To already being annoyed at the jibes at Kate Middleton's hypermesis

(78 Posts)
guccigirl666 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:14:31

The poor woman is said to be suffering hypermesis, a rare and horrific form of morning sickness. It is NOT within the 'normal realms' of morning sickness, it means you cannot even hold down water. I suffered from this in my pregnancy and was on a drip in hospital for days, I lost 2 stone in weight and hearing everyone talking about her 'moaning' and comparing it to 'normal' morning sickness is really frustrating! Hypermesis is pure hell and shouldn't be overlooked!

ImperialSantaKnickers Mon 03-Dec-12 21:16:58

I'm already very sad. I wouldn't wish the hounds of the press on anyone.

squeakytoy Mon 03-Dec-12 21:18:01

I have to say, I always thought it was rare until I started on mumsnet... but I rarely see anyone on here who just had morning sickness..

freddiefrog Mon 03-Dec-12 21:19:34

I had hyperemesis with my second.

First time the 'just morning sickness' was bad enough, second time was hell and I spent a few days in hospital.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I would have loved a 3rd child, but there was no way I was going to risk that again

McChristmasPants2012 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:19:47

i was nearly put in hospital, some days i couldn't even get out of bed i lost alot of weight.

i feel very sorry for her

PropertyNightmare Mon 03-Dec-12 21:20:46

Let's hope she does not lose two stone given how thin she usually is. I would think that would make her BMI dangerously low.

guccigirl666 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:21:52

I agree squeaky, the amount of times I told people about my condition to be told they had suffered from it. There are clinical criteria (certain amount of weight loss that is typical with HG, hospitalisation) they use to confirm HG, however many women self diagnose because they felt very nauseous. That is still a different ball game to HG.

guccigirl666 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:23:38

I feel very sorry for Kate, and yes she cannot afford to lose 2 stone. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I read somewhere about women who have actually terminated planned pregnancies due to HG. I remember I couldn't turn over in bed without being sick, really hope she gets the care she needs.

PropertyNightmare Mon 03-Dec-12 21:23:57

Yes, it might limit the size of her family as doubt anyone would be too keen to go through several pregnancies involving severe illness.

This thread is the first I've heard that she's pregnant! Why are the press discussing her hyperemesis?

McPhee Mon 03-Dec-12 21:24:17

I spent 5 days in hospital

Barely able to stand when I arrived, and utterly terrified I would lose my baby

That, I wouldn't wish on anyone, let alone take the piss

Poor Kate, it really is utterly depressing

guccigirl666 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:26:33

AKissIsNotAContract as I understand it, she is in hospital with hypermesis so was forced to announce the pregnancy early.

MsElleTow Mon 03-Dec-12 21:33:33

My Fb is full of snide comments about her being in hospital with morning sickness, and how precious she is being!hmm. It's pissing me off, I can tell you

. I wasn't sick at all with my pregnancies, but DS1 has a condition called cyclical vomiting syndrome. He can be sick 40 times a day for a week, it is horrid. He has to be put on a drip too. How you cope with something like that for weeks on end is beyond me!

Hulababy Mon 03-Dec-12 21:36:45

I agree. I had really bad sickness in pregnancy although not dx with HG. But it was horrid enough as it was. Being sick several times a day, feeling sick the rest of the time, not being able to keep food/drink down, that horrid exhaustion and the accompanying dizziness - urgh! I ended up with a wee or two signed off work due to how awful I felt - and I had things nowhere near as bad as those with HG do.

I thing HG is probably not as rare as it is reported. I think it is probably under diagnosed and there are many women out there suffering.

guccigirl666 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:42:00

My fb is the same, that's what brought me here for the rant lol. People always doubt HG is real, including my doctor until I literally collapsed in the waiting room from the exhaustion of HG. Not to mention now if I am ever sick I have panic attacks because it reminds me of my pregnancy (I haven't had a baby since, couldn't even consider it!).

MsElleTow your poor ds, that sounds truly horrendous. I would take any amount of pain over being sick it is an awful feeling.

Mandy2003 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:46:49

I wondered why she was wearing such a "fat" dress in her last set of pictures - she must have lost weight in the last few weeks.

I wish her well, she must be feeling dire, and so worried.

