Horrific stories on Mail Online

(84 Posts)
hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 21:23:28

i started reading Mail Online for showbiz and gossip when it first started, but now have noticed more and more often, stories they publish are now of child abuse and animal abuse. I have complained to the editors, but they do not respond. Today on MO there was a horrific story of a pedophile bringing a 15 month old baby he had abused, into hospital as she was dying. I was horrified at this, and why Mail Online would publish this, thinking we want to read stuff like this?.. I have written to 'Feedback' on MO to complain about the distressing articles they keep publishing, but they won't respond... What can I do? I suppose one option is to stop reading MO.

JesusInTheCabbageVan Tue 04-Dec-12 21:26:25

Got it in one hmm

Arthurfowlersallotment Tue 04-Dec-12 21:26:54

Well... You answered your own question at the end, OP.

Every time you read MO, you're contributing to their exceptionally high web traffic, which fuels the advertising revenue that keeps it going.

'Fraid the Mail revels in hysterical misery.

Yep, stop reading. It's the only way.

AfterEightMintyy Tue 04-Dec-12 21:37:46

I think there should be something else that can be done, actually.

If you want to read a lot of schleb schizzle and crackers inflammatory Tory-sponsored bollocks then that's up to you.

But to put up images of people being "necklaced", cats and dogs being skinned alive, kittens being fed live to pythons, full-on descriptions of the inuries people have suffered in violent crime in the headline etc ... that's not really the remit of the Daily Mail, is it?

They often do take down vile stories like this if enough people complain, but it would be so nice if there were some sort of code of conduct that meant they didn't appear in the first place.

BumpingFuglies Tue 04-Dec-12 21:39:04

You got it. Stop reading. Not difficult.

HardHittingLeafletCampaign Tue 04-Dec-12 21:39:41

I find it really upsetting too and try not to go near it now.

AfterEightMintyy Tue 04-Dec-12 21:40:40

I think there's an element of sweeping it under the carpet in that, isn't there. Oh well, I don't read it so I don't have to worry about what the most-read newspaper in the UK is showing on its website. I think it should concern people, whether they look at the site or not.

Fairylea Tue 04-Dec-12 21:41:10

I just accidentally saw the same link.

It's absolutely disgusting they can print the actual images. It's a complete lack of dignity to the little girl to post them and unnecessary in the reporting of the story. It's really upset me and I don't even read the daily fail!

I think it's sad that our news seems to be becoming more and more graphic. I wonder if we will become more desenstised. I don't know. I hate it though.

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Tue 04-Dec-12 21:42:26

I find the Kitten Block incredibly useful in helping me avoid that site.

I used to read it because I liked ranting about the biased crap they print. But then I got sick of being shown horribly graphic photos on the front page with "warning graphic picture" written underneath.... what's the point in warning me after I've seen it?

hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 21:43:01

Jesusthecabbagevan - not a very helpful response?

I know those things happen, and having a 17 month old daughter, it's distressing to read about, and I want to stop those things happening, and can't believe we live in a world where vile monsters do things like that.

germyrabbit Tue 04-Dec-12 21:44:58

they do tend to fan the flames with these sort of stories (adding images/videos etc)

second world horror stories about nazis are top of their lists too, not that i don't think it should be reported, just not in such sensationalist ways

Gigondas Tue 04-Dec-12 21:46:13

I think it does it in rotation - horrendous abuse stories, health scare (ESP cancer which they often repeat), infertility/childbirth fear ones , crime Etc

Yes It s vile but there must be something in the editorial thinking as it gets tons of hits. Maybe it's the online equivalent of rubbernecking.

GhostShip Tue 04-Dec-12 21:49:01

What did you expect them to do? Message back and say they'll only publish nice stories just for you confused

hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 21:49:26

Thanks stickemwiththepointyend for the info on Kitten Block. I hadn't heard of this before.
I wish I could make a difference, help stop this horrific abuse going on.

BumpingFuglies Tue 04-Dec-12 21:50:55

Op, it's horrible, but please bear in mind that the Mail will sensationalise the movement of a slug. Really, stop reading. Try BBC?

hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 21:52:40

Ghosts ip - yes, make them realise that no one wants to see stories like that

AfterEightMintyy Tue 04-Dec-12 21:54:29

GhostShip - do you always have to post a smart-arse reply? You are as tedious as my back chatting 9 year old.

moanymandy Tue 04-Dec-12 21:59:06

This story was also on the bbc news site today. They also had a clip of the CCTV from the hospital that I couldn't bring myself to watch. The still picture was enough sad

Iamsparklyknickers Tue 04-Dec-12 21:59:21

I'll admit to flicking through the site, it's an easy layout for browsing, they have some good trashy shoebox stuff and I love reading the comments....but I've had to stop.

