To be incensed by Knorr Stock Pots?

(193 Posts)
NairyHipples Thu 22-Nov-12 18:26:53

The amount of packaging (plastic, foil and paper) is shocking. It costs very little to boil some bones up with some old carrots and onions to make your own stock, so why do people buy them?
www.knorr.co.uk/Products/Knorr-Stock-Pots.aspx

soapnuts Thu 22-Nov-12 18:28:18

they are also ridiculously salty - I put one in a curry the other day (with no other added salt) and I ended up having to add a tub of creme fraiche to let down the saltiness! yuck - don't know what to do with the rest of the packet now.

PorkyScratching Thu 22-Nov-12 18:28:28

For the convenience.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 22-Nov-12 18:28:55

Incensed? By a pot of stock? You need to get out more. I could barely manage a 'meh' over a stock cube.

BeerTricksPott3r Thu 22-Nov-12 18:29:29

They're really, really handy.

I don't have old bones.

goralka Thu 22-Nov-12 18:29:55

funnily enough NairyHipples the ads for knorr stock pots are a major piss take in our house - the way the chef kind of places it reverently and cheffily into the pot right? when it's just a glorified oxo cube or something?

phantomnamechanger Thu 22-Nov-12 18:30:05

Er, I buy them cos they are tasty and quick - they go in soups, sauces, risotto (veggie ones so no bones anyway)- boiling up bones is something our grans might have had time for but I dont know a single busy mum who does it, except perhaps with a chicken to make soup.

For the ease. I don't have the time to make up stock as well as cook something like a risotto. The times I have made my own it's been a bit bland.

That said, the knorr ones ARE disgustingly salty. I did the product test for the new bisto ones and they're really nice.

I don't have time in my life to waste hanging around waiting for stock to boil.

And really, incensed? By stock?

I bloody love them but use sparingly in soups, stews etc.

Not all of us have the time or inclination to go boiling bones and carcasses hmm

YABU. I buy them and I cook most things from scratch- I just CBA making stock.
I agree they do have a lot of packaging but they are so handy to have in the cupboard and are IMHO superior to most stick cubes, plus they are gluten free.
Don't buy them if you don't want, instead revel in your smugness the money you are saving while you boil up your carcasses.

missymoomoomee Thu 22-Nov-12 18:32:34

grin the only old bones in this house are mine.

Crikeyblimey Thu 22-Nov-12 18:32:53

I have a perfect solution to your incensedness - don't buy them. Move on.

I do however have a long list of stuff you could get incensed about for me cos I don't have time to - you could do it whilst you watch the bones boil for bloody hours.

Startail Thu 22-Nov-12 18:33:26

Swiss bullion powder, one paper tub for loads of stock and just use as much or as little as tastes right.

Yes it is salty

expatinscotland Thu 22-Nov-12 18:33:56

They're so much more expensive than a stock cube and boiling water that I can't justify buying them.

The Bisto ones are bloody lovely grin

Ginandtonicandamassageplease Thu 22-Nov-12 18:34:37

Only incensed by the amount of salt in them - ruined my soup!

LadyMargolotta Thu 22-Nov-12 18:35:11

YANBU. They are disgusting.

BeerTricksPott3r Thu 22-Nov-12 18:35:13

You can get a reduced salt Swiss Bouillon tub. Not as meaty as a meat Stock pot though. Lovely for soups.

mrskeithrichards Thu 22-Nov-12 18:35:37

Where do you buy old bones anyway?

mumsfretter Thu 22-Nov-12 18:35:54

it's a stock cube of course it's salty! Just use half of one if you want and add some finely chopped celery.

We use boullion powder. Much nicer!

BeatTheClock Thu 22-Nov-12 18:36:51

Oh I like Knorr stock cubes (better than Oxo imho). Haven't tried the stock pots but keep meaning to despite annoying adverts with that argumentative bloke.

Make my own stock? Nah.

LadyMargolotta Thu 22-Nov-12 18:36:59

mumsfretter - the problem with the stock pots is that you can't really use half without wasting the other half.

goralka Thu 22-Nov-12 18:38:46

yes the Swiss bouillon powder is great and if you have a Polski Sklep nearby there's a Polish version called Vegeta.

Chandon Thu 22-Nov-12 18:39:35

Incensed by stock potts!
This is why I love MN!

You nutter,or are you joking?

maybenow Thu 22-Nov-12 18:40:44

Stock pots are FAR less salty than bullion powder or even stock cubes IMO.

We make stock when we have a whole chicken but that's not nearly often enough for all of our risotto, soup and other stock needs.

