sure, even if the world was to end there'd be nowt we could do about it, so worrying is a total waste of time!

FrequentFlyerRandomDent Thu 06-Dec-12 14:30:51


The only worry about these end of world stories is that some loonies will believe it and organise a massive attack somewhere, 7/7 style. Or make a movie where zillions of people die horrid deaths but the shy, underdog hero still gets to kiss the girl of his dreams.

FrequentFlyerRandomDent Thu 06-Dec-12 14:32:54

Glad you are feeling better today.

ChippingInAWinterWonderland Thu 06-Dec-12 14:40:04

KaylasMum - I am glad you are feeling better today. I can't imagine my daily life being impacted by things like this as yours is, it must be so very hard.

handsandknees Thu 06-Dec-12 14:43:55

Well, it had bloody well better not end. I have a holiday booked from 29th.

Seriously, though, I hope you are feeling better OP.

perceptionreality Thu 06-Dec-12 14:47:12

I'm glad you feel better too - I know what anxiety is like. I've had mental health problems in the past and I'm much better these days but I have the odd anxious day when it feels like things are going to go wrong when there is no rational reason to think it. Even if you know it's your state of mind it feels real.

kaylasmum Thu 06-Dec-12 22:13:43

Well fingers crossed the 22nd of december still comes round.

guccigirl666 Thu 06-Dec-12 22:34:41

I also have anxiety but feel strangely calm about this... I worried myself sick in the past about the world ending - the number 11 stalked me for a while and on 11/11/11 I was a nervous wreck, and NOTHING HAPPENED :D The one thing anxiety has taught me is that 9/10 you have nothing to worry about, and if for whatever reason your worry is founded, it's never as bad as you worry it will be.

Pandemoniaa Fri 07-Dec-12 00:16:00

Look, if the world were to end on the 21st December (which it won't) you wouldn't know anything about it. Because it would have ended.

ike1 Fri 07-Dec-12 00:25:52

Anyway it ended 31st dec 1999 when all the computers in the world crashed and microchips imploded. x

kaylasmum Fri 07-Dec-12 11:57:32

If it were just to end in an instant that Would be fine. Its the thought of volcanoes erupting, earhquakes ans tsunami that worry me. The thought of my children going through that terrifies me!

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FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Fri 07-Dec-12 16:37:08

The website listed earlier by AboutThyme is very good:

No doom and gloom, just careful debunking of the whole shebang. I spent an enjoyable afternoon yesterday wasting time reading it blush

HeadlessChristmasLambrini Fri 07-Dec-12 17:04:52

My theory about the whole thing, based on extreme scientific research is that the mayans were just happily sitting there drafting out their calendars, when their mum's called them in for tea, and afterwards they just didn't fancy carrying on.

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Fri 07-Dec-12 17:22:28

Had to giggle.

My new sofa's are being delivered on the 21st!

Hopefully grin

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 07-Dec-12 19:41:04

sky news have issused appocolypse warnings about staying safe? and everyone is saying not to worry? Im shitting myself now.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 07-Dec-12 19:45:40

i am actually terrified now

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 07-Dec-12 19:46:38

why would they say that if it wasnt going to happen

Rocking the Sky News report is a piss-take. "Fit a smoke alarm"???? It should make you feel better as all the big institutions quoted are laughing about it smile

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 07-Dec-12 19:56:39

it still scares me does everyone honestly think its not going to happen?

It is NOT going to happen. I used to get sucked into all these crap "predictions" and actually feel scared. Then I did some research and realised what total bollocks they all are (including this one).

Basically to summarise, the Mayans calendar runs out on that day (except it actually ran out last year due to them ignoring leap days). It is the same as looking at your 2012 diary and shitting yourself that the world will end on Dec 31st 2012 as that's the last day your diary has in it......

kaylasmum Fri 07-Dec-12 20:41:44

did sky news really issue warnings? thats sounds really scary.

flow4 Fri 07-Dec-12 20:49:36

I tried convincing my kids that if the world was going to end on 22nd Dec, there wasn't any point in me buying them Christmas presents wink ...
They pointed out the smartypants! that if the world was going to end, I wouldn't need money, so there was no point saving it, and in fact I might as well give them presents today and every day til the 22nd! grin grin

BTW, have you seen this marvellous very short YouTube clip of the Australian Prime Minister announcing the end of the world?! grin

kaylasmum Fri 07-Dec-12 20:59:12

flow- how old are your kids? are they not concerned about it? if i mentioned it in front of my dd aged 9 she would be very upset.

Fakebook Fri 07-Dec-12 21:04:50

On Thursday evening the electricity in our house went on and off really quickly. The lights kept going dim and then back to normal again. DH was at work but this morning he told me their electricity at work kept going dim and then bright again. He says all their electrical equipment had to be reset again. Is this something to do with the solar flare or something? It happened on 6th dec at around 7pm

kaylasmum Fri 07-Dec-12 21:07:38

has there been a solar flare recently? I did'nt know there had been one, does anyone know if this has happened before?

flow4 Fri 07-Dec-12 21:11:25

Mine are older, ksmum - 17 and nearly 13... And they both have quite a wicked sense of humour grin.

Your DD may well sense your worry and be upset too. Kids do tend to pick up on our emotions, don't they? smile But really, don't fret: it's nonsense, honestly smile

GrimmaTheNome Fri 07-Dec-12 21:11:56

>has there been a solar flare recently? I did'nt know there had been one, does anyone know if this has happened before?

Yes, of course its happened before, scientists know a lot about them. Solar flares are a natural phenomenon which occur on a roughly 11 year cycle.

kaylasmum Fri 07-Dec-12 21:14:59

I'm trying very hard to keep my anxiety hidden, so don't think she would pick up on anything.

Grimma- are solar flares reason for concern?

GrimmaTheNome Fri 07-Dec-12 21:15:46

Re Facebooks question - possibly - I heard we're due for some and 'Massive solar flares are sometimes associated with coronal mass ejections which can trigger geomagnetic storms that have been known to knock out electric power for extended periods of time.'

GrimmaTheNome Fri 07-Dec-12 21:18:15

>Grimma- are solar flares reason for concern?
maybe if you work for a power company or suchlike or you're an astronaut.

Morloth Fri 07-Dec-12 21:27:52

Will worrying help?

