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To ask my children's pre-school not to let them play outside

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AitchDee Sat 01-Dec-12 12:44:34

My twins attend a local preschool for three mornings a week. Since they started I have had issues with them arriving home at lunch time with soaking wet sleeves and trousers where they have done outside water play, and hands that are red raw from being cold and wet.

On Thursday upon dropping them off, we were told not to take coats/hats/gloves off as they were going o play in the school field next door. I raised my eyebrows at the time as it really was a very cold, frosty morning.

A hour later I got a phone call to say my twins needed collecting as one was very poorly and falling asleep/eyes rolling in his head, and the other 'had come out in sympathy' and was crying hysterically.

I collected them and brought them home, but I think they we're just utterly freezing. They were absolutely fine the rest of the day. All the other children were playing happily back in the warm so it was only mine.

I'm not sure if I am just being precious. They do love playing outside, even in freezing cold water and wet sand, no matter the weather, but I think their bodies use find it a bit much. They were born very early, and only weighed 1lb 3oz at birth but to look at them now they have caught up.

Would I look a twat asking preschool to keep them indoors until spring? Maybe my twins just need a bit of toughening up? They will be three in January if that makes a difference.

RedHelenB Sat 01-Dec-12 12:47:51

YABU - kids need fresh air even in winter!

diddl Germany Sat 01-Dec-12 12:48:28

Yes I think you would tbh.

Don´t they have waterproofs at all??

We had to supply trousers/jacket & wellies which stayed at kindergarten when ours were there.

HeadfirstForAMistletoeKiss Sat 01-Dec-12 12:49:01

The only issue I would have is with the outdoor water play while it's so cold. Other than that I would make sure they have their hat/scarf/gloves/jumpers and a warm coat to hand and let them get on with it!

procrastinor Sat 01-Dec-12 12:50:37

Yabu sorry! If you get them proper over trouser waterproofs and willies they'll be fine. You can also get those hand warmers that you snap and heat up.

givemeaclue Sat 01-Dec-12 12:51:03

Perhaps invest in thermal gloves and ski year type stuff? Keeping them indoors till spring is not really an option.

procrastinor Sat 01-Dec-12 12:51:33

Wellies. They need wellies.

DudeIAmSoFuckingRock Sat 01-Dec-12 12:51:56

send waterproofs and spare clothes. tell nursery staff to change them as necessary.

children love being outside and it's pretty important tbh.

you're being precious.

YuleBritannia Sat 01-Dec-12 12:52:30

Get a grip! Let the pre-school do things the way they want to and your PDCs will have a lovely time.

HeadfirstForAMistletoeKiss Sat 01-Dec-12 12:52:31

www.teachingexpertise.com/e-bulletins/early-years-outdoor-play-autumn-and-winter-7472

I was looking for the EYFS guideline on outdoor winter play and found this, it may be interesting for you to read?

BarbaraBar Sat 01-Dec-12 12:53:07

Waterproofs, wellies, warm coats. You need to make sure they are dressed appropriately. Children should play outside in all weathers - they just need appropriate clothes.

DudeIAmSoFuckingRock Sat 01-Dec-12 12:53:09

grin@ procrastinator

Bluestocking Sat 01-Dec-12 12:53:18

Tricky one! Fresh air is good, and clearly the other children are enjoying it. Could you dress them differently? Would the preschool be willing to put them into all-over waterproofs for outdoor play? Channelling my dear departed gran, I'd also advise that you check that they're wearing enough layers and that there isn't a chilly gap round their waists - a vest and a pair of tights under trousers or dungarees is really helpful in keeping active children warm.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Sat 01-Dec-12 12:53:47

Its not the outdoor play that is the problem- they need plenty of fresh air each day imo. But I wouldnt be happy about the water play. Not when its so cold out and most children would chuck water over themselves and get cold. Theres loads of other stuff they could do outside without soaking themselves.

mellowcat Sat 01-Dec-12 12:55:24

The trouble is that if your two are kept inside both they and the others may miss out as often staffing can be everyone in or everyone out. I think it would be reasonable to ask that they are able to come in as soon as they want to and for them to be dressed warmly in the clothes that you provide.

LIZS Sat 01-Dec-12 12:56:51

Get them snow suits and winter boots. Outdoor play doesn't stop for winter in colder countries than ours!

nahla321 Sat 01-Dec-12 12:58:19

Yanbu about them being wet through as to then have to sit in wet clothes is awful for anybody. As for the cold I would just send them with another jacket under the coat and make sure they are wrapped up well, tights or leggings under trousers as well?

As long as you are providing them with a proper level of clothing then I think you should raise the issue of them getting cold easily and ask if they could be carefully supervised outside and taken in if they are getting too cold. I don't think that they should be getting soaking with outside water play at this time of year. At any time of year DD is changed at nursery if she gets soaked, not left to come home like that. Her (very good IMO) nursery takes the children out all through the year but will do it for short bursts if it is really cold so that the children get out but don't freeze. I would be furious if I had to leave work to get DD because they had let her get too cold. But I would also be disappointed if they said it was too cold to go out on a dry day.

HeadfirstForAMistletoeKiss Sat 01-Dec-12 12:59:35

I don't think you would be unreasonable to ask they didn't do outside water play when it is cold. Cold dry weather, and being wrapped up and playing outside is great, but not if you're soaked to the skin. I know if I peg out my washing on a frosty but sunny day my hand are freezing when I get back inside.

5madthings Sat 01-Dec-12 12:59:58

Just send them with waterproofs and spare clothes. They love playing out even with water when its cold.

We oftrn freeze water in various tubs for ours to play with outside when its cold.

I saw a link.the othet day, put water with food colouring in a balloon, either freeze it in your freezer or outside overnight if its cold enough. Wjen frozen snip tje balloon and peel it off and you get what looks like a giant marble!! Very pretty and fun for the kids.

lilvixen Sat 01-Dec-12 13:01:04

I agree about the water part. My DC's are real outdoorsy kids but kids aren't always sensible so the no-brainer adult thing to do in minus temperatures is to at least keep them dry IMO! Don't think that's being precious.

ihearsounds Sat 01-Dec-12 13:01:51

So they never go to the park in the winter?
The only thing that seems wrong is the water play and they don't have a change of clothing.

RainbowSpiral Sat 01-Dec-12 13:03:18

Are the clothes you have actually warm enough? We are in Scotland and is is essential to have various layers on as just a coat / gloves / hat are not really enough. Also the kind of wooly gloves they sell for kids are often inadequate and ski gloves are better. Wellies are good but you need thick socks inside them to avoid cold feet.

So I'd get all the gear and explain to the nursery the twins get cold easily and make sure they are wearing it all. I'd also mention about the prematurity as that may be a factor as to why they get cold.

greenbananas Sat 01-Dec-12 13:45:58

It is a requirement of the EYFS that children are offered the opportunity to play outdoors, even in cold weather. However, this does not mean they should all be forced to play outdoors - children who really don't want to go outside can be allowed to stay indoors instead. If you dress your children warmly (gloves, hats, waterproofs, dungarees), they may choose to play outdoors quite happily.

You have a good point about the water play. That is just plain silly (and cruel) in cold weather.

inkonapin Sat 01-Dec-12 13:49:38

Yabu not to provide appropriate clothing for your children! Are they supposed to stay inside until April? [Confused]

natation Sat 01-Dec-12 15:05:51

This is what many of the children were in our nursery. 1 piece is easier for staff to take on and off. The Swedish and Norwegian children are always dressed in the best outdoor clothes, follow their example. Think about what clothes your children wear inside too, ones easiest to get on and off still!
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001NYNDQU/ref=asc_df_B001NYNDQU10827282/?tag=googlecouk06-21&creative=22134&creativeASIN=B001NYNDQU&linkCode=asn

Iggly Sat 01-Dec-12 15:07:48

It's never bad weather but bad preparation (or summat).

