wibu to tell the chugger to f#$# off?

(113 Posts)
fallingsun Fri 23-Nov-12 18:16:33

I was walking down the high street, hurrying as it was cold and I wanted to get home. A chugger bounced in and started cooing at 11mo dd, saying 'oh soooo cute' etc etc. I ignored her, partly as she hadn't addressed me and partly because running the gauntlet of chuggers really annoys me. Anyway, I blatantly wasn't interested, but the chugger kept going, trying to get in dds face and my way. When the chugger was still there despite me practically running to escape ten paces layer, I turned to her and quietly told her to f#ck off.

I'm don't normally swear, especially not at someone, but she really irritated me, I especially didn't like the fake cooing of dd as an excuse to get my attention. Wibu?

Svrider Fri 23-Nov-12 18:17:56

I don't know what chugger is
However you swore at someone who was been nice to your baby
Yabvu

Sirzy Fri 23-Nov-12 18:20:14

Could you not just have said "sorry, I'm in a bit of a rush"

Was there really a need to swear?

OldBagWantsNewBag Fri 23-Nov-12 18:21:26

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Icelollycraving Fri 23-Nov-12 18:25:34

Yabu. Seems like a bit of an over reaction to someone trying to earn their living. I understand they are annoying but unreasonable to swear.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Fri 23-Nov-12 18:28:22

Yabu to tell someone to fuck off for doing their job. I'm not a fan of chiggers and do my best to avoid them, but I'd rather do that or be forced to say a polite 'no thank you' than have them sitting at home claiming benefits.

Dogsmom Fri 23-Nov-12 18:29:46

YABU to tell a chugger to fuck off, YWNBU to tell Cheggers to fuck off.

PuppyMonkey Fri 23-Nov-12 18:32:27

I like to just completely blank them, no matter what they do just look right through them. They can't cope and it's like the computer inside their head breaks down in front of your eyes. grin

I'm sure they're all big boys and girls and have heard fuck off a few times, tbh. Don't worry about it.

TiggyD Fri 23-Nov-12 18:32:34

If you said no and the chugger didn't take no for an answer, you can do whatever you want to them. In Wales you're allowed to kill them.

bondigidum Fri 23-Nov-12 18:32:43

Yanbu. Gah.. Has to be the most annoying job ever, I think they should be banned. Its so so so annoying, I just tell them i'm already signed up wink

ISayHolmes Fri 23-Nov-12 18:33:33

Following you and trying to block your way is completely wrong and I'm pretty sure the person doing that could get their charity into big trouble with the Public Fundraising Regulatory Association. You aren't allowed to block people or follow them in the way they did to you. I think you're only allowed a couple of steps alongside before you have to back off.

blueemerald Fri 23-Nov-12 18:34:38

I thought they weren't allowed to follow you down the street now? If so I would complain. I hate the fact that charities used chuggers do much these days.

LineRunner Fri 23-Nov-12 18:35:14

I very calmly and quietly say to anyone chugging or bothering me, 'Please go away.'

If they carry on, then TiggyD's Welsh Sanction applies.

A chugger once bounded into my path (and I walk fast) and said "you're looking very smiley today, mate" to which I answered "1) I am not your mate because, if you were my mate you'd know that 2) I never smile"

I know they are doing a job but it's as bad as cold calling in my book. I support several charities thank you and I don't support any that pay people to be chuggers.

ISayHolmes Fri 23-Nov-12 18:37:05

Here's a BBC article on the new rules, blueemerald:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19316167

Just looked it up.

TheFarSide Fri 23-Nov-12 18:38:37

YANBU because it sounds like they were trying to block your way, not to mention ignoring your uninterested body language and trying cynically to get to you through your baby.

Anybody who foists themselves on others must be prepared for the consequences.

LineRunner Fri 23-Nov-12 18:41:44

Looks like the best response to a chugger is simply to say, 'I'm working.'

Which I often am when I get hassled by them - I'm going to a meeting and have to walk down a main street.

wilderumpus Fri 23-Nov-12 18:47:08

YABU. best probably to say a polite but firm 'no thanks' with the 'chugger' and email the offending charity. that way the person keeps their job and sanity and the charity may get some helpful feedback about what promotional work does/doesn't work.