McChristmasPants2012 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:56:40

it's one of the reasons why i would never have another child, DC1 was bad and i don't know if have a 2 year old and being pregnant was a reason why DC2 was even worse, but i couldn't risk it.

i have read about women who can not cope with HG any longer and end up aborting the baby

www.nhs.uk/news/2011/04April/Pages/treatment-for-morning-sickness-discussed.aspx

Pourquoimoi Mon 03-Dec-12 22:02:27

I agree it's most definitely not the same as morning sickness. I had hyperemisis and was in hospital on a drip for a few days when pregnant with DS2. A very unpleasant experience.

hermioneweasley Mon 03-Dec-12 22:05:09

I know first hand how serious HG is, but I have to admit my thought was, well she doesn't bloody do anything at the moment, so it's not like it will interfere with her life. Uncharitable I know. And of course, it might stop her getting her hair done 3 times a week.

DillyTante Mon 03-Dec-12 22:06:22

What pissed me off even more is the royal correspondent on R4 said "yes, and she was seen wearing high heeled boots on Friday". Er what the fuck? Why on earth is that relevant to anything? Because she is pg and shouldn't be wearing heels? No one reports:

"Yes and David Cameron was seen wearing a natty pair of brown brogues on Thursday"

Meglet Mon 03-Dec-12 22:07:39

Yanbu.

I'm sitting on my hands on FB. HG is shitter than shit, and I got away lightly with medication and home bed rest.

BluelightsAndSirens Mon 03-Dec-12 22:12:58

I hope the press attention brings light too such a debilitating condition.

Tonight is the first I have heard of HG and that Kate is due a baby.

I hate it that people think because she is with money she is given better treatment, I had morning sickness and that bought me to my knees a few times and I'm also the same size as Kate, if she looses to much weight their is a risk to her baby.

I wish we could just support her like we do mainly on the boards here.

Bogeyface Mon 03-Dec-12 22:15:08

I had horrific MS in my 4th pg, I collapsed several times and was signed off work for 3 months, but it wasnt dx as HG. I cant imagine how bad that must be as I considered termination at one point, so HG must be beyond awful.

Can I ask one stupid Q though? I have been pg 14 times and had 6 go to term. I only got MS that badly once, when I had DC2, so based on my experience that every pg is different, can a woman who suffered HG in one pg not have it in another?

Presumably only women who had one non HG pregnancy followed by an HG would know, as I am sure that no one would want to have another HG pregnancy.

PinkFairyDust Mon 03-Dec-12 22:15:11

But how many woman are there on Mumsnet?
It's the most popular site for mums, therefore there will be alot more mums who have suffered on here, then just a group of your friends

Leave her alone, she is properly really worried and having to out a brave face on it for everyone else

roundtable Mon 03-Dec-12 22:18:46

Yanbu - hypermesis is what killed Charlotte Bronte . It's not a bit of sickness, it's potentially life threatening for woman and baby.

guccigirl666 Mon 03-Dec-12 22:21:57

Bogeyface I believe a woman can suffer hypermesis in one pregnancy but not another, that is what my gp told me.

peanutMD Mon 03-Dec-12 22:24:05

I posted a status earlier...

Mainly because I am 26 Weeks and still waiting patiently for the shitty sickness and nauseous feeling to go away and its not fair that no one is feeling sorry for me!

But hey I am happy to admit I am being hugely unreasonable and selfish but I'm having a self-pitying day today grin

Walkacrossthesand Mon 03-Dec-12 22:25:20

Who knows - maybe she'll join the boards, we would never know! grin

FabulousFreaks Mon 03-Dec-12 22:27:42

I think the absolute worst bit of hyperemesis was feeling so ill that I couldn't even raise my hands to put shampoo in my hair and having medical experts and others dismiss the illness as just a bit of morning sickness. I had terrible depression as a result. To be that ill and told to buck up is torture

Corygal Mon 03-Dec-12 22:33:08

It's awful, my mum had it when she was having me. In the 60s the cure was being shouted at by your doctor, which meant her sole nutrition for a month was tonic water until it wore off (a tradition her DD has loyally kept up, with a couple of extras).

Not wishing to be provocative or owt, but surely KM is in hosp so early because she was already so very thin? I imagine your existing BMI has a lot to do with how fast you are treated.

I had HG and was in hospital for four separate stays whilst being on a drip. I can honestly say its hell and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, I couldn't even move most days without throwing up and it only subsided at around 8 months. I only have 1 DD and it's the fear of HG that plays a very large part in keeping it that way.

PeskyRat Mon 03-Dec-12 22:40:05

Horrendous illness. I had it with both pregancies.

Spent a week in hospital on drip with first, then was admitted twice within 2 months when pregnant with my DTD's.

