To think that Tescos mission is to put all small business' out of business

(65 Posts)
notnagging Sat 24-Nov-12 11:11:14

Got an email from tescos today stating that they are now delivering organic boxes. Another of their ideas with prices that no-one will be able to compete with. They have closed down our local garage because they wanted to build another Tesco metro( the third one within walking distance) even though they did not get the locals support they don't seem to care.They make billions & just seem to be on a mission to take over the high street regardless of customers needs.

CailinDana Sat 24-Nov-12 11:16:10

If they didn't make money they wouldn't be able to do this. They are successful because they give people what they want - cheap food etc. Getting sentimental about business strikes me as very weird - it's a competitive exercise and the one most able to compete will win. A business won't stay open if it can't compete and if it can't compete it means it's lacking in some way (too expensive, not the right stock etc). Independent businesses tend to do well in affluent areas, but in areas where low prices are needed big chains do well. It's a fact of life, and not worth getting in a lather about it. If you'd prefer to live in a communist society there are a few in the world, but they're no known to be much better.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 11:16:56

Their mission is to make money.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 11:17:12

The same as the mission of all businesses.

IvanaHumpalotCountDracula Sat 24-Nov-12 11:18:16

Ahhh - they're just providing 'choice' to the customer ;-)

"Every little helps" - their profits...

CailinDana Sat 24-Nov-12 11:19:34

Yes of course Ivana - that's what they're bloody there for! They're not a charitable organisation, no shop is. I just don't get what your point is.

notnagging Sat 24-Nov-12 11:20:22

I do get upset about unethical companies that drive other people out of business. Many farmers lose money by selling to tescos but have no choice because they are so big. They are the only supermarket that refused to go Aspartame free in their own brand products or sign up to the govt traffic light guidelines. They don't seem to care.

mrskeithrichards Sat 24-Nov-12 11:20:50

I want veg delivered but not arsed about it being organic.

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:21:32

yes they have an evil mission to take over the UK, that is why their colours are red white and blue, and their 'Value' range is essentially the 'Victory' mark from Orwell's novel 1984.

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:22:42

anyway all of the supermarkets are driving the farmers out of business not just tesco.

mrskeithrichards Sat 24-Nov-12 11:23:20

The value range isn't blue anymore!

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:25:10

damn so much for that theory then - I live in one of the very few towns in the UK without a Tesco! Of course they are plotting to move in....

RooneyMara Sat 24-Nov-12 11:26:00

I'm not affluent, but I bloody hate Tesco. They might be cheap but they are awful.
And I agree with OP that it's not just about who is cheapest, or it shouldn't be.

They're cheap because they are huge, I think, now rather than being huge because they are cheap or better at anything.

I've had food poisoning from their food, a few times, bought things that I then find are already out of date, been refused a refund after a long journey despite being told on the phone the store would do it (got it in the end - plus compensation) - they just don't give a sh*t. They really don't.

I actually hesitate to go in there any more despite it being so convenient. I think it's a greedy bastard shop.

RooneyMara Sat 24-Nov-12 11:28:23

Oh and if something/someone is much bigger than everyone else, of course they're able to bully people into doing exactly what they demand.

It's not rocket science. They are exploiting their own weight/scale to their advantage and everyone else's disadvantage and that's why we have the monopolies laws. Except I'm not sure if these are working...

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:29:58

totally agree RooneyMara, cheap and nasty.
The big Tescos where i used to live used to make me feel psychotic, and I wasn't alone!

I'm always bewildered when people are surprised that businesses want to expand and increase profits. If people didn't shop in Tesco they wouldn't have the money to expand. If people cared so much about supporting their local shops, garages etc. they would continue to use them regardless of what Tesco do. Tesco have planning precision to build a small supermarket in my village and I'll probably use it. Why? Because they won't close at 5.30 (1 on wednesday), they'l open on sundays, I won't be served by someone talking on their mobile and eating lunch at the same time, I won't have to wait to be served because the assistant is outside having a fag. There are some local shops that will survive because they're very good, the ones who suffer will go because they won't change to meet customers' needs.

RooneyMara Sat 24-Nov-12 11:31:18

Not won't change. Can't change.

MASSIVE difference.

LadyMaryChristmas Sat 24-Nov-12 11:32:32

You don't have to buy things from Twatsco. confused Ocado sell organic veg boxes, I still buy mine elsewhere (not Twatsco).