HairyGrotter Fri 23-Nov-12 18:52:48

We call them Chunts.

I am usually polite but if they push then they get a swift "fuck off" so to me YANBU

FredFredGeorge Fri 23-Nov-12 18:52:49

YANBU

thegreylady Fri 23-Nov-12 18:54:25

what on earth is a chugger??

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Fri 23-Nov-12 18:55:54

Charity Mugger = Chugger

You know, those people that come up to you in the street and try to get you to sign up to pay a direct debit to whatever charity their agency is working for that week.

AlexanderS Fri 23-Nov-12 19:02:00

Chugger = charity mugger (coz they jump on you for your money).

They are only allowed to follow you for three paces, but I don't think I'd have jumped straight to 'Fuck off', I'd have tried 'I can't' first (that's what I always say, I look them directly in the eye, think of my (mounting) debts and say 'I can't', and it's always sincere because I'm thinking about how broke I am! It works nine times out of ten). But I have had some terrible experiences with chuggers so I don't blame you one bit.

LineRunner Fri 23-Nov-12 19:06:43

I hate their tabards. And their clipboards.

Ragwort Fri 23-Nov-12 19:10:01

OldBag - out of interest, what was the 'conversion' rate for the charity your DS worked for? How long did he stand it? Must be a completely soul destroying job.

GetorfsaMotherfuckingMorrisMan Fri 23-Nov-12 19:12:48

I feel sorry for the poor gits. It's a shit job by the look of it.

They are only youngsters the most of them. I wouldn't swear, just say no thanks and scamper off. It is very annoying and I wouldn't sign up in a million years, but I hate the concept, not the people trying to make a living doing the job.

They're just doing a really, really shitty job. I try and be polite to them and tell them 'no thank you', if they're really aggressive about it and refuse to give up I would probably lose my temper though.

strumpetpumpkin Fri 23-Nov-12 19:13:28

YANBU, theyre fucking annoying. You didnt stop, it was obvious you werent interested, she was pushing it. It was the risk she took.

Theyre getting pushier and pushier and it pisses me off

MsPickle Fri 23-Nov-12 19:17:56

I can't remember where I picked up this tip but it works beautifully: say "je suis desole, mais je ne parles pas francais" or "es tut mir leid, aber ich kann kein Deutsch". Even If they do have either language the momentary confusion gives you time to get away cleanly!

IslaValargeone Fri 23-Nov-12 19:22:27

YANBU
I decline their offer politely at first but if they can't take no for an answer and try to block your way a fuck off would be the least they deserved.

specialsubject Fri 23-Nov-12 19:26:14

They are soliciting charity donations BUT they get a massive cut, so it is a TERRIBLE way to give to charity.

OP's reaction is understandable. I tell them that I don't buy services sold on the street.

on balance: YANBU.

Pilgit Fri 23-Nov-12 19:35:28

if i didn't work in central london i would probably agree that the reaction was unreasonable. However there are soooo many in central london that are that persistent - or worse aggressive that this is often the reaction they get - they are a pest. I now boycott any charities that use them as a result and most of the other people i know who work in london are the same- so using chuggers is going to backfire on them.

another question is to ask them how much commission they get - a lot work on a commission basis rather than being paid a wage and the commission makes your donation sometimes largely pointless!

TheFarSide Fri 23-Nov-12 19:37:45

If your job is to bully people into donating to charity then you must expect to be told to fuck off occasionally.

I have always supported myself financially by working but I have never done a job that I thought was unethical, no matter how desperate, so I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about the poor chuggers.

wonderstuff Fri 23-Nov-12 19:41:20

YABU a polite 'I don't have time' would have been effective - swearing at people is really nasty.

I was a professional fundraiser for a while - its a really difficult job. Out in all weathers - lots of rejection and rude people - I used to talk to a lot of drug-dealers and homeless people - I only lasted a few months.