Was so bad with the DTD's I couldn't even swallow my own spit without my body retching and heaving it back up again envy <<yuletide vom

BadPoet Mon 03-Dec-12 22:44:15

YANBU, the poor woman. I had HG with my first, and it was utterly horrific but it did pass at about 16 weeks so I was lucky really. I had normal morning sickness with my second - constant queasiness but only one puke per day, able to eat a bit - different league.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 03-Dec-12 22:48:16

Bogey I had it in my first pregnancy but not my second, thank goodness. It is a factor in us not having any further children.

Bogeyface Tue 04-Dec-12 03:01:01

So HG is not guaranteed to happen in subsequent PG's if you have had it before?

That's actually quite sad from the POV of the DoC, because we all know that the wives of the heir are expected to produce the "Heir and Spare". Her doctors will tell her that next time, it might not happen. So no matter how much she suffers during this PG she will be under incredible pressure, both from the public and the instution, to have another baby, whether she wants to or not. Ok, so she will have as much help as money can buy to take care of the eldest child, but it won't take away her suffering will it? sad

reddwarf Tue 04-Dec-12 03:24:28

She is in the early stages of her 1st pg and having a terrible time of it, poor thing. But I don't think, at this stage in the 1st trimester we need to be worrying about all the pressure she'll be under to produce the next baby!

Each day has enough worries of it's own and all that.

MeDented Tue 04-Dec-12 11:54:17

I think the press and newsreaders are deliberately calling it morning sickness to provoke the general public and judging by the snidey remarks on facebook they are succeeding. Even if you don't believe in the Royal Family and all that they stand for it is hardly Kate's fault and really don't think she has ever done anything to warrant such nastiness towards her.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 04-Dec-12 12:07:29

MeDented - I don't think it is that. The press in general shy away from anything which sounds remotely scientific and are always looking to dumb things down so that they are 'accessible' and other guff. This is just another example.

SantasStrapOn Tue 04-Dec-12 12:11:24

Agree it's dumbing down, but it's unhelpful and is fuelling all the idiotic 'it's only morning sickness' remarks.

HG is about as close to morning sickness as breaking a leg is to twisting your ankle.

YANBU. But I honestly think you have to have suffered from HG to really understand the horror of it. I had HG with both my pregnancies, the second was kidney threatening. There won't be another one for that reason, and I'll always be sad about that. I was told by a consultant that they see a handful of cases a year in hospital. It's an exclusive club I wouldn't want anyone to have to join tbh.

sanityseeker75 Tue 04-Dec-12 12:18:26

I suffered with hypermesis with DS and then went on to have SPD - put me off having any more - feel terrible for her - just what you want you feel so shit - everyone slagging you off for it!

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 12:19:40

Isn't it more likely that since she was ok and out and about two days ago she might just have the winter vomiting thing? The onset and diagnosis seems incredibly quick.

PerryCombover Tue 04-Dec-12 12:20:11

Poor girl hyperemesis is awful

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 12:21:25

And the doctors have reassured the couple that there's no danger to mother or child - the accounts here make it clear that there are.

SantasStrapOn Tue 04-Dec-12 12:33:40

No, onset for me was incredibly rapid. One day I was absolutely fine, fit as the proverbial fiddle. The next morning I was woken up by horrific vomiting and nausea, and within a few hours I was on a drip, in hospital. It was that bad.

It never went away, even with copious drugs, the only thing that kept me alive was being hospitalised for most of my pregnancies. There's no danger to mother or child provided the mother is correctly treated, and there are no other underlying health issues involved. I ended up with CKD from it, as I already had damaged kidneys from untreated childhood UTIs.

HG really can be that rapidly onset (terrible grammar, apologies).

Fecklessdizzy Tue 04-Dec-12 12:39:26

It's horrible. I had it with my second pregnancy and ended up in hospital and miscarried. I don't know if I'd have lost the baby anyway but the two that went to term were just your normal pukyness, whereas this was awful - throwing up blood because your throat's so raw and having to carry a plastic bucket everywhere you go - so tired you can't stand up.

I'm no royalist but she really has my sympathy!

I do feel sorry for her but I am bored to tears with her pregnancy already.

BoiledEggandToastSoldiers Tue 04-Dec-12 12:44:03

I had it all the way through my first pregnancy, could vomit up to 30 times a day, lost almost 2 stones, and was still in normal size 10 trousers 6 weeks before DD1 was born, and I'm 5'8".