Let's say it is true, what difference will it make if you worry about it?

flow4 Fri 07-Dec-12 21:29:15

Flares have always happened - the earliest recorded ones were about 700AD, and the earliest scientifically observed ones were over 150 years ago. They are pretty common, and there was one yesterday... smile
You can find out about flare activity here:

Fakebook Fri 07-Dec-12 21:33:52

Yes I've read somewhere we're due for some big solar flares which is why I thought my electricity was going dim. Apparently they effect radio waves.

Another thing I've heard is that the poles will change. I can't remember the word for it but the north will turn to south and the south to north so it will affect magnetism and suchlike. When I was in school they taught us in year 3 that every 100 years there's a polar shift (that's the word). I don't know if this is true though. We should be due for one soon if it is true.

ChippingInAWinterWonderland Fri 07-Dec-12 21:41:55

Kaylasmum - I was hoping you wouldn't see this, I can't think why Rocking posted it on your thread so that you were bound to see it sad

Rocking - considering you are now worried by this after hearing about it on Skye news, WHY would you post it where someone else who was worried anyway would see it? <shakes head>

BOTH of you - the end of the world (and all the rest of it) has been predicted over and over again and we are all still here. I have lots of chocolate and baileys planned for Christmas and I'll be buggered if the world is going to be allowed to end before then!!

In all seriousness, the world is not going to end. Not on the 21st of Dec nor for a very long time after that. If you are seriously still worried about it, you need to get some/more/better therapy x

perceptionreality Fri 07-Dec-12 22:59:57

The Sky News thing is a joke!

To the people worried about this - why are you any more worried about this prediction than previous ones? confused

MysticMugBug Fri 07-Dec-12 23:05:58

i have terrible anxiety if i don't take my anti-deps - sertraline.
I know how horrible it is, the quote 'fear is a prison' is v true.
Maybe try and get some help from your GP, i did and i'm so glad, but i was worried i wouldn't be taken seriously

kaylasmum Sat 08-Dec-12 18:07:10

I told my dp of my worries today and he said he can understand why i would be worried, because of all the things that have been happening in the world lately. He is usually the level headed one!

flow4 Sat 08-Dec-12 22:51:54

I don't think more bad things have happened; I just think we hear about them much more... When I was young, there were only 3 TV channels, half a dozen newspapers and no internet - so therefore only very limited opportunities to ever hear about things like solar flares and Mayan calendars...

DeckTheHallsWithBoughsOfJolly Sat 08-Dec-12 22:57:54

I don't worry about things like the world ending. Generally I figure that there's no point in worrying if there's nothing I can do about a possible issue.

And if there is action I can take I should be taking it rather than wasting my time worrying.

kaylasmum Mon 10-Dec-12 12:15:48

after feeling a little less anxious yesterday its hit me full force today! I wish i could speak to a scientist or some mayan history expert. God i sound totally mad!!

kaylasmum Mon 10-Dec-12 12:17:54

been reading about people in china buying up supplies, same in russia!!

SledsImOn Mon 10-Dec-12 12:21:11

I can't bloody wait tbh. Bring it on.

kaylasmum Mon 10-Dec-12 12:24:33

sleds do you have kids? i fear for my dcs.

Pandemoniaa Mon 10-Dec-12 12:29:27

Please stop torturing yourself with this. Especially stop Googling up the millions of scare stories that are posted by bonkers conspiracy theorists.

InExitCelsisDeo Mon 10-Dec-12 12:31:47

But if the world is due to end on the 21st, what is the point of buying supplies? There will be no 22nd on which to use them.


Pandemoniaa Mon 10-Dec-12 12:32:27

I like your logic, InExit.

kaylasmum Mon 10-Dec-12 12:33:55

yeah i did think that seemed a bit strange, i really am trying to think rationally but not easy when you suffer from anxiety.

Pandemoniaa Mon 10-Dec-12 12:34:59

Try not to feed your anxiety, though kaylasmum.

kaylasmum Mon 10-Dec-12 12:36:55

i know i should'nt be doing this as i've had cbt and i'm doing all the wrong things.

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 10-Dec-12 12:45:12

It's real zombies I am worried about, I think I am pretty prepared for that though. smile

I am quite worried about it though, no idea why.

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 10-Dec-12 12:45:44

Don't worry about my link though, the zombies are in Florida, not here. grin

Flisspaps Mon 10-Dec-12 12:46:30

They could be buying supplies in anticipation of a harsh winter (in the post 21 December days!)

perceptionreality Mon 10-Dec-12 12:48:58

The citizens of China and Russia (unless I'm mistaken) are not allowed to have much access to information about the world around them. They are kept ignorant about worldwide news by their own governments aren't they (ie they don't have access to all the information on the net that we have)? Just saying that they are unlikely therefore to be in the best position to know for sure what might or might not happen?

My dad has mentioned to me before about the Cold War era and the uncertainty over someone pushing the 'red button'. I'm guessing that was more of a worry at the time than a Mayan Calendar prophecy which has anyway been misinterpreted. The biggest thread to our world, imo is a war caused by people.

Kaylasmum - is there something you can do to distract yourself?

AnyaKnowIt Mon 10-Dec-12 12:52:03
SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 10-Dec-12 12:52:34

Fliss I have just sent an email to Asda, suggesting they sell one of their American products here.


FivesGoldNorks Mon 10-Dec-12 12:57:32

OP did you read this:

GrrrArghZzzzYaayforall8nights Wed 05-Dec-12 12:09:16
Mayans never predicted the end of the world. And they aren't having a right old laugh - their religious customs and history have been mangled by White academics making profit of their backs. The Mayans of Guatemala are having to sue their own government to stop them putting this bullshit out to advise rich Westerns to take over their holy sites on one of their biggest occasions.

Mayans never predicted the end of the world. And shouldn't be spoken about in past tense, there are over 7 million today. Their rituals and traditions for the end of the long cycle - a giant and holy new years party - have already begun across their traditional sites.

The only thing to fear is which group shall be maligned with this crap next.

and from Blu

The top international physicists - some of the brainiest folk in the world - at CERN in Switzerland have come close to discovering what could be the beginning of the world, and seem to have no discoveries at all concerning the end of the world on Dec 21st!

This thread is unlikely to be helping you any more. Please channel your energies into dealing with your anxiety issues. You have a lot of self awareness which is good. You know this is nonsense, but people feed off it (me included) as it's good drama. However for people like you it's not. So this is the point at which the line is drawn between fact and drama, and this is on the "giant lizard Royal family" side.