They are raising money for some excellent causes. Chuggers are not on commission - they aren't taking a massive cut out of your donation - the charity commissions the fundraising company to gain x number of supporters at y rate per supporter - the company I worked for charged a set amount per new donater, the charity was only spending when it was getting money in. If it wasn't cost effective then the charity wouldn't commission it. The average donation of £5 a month lasted 5 years, so raises £300 - when I was working (in 2002) I was getting £7 an hour and targeted to gain one sign-up an hour - so if I made my target then it really was very cost effective. I don't know what the company I worked for charged - per sign up though.

Charities like street sign-up because they are getting a profile of donator who doesn't respond in other ways.

ImaginateMum Fri 23-Nov-12 19:44:09

I get approached around ten times a week, plus charity collectors daily (same patch, different charities) and several Big Issues sellers. I am sure they all think I am horrendous but I cannot give to them all! I was only rude the one time I was sworn at though.

Conversation went like this:
Him: "Do you want to save the world?"
Me: "Not now, sorry, in a hurry"
Him: "What is it with you bl**dy women, everyone who has walked past has said they are in a hurry. You can't all be in a f**cking hurry"
Me: "Yes we bl**dy can when you are standing right near three schools at school pick up time!"

BeatTheClock Fri 23-Nov-12 19:44:59

Yabu. There's no need to be so rude no matter how irritating they are.

Cahooots Fri 23-Nov-12 19:45:05

That does sound really really irritating....

I would have been tempted to do the same but maybe not quite so sweary.

wonderstuff Fri 23-Nov-12 19:48:14

ImaginateMum if someone spoke to me in that way I would be contacting the charity/talking to his supervisor/employer - that is awful!

JambalayaWarmMincePie Fri 23-Nov-12 19:48:39

I got told to fuck off once by a chugger.

She came bouncing towards me, but I has a mouthful of Wispa. (It as just after they re-launched, I was so chuffed! grin) I was trying to mime my mouthful, when she said "Fuck off then, Misery!"

After swallowing my mouthful, she got one! And she'd been overheard by several passers by too,who all chipped in. Probably never spoke to anyone in the street again after that.

ImaginateMum Fri 23-Nov-12 19:51:44

Wonderstuff - I absolutely should have, you're right. But I was genuinely in a hurry and didn't pay enough to his bib or appearance. Because I pass chuggers so often I have developed this kind of fixed gaze where I stare into the distance past them. I find the moment I focus on them in any detail, then the patter starts.

Tweasels Fri 23-Nov-12 19:52:46

It is irritating and I have no idea how charities make any money from this method but.....

I work with unemployed young people and this is one of the very few jobs that seem easyish to get. I spoke to a young woman today who left after one day in tears because people were so rude to her which she wasn't expecting. She is desperate for work and bless her, thought she was doing a bit for charity too but after a full day of being told to fuck off, called a cunt and threatened with violence it was back to the dole queue.

So in view of that YABU.

blueemerald Fri 23-Nov-12 19:55:45

If a stranger followed me 10 paces or so down the road when I was pushing a buggy trying to fuss over my baby after I had already ignored their initial attempt at interaction I would have no qualms about telling them to fuck off. Why would the fact that they are trying to get my money/"doing their job" make a difference?

GrendelsMum Fri 23-Nov-12 20:00:04

To be honest, in the scheme of things, I don't think it's appropriate to behave aggressively to someone for the behaviour this woman displayed, and saying 'fuck off' to someone is aggressive behaviour. So although she wasn't behaving well, I don't think your response was proportional.

Saying "No thank you," or similar is generally equally effective.

The other day, a chugger came up to me straight after I'd heard that a friend had been diagnosed with cancer. "You're looking very cheery today," he said. I was so taken aback I just said "No," and walked on. He didn't say anything, so perhaps there was a lot of meaning in my 'no'?

TheDuchessOfEarl Fri 23-Nov-12 20:02:42

YANBU I'd tell anyone who expected me to give them my bank details in the middle of the street to fuck off.

TheFarSide Fri 23-Nov-12 20:16:06

Badgering someone for money is aggressive behaviour, GrendelsMum.

It's a shame that some naive young people take chugging jobs thinking they are doing something worthwhile, but it's a useful lesson for them that some forms of employment are not entirely ethical.

And why should we be nice to people who are behaving aggressively or unethically?

