to think WTAF at the Amy Winehouse statue?

(68 Posts)
BattlingFanjos Fri 23-Nov-12 23:21:45

Apparently this is old news but I've only just seen it so apologies!

According to her dad Mitch, it is going to be unveiled at a "Live Aid type concert where we get maybe four, five, six hours" in Sept 2014. It doesn't say anything about money for charity or anything just that it will be a tribute to Amy at the Roundhouse in Camden.

AIBU to think that she could sing, had a good voice, sold many records and made a fair bit of money not my taste but she was obviously talented but that doing things like this are taking away from what she did in her personal life? If she was such an inspirational public figure why was it allowed to be so public that she abused drugs, alcohol and her whole body/mind?! They are sugar coating the dark side of her life! It was not fucking cool! It was sad and inevitable!!! I think her death was so sad and I have every sympathy for her poor, poor family. But come on! A fucking statue?! WHY?!

Please, someone tell me what I am missing!!

CarrotCruncher Sat 24-Nov-12 01:58:15

She died of alchohol poisoning and had been off drugs for a couple of months she was trying to quit.A true legend imo with a fantastic voice/talent who is sadly missed and i think a statue is very fitting and correct RIP AMY

CarrotCruncher Sat 24-Nov-12 01:59:11

sad

Monty27 Sat 24-Nov-12 02:07:16

Battling have you had a sheltered life free of any addictions/afflictions/pain/depths beyond what is acceptable to God knows who. You? It would seem not. Long may it last. angry

Oh don't start me.

Carrot sad Me too. What a beautiful talented woman and yes it was a tragic loss of life.

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 24-Nov-12 02:09:06

YANBU (unless the statue is going in her parents garden or something).

A true legend? Really?

ClippedPhoenix Sat 24-Nov-12 02:22:55

So she died through drink and drugs and theres a statue of her being unveiled? that is rather off to he honest.

But in saying that i would probably take my teen DS there to point out that she died at a very young age because of it and it's not the way to go.

I wouldn't take him there with the heroin thing in mind.

Monty27 Sat 24-Nov-12 02:25:17

There's statues of warlords the world over.

The point is?

ClippedPhoenix Sat 24-Nov-12 02:27:37

she doesnt deserve a bloody statue thats four sure. She made a few albums and she was very talented but she went and fucked up to the point she died.. Hero's that save people and die to give life to others deserve that, not her.

ihavenonameonhere Sat 24-Nov-12 02:28:46

I loved Amy Winehouse but I think there is better use of money than a statue of her

MrsGrieves Sat 24-Nov-12 02:32:11

Meh I'm sure many public figures who have statues in their honour led less than blameless lives.

Her personal life was just that, obviously it led to tragedy, but so could many others, they just got lucky.

Wasn't Churchill a bit of a pisshead?

ClippedPhoenix Sat 24-Nov-12 02:33:20

The point is Monty that we don't need to repeat errors do we.

A statue is a figure of worship and no we dont want to worship poor amys calamity of a life and what that stands for.

MrsGrieves Sat 24-Nov-12 02:33:27

ClippedPhoenix you seem like such a lovely person smile.

Monty27 Sat 24-Nov-12 02:34:07

Yep warlords have statues everywhere, as do artists, whether liked or not.

see elvis stuff for example

ClippedPhoenix Sat 24-Nov-12 02:35:39

I have my faults MrsGrieves grin

Monty27 Sat 24-Nov-12 02:40:38

Clipped you do seem lovely and I do get what you're saying, but it's for her achievements not her shortcomings. I suppose as a fan of her music (not all of it, and certainly not her habits) I can respect her.

I suppose worship is a bit strong. More in memory of her achievements.

piprabbit Sat 24-Nov-12 02:46:13

Noor Inayat Khan is an inspirational figure and the statue of her, which was only unveiled a couple of weeks ago, is the first to honour an Asian woman in Britain. It is fitting that Noor be honoured in this way. Amy, I'm not so sure about.

ClippedPhoenix Sat 24-Nov-12 02:47:41

Thanks monty but i dont really see how she should have a statue, she made a few very brilliant records and had a very young and painful death due to addiction. It's not exactly something that should be carved in our history

Monty27 Sat 24-Nov-12 02:58:41

Clipped, I live in London, don't know if you do but there's blue plaques, statues etc everywhere, I'm always a bit ermmmm, who where they etc, if it happens it happens. I do get what you're saying but Camden was her 'manor' so to speak and if it's up there, people will go to see it, if they don't, or people see it and don't know who she was does it matter?