SchroSawMummyRidingSantaClaus Mon 10-Dec-12 12:58:44

I admit, I feed off it a bit as well. I blame MN and introducing me to ATS. grin

AnyaKnowIt Mon 10-Dec-12 12:59:54

Or how about this

Two more mayan experts saying its a load of old bollocks

FivesGoldNorks Mon 10-Dec-12 13:05:47

Yes, if you enjoy the Walking Dead, and disaster/post nuclear type films which many do, then it's quite interesting to discuss this stuff as if it's real. But I've just been wrapping my Christmas presents, so I don't actually believe it in the slightest.

I suffer from anxiety OP (am on meds) and I know exactly what you mean. One of my main (daft) fears in giant waves ... so the ads for 2012 film scared the living shit out of me!!

At the beginning of 2012 I was in pieces about it, nightmares and everything.

TBH I've thrown myself into Xmas and am doing OK and not thinking about it now, I'm really not.

I 'll tell you what though 1st Jan 2013 is going to be a big celebration day wink

SledsImOn Mon 10-Dec-12 14:41:39

Yes OP I have kids...surely you didn't think I meant that I really want us all to die?

This is the thing - for most people this sort of 'information' stops just outside our headspace and we can joke about it, it isn't frightening, it's just a silly idea that some people like to propagate.

For the rest of us, it doesn't stop, it goes right in and undermines our entirethinking.

I've been in both places and can understand how you feel. But you need to see that it isn't anything outside of you, making you anxious. It's purely how you are reacting to something that most people choose not to react to.

Maybe if you figure out what you're really afraid of you could work on some techniques to keep that under control and stop being so afraid - but putting it onto something as bizarre as this is just a displacement activity and won't help you cope.

If you've had CBT you'll know what I'm on about - good luck and did I mention, stop having any caffeine at all - tea, coffee, cola, chocolate. see how that works for a week or so - you might be surprised (if you do have caffeine now that is - if you don't then ignore me)

kaylasmum Mon 10-Dec-12 18:17:47

Sorry sled, i did'nt realise you were joking! One of my biggest fears is not being able to protect my dcs,

SledsImOn Mon 10-Dec-12 19:05:28

no worries! smile

Where do you think that particular fear comes from? It might help to explore the reasons behind it if it is something that worries you a great deal.

kaylasmum Mon 10-Dec-12 19:17:33

I'vr discussed this with my therapist, my anxiety usually centres around my health and worrying that i'll die and leaving my kids and how they would cope without me.

NuclearStandoff Mon 10-Dec-12 20:27:55

first I've heard of this.

it is bloody worrying.

My birthday is on the 22nd, and I will miss it if this comes true.

loopylou6 Tue 11-Dec-12 09:01:44

No point worrying, if it does happen, we'll all just go pop and that'll be that smile

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Tue 11-Dec-12 10:23:51

i ssaw a tv show last night bout 2012 end of the world and it was dead scary the solar flares etc

kaylasmum Tue 11-Dec-12 11:12:24

how do you know that it would an instant thing, i'v read that it could be things like flooding, earthquakes, tsunamis and solar flares. Thats not going to be quick!

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Tue 11-Dec-12 11:47:23

OP are you in a constant state of anxiety all the time?

AnyaKnowIt Tue 11-Dec-12 13:04:44

But flooding, earthquakes ect happen all the time, it doesn't mean the world is going to end.

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AnyaKnowIt Tue 11-Dec-12 13:48:14

Sorry Rapture290 but I'll take my chances with science, not some book written thousands of years ago

Snorbs Tue 11-Dec-12 14:34:04

Rapture, every generation for well over a thousand years has had some group or other claim that the Bible has predicted the Imminent End Of The World As We Know It.

And yet every single time they were flat-out wrong.

How odd. It's almost as if some people deliberately use fear to try to entice people into believing in their particular version of a religion.

ChippingInAWinterWonderland Tue 11-Dec-12 14:36:54

Don't engage with Rapture290. Given the history, it's simply not worth it.

GrimmaTheNome Tue 11-Dec-12 15:05:15

I'm sure there is a good comedy sketch to be had of a bunch of Christian rapture-predictors finding the end is nigh...but it's some long-neglected Mayan deity in charge.

But that's all this sort of idiocy is good for - comedy. Its sad when people give it any credance.

Pandemoniaa Tue 11-Dec-12 15:24:09

Don't even read the Raptureshyte, kaylasmum. The world will not end on the 21st December nor in 5 years to come. This sort of bollocks is liberally spread around, like a toxic form of margarine, precisely to cause anxiety. Which is what makes it all the more contemptible.

If you are having problems overcoming this latest attempt to cause panic then go back to your GP or counsellor and talk it through with someone sensible. Avoid the internet.

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Tue 11-Dec-12 15:34:00


Your so-called predictions are a load of codswallop. Each generation tries to fit those "predictions" into their life and times, and each generation fails abysmally. The passages that pass for "predictions" in the bible are twisted and stretched to fit the latest views, and this can be done because they are so ambiguous.

The bible is as much use for prediction as a chocolate teapot. I much prefer to believe in science.

Jossysgiants Tue 11-Dec-12 15:34:15

Ugh Rapture- the Op has said she is suffering from anxiety. What are you trying to achieve by your post????? Very irresponsible.

kaylasmum Tue 11-Dec-12 17:19:44

Thankfully I did'nt read raptures post.

I'm not in a constant state of anxiety but the worry is in my mind all the time.

AnyaKnowIt Tue 11-Dec-12 18:27:13

Rapture was a troll, so you aren't missing much op smile

flow4 Tue 11-Dec-12 20:10:16

Here's what NASA say: about it. "The world will not end in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012." And you'd think that if anyone knew, it'd be them!
more here

kaylasmum Wed 12-Dec-12 10:48:56

hi flow4, i had a look at that and it is reassuring but i read somewhere else that they would'nt tell us if they knew something as it would cause mass panic.

perceptionInaPearTree Wed 12-Dec-12 12:25:43

'i read somewhere else that they would'nt tell us if they knew something as it would cause mass panic.'

This is true, so using that logic, if there is a date when our government knows the world will end, we wouldn't even have heard what that might be anyway.

It comes to the point that we cannot control everything and that the best thing to do is get on with your life! Seriously. I know it's hard when you're anxious but you could worry every day about this sort of thing. There are many, many things that are beyond our control.