HildaOgden Fri 23-Nov-12 20:18:09

I can never understand who signs up for these things,I mean do people really hand over their bank account details and sign a direct debit form to random strangers with clipboards in the street?They must do,I suppose,otherwise chuggers wouldn't exist.

I wouldn't have been too polite to someone trying to charm me through my baby in order to make a sale either.Although I'd have resisted the urge to tell them to fuck off and instead told them their arse was on fire,it always startles people and makes them turn around rapidly,which provides me with both an escape route and mindless amusement

SantaisBarredfromhavingStella Fri 23-Nov-12 20:29:23

Lol Hilda , your arse is on fire-I love it & will be using grin

Geeklette Fri 23-Nov-12 20:46:29

hilda I love it - racked up for next week when I will be no doubt running the chugger gauntlet once again.

Like MrsPickles I sometimes answer "mae'n ddrwg gen i, dwi'n brysur iawn" - there's not a person in England who can understand Welsh grin

btw YANBU, they are getting far too pushy these days. I wish councils would limit the number permitted in any particular square mile. Charity collectors aren't allowed to rattle their tins any more as it constitutes begging, so I don't see why chuggers should be allowed to follow you down the street and get in your face.

GrendelsMum Fri 23-Nov-12 21:00:43

TheFarSide I don't think the woman was in this case behaving aggressively, as far as the description is given. She was behaving annoyingly by following the OP and cooing at the baby, but her behaviour as described here isn't aggressive.

JudeFawley Fri 23-Nov-12 21:06:12

The town where I walk is packed with chuggers in their red fleeces, grrrr.

My usual trick is to pretend to talk or text on the phone. Nonetheless, today I got the, 'hello beautiful lady!!' in my face. They always try something like this, it makes me want to say FUCK OFF!

Get a proper job.

hermioneweasley Fri 23-Nov-12 21:06:34

YABVVU. No matter how irritating this person was, you remain responsible for your reaction which was far ruder and more aggressive.

JudeFawley Fri 23-Nov-12 21:06:38

I meant work, not walk.

bradywasmyfavouriteking Fri 23-Nov-12 21:07:29

YABU. As far as I can see you didn't even tell her you weren't interested.

I would say that it was, perhaps, reasonable had you have asked her to go away a few times first.

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 23-Nov-12 21:07:38

I like the ones that start with
"what have you done for x,Y,Z"

Because then I can list all of the overseas work that I have done and then ask them what they have done.

SneakyNuts Fri 23-Nov-12 21:10:37

I was a chugger (years ago). I didn't feel comfortable doing it at all, I'm too polite! I lasted 3 weeks blush

That fuck off wont have been the first and it wont be the last to be honest.

Saying that, I was out in my old town a couple of months ago with baby DD. One of the lads came bounding over shouting "oi, yummy mummy!" hmm. I turned around and he started his spiel. I politely declined and went to move on, so he decided to follow me and started touching my face and hair!

Then he received a big punch fuck off from me grin

MoomieAndFreddie Fri 23-Nov-12 21:12:18

YABU for swearing

But YANBU for being fucked off that they used your baby as an excuse to talk to you, i am sure they are TRAINED to do this (has happened to me loads of times) and it pisses me right off

and i have also been called "sexy mummy" "yummy mummy" (boak) by them before trying to get my attention when i am with dcs, god do i look that DESPERATE that I will be so glad to be called sexy or whatever i will donate to them hmm

sorry but if i want to give to charity i will do, i don't want someone all up in my face pretending they like me / fancy me / think my kids are cute just to get me to donate angry

JudeFawley Fri 23-Nov-12 21:13:55

I sometimes say, 'I am in a GAYE scheme and so is my husband. We don't want to join another'. Then they will say, 'Not even £5 per month or a one-off donation?'

No!

TheFarSide Fri 23-Nov-12 21:17:11

I wonder about the kind of people who actually do these jobs. Obviously there are the innocent students/first jobbers who don't realise what they're getting into and give up after a few days, but what about those who use every manipulative technique in the book to get you to give them money.

I must admit I'm not too fond of sales people in general.

shriekingnora Fri 23-Nov-12 21:28:24

Someone from Oxfam knocked on my door yesterday and I opened the door a tiny crack and was very apologetic and told her we had no money and that I didn't want to open the door any further cause we have all had D&V all week.