It's just a momentum to her life. tragic as it was

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 03:08:01

" If she was such an inspirational public figure why was it allowed to be so public that she abused drugs, alcohol and her whole body/mind?! "

as a reminder, a lesson even?

she was a human being with family and friends who loved her. she had an amazing talent but guess what, she was also human and made decisions that resulted in a horrible life for her and her loved ones. that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to be remembered by those that choose to. are you being asked to fund the statue? i dont think so (but am happy to be corrected if this is coming out of taxpayers' money). i have family buried in graveyards with beautiful headstones that cost alot of money. they weren't superhuman infallible beings. they all made bad decisions at one point or another but we dont scrawl those things over their headstones. we accept that as humans we all make mistakes and that it doesn't make the good things we do worthless.

some people are choosing to erect a statue to remember a person that was important to them. that is all. if you dont want to be involved then dont.

ClippedPhoenix Sat 24-Nov-12 03:10:35

Now you've brougt a tear to my eye. Yes I do live in London and i guess she was an icon sort of ish in Camden and that is a whacky place grin so if her dad wants to pay for a statue who's to say he cant. We as parents can always point her out and say how tragic her life was and why i guess.

Monty27 Sat 24-Nov-12 03:14:04

Iam was so grateful for your post.

Clipped <proffers hand to shake> smile

Sorry it took me so long to articulate what Iam said.

smile

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 24-Nov-12 03:20:07

'she was a human being with family and friends who loved her. she had an amazing talent'

If that's the new criteria for a statue we're not going to be able to move for statues soon!

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 03:24:20

it's enough criteria for whoever is paying for it. if there are rules against it then report to the relevant authority.

you didn't love her. we get it. that's not an issue for those that did.

ClippedPhoenix Sat 24-Nov-12 03:24:42

Its better than a seal holding a ballon, its better than jelly beans in the middle of hyde park, at least its a talking point and us as parents can actually talk about it if it's there.. I cant really say much about jelly beans

MollyMurphy Sat 24-Nov-12 03:25:14

Well I'll man up and agree with you OP....

she was only 28, not exactly a lifetime of contributions and not much of a role model either. Talented - yes, a human-being - yes, tragic - yes....but surely that is a rather wide category.

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 03:26:21

and fwiw my mum has statues of both her dead dogs in her garden and they didn't even have amazing talent! seems amy has gone beyond the accepted criteria for having your own statue shock wink

Monty27 Sat 24-Nov-12 03:27:20

Jelly beans

Now we're talking, I'm going to tk max bed.

Nite all,

Amy you deserve an epitaph smile RIP

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 24-Nov-12 03:27:47

Where is it going, the statue?

'you didn't love her. we get it. that's not an issue for those that did. '

so we can agree that some people will like the statue and some people will think WTAF is this? That neither person is right or wrong, just a difference of opinion?

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 24-Nov-12 03:28:52

IAM I think her parents garden would be the absolute best place for a statue of her (see my earlier post).

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 03:30:40

absoloutely a difference of opinion. i dont think there can be a right or wrong feeling about it tbh. Op asked what she was missing. i gave her my view on it.

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 03:33:34

personally i think if it gets people thinking about their own drug use or getting help for addiction or teens/ children forming early opinions that drugs really aren't something they want to risk then it's a good thing. if it's inher parents' garden it's less likely to have a positive impact.

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 24-Nov-12 03:42:53

I really doubt that a statue of Amy Winehouse is going to make people think about their own drug use or make children/teenagers decide to steer clear. If anything it will have the opposite effect. I imagine the statue is going to depict her in her better days, not lying in a pile of sick with a needle in her arm?

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 03:47:29

ya never know.

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 24-Nov-12 03:49:40

I would support that statue.

WelshMaenad Sat 24-Nov-12 06:32:28

We have a statue of a boxer in our town. Someone who punched people in the head for money. Just because he was a bit famous and made some dough and came from there.

So, a statue of Amy Winehouse in Camden seems perfectly reasonable.

I have never noticed anyone worship at the statue of the boxer, incidentally.

I'd also imagine any funds raised by the concert will go to the Amy Winehouse Foundation, which seeks to educate and work with young people on the issues of drug and alcohol misuse. If that saves one person from a life of misery, that will be quite worthwhile.

BattlingFanjos Sat 24-Nov-12 09:30:39

Yes she was talented and all the rest. I don't think she was a bad person or not in need of recognition but I don't think this is the way to go about it! Monty, no sheltered life here, far from it! I've lost friends to drugs who were always very talented, creative, amazing people, no statues for them!