Jossysgiants Wed 12-Dec-12 12:38:07

Kayla - I have been where you are. Terrible health anxiety, plus anxiety about things such as this. Thank god, i have been a lot better for quite some time. It is horrible, and so I am saying what I am going to say now with a huge amount of sympathy. Please stop doing this - you are feeding the beast of your anxiety by searching on the Internet, and even returning to this thread. You mentioned your Cbt so you will know this. My Cbt counsellor was adamant about this - the salve which is provided by the reassurances lasts only so long. And then the cycle starts again. There is always something else to read which contradicts what you have just read. This whole 2012 thing is utter bollocks - everyone has given very good reasons why this is so. But that is really by the by. Do nice things for yourself which require you to just be in the moment, and quieten the anxiety. Running, yoga, dancing anything. Stay off the Internet for a while if you can. Unmumsnetty hugs to you.

Tamoo Wed 12-Dec-12 13:03:36

The government cannot predict earthquakes, tsunamis etc and anyway none of these would be devastating on a global scale.

They could predict rogue planets, asteroids etc heading towards Earth, and they could attempt a cover up, however there are so many thousands of professional and amateur astronomers watching the skies at all times that I doubt a cover up would last very long!

And for space kind of things the advance warning period is likely to be years. Frankly it's almost impossible for the kind of scenario to occur whereby there's a globally cataclysmic distaster that takes us all by surprise.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Wed 12-Dec-12 19:54:01

i said to my dp bout the government not telling us and he thinks im talking a load of shit.

Mimishimi Thu 13-Dec-12 05:01:34

I'm more concerned about some unscrupulous people taking advantage of this fear to stage certain events...

GrimmaTheNome Thu 13-Dec-12 11:47:54

If the government (UK or US or any EU) knew the world was about to end, do you think they'd be bothering to worry about debt and imposing austerity etc?

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 11:52:48

The over-anxious mind responds to that by thinking, well of course they don't want to create mass panic so they are acting as though they are worrying about debt etc. when in actual fact they are hiding in a bunker under a mountain.

MyLittleAprilSunshine Thu 13-Dec-12 12:04:31

I was nervous about it as have anxiety too but all this info has really helped. smile

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 12:11:22

I was one of the people spouting helpful info and now my anxiety has peaked and I'M worrying! <not helpful>

Jingleflobba Thu 13-Dec-12 12:25:18

If rapture's post was about revelations then they're talking crap, troll or not. The bible iirc says that no one knows when it will happen and wouldn't take a pagan calendar as a source would it?
DS came home talking about this the other day and told me that as the our own calendar has changed (from the Julien to the Gregorian) as far as the mayan prediction is concerned then it is actually 17something rather than 2012. I want to sit in his RE class, sounds much more interesting than the one I had at school!

kaylasmum Thu 13-Dec-12 14:56:30

AboutThyme - you are spot on about the over anxious mind!

Well i've been googling and got myself into a real state, been reading about a supposed large planet hiding behind the sun and people having taken photos of the sun showing this planet behind it! anxiety is sky high right now.

Pandemoniaa Thu 13-Dec-12 15:00:00

Please, please, please stop googling, kaylasmum! You are feeding your anxieties. Jossygiants gives you some excellent advice so please try and follow it. I would also suggest you hide this thread. Not because anything awful is going to happen on the 21st but because it has now become another source of anxiety for you.

perceptionInaPearTree Thu 13-Dec-12 15:30:47

Kaylasmum you need to keep away from the laptop for a while - this must be awful for you!

As I said I suffered with anxiety disorder and your responses remind me of myself about 10 years ago. I started to get preoccupied with some unfounded notion that my stomach was unable to digest food. I then started panicking every time I ate and eventually convinced myself I had cancer. Then, while googling I found something which said that people with blood group A are more likely to get stomach cancer. Well that was it, I was convinced I must therefore have it!

Now what I am trying to say is that although this felt very real to me at the time, it was of course totally illogical. And you need to tell yourself it's not rational. Hard I know! I had a course of CBT to sort mine out which helped.

I am sorry you're going through this sad

kaylasmum Thu 13-Dec-12 15:43:31

hi, health anxiety has been my problem. I was very ill last year, i was convinced i had bowel cancer. i had cbt for a year and have been doing really well until now. I'm back in the grip of anxiety once again and struggling to cope.

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 16:07:30

I feel really sorry for you kaylasmum, I know exactly what you are going through. It doesn't seem rational to lots of people and indeed when the anxiety is at a low ebb it doesn't seem rational to us does it! The others are right though, you (and I probably!) need to step away from the internet because it isn't helping. <hug>

perceptionInaPearTree Thu 13-Dec-12 16:52:20

In my case I have only been consistently well since I had 2 years of psychotherapy. It wasn't available on the NHS but I have been much better since. Although I did also have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. I am happy to say that since the psychotherapy I can function again with no medication, no MH episodes since. I do still have my anxious days but I can so much more easily choose to ignore it and know that it will pass and it doesn't escalate.

kaylasmum Thu 13-Dec-12 16:58:26

Thanks for the understanding, I've given myself a bad headache with all the anxiety, got to go to work soon but I just want to go to bed so my mind can get a rest.

MissNJE Thu 13-Dec-12 21:00:37

I hope not. Fly to NYC on the 22nd and paid a fortune for the flights&hotel.

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 22:02:57

I will go in your place MissNJE? You can wait for Cusack in the limo grin

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 22:10:29

If John Cusack is in the offering then I am good with the world ending on 21/12, as long as I get a turn first. wink

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 22:14:33

Late comers to the thread get the fat still-in-love-with-the-ex-wife russian.....sorry and all that....grin (He does have the ticket for the big ship though - bonus innit?!)

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 22:18:07

That's OK, I was in early on the thread!

My Cusack.

specialsubject Thu 13-Dec-12 22:22:55

well, there aren't many certainties in life but here are two for you:

1) pick up an (unbreakable) object. Hold it a foot above the floor. Release it. It WILL fall.
2) the world will NOT end on the 21st.

the second is just as certain as the first. 100% probability. Reassuring, I hope.

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 22:31:47

I fear that the world may end soon for Morloth if she moves in on MY Cusack just one more time......

Morloth Thu 13-Dec-12 22:37:47

OK, can I have Bill Pulman? I have had a bit of a thing for him since ID4. Actually you can have Cusack and I will take Pulman, Goldblum and Smith - (not at the same time you understand - well maybe).

What other disaster movies are there? Someone else can have Bruce Willis.

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 23:24:00

Is Pulman the one who was the president in independence day? if so, you may have him! (you know, that at the moment he will say, nuke 'em, lets nuke the bastards....)

