To hate tummy time?

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FrillyMummy Mon 19-Nov-12 19:21:19

My LO is 10 weeks old and every time I pop her on her tummy, she screams. I have pretty much given up on it now. I have her on my chest and on my shoulder where she gets to lift her head, but a few people have been v surprised that I'm not doing 'proper' (whatever that is) tummy time. She'll be ok though, right? I don't see many kids walking round who can't hold their heads up!

BertieBotts Mon 19-Nov-12 19:24:55

Time on your chest or in a sling (as long as not a lying down position) counts as tummy time, so don't worry.

BertieBotts Mon 19-Nov-12 19:26:35

It is quite important though apparently for wrist strength or something? That's why it's been recommended since they started recommending back sleeping. But it doesn't have to be on the floor if your baby doesn't like it.

gastrognome Mon 19-Nov-12 19:26:53

I think tummy time is a load of codswallop to be honest!

It's fine if your child enjoys it, as my DD2 did - would love to be on her tum, rolling about, lifting her head up, wriggling around etc.

But if your baby hates it there's not much you can do. DD1 hated it and I don't think we managed more than about five minutes total. She would just lie there yelling with her face smooshed on the floor.

She still learned to hold her head up, roll over, sit up, walk, etc. with no apparent ill effects.

mrskeithrichards Mon 19-Nov-12 19:27:56

What nonsense. You're right, schools aren't full of kids with floppy heads because they weren't given tummy time. Don't stress just make sure baby isn't lying flat all day every day.

I was told if you sit on the floor with your knees up in a reverse 'V' then put the baby tummy down on your thighs with its head peeking over your knees then that counts as tummy time; but they enjoy it more (possibly) because they're higher up & can see what's going on around.

gastrognome Mon 19-Nov-12 19:28:35

bertiebotts I didn't know just being upright counted - that's interesting. DD1 was always in the sling with me when tiny, so perhaps that did help her after all.

BikeRunSki Mon 19-Nov-12 19:30:29

DS loved it.
DD hated it.
DD walked youngest and at 13 months has probably picked up a pen to scribble more times than DS at 4.

FobblyWoof Mon 19-Nov-12 19:30:31

My DD was the same, dried every single time and just got so frustrated that we rarely did tummy time. But she was rolling by 3 months, rolling back over by four and a half and built up her strength quickly to commando crawl and then properly crawl. I think tummy time is really good if baby enjoys it, if not, don't worry too much

EasilyBored Mon 19-Nov-12 19:32:18

I'm sure someone once told me that all the talk of the importance of tummy time now, is to counteract the fact that people often leave their babies in swings/bouncy seats and car seats so much. If she's upright a lot and generally in a variety of positions, I wouldn't worry. DS quite liked tummy time, but if she is just screaming into the play mat, I wouldn't push it.

gwenniebee Mon 19-Nov-12 19:34:46

I didn't do it much with my dd (now 18 weeks) as she hated it and also it seemed to make her reflux even worse so there was vom even more everywhere than usual! However, we did do a little (like, 2 minutes) every day and just in the last week or so seems to have got the idea that she can use her arms instead of her nose to support herself. I am quite pleased about this!

FrillyMummy Mon 19-Nov-12 19:35:59

Thanks smile It irritates me how people thinks its the end of the world that I'm not doing it!

Figgygal Mon 19-Nov-12 19:36:45

My 11mo was same hated it regardless of what implements u put under him to encourage him so we didn't do much either. Once he learned to roll front to back he practically never did it again he was a later crawler at 9months but then again he bum shuffled from 7months and could hold his head up from the day he was born (not kidding in hospital another baby was crying and he lifted his head up from my shoulder and looked round) it's not done him any harm

AppleOgies Mon 19-Nov-12 19:37:11

I had to give up on tummy time totally because my DS hated it. It did not stop him holding head up, crawling, walking etc...

P.S. I was only adding my two penneth as an alternative not saying you HAVE to do it, my 8 week old isn't very keen either.

