For wanting to stop this biscuit incident?

(114 Posts)
Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 18:54:00

Shopping centre. Tuesday afternoon. Warrington. Millies Cookies. Mother and (I think) her parents are with a child in a pushchair. Child aged six months approx.

They buy cookies, then give a whole one the size of the baby's head to the baby. Baby not overly impressed I have to say. Granny even remarked 'oh, don't you like it'?

Agggghhhhh!!!! I managed to resist stomping over but then wondered if I was then complicit in this.

10mins later I saw baby with just a stump of biscuit in her tiny hand. I just hope she had thrown the rest somewhere.

Perhaps it is just that I am a tad sensitive to sugar and salt etc issues. Our 11mth old has only had sugar and salt in bread. Have to confess I can't be bothered to make sugar-free bread but not so much as a Petit Filous has passed his lips. His first sugar rush will be his first birthday cake.

Really, they don't need it. Not even in stewed fruit.

Live and let live... Maybe. :-/

TheSmallPrint Tue 27-Nov-12 18:55:20


SomebodySaveMe Tue 27-Nov-12 18:55:27

A tad sensitive perhaps OP!

MadCap Tue 27-Nov-12 18:55:48


TidyDancer Tue 27-Nov-12 18:56:09

Really, OP? Really?!

Svrider Tue 27-Nov-12 18:56:20


MadCap Tue 27-Nov-12 18:56:24

TheSmallPrint, you beat me to it.

MadCap Tue 27-Nov-12 18:57:01

Mind your own beeswax OP.

TheSmallPrint Tue 27-Nov-12 18:57:15

Couldn't resist Madcap grin

SantyClaws Tue 27-Nov-12 18:57:37

what is it with smug mothers on here today?

Jins Tue 27-Nov-12 18:58:36

Yes OP you are complicit in the crime of a baby being given a biscuit.

You should definitely stomp over next time. Those silly people may not be aware that babies don't need sugar and will be eternally grateful to you


FromEsme Tue 27-Nov-12 18:58:58

You said it yourself, live and let live.

FromEsme Tue 27-Nov-12 18:59:37

Jins you can imagine them, can't you, falling to their knees in gratitude?


ConferencePear Tue 27-Nov-12 18:59:48

Look on the bright side. The baby probably didn't have any teeth to spoil.

bondigidum Tue 27-Nov-12 19:00:15


AmazingBouncingFerretDude Tue 27-Nov-12 19:00:33

Is this a pisstake?

Yama Tue 27-Nov-12 19:00:34

YANBU in wanting to stop this biscuit incident.

BeaWheesht Tue 27-Nov-12 19:01:41

They gave it a biscuit not a line of coke, lighten up.

Why are you do against sugar?

MrsWolowitz Tue 27-Nov-12 19:01:54

You're not one of those who bring your own organic, taste sugar free food to birthday parties are you?

Oh here, have a sugar free biscuit

Narked Tue 27-Nov-12 19:03:59

What is it with all the wind up artists on here of late? hmm

akaemmafrost Tue 27-Nov-12 19:04:12

Next time why don't you say something to the parent then report back their response here? Now that WOULD be interesting to read.

Viviennemary Tue 27-Nov-12 19:10:52

Best way to encourage children to be sugar addicts when they are older. Be really strict and don't allow them any sugar.

LKirk Tue 27-Nov-12 19:12:21

YANBU in WANTING to stop the biscuit incident but not your place sadly. Perhaps a bit of pureed carrot or apple might have been a better choice at six months! Maybe I worry too much, but sugar aside, I'd be worried about bubs choking on the biscuit!

Shakirasma Tue 27-Nov-12 19:12:55

My DC all loved malted milk at that age.

MisForMumNotMaid Tue 27-Nov-12 19:13:56

Ooh we're is the Millie's cookies in Warrington? I've never been to one the DC would love head sized cookies.

Anythingforabitofpeace Tue 27-Nov-12 19:15:22

How sure where you that the baby was six months? Maybe it was older than your 11 month old.

SoleSource Tue 27-Nov-12 19:16:56


Sugar and salt is the food of the devil.