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 23:24:42

But Jeffy G and Big Willy in those pilot jumpsuits? <passes out>

AboutThyme Thu 13-Dec-12 23:29:04
Morloth Fri 14-Dec-12 00:06:17

I think I would prefer them out of the jumpsuits, only if the workday us ending obviously.

AboutThyme Fri 14-Dec-12 00:15:35

Oh m'dear <patronising look> when you are a potentially-able-to-fly-the-alien-spacecraft-into-the-mothership style pilot, there are no days off. This, and I really mean this kindly, THIS is why Jeff and Big Willy turned you down.....<flounces>

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Fri 14-Dec-12 09:02:17

Jeff G - No
Will S - No

AboutThyme you can have them, as long as I get Neil Oliver grin For a one-off I so would.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 14-Dec-12 16:17:01

whay about the going into total dsrkness on 21st onwards due to solar alignment

Dededum Fri 14-Dec-12 16:22:00

It better not I have been invited to 2 parties!!! Whooooa

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 14-Dec-12 16:27:53

its ok to joke about it but some people are actually being one of them.
i really am scared

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Fri 14-Dec-12 17:08:18

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 14-Dec-12 16:17:01
whay about the going into total dsrkness on 21st onwards due to solar alignment

Everything has some form of alignment. The doomsayers keep suitably vague about what exact alignment they are rabbiting on about. If something happens they can then claim they predicted it, and if nothing happens they can claim this wasn't the alignment they were talking about! Tis all crap.

specialsubject Fri 14-Dec-12 17:17:37

knowledge is the cure for fear. If you are worried, pop to the library and get a book on astronomy. (NOT ASTROLOGY which is fiction). This will teach you how the solar system works in principle.

everything lines up if you look at it from the right angle.

Or if you prefer: g=GMm/r-squared, which defines the gravitational effect of one body on another. As the planets are a Very Long Way apart (r), squaring r means that the answer is very very small. Bet you won't find this on any of the babble sites.

in short - all this babble is total, utter, complete bollocks. Squared.

festivelyfocussed Fri 14-Dec-12 17:23:27

Good point nothingisasbadaitseems.

MrsFlibble Fri 14-Dec-12 17:26:25

My sisters 13th Bday, i should hope not, but then i always knew that little git was trouble.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 14-Dec-12 18:07:37

thanks x

kaylasmum Mon 17-Dec-12 10:55:08

my anxiety is at a peak right now, feel sick and dizzy. People keep talking about the end of the world and there are programmes on tv about it. Trying hard not to totally freak out!

MrsFlibble Mon 17-Dec-12 11:08:59

Kayla, its been stated many times its nonsense, its worrying, but try not to think about it.

kaylasmum Mon 17-Dec-12 11:16:16

but how does anyone know that its nonsense?

everlong Mon 17-Dec-12 11:19:35

kaylasmum if and when we are all sat here on the 22nd will you then calm down? I think not.

You need to treat this problem of total anxiety before it truly takes over your life.

InExitCelsisDeo Mon 17-Dec-12 11:25:41

No matter how much we tell you that it is nonsense, you are not going to believe us.

Have just read upthread about the supposed planet hiding behind the sun. Seriously?

There was a good article in the Telegraph at the weekend which explained the Mayan calendar issues. If I could be bothered to Google it I would.......

MrsFlibble Mon 17-Dec-12 11:26:47

Kayla, NASA, scientists and others have said this mayan thing is false, Mayans never predicted the world would end.

as Ever says, you need to address your anxiety, its not nice to live with.

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Mon 17-Dec-12 11:30:00

I'm so cynical that I feel people are actively trying to m,ake money on this end of the world nonsense.

Here's an extract of a song released in 1983, which I feel sums up my opinion:

"Another Prophet of Disaster
Who says the ship is lost,
Another Prophet of Disaster
Leaving you to count the cost.
Taunting us with Visions,
Afflicting us with fear,
Predicting war for millions,
In the hope that one appears."

The doomsayers are just ghoulish freaks who are delighting in the misery they cause others.

everlong Mon 17-Dec-12 11:31:49

Listen to exit

She has the brains smile

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Mon 17-Dec-12 11:32:13

The Mayans had more than one calendar. This will explain what it's all about.

Pandemoniaa Mon 17-Dec-12 11:37:08

but how does anyone know that its nonsense?

Because throughout history there have been endless bonkers claims about the end of the world. None of them based on scientific fact, all of them aimed at causing panic or control (in the case of religious crackpots) and all of them false. Not many years ago some buffoon assured everyone the world was going to end and it was with some embarrassment that he slunk out of hiding later that week when absolutely nothing Apocalyptic had occurred.

Please listen to the sensible and factual advice you've been given and keep away from any internet nonsense. It might also be very sensible to go back to your GP and ask for help in controlling your current anxiety.

perceptionInaPearTree Mon 17-Dec-12 11:37:17

OP, by next week you will have replaced this anxiety with something else. Please try to get more help - do you have support from your family?

InExitCelsisDeo Mon 17-Dec-12 11:38:19


MrsFlibble Mon 17-Dec-12 11:39:14

Wasnt the world meant to end in October according to some god botherer, after claiming it was meant to end in April, cant remember his name.

MrsFlibble Mon 17-Dec-12 11:41:26

Harold Camping, that was the headcase.

kaylasmum Mon 17-Dec-12 11:43:30

i have'nt discussed it with my family, i don't want to worry them. really don't want to go to my gp, they will probably laugh me out of the surgery.

Cezella Mon 17-Dec-12 11:44:15

I suffer from terrible anxiety just like you kaylasmum and am also terrified, a lot of people on this thread have helped me but we just have to put it out of our heads and try not to worry. I've got a lovely night out planned for Friday so really hoping I'm still here to enjoy it!

Pandemoniaa Mon 17-Dec-12 11:45:09

Why would your GP laugh you out of the surgery? I'm sure they will take your fears very seriously. You mention that you've had cbt earlier in the thread so your anxiety has been taken seriously before and will be again. But you really can't carry on like this.

Fakebook Mon 17-Dec-12 11:45:45

OP, nothing will happen. Even with the solar flares, they just affect radio waves and such. The world won't end because of it.

When we get through the 21st will you feel better? Or do you think your anxiety will stay?

MrsFlibble Mon 17-Dec-12 11:46:41

Kayla I get the feeling this is not the only thing you've felt anxious about, you need anti anxiety tablets to cure the sickness, i took those and some counselling, dont suffer alone, and no one will laugh, you told us and we aint laughing, anxiety is very serious.