Had it until month 7/8 with second pregnancy, it definitely helped make up our minds on having baby No.3. sad

She has my sympathy too.

Jelly15 Tue 04-Dec-12 13:23:01

I had your common morning sickness and that is bad enough but Kate's condition is hell, my friend has it and we were really upset and worried to see her suffering so very badly and you can see the concern on William's face.

1944girl Tue 04-Dec-12 13:36:06

I think the reason she is in hospital is because she is too thin.If you are being sick all the time and are underweight you are bound to lose some more pregnant or not.
In pregnancy the babies life could be in danger if an underwieght mother is constantly being sick.Her essential levels could drop so low she would not be able to sustain the pregnancy.Every baby is precious, royal or not.
I had terrible sickness during my first pregnancy but none at all with the second and last one.

1944girl Tue 04-Dec-12 13:37:00

Sorry about my spelling having a senior moment.

freddiefrog Tue 04-Dec-12 13:44:24

It was really sudden for me too.

On the Friday I picked DD1 up from preschool, spent the weekend doing weekendy things, on the Monday I collapsed and was in hospital on a drip.

I've always been quite thin so a small amount of weight loss over a fairly small period of time had a big effect

TeWisBeenNargledByTheMistletoe Tue 04-Dec-12 13:45:28

I don't know anyone in RL who had hypermesis.

I was sick every day, several times a day for months with DD and didn't have it. One if my friends had such bad morning sickness she would vomit in her sleep and rarely left the house - she didn't have it either. (we both did manage to keep some food and fluid down and gained weight)

Given how extremely severe it is I can easily believe women would terminate rather than risk their own health.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

picketywick Tue 04-Dec-12 13:50:08

I have never experienced it.

Feminine Tue 04-Dec-12 13:52:59

Can it come on at her stage of pregnancy?

She must be very newly pregnant surely?

The pictures of her in the last few days show her looking fine.

I had it, very badly. I was unable to leave my bed for 4 months, I suspect now though that it was just very severe morning sickness as no doctor suggested I go to hospital.

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 13:56:58

Five or six weeks Feminine.

Feminine Tue 04-Dec-12 14:01:21

Yes, I'm thinking she can only be that far along too.

TunipTheVegedude Tue 04-Dec-12 14:03:31

Someone earlier on the thread asked about the chances of getting it again if you've had it once. It's about a two thirds chance for the second pregnancy if you've had it in the first.

I had about a week of nausea and then the vomiting hit me like a train. I guess I could have played hockey a few days before it hit (though I wouldn't have done, personally....)

I had hypermesis with dd, I went down to 7 stone in weight and was on the early pregnancy unit for a while.

Mine started at 6 weeks and then 5 weeks.

elliejjtiny Tue 04-Dec-12 14:12:14

I've heard she is 8 weeks pregnant, also 12 weeks, not sure which of them is right.

Poor Kate. I had fairly awful morning sickness with DS1, throwing up 20+ times a day, lost 15% of my body weight but didn't have meds or hospital so can't imagine how bad she must feel.

I'm pregnant at the moment and got almost constant nausea and vomiting green stuff first thing every morning and if I don't eat often enough but I can cope with that, no problem.

I hope Kate's pregnancy raises awareness of the difference between hyperemesis and morning sickness but judging by the comments on facebook etc I'm not holding out much hope.

Feminine Tue 04-Dec-12 14:15:07

I am suspecting though , that as she is a Royal, greater care will be taken of her and the baby. Its more likely she would be hospitalized.

We are all (myself included) just guessing about a lot of it.

Nobody knows how bad she is or isn't.

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 14:19:11

She told Carole and Mike this w/e. The Queen only found out yesterday. The doctors say very early indeed. So probably five or six weeks but they don't want to say it. Why should they? That would trigger the comments about where did they conceive (yuk) and about how hysterical she is because she's only been ill for a couple of days.

nickelbabylyinginamanger Tue 04-Dec-12 14:21:47

I think it would actually be very useful for the media to use Kate as a reason to raise awareness of HG.

AmIGoingMad Tue 04-Dec-12 14:22:51

I'm with you! Feel really annoyed at people belittling it and complaining about her. I've been at rock bottom last few weeks and that's been with standard(?) morning sickness- I've been in tears most days. I can't even begin to imagine how awful it is for those with HG. I liked the comparison with it being as close together as twisted ankle and broken leg though- puts mine into perspective slightly!
Pregnancy, and early pregnancy are such tough times and it must be difficult to live through it in full glare of worlds press. Yes- it's true that there are many many perks of being part of royal family but I really feel for them both as this must be so hard to have to share with the world!

