To have zero sympathy with this mother who lost her baby

(193 Posts)
ReallyTired Tue 27-Nov-12 23:42:34

Allowing someone to circumcise a baby with a pair of sissors at home is child abuse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20518046

Surely the mother could have taken the child to A and E if it was bleeding so much.

I think that both women deserve to go to jail for child cruety and manslaughter.

It needs to be made a criminal offence for someone to carry out a circumcism who isn't a doctor. I also feel that circumcisms need to be carried out in a hospital enviromnent with proper pain relief and emergency facilties. Anything else is child abuse.

It is a point less waste of life what happened to this little baby.

CindySherman Tue 27-Nov-12 23:45:30

I can't click the link. I really hope it isn't what I think
It is that happened to that baby sad

CindySherman Tue 27-Nov-12 23:46:19

sad why on earth did blush face come up ...

CharlieCoCo Tue 27-Nov-12 23:49:37

it didnt, i see sad face.

Poor baby sad

ChippingInLovesAutumn Tue 27-Nov-12 23:50:15

I am not clicking that link.

Poor, poor baby sad

Circumcision should be illegal unless absolutely necessary for medical reasons.

pigletmania Tue 27-Nov-12 23:50:47

I agree yanbu

MrsMushroom Tue 27-Nov-12 23:51:54

The parents were not from the UK and did not know the operation was available free in the hospital and the woman who did the murder...it wasn't a circumcision it was a murder imo....she never told them.

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 27-Nov-12 23:53:24

good god. i should be shocked but im not.

WelshMaenad Tue 27-Nov-12 23:54:48

In principle I agree Chipping, but illegality would only drive more parents to backstreet scissor-wielders, with horrible consequences.

It makes me feel nauseous. Poor baby.

I know the parents didn't know it was available for free on the NHS. They should have bloody asked about getting it done by a proper professional though, even if they thought they might have to pay. They didn't even bother to find out. No excuse, sorry.

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 00:00:24

Cultural differences sometimes mean that people are afraid of authority....and often due to having lived under dictatorships.

SirBoobAlot Wed 28-Nov-12 00:03:59

I didn't think circumcision was covered by the NHS unless for medical reasons?

It should be illegal. There is no need for newborns to be put through that, it makes me feel sick.

That poor poor baby.

MrsMushroom Wed 28-Nov-12 00:06:22

I think it's covered for cultural reasons too.

expatinscotland Wed 28-Nov-12 00:07:34

The mother may have been forced into the circumcision, and forced not to take her son to A&E. She may not have spoken English as a first language and known about how the NHS works and how there was help for her child.

WarmFuzzyFun Wed 28-Nov-12 00:08:08

I feel sad that a child has died.sad I am sure that the mother, and her wider family will mourn the loss of this child irrespective of the events that lead up to the child's death. It is unspeakably awful to lose a child, imagine the elation for the parents when that baby was born.

I agree entirely that circumcision should not be permitted unless for medical reasons, but I am aware that for some people it is a cultural dictate that is non negotiable.

sad

YABU

Pixel Wed 28-Nov-12 00:16:12

It says the woman was paid £100 for the 'procedure' so I don't think money was necessarily a factor.

80sMum Wed 28-Nov-12 00:19:04

How tragic! Just imagine how the mother must feel, no doubt blaming herself and wishing she could turn back the clock.
Sorry, but I think you're being rather harsh not to feel sympathy for a mother who's lost her son, even if it was as a result of foolishness.

RyleDup Wed 28-Nov-12 00:24:12

You are being harsh op. Very harsh. And I have every sympathy for her.

ripsishere Wed 28-Nov-12 00:34:42

YABVU OP. You don't know the first thing about the background of the family. To me, the fact that they didn't know it was available on the NHS speaks volumes.

DioneTheDiabolist Wed 28-Nov-12 00:39:09

This family probably thought that by paying a nurse to perform the circumcision that they had got a professional.

YABVU

ThatVikRinA22 Wed 28-Nov-12 00:52:27

but the mother had been in the UK since 2008, surely in that time you start to find out what you are entitled to as a resident of the country you have called home for 4 years?

the baby bled to death.

in any culture, surely any mother would sense something was wrong and seek help?
we need to educate people, and particularly those cultures who still circumsize their children, both male and female. female genital mutilation is illegal in this country - does it still happen? you bet it does, and all underground. i cannot advocate, or justify it under any circumstances.

Monty27 Wed 28-Nov-12 00:54:13

Hmmm, don't like the idea of any mother deserving the death of her baby. Particularly when you don't know the facts op do you???

FFs

ThatVikRinA22 Wed 28-Nov-12 00:54:38

btw, i do have sympathy for the mother. of course i do. i have sympathy for any parent who loses a child.

monsterchild Wed 28-Nov-12 01:02:08

YABVU to not have sympathy for the parents. I understand your outrage that they let this happen, but condemning them is no different than condemning any parent who's poor decision lead to the death of a child.

I certainly have sympathy for her. Being a parent is terrifying.

EmmaBemma Wed 28-Nov-12 05:29:58

"serves her right" is a shockingly callous reaction to this awful story, OP. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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