DD1 (11 YO) watched a 15 rated horror film at their Halloween party.

(66 Posts)
AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:13:49

She said after the party had ended how they'd all watched the film The Hole. It was a party for only those in her house and she was with other people her own age, but because the form she's in is 'vertically stacked' (is that what they call it?) there are children from her age up to school leaving age (which is a great way of doing it I reckon).

I thought she'd said this film was a 12 rated, but it's on Film four in half an hour and it's rated a 15!

I'm a bit of a horror fan but haven't seen it before. She said it really freaked them out and some (who I know are only 11/12) couldn't watch and were turning away, but obviously didn't want to not watch because everyone else was).

She's been watching 12s for a while now, but only ones I've watched and know are OK, she's seen one or two 15s, but again, only one's I know won't give her sleepless nights.

AIBU to wonder WTF the school was thinking taking the decision away from me? It's a bit late to do anything now, but if they think a 15's OK, why not an 18 next? Maybe fuck their heads with The Ring, or 28 Days Later? Why not?

SavoyCabbage Sun 25-Nov-12 01:15:44

Do you mean she watched it at school?

VestaCurry Sun 25-Nov-12 01:17:32

Crikey, that's a long party too? It sounds like a strange place (the school)? I would be v v unhappy (15) films are the 18 films of a few years ago

VestaCurry Sun 25-Nov-12 01:20:24

Sorry if it's ia boarding school I sound thick grin! School are needing to be the parent in that situation so shouldn't be letting 11 yr olds watch this shit. I'd be steaming angry.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:20:28

The party was from 6 - 10pm, and yes, the party was in the school building, thrown by the teachers.

It was a school Halloween party.

(She went dressed as Jane from Twilight, and looked fantastic grin)

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:22:17

Not boarding Vesta.

frantic51 Sun 25-Nov-12 01:22:19

I think I'd react in much the same way as you. I suppose you mean her boarding house is stacked? At my DC's boarding school, years 7-9 were in junior boarding houses and the senior houses were years 10-13 so we never had this kind of problem. Why do some people not realise that films are given age ratings for a reason?! confused

frantic51 Sun 25-Nov-12 01:23:22

Oh, sorry! Not a boarding house then. Still weird though!

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:26:12

Is it the house thing which is making you think it's boarding? I went to the local comp and we had three houses we were assigned to in the first year.

The house I was in was the shittest of the lot - naturally grin

EuroShopperEnergyDrink Sun 25-Nov-12 01:27:12

I saw the hole. Are you sure it's a 15? It was a kiddy horror film. I don't know any 11 year olds who would be disturbed by it..

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:27:55

The film's just started. I'm glad I saw it was the one she was talking about so I can watch it through her eyes.

joanofarchitrave Sun 25-Nov-12 01:29:21

Sticking to age certificates on films is one of my things - I would be ready to throttle someone about this. Especially at age 11 when IMO a lot of kids become highly aware of external threats and more likely to be able to take in just how scary a film like this might be.

I would make a written complaint initially and ask for a meeting with the head teacher. Their decision-making process needs overhauling.

What amazes me is that we live in a time when there are more films appropriate for children than you could watch in a lifetime and as much information about exactly what they contain as you could ever need. It is stupid and unnecessary to do this kind of thing.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:30:09

Yup, it's a 15 Euro.

frantic51 Sun 25-Nov-12 01:33:23

No, not at all. I went to a grammar school which didn't have boarding facilities and we had a house system too. I guess it was the party and film afterwards. We never had such things! grin

3mily Sun 25-Nov-12 01:34:07

There are two holes, one is a 15 and there is the more recent hole rated a 12a. Are you sure it is the right hole?

Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 01:34:53

Is that the one with Thora Birch in it? There is another of the same name that I haven't seen but if it's the one that I have then I would not think it appropriate to show to 11 year-olds. Quite apart from the 'horror' aspect, which I think would be genuinely disturbing for younger viewers, it also features plenty of shots of 'older teen' behaviour - snogging, groping, flashing etc.

3mily Sun 25-Nov-12 01:35:39
AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:35:54

I take the ratings as just guidelines Joan, and don't mind a bit under the age. It's not always about the swearing or violence either, I just looked up The Others and was surprised to see it's a 12, there's no way I'd let her see that shock freaky, creepy dead people <shudder>

Maybe it's because the forms/houses are mixed ages and they over catered for the older children?