I can cope with a disturbing headline, but graphic pictures of tortured animals or people been murdered is too much for me. If I choose to read those kinds of articles I'll have prepared myself, but to come across them while casually browsing is really upsetting.

You get banned on most websites for posting 'shock' pics of gore, the dm is living up to it's name of the biggest troll in the media.

hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 21:59:34

I think I'll try writing to the Daily Mail newspaper, as they don't seem to publish the same sort of stuff, see what happens.
I'll have to use Kitten Block
The images will be imprinted on my brain...
Shit, I hate this world sometimes, those poor babies.

Iamsparklyknickers Tue 04-Dec-12 22:00:35

Showbiz not shoebox - I don't care about shoeboxes idictator!

There seems to be no limit to what the daily mail are willing to print no matter how atrocious but on the other hand, when it comes stories of abuse it's the cold hard truth and something we should never just pretend isn't happening.

Interesting thread, because I too began reading Mail Online for showbiz gossip and to get a different perspective I suppose. I took me a while to realise this was where all the Bad Stuff was. But Minge makes a good point - they aren't making it all up are they - I mean most of this stuff is actually happening, if not in this country then another, and sometimes yes, in this country.

I've often hear people say that there isn't more crime etc around "nowadays", its just that we hear more about it now that everyone has access to shedloads of media. Actually I think even with all the media available to us, papers like the Mail only serve to show us the tip of a hellish iceberg.

Or maybe I've been reading too much MOL ....sad

hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 22:12:07

Mingebiscuits yes I know it happens, and im not pretending it doesnt, but it shouldn't be on the same page as showbiz gossip, ie which the Mail Online was originally, for people to come across when looking at gossip.

TheBolter Tue 04-Dec-12 22:14:39

The DM wallows in sex and death, and I think we do as a society need to be concerned about what impressionable people are reading, and the normalisation of such stories is worrying. Videos of lynch mobs 'necklacing' university students, and articles claiming that female porn actresses get a better quality of life than most (two stories that the mail has run recently) should not be on a website that is accessible by anyone.

The ridiculous thing is that the DM seems to think it's some pillar of the community watchdog over benefit scroungers, paedophiles, and worst of all, single mothers, when actually it promotes some of the lowest forms of reportage out there.

And don't get me started on their typos, dreadful grammar, and Americanisms...

GhostShip Tue 04-Dec-12 22:15:34

AfterEightMintyy
Forgive me for not giving a shit. Oh, and for saying what I want to on a public forum... or am I missing the point here?

And I think you and others know damn well I don't just post 'smart arse' replies.

And OP , I think you'll probably find that some people do which is what makes it a popular newspaper. We need to know what is going on in the world, there's no point kiddy blocking everything just because you find it distressing. Writing to them will do nothing I'm afraid.

No-one is forcing you to read, so don't.

hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 22:27:16

Ghostship - 'I think you'll find that some people do, which is what makes it a popular newspaper' not sure what you mean by that.

It's the first website I go to, so I'll just have to wean myself off it, or use Kitten Block. Glad that posters have been feeling the same about the website as I have done.

narmada Tue 04-Dec-12 22:29:08

It's not known as the Daily Fail for no reason wink

MikeOxard Tue 04-Dec-12 22:36:24

Erm, so after reading that horrendous story and thinking 'I wish I hadn't known that', you decided to come on here and tell all of us? Thanks for that.

hudjes Tue 04-Dec-12 22:53:02

Oh dear mike oxard So sorry about that!!!

ToffeeCaramel Tue 04-Dec-12 22:59:28

I used to buy Take a Break magazine, finding it quite entertaining, but then I went to buy it one day over the summer and on the front page, stories about child abuse and rape were advertised and I thought "What sort of person wants to read about that? Not me." and I've never bought it since.

ToffeeCaramel Tue 04-Dec-12 23:00:20

I don't read the Daily Mail though.

I like the Kitten Block idea too - but does it work on Mac?