Get them decent waterproof clothes and make sure the nursery help them get dressed. They do at ours.

YABU.

Narked Sat 01-Dec-12 15:15:39

I'd be annoyed with the nursery. At not yet 3 you're sending them in with clean changes of clothes, so why are they leaving them in wet stuff?

Good layering will sort out the cold. with waterproofs on top, and the nursery reminded to make sure they're wearing it.

Jingleflobba Sat 01-Dec-12 15:18:58

Outside water play is just stupid in this weather, not sure what the teachers were thinking with that one. Otherwise outdoor play with suitable clothes is perfectly safe and healthy in most weather.
Maybe ask about the water play but leave the outdoor play unless you want the teacher to be rolling her eyes at your back as you leave the classroom.

AThingInYourLife Sat 01-Dec-12 15:24:12

My children are wrapped up and outside in all weathers, but outdoor water play is ridiculous is this weather.

5madthings Sat 01-Dec-12 15:27:45

My ds4 is in reception and their classroom includes an outside area they have water play etc, i.just send him with appropriate clothing and a change of clothes.

Water play is fine even in the cold but the children should have waterproifs and be dried and changed if they get wet.

natation Sat 01-Dec-12 15:27:57

OP didn't say specifically the water play was in the cold weather, well it might be, she wrote they'd had wet sleeves and trousers and complained about this since they started, the wet play might have been during warm weather or might not have been, the OP didn't say.

TunipTheVegedude Sat 01-Dec-12 15:31:56

I'm not impressed with the preschool leaving them in wet clothes. That's not acceptable.
If I sent my kids to preschool without appropriate clothes for the activity, they would lend the kids clothes or ring me up and have a (justified) grumble at me, or not let the kids join in the activity (and tell me off when I picked them up). There's no way they'd let the kids go ahead and do it anyway then leave them in wet clothes. Madness.

TiggyD Sat 01-Dec-12 15:34:25

I'm a nursery nurse and I'm a massive fan of being outside.

But...

some nurseries try to be outside without understanding what it takes to be outside a lot. There is a saying in childcare that everything you can do inside you can do outside. The saying is wrong and really annoys me. Water or anything that involves getting wet is a terrible idea any time other than the summer. Wet = cold.
Reading books involves sitting down, not moving much and removing gloves to turn pages, all things that will make you cold. Clothes must be suitable.
The way some nurseries behave will put children off going outside. It's perfectly possible to be outside in freezing conditions and be comfortable.

I think you should have a word with the nursery about letting children get wet outside. It's dangerous.
And make sure they have the right clothes: 2 pairs of socks, wellies, tights, trousers, t-shirt, jumper, fleece, waterproof topcoat, scarf/snood, hat that covers ears, and waterproof gloves-not wool!

mercibucket Sat 01-Dec-12 15:42:18

I feel the cold more than other people and always have done. Ds1 takes after me. he doesn't like being out as long in the cold as the other kids, because it starts to hurt. From long experience I know that appropriate clothes help, but for someone who feels the cold, they are not enough. I would get blue fingers regardless of what I was wearing.
So, yes, speak to the nursery, just say they need an eye and not to let them stay out on cold days for too long

mercibucket Sat 01-Dec-12 15:42:18

I feel the cold more than other people and always have done. Ds1 takes after me. he doesn't like being out as long in the cold as the other kids, because it starts to hurt. From long experience I know that appropriate clothes help, but for someone who feels the cold, they are not enough. I would get blue fingers regardless of what I was wearing.
So, yes, speak to the nursery, just say they need an eye and not to let them stay out on cold days for too long

bradywasmyfavouriteking Sat 01-Dec-12 15:46:13

Yanbu about the wet play. Its not appropriate at this time of year.

Yabu about playing out. They can not provide staff just to watch your children inside while all others play out and I am sure your children would like that either.

AitchDee Sat 01-Dec-12 15:46:20

Thanks for your opinions everyone.

Last week they went in wearing:
Long sleeved vest
Dungarees
Socks
Jumper
Preschool zip-up fleece
Waterproof jacket
Hat/gloves/scarf
Wellies

The water play was last week...in the mornings the water table was frozen solid!

anyway, I have taken what you have said on board and will send them in wearing their waterproof, padded all-in-one whatsits (they have these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BNWT-Red-Spotty-Snowsuit-ski-suit-Muddy-Puddles-6-12-months-/261127462253?pt=UK_Baby_Girls&hash=item3ccc68dd6d&nma=true&si=MXGecPht4UdYLdB5NSyUIvn1CcA%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557). I hadn't sent them in these because I thought it might be a bit of a pain for the staff getting them on and off.

I will also invest in waterproof gloves and snow boots, and embrace the fresh air!

AitchDee Sat 01-Dec-12 15:46:38

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BNWT-Red-Spotty-Snowsuit-ski-suit-Muddy-Puddles-6-12-months-/261127462253?pt=UK_Baby_Girls&hash=item3ccc68dd6d&nma=true&si=MXGecPht4UdYLdB5NSyUIvn1CcA%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

These, sorry

insancerre Sat 01-Dec-12 15:46:44

I work in a nursery and take my children out every day. (2s-3s)
BUT
They have to wear suitabe clothes. The nursery asks for wellies but we have a stack of spares- we also have waterproofs for the children so they can sgo out in the rain. We only stay outside for short periods and we use our common sense for things like water play and sitting down on the ground.
It takes longer to get ready to go outside sometimes than we actually spend playing.
The children enjoy being outside and none of them complain about the weather. In fact they complain when we tell them it's time to go in grin
When we go in we often have hot chocolate or warm milk if it's very cold or drinks of water if it is hot.
So to answer your question
YABU
Children need to go outside and the nursery has a legal obligation to take them outside- it's in the EYFS

AitchDee Sat 01-Dec-12 15:46:48
insancerre Sat 01-Dec-12 15:47:32

sorry op. cross post grin glad you've seen the light

MrsDeVere Sat 01-Dec-12 15:50:50

I don't think YABU.
My DC5 is a dripping, muddy mess by the time I pick him up every day and it doesn't bother me a bit.

But he may be asthmatic so if he had a slight cold or cough (not enough to keep him off nursery) I wouldn't want him playing with water outside until he was ok.

He is the least likely child in the world to be called 'delicate' and I am really laid back about dirt and kids getting a bit cold.

But you have to be sensible. If your DCs became poorly/upset/uncomfortable due to getting cold and wet I don't see how you how you are being unreasonable.

In my DC's nursery the kids come and go pretty much as they please so I doubt any special outdoorsy stuff would get much use. Unless they could put it on themselves and/or were going to be outside all day.

insancerre Sat 01-Dec-12 15:52:06

This is a good website for the type of waterproofs nurseries and pre-schools use

DaveMccave Sat 01-Dec-12 16:02:52

YABU. I work in a childrens centre for children with SEN and we go out side regardless of the weather, in the middle of winter/torrential rain you name it we go out. All the children love going out regardless of weather. I can think of one or 2 complaints from children over the years after hundreds of kids. We go by the phrase 'no such thing as bad weather, just wrong clothes'. Believe me, I sometimes wish we didn't have this policy, but it's not fair to keep the children in.