BeerTricksPott3r Thu 22-Nov-12 18:42:13

'stock needs' sounds quite glamorous, maybenow. I wish I had them <lazy>

WorraLiberty Thu 22-Nov-12 18:43:47

I've never known a home made stock not to be virtually tasteless

maybenow Thu 22-Nov-12 18:51:08

grin

NairyHipples Thu 22-Nov-12 18:54:13

Chandon I'm incensed by stock pots as they are the worst example of over-packaging. And am probably a nutter grin but wasn't joking

phantomnamechanger Thu 22-Nov-12 18:57:57

bought stock is very concentrated - homemade stock you have a great big pan of water with a bit of onion and carrot and seasoning and some old bones if you happen to have some lying around. but it tastes like water, or very very weak veg soup

stock cubes/pots, you have to be a bit careful your final dish does not end up too salty, but yes you can use just half if thats all you need to get the flavour. they keep fine - cubes just rewrapped, stock pot jelly ones go in the fridge. no trouble.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Thu 22-Nov-12 19:00:23

I like them. And we make stock too when we have the time.

socharlotte Thu 22-Nov-12 19:18:10

Yes but what about the energy you are using boilng up your own bones and carrots?

katykoo Thu 22-Nov-12 19:23:39

Tried them because they were on special offer and they are advertised by some famous chef who apparently knows what he's doing but found them so salty, they ruined my stew !

GrimmaTheNome Thu 22-Nov-12 19:24:38

I can't add much salt to my cooking (DH, sodium sensitive high BP)....most things taste fine without any stock at all so long as you've got good tasty stuff in there. I do have a tub of low-sodium Marigold powder but it gets a bit samey so recently I've started using a bit of umami paste (glass jar, lots of teaspoonfulls therein, recycle bin)

GlitKnit Thu 22-Nov-12 19:29:37

i LOVE them i havent time to boil bones you freak

GlitKnit Thu 22-Nov-12 19:30:00

lol at " incensed by stock"

WorraLiberty Thu 22-Nov-12 19:31:50

Yes but what about the energy you are using boilng up your own bones and carrots?

<< Shudders at the thought of boiling my own bones >>

katykuns Thu 22-Nov-12 19:34:52

I love the stock pots, although Bisto ones are nicer. They make super lush gravy grin

NairyHipples Thu 22-Nov-12 19:35:16

socharlotte the cost of gas used to boil up some bones and veg is nothing compared to the cost of producing plastic, foil and paper packaging (and recycling it)

Selks Thu 22-Nov-12 19:37:04

Kallo low salt stock cubes for me, or home made stock when I can be arsed.

GlitKnit Thu 22-Nov-12 19:38:52

op why dont you wind ye olde beak in and find something more worthy to worry about

Woozley Thu 22-Nov-12 19:39:24

Seriously? I think they are appropriately packaged. I don't think you could put solidfied stock in a paper bag. The box can be recycled. In fact I'm not sure but maybe the plastic pots could be too with my local authority, they do recycle some plastic. I'm sure a lot of packaging can be improved environmentally speaking but it's far from the worst culprit.

MaMaPo Thu 22-Nov-12 19:41:07

I love them. Don't find them too salty at all.

OP, are you also incensed that they sell ready made sliced bread? Baking bread is about as hard and time consuming as making stock, plus you barely need any ingredients.

Woozley Thu 22-Nov-12 19:41:32

I've tried making home made chicken stock three times, it was one of the most disgusting things I've ever made. I certainly wouldn't cook with it.

GlitKnit Thu 22-Nov-12 19:42:28

me too and am huge food snob

home made stock tastes shit

Woozley Thu 22-Nov-12 19:42:43

Plus the fact I often just buy chicken breasts as the rest of my family will only eat breast meat.

KellyMarieTunstall Thu 22-Nov-12 19:44:57

Sometimes I just want a small amount of gravy and I want it to be just like the gravy you get in a Carvery.

I havent yet used stock pots but they are in the shopping list . Should I give them a miss then. It looks so easy on the advert.

HoolioHallio Thu 22-Nov-12 19:46:46

On offer in Tesco last week wink Stocked up on all varieties grin

<Runs before OP disembowels me with a chicken leg>

Woozley Thu 22-Nov-12 19:46:51

I get Knorr stock cubes more frequently though I have to say as they are better value for money.

NairyHipples Thu 22-Nov-12 19:47:55

MaMaPo Baking your own bread is seriously time-consuming. Making your own stock isn't - you just chuck in a saucepan and leave it

agedknees Thu 22-Nov-12 19:49:10

I don't think you can be incensed by a stock pot. You can probably be infused by one though.

giraffe213 Thu 22-Nov-12 19:51:08

They're expensive but tastier than normal stock cubes, for a treat (to put in Christmas day gravy, for me). I thought they were less salty than the cubes - I'm happy to use them diluted as instructed and I use way less salt in my cooking than most of my friends.

As for the packaging, I'm not sure how it could be improved given they are jelly. The plastic pot and cardboard box can both be recycled in my area, so it's just the little bit of foil on top that goes in the bin.

GlitKnit Thu 22-Nov-12 19:51:40

i dont HAVE BONES

i have a bloody job instead

BrianButterfield Thu 22-Nov-12 19:51:44

Knorr cubes are horribly salty too, IMO. The Kallo ones are the best.

goralka Thu 22-Nov-12 19:56:00

well my home-made chicken stock is delish.....so ner

Woozley Thu 22-Nov-12 19:57:03

I like a bit of salt. They are not salty at all in the context of one used in a meal for four + people but I will usually not use any more salt if I use a stock cube. It works out as 1g or less of salt per person so not bad at all for a main meal.