AtiaoftheJulii Sat 24-Nov-12 11:33:27

Obviously they are a business and want to make money - but so are the other supermarkets, and they aren't spreading as virulently as Tesco. There are 13 Tesco in my town, far far FAR more than any other supermarkets. There are already 3 I can walk to in ten minutes, and another is about to be built, almost literally on my doorstep. The other supermarkets don't seem to be as cynically obsessed with trying to get every last penny spent in this country.

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:33:43

the only shops that will survive will be specialist shops eg halal butchers, the rest will not be able to compete. Although englishgirl does have a point about opening hours and customer service.

notnagging Sat 24-Nov-12 11:34:45

The monopolies are not working. They ask for permission, it is refused but they they persist against local residents wishes. They employ 1/4 Million people which makes it very hard to say no.

notnagging Sat 24-Nov-12 11:35:38

Goralka they do sell halal meat. Not own brand yet but I'm sure it's getting there.

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:36:55

really??? well....they have it sewn up then.

notnagging Sat 24-Nov-12 11:37:53

Englishgirl our local garage was doing well but the land was owned by the council. Tesco decided they wanted that spot and that was that. They do not necessarily look for empty, unused sites.

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:40:13

they do seem to be able to ride roughshod over existing businesses and planning laws. for example the Tesco express at Palmeira Square in Hove was setup in a listed building with the condition they kept the old window frames as they were, well of course they just ripped them out and that was that.

RooneyMara Sat 24-Nov-12 11:42:14

they can do what they like. I don't understand the ins and outs of it but it happens and it's wrong.

No not all can't change, some won't. Why do half of the shops in my village have half day closing on a wednesday? I was walking doen my high street on friday morning and someone was standing outside the card shop looking at their watch saying 'well the sign says 10am', it was 10.20 and they were closed. A card shop, near christmas. This is very common in my village. My friend owns the electrical shop, he opens it when he gets up and if he's having a night out he closes early.

I don't particuarly like Tesco, but they do meet the needs of busy customers. I think its a real shame because we do have some great shops but if they won't adapt they'll die.

youngermother1 Sat 24-Nov-12 11:45:04

If people stopped shopping there, they would close the shops. Every time this comes up, people say no locals wanted the store, but they then use it. boycott them and they will go away (unless, of course, people like the convenience, service, range, long opening hours etc)

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 11:45:47

I honestly thought early closing day was a thing of the past - where on earth do you live englishgirl?

MrsHoarder Sat 24-Nov-12 11:46:00

Their aim is to collect as many of the retail pounds spent as possible. Small businesses are just collateral damage.

CookingFunt Sat 24-Nov-12 11:55:57

I live in a commuter town and we suffered a lot of rapid unemployment for the last few years. People were really struggling and I'm sure those without transport were balking at the high prices in the local independent shops. Tesco opening here last year I'm sure has been a relief for many,not just for prices but also employment.

goralks it is in most of the world. I live in a former mining town in the East Midlands.

I agree they shouldn't be able to get some of the planning permission that they do but thats down to local councils. Where I live its going into an industrial area that hasn't been used in about 15 years. It would have heen preferrable for another use to have been found for the site hut it wasn't, and a Tesco is preferrable to the broken windows and rat infestation currently sitting in the middle if the village.

I suppose what I'm saying in a round about way is that while I would like my village to be populated by independent shops, if they are all closed when people are coming home from work they can't be surprised that people will shop elsewhere. Interestingly we have one grocety store which is thriving and has recently expanded. They open 7-10, keep prices competitive and are well staffed. I know the owner and he isn't too worried about Tesco because he knows that his business is geared up to compete. Likewise the butcher who still sends a van out to do deliveries (large OAP population).

spoonsspoonsspoons Sat 24-Nov-12 12:03:12

I was just about to post that we also have early closing on Wednesday's still, I'm also in an East Midlands former mining town.

FrillyMilly Sat 24-Nov-12 12:04:46

It is annoying that Tesco seem to be everywhere but the fact is people shop there so they aren't going anywhere. They aren't particularly cheap though. If I did a weekly shop at Tesco it woul cost me three times as much as when I do it elsewhere.

grin it came as a shock when I moved back here after living in Birmingham for years.

annabeldp Sat 24-Nov-12 12:06:01

I personally haven't been in a Tesco in 7 years - I decided there was no point just whinging about them, if I didn't like it I just shouldn't go there. I cannot stand how many of there are - 6 within a mile or so of me, with another 2 due to open soon. They're not even that cheap!