Evil, nasty fruit.

Rudolphstolemycarrots Tue 27-Nov-12 19:17:19

I wonder if that kid is in for a life time of crap food? Fast food when out, processed meals at home, crips, sweets, coke ... I know some people feed children that way and don't think of all the long term health issues attached. Sugar is seriously bad but people just don't realise.

zeeboo Tue 27-Nov-12 19:20:29

Lol at the idea that a baby would choke on a soft cookie but presumably would be fine with a piece of sugar free bread or an organic rice cake.

MamaBear17 Tue 27-Nov-12 19:22:35

I, for one, bloody hate the food police. My DD eats a healthy, well balanced diet. But, if I want to give her the occasional biscuit I bloody well will. (Admittedly, I perhaps would not have given her a biscuit at 6 months, but it still bloody annoys me when people sneer at her petit filous like it is poison) BUGGER OFF!

monkeymamma Tue 27-Nov-12 19:25:21

Are you ok, op? (Don't like to think you hoiked your judgey pants up so high they got stuck...)

bedmonster Tue 27-Nov-12 19:26:59

Really they don't need it. Even in a first birthday cake.

missymoomoomee Tue 27-Nov-12 19:28:53

Has anyone clutched their pearls and thought of the children yet?

<looks around>

Actual Lol at your 'Crimewatch' type opening.

Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 19:33:47

Child could have been older. Was very much a guesstimate. Could have been younger. Still very fragile and bendy looking. Very cute too. :-)
Thanks Monkeymamma. Wondered why my circulation was being cut off.
Have to say, would never become fully signed up member of the food police. Just surprised me. All sorts of things bother me, as they do all of us, but we usually find it's just not 'our' way. And I make loads of mistakes I know! Not at all self-righteous. Promise.

Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 19:34:52

Bedmonster, now thinking of carrot first birthday cake. Made of just carrots...

crashdoll Tue 27-Nov-12 19:39:03

Fuck me now I want a cookie the size of my head. sad

Enfyshedd Tue 27-Nov-12 19:41:05

My 6mo DD is tiny - smaller than a friend's nearly 4mo DD (although friend's DD was a 9lb+ newborn compared to my DD's 5lb 9oz). It's getting scary the amount of food she's starting to pack away.

However, last night I decided not to allow Heinz rice pudding for pudding with tea as even though it fills her tummy so she sleeps well for the night, she was bouncing off the walls for over an hour until it wore off and she went to sleep.

Parents' problem, not yours. YABU.

LavenderPots Tue 27-Nov-12 19:47:59

may not have been 6 months old my dd2 was the size of a 6 month old baby at 14months....unless baby had a badge saying 6 months old today how can you know?? MYOB

I love giving DS sweet stuff. It makes him so happy

amy175 Tue 27-Nov-12 19:54:00

i once saw a mum fill a baby bottle with red can coke for her baby in arms. sad

LilyVonSchtupp Tue 27-Nov-12 19:55:17

'I can't be bothered to make sugar free bread'


gordyslovesheep Tue 27-Nov-12 19:56:56

you can't be bothered to make sugar free bread - OMG what kind of mother are you

ClippedPhoenix Tue 27-Nov-12 19:59:13

I remember taking my DS to a party once many moons ago and there was a mum there who was known to be rather militant about her child not having sweet stuff. He went missing for a bit and was found under the table gorging on chocolate cake.

ceeveebee Tue 27-Nov-12 20:00:42

You wanted to stop this biscuit related incident?
Wtf does it have to do with you???

LilyVonSchtupp Tue 27-Nov-12 20:03:15

Wonder how sugar free bread rises?

Wonder if I should contact SS about 11 month old child who has never had meat, fruit, cheese, veg, yoghurt etc and other sugar and salt containing toxins essential nutrients for a growing human being

Shellywelly1973 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:03:27

Get a life...

Meggymoodle Tue 27-Nov-12 20:04:52

My guess is you'll be a bit more chilled out by the time the second child comes along (if that's the plan). My first beloved child had no sugar until well past his first birthday. My daughter was weaned on chocolate buttons.