I thought that would scare her off.

She looked me in the eye and said, 'Don't you want to help other people with D&V?'

I usually pretend to be foreign.... they give up and walk away grin

fallingsun Fri 23-Nov-12 21:29:54

Thanks all. I think on balance it sounds like I was bu. In future I will run faster say 'no thanks'. I do find chuggers very annoying, I have complained before to charities when I've had particularly aggressive ones. I do GAYE too, I would never give my bank details in the street either.

I had a chugger knock on my door three times in a day last week, despite there being a sign saying 'no cold callers' arrgghh, they drive me mad.

FlangelinaBallerina Fri 23-Nov-12 21:36:17

Yanbu, she shouldn't have been getting in your baby's face. DH floored a chugger once. Not deliberately, but one grabbed him by the shoulder from behind, and his reflex action was to turn around and twat him. He was very apologetic to the bloke afterwards, but if you grab someone from behind you have to expect a slap!

ravenAK Fri 23-Nov-12 21:39:49

I explain to them at great length why I never, ever give to charities that chug.

Well, I do my best. They generally leg it about 10 seconds in.

Agree 'Fuck off' is a bit much though; the fault's with the companies, not anyone desperate enough to take a job which basically = harassing people for a living. Poor sods.

percythepenguin Fri 23-Nov-12 21:43:54

I did the same last week and am still blush about it but I'd had a MC 3 days before and was not in the mood for a friendly chat! I'd made sure I looked busy and avoided eye contact, I'd said no thanks and he just kept talking so it did take the 'fuck off' to get rid of him.

babesdontlie Fri 23-Nov-12 21:58:24

I was walking through Manchester town centre the other week, minding my own business, chatting to DH when a chugger did a massive star jump and landed directly in my path blocking me -
I can honestly say my first reaction was to say 'fuck off', luckily for her just as I started 'f...' my DH started babbling in a made up foreign language - that always put them off as they have no idea what he's on about (and he does it surprisingly well!)

CaptainVonTrapp Fri 23-Nov-12 21:58:41

Not the most polite response obviously but YWNBU. Pursue people down the street with fake fawning whilst warming up to the opener "Would you like to help a dying child?" They're going to have to expect a few 'fuck off's.

Argh I hate them too, I got collared christmas eve, thing is I'd have happily put a few £ in a pot but no he wanted a £10 pcm direct debit. Ironically he was from shelter and despite me saying yes I know what you do he told me, at length.

When he'd finished I replied again, I know all about what shelter does, they worked with my family this year when we were homeless. His response... He laughed, "we help the '^real^' homeless" at which point I snapped so 5 months of our stuff in storage, and NO HOME stuck in a single room at a bnb isn't homeless, I had to walk away, fecking twat bag.

Also tescos now having fecking virgin holidays in, same women approached me 3 times this week, NO I don't want a fucking disney world/cruise brochure so I can feel bad as the dcs pour over it in the car and say wow, feck off.

OldBagWantsNewBag Fri 23-Nov-12 22:23:37

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MadameCreeper Fri 23-Nov-12 22:47:29

Say no thanks or I'm not interested, if they persist I often ask if they think that will make me change my mind. Any unwanted or aggressive tactics then call and report them. Get their badge number or name if possible, thats one way to get them to piss off, get out your phone and take a pic of their ID ;) If not note the street and time, then call or email the charity they're collecting from. I know charities use agencies but ultimately it's up to them, reputation and goodwill is everything to a charity.

I've only ended up giving my details to a charity collector once.

It was when ds3 was a few months old and I was tired, feeling frumpy and fat. He stopped me in the street, cooed over ds and chatted me up blush I didn't have my bank card and said I couldn't sign up so he asked for my phone number and in my sleep deprived haze I thought he actually liked me blush he called me in the evening, we had a nice chat and he asked for the card details which I have him. He then said "Great, thanks bye" and put the phone down.

What a mug blush

And it was for a years subscription to candis or whatever the magazine is called so about £30!!

Having lived overseas for years and now being resident in UK I still find the best response is still 'sorry I am not resident in the UK." works a treat.

ravenAK Fri 23-Nov-12 22:56:29

I do think it's a shame if people like OldBag's ds who are merely naive & pleased to have a job get told to fuck off.