Outraged I agree! I'm writing it in my will! Lol.
IAm, this is not about me loving her or not. I wasn't 'against' her, quite indifferent really. I just think it seems a bit mad.

I don't think it's against rules or regulations, just fancied throwing myself out there and saying I don't think it's an appropriate way of remembering her.

Thank you Molly, I just can't see that there would be a statue if she had lived for many, many more years.

BattlingFanjos Sat 24-Nov-12 09:36:10

IAm and Outraged yup, just a difference of opinion. Not everyone is gonna agree with me (gawd wouldn't that be boring!). Just wondered what everyone else thought!

As I live in Leeds, not Camden I doubt it will have any impact on my life, it just baffled me!

Welsh there was no mention in the article of the funds going to the foundation but I would assume that they would. As that was the whole point of setting it up.

My opinion was initially that it was glamorising the drugs/drink issues, rather than her talent. I'm sure I'd feel differently if I was a massive fan.

I live in Camden and it will be a welcome distraction from the piles of sick, empty special brew cans and skunk dealers which are the only other points of interest I see in my walk home from work smile

Mrsjay Sat 24-Nov-12 10:03:04

some die young people are held on high if her dad wants to have a tribute to his daughter then why not Amy had many Fans

I am just not comfortable with her iconic status but that is what happens they die of drink drugs suicide and are held up as some musical hero , they just sang songs imo,

GhostShip Sat 24-Nov-12 10:05:30

I agree with you OP. Dying from being a drug addict isn't something we should be commemorating. Yes she had talent, I love her albums, but she hardly managed to get onto stage because she was so off it in the end.

Nancy66 Sat 24-Nov-12 10:11:16

Her dad is an attention seeking media whore who will say anything for publicity.

It probably won't happen.

Strawhatpirate Sat 24-Nov-12 10:15:02

I think the money might be better spent on projects and charities to stop other people winding up the same way. Or on causes that Amy loved.

Woozley Sat 24-Nov-12 10:18:59

I loved Amy Winehouse but I find the idea of a statue of her rather tacky.

BattlingFanjos Sat 24-Nov-12 10:29:26

Glad I'm not the only one!

It's just so sad, they are holding her up like some kind of martyr, when all I saw was a young woman who needed help. Which I'm sure she had and only those who were close to her know how much, it just doesn't sit right with me.
She's not the first though and doubt she will be the last, 'tis the society we live in.

Mrsjay Sat 24-Nov-12 10:43:09

She's not the first though and doubt she will be the last, 'tis the society we live in.

yes it is lots of artists were 'tortured souls'

I am not heartless though she did die and it was tragic

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 15:44:16

"Dying from being a drug addict isn't something we should be commemorating. "

that isn't what is being commemorated.

GhostShip Sat 24-Nov-12 16:08:50

What is being commemorated then, pray tell? She wouldn't be having a statue had she not died.
She died due to drug abuse. Because she's died they're now wanting a statue. Why?

DayShiftDoris Sat 24-Nov-12 16:12:11

I won't even listen to her music on the radio...

If she had been a nurse, a police officer, a shoppe assistant with that behaviour lifestyle and making those choices then talented at her chosen profession or it would have unacceptable. If the same consequences of her actions had been applied then she wouldn't have got much past song 1 or 2.

I often wonder if the outcome had been different if they had deemed it unacceptable. I read an article by her dad when she disappeared for a while and he said the same thing.

My issue with a statue is that it will, again make money for an industry that did not seek to protect one of its own or it's own values...

This whole charade is not and never will be about Amy Winehouse the person... a person I thought was continually crying out for help whilst pushing at boundaries that unfortunately were not there.

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 16:17:13

they wouldn't need a statue if she hadn't died. she'd still be here. no-one would need to remember her.

and you really cant work out that it's a statue to commemorate her life?

GhostShip Sat 24-Nov-12 16:21:24

Yes but WHY are we commemorating her life? Its doing nothing but glorifying dying young because of a drug addled life style. Its a shitty message to put across.

There's many many more people, famous and no, who deserve their lives commemorating in such a way. So I can't say I'm sorry for not wanting this one. No point trying to argue with me over my opinion.

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Nov-12 16:25:06

YANBU.

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 16:25:31

'we' aren't. her family are.

GhostShip Sat 24-Nov-12 16:29:24

Are they paying for the statue? Will they be paying for the land its put on? Because as far as I know you can't just go plonking statues anywhere.