DudeIAmSoFuckingRock Tue 27-Nov-12 20:12:40

where, in all of that, was the incident? was it when the vein popped in the side of your head?

DialsMavis Tue 27-Nov-12 20:16:17

1st baby: everything whole grain, absolutely no sugar or salt ever- fussy little sod and a total salad dodger to boot, obsessed with chocolate & crisps.

2nd baby: eats a bit of everything and always has done. Allowed to try whatever food is around- eats everything, scoffs salad, curries, stops eating when full regardless of whether she is allowed another biscuit or chocolate.


Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:16:56

Ha! Guess you're right Meggymoodie.
LilyVonSchtupp, does sugar make bread rise?? Fair point re:SS. He does have some salt in cheese, bread etc and does have yoghurt, just sugar-free type. Sugar in fruit too of course. Different type I think. Am no dietician. Just hope he ultimately has less rubbish put through his lovely little bod that I put through my (not so lovely) bod, and at the mo I am responsible for what he eats.
Love the story about the chocolate cake. That would be very funny. And very likely! But would never dictate at someone else's party. I know someone who won't let her four year old have crisps, chocolate etc and is really militant about it. Feel really sorry for the kid who is probably made to feel different from his friends. I am NOT going to be like that. Honest. Just feel a weird sense of collective responsibility where babies and very young children are concerned.
Will go onto Amazon to buy a life. Thanks Shellywelly.

KenLeeeeeee Tue 27-Nov-12 20:17:34

Fuck me now I want a cookie the size of my head.

Me too envy

Marzipanface Tue 27-Nov-12 20:19:52

I personally wouldn't give a baby an entire Millie's cookie but if I saw this I wouldn't 'intervene'!

Our 11mth old has only had sugar and salt in bread.

I AM concerned about salt levels but the competitive boasting on this site about how 'my child is X years old and has never so much as SNIFFED a chocolate button' is starting to really get on my tits. I get it from my SIL as well.

hazleweatherfieldgirldetective Tue 27-Nov-12 20:23:02

OP you do realise that artificial sweeteners, just like the ones found in sugar free yoghurt, are really not great for anyone health-wise, least of all a young child, don't you?

LavenderPots Tue 27-Nov-12 20:24:37

um but sugar free yoghurts are advised against for under 5's because of what they put in instead of sugar =s

Enfyshedd Tue 27-Nov-12 20:28:33

I believe that sugar is needed in bread to activate the yeast - otherwise the bread wouldn't rise.

Lily - A friend of mine just adopted a little girl. Poor little mite spent the first 18 months of her life being only bottle fed - if you're concerned, then act on it.

DialsMavis Tue 27-Nov-12 20:28:39

Even though I am incredibly relaxed about DCs diet, I do keep sugar free varieties well away from all of us. Disgusting crap. Real butter, and the odd full fat proper cake here. I don't give the youngest yoghurt with sugar either, just plain and fruit... But happy for her to scoff biscuits smile

ceeveebee Tue 27-Nov-12 20:29:39

Hopefully OP means those yoghurts with no refined sugar like Rachel's organic. Not diet yoghurts which would be very wrong!

Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:30:27

No sugar in natural yoghurt is there? Or those little Plum yoghurt things which are supposedly only flavoured with fruit? Ah well... Would give sugar over artificial sweeteners any day. Agree! :-)))

claraschu Tue 27-Nov-12 20:30:29

YABU to put sugar in your bread. It is completely unnecessary.

JesusInTheCabbageVan Tue 27-Nov-12 20:30:37

His first sugar rush will be his first birthday cake

Am I the only one who really, really wants to be there when this happens? I picture a Jeckyll and Hyde-style transformation, with him ending up a sugar-addled, tweaking little baby SuperHans.

hazleweatherfieldgirldetective Tue 27-Nov-12 20:30:54

Awww ceevee you shouldn't have prompted her! Of course she'll now say that's what she meant!

TiggyD Tue 27-Nov-12 20:31:31

It it everybody's duty to point out things that other people do wrong. Who would be upset at somebody pointing out their mistake? They will thank you for it and change their ways.