Hopengloooooooooooooooria Mon 17-Dec-12 11:46:44

As I said on your other thread...

All of this hoohah comes down to the fact that some ancient people had an amazing calendar that was so good that it's cycle outlasted their civilisation, and they didn't hang around to update it. This is no different to buying a calendar for each year. With your logical head on you know that just because the calendar ends on the 31st December you WILL still wake up on the 1st January.

Jossysgiants Mon 17-Dec-12 11:48:36

fry you have hit the nail on the head. For whatever reason, there are people who love to create fear and misery. The Internet makes it worse. Cast your mind back to 2000 and the supposed millennium bug. I listened to the fearmongering rubbish then, and it spoiled my enjoyment of an exciting time and a New Year's piss up. Cast your mind back to May last year, when that guy was talking about the end of the world. At the time, I was camping in the middle of a field. Not the best location to be for the end of the world, even though tis an excellent tent. I have learnt to actively not listen to this crap and recognise it for what it is- which is hard as i share your anxious tendencies. But all this is just toxic misery creation. Like the dementors in Harry Potter. Do you have some real life support? I also strongly recommend now that you are feeling so anxious that you totally restrict your access to the Internet and Tv, and perhaps ask someone to look after these devices for you while you tackle your anxiety until Saturday which I am certain will come. . I know this sounds extreme but these things are not serving you. And then really look at how to move forward. Do you have plans for today? X

chocolateistheenemy Mon 17-Dec-12 11:54:07

OP I really feel how anxious you are and believe me, I know how horrible it is and how it completely overwhelms you.
Are you able to self-refer back to the Depression & Anxiety Service that you had CBT with? I ask this because I've just finished a course of CBT, which, along with a very high dose of Venlafaxine, has enabled my GAD score to drop from 20 out of 21 to only 3 out of 21.
Remember the golden rule - this is a lapse; not a relapse.
Is it the stress of Christmas which has tipped you back into anxiety land again?
Your GP can give you more info on Venlafaxine which is specifically for GAD. It has worked for me where everything else has failed.

perceptionInaPearTree Mon 17-Dec-12 12:29:32

No one is going to laugh at you, as others have said anxiety is a very real problem. And you can get better and when you do you will see it was worth seeking help to enable you have a happier existence.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Mon 17-Dec-12 12:57:46

kaylasmum im gonna pm you im in the same boat hope thats ok.

FryOneFatChristmasTurkey Mon 17-Dec-12 14:46:28

kaylasmum do please go and see your GP. He/she will realise it's not the "end of the world" that is the problem but will instead focus on the anxiety that lies behind it. I'm sure he/she will see that if it wasn't the Mayan calendar then your anxiety would focus on something else.

In getting help from your GP, it will help you and your DCs. thanks

kaylasmum Mon 17-Dec-12 15:15:37

Thanks for all the replied, i fell asleep! Something i never do during the day.

I probably could ask to be referred back to my counsellor but i really don't think there's any point. I'm on 40 mg of citalopram so there's nothing more they can do there. Maybe some diazepam will help.

My life has been pretty stressing over the last couple of months so this could be a contributing factor.

snowflakehellokitty Mon 17-Dec-12 20:33:29


chocolateistheenemy Tue 18-Dec-12 11:40:52

I don't think citalopram or the other -type medication always works for everyone. I tried 5 different types until I found one that helped and even then, I had the dosage upped four times.
You mustn't give up on the CBT. Also, sleeping in the day is one of the red flags pointing to depression or anxiety.
Hope you're doing ok today?

kaylasmum Wed 19-Dec-12 16:08:18

Still stressing over this, anybody else?

everlong Wed 19-Dec-12 16:11:05

No I'm not even thinking about it because it's nonsense.

Don't let this ruin your run up to Christmas.

kaylasmum Wed 19-Dec-12 16:16:45

How can you be sure its nonsense?

everlong Wed 19-Dec-12 17:15:26

Because these prophecies have been around for time. There will always be them. We are still here.

This is taking over your life. It's not worth it. It's going to be fine.

kaylasmum Wed 19-Dec-12 17:40:19

There are a lot of people really worried about it. This prophecy just seems scarier than some of the past ones.

everlong Wed 19-Dec-12 17:43:01

I know there are and I'm not demeaning your worry.

But there are many many more people not worried.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 17:43:20

why have there never been put on tv or news then?
Ive not heard of any other eotw stories, apart from this.

cozietoesie Wed 19-Dec-12 17:50:41


We all have worries, small or large and we have to deal with them. This happens to be yours this month and you're fixating on it.

It's your anxiety talking - not reality. If you didn't have this to worry about you'd be lying in bed all night worrying whether you'd switched the xmas tree lights off or whether the noises in the garden were burglars.

You need to deal with the underlying problem so that you can handle the world better. Yes - we might all be blown to kingdom come tomorrow or have a small asteroid come down on our house. Is it likely - NO it's not.

amillionyears Wed 19-Dec-12 17:52:38

If you are a betting person, you have to put in £10,000 to win £10,001 back, as I understand betting [never betted in my life].
So I dont think many people are doing that!

FestiveFiggy Wed 19-Dec-12 17:54:35

I'll be properly pissed off if the world ends on Friday as its pfb ds's 1st bday on Saturday and he's got an epic ball pit with his name on it grin

amillionyears Wed 19-Dec-12 17:54:54

Just wondering whether the people who are worried about this, might find it helpful to tackle a massive house job that they have been putting off, to distract them till saturday, 1 minute past midnight.

amillionyears Wed 19-Dec-12 17:55:50

Then the negative will have been turned into something positive.
Or perhaps visit an elderly person.

GrimmaTheNome Wed 19-Dec-12 17:56:13

>why have there never been put on tv or news then?
>Ive not heard of any other eotw stories, apart from this.

There have been eotw stories in the news before. Maybe the difference is this isn't the same old 'Second coming' of christian mythology which comes round with such monotonous regularity. Misinterpreting a different set of myths is less boringly hmm.

LadyBeagleBaublesandBells Wed 19-Dec-12 18:05:18

kaylasmum do you honestly think if it was true, the news networks wouldn't be all over it like a flash?
If 99% of the world is mocking it, science is saying it's a load of crap, and it's all because of a disproved calender from a Mayan prophecy centuries ago, how, for one second are you believing it?
Avoid the internet, because, honestly, on any serious website I'm seeing nothing at all.
Are you going on all the conspiracy theorist ones? Because if you are you've only yourself to blame if it's giving you anxiety.
Leave it alone, and I'll talk to you again on Saturday, we can discuss the horrendous winter fuel bills and paying of bloody Christmas.
Which is my only anxiety at the moment.

everlong Wed 19-Dec-12 18:21:46

<nods at lady's grand advice>

Pandemoniaa Wed 19-Dec-12 18:23:59

Still stressing over this, anybody else?