The children will be absolutely fine if you provide them with weather appropriate clothes. Warm padded coat for when it's very cold, rain coat, mittens/sun hat/ and a SPARE change of clothes. Most parents bring spare clothes so we can change them if they get soaked with water play or whatever.

If we have to keep a child in for whatever reason then the whole group usually suffers so it's probably not doable anyway. If you remove one staff member for kids whose parents don't want them out then you are short staffed.

They need to be out in the winter more than ever, to reduce the risk of illness. I'd made up when my DC do outside play other places, means I don't have to do as much! Kit them out in weather appropriate stuff and they'll be fine. What you can do is tell them that they tend to feel the cold a lot, and ask them to make sure if they play in the water that their sleeves are rolled up and they are wearing aprons and that you expect them to be changed into dry things when wet, and they must be wearing their gloves when not at the sand/water area. Some parents do insist this for a few of our kids and we definitely stick to it.

5madthings Sat 01-Dec-12 16:06:39

Those suits look great my dd has something similar from jojomamam bebe.

Wet play is fine. Leaving them in wet clothes is not fine, they should be changing them if they are wet and uncomfortable.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Sat 01-Dec-12 16:29:45

Children at nurseries have to be allowed outside, it's part of the EYFS. They should also be allowed to be inside too if they want to be.

natation Sat 01-Dec-12 16:31:06

Dungarees are a real pain on under 5s, they cannot go to the toilet without help.
Hats which cover ears and neck are great and better than a hat and scarf, eg a balaclava! They are more common in continental Europe, find some really funky ones in the Christmas markets.
Mits are a much better than gloves too, especially the ski mitt types which are longer and you pull over coat sleeves.

AitchDee Sat 01-Dec-12 16:36:41

My children aren't potty trained so dungarees are fine at the moment.

HalloweenNameChange Sat 01-Dec-12 16:41:38

Kids should play out all year long, but it sounds like the nursery aren't taking precautions which is a problem for me. WHy get toddlers wet when it's freezing out? No reason for it, I'd question that. i also think it would be impossible for them to leave your kids inside and have someone watch just your two when the rest are outside. Maybe have a word with them about dressing the kids appropriately and not getting them wet and then if nothing changes move them>

Rudolphstolemycarrots Sat 01-Dec-12 19:38:29

Mine used to feel the cold more so i took steps. I think you need to wrap your children up more. Look on line for feather filled body warmer on line and layer fleece on fleece underneath the coats. Buy proper skiing gloves and hats. The play group should also provide completely properly waterproof all in one suits - not those rubbish lightweight ones. I think kids should play outside all year. Even a bit of rain is good fun.

LittleMissFlustered Sat 01-Dec-12 20:05:03

The foundation stage at my school (stages 1&2 so 3 and 4 year olds) have a big stash of padded all in one snowsuit jobs that the kids wear in the winter. It's awesome seeing the little Michelin kids waddling about having fun in the rainsmile

Sokmonsta Sat 01-Dec-12 20:09:13

Yabu. Send them with two complete sets of spare clothes - socks, vest. Even a spare set of cheap plimsolls. Ds is notorious for jumping in every bloody puddle he can find. The preschool playground has a dip and a massive puddle. I'm in the process of finding waterproof trousers for him but as long as they put his wellies on him and change him as soon as they get it he has great fun.

Maybe ask if they can warm milk for them after playtime instead of cold.

NettleTea Sat 01-Dec-12 20:14:59

YABU
I am a forest school leader, and we run course year round - in fact our local school will be sending reception year to start a 6-12 week course starting in January.
In Scandanavia they say 'there is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes'
The trouble with alot of the waterproof stuff that people buy (especially the fashion stuff) is that it looks nice, but just isnt practical - there are well known 'waterproof' coats with towelling linings - thats just ridiculous as the cotton inner will suck all the water straight in.
you need good quality water proofs and thermal layers, plus gloves and hats, for the winter. Waterproof stuff should have taped seams. Look for something scandanavian made, they know their stuff.

NettleTea Sat 01-Dec-12 20:16:24

My son was at an Outdoor nursey and he loved it. They spent probably 80% of the time outside, but they knew how to do it properly and he never came home cold and wet, and he used to SIT in puddles if he could.

Sirzy Sat 01-Dec-12 20:19:33

I am sure it has already been said but "there is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes". Do you not take them out at all over winter? DS is 3 and has bad asthma but was fine walking around the christmas market yesterday in his snow suit and hat!

Children need fresh air all year round. It does them more harm to be cooped up inside than it does for them to be running around in the cold.

DingDongKethryverilyonHigh Sat 01-Dec-12 20:30:28

yanbu to be unhappy at them being handed over with wet coats and sleeves, i've had a word with my dd's nursery for letting her get her coat drenched and then expecting me to walk her home like that in this cold!

They put a spare coat on her this week when it happened!

dikkertjedap Sat 01-Dec-12 20:33:03

It is a requirement of the EYFS that they spend a certain amount of time outside. It is a British thing, on the Continent kids tend to stay in when it is cold/raining. It is just the way it is so little point trying to change it I would think.

However, when it is very cold it seems not very clever to have them playing with water and getting soaked in the process. So I would tell the nursery staff that you are not happy for them to play with water in this cold weather. Also, as others have pointed out make sure you dress them warm (layering), including waterproofs and warm hat and gloves. Little feet get very cold in wellies so I would look for some fully lined waterproof boots/shoes rather than wellies. It is also a good idea to make sure that there is always a set of spare clothes at school.

dikkertjedap Sat 01-Dec-12 20:34:37

It may be worth looking for some clothes in shops like Cotswold Outdoors etc.

FairyChristmas Sat 01-Dec-12 20:35:58

YABU

DD has an all in one rainsuit and wellies that are kept permanently at school (she's in reception) - they go stark staring mad if they can't get outside.

JackThePumpkinKing Sat 01-Dec-12 20:36:54

Water play outside in these temps is fucking stupid tbh.

Going outside with proper warm waterproof clothing is fine (and isnt it an ofsted thing that children should be allowed free access to outside space?).

Meglet England Sat 01-Dec-12 20:38:02

yabu - ish.

But do you send them with spare clothes and do the staff change the children when they are wet? DD keeps her rucksack at nursery all week and I chuck in a couple of spare changes of clothes. The staff change the children when they are wet / muddy / very painty.

BoffinMum Sat 01-Dec-12 20:42:39

Preschoolers who spend most of the day outside (albeit wearing serious outdoor kit) are known for getting practically no colds, by the way.

natation Sat 01-Dec-12 20:45:08

Greenbananas is right, it is a requirement of EYFS to provide outdoor opportunities, it is NOT a requirement that they are forced outside (no I know the OP is not saying that, but others are saying children that age MUST spend time outside and it's not true).

Where we live in continental weather, in Belgium, young children are outside every single day, once in the morning, once in the afternoon, for 1 hour at lunch (unless doing sieste, that's under 4s), in almost all weathers. Every school has a sheltered part of the playground and the the children play under it if wet or particularly cold. I could count on my fingers how many times in 4 years the under 5s have been kept in because of bad weather and the temperature can stay under 0 centigrade for a month or more during the Winter months. Any child inappropriately dressed risks a dressing down from the class teacher or at least a note in the bag telling them they must send their children to school dressed properly. I find the UK schools quite wimpish in comparison, but hopefully that will change now more schools realize the benefits of outdoor play and education.