JesusInTheCabbageVan Tue 27-Nov-12 20:32:15

Meant to say Cbh1978 - fair play to you for taking it all in good humour! Mine was meant to be joky but might have come across a bit snide, sorry.

Chubfuddler Tue 27-Nov-12 20:35:34

I was thinking a "biscuit incident" would be something v v different to this

<clearly have filthy mind>

EasilyBored Tue 27-Nov-12 20:35:54

I let DS eat an apple flavour rice cake that he found under the table the other day.

I think he had dropped it at lunch that day. Cannot be certain.

It was a biscuit. If it was a crack pipe, you wouldn't have been unreasonable to say something. But it was a biscuit. Unclench.

Blu Tue 27-Nov-12 20:35:55

Fruit is packed FULL of sugar, though. That's why those yogurts don't need sweetening.

SantasStrapOn Tue 27-Nov-12 20:36:54

What does the poor yeast eat in sugar free bread?

Won't somebody think of the yeasts? sad

SantasStrapOn Tue 27-Nov-12 20:38:49

And we got DD2 crawling by laying out Jelly Tot trails for her. She was a lazy little sod, and would have quite happily stayed put for the rest of her life afaik.

Jelly Tots worked. Shoot me.

SweetMingePie Tue 27-Nov-12 20:40:39

Oh crawl out your own arse!

Did it really make you feel so superior that you just had to come here and gloat at you über child rearing skills?

Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:53:53

Not at all superiour SMP. can't bring self to write minge. Just did. Pants. Was surprised at own internal reaction (was it the yeasts??). Gave background info in the belief that I am indeed being unreasonable and need to get a life etc., as suggested by others.
Jesusinthecabbagevan, thank you! Can't imagine it will be the exciting moment everyone is anticipating, but yes, he may indeed explode. Now, that would be messy... I may need a biscuit to recover.

monkeymamma Tue 27-Nov-12 20:54:50

Yy op is taking all in good humour! I am feeling sheepish for earlier sarcasm. Sorry Op. was in the middle of long drawn out battle to get ds to sleep at the time (dh had taken over temporarily) and have vile cold so was feeling very stroppy.

We have had a very difficult/upsetting time weaning ds so I am a bit over sensitive on this subject. I tend to let him have a bit of whatever I'm having, so long as it doesn't have any whole nuts, honey etc and taking into account his various food intolerances (most of what I eat does anyway as I'm still breastfeeding him), out of pure relief that he's showing some interest in food :-s this has included biscuits etc (though not Millie's cookies - haven't had anything so yummy since we discovered ds's food intolerances!)

But as the op says we all have our bugbears and I'm sure I've been equally judgy when out and about :-)

Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 20:55:13

Love it how santasstrapon is posted next to SMP. A beautiful union of posts... Could revise name to SMBiscuit?

PuffPants Tue 27-Nov-12 20:56:07

YABU for wanting to step in. But YANBU to hold your views. I felt and still feel exactly the same way. I knew you'd get flamed for saying it though.

By the way, whoever said upthread that the best way to turn an adult into a sugar addict is to limit sugar intake as a child - you are wrong. I had all sorts as a child, nothing denied, puddings, chocolate, the lot. As a grown woman I am definitely a sugar addict and I feel sure the seeds are sown in childhood.

SamSmalaidh Tue 27-Nov-12 21:03:51

Of course there is sugar in Plum yoghurts! Read the nutritional information - Petit Filous is 12g sugar per 100g, Plum is 9g per 100g. Not enough of a difference is feel smug about grin

Cbh1978 Tue 27-Nov-12 21:07:53

Think fruit sugars are somehow different, but as said above, not a dietician. Impressive research though Sam! The flames are gently warming on this chilly night puffpants. :-)

FeckOffCup Tue 27-Nov-12 22:30:19

I would love to see you stomping over and trying to remove a treat from my DD in her buggy, you would be lucky to have fingers left at the end of it grin.

Not that I was giving her huge cookies at 6 months old, but now at almost 2 I sometimes resort to chocolate buttons to bribe her to sit in the buggy for shopping trips, everything in moderation eh, I don't think a bit of sugar sometimes is harmful to an active child.

usualsuspect3 Tue 27-Nov-12 22:33:18

Oh gawd, the full moon brings them all out on here.