WorraLorraTurkey Tue 04-Dec-12 23:07:49

Mingebiscuits yes I know it happens, and im not pretending it doesnt, but it shouldn't be on the same page as showbiz gossip, ie which the Mail Online was originally, for people to come across when looking at gossip

If you actively seek out 'gossip' in these rags...which usually amounts to a load of sensationalist lies about people's personal lives, why are you offended when they sensationalise other stories too?

Every time you read that paper (and it's entirely your choice to do so) you add to the profit it makes...therefore helping it to continue to print what you're saying you don't like.

So yes, stop reading it if you don't like it.

Shenanagins Tue 04-Dec-12 23:09:42

Glad it isn't just me. i know these things happen but it is the graphic photos also accompanying the article and often on the front page is just too much.

i have complained about this as these images should not be so accessible or without warnings but did not get a response.

Maybe i need to find another sleb gossip site any suggestions?

livingfortoday Tue 04-Dec-12 23:11:49

thats awful

SquirtedFrankinScentsInStable Tue 04-Dec-12 23:29:29

RIP little one. I live in Northern Ireland so this arrest, and trial, has been on the news for some time.
Just because you are in a different part of the uk does not mean that this man does not need the publicity he has received.
He has been found guilty.
He said it it was the child's mother.

livingfortoday Tue 04-Dec-12 23:33:44

it scares me so much, that title life. I was asking to a social workers today actually, she said many times they would like to remove children earlier but it they can only do so with a judicial decision. she said it can be frustrating.

livingfortoday Tue 04-Dec-12 23:34:19

that little life

I don't want to go on mail online so instead I went on the BBC site and messaged as follows:

Re: Millie Martin

It is really in the public interest to have the hospital CCTV footage available to view? I have not viewed it and think including it in the report is sensationalist and insensitive.

I expect no response.

I was pro BBC in the discussion the other week though.

Petisa Wed 05-Dec-12 01:08:51

I hate the Daily Mail and I agree it was very unnecessary of them (and other papers/websites) to publish the CCTV images of Barry McCarney "trying to resuscitate" Millie Martin.

However, are you saying that cases of sexual abuse and murder of toddlers should not be reported in the media OP, because it distresses you?! This horrific and unspeakably sad case happened near me. If it had happened near you would you think differently?

joanbyers Wed 05-Dec-12 01:14:22

The BBC website has four videos, including one just of the CCTV of the dying child being brought into the hospital, and three articles on this story:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/northern_ireland/

It's linked from their front page too.

Petisa Wed 05-Dec-12 01:26:19

Should the BBC not have done this in your opinion joanbyers?

I see the BBC has not included the cctv shot of the murderer supposedly trying to resuscitate Millie, which the DM has. It is the most upsetting image by far imo and was plastered all over tabloid-type sites like the DMs and described distastefully in headlines.

Brycie Wed 05-Dec-12 01:29:11

You don't want to see it?

It's real life. If you want to ignore it, ignore it. The Mail can put it wherever it wants to and it's jolly good that it does cover these stories. If you want to pretend real life is about Kim Kardashian's butt go ahead.

Northernexile Wed 05-Dec-12 06:14:41

I live in NI, this awful, sad story has been in the news here for some months, and the CCTV footage was shown on the tea time news here last night. It is very distressing, and tbh I don't think it was particularly necessary to show it, but the story NEEDS reporting, and for once the DM hasn't done anything wrong IMO.

Northernexile Wed 05-Dec-12 06:17:46

And I think there's something odd about wanting to read 'showbiz and gossip' and stick your head in the sand when it comes to what actually goes on in the real world. That poor little girl shouldn't be forgotten or what happen swept under the carpet in favour of Chezza Coles new hairdo.

MoleyMick Wed 05-Dec-12 07:36:38

There are sites purely dedicated to showbiz gossip, just go on one of those instead.

Yes it should be reported. Factually and without sensationalism. That CCTV is horrific and should not be on the BBC website or anywhere else. The police should not have released it. The facts would be enough. What does it add to the horror of it? On the BBC report it says the mother "Sobbed uncontrollably" as the verdict was announced. Not necessary. We don't need to know that. All we need to know is that he is locked up.
I never read the Mail, online or otherwise. That story makes me understand why. The people I know who read it always seem so full of hate. I am now so full of hate towards that man that if he was in front of me right now I could kill him with my bare hands. I don't need to feel that way every day.