GlitKnit Thu 22-Nov-12 19:57:32

I LOVE SALT

dementedma Thu 22-Nov-12 19:57:47

I don't find them salty and they are relish in soup.they are by far the nicest stock "cubes". I prefer them to any other

Nancy66 Thu 22-Nov-12 19:58:55

I use them all the time.

piss easy and cubes never dissolve properly

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Thu 22-Nov-12 20:09:50

I like the Heinz low-salt baby stock cubes.

My home-made stock had nuclear yellow scum on it hmm

SoleSource Thu 22-Nov-12 20:17:49

I was soo incensed by my packet of Knorr stock pots, I called the police. They are currently in Broadmoor.

GlitKnit Thu 22-Nov-12 20:18:25

i think they need to go on the sex offenders register

SoleSource Thu 22-Nov-12 20:21:21

Lol Gilt. Did they give you orgasms?

NairyHipples Thu 22-Nov-12 20:30:29

Glitknit i LOVE them i havent time to boil bones you freak
I don't think I'm particularly freakish trying to provide a decent meal on a budget

giraffe213 Thu 22-Nov-12 20:36:52

How does the cost of a few stock cubes (or even stock pots from Broadmoor?) compare with the gas/electricity required to make the same amount of stock from scratch? Does anyone know?

MaMaPo Thu 22-Nov-12 20:36:52

OP - bread making - ur doing it wrong. I can do it faster than making stock, especially the clean up. Getting rid of chicken carcasses and soggy veggies - gross. Whip together some tasty bread - delicious. Homemade bread > homemade stock.

SoleSource Thu 22-Nov-12 20:37:18

I use Bisto granules

<dirty salt addict>

ivykaty44 Thu 22-Nov-12 20:40:44

How much bullion powder are you putting in with a pint of water? I use a teaspoon per pint and don't find that to salty - I never add salt to cooking out of habit.

BegoniaBampot Thu 22-Nov-12 20:41:09

I've tried my own stock about three times, never used it, it looks disgusting.

Someone give us their foolproof home made stock recipe. And none of this you just bung some bones, carrot and water in a pot crap.

NairyHipples Thu 22-Nov-12 20:42:55

MaMapo how do you make bread in under an hour?

BegoniaBampot Thu 22-Nov-12 20:45:05

Soda bread is fast and relatively easy.

Himalaya Thu 22-Nov-12 20:47:49

Stock pots seem like one of those innovations like toothbrushes that look like they are made by Nasa, liquid soap dispensers instead of bars and custard in a carton that seem to be designed to get us to pay 3x the price for the same product in a new format.

I can't quite get insensed about it, but I see your point in the packaging OP.

I do like having birds custard powder, oxo cubes, golden syrup and colemans mustard etc... In the cupboard - it looks like a museum display!

Boiling bones. No. Life's too short and marigold powder works fine.

MsElleTow Thu 22-Nov-12 20:54:52

I use them in my soups. I put one chicken one per litre of water in my Minestrone last night, bloody lovely it was.

I can't see how anyone is incensed by a stock cube! confused. Surely people get incensed by the fact that people can't afford to both heat their houses and eat ATM, or by the ridiculous price of petrol or the benefit cuts? Not by a fecking stock cube! hmm

AnnaRack Thu 22-Nov-12 20:55:48

Prefer to make my own, but Kallo Organic are my favourite ready made cubes.Think liquid stock is a waste of money as you're paying for water. Kallo are less salt y than other make s.

MissCellania Thu 22-Nov-12 20:55:55

It doesn't take hardly any time to make bread. Sure you have to leave it to rise, but you aren't involved in that bit, so that doesn't count. The active effort is very small. Not like all that chopping and cleaning up after stock. And how do you store it anyway?

ivykaty44 Thu 22-Nov-12 21:05:01

There is a lot more salt in ready made/supermarket bread than there is in homemade

NairyHipples Thu 22-Nov-12 21:08:57

I guess I'm more incensed by the packaging (not just Knoor Stock Cubes) whilst having the 'Reduce, Reuse, Recycle' message rammed down our throats by Local/District Councils who are unable to provide recycling facilties

So how would you package them then?

BegoniaBampot Thu 22-Nov-12 22:00:30

Now packaging and waste in general DOES incense me. Do we need all that fucking plastic and shit!

notso Thu 22-Nov-12 22:37:17

I love them, they taste delicious and are nearly always on offer somewhere.

I do often make my own stocks but I don't always have a plentiful supply of bones (who does?) for the meals I would use the stock pots for.
I also find unless you can get really good quality meat or don't mind using offal homemade stocks can be bland and not really worth the effort.