I have also been affected as family own a garage which has just had a Tesco express open very close to (Tesco already has 2 superstores and 3/4 expresses within 2 miles). Neither shop is doing well now as there just isn;t the customer base. But Tesco will never close a store.

They certainly are out to make money, but at the moment they seem to be a bit lost so I'm not sure they're even doing the best for their shareholders at present.

SirSugar Sat 24-Nov-12 12:07:54
Fourandstillcounting Sat 24-Nov-12 12:20:38

YANBU. Tesco use a small design /print place near their head office, and they haven't settled their bill in over a YEAR. The cash-flow of the small company is about to finally break and Tesco's response? Grind them down further on price. The company can't refuse further credit be ause they're so far into them in the first place they're terrified to upset them. It's likely they'll fold - 20 people will be out of a job, and tesco will take their business elsewhere, having not paid.

Utter bastards.

skaen Sat 24-Nov-12 12:27:43

I dislike Tesco. I've seen a lot about how they get planning permission- they effectively tell the Council that if they don't approve it they will go to appeal. They have very expensive barristers, solicitors and planning consultants who work for them a lot. The local council will have to spend close to £1 million to oppose it and will probably lose because of the resources Tesco has. When they lose in a town, they immediately start again.

All the supermarket chains are ruthless but Tescos is worst.

Sallyingforth Sat 24-Nov-12 12:37:44

Why do half of the shops in my village have half day closing on a wednesday?

So that the owners can go shopping in the supermarket!
(that's not a joke, it's what happens)

RedHelenB Sat 24-Nov-12 12:45:18

Fourandstillcounting - the shop should start legal proceedings not lower the price!!!

EndoplasmicReticulum Sat 24-Nov-12 12:55:29

Tesco paid our council £1.5 million to put the planning through. It worked.

Sallyingforth Sat 24-Nov-12 13:05:01

Tesco are building a big new supermarket in Streatham, London. They made promises to push the development through against local opposition. When they started to build they broke the promises and the council were powerless to do anything about it. It looks as if they never intended to do what they promised. From what I have read this is the way they usually operate.

DontmindifIdo Sat 24-Nov-12 13:08:37

yep, I buy meat from a local butcher because the quality is so much better, but for everything else it's Tescos or Sainsburys (or Waitrose if I'm close to them). Even then with the butcher, we were just discussing dinner, we fancy ribs, the ribs from the butcher would be better quality than Sainburys or Tescos, but it's after 1pm, so they'll be shut.

I can put DS down for the night (assuming DH is in!) I can then do my shopping as both Tescos and Sainburys are 24 hour round here. I can get stuff delivered from both as well.

Local shops need to either be easy to pop too without the car (the little mini-market next to the station does a roaring trade, even though the prices are very high compared to tescos and the quality of the veg isn't anywhere near as good, but if you're walking past anyway, it's just easy, and they open late) or they need to be 'artisan' - so the butchers near us competes on quality and experience. Local shops that sell a small range of poor quality foods at prices higher than the supermarket won't survive, but that's not tescos fault, that's the consumer's fault.

Plomino Sat 24-Nov-12 13:18:10

I loathe Tesco's . Loathe them with a passion .

I live in the midst of the fens , which supplies all the major supermarkets with potatoes , carrots , peas, you name it , we grow it . Agriculture is our biggest industry by miles . So I admit I am very fortunate indeed, because I get my carrots , and most veg from our local farmers , who sell direct ( trailer load of carrots for a fiver anyone ? ! )

But they're not the ones who sell to major supermarkets, because they're not allowed. Last year I had a conversation with a woman working on a green grocers stall . Her husband grows soft fruit and had a contract with Tesco's to supply strawberries . He grew last years crop, and because of the weather last year , the strawberries came up slightly smaller than usual . Taste was fine. Tesco's turned the lot down and didn't pay him. But because of the clause in his contract which prevents him from selling it elsewhere , even at the gate , he couldn't do anything with it . He can't even give it away , not to schools, charity, prisons, hospitals . Can't sell it to another supermarket , can't sell it at farmers markets . 150 tonnes of strawberries he destroyed last year .For NOTHING.

They came back this year and asked him to supply them again. He told them to poke it and has started selling directly via other outlets . And people wonder why they have Spanish strawberries being sold in stores in June .

Tesco's like to think they have everyone over a barrel . Suppliers , staff , councils , customers . Well not me they don't . And judging by how much money they lost in our local Tesco's when they revamped Morrisons and reopened it , not many of our locals love them either.

notnagging Sat 24-Nov-12 13:29:39

That is really shocking plomino but unfortunately not surprising. My dad worked in tescos after he retired early for nearly 20yrs. He was 3 months short to keep his discount card & they refused. He went on holiday & they told him his job was no longer available. He tried to fight it but is in his 70s and has given up. They don't care how they treat anyone.