FeelingGreen Sat 01-Dec-12 22:01:31

agree with everyone who's said that with the right kit you can be outside twice a day whatever the weather. Even in torrential rain we go puddle jumping or just exploring. Today it was bitingly cold but we sorted the garden (well ds mainly 'unsorted' it as quickly as I soted it) and then went for a walk and inspected some pebbles. Ds would be climbing the walls if we didn't though!

We took DS to the alps last winter (aged 18 months) and although we were careful not to be outside for long at a time, he had great fun sledinging, jumping in the snow and watching people in the ski lifts. We did have him kitted out in proper scandinavian snow kit from head to toe though.

BoffinMum Sat 01-Dec-12 22:05:55

If you invest in walking boots, performance socks, Gore-tex outers and so on, in other words miniature versions of what seriously outdoorsy adults wear, kids are capable of impressive feats of endurance in the cold and wet.

charllie Sat 01-Dec-12 22:07:03

YABU children love playing out in all weather, they need to play out in all weather - its a great learning experience for them. I work with children and have done for 13+ years and have always taken children out in all weather. As a parent it is your responsibility to make sure your child has warm suitable clothing and also suitable spare clothes for the times they do get wet etc.

AThingInYourLife Sat 01-Dec-12 22:37:01

"If you invest in walking boots, performance socks, Gore-tex outers and so on, in other words miniature versions of what seriously outdoorsy adults wear, kids are capable of impressive feats of endurance in the cold and wet."

That stuff is very expensive.

You cannot expect people to buy that kind of gear for toddlers just so they can go to nursery.

If it's too cold or wet to be outdoors in regular seasonal clothes and a coat and hat, children should be kept indoors.

baublesandbaileys Sat 01-Dec-12 22:42:03

"You cannot expect people to buy that kind of gear for toddlers just so they can go to nursery"

I don't, but I do expect people to take their kids out somewhere other than nursery over the winter months confused, so it's not "just" for nursery is it?

Lidl/Aldi regularly do very very good cheap outdoor wear for kids (fleece lined waterproofs, fleece lined wellies, thermals etc

JackThePumpkinKing Sat 01-Dec-12 22:54:34

Rofl @ 'performance socks'

natation Sat 01-Dec-12 22:58:35

Oh come on, children are expensive, the fact that Winter gear bought brand new CAN be expensive is a weak reason for rejecting buying it and keeping your children at home.

Decathlon prices, especially if you hit sales, are not expensive. You can buy Winter gear for little children on ebay, Facebook, NCT sales etc and yes nothing wrong with Aldi stuff either. It's really not hard to source cheaper clothing for children.

baublesandbaileys Sat 01-Dec-12 23:00:09

oh and I also buy summer gear in winter on ebay and winter gear on really hot days in summer and there's never any other bidders grin

forevergreek Sat 01-Dec-12 23:00:18

We live in London. It's so wet they have been in waterproofs pretty much constantly since September. No doubt until April at this rate. That's half the year so they are definatly needed.

We spend a lot of time outside. Thermals on top and bottom, joggers/ fleeced lined jeans. Long sleeved tops, merino body warmers, thick jumpers, then a lined all in one waterproof. If is colder more layers. Also hat/ gloves/ scarf and snow boots. We spent all yesterday morning in Hyde park, played poo sticks, had hot milk from winter wonderland ( just ask, if they sell hot choc/ coffee etc they sell milk), watched squirrels, played in leaves, the walk there and back is 30 mins toddler walk each way. We also had lunch alongside the serpentine feeding ducks at the same time. When we arrived home they were perfectly toasty and dry ( adults also have thermals/ snowboots/ warm long coats)

After nap ( which was inside), they dressed again and spent the afternoon playing in the sand in the garden and sweeping leaves up with play brooms.

It's was between -1 and 4 yesterday, and they were fine and happy outside for 6 hours ( and they slept until 9.30am this morning! Perfect)

forevergreek Sat 01-Dec-12 23:01:18

Also if everyone wore better winter gear, there would soon be more to pass on to siblings/ get second hand etc so cheaper

Sirzy Sat 01-Dec-12 23:01:33

Ds has an all in one from next last winter - I did last winter and will do this (hopefully next to!) it cost about £20

He also has a 2 in one regatta fleece (again too big when I got it to get longer from it) I picked that up for £12

Hardly expensive for the amount of wear from them. Especially as they will be passed to my nephew when Ds is done with them!

Sirzy Sat 01-Dec-12 23:01:56

That should say 2 in 1 fleece and waterproof

AThingInYourLife Sat 01-Dec-12 23:38:38

"I don't, but I do expect people to take their kids out somewhere other than nursery over the winter months , so it's not "just" for nursery is it?"

There are plenty of "places other than nursery" in the UK that don't require dressing children in waterproofs, thermals and outdoor gear.

The vast majority of parents have no need if such clothes for their toddlers and small children.

Making expensive outdoor gear a requirement for attending nursery is a nonsense.

Kitting a family out in the way you describe, even from Aldi and Lidl, would be beyond many families.

Unless you are quite dedicated to outdoor pursuits there is no need for the clothes you are describing in a temperate climate such as ours.

AThingInYourLife Sat 01-Dec-12 23:45:33

grin

Haha! Now it's just turned into outdoor boasty thread.

Wow, you're all so great.

Let's make all families share your priorities, regardless of their means.

There's no poverty in the UK, right?

baublesandbaileys Sat 01-Dec-12 23:51:19

AThing no I don't believe that the "vast majority" of UK parents only do house-car-otherindoorvenue-car-house over the winter months. The vast majority get a bit of fresh air even if its just walking to the shops/park! I'm not talking about mountaineering, just going out for a toddle! that isn't an activity exclusively kept to spring and summer for most!

baublesandbaileys Sat 01-Dec-12 23:52:48

you're contradicting yourself there, if people are in poverty then how are they never outdoors? everyone has cars huh? outdoor gear is considerably cheaper than cars

natation Sat 01-Dec-12 23:54:45

Spending £30 or £40 on outdoor clothes is nothing when comparing it to the amount that is spent in the first few years of a child's life. It's all about priorities isn't it?

natation Sat 01-Dec-12 23:59:07

I suppose baubles there are families (like ours) who do live without cars though. We do it for financial reasons, but I'd never compromise on clothing the children, I just resource wisely.

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 00:03:40

"The vast majority get a bit of fresh air even if its just walking to the shops/park! I'm not talking about mountaineering, just going out for a toddle! that isn't an activity exclusively kept to spring and summer for most!"

That's my point. You don't need thermals and/or waterproofs to go to the park.

"It's all about priorities isn't it?"

Yes, it is.

And not all families want to prioritise outdoor gear in a climate where you don't need it day to day.

It's a perfectly valid choice.

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 00:05:29

"That's my point. You don't need thermals and/or waterproofs to go to the park"

??
your park have a micro climate that has different weather to your local nursery's outdoor area??

socharlotte Sun 02-Dec-12 00:05:50

have any of you read the OP? Her kids were doing water pla outside in very cold temperatures and their hands were red raw.
Snow suits, waterproofs and thermals are not going to pevent that.Water play outside in freezing conditions is wrong.

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 00:05:53

Yabu op, but I think deep down you know that. Buy them some decent outdoor gear. athinginyourlife your posts don't make sense to me. We have hardy 2 pennies to rub together hence the kids have decent outdoor clothes. We can't afford soft play areas, sea zoos etc so we do lots of walking in the woods, trips to the beach, feeding the Ducks, going to the park etc.

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 00:13:56

"your park have a micro climate that has different weather to your local nursery's outdoor area??"

Nope, but my home has this amazing technology called windows that allow me to use the power of sight to see that it is raining and decide not to go until it stops.