LadyMargolotta Fri 23-Nov-12 06:55:30

I have NEVER made my own stock. And while I can buy stock cubes, I never will.

nowahousewife Fri 23-Nov-12 07:05:45

These stockpots are v salty, used one and threw the others away - now that is a real waste of packaging grin

Homemade chicken stock or Kallo stock cubes here, always homemade stock for gravy, cubes are for soups, cassseroles etc. I also have a pack of the old fashioned Bisto powder (not granules) for thickening and colouring the stock for gravy if it is a meal that doesn't produce meat juices such as toad in the hole, but you have to use sparingly otherwise that is too salty too.

SantasComingFace Fri 23-Nov-12 07:34:15

I have 8 packets in my cupboard at the minute as they were on offer in tesco. I like them and don't find them too salty. They make brilliant gravy!

Stinkyminkymoo Fri 23-Nov-12 07:39:03

YANBU.

They are waaaaaaay too salty.

I like to make my own chicken stock, but if I haven't, I love squeezey Oxo tubes. You can control the amount better for flavouring and it has a better taste.

Win/win for me smile

EIizaDay Fri 23-Nov-12 07:39:52
Stinkyminkymoo Fri 23-Nov-12 07:40:42

WhoKnows, I have an excellent onion gravy for toad, it's a Jamie Oliver one. Can share if you want!

SantasComingFace Fri 23-Nov-12 07:55:47

stinky could I have it too please, I'm making toad today and always struggle with homemade gravy if I don't have a joint of meat blush

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 08:54:16

Stinky Is your onion gravy veggie? I have to make toad with veggie sausages

Icelollycraving Fri 23-Nov-12 09:16:16

I use them,don't find them salty but I love salt so my palate is probably a bit desensitised. I find the fresh stock (I buy the chicken & beef) from waitrose very good.

Icelollycraving Fri 23-Nov-12 09:16:41

Plus the smell of boiling bones is grim.

sausagesandwich34 Fri 23-Nov-12 09:21:49

I can't remember the last time I bought a piece of meat on the bone?

I very rarely buy a whole chicken, no one likes the dark meat other than the cat so it tends to go to waste

we are pretty much 50/50 veggie anyway so only eat meat 3/4 times a week

do make my own fish stock though for fish pie -mmmm fish pie!

OatyBeatie Fri 23-Nov-12 09:22:12

Incensed is putting it strongly, but they are made out of salt and slime and are disgusting. I use bog standard stock cubes happily, but having tried them once I would never use those Knorr things again.

2muchxmaspud Fri 23-Nov-12 09:26:39

When I have time I make my own stock and ADD salt for a bit more flavour. The knorr stock pots are a time savers, less hassle, less stink and scum and taste better if I'm honest. So shoot me now for pfefering ready made more package quick pots.

The empty pots usually go to nursery with DS anyway for them to make things with along with milk cartons. I don't have rhe space for a cow in my fridge...

Stinky - thanks, we have tried that one and didn't really like it. We do however love his get ahead for Christmas gravy but that is a lot more work.

I regularly cook chickens in the slow cooker, with a few onions, herbs and a bit of flour, it makes its own gravy, then make another lot of stock afterwards with the carcass and any left over gravy, so we usually have some in the freezer. Or, cook a big batch of chicken wings in the SC in the same way to get the gravy for freezing, then finish them off in a hot oven for 20 mins to crisp up as delicious nibbles for a Saturday evening treat.

Caramelised onion chutney is a great cheat ingredient for gravy.

DumSpiroSpero Fri 23-Nov-12 09:29:54

They are great.

Making your own stock is also a good thing, but since joints for roast dinners are so bloody expensive, I rarely have anything in the house that I could make it from.

So ready made it is then!

Lonecatwithkitten Fri 23-Nov-12 09:37:47

Single mum working full time running own business so no time to make stock. If you have the right recycling facilities you can recycle everything, but the stock pot lid.

Trills Fri 23-Nov-12 09:38:44

YABVU to be incensed by any food item.

It costs very little to boil some bones up with some old carrots and onions to make your own stock, so why do people buy them?

Because they taste nicer than stock I make myself and are cheaper (because I don't tend to have "old bones" knocking about)

Pancakeflipper Fri 23-Nov-12 09:45:46

Ooooh a stock cube debate...

Well we now use the Kallo ones because they are dairy-free.
Packaging is not extreme, bit of foil and a small cardboard box.
They claim to be organic but who is going to challenge that? well Nairy might cos she is so passionate on her stock

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 10:31:28

Pancakeflipper I use stock cubes too! It's just I prefer to make my own if I've got any bones from the Sunday roast. Never make my own vegetable stock though, it's foul

ChestnutsRoastingonaWitchesTit Fri 23-Nov-12 10:37:03

The beef ones are amazing! Really rich and tasty

fuzzysnout Fri 23-Nov-12 11:44:04

'old bones' 'incensed' ....
Are you ruddy faced cook Mrs Patmore from Downton Abbey OP?

prettybird Fri 23-Nov-12 11:49:59

I like the bottles of Knorr stock - can use how much or how little I want and not be faffed with the packaging (and cost hmm) of the Stock Pots.