PackItInNow Sat 24-Nov-12 13:57:47

Tesco only think they have everyone over a barrel, what they don't seem to grasp is that people can say NO!!!! After all NO is a complete sentence and if many people said no to Tesco, then they'd have to eventually fight to get the customers back again.

I used to get my meat from Tesco, but I stopped and I am willing to travel 7 mile on the bus to get my meat from my favourite butcher. I would rather spend £60-70 on good quality meat (that's before I spend on the groceries) than the rubbish that I used to get from the supermarket.

I emailed Tesco and told them straight that I wouldn't be buying their meat beause it was rubbish. I told my friend about it and she has also stopped going to Tesco for her meat (the butcher I use has an on-the-farm shop and a high street shop). My friend has also persuaded a good lot of her friends about the farm shop and they have also decided to get their meat from the butcher. My friend has Sainsburys across the road from her house so she shops there. Tesco is our nearest supermarket, but I spend very little there in the way of groceries there as we get a good lot of our fruit and veg from the wednesday market in our town.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 14:05:44

Tesco used to be a small business. They became a big business by being good at what they do.

Plomino Sat 24-Nov-12 14:13:18

True . Screwing people over .

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Sat 24-Nov-12 14:16:35

YANBU. I'd add other supermarkets want to do the same. In the area of SE London where I study, a 2nd Sainsburys has opened within 400 metres of another one. Plans for a 3rd are on the cards.

In my small town we have a Sainsburys, and Coop are opening. Asda and Tescos are planning to open, and the Sainsburys store size will double. It is going to absolutely kill the small amount of shops that we do have - apart from betting shops, charity shops and pawn shops...

Tanith Sat 24-Nov-12 14:27:33

Cheap food means more than most people think. It means suppliers screwed and 3rd world countries exploited. It means rivals and suppliers ruthlessly put out of business.
In the long term, it does not mean cheaper food or employment opportunities.

If you want to read about the story behind the supermarkets, try "Shopped" by Joanna Blythman.

To paraphase from her book, "more money in your pocket, but who put it there and what did it cost them?"

I found the chapter on suppliers from developing countries particularly shocking.

amicissimma Sat 24-Nov-12 15:29:35

Let's get the government to shut Tesco down.

The approx 300,000 people who would lose their jobs can suck it up. The hundreds of thousands of people who are very happy to shop there can suck it up.

There's no guarantee an expensive shop isn't exploiting its suppliers.

Plomino Sat 24-Nov-12 15:39:14

Or how about we get the government to make EVERY major supermarket to treat its suppliers and the towns they invade , with a modicum of respect? No one says they shouldn't exist , it's the fact they exist to the complete detriment of everything else .

FestiveDigestive Sat 24-Nov-12 15:46:33

EnglishGirl - I totally agree about the local shops. We have a Tesco being planned nearby and I have been harassed by wild-eyed anti-Tesco protestors who keep knocking at the door and asking me to sign the petition/go on a march/display a poster.

When I explain that I don't actually MIND about the Tesco store (I'm too scared to admit that I am looking forward to it blush ) they start lecturing me about the small local shopping area nearby and how it will be affected.

That will be the chemist where it costs almost £4 for a packet of baby wipes, the butchers where I got food poisoning and there has recently been a large health & safety fine, the cafe that is never open at weekends or at any time you might want to use it, the green grocers that sells potatos so old that they are growing eyes, the Spar shop where I am stunned by the price of a tin of tomatoes and the assistants are all chatting to each other instead of serving...

If these places had reasonable prices & good service then they wouldn't have to worry. I have started hiding when I see the protestors, wishing the Tesco was here already & secretly hoping there is a cafe area in the new one and that they will sell ready cooked chickens. grin

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 24-Nov-12 15:58:06

YANBU. At all.

Where I live there are 2 small tescos within a mile of each other. Both within easy walking distance for me obviously. One stocks better food and variety than the other because it has a wealthier clientele. Seriously.

Startail Sat 24-Nov-12 15:59:53

I like Tesco's they may be unethical,no truly competative company is.
Their own brand stuff is reasonably nice, our local ones are clean, bright and the staff are helpful.

ASDA is cheaper, but it's huge, disorganised and has no one to ask and not enough tills open in an evening. Not all their own brand stuff is nice.