MarchelineWhatNot Wed 05-Dec-12 08:30:03

I feel the same. Twice this week I have been upset to the point of near suicide by things I have seen and read on the DM. They go too far.

I am glad you started this thread OP, because I feel so sad today, but I see now I am not the only one.

I think the Daily Mail website is the most visited news site in the world.
I bet they think, "we have a winning formula - lets keep doing more of the same, and dial it all up too"

OhlimpPricks Wed 05-Dec-12 08:45:41

Marcheline, if a newspaper article can drive you to suicide, please consider getting some help. Obviously something has you so tense that a news story can push you over the edge. Please talk to someone. Look after yourself.

FanjoTimeMammariesAndWine Wed 05-Dec-12 08:47:56

"Twice this week I have been upset to the point of near suicide by things I have seen and read on the DM"

Seriously, don't read it any more!!

MarchelineWhatNot Wed 05-Dec-12 08:59:45

No, I won't, Fanjo. But the point is that the way they cover stories is so upsetting. I am not a particularly sensitive or emotional person, so for me to be so upset by something... seriously, they need to report things responsibly, not just go for the most sensationalist angle.

WorraLorraTurkey Wed 05-Dec-12 09:04:43

Marcheline are you serious?

If so please do seek help as soon as possible.

Nancy66 Wed 05-Dec-12 09:17:19

The video was used by most online news outlets. If you're that sensitive then best you don't read any newspapers or look at any websites.

OP - I agree with you.

I stumbled across that article while idly browsing last night. I burst into tears and cried for 15 minutes, then went and got in bed beside DD sad

It's the Daily Fail and we all know it's a disgusting sensationalist ad but this seems like a new low to me. That poor wee darling.

Might be because I'm from that part of the world too. Broke my heart sad

shesariver Wed 05-Dec-12 09:31:54

marcheline its a news site, you obviously have serious issues that you need help with if you have thought about ending your life because of it.

bellarose2011 Wed 05-Dec-12 09:52:17

Oh god ive just read that story, poor poor little baby.
I just wish we could do anything to make sure that no baby ever suffers like this, i would give my life if it meant no baby went through any pain again.
I just don't know if reading it helps anyone?
Also were the fuck was her mum? She had obviously been left alone with this monster, yet her mum had only been with him a few months.
The mum should be in prison a as well, this is neglect. How did her mum not know she had such severe injuries? Evil bitch.
Got to say op, i wish you hadn't posted this.

shalo2 Wed 05-Dec-12 09:55:45

Those pictures haunted me last night. This morning the story is top of the page...last night it was smaller and lower down. My DH goes mad that I read mail online .. So depressing. I also like the showbiz but I can't bear this current story and the pictures of a helpless Lo.

MinesaBottle Wed 05-Dec-12 15:33:01

Bellarose2011 the mum was tried but cleared of neglect. It's possible she was also abused by this 'man' as it sounds like he deliberately targeted her in order to get to her daughter. So, so sad for the little girl.

Re the Mail, I think stories like this do need to be reported but it can be done in a sensitive and serious manner and splashing them across the MO front page complete with clips from the (very disturbing) cctv is not the way to do it imo.

TwinklingWonderland Wed 05-Dec-12 15:51:09

Someone please tell me the murdering paedophile has since been locked up and key thrown away?I can't bear to google the article...

MinesaBottle Wed 05-Dec-12 16:11:42

The judge has given him life but they won't decide exactly how long that will be until the new year confused. Hopefully they will never let him out.

HairyGrotter Wed 05-Dec-12 16:38:41

I study Criminal Behaviour as part of my degree, the stories I have to read and the treatment/interviews/details etc are pretty harrowing, but to the point of suicide?!

I find I can 'switch off' from some of it, however, certain times of the month I find it harder to distance myself. I have a 4 year old DD and reading some stories that involve children her age is particularly difficult during these times of the month.

The stories are sensational, however, THEY HAPPEN. These things happen, it's horrible, harrowing and heartbreaking.

CheeseandPickledOnion Wed 05-Dec-12 16:46:12

What should we do then? Sweep things like that under the carpet and pretend it doesn't happen?

These stories do need to be heard imo. Yes the DM adds it's own lovely slant to them, but they need to be out there so people are aware.

If you don't like it, don't read it. But you can't stop papers publishing these stories, and absolutely you shouldn't be able to.