I also make chicken stock myself every time I have a roast chicken - but we make chicken noodle soup every week (ds' new favourite and a nice easy and cheap option for the night he's out at rugby training) and I don't have roast chicken on a weekly basis grin

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 11:53:31

No fuzzy but I might be Clarissa Dickson Wright wink

gotthemoononastick Fri 23-Nov-12 11:54:34

Love them....AND...Marco Pierre says I must use them!!!

SoleSource Fri 23-Nov-12 12:11:53

Knorr stock pots are £1 per pack. Four pots in each pack. Co - Op supermarket. I have chicken flavour smile

StiffyByng Fri 23-Nov-12 13:08:10

We make stock when we have the chance, but we don't end up with bones often, so we need extra stock, and the stock pots are decent quality.

Christmas Day/special gravies are made from scratch, with giblets etc., and we spend hours over them.

Woozley Fri 23-Nov-12 14:34:19

I thought there were 6 or 8 in the pack actually.

valiumredhead Fri 23-Nov-12 14:48:43

They are SO much nicer than Bouillon powder stuff - blerk.

And they are cheap as they are on offer a lot in Tesco so a quid for 6 or 8 pots is not bad at all.

I often make my owns stock and gravy etc but they are very handy.

so basically you are talking bollocks

SoleSource Fri 23-Nov-12 15:57:46

Yeah Woozley therer are 6 or 8 in packs of stock, sorry
The gravy knorr pots are 4

Trills Fri 23-Nov-12 15:59:41

Some packs have 4, some have 8.

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 16:00:48

I've not tried them. I assume the difference between them and cubes or powders is the gelatine (or whatever it is) that you get from proper bony stock you make yourself?

fwiw I think most homemade stock is a bit rubbish. Chicken is fine, but dark stocks? Does anyone actually do that? Roasting bones and onion skins? It utterly reeks.

I used to like the non-organic Kallo but nobody seems the stock (arf) it anymore. The Organic is OK but the other stuff was better.

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 16:01:48

Knorr Pot au Feu cubes brought home from France are good. Salty, but good. IMO.

Oblomov Fri 23-Nov-12 16:04:52

I find them generally too salty and have ended up buying a pot of stock from sainsburys.

Dogsmom Fri 23-Nov-12 16:11:13

I don't think the packaging is excessive, or am I thinking of the wrong thing?

I thought they were a couple of little pots with foil peel off lids wrapped in a sleeve of cardboard? I don't see how they could lessen it really, surely it's all recyclable too?

FivesAndNorks Fri 23-Nov-12 16:14:34

Who has old bones lying around just when you need them?
Aha, here's those bones from that chicken we had 2 weeks ago, so glad I never got round to clearing them up.

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 16:18:13

Fives (not that I ever do) but you can freeze bones if you don't want to make stock with them there and then, or make the stock and freeze that.

You can also get them from butchers. Our local Morissons sell them for pennies (you used to e able to get them for free iirc).

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 16:18:48

StiffyByng Christmas day gravy is the best! Giblet stock, meat juices, port and redcurrant jelly. Takes forever but it is so worth it. Dog loves it too, as she gets to eat the giblets afterward smile

I don't keep the bones lying around, just do the stock the same evening after dinner and freeze it. I only do chicken though.

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 16:33:32

FivesAndNorks Who has old bones lying around just when you need them?

I do, I save them blush

<slopes off to sniff festering chicken carcass at back of fridge>

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 16:35:30

Nairy you minger grin

What about beef stock? Do you make that?

FivesAndNorks Fri 23-Nov-12 16:35:59

I have entered a strange new world inhabited by people who actually cook.

I had no idea gravy wasn't as a rule made from granules until I was an adult.

GrimmaTheNome Fri 23-Nov-12 16:38:16

Our local farm shop (which is mainly a butchery) gives away big bags of bones 'for stock or dogs'. I get them and freeze them for the dog - simply not convinced that stock makes such a difference to most dishes. If its got meat in anyway, how much difference does meat stock really make? If you want celery or onion taste put some in.

Of course there's a few things like French Onion soup which need proper stock, I can't imagine using stock cubes for that being anything other than horrid.

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Fri 23-Nov-12 16:42:07

Well, it is not like you can smoke it.

And neither will you be able to put it alight, for a nice scent.

fnaaarrrr "incensed"

prettybird Fri 23-Nov-12 16:58:39

It was an absolute pain during the height of the BSE concerns.

Then I found out that butchers would supply you with bones for the dog wink if you asked nicely and they knew and trusted you.

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 23-Nov-12 17:00:05

lol, it's just so easy to make your own stock that tastes shocking and uses up all your freezer space. Why don't we all do it

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 17:05:07

Jenai Am beginning to think I am somewhat minging grin I make beef and lamb stock from old bones too after the dog has finished with them

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 17:55:37

FunnyInLaJardin lol, it's just so easy to make your own stock that tastes shocking and uses up all your freezer space. Why don't we all do it

Erm, because it doesn't take shocking, saves money, uses up food that might otherwise go to waste, reduces packaging that might go to landfill, you know what you're eating and makes your food taste good? One chicken carcass = approx one litre of stock, so doesn't take up that much room in your freezer.