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Nov-12 16:31:40

Ghost as usual I second what you've said.

<strokes Ghostships hair in admiration>

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 16:32:22

yes they are paying for the statue. not sure about how they get permission to put it where it's going. i will assume they will either be granted permission or not (and wont erect it) so wont be breaking any rules. i dont think they are intending to plonk it anywhere.

peeriebear Sat 24-Nov-12 16:32:45

She was free from drugs when she died. Just saying.

GhostShip Sat 24-Nov-12 16:34:21

<arches back like a cat>
grin

Mrsjay Sat 24-Nov-12 16:34:37

she was drunk a few days before she died and was withdrawing from alcohol , I dont think singers should be help on a pedastal cos she is dead

jessiegeesusinamanger Sat 24-Nov-12 17:11:06

I think it's horribly sad how the poor girl died and it was an awful waste of a young life. To me though, she was a moderately talented singer/songwriter and I just cannot see why all the fuss about her. There are so many equally talented people out there. Cannot see why she would warrant a statue?

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 24-Nov-12 17:32:56

YANBU.

Don't get me wrong,I enjoyed Amy's music a great deal. I simply don't think her contribution to the world warrants having a statue. She's hardly comparable to Churchill is she?

It doesn't matter how she died in terms of her having a statue. I would feel the same if it was John Lennon.

It's just encouraging children to buy in to vacuous celebrity culture.

Yes of course she deserves an epitaph...on her headstone in a cemetary. Or a plaque on the wall of the house where she lived/grew up.

Mrsjay Sat 24-Nov-12 17:40:32

I don't think anybody on this thread is saying Amys death wasn't tragic it was she was somebodies daughter and friend and had fans all over just some can't understand what the whole adulation is all about,

BattlingFanjos Sat 24-Nov-12 19:26:07

Lots of opinions!! (Love these threads lol).

I'm with Ghost I agree with everything you've said. I am a massive music fan and hold several artists in high esteem, but they're still just people, they're not 'gods'. peerie yeah I read that. But it was so widely publicised that she was an addict/excessive drug and alcohol abuser and she has been hailed for it that's my issue with it. Although I agree with whoever it was that said it isn't about Amy as a person. People have such a dark curiosity about situations like this, (think Kurt Cobain) I've been there myself in my teenage years thinking I knew everything and "they will never get me". Young people do not need anymore pushing into holding these tragic people on a pedestal!

BattlingFanjos Sat 24-Nov-12 19:28:36

I guess my main point is that I haven't seen anyone in the media stand up and say "yeah she was a nice lass, but she fucked up. She was in a bit place and needed real help, not to make more music" it's all very, "she was amazing, she was an angel, a tortured soul (so cool!)" She was so obviously in need of someone to step iin and say "Enough!"

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 19:34:59

the thing is though, she was an adult and couldn't be forced to take the help. AFAIK she didgo into rehab (could be wrong) and her family were constantly trying to get her to stop. Addicts have to be ready to take the help otherwise it wont work. she wasn't anyone's responsibility. i dont think you can blame anyone for not stepping in an saying 'enough'. obviously i wasn't in her close circle of friends so i dont know who did what but from what i remember she did have good family support. but none of them can force her to quit drugs.

BattlingFanjos Sat 24-Nov-12 20:07:19

I agree no one could force her to take drugs and as I said before only those close to her know what happened in terms of help. I am merely speculating on what was told to us, I am in no way blaming anyone for what happened (I have no rights to do that, obviously lol).
Yes she was an adult who made her own choices, bad choices. They have set up the foundation to help people in her situation which is great! I just think that putting up the statue contradicts what they are trying to do in her name. They don't go hand in hand. No one in a million years is going to look at that statue and think "Wow! I must stop the heroin or I might end up like that!" Yes, glorified and immortalised in bronze (probs not true lol) for all eternity by the people they have been desperate to accept them hmm

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 22:43:05

see i think the opposite. i think it will be a reminder/lesson to people. for example if someone mentions george best to me i think alcoholic, wasted talent. it certainly doesn't make me think he led a fun filled life that i would want to emulate.

BattlingFanjos Sat 24-Nov-12 23:42:14

I hope you're right, I really do. If you can't be a good role model, be a good warning my mum has always said. Hopefully it will deter people...doubt it tho hmm

IAmSoFuckingRock Sat 24-Nov-12 23:45:58

i hope so too. but we'll never know either way.

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