JellicleCat Tue 27-Nov-12 23:27:55

Oh God how times change. When my dd was 6 months she loved pink wafer biscuits - sugar and artificial colours - yum! And she had Petit Filous.

On the other hand this is the child who aged 3 announced in a loud voice in the supermarket as I browsed the veg "oh, cabbage, yum, yum".

Mind you I would have scoffed the cookie far too good for a baby.

SoleSource Tue 27-Nov-12 23:33:51

I weaned my precious one on Mars Bars.

Judgemental, much?!?

IneedAgoldenNickname Tue 27-Nov-12 23:38:02

Are Millie's cookies worse than Gregg's sausage rolls?

ceeveebee Tue 27-Nov-12 23:40:22

I used to eat farleys rusks, aren't they about 98% sugar or something? Don't have a sweet tooth now at all.

I have a stash of home-baked millie-style cookies in my kitchen right now. Scuse me a minute...

SantasStrapOn Tue 27-Nov-12 23:47:14

Hate to tell you, but fruit sugars are still sugars, as is honey. They're all every bit as good bad as each other.

FromEsme Tue 27-Nov-12 23:53:52

I'd say there is a difference with fruit sugars - yes, the sugars themselves are bad for you, but fruit also has vitamins and minerals, not just empty calories as in a biscuit.

Not that I give a shite, like. Just sayin.

SamSmalaidh Tue 27-Nov-12 23:55:04

Fruit is good for you, but fructose isn't packed full of vitamins.

SantasStrapOn Tue 27-Nov-12 23:59:12

True, I'd rather give a yoghurt than a biscuit.

"I have a stash of home-baked millie-style cookies in my kitchen right now"

Can I come over? <puppy dog eyes>

MadBanners Wed 28-Nov-12 00:07:00

Ds was 7 months old when i caught him licking a slug! Was organic I suppose! Would have preferred a giant head size biscuit, and he does have a rather large head!

I would have judged purely for wasting a perfectly good giant cookie on a 6 months old who was more likely to end up sitting on it or dropping it when I could have eaten it instead.

Ginandtonicandamassageplease Wed 28-Nov-12 00:17:55

As long as the child didn't wash it down with a Red Bull I'm sure it's just fine ... (Am actually a bit shocked at 6 month old having head sized Millie's cookie though)

blackeyedsusan Wed 28-Nov-12 00:27:43

yuk, yuk, yuk,,,,


I am a little sensitive about sugar and fat to children at the moment though... had a bit of a scare about arterial plaques and fat in the brain after dad had a stroke.

Fakebook Wed 28-Nov-12 00:35:15

Why don't you ask Father Christmas for a life this year? Because you obviously don't have one.

Stomping over my arse.

Icelollycraving Wed 28-Nov-12 01:42:10

My dsis was completely ott about my niece eating sugar. Guess which kid is always the first to dive into the cakes at parties? I know dh gives ds stuff I wouldn't but I pick my battles.

I have never heard of Millies.

Cookies the size if a baby's head, you say?

::goes searching::

Dammit. Not in NI.

Oh ffs. It was a cookie, not cyanide.

Cbh1978 Wed 28-Nov-12 10:08:50

Love it how people seem to feel even more passionate about my thread than I felt about the incident itself. Mind you, hooked a tiny piece of broken glass from son's bottom lip this morning. Obviously didn't hand it to him per biscuit incident, but as said above, am hardly infallible. Guess partner missed a bit from kitchen floor when a glass smashed last week. Like the slug story. I used to eat dead flies from windowsills. And Farleys rusks (not at the same time and not off windowsills). Don't have a sweet tooth either. :-)

JesusInTheCabbageVan Wed 28-Nov-12 19:18:30

grin Cbh1978.

Fakebook - any call for that? Really? I mean, I don't agree with the OP, but I'd show that in the form of gentle piss-taking rather than downright nastiness.

Cbh1978 Wed 28-Nov-12 21:51:17

Thanks Jesus.