And if I'm in the park and it's a bit nippy, my toddler has developed an extraordinary facility whereby she tells me that she is cold and wants to go home.

I didn't say that nurseries should not ever let children outdoors in winter.

Just that there should be no requirement to send them in dressed for a hike in sleet.

That means that if the weather is especially unpleasant (which never lasts long in our changeable climate) the children can stay indoors rather than go out.

It won't do them any harm wink

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 00:16:12

"Snow suits, waterproofs and thermals are not going to pevent that.Water play outside in freezing conditions is wrong."

She should buy them diving gloves presumably, because being indoors makes toddlers die.

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 02-Dec-12 00:40:18

Oddly, Aldi have their snow/cold weather stuff coming out today voila

UrgentSubconsciousDemandsBacon Sun 02-Dec-12 00:43:37

I read it. Water play outside at this time of year is stupid.

UrgentSubconsciousDemandsBacon Sun 02-Dec-12 00:44:16

rofl @ diving gloves grin

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 00:54:35

I read the OP too

the OPs solution to them doing water play was to ask the nursery to "keep them inside *until spring*" not to ask them to just not do water play until spring!

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 01:11:59

Aldi.have snowsuits for £9:99 and gloves proper thick.ski.type ones for £2:99.

We go out in all weathers, given the damp misersble weather in the uk.you would have a lot of days when you never went to the park.if you stayed in when it was raining/cold/damp.

Even if its not raining when you go.out it us often still wet from the rsin, frost, dew etv. My kids dont moan they are cold as they have appropriate clothing! Tho.ds2 would wear shorts and t-shirt all year round regardless.

Get a snowsuit that is big and it lasts for two years, they dont get worn.out so can.be handed down to siblings or sold on ebay or gumtree etc.

Water play even in the cold is fine, mine love leaving various containers of water out overnight for it to freeze and then they play with the frozen shape. As soom as it gets properly cold we will be filling balloons with water and food colouring and leaving them outside to freeze. It make big ice marbles!! Fab fun.

Sorry but in the uk you cant stay in when its wet/cold all the time and its a crap attitude ti have. Being outside in the fresh air and getting some exercise is good for us!

DingDongKethryverilyonHigh Sun 02-Dec-12 01:21:47

we dont live indoors, i do take my kids for walks or to the park to play.

walks require wellies, coats, hats, gloves and old trousers. But i dont let my 3yo get absolutely drenched through her coat and onto her shirt underneath then expect her to walk home like that!

Its not ok to hand a wet toddler over in this cold. They should either keep them out of the water or have spare coats!

DayShiftDoris Sun 02-Dec-12 02:53:06

YANBU

They left very young children in wet clothes... REGARDLESS of what the OP had left in the way of spare clothes the nursery surely had some?

And outdoor play is one thing but WATER play? I suggest that some of the adults on here take themselves out in the morning to play in some water and see how much fun it is when you can no longer feel your hands and they are bright red with cold.

Padded, waterproof ski gloves... are you all serious?? These are 3yr olds with developing fine motor skills how will they do anything? My 8yr old cant even clip the dog lead on in his or do his coat up and he even struggles to hold the dog lead!

OP... I would be furious! Perhaps not keep them in until spring though lol!

All children are different... I have one that has always seemed to need a layer less than other kids or will overheat but if he gets too cold, especially his hands it happens VERY quickly and it affects him very badly.

If the twin who was 'unwell' with the cold continues it might be worth popping him along to the GP - a friend of mine has a twin with Raynards that was diagnosed very young but if I am honest I don't know how he presented when he had it.

Just carry out sensible parenting OP and expect the nursery to sensible too... if they are not then a bit of a word might be in order.

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 06:02:46

Just a small point but I very much doubt the children had their hands held in the water while they were forced to play in it!

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 07:43:49

"Just a small point but I very much doubt the children had their hands held in the water while they were forced to play in it!"

confused

These children are toddlers!

The fact that they will allow themselves to get freezing cold and wet playing outdoors in water doesn't mean it is a good idea for them to do it.

Shit, we wouldn't need nurseries in the first place if children of that age could be left to their own devices with no ill effects.

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 07:47:43

Cold hands won't do them any harm if it's for a short amount of time though. If the child isn't distressed by it it's not a major issue as long as the staff make sure they dry their hands properly after (which I know it seems didn't happen in this case but that's a different issue)

Do you not let your children play out in the snow incase their hands get cold?

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 08:33:12

Athinginyourlife are you seriously saying that if you look out of the window and it's raining you don't go out? Has your toddler never experience jumping in all the puddles as it raining heavily, or a strong wind blowing in his/her face, or the feeling of snow on their hands? Are you that adaptable that as soon as your toddler says its cold you go home? What about if your out with other people, or need to get other things done? Would it not be easier to buy some decent outdoor clothes rather than let the weather dictate yours and your child's lifes? After all I reckon it's going to be pretty cold, and no doubt wet for a fair few months now confused

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 08:52:16

"Athinginyourlife are you seriously saying that if you look out of the window and it's raining you don't go out?"

No, I'm seriously saying nothing of the kind.

Can't you read?

The argument I'm having is that it shouldn't be necessary to send a child to nursery in gore-tex because they are going to be dumped outside playing with water in all weathers.

My children have good outdoor gear because we like walking and love going out in the rain.

We go out every day because I can't bear being in the house with a toddler who needs to get out.

But I'm not an idiot, of course I look out the window to see what the weather is like and make my plans accordingly.

Sometimes getting suited aand booted and splashing around in puddles is the way forward, other days we wait 5 minutes until the rain has passed and then go out in our regular street coats.

Part of loving the outdoors is understanding and responding to the weather.

butterfingerz Sun 02-Dec-12 09:53:34

I don't think you really have to go OTT with specialist outdoor clothing in the UK, for kids - a thermal vest, wellies/boots and good winter coat with hat, gloves and scarf usually do the trick.

You should get used to it OP, my DDs reception class spend half their day outside (I'm sure I see water play set up outside even now it's winter). I think it's great, so much more interesting than when I was a kid.

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 10:00:34

butterz my ds4 is in reception and they have an outdoor area they go outside everyday and are still doing water play etc.

The problem isnt the childrem going outside and getting wet, its that when they came in they werent dried/changed as necessary.

And athing your bit about windows etc if course reads like you dont go out when its raining.

A snowsuit or waterproof trousers etc is not exactly going overboard given uk weather, you can pick them up cheaply and they can then layer up underneath if the outfit us just waterproof and not insulated.

forevergreek Sun 02-Dec-12 10:27:50

It rains half the year here though, and I did its cold more than that. Going to the park in the cold and finding the slide wet is a regular occurrence, but if they are in waterproofs they can go down/ in swings regardless as will stay dry

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 10:38:35

You can't slide down a wet slide in any clothes, because they are not slippy.

You can buy a piece of equipment called a towel that will dry park equipment after rain.

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 10:47:22

Err yoi can slide down wet slides, esp in waterproofs, mine do it all the time!! Re drying slides i dont carry towels around with me. I do often have a muslin cloth but depending on.how wet it is that wont be enough to dry it, plus climbing frames, round abouts, swings etc. Far easier just to stick them in waterproofs.

We need waterproofs for the school run and they had them when little for going in the bike seat as well as splashing in puddles etc.

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 11:30:04

Well I guess if your kids like inching slowly down a wet slide you can leave them.

It is shit though.

LOL @ drying a climbing frame or needing waterproofs to go on one that is wet.