Go to a different site.

Ghostship makes some perfectly sensible comments here.

AfterEightMintyy Wed 05-Dec-12 16:47:23

Everyone knows they happen HairyGrotter and no-one is saying that they should not be reported. But it is the lurid graphic headlines, with accompanying video clips, that I think people are protesting about on this thread.

ModernToss Wed 05-Dec-12 16:50:12

Yes, it's less about this particular story and more about all those ones which say "Warning: graphic content". They are usually about torture of people or animals.

I never click on them, and I wonder about people who do.

HairyGrotter Wed 05-Dec-12 16:50:12

Hence my comment about them being reported in a sensationalist way, I, like many others, completely agree that these stories should be reported in a factual manner and not to be salacious, however, that's unlikely to happen. Facts don't seem to sell papers, or stop people reading these stories.

Specific info on the daily fail's site traffic and formula : link

JesusInTheCabbageVan Wed 05-Dec-12 20:35:45

Hudjes OK.

You need to stop reading the DM, because by clicking on these same stories you are contributing to the site's traffic, and thus reinforcing the message that people like reading vile, sensationalised stories about torture and abuse. The DM doesn't care whether or not you like the stories, as long as you keep reading them. By coming back, you just boost the circulation stats along with all the rubberneckers who try to make themselves feel a bit less grubby by posting 'isn't it terrible' comments under the photos.

It would be different if you were finding out about these things through the NSPCC, or Amnesty, or Oxfam, or some other organisation that actually cares about making a difference. The DM doesn't. They seek out these stories because it pays - very well - and they don't care about the indignity caused to the victims, or the grief suffered by families who've been doorstepped.

You say you want to make a difference. For the reasons I've given, stopping reading the DM will make a very small difference. If you want to make a bigger difference, read a paper that reports news in a more balanced, respectful way and work out what issues cause you most concern. There will almost certainly be a charity for whatever you choose, and even if you can only afford to give £1 a month it will be something. I support Wateraid, Stepping Stones and Amnesty. Since reading the below story (warning, upsetting), I will also be supporting Medical Aid for Palestinians. Hope that helps. smile

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20466027

fromparistoberlin Wed 05-Dec-12 20:47:33

stories like this are very upsetting, but I dont think their reporting was salacious. they told of a terrible incident, thats all. its the news

this american website is pretty fucking upsetting, and i think DM get stories from here badbreeders.net/

I used to get incedibly upset by these stories, now sadly I have accepted its part of life. unfortunately

Its not that i dont care, I do. I have sadly realised this shit is actually quite common

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 20:56:22

I detest the DM. For many reasons. I am going to stop looking at links because I then start reading it and wind myself up.

marcheline I hope you do the same too. Are you ok?

fromparistoberlin Wed 05-Dec-12 20:58:53

as stories go though, its pretty bloody awful

rest in peace millie

Morloth Wed 05-Dec-12 21:09:30

There is reporting on horrific stories and then there is sensationalising them into entertainment.

The monster need to be dragged into the light. They don't need disco balls and flashes.

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 21:10:48

The DM were wicked to show that picture of that little girl dying in that bastards arms. angry

fromparistoberlin Wed 05-Dec-12 21:21:15

did they sensationalise it though

really?

they just reported it, yes in usual style

its like we demonise them, its a nasty story and there is no way to soften the blow

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 21:23:31

The photo's of him giving her mouth to mouth was horrific. I would say that was sensationalising it yes.

AfterEightMintyy Wed 05-Dec-12 21:25:57

Of course they sensationalised it! Who needs to see images of a dying child?

fromparistoberlin Wed 05-Dec-12 21:29:29

lets agree to disagree, I am no DM fan

but i suspect those images have been widely reported

and frankly nothing softens the blow, nothing

terrible

If you like C'leb gossip, try something like Cosmo instead.

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 21:32:46

I haven't those images anywhere else.

The most ridiculous headline I saw today was ' William wears cords to visit Kate ' fuck me sideways.

TwoFacedCows Wed 05-Dec-12 21:43:04

GhostShip talks sense as usual!

GhostShip Wed 05-Dec-12 21:44:16

twofacedcows and here was me thinking I only post 'smart arse replies' hmm wink

TwoFacedCows Wed 05-Dec-12 22:02:35

well obviously i like your 'smart arse' approach!! grin it makes a lot of sense!

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