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 18:09:49

<makes point of declining risotto at Nairy's house> wink

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 18:13:52

I do approve of your incensedness. I feel the same about liquid handwash, tinned coconut milk (solid creamed coconut is far superior and less dear) and (not remotely controversially) mineral water.

It's all such a waste of resources, mainly in the transportation.

I should probably eschew Baxters soups in favour of Cup-a-Soup in that case (I won't).

MousyMouse Fri 23-Nov-12 18:18:38

I don't like the knorr jelly cubes, too salty for my taste.
the kallo cubes and marigold powder are nice. occasionally use oxo cubes.

I get bones from the butcher round the corner for nothing. Saves him chucking them. But then I like that kind of faux self-sufficiency.

OP is NBU about the fucking ridiculous overpackaging of certain foods in this country, although I do think we are getting better. Black plastic is my bugbear as it automatically can't be recycled. Can it really not be blue or green or white?

OP YABU about the general stock issue though, obviously.

MousyMouse Fri 23-Nov-12 18:29:54

agree about the packaging, though.
not only on stock cubes. compostable wrapping for most things would be nice (if packaging is neccessary at all).

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 18:43:50

I keep meaning to write to Waitrose about black plastic trays, but I'm waiting for someone else to do so instead grin We can recycle most things here, but not that.

LadySybilPussPolham Fri 23-Nov-12 18:46:09

BOUILLON
Not Boullion
Definitely not Bullion!

Feel better now grin

Kallo cubes here btw

RosemaryHoyt Fri 23-Nov-12 18:52:50

Ahhh sod off with yer stock making, you domestically, frugally, super mum esque individual. Am a stock cube user, AND PROUD!

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 19:11:31

horatia I do that faux self-sufficiency thing too - I get an inordinant amount of pleasure picking blackberries and apples and cadging free bones from the butcher.
Am confused about black plastic though...can't think of any food products that come in black plastic?

LaFataTurchina Fri 23-Nov-12 19:15:56

Bouillion made my lips blister the one time I've tried it confused

I like the dry knorr stock cubes.

I have no desire to boil up old bones whatsoever.

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 19:25:29

Jenai Hadn't thought about liquid soap <adds Wright's Coal Tar to shopping list>
Love solid creamed coconut and you're right about transportation costs of 'Mineral Water'

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 19:29:56

Booo WEEEEE On(silent N) Lady. BooooWEEEOHn.

cruxible Fri 23-Nov-12 19:36:16

I am also waiting for someone else to write to waitrose re black plastic!

Boiling bones makes your house smell like a tropical abattoir & makes me wretch.

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 19:39:00

Booo Eeee Yong (silent ng)

BarbarianMum Fri 23-Nov-12 19:41:07

You are so, so unreasonable.

They have no gluten and no celery in them. Do you have any idea how rare thAT IS IN A STOCK CUBE? dO YOU?

(so enraged I have started to randomly capitalise).

If you only use your own stock you either use very little, or spend your whole life boiling bones.

Totally agrees op, I used to get the knorr bottles which were great cause you could vary how much you used now they don't do them

prettybird Fri 23-Nov-12 19:53:31

Youseveredhead - after a gap and a special but successful trip to Tesco I noticed yesterday that Sainsbury's had the Knorr chicken stock bottles back in stock smile

Do I need to be stockpiling? Didn't buy as I'd only just started the bottle from Tesco.

If they have discontinued, I will revert to the Knorr stock cubes.

MIL swears by the Kosher chicken stock powder (can't remember the brand but you can get it in the "Foods of the World" aisle in Sainsbury's) - might give it a go.

NairyHipples Fri 23-Nov-12 19:54:02

Barbarian Why are you shouting? My post was about the cost and packaging, not the ingredients!

BarbarianMum Fri 23-Nov-12 20:15:26

I was "shouting" because I'd accidentally hit the caps lock key on the computer, then couldn't be bothered to retype.

There was also meant to be a winking face next to it - no idea where that went. Sorry blush.

JenaiMathis Fri 23-Nov-12 20:21:54

I like shouting. If I was bothered about FUCKING CELERY I'd shout too.

Nairy has given the definitive bouillon pronunciation.

FastidiaBlueberry Fri 23-Nov-12 20:34:43

No YANBU

Your incensedness has provided an excellent stock discussion.

grin

BarbarianMum Fri 23-Nov-12 20:39:02

Well yes, celery and I fell out a few years ago now. About the time it tried to kill ds1 I think, although tbh it had been on thin ice for a number of years due to stringyness and general lack of taste.