Licking wounds... :-)

Quite new to all this. This is my first thread. There are some scary tigers on here!

<clutches pearls> Will nobody think of the goats biscuits? grin

OO and I just noticed your name Cbh and will never be able to get "Can't Be Harsed" out of my head grin sorry grin
Namechange could be your friend or mine! here grin

JesusInTheCabbageVan Fri 30-Nov-12 18:45:13

First thread! Baptism of fire then. Don't worry; in no time at all you'll get an opportunity to pile in and help give someone else a kicking. Probably someone who starts a thread to say that they don't see any harm in giving babies head-sized cookies. That's how it works on here wink

Cbh1978 Fri 30-Nov-12 21:54:09

Thanks Jesus. Was feeling it wasn't really for me after PomBear's comment about my initials. As for some other comments...Not the best welcome, but you have been friendlier, thank you. :-) Am very able to laugh at self, deal with the 'get a life' comments etc. but was bugged by the attack on my initials for some reason! Don't worry, won't start a whole AIBU thread about it... Today was near the same place and saw a kid of approx 18mths with a large frapuccino. Not sure I can spell frapuccino...

witchface Fri 30-Nov-12 22:06:57

One day my daughter had pom bears, a greggs sausage roll and a fruit shoot.

I had to hold myself back from posting on mumsnet about myself (although only the pombears were from me).

CaptainVonTrapp Fri 30-Nov-12 22:14:31

Cbh can't be bothered to make sugar free bread? You lazy bitch...

Wow some people on here need to go and pour themselves an extra glass of wine tonight...

shellshock7 Fri 30-Nov-12 22:18:52

What's wrong with petit filous?!

Honest question!

RandallPinkFloyd Fri 30-Nov-12 22:26:37

Oh don't worry about it op we've all had our arses handed to us at least once.

Yes, you may have sounded like a bit of an arse but I don't think anyone will be getting the pitchforks out anytime soon. grin

FWIW I'm quite pfb about DS's but a poster on a thread the other day said that breadsticks were strictly a treat food only!

Seriously, I was sorely tempted to ask what she considered mundane food grin

(I am loving the be-tamoshanta'd smilies!)

RandallPinkFloyd Fri 30-Nov-12 22:29:11

*I'm quite pfb about DS's diet. angry

(excellent excuse for another of the wee scottish grins though!)

Cbh1978 Fri 30-Nov-12 23:40:12

Shellshock, it is the refined sugar content. Like adding a couple of teaspoons of sugar to each pot. Or something. Anyway, we just choose to stick to the olum/rachel's yoghurts that are more expensive (grrrr) but contain only the natural sugars in the fruit that is used to flavour them. They are not as sweet at all if you taste one, but DS still gets overly excited with much leg waggling when the fridge door is opened to get one out.

Cbh1978 Fri 30-Nov-12 23:40:43

ps Love petit filous for myself! :-)

Cbh1978 Sat 01-Dec-12 09:58:52

Thinking about it, one poster said it was 12g of sugar per 100g so probably about one teaspoon in each, not two (before Nestle tries to sue me!)...

Jins Sat 01-Dec-12 10:28:30

Refined sugar or fruit sugar - it's all sugar! Fructose is a marginally more complicated molecule than sucrose but it's all treated the same way by the digestive system.

I think if something doesn't taste as sweet it's probably better though. You definitely get used to high levels of sweetness, I could never have drunk coffee without sugar a few years ago but now I can't drink it with sugar in.

I'm in the camp that while a bit of sugar does no harm there is far too much sugar added to everyday things. I'd rather have sugar in the form of biscuits, sweets etc when it's a conscious decision than hoovering it up in pasta sauces or other foods when it's disguised by added salt

Cbh1978 Sun 02-Dec-12 15:35:31

Agree on all counts Jins. :-) Somehow, that is unnecessary sugar, whereas it would be a tad tricky to extract the fructose from a peach. :-/ And as said above, would rather give real sugar than sweeteners any day.
My mum weaned us off sugar in our tea when I was about six and now can't stand it in tea. I don't have a particularly sweet tooth but am old enough to make choices etc.

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