TrudiRed Mon 19-Nov-12 19:37:48

All 3 of my kids hated tummy time and we did very little of it. All 3 could hold their heads up at 'normal' time and none have trouble with their wrists, or were delayed in any other milestones.

BinksToEnlightenment Mon 19-Nov-12 19:39:31

Oh it's a load of nonsense. As if their neck muscles are steadily atrophying with every minute they spend not screaming face first at the floor.

redexpat Mon 19-Nov-12 19:40:11

DS would only do it when the HV was visiting! He really liked flying though which is also good for your pelvic floor. Lie on your back, put the baby on their tummy on your shins, then bend your knees towards your chest.

FobblyWoof Mon 19-Nov-12 19:42:47

* cried, not dried!

TurkeyDino Mon 19-Nov-12 19:45:14

I too, hate tummy time. It is the constant source of conversation at baby clinic as in 'ooooh neveah loves tummy time'. I don't know if it's the twee name that annoys me most.

littlewhitebag Mon 19-Nov-12 19:48:40

What the hell is tummy time? Never had this in my day and my DD age 14 and 20 seem just fine! They can both walk and run and hold their heads up unaided and everything lol!

blackeyedsusan Mon 19-Nov-12 19:49:45

welcome to parenthood. if it wasn't tummy time it would be ebf or weaning or dummies orr thumb sucking or nappy type or controlled crying or picking them up everytime they whimper or .....

Doinmummy Mon 19-Nov-12 19:51:10

Tummy time?? Never even heard of it . I certainly didn't do it with my Dd who's now 14 with a lovely upright head.

hazeyjane Mon 19-Nov-12 19:52:23

If anyone does want to do it, then a good way is lying dc on the bed on their stomachs, then sit facing them on the floor. This and lying on my chest, was the only way ds would do it.

HKat Mon 19-Nov-12 19:52:41

My dd hated 'proper' tummy time too - though would happily lie on my chest holding her head up without grumbling. Roll on a few months and now she's just turned six months she likes being on her front more, and pushes herself up with her arms - but leave her more than a few minutes (if that) and she screams blue murder...Some babies just don't like it I think! Don't let the smug parents freak you out smile

notwoo Mon 19-Nov-12 19:53:40

It is important but as others have said, time on your chest or in a sling counts too.
Just try to do it for seconds at a time initially on a soft surface with lots of distraction.
Neither of mine liked it initially and I never let them get distressed but both tolerated it well by 5 months and positively enjoyed it by 6 months.

DS1 hated tummy time until he could roll, at around 5 months and do it himself. I fretted.

DS2 hated tummy time until he could roll, at around 5 months and do it himself. I enjoyed having a non-mobile baby that only wanted snuggling.

JellicleCat Mon 19-Nov-12 20:02:52

DD hated tummy time (although it wasn't called that 17 years ago). She liked to sit up and see what was going on not be face down on a mat. She walked at 13 months and it doesn't seem to have done her any harm. She drove me home tonight!

All babies are different, no doubt yours likes something the tummy timers don't (like snuggling with Mum maybe).

Tabliope Mon 19-Nov-12 20:03:30

DS hated tummy time, not that I knew what it was back then. As a result he never learned to roll or subsequently crawl. He was scouting round the furniture at 7months if I stood him up. He cried and looked uncomfortable when I put him on his stomach. Doesn't matter with hindsight. Very little of your concerns do with the space of a few years. I'd tell people she doesn't like it and then when they question it just say you're not concerned, you don't see many 2 year olds let alone 3 year olds with floppy heads or unable to walk.

FrillyMummy Mon 19-Nov-12 20:30:07

Thanks everyone smile

Out of interest, when did your DCs hold their heads up and not need support? Is there a 'normal' time for this?

rhondajean Mon 19-Nov-12 20:34:21

Mydd1 loathed being put face down. She never ever crawled - she bum shuffled backwards, first lying down then later on sitting up. She is 13 now and very fit, strong and healthy!

I know it's recommended but I never saw any reason to distress her with it.