Feminine Tue 04-Dec-12 14:24:13

I agree with you yellow I don't think they should have to share at all.

However being as who she is etc...

I think she must be very early, as it would be rare for such severe symptoms to start after a few months.

fifitrixibell Tue 04-Dec-12 14:30:43

According to the BBC news last night she is 8 weeks. I started being sick at 6 - 7 weeks with all mine. I didn't have HG but a friend did, and ended up in hospital. The issue isn't so much what size you are as the problem of dehydration. If you are vomitting out fluid, and unable to keep anything down you will get dehydrated very quickly, which alters the body's chemistry and that is when it gets dangerous.

litquot Tue 04-Dec-12 14:33:13

I don't see why anyone should whinge about 'just' morning sickness anyway. I was sick from week 6 until DC was born. If I took medication (which the dr was iffy about) I was only sick once a day, if I didn't I was sick 6-7 times a day, but either way I felt sick all day. I could only drink soda water as I couldn't stand the taste of anything else, including tap water. I couldn't stand in the kitchen because the smell of food (not being cooked, just generally, esp if the fridge was opened) made me sick. I cannot imagine how dreadful it must be to have HM because 'just' morning sickness was really, really horrible.

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 14:34:06

Quite Feminine. So it may be that she's just taken aback by how vile 'ordinary' morning sickness is (I certainly was) and they're taking no chances. In theory it should elicit more sympathy to say she has full blown hg. The pr machine will say whatever is judged to be best. It'll be obvious in a few weeks time because everyone with experience says hg puts you out of action in a big way for months.

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 14:37:25

litquot there's clearly a spectrum of morning sickness though which at some point merges into hg. I felt like you did but mercifully only for the first three months. That level of sickness must be at the upper end of the 'ordinary' scale.

Feminine Tue 04-Dec-12 14:38:05

Exactly yellow smile

TunipTheVegedude Tue 04-Dec-12 14:43:02

But they said she's being rehydrated on a drip. They don't do that unless you're dehydrated and that's something that can be measured objectively, surely?

I must admit to a hmm when they said her engagements for the next 'few days' had been cancelled. Few months would be more sensible for HG. I hope she's not going to be pushed back to doing engagements before she's ready. Utterly grim (though as someone on another thread said, they won't want her throwing up in public).

VodkaJelly Tue 04-Dec-12 14:44:35

I am not a big fan of the royals but I feel sorry for Kate. I had morning sickness in all my pregnancys but it wasnt that severe, I managed to struggle through it.

Having hypermesis sounds horrific and she must be worried about her baby.

Feminine Tue 04-Dec-12 14:47:29

I should have probably been in hospital, but I hate them and took to my bed.

My DH prepared me ice-cold complan in a blender envy

I had to drink it really slowly. It took me about 4hrs to finish a small glass.

I used to throw up water and spit... terrible time.

I think she should rest however bad she is.

mumsneedwine Tue 04-Dec-12 14:50:02

With the first I was sick 50 times a day and only stopped in the delivery room. It's so debilitating and life becomes a real effort - dehydration happens very fast and only way to rehydrate is either by drip or a suppository (had both as at one point was so dehydrated they couldn't find a vein). 2nd pregnancy wasn't sick once ! Poor girl must be so worried about her baby and Royal or not think she deserves compassion. I had people (men mainly) telling me to just get on with it - memorably once by my Manager, and I promptly projectile vomited all over his office. grin

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 15:06:17

I don't think it's an esp big deal to have a line put in as a precautionary measure. They've done it for DC of mine who have caught a sick bug while ill, or who've just had a bad bug. It's a very simple procedure. Probably costs a thousand or so at the King Edward V11, but I doubt anyone's counting.

Yellowtip Tue 04-Dec-12 15:12:25

Of course I'm not saying she hasn't got hg, just that this might be an over-reaction by Kate/ Carole/ the medics or just be the best line to spin for pr purposesi f she is only five or six weeks and on only the first day or two of throwing up.

If she is really ill with hg then the chances are we won't see her for the next nine months which is perhaps another slight bonus for the public (and possibly her). Might piss off the assembled masses of maternity wear watchers though.

I'm still really interested in the succession thing if it's twins and there has to be a c-section. Anyone know if the doctors can choose which to whisk out first?

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