I live in drizzly Ireland, not a Monsoon region.

We don't need waterproofs every day.

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 11:42:37

I'm guessing you really don't go out in the wet athinginyourlife, if you did you would know there's nothing faster at going down a wet slide than a kid in waterproof trousers!

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 11:55:52

I go out in the wet all the time.

Wet slides are crap.

forevergreek Sun 02-Dec-12 11:56:58

The slides are def faster in waterproofs when wet. Maybe not in waterproofs if dry but that not what your saying. I don't have space to carry a wet towel around.

Like j said we re in London and have needed waterproofs for weeks so you must live in a dry bubble in Ireland

TheElfOnThePanopticon Sun 02-Dec-12 11:58:23

My experience of nurseries nd Early Years settings is that they generally provide waterproof all in ones and emergency wellies, and ask parents to send their children in dressed in suitable clothes for outdoor and messy play and to provide spate clothes in case the child gets wet. If I were the OP, I wouldn't ask for my children to be kept indoors, but I would insist that the staff made sure that children were dressed appropriately and not left all day in wet clothes.

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 11:59:08

fairy was going to say the same! They fly off the end! And yes its wet here and muddy, we walk across a field to school everday and they wear waterproif trousers over their school trousers so they are clean and dry for school. I wrar wellies to do the school run or else my shoes/jeans would be trashed.

Today we have sunshine and its lovely and bright out but as its rained everyday the last week or so its still wet! We went on holiday to devon this year, u fortunately it was wet/rainy but waterproofs and wellies meant we still.had fun, even on the beach and there were lots of families with toddlers in waterproofs having fun on the beach.

Our school recomends waterproofs as rhey are out lots and in certain years they go on activity trips for a few days and do allsorts, caving, river walking, lots of getting wet/dirty!

Depending on which park we go to.or where we go for a walk even if its not raining its wet and muddy. Dp.took the kuds for a ealk the other day and they have some great photos of them literally stuck in a muddy puddle and as dp picked dd up her wellies came off stuck in the mud. Boys had a ball pulling them out.

Waterproifs can just be wiped down showered ofc if they get muddy and the children stay dry and warm!

I live in norwich so not even the nirth where its colder and you get more snow etc but waterproifs are still worth having.

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 12:04:45

It has been glorious where I am for the last month or so. Cold and dry and bright and sunny.

Barely even any drizzle, I don't think I've taken the waterproofs out since October.

But IME wet slides are not slippy enough, regardless of clothing. And rubber boots are the worst for stopping mid way.

forevergreek Sun 02-Dec-12 12:51:34

Rubber boots might stop slide a bit, but being wet and cold stops play all together

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 13:08:32

"being wet and cold stops play all together"

Quite.

Which brings us back to having an outdoor water table in November and why it's a stupid idea that can't be overcome with clothing.

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 13:16:19

yes it can a waterproof all in one over the top and the children are fine! if they stillmanage to get wet then the pre-school should dry and change the children. that is what spare clothes are for!

if we stayed in each time it was wet we wouldnt go.out much. september was dreadful this year, really wet. ditto the last week. appropriate clothing and its fine.

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 13:28:26

Do you know what else is waterproof and keeps you dry when playing at a water table?

A roof!

Standing at a water table is sedentary. There is no good reason to do it outside in cold weather.

Waterproof clothes are for playing out in the rain or in puddles or pools of mud.

Putting them on so you can stand still with your gloves off and your bare hands in cold water playing with plastic toys that can easily be moved indoors is just stupid.

What on earth is the point of that?

Unless it's to keep inside nice and pristine?

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 13:49:45

err a roof doesnt keep children dry when they are playing with water! our reception class has an outdoor area that is partly covered ovet which is great but children that are playing with water and tipping it and pouring and splashing etc are still going to get wet.

and yes it makes sense to have a water tabls outside so the floor inside doesnt get wet or slippy etc and the children can play without staff having to worry about mess.

children.tend to come and go from one activitu and they dont always stand still even whem playing at a water table. ours us still.in the garden and played wuth regularly, dd and ds4 can go from the outside tap to the table pouring and carrying they move about and even when stood on one place tend to jiggle around and fidget, jump etc. normal toddler behaviour.

hands will dry and warm up. the problem was the pre-school.not drying the children off.

dikkertjedap Sun 02-Dec-12 14:06:37

Well, I am with AThingInYourLife on this.

I am a primary school teacher. I have taught for years in UK primary schools. Our kids were sent out in all weather, whatever their clothes. Some were sent to school without coats and even in shorts in freezing temperatures. We always made an effort to give them some extra clothes, although not all teachers agreed with this. We always had lots of ill children, snotty noses, feverish etc. etc.

Now I teach in the Netherlands. Kids are kept indoors in bad/cold weather. I can't say if we have fewer ill children but definitely not more.

Proper outdoor clothing is very expensive, especially for kids. Ideally you need breathable clothing with taped seams, otherwise they get very hot and sweaty. There are many people who cannot afford this, especially in the UK.

I find it very poor that the staff at OP's nursery send her dc home in wet clothes. At our school, we always tried to find a solution, often involving borrowing clothes from others if necessary. In part, it comes down to time (having sufficient staff to change children) and resources (having spare clothes) and in part it is down to attitude (it is/ is not the school's problem).

AThingInYourLife Sun 02-Dec-12 14:15:16

"err a roof doesnt keep children dry when they are playing with water!"

grin

No, but it keeps them warm.

Which is a big advantage if you are wet.

"and yes it makes sense to have a water tabls outside so the floor inside doesnt get wet or slippy etc and the children can play without staff having to worry about mess."

Ah, so this is what is best for adults.

That figures.

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 14:20:32

not just for adults the children dont need to be falling over and slipping on a wet floor.

waterproofs dont have to be expensive.

funny how you say in the netherlands they dont go out but lots of other posters who live their saying they do.

i would rather my children went out and got wet/dirty, they enjoy it and would spend far too many days indoors if they stayed in when it was wet.

would love to hear the schools respinse ad well if i didnt take them.to school.when.its wet, sorry i am not walking them.to school.today as its raining! sure.that would go down well..not!

dikkertjedap Sun 02-Dec-12 14:27:01

When working in the UK, we taught 50 per cent of lessons outside according to EYFS. I had kids crying and begging to be allowed to go in. It was not allowed. I don't think that these kids learned a lot from these sessions. This was not a one off BTW, it was a daily thing when it was cold/wet. Kids were utterly miserable. However, their parents loved it, they thought it was brilliant that we were out and about so much. They thought that it was very good for their kids and that they would become very hardy. I think they were just taught to hate the outdoors in colder seasons TBH.

In the Netherlands most kids cycle to school and go home for lunch. However, that is very different from being taught outdoors/having to play outdoors for hours. I doubt the Dutch parents of the kids in my class would be amused if their kids were to be taught literacy and numeracy in the rain BTW.

5madthings Sun 02-Dec-12 14:39:18

our school.has out door classrooms, some with a shelter/roof (but no walls) no.idea what % of time they are outside but its quite a lot. the school.tells parents to provide appropriate clothing and spare clothes and pretty much all parents do. the school also has a stock.if spares.

i dont know if there are guidlines dictating how much they should be outside but the eyfs actuslly says children should have access to outside not that they should be forced outside. mine all love it, i am not as big a fan if being outside but dont mind. i am pleased at home they can ay out in the garden or cul de sac and i can just watchbthem from inside whilst i make dinner etc.

my lot walk or bike to school, its a half hour walk so i spend at least two hours a day just walking to and from school.

most children i know enjoy playing out and being outside when at school, they loved it last year when the whole school played out in the field in the snow.

children.may moan.if they dont have appropriate clothing or they arent moving about to keep warm.

natation Sun 02-Dec-12 14:43:44

We use EYFS and have no clue where this 50% outside thing comes from, we don't spend 50% of time outside.