Nevertheless I don't generally shout at people about it, however much they attack my choice of stock.

ethelb Fri 23-Nov-12 20:48:30

I make my own stock and roasting bones and simmering for 8 hours is definitely more expensive.

hallgreenmiss Fri 31-May-13 21:20:04

Try stock granules. They're less salty and you control the amount you use.

fuzzpig Fri 31-May-13 21:44:50

Tried some when cooking at my mum's, pleased they are gluten free as a lot of granules aren't. Will probably get them in future. <shrug>

MalcolmTuckersMum Fri 31-May-13 21:49:42

You'll all have to trust me on this one - but This and others in the range (unavailable in UK except from this website) (and how happy was I to find this?!) are quite simply THE best stock products. Believe me. Please.

tethersend Fri 31-May-13 21:50:23

Zombie thread.

<boils zombie>

MalcolmTuckersMum Fri 31-May-13 21:52:32

Shitting bollocks! I don't normally fall for zombies. [thick]

sweetestcup Fri 31-May-13 22:00:02

hallgreenmiss what in the name of god were you searching for when you managed to unearth a 6 month thread about...stockcubes of all things!

Charlesroi Fri 31-May-13 22:05:10

funnily enough NairyHipples the ads for knorr stock pots are a major piss take in our house - the way the chef kind of places it reverently and cheffily into the pot right? when it's just a glorified oxo cube or something?

Couldn't agree more. And they bloody simper into the camera while placing said glorified oxo cube on a pot of stew. Bastards.

quoteunquote Fri 31-May-13 22:28:11

Our butchers give us as many venison and beef bones as we want for a donation in the charity box,

this is more or less the way we do it

I just bung it in the bottom of the oven when it on for other cooking, then massive pan onion, celery carrots, anything that needs using up herbs, pepper, freeze it, use as needed, yum, really easy.

great for french onion soup.

I don't do bones (vegetarian) and all the vegetable trimmings except potatoes and onions/leeks go into the guinea-pigs.

And NO I haven't considered boiling the guinea-pigs up for stock too fatty

xylem8 Sat 01-Jun-13 10:21:56

Knorr stock points are way less salty than oxo cubes.Just check the nutritional information on the back!

Triumphoveradversity Sat 01-Jun-13 11:17:47

My butcher gives away bones, love him.
I think guinea pigs tend to be barbecued, I have had the misfortune of seeing a photo of a holiday in South America that a temp of ours went on and yes he ate one.

schnarf Sun 19-Jan-14 21:43:19

Knorr stock post are sh1t, in fact, all are crap. Look at the ingredients, 1-3% actual stock, it's just salt and flavourings. Gravy powder has more stock, total rip off. You think because it's a pocket of gel it's concentrated stock, total BS. It's just gelatin.Chefs adding their name to this crap should be ashamed.

DrNick Sun 19-Jan-14 21:45:35

after SIX MONTHS you come on a thread to say that?

i love em

WitchWay Sun 19-Jan-14 21:54:12

I hate the advert with the slimy chef with the greasy-looking hair - urgh - puts me off buying them. I do use Knorr stock cubes though.

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 19-Jan-14 22:03:35

Zombie thread.
About stock.
Why?

Not just a zombie thread but a double zombie thread
Someone must have issues with stock

WitchWay Sun 19-Jan-14 22:10:32

Oh yes, a zombie - I hadn't realised

DrNick Sun 19-Jan-14 22:11:46

but why are oyu LOOKING for a thread about anger and stock?

Caitlin17 Sun 19-Jan-14 22:13:06

I've never made a soup with a home made stock which was noticeably better than one made with any of the shop bought options. It's an utter waste of time and it stinks.

Scarletohello Mon 20-Jan-14 01:38:40

Loving this thread! Never knew there was so much entertainment to be for out of a stock cube

It's so contentious it'll be in the Daily Fail next...

Favourite line, I don't keep old bones lying about.

Fwiw I made a lovely mushroom risotto with my home made chicken stock yesterday. 'twas lovely

< do have those other naughty stock pots tho. Can't face boiling a cow >

KareKare Mon 20-Jan-14 01:45:53

Lol at 'why are you looking for a thread about anger and stock'!

BillyNotQuiteNoMates Mon 20-Jan-14 01:51:28

Now I like the stock pots but why can't you get LAMB ones? I can't get any convenient lamb stock, and I can't make my own stock from the bones because I want the gravy to go with the lamb I've just cooked, and I don't have room in my freezer to store a couple of litres of stock for a few months, as we don't (can't afford to ) eat lamb very often.

LittleBabyPigsus Mon 20-Jan-14 02:37:09

Billy knorr do a lamb stock cube. Not tried it mind. They also do a ham stock cube which is v nice in soup though.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates Mon 20-Jan-14 02:41:31

Our local supermarket don't stock it sad (note the unintentional pun!) I thought I had seen one brand some time ago - might need to ask them to get them back in!
Struggling to cope with the idea of being on mumsnet at 5am, discussing stock cubes while holidaying in Kenya! grin too hot to sleep

CouthyMow Mon 20-Jan-14 02:51:51

The Bisto ones are lovely. Another converted tester here. And no, I don't have the time, effort or physical ability (mobility problems) to stand and make my own stock as well as cook dinner. One or the other.