Your stress is made all the worse by constantly revisiting this thread. Please hide it. Because no matter how much commonsense advice is posted, you can't see beyond your anxiety. So far better not to have this thread around to make it worse.

perceptionInaPearTree Wed 19-Dec-12 18:24:34

The main thing that threatens our existence is us good thing Romney didn't get in

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 18:26:54
InExitCelsisDeo Wed 19-Dec-12 19:15:53

The majority of people worried about this seem to be teenagers

<stares hard at DD>

She failed to see the funny side of a joke on the News Quiz on R4 last week. And discussed this with my hairdresser today and his teen is worried. DD finished school today and apparently they were all hugging each other and saying "If I never see you again" etc.

Please stop worrying OP, you will make yourself ill.

(And if the world does end of Friday you can do a Spike Milligan on us).

LadyBeagleBaublesandBells Wed 19-Dec-12 19:33:09

Someone started another thread about this Op.
Something about how those that believe in the end of the world are being rather silly. (or words to that effect).
I kind of directed them to this thread where people are taking it seriously.
And suddenly there were loads of posts about people with anxiety and how cruel people were not taking them seriously.
Someone has set up a support thread for you all, so surely that's more than enough.
And that could leave us mocking disbelievers to actually have a fun thread about this nonsense, without having to apologise?
Would have to do a search for both and I CBA, but please, please, if I start a thread about the End of the World (lighthearted) don't read it.

LadyBeagleBaublesandBells Wed 19-Dec-12 19:39:12

Oh, the thread was started by Wannabe, and the title was pretty much 'get a grip'. (I've just looked)
If you want to go through it, there is a support thread.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 19:43:11
exoticfruits Wed 19-Dec-12 19:43:13

When it doesn't end we will be given the next date-there have been lots in the past and we are still here!

perceptionInaPearTree Wed 19-Dec-12 20:00:58

'The only worry about these end of world stories is that some loonies will believe it and organise a massive attack somewhere, 7/7 style'

This was one prediction from FrequentFlyer up-thread which did come true it seems sad

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 20:08:51

someone else has started a thread on chat about it, taking the piss.

amillionyears Wed 19-Dec-12 20:13:08

I am starting to lose count about how many threads have it tbh.

SamuelWestsMistress Wed 19-Dec-12 20:20:06

Will be SERIOUSLY fucked off if it means I miss Doctor Who on Christmas Day.

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 20:20:42

Its not funny!

amillionyears Wed 19-Dec-12 20:22:13

Think there are at least a couple in Mental Health as well

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 20:38:08

i cant stand it no more

englishbreakfast Wed 19-Dec-12 20:55:17

Well, we have our office Christmas party on Friday so go out in style?!?! smile

perceptionInaPearTree Wed 19-Dec-12 22:38:44

You know, I've been thinking about this. I suppose (some) people feel the need to keep coming up with eotw scenarios because we as individuals are all so limited - we all know that our lives as humans are not going to go on forever - we have lives that are short relative to the universe. So it's hard to imagine a world that will just go on and on. It's outside our comprehension.

Maybe that's why every now and then certain people feel the need to keep on peddling these ridiculous stories!

GrimmaTheNome Thu 20-Dec-12 08:11:12

I suppose that may be how it works for young earth creationist types -but knowing that life on earth started about 4 billion years ago, most of us are ok with knowing that this world won't go on for ever ... its got about another 4 billion years to go.

everlong Thu 20-Dec-12 08:19:12

What perplexes me pear is the people who have obvious anxiety disorders and how they don't seem to be addressing them.

The world will carry on by Saturday but their issues will remain and no doubt have something else to worry about.

Detrimental to their well being in many senses.

thebody Thu 20-Dec-12 08:24:09

Well I am still getting my highlights done today.

amillionyears Thu 20-Dec-12 11:20:54

everlong, as far as I know, the people with anxiety orders do try to address them. They seek professional help. But, as far as I know, it doesnt always stop all the anxiety.

YoucanringmySleighBells Thu 20-Dec-12 11:24:58

I think this shows how people hat can have anxiety can project their feelings of anxiety onto 'something' so they can quantify and understand it. Even though what they are anxious about is completely non-existent.

My mother convinced herself that a niggly pain in her back was lung cancer. Utterly convinced no matter what gp told her. I have similar tendencies but am at a stage where i can 'talk sense' to myself.

I feel very much for the OP - and others feeling this way. A little seed of doubt begins in your head and then it takes over.

Good luck and hope you feel better soon OP.

kaylasmum Thu 20-Dec-12 11:37:16

everlong - i have suffered from general/health anxiety for a number of years now and have seeked proffesional help. i have had cbt twice now. my therapist has told me that my anxiety is always going to be a part of me but knowing how to manage it is the answer.

feeling really bad today, have had a migraine since last night and my heart keeps beating really fast for a few seconds. i'm also thinking about keeping my dc's off school tomorrow morning just in case!

cheekybaubles Thu 20-Dec-12 13:53:06

I was treated for anxiety, didn't make a jot of difference but I would be careful not to project it onto my DD.
Do you know that you are worrying irrationally, or do you really think it will happen?

everlong Thu 20-Dec-12 13:58:53

But kaylasmum this particular worry is just another symptom of your anxiety. Can you see this? Everyone has been telling you now for over a week. It isn't going to happen.

Listen to us, please.

After Saturday you are not going to be angst free even though the end of the world didn't happen. You will have another thing to fill you with dread. Can you not see how ill this is making you?

kaylasmum Thu 20-Dec-12 15:36:48

Cheeky - i hope i'm being irrational. Just can't get rid of this fear

Ever - i know many people have told me it will be ok but how can anyone be sure.

FlojoHoHoHo Thu 20-Dec-12 15:39:54

Do we have a time for this ending anyway? Isn't it already the 21st in Australia?

LadyBeagleBaublesandBells Thu 20-Dec-12 15:42:08

Keeping your kids of school is just projecting your irrational fears onto them.
Please don't.

YoucanringmySleighBells Thu 20-Dec-12 15:52:22

kaylasmum - Your brain is tricking you - it needs to attatch it's anxiety onto something to fool you into believening it is 'rational'.