I am about to ask people I know in the Netherlands whether their under 5s are kept inside. In Brussels, I know of no school which keeps children indoors in bad weather - I have contacts in almost 100 schools.

Viviennemary Sun 02-Dec-12 14:50:39

I don't think water play outdoors is very sensible in freezing cold weather. I am not a very outdoors person myself. But children do need fresh air and you should see to it that they are properly dressed for cold weather in warm waterproof clothing.

natation Sun 02-Dec-12 15:10:59

Here is a direct quote from the Statutory Framework of EYFS (revised only a few months ago), section about safeguarding and welfare requirements.

3.57 The provider must ensure that, so far as is reasonable, the facilities,
equipment and access to the premises are suitable for children with
disabilities. Providers must provide access to an outdoor play area or, if that is
not possible, ensure that outdoor activities are planned and taken on a daily
basis (unless circumstances make this inappropriate, for example unsafe
weather conditions)

So children under the age of 6 must have either access to an outdoor play area or outdoor activities should be take daily eg a toddle outside along the road, unless weather conditions make this unsafe.

dikkertjedap Sun 02-Dec-12 15:18:19

Ofsted seems to like it a lot if kids spend a lot of time outside whatever the weather. I worked on a number of schools. The schools which were given an 'outstanding' by Ofsted were the schools with 50% play and learning outside. Ofsted specifically commented on this in their assessments.

Lots of staff were not that happy having to teach numeracy and literacy outside, but were forced by management to do so. Kids literally sat in the pouring rain with their whiteboards trying to do their sums. Not fun, I can tell you. sad

dikkertjedap Sun 02-Dec-12 15:18:59

Sorry, typo, should say 'in a number of schools' of course, not 'on'.

exoticfruits Sun 02-Dec-12 15:26:36

There is no such thing as inappropriate weather(or not in UK) - just inadequate clothing. It is good to get out all weathers.

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 16:38:49

I had kids crying and begging to be allowed to go in. It was not allowed.

Don't try to blame the EYFS for terrible practise within the establishment you worked it.

It doesn't say children should be forced to play outside against their will, it says children should have opportunities to play outside daily. There is a big difference.

Dead69Girl Sun 02-Dec-12 17:48:29

Yabu

kids need air, fresh crisp air.

get them some warm outdoor clothes.

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:02:28

"Proper outdoor clothing is very expensive, especially for kids" have you actually looked at the prices on the ALDI link? the stuff is very good.

outdoor gear is like shoes, its just something you do

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:17:10

YANBU!!! I would be just the same! My dd starts school in September . After a certain time during winter I will request she stays in until the weather wants back up a bit. She does have complex medical needs but that isn't the point I would
Still be requesting it even if she was completely healthy

forevergreek Sun 02-Dec-12 18:22:28

Piglettsmumny- I think unless your child has a one to one work for special needs reasons then this may be hard if there is one tracer, and poss one assistant to look after 25 children, who do you expect to stay inside with your daughter? If one goes out they all do for this reason. Just buy some warm thermals for under clothing for her and a warm hat/ coat. You can ask people to get for Xmas/ birthdays over the next year if too expensive

Thermals for kids are £3.99 at uniquo btw ATM if anyone lives near one

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:23:31

Why would you want a completly healthy child kept inside all the time just because is winter? Seriously?

DS has very bad asthma but I would never dream of keeping him inside over winter because of it, that would do him no good at all.

Children NEED fresh air. Not just when the weather is good but all year round

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:28:49

FGS it takes DS 20/30 mins to walk to school every day and we don't keep him home in winter just because it's not balmy enough out for the walk, when he does outside play he belts around the place as opposed to dragging his heels on the walk there/back so I imagine he's much warmer during daily outside play than he is during the daily walk there and back

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:29:36

So everyone on this post sends there child out every single day of the year??? U doubt it! And I didn't mean all winter! I said a certain point!! All problems aside my dd asks to
Go home often because she is cold despite many layers on! I have worked in nurserys and in my experience children are else than enthusiastic to go out when it's cold!! There not going to suffer by not going out for playtime!! They will still get fresh air!

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:30:46

BTW if in a non uniform preschool, m&s do great fleece lined jeans which I find last 2 years because of the elastic waste (rolled up first year)

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:31:31

Yes, DS goes out every day - why wouldn't you?

Children don't care what the weather is like they WANT to play outside. Its up to parents to (try to) ensure they are dressed appropriately for the weather.

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:32:01

"So everyone on this post sends there child out every single day of the year??? U doubt it! "

err yes! how often do you think you can ring the school to say "sorry not taking them in today because it's raining so we can't leave the house!"? confused

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:32:53

I also go to work even in winter! I cannot imagine what would happen if I rang in with "too cold to walk to bus stop, sorry!"

forevergreek Sun 02-Dec-12 18:33:14

Yes we do, we go out every day ( unless someone has vomiting bug or something).

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 18:33:19

pigglettsmummy unless your dd has 1:1 you have no chance, i just can't understand why you think it would be a good idea? I brought the snow boots and gloves from Aldi today, there great. Just wrap them up and proved a spare change of clothes incase needed - simples!

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:33:52

I dont no who would stay in with her, I haven't been put in that situation yet but lets say I request her to be kept in due to rr medical problems? If she doesn't qualify for one to one care does that mean they shud ignore my request? Nope? I'm
Just saying If a parent sees fit to request their child to be kept in then they shud be allowed to have that choice

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:34:24

or if I ever rang work saying "sorry can't take DC on the 20 min walk up to nursery so won't be in today, gotta huddle indoors with them! it looks like rain and he might melt on the way!"

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 18:36:20

And yes, of course we go out everyday confused in the right clothing. I don't think either of mine have complained of the wet / cold ever.

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:36:35

Asking for her to stay in when she is ill is one thing, but why would you ask her to stay in if she is in what is her normal condition? What will be gained?

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:36:45

The school dd is going to has more than one teacher in the nursery! What f a child threw up while playing outside? They couldn't just stay outside?

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 18:39:32

Your child will not be allowed to stay inside when others are outside unless allocated a 1:1 support, which she isn't. It's hardy fair on the other kids to be kept inside just or the sake of one child (mum) is it? If the medicial problems are that severe then you should be getting 1:1 support?

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:41:06

piglet in nursery they need more than one teacher for a crowd of kids, they can't let one go in with one child because then the ratio for the outside group will be off. They will have enough to take kids into the loo etc but they don't tend to have lots of spares

do people really stay housebounds for days on end during a run of bad weather? bonkers!

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:43:37

We haven't been assessed yet! So we don't no but ie heard change in the criteria might mean we don't even et 1:1 for her! I would never assume that any child shud
Suffer because of another hut I have never heard Of only one teacher in a nursery! if OP wast happy like she stated then they should accommodate! My daughters condition is serious yes but I don't want to go into details. She suffered very badly this summer and had countless admissions to hospital! Does that account for serious enough?

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:44:54

baublesandbaileys I didnt state I stayed inside for days on end? hmm

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:45:20

no, its not one teacher, its one teacher per x amt of kids, so if all are outside they NEED all teachers to be outside as the supervising ratio needs that many adults with that group!

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:46:03

Well if your planning on not going out when its cold that could easily be days on end.