Dd2 on the other hand loved it and crawled everywhere.

nowahousewife Mon 19-Nov-12 20:43:50

Phew, glad tummy time did not exist when mine were babies. Dd hated being on her tummy but guess what; she can hold her own head up, walk, run etc.
By the way she's 14!wink

Northernexile Mon 19-Nov-12 20:54:53

My DD hated tummy time. Screamed blue murder if we didn't pick er up immediately. We were a bit worried but didn't force it. At 5mo she rolled over and now we can't get her off her tummy. She's crawling, at now at 8mo she is pulling herself up and starting to cruise.

I was so worried that of she didn't go on her tummy she wouldn't crawl and would be a later walker- now there's no stopping her! I honestly wouldn't get too hung up on it, your DD will follow her own path, babies can be very stubborn!

itsatrap Mon 19-Nov-12 21:00:50

I didn't do it second time around, as I basically forgot I was supposed to! Ds is just coming up to 6months and is crawling so I can't see that it did him any harm!

I think there is far too much emphasis put on when babies should be reaching certain milestones, there are no awards for having an upright head!

DS hated being on his stomach. In just the last week he has started tolerating it, wouldn't say he enjoys it though. On the upside he can roll over and could hold his head up unaided from 30 mins old, so I'm not too fussed.

HSMM Mon 19-Nov-12 21:10:33

My DD learned to roll, so she could avoid tummy time grin

hazeyjane Mon 19-Nov-12 21:13:27

Well no there are no awards for having an upright head, but there are some children for whom being placed on their tummy for a few minutes a few times a day will be important. Ds didn't sit until he was 12-15 months, didn't crawl until he was 23 months old, and started cruising furniture at 2. He has gross hypotonia so his head would still flop to the side at over a year old.

I know that with most children parent's don't have to worry about these things (and yes there are adults out there who don't have full head control, and who can't walk!) but tummy time is a good way of helping babies along with their development, and there are ways to do it gently and without the baby getting too upset.

scarletforya Mon 19-Nov-12 21:16:34

Wow, I'm so relieved reading this thread. My DD hates tummy time. She is very easygoing in temprament but just screams when placed on her tummy. She's been holding her head up no problems for about a month I think, she is 4.5 months.

She has reflux and has to be upright all the time. So she is rarely on her back exept to sleep and even then she is on a sheepskin or clevafoam pillow to minimise flat head. Repositioning doesn't work as she just moves back. Neither does a rolled up towel or toys etc on the non-favoured side. In fact nothing works as far as I can tell.

The whole reason tummy time is being pushed so hard is because with SIDS and babies sleeping on their backs plagiocephaly and Brachycephaly has become a lot more widespread. So Doctors tell us tummy time will counteract that. In my experience that is a load of old balls.

MammaTJ Mon 19-Nov-12 21:19:59

What you are doing counts as tummy time but it is not a load of nonsense.

Those who thin it is look at this

PurpleGentian Mon 19-Nov-12 21:23:10

DS hated tummy time until about a week after he'd learnt how to roll from his back to his front (took him another month or so to figure out how to roll from front to back).

We had a very trying time that week.

He could hold his head up before then. Lack of tummy time won't stop a baby learning to hold their head up.

Also, from what our HV said, the reason tummy time is advised is to reduce the likelihood of babies getting flat heads. Babies who spend too much time on their backs, particularly ones who spend hours and hours in car seats and bouncy chairs, are more likely to develop a flat head. (She didn't mention anything about wrist strength)

scarletforya Mon 19-Nov-12 21:27:09

Well despite it all my DD still just looks to the right 95% of the time. Public Health nurse and Doctor totally disinterested. The Doc said something about her hair will cover it. That's not really good enough as far as I'm concerned. It really annoys me, she was born with a perfectly shaped head. <rant>

hazeyjane Mon 19-Nov-12 21:29:51

It is not just to do with neck strength and flat head syndrome. Tummy time and crawling are linked to the development of gross and fine motor skills. Which is why a lot of children with dyspraxia are found to have skipped crawling.