Just explain why chuggers are A Bad Thing, & you won't be donating, & email the charity to tell them they've just crossed themselves off the list of causes you'll consider donating to.

Unless a chugger is completely out of order & making a nuisance of themselves (& some certainly are, including OP's example), telling some well-meaning job-hungry teenager to fuck off is rather playing the player, not the ball?

wonderstuff Fri 23-Nov-12 22:57:22

Dinosaurs Candis is a profit making magazine club thing that donate a small amount of their profit to charity - so he wasn't a charity collector he was sales rep.
I got stung for the candis thing even though I should have know better.

MadameCreeper Fri 23-Nov-12 23:07:59

I was going to ask if Candis was a charity.

If anyone has signed up to a dd for a charity you can call and get it cancelled, or ask if they can reduce the amount for the product you signed up for. There are may worthwhile charities out there who provide much needed services.

I had no idea what I was signing up for, I was to taken in by the blatantly false flirting - including (to my shame) him asking if I was old enough to have a debit card as I looked so young blush bastard

I couldn't even cancel the damn thing either. I must remember to call them and make sure they won't be taking next years subscription out of the bank or something. I never even read the stupid things.

MadameCreeper Fri 23-Nov-12 23:17:44

dinosaurs, yes call them, write and email them, tell them you do not wish to subscribe next year and do it in good time. It doesn't sound like the type of organization who will make it clear when you can unsubscribe and are banking on a proportion never getting round to it. Good luck smile

TheFarSide Fri 23-Nov-12 23:18:20

OldBag why do you assume I have always had the luxury of being able to pick and choose my jobs? I have always stuck to certain principles, sometimes at some cost to my financial security.

I despise the "I was desperate" excuse. Or the "don't blame me, I'm only doing my job" brigade.

OldBagWantsNewBag Fri 23-Nov-12 23:50:29

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joanbyers Sat 24-Nov-12 00:50:32

We don't get to many chuggers here, but I pretty much ignore everyone, however I've been abused by Big Issue sellers for doing this, so now say 'no thanks'.

CarrotCruncher Sat 24-Nov-12 01:12:43

Two wrongs don't make a right .No need to lower yourself by swearing at her

thecatsminion Sat 24-Nov-12 08:40:34

I was once doing voluntary work of my own on the high street (not bugging people, putting up notices for a local charity craft fair). A couple of chuggers would not leave me alone, and I couldn't get away without abandoning my own task. They tried to get me to sign up for £5 a week and I really, really couldn't afford that much - I had not long graduated and was scraping by on temp work. I offered to give them a fixed amount or sign up for less and they insisted I could afford a fiver. At one point they went away, had a chat and then came back telling me a whole load of stuff about corporate child abuse which turned out to be nonsense (I checked out what they were saying later) to pressure me into signing up. I refused but they made me feel really, really shitty about it.

I e-mailed the charity (a big NGO) to complain about them and didn't get a response. I would never sign up to one of their direct debits and I'm now quite wary of charities that use them.

OP, I maybe wouldn't have sworn, but they are a curse.

shuffleballchange Sat 24-Nov-12 08:53:58

I always find a loud but polite "No Thank-you" works, chuggers are annoying but as mentioned before, they are just youngsters trying to earn a few quid.

Pixieonthemoor Sat 24-Nov-12 08:54:51

I loathe chuggers but YABU to swear, especially as you had already gone past.

blueemerald Sat 24-Nov-12 12:14:28

I think it's important to remember there's a big difference between screaming fuck off at a smily 17 year old chugger who happens to look your way and firmly but calmly saying fuck off to one who has launched themselves at your baby and then followed you down the road.

I don't think fuck off should be your first reaction to a chugger but if one follows me down the road then that's what will happen.

I'd rather someone signed on for job seekers allowance etc than signed up to do this horrible job. It's not about taking a job that the general public finds annoying, it's a job that many find morally repugnant and ethically bankrupt. I also believe it's possibly quite a damaging job for young people. Being constantly rejected is not good for anyone.