To want children to stay in because its cold is daft and is doing the child no good at all.

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:46:17

but cold and wet weather can go on for days!

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:47:53

Well il be lucky then as Dd is going to a school nursery so there will be 'x' amount of extra helpers around the school! I'm no saying I've done it yet but I'd expect them to accommodate for her needs! If they want to ignore it and put her health at risk then thats up to them!

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 18:48:40

I don't know piglettsmummy as like you said you don't want to go into details. Seriously though, i think you may be having unrealistic expectations how a nursery / school can accomadate a child (any child). It's just not viable to keep one child inside, or even 3/4. The staffing ratio is there for a reason.

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:50:07

Dear me! Put it this way! Dd is perfectly fine to go out at the
Current temperatures/ weather! We go by how dd is heathwise! As the weather begins to turn more she will become more unwell! You see? So it's not just a little bit of cold! Jeez I'm not a mad woman

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:50:10

the extra helpers are actually there for reasons, they're not just spare!

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:51:08

There not busy all the time either!!!

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 18:52:08

Go in and chat to the nursery now piglettsmummy so you can prepare yourself. these extra helpers are not just floating around waiting for something to do, there role is well allocated for and it will not include staying inside with your dd unless you secure the 1:1 funding for her.

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:52:16

I think the school were going to must me amazing compare to others, that have no additional staff etc! But then again this school has experience with SN.

baublesandbaileys Sun 02-Dec-12 18:53:56

I think you should go in and have a chat with them, and get an accurate idea of what you can expect, if you're right, great! if you're wrong you have time to think about things like gathering medical evidence etc, but at least you'll be properly prepared

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:54:28

fairyegg we have been in and discussed everything! It's good job I'm organised and we have everything planned/ set out grin

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:54:45

If you really think your DD will need to be inside over winter then you need to talk to her consultant and see what he thinks, if he agrees then get them to write to the nursery.

However, it is well worth bearing in mind that germs are going to be spread a lot more couped up in a centrally heated building than they will outside.

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:55:30

I'm not some freak blabbering on! I am aware wat I'm saying!!

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:56:19

Well what you are saying and what you are writing are two very different things obviously!

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:56:23

It isn't anything to do with germs!! Yes they are a big problem for her but I'm not putting her in a plastic bubble!!

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:56:50

Whys that sirzy?

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 18:58:01

My ds school is linked to the local special needs school, there is a unit within the school as well so there are kids there with all sorts of disabilities, many very severe (cp, cf, downs syndrome etc) The point stands that unless you manage to secure the 1:1 funding additional staff will not be given to your dd. the staff may not look busy to you, but I bet they are. I really hope you get the 1:1 if you feel your dd needs it. Otherwise I don't think you would have any choice but to keep her at home, or let her play outside, if the weather is 'bad'.

dikkertjedap Sun 02-Dec-12 18:58:40

Clearly a lot of posters have problems reading.

At many UK schools kids stay our virtually all morning whatever the weather. That is quite a different proposition to going to work/school and going home again. Being out all morning can imply being out from about 9.00h (eg after register) until 13.00h (lunch time). If you are out for four hours you get plenty of chance to chill to the bone.

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 18:59:11

Because every one of your posts has basically implied that you don't want your daughter playing out in the cold, and you have even said that even if she didn't have health problems you would feel the same.

As the parent of a child who has a lot of health problems (over 20 admissions in less than 3 years) I know its hard but you also have to be realistic about things which is why I suggested talking to her consultant sensibly about it. Don't make such a decision without it being on medical advice as all it will do is make her feel she is missing out even more because mummy says she can't play in the snow with her friends or whatever else they are doing when she has to sit inside alone.

forevergreek Sun 02-Dec-12 19:04:48

You might have to homemschool.. Nice and warm

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:04:50

Ok so let's put into perspective from your point of view . Yes I can understand that a healthy child by playing out because of the cold Is a bit daft........ But with heath problems here we go..... This summer the heat ( which wasn't even t hat hot) forced dd to be
On oxygen everyday for nearly 2 months!! Now at he age of 3 there is no way she will be able to
Carry an oxygen cylinder around on her and if there is no available staff outside what is she supposed to do?winter causes
Much more problems for her. Her condition is so rare doctors learn from her! Thy tell us to follow her lead what she cannt cope with we shudnt force! Wen dd starts nursery he won't be attending for the amount of time that is the minimum elidgabilty for 1:1 so what can she do??? I will be hiring a nurse for her if need be!

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:06:59

This takes drip feeding to the extremes.

Most peoples comments initally where about your comment of wanting even a healthy child to stay in.

If you feel that your child needs to be in like I said you need to talk it through with the consultants and take it from there.

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:08:26

I'm no drip feeding! But when people have a go saying I'm stopping my dd doing things for no reason, I obviously hero give reasons why?????

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:09:36

And tbh if I had posted everything in one go a) I would be disclosing more than I feel comfortable with and b) it would be a bloody life story and everyone would
Be
Moaning!grin

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:11:41

Which is why I said to talk to the consultant. I discussed at length the best way to work things at nursery for DS to stop his problems holding him back whilst also not making him ill.

It must be a horrible situation for you which is why you need to work with the hospital and the nursery to ensure the provision is the best for your DD without her being left out too much.

Fairyegg Sun 02-Dec-12 19:12:01

And are the nursery aware that she basically needs 1:1 suport but doesn't have the funding? Can you not let her attend nursery for the right amount of time so that she can apply for the 1:1? Certainly in ds nursery class there were 1:1 s for 2 children with what I would call 'severe needs'.

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:18:00

Sirzy we have sort of 'adapted' in a way so that she doesn't miss out much, but does things a different way! We a re pretty used to it now. And I'm
Not sure we meet again to discuss and have her assessed in march we will see everyone who will be directly involved with her including first aided and support workers. Things have been discussed wih her doctors already! They are
Writting to the school nursery etc so everyone is well aware of the plan. It's hard to have to stop a child doing something but wud be done from
Dd's cue, If she is too ill one day then she'll have to stay indoors! But its something I wouldn't think about Twice!!

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:19:00

fairy egg they are well aware of her needs, Infact she has more needs now since we spoke to them

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:24:23

Sounds like you have things well planned then, and your last post suggests a much more sensible approach than some of your earlier ones. I am sure you will find the best way for her.

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:27:39

Like I said I don't like to 'drip feed' because I don't like ( unless asking for advice) to talk about her issues! I was just trying to say that whatever the
Child's needs ( non or severe) OP should be able to resolve something with he staff, if she REALLY wants dc to stay in then they have to come o a
Compromise

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:30:13

But the children in the OP don't really have any needs which mean they can't play outside so that is different to your DD.

piglettsmummy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:31:52

Yeah ano that I mean overall any child that is not happy outdoors shudnt be kept outside!!sad

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 19:33:07

I agree in general for nursery age children, but the OPs children WHERE happy which is the key.

LynetteScavo England Sun 02-Dec-12 19:34:30

Yes, small DC should have access to outdoors in all weathers, but they should have apropriate clothing. - Hat, gloves, roll neck, snow boots or thick socks and wellies.

They should also be allowed to come indoors if they want to. Children who are obviously becoming cold should be brought inside, even if they are engrossed in the sand. And when they are warm, allowed to go out again.

Yes, it's a pain for their carers, but it's what's best for the DC.

I saw a child (and his mother) in the supermarket appropriately dressed for the weather today. I thought "I bet he's Eastern European". When I walked past him and his mother, I think they were speaking Russian to each other. We Brits have a lot to learn.

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