1stMrsF Mon 19-Nov-12 21:33:21

Oh Gosh, I never bothered. DTs probably did crawl 'late' (11 months) but so what? Not worth the angst IMO

SantasHugandRollintheSnow Mon 19-Nov-12 21:46:03

Ds2 has severe plagiocephaly due to a torticullis (neck tightening). He could only look to the left until he had physio to strengthen his neck muscles.

If he had tummy time from birth, not only would the torticullis have been noticed sooner, his plagiocephaly would either not be there or not be as bad as it is. As it stands his face, ears and jaw are out of line and treatment to sort that is not available on the Nhs, it costs £2k.

No that won't happen to everyone but it affects 1/60 babies so is more common than you think. Worth a bit of work with tummy time don't you think? If your baby didn't like the car seat would you stop using one (ok not a great example as car seat is a safety issue but I'm shattered and couldn't think of anything else).

SantasHugandRollintheSnow Mon 19-Nov-12 21:47:17

scarlett so was my ds2. He had a perfect little head and a totally symmetrical face, not anymore because I didn't give him time off his back!

hazeyjane Mon 19-Nov-12 21:50:34

That is the thing, you don't know, when your baby is tiny whether they will be one of the ones who may develop problems, so maybe it is a good idea to do tummy time for a few minutes a few times a day.

scarletforya Mon 19-Nov-12 22:01:07

But Santa, I hold my dd all day long and keep her off her back and she's still flat on one side so even if you had done it, it still mightn't have made any difference. I just think Doctors have us sleeping the babies only on their backs and then blame the Mothers for not doing tummy time when the childs head is flat, even if you spend every waking hour keeping the baby upright.

What I'm saying is I think they know full well tummy time is not a realistic prospect. It's a nice cop out for Doctors imho. I think they play down plagiocephaly and Brachycephaly as well. They cant really know the long term effects since it's only the last generation or two that have slept on their backs.

colleysmill Mon 19-Nov-12 22:04:37

I second what hazeyjane posted.

However when I had ds I was amazed and disappointed at the lack of any mention of this - no leaflets in the pack you got back then when you left hospital, not the hv or nursery nurse who visited. That's where and who we need to be getting the information to in order to pass on to parents.

AuntLucyInTransylvania Mon 19-Nov-12 22:07:16

Have never heard of it. Amazingly, both my children have entirely normal necks.

SantasHugandRollintheSnow Mon 19-Nov-12 22:11:45

colley I have designed such a leaflet and my AM has contacted our health board after taking on my campaign to get them included in post natal packs. I don't understand why people don't want to do it. Many things make babies cry when it's new, baths, car seats, other people, prams, noises etc but those aren't stopped.

It is however up to the parents, my campaign is to provide the information so parents can make a more informed descision rather than not knowing about it and only being told tummy time is important when the damage is already done.

Startail Mon 19-Nov-12 22:11:58

DD1 screamed, I tried twice for about 30 sec.
Forgot to try with DD2

DD1 was late and not keen on crawling but brilliant at climbing.

DD2 crawled beautifully, but kept her feet on the ground.

Both walk at 14.5 months.

I don't think tummy time makes any difference.

Being dyslexic does, me and DD1 are.

I'm told I never crawled, but teleported when my parents left the room.
My non dyslexic DSIS crawled very fast.

hazeyjane Mon 19-Nov-12 22:13:11

I think it is a shame that when it is mentioned, there isn't a leaflet to tell people why it might be important, roughly how much time in a day to do it for and good methods to use if a baby doesn't enjoy it.

Ds also has reflux, and was very rarely on his back as a baby, he was usually on his side, sometimes on a reflux cushion, and mostly carried in a sling. He has had no problems with flat head, but it didn't help wrt crawling, sitting and playing with toys (all areas he was delayed in). His physio, was very keen on getting him crawling, because it helps with 'crossing the midline' which can affect things like reading, writing and balance when older.

PurpleGentian Mon 19-Nov-12 22:24:55

Good point hazeyjane - I knew about the tummy time / flat head link due to HV, but got no information on how much tummy time is recommended, and wasn't told that holding DS