OldBagWantsNewBag Sat 24-Nov-12 13:14:39

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minibmw2010 Sat 24-Nov-12 13:37:56

Had one approach me this week while I was out with 'let's dance' (???!!!) so I just said 'let's not' and swerved around him with my pram. WTF did he think I'd say to that ???? grin

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blueemerald Sat 24-Nov-12 17:43:59

Yes, of course I'd rather. I'm stating my opinion. I know it may be hard for some people but I do really think that chugging should be done away with. It is at best morally dubious. Anyone who can get a job chugging (it's not actually that easy unless you are 17, blonde and female I know several articulate, bright, sparky men and non blonde/curvy women who have been rejected) can get a job in a call centre (I have lots of friends who have done this post 6th form or university) and then at least people can just put the phone down/not answer rather than be harassed down the street.

I suspect any 'success' from chugging is down to targeting vulnerable people in society anyway. My brother has Asperger's and he was brow-beaten and guilt tripped into signing up with Bliss by a chugger who lost their job after we complained. My brother suffered nightmares about dying babies for weeks afterwards and threatened to run away from home when we cancelled the direct debit.

LineRunner Sat 24-Nov-12 17:54:45

I think one of reasons I hate chugging with a passion is being interrupted whilst just quietly walking, having my space invaded, and having inane drivel said to me in my face, over and over again, whilst just trying to go to a shop.

I know I have become dismissive to the chuggers. I don't like becoming rude, but I know of no other way of running the gauntlet. So I hold up my hand to keep them away from me, and say 'No', and ignore them.

It's the same with cold callers at my house. If you ignore my clear sign, why are you surprised if I am dismissive in my response.

I really am fed up of being pestered by other people's shitty jobs. And I definitely do blame their organisations for giving them crappy instructions in the first place.

OldBagWantsNewBag Sat 24-Nov-12 18:12:24

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TheFarSide Sat 24-Nov-12 18:25:14

How old is your son OldBag? I heard from someone who works for the National Apprenticeship Service that there are a lot of vacancies on their website that they have trouble filling: www.apprenticeships.org.uk. The starting apprenticeship minimum wage is low but rises to at least minimum wage after the first year.

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Sleepyfergus Sat 24-Nov-12 19:02:13

YANBU. It's everywhere these days.
And if its not chuggers, it's people in my supermarket (Sainsburys) trying to get me to sign up to energy companies or their credit card. And then outside the supermarket, in the shopping centre, it's woman trying to thread my eyebrows at extorionate prices.

I hate it, and you always feel so bloody awful refusing to put money in buckets for charities. There was one outside my Boots the other day, shaking her bucket asking for donation s for 'children with cancer'. I had to walk past her twice pushing dd in her buggy. I ready give to a couple if charities us do stuff via work for others. But they don't know that.

We had chuggers at our door the other night. DH let them in, I was fuming (bath/pj time) and he signed up!! He'd mistakenly made a mistake with his account code by 1 digit, and they were back the next night to get it sorted. Right in the middle of our dinner at 8pm. The girl kept using my DHs first name, it just reminded me of a tacky sales persons job.

I guess it's tough, charities have to make money a d people are only doing their jobs, but nowhere is sacred anymore!

Itchywoolyjumper Sat 24-Nov-12 19:50:25

Me too Jambalaya, 2 of them followed me down the street when I was crying and a third one told me to fuck off when I didn't stop to talk to him (still crying). Now I just ask them if the charity has a website and tell them I'll donate through that. It's much cheaper than giving to the chuggers and they can't try and talk you into signing up with them without looking more interested in their comission than the charity.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Sat 24-Nov-12 20:53:59

I had one on my doorstep once, piling on the charm and telling me my neighbours had signed up to his Unicef stuff. He was trying to engaged children and get invited inside. So I felt guilty and signed. When he'd gone I thought 'wtf?' Was furious. So I kept an eagle eye on the bank account online and as soon as Unicef appeared in my direct debit list I cancelled it before it could take any money. I just got a letter in the post saying sorry they were losing me. I wish they'd phoned, I'd have told them what I thought of being conned into being mugged on my own doorstep.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Sat 24-Nov-12 20:55:29

Engage my children.