VestaCurry Sun 25-Nov-12 01:36:14

As a school they should be sticking to the cert, end of. Ok, I take MY 10 yr old to a 12A but I'm his parent. Not the school's decision to override certificate ratings. Grrrrrrrr and you won't be the only pissed off parent so that'll teach em grin.

An familiar with the whole House thing in secondary, just got confused with 'laddering' , haven't heard that bit of terminology yet from ds in Y7 grin.

frantic51 Sun 25-Nov-12 01:36:19

Just put it on to watch. Is that Ikea Knightley?

There's is a film called Holes that is a kids film, it's kind of an adventure mystery and its s PG. Was it maybe that she saw?

VestaCurry Sun 25-Nov-12 01:37:52

.....ooooohhhh The Others is one of the scariests films ever. Just shows you don't need all this hundreds of pins in the face shit to engender fear

VestaCurry Sun 25-Nov-12 01:38:28

Ikea Knightley grin

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:39:27

You mean I might have got all frothy over nowt 3mily??

Ah well, fit in well to AIBU then grin

Tbh the both look like the storyline she told us, both of them being about holes like grin

StuntGirl Sun 25-Nov-12 01:42:00

I was gonna say there are 2 Hole films...make sure you have the right one before going into the school all judgy grin

(But if they did show the 15 rated one judge away!)

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:42:53

grin at Ikea Knightly as well, she's not my favourite wooden actor that'd be Keanu Reeves grin.

We watched Hellraiser the other night Vesta, still scary as shit, and still eww at him ripping his hand on that nail.

3mily Sun 25-Nov-12 01:53:39


Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 01:54:51

The Others always makes me cry. It certainly has its creepy moments but most of all I just think it's terribly sad.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:56:47

It genuinely shocked me when I saw the end for the first time Wallison, I just didn't see it coming at all - which is always the sign of a good film (so long as it's not so cagy you can't fathom out WTF's going on)

EuroShopperEnergyDrink Sun 25-Nov-12 01:58:41

What 'The Hole' was it, OP?

Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 02:00:27

Yes, it caught me out as well - I wasn't even remotely expecting it and I agree that's the sign of a good film, especially as it could have easily just been a mish-mash of creepy stuff, but somehow it held my attention right up to the end.

Elderflowergranita Sun 25-Nov-12 02:06:52

Will bet the farm it's 'Holes', an amazing chidrens' book on the school curriculum here in Ireland, where they watch the movie of the same name in class.

Perhaps check the facts? Louis Sacher is the author.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 02:10:23

It's always the normal/but not normal things in horrors that keep me thinking about them, the video in The Ring, the lad standing facing the corner at the end of Blair Witch, members of the coven walking slowly towards the dad in Paranormal 3.

It's those things I try to avoid thinking about when I've got to walk across the landing in the dark after turning the light out.

And of course end up thinking about them grin (classic ironic processing story of my life grin)

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 02:11:22

It was definitely one of the two horrors already mentioned Elder, not a PG children's film.

rhondajean Sun 25-Nov-12 02:14:21

I wouldn't let my almost 13 year old watch it and. Would throw a total wobbler if the school did.

Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 02:15:22

Ooh yes. Stuff that is just creepy even though it doesn't involve anything conventionally creepy. Weird stuff, that's just enough askew from real life for you to know that something really evil in the true sense is going on. Stuff that gets your brain ticking and imagining much worse than any film-maker could ever show you. Like the utterly terrifying old BBC adaptation of Oh Whistle And I'll Come To You which if you describe it sounds very tame indeed but when you watch it ... oh my.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 02:17:19

I may have been a bit previous in my outrage rhonda grin

But thanks for the support, even if it might just be hypothetical.

rhondajean Sun 25-Nov-12 02:19:54

I'm trying to catch the pervious and thing it's around you having the correct film yes?

If its the thora hird film, it is totally inappropriate. I'll support you to the hilt. I'd have a hairy fit.

And I let mines watch censored south park, family guy and 15 films.

Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 02:25:57

Yep, the Thora Hird film is definitely not a film for 11 year-olds.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 02:25:59

grin at the hairy fit.

Does that involve truckers at all?

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 02:28:13

I'm exactly the same Wallison, always have been.

And DD is as well.

Overactive imagination.

rhondajean Sun 25-Nov-12 02:30:12

The door was locked, I remember that much.

And school bullying.

I have hiccups sad

Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 02:33:03

Makes for an interesting life though, eh, AgentZigzag? Mind, I could have done without scaring myself rigid for quite a long time by looking at an otherwise innocuous Bucks Fizz poster that was on my bedroom wall - there was a little bit on it - think it was a design on one of their jackets - that when the light from the hallway half-hit it looked demonic. And of course I didn't take the bloody thing down because even at that tender age I liked being scared. By Bucks bloody Fizz.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 02:55:00

I wouldn't have a hot water bottle when I was little because I thought it'd set the bed on fire.

I've noticed you can break just about any horror down into basically being about isolation, geographically or psychologically, it's what puts the shitters up people the most.

Maybe because we're social animals?

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 02:55:46

Yes, interesting as in 'interesting' Wallison grin

Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 03:01:52

Yy to isolation. And maybe the reason that we are social animals is because there's this primal fear of what's out there, in the dark.

One programme I watched about horror films said that in the slasher movies quite often they will call for their friends for eg when they're walking through the spooky house, but their friends don't hear them or (more often) are already dead. Then they shout for their parents, and of course their parents won't come. Then they say 'Oh my God' etc, and God doesn't come either.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 03:09:56

My mum used to play a 'game' (which I now recognise as her testing what we thought of her) when we were little, and when we shouted her after getting in the door from school, she wouldn't answer.

She said she used to find it interesting listening to the rising panic in our voices 'Mum. Mum. Mummy? MUUUMMMYY?', laughing and stuff when she was telling us about it when we were older hmm

Yeah, hilarious.

(how much are your therapy rates before I say anything else Walli? grin)

Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 03:21:26

Oh you poor things!

frantic51 Sun 25-Nov-12 03:23:55

Well, I hope it wasn't the film I just watched. I wouldn't have wanted any of mine to watch that at age 11!

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 03:29:39

There were definitely what Sky would term 'mature themes' weren't there frantic?

I'll ask DD which one it was tomorrow.

Alisvolatpropiis Sun 25-Nov-12 03:44:56

Was it the film with Kiera Knightley or the adapto

Alisvolatpropiis Sun 25-Nov-12 03:45:30

*adaptation of the book?

Fairylea Sun 25-Nov-12 06:33:20

When the hole came out at the cinema it was a 12a. I know this because I took my then 9 year old to see it as she loves creepy films and I didn't think it would be that bad... she loved it!

I don't think it will do an 11 yr old any harm unless they are very sensitive to that sort of thing. .. it is definitely a kids film in my opinion. I'm surprised they've made it a 15 on DVD.

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Fairylea Sun 25-Nov-12 06:44:27

Ahhh yes that is true. I'm thinking of the recent kids one. The thora birch one is very scary !

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catstail Sun 25-Nov-12 08:45:18

Its up to you what your children watch at home, but it is completely unacceptable for a school to allow children to watch material rated above their age without parental consent.

Even if you watch the film and dont mind it, I think you should take the trouble to make a formal complaint to the school. It may well be okay for your child but another child this year or next year could be scarred for life by an over aged horror film (and their parents might not even know). I have seen MNers who have had this experience.

School have a duty of care to the children and allowing them to watch over aged material is an abuse of this.

frantic51 Sun 25-Nov-12 10:47:25

ThatBastardSanta "Thora Hird", that actually made me LOL, seriously! grin

frantic51 Sun 25-Nov-12 11:16:23

It has just been brought to my attention that, "LOLLING" is strictly against MN talk guidelines so please accept my unreserved apologies! blush

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Wallison Sun 25-Nov-12 14:06:52

You weren't the first - we were talking about Thora Hird last night as well. I got it right the first time I said it, but not the second. blush

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Mintyy Sun 25-Nov-12 14:59:02

Sorry to hijack but I know someone who allowed her son and his friends to watch 18 cert horror film at his 11th birthday. If my child had been at that party I would have been incandescent with rage.

SchmancyPants Sun 25-Nov-12 15:04:22

The hole is a 12 if it is the more recent one about a hole in the basement of a house. I'm sure it was that one they watched- I show it at school sometimes at the end of term to year 8 and above.

AgentZigzag Sun 25-Nov-12 20:55:47

DD said it was the 12 rated one with a hole rather than the bunker smile

Corruption of PFB has been averted...for now grin

But thanks for the chat/therapy (Walli) regardless.

The 15 rated one wasn't the best I've seen, but it did make me wonder what I'd do if I knew someone was capable of killing people and had threatened me. If you grassed them up you're risking them doing you in/have to go into witness protection (serious bummer), but if you don't they'd kill other people/get away with murder.

(and no I'm not weighing up the odds of someone knowing I'm a serial killer because nobody knows )

Wallison Tue 27-Nov-12 09:35:10

Phew, glad to hear it.

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