I have exactly the same tendencies. My particular thing is if I don't do any number of particular things something terrible will happen to my daughter. Or if I forget about checking for fire my house will burn down.

I know it is irrational - but feels so very rational. I can still control my fear. One day I have no doubt I will need help. You have reached that point because the fear is now controlling you thanks

theplodder Thu 20-Dec-12 15:56:01

21st here in Australia now and I'm not dead yet so encouraging signs so far....

cheekybaubles Fri 21-Dec-12 08:36:10

Kayla, how are you this morning? Woke up worrying about you.

LookingForwardToMarch Fri 21-Dec-12 08:40:10

kaylasmum Hope your feeling a lot less anxious by now.

The world is still here and I'm gazing a clear sky with no trace of endishness approaching smile

Fakebook Fri 21-Dec-12 08:40:23

Hope you feel better today. Looks like a normal day out there!

JakeBullet Fri 21-Dec-12 08:42:04

Big hello to here to say Hi as i promised smile. Hope you are feeling better at a new day.

helpyourself Fri 21-Dec-12 08:50:12

((( Kaylas )))
It is for once a sunny day here- I hope you're feeling calmer. Did you keep the children off? DD2, normally a teenage gadabout wants to spend the day with me, so that's a lovely silver lining for me at least!

InExitCelsisDeo Fri 21-Dec-12 09:03:54

Hang on folks - it is meant to be sometime just after 11.

<looks out of the window>

But it is already tomorrow somewhere in the world .......


Hope your are OK Kayla.

kaylasmum Fri 21-Dec-12 09:45:44

Awe thank you all for thinking about me. Got to admit i'm still quite worried as everyone is saying that its gonna happen some time around 11am, so anxiety is pretty much picking atm.

I did keep the kids at home, i just could'nt send them. If all goes well i'm going back to my gp to see if they can referr me back to cbt.

kaylasmum Fri 21-Dec-12 09:46:49

Peaking not picking!!

helpyourself Fri 21-Dec-12 09:51:02

Well I'll be icing my Christmas cake at 11am- the icing is rock hard, so I'm letting it warm up wasting time here, and waiting for DD's christmas present which should arrive before midday.
Anxiety is a nightmare, I suffered from it quite paralysingly but CBT helped a lot. smile

everlong Fri 21-Dec-12 09:59:14

Good idea kayla to go back to GP. Anxiety is debilitating and plays havoc with all areas of your health.

Have a brew and a biscuit smile

kaylasmum Fri 21-Dec-12 10:20:23

Yeah it does, i was very ill last year with anxiety. I could'nt eat and lost 3 stone in 3 months, had stomach problems, numbness in my left side and a tremor in my left hand, all thought on by severe anxiety. Not been so bad this time thankfully so my cbt was'nt completely in vain.

helpyourself Fri 21-Dec-12 11:02:32

11 has passed- have a brew and enjoy the day.

SledsImOn Fri 21-Dec-12 11:03:27

Oh are we still here? Bugger it, I'll have to give birth grin

Flisspaps Fri 21-Dec-12 11:21:24

kaylasmum are you taking your children to school now? The last day before Christmas is usually LOADS of fun, the apocalypse hasn't happened and they can still join their friends for the rest of the day.


Just coming to this thread.

You could look at this in the light of some of the skills you probably learnt through CBT.

You had a strong feeling of anxiety, you talked to people about it to test if others felt the same which they didn't, so you then bravely managed to wait things out even though you felt anxious to see if what you feared would happen, what you feared didn't happen. So now you can look at what you have learnt e.g.

- The strength of your fear does not equal the likelihood of something happening i.e. just because you feel very worried does make it more probable the bad thing is going to happen.

- If most people are really really not worried about something then may be your fear is not based on a correct assessment of the risk.

- You can manage your fear and still function.

- You are stronger and braver than you think.

- The strength of your fear does not equal the likelihood of something happening i.e. just because you feel very worried doesn't make it more probable the bad thing is going to happen.

perceptionInaPearTree Fri 21-Dec-12 11:56:51

kaylasmum - I hope you are feeling a bit better. Try to look forward to Christmas now.

MuffinPaws Fri 21-Dec-12 11:58:18

((((HUG)))) xx

<gets thrown off Mumsnet for hugging>

InExitCelsisDeo Fri 21-Dec-12 12:00:07

<checks watch>

everlong Fri 21-Dec-12 12:10:47

kaylasmum WHERE ARE YOU?

kaylasmum Fri 21-Dec-12 13:19:02

Hi, feeling so much better now but won't totally relax until just past midnight!

My dsis came down with presents today so that stopped me keeping a check on the time. I do think that i've handled this better than thought i would but Would have preferred not to have been worrying all this time.

It was only half day at school today so Can't take them in now. Thanks to everyone for the help and reassurance you've given me, it really helped.

everlong Fri 21-Dec-12 15:30:10

smile good. I'm glad you're feeling a bit better.

Take care of yourself x

RockingAroundTheBloodyXmasTree Fri 21-Dec-12 15:36:33

We are still here!

amillionyears Fri 21-Dec-12 15:40:51

Yeah, Rocking, and yeah kaylasmum and others!

ApplesinmyPocket Fri 21-Dec-12 16:37:09

ChazsBrilliantAttitude what brilliant advice you gave in your post of 11.27.40. I don't really suffer from anxiety any more, though it was a constant unhappy feature of my 20s and 30s. If it ever comes back I shall remember what you said there (have copied it off.) Thanks. Hope it helps others too.

StickEmUp Fri 21-Dec-12 16:47:17

If the Mayans are partying right now i think were all allowed smile.
I sooo want to go and join them

tjah04 Fri 21-Dec-12 16:52:58

How awful for you.

I suffered from anxiety throughout my 20's. I developed irrational fears too. Eventually you will be able to get through this. Learning to control the anxiety works best first and then work on your fears.

Events like this help as they encourage you to realise how irrational you are being. So it is a good thing even though it does not feel like that currently.

I did study the Mayans in depth for a history paper and I can categorically state that the world will not end.

What no newspaper will tell you is that in fact an area has been discovered believed to be the writing place of the scribes and dates are inscribed on the walls, many years from now.

The Mayans predicted astronomical events and not once did they predict the end of the world.

StickEmUp Fri 21-Dec-12 23:50:44

10 mins to go! Hope OP is okay x

amillionyears Sat 22-Dec-12 00:14:41

It is past midnight now in the UK.

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