Bloody fat fingers.

fallingsun Sun 25-Nov-12 07:45:14

Oldbag - I live in Surrey too, I've seen lots of high street shops with signs hiring staff for Xmas - could be a good way for your ds to get some experience?m&s were definitely recruiting, as were several others smile

OldBagWantsNewBag Sun 25-Nov-12 11:42:44

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GrendelsMum Sun 25-Nov-12 12:34:20

Oldbag - well done to your son for doing that. Pleased it worked out for him.

SoupDragon Sun 25-Nov-12 12:41:27

Seriously? Your first thought was to say "fuck off" rather than "I'm not interested, sorry" confused

Our local council has brought in restrictions - no more than 3 individuals in the high street I think it is.

What I can't understand is that it was (and I assume therefore still is) illegal to be a street collector and shake your tin and/or approach people. You were only allowed to stand there and accept donations, you weren't allowed to make any approaches or 'disturb' people through rattling your tin.

Chugging should be made illegal. Far more disturbing than someone shaking a tin.

I say "I'm sorry, I don't sign up with chuggers" and walk faster.

Some indignantly say "I'm not a chugger" - "oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted me to sign up to donate to your charity" - "Erm..."

I agree that YWBU to swear at someone without first being polite. Walking along without responding isn't necessarily a "no", it might be a "hadn't noticed".

lovebunny Sun 25-Nov-12 13:26:31

she had no right to accost your baby and deserved everything she got.
chuggers are sometimes young people who haven't got another job - students or whatever. they're recruited by team leaders, often people they know from uni. they don't have much life experience so talking to a baby might seem like a valid way to get a mother's attention, or stopping an elderly person and pressurising them for their bank details might seem reasonable to them...
but the door-to-door one who walked right into my daughter's house, through the porch/vestibule into the hall, and wanted to argue with me about whether he was leaving or not - well, he didn't work for the charity named on his tabard and he managed to con the police... but he was potentially dangerous. what if she'd been home alone?

LineRunner Sun 25-Nov-12 13:28:20

You could have shouted Get away from her, you bitch!

That would be my ideal fancy dress outfit / act.

blueemerald Mon 26-Nov-12 17:06:10

Oldbag- I live in Lewisham, South London. I'll get some details for you. I'd also recommend TA work, as a male he will have an advantage there, especially at primary level or in special education, as long as he can stand kids! You don't need infinite vacancies- you need one, for your son.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Mon 26-Nov-12 17:25:12

One of good things about not working at the moment is not running the gauntlet of the awful chuggers every day. I used to hate it but I couldn't get from work to the station without going past them. I usually stick to "no" or "not interested" but think your woman sounded particularly pushy. Maybe "get out of my way" would be better than swearing but I can't really say I blame you.

EuroShagmore Mon 26-Nov-12 17:34:50

I hate these. They used to congregate outside my former office and I couldn't get a bloody sandwich without running the gauntlet of them! I have a particular hatred of them because the first one I ever encountered said I had lovely hair and asked where I got it cut (which gave me a lovely little lift on a bad day) and then ruined it all by starting his pitch.

I do the look right through them no eye contact thing that another poster mentioned. There is really nothing they can do with that.

OldBagWantsNewBag Mon 26-Nov-12 18:06:01

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GetAllTheThings Mon 26-Nov-12 18:08:24

Best response I've heard to chuggers was

' Oh yeah I already give to that charity '

nothing they can say to that.

Ginandtonicandamassageplease Mon 26-Nov-12 18:19:32

I've never heard the term chugger today but I love it! One really pissed me off today. My excuse was that I didn't have any change (which was true) and so he whipped out a portable machine and said "it's ok I take cards"!!!

complexnumber Mon 26-Nov-12 18:40:40

They can be very intimidating, though I do not really resent them.

There have been several ways of repelling them mentioned already, but the one that I use as it has no comeback is "I'm sorry, I don't pay UK taxes".

They are gone quicker than the smile drops from their lips

GrendelsMum Mon 26-Nov-12 19:01:34

Well, in honour of OldBag's son, I'm going to start up the 'love a chugger' movement. The next chuggers who stop me I shall be polite and friendly to.

Now of course they'll all have disappeared next time I go into town.

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