Knorr stock pots, on the other hand, are ridiculously salty and yuk in comparison.

vvviola Mon 20-Jan-14 03:24:21

The only thing that incenses me about them is that they've got sodding milk in them like pretty much every other stock cube out there, apart from the ones that are more chemical than stock

I'm having to make my own stock now, or avoid using it altogether.

sodding allergies

BillyNotQuiteNoMates Mon 20-Jan-14 03:37:08

VViola I noticed the other day that popping candy contains milk! What's that about?

vvviola Mon 20-Jan-14 03:45:11

It's a conspiracy to make my life a misery and prevent my DD2 eating anything nice ever

or probably something to do with creaminess or taste enhancement or something

There's dairy in the strangest things. Including strawberry flavouring, that chopped cooked chicken you can buy, and salt and vinegar crisps.

nooka Mon 20-Jan-14 04:04:19

If you need to make stock and find it a smelly hassle I recommend a pressure cooker. Much shorter, the smell is contained and it tastes better too. I only really make chicken stock, stick spare bones in the deep freeze and then when I have lots it takes about an hour in the pressure cooker. Very little effort.

LittleBabyPigsus Mon 20-Jan-14 04:08:38

My best friend got an electronic combi pressure cooker/slow cooker/rice cooker/steamer from QVC and it's changed her life. I'm very tempted.

Onesiegoddess Mon 20-Jan-14 06:15:42

Give me bouillon or Kallo any day

Ev1lEdna Mon 20-Jan-14 10:29:27

I do make my own stock but even doing that isn't enough for everything I want to make - should I be buying chickens etc expressly for stock? A silly idea, these things are for convenience at a time when most people have to work. I'll bear in mind the high salt in the Knorr ones though.

flatpackhamster Mon 20-Jan-14 11:37:32

Ev1lEdna
I do make my own stock but even doing that isn't enough for everything I want to make - should I be buying chickens etc expressly for stock? A silly idea, these things are for convenience at a time when most people have to work. I'll bear in mind the high salt in the Knorr ones though.

If you've got a local butchers I expect he'd be happy for you to take some carcasses and bones off his hands.

OOAOML Mon 20-Jan-14 11:45:14

I don't use them but do use stock cubes etc. I have made my own stock - but finding the time to let it simmer for hours without leaving the gas on whilst I go out/to bed etc, then finding room in our small fridge to let it settle overnight before taking the fat layer out etc are quite a lot of work. If I had loads of spare time and a big fridge I might feel differently.

gotthemoononastick Mon 20-Jan-14 11:55:58

Witchway...wash out your mouth!!This is the fab Marco Pierre White!If he told me to put frogspawn into soup I would run and do it!

Mintyy Mon 20-Jan-14 11:58:15

Oh fgs honestly! Who can be arsed to make stock every single time you need some.

PurpleSprout Mon 20-Jan-14 12:19:29

I don't buy them because I think they're shit, but I do think YABU.

Kallo stock cubes here usually.

Occasionally I boil down a chicken (did yesterday), but it does take an age.

I never buy beef on the bone, so not sure how I'd go about making beef stock as I'm disinclined to beg bones off the butcher. Plus, you need to make the stock at the weekend (or I do if I'm working) and then I need to bloody store it - bloody faff! Kallo cubes - nice and easy grin

Ev1lEdna Mon 20-Jan-14 12:31:49

Thanks flatpack you may be right, the local butchers is heaving on a Saturday when I am able to go but I might ask him next time. Time is a factor too I'm afraid, when I make stock it tends to be weekends I have no work on (so not every weekend) same time I batch cook. I honestly wouldn't have time to make stock for every instance that I use it.

I do make it, but it isn't something I have the time or inclination for as frequently as I'd need it.

KatnipEvergreen Mon 20-Jan-14 12:37:16

I think the chicken one is good. I have tried to make chicken stock, twice and it was absolutely awful and had to be thrown out. I don't add any extra salt, and between 4 people (plus extra portions for freezing) it isn't very much salt. Plus the fact I have low blood pressure and run/gym 4 times a week. I could do with a bit of salt.

Mostly I use the regular Knorr or Oxo cubes. I don't have the space to store litres of different home made stock all the time.

Jeez, I think I deserve a bloody medal for cooking a variety of healthy meals for four people from scratch nearly all the time that my 8 and 4 year old will eat (who are exactly the right weight they ought to be, concentrate and are well-behaved at school, sleep well and don't have dental problems) and on two days a week making separate things for me as well for the Fast Diet.

Incensed? I think I ought to be for being berated for nothing at all. Life is not a competition to see who can knit the most lentils. I love lentils by the way. FUCK OFF.

Crowler Mon 20-Jan-14 12:51:16

Jeez. I consider myself a cook but I draw the line at making stock, and when people say "oh I just bung some old bones and carrot and onion and a bay leaf in a pot" I assume that they are smug/lying.

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