Sainsburys blow it on price and very annoying meat offers that clog up your freezer and make meals boring.

CookingFunt Sat 24-Nov-12 17:10:09

Its great that some of you are supporting local traders but please spare a thought for those whose entire shopping budget is £50. Tesco/asda/sainsburys might just be what they need.

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 24-Nov-12 17:18:28

Cooking I don't have an issue with supermarkets at all on the face of it.

I do with tescos though. I live in Cardiff,it is hardly a large city and yet there are 2 tesco extras and 10 smaller ones (at least).Ridiculously uncessary.

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 24-Nov-12 17:20:11

Especially the ones in which the stock is less varied and of poorer quality to "suit the demographic". Because obviously,poor people only like 3 vegetables and mostly frozen food hmm

happyhopefulmummy Sat 24-Nov-12 17:31:34

Read "shopped" by Joanna blythman. It's about the power of British supermarkets. I read it 5 years ago and have been loathe to go into one ever since. It was really shocking.

nokidshere Sat 24-Nov-12 17:36:15

IOts not tesco putting the small business oiut of business its the customers surely? If people didn't use them then they wouldn;t be so huge. We have 3 tescos within a close distance and I don't go near any of them.

customers choice.

CookingFunt Sat 24-Nov-12 18:54:09

That does sound quite excessive. I have to say I am happy we have one now. If its 7pm and I run out of milk I can go get some more. No knocking on doors or driving miles to a shop that's open.

Wishfulmakeupping Sat 24-Nov-12 19:01:22

I actively avoid Tescos there food is always in the news for having something wrong with it urgghh

bochead Sat 24-Nov-12 20:28:48

Luckily I live in a part of London that has several thriving markets, ethnic groceries and is a short bus ride from Lidls & Aldi. The markets flog all the non-irratiated funny shaped fruit and veg we can eat at prices we can afford while providing a liveable income to the stall holders and local shops, as opposed to a tax-payer subsidised minimum wage that needs tax credits for the workers to feed their families.

Oh and the small business retailers don't get to tax dodge Tescos do either! They say 8 proper "wages" are lost to the community for each minimum wage job Tescos creates when it opens a new shop.

I've boycotted Tescos for years and only use Sainsbury's to get some of the dairy-free stuff like easter eggs I can't buy elsewhere. Tescos are unethical to both suppliers and their workers (I haven't forgiven them for their involvement in workfare).

I'm all for free trade - the bullying Tescos indulges in at all stages of the supply & planning chains is NOT free and fair competition at all. To use that farmers strawberries, if they don't want to purchase his product for quality reasons, it is only fair to allow him to offer his product to others on the open market. They can keep their frankly creepy loyalty card scheme too.

I'm very poor but lucky in that my kid won't starve if I refuse to shop in Tescos or buy Nestle brand. I can't afford an all-organic fair trade totally ethical weekly shop but I can at least avoid the worst offenders iykwim. I have a clear idea in my head of the kind of society I'd like my child to live in when he's an adult & Tesco's is the complete anti-thesis of that.

If Tescos get their way we'll all live in Tescos homes, dependent on Tescos mortgages we can't afford on "flexible" minimum wage contracts eating Tescos GMO foods. Not for me ta velly muchly.

IvanaHumpalotCountDracula Sat 24-Nov-12 21:13:47

CailinDana - I agree, Tescos' is a business not a charity. But I find their business model unethical, for all the reasons Plomino and Bochead talk about and more.

They (and others) land bank, have very powerful lobbyists. Form 'iron rings' of shops in areas to drive out any competition and they can afford to have loss shops in order to keep out the alternatives.

So there is no real choice. Every Tesco's sells the same stuff, much like any other supermarket. Just because you have the 4 big ones in your area, how much product choice do you really have? The only choice is price and it is a race to the bottom. The only people paying for this are the suppliers.

My FIL owns and runs a shop. He's early 80s and will be retiring soon. The business isn't viable anymore and he is in the process of running it down. He can't afford to stay open 24hrs - staff wages, NI, insurance etc... Nor would he want to, after all he would like some time with his family. So when you say the supermarket is convenient becauses it opens late and is cheaper than local independents - you're right. My FIL can't buy in the volumes needed to bring the down the price or negotiate with the suppliers. He can't be open at 10 at night and he can't offer you food shop, clothes, toys, electricals, jewellery, mortgages, banking etc... all under one roof. But what he can offer is excellent service, sell you the right product for you and be there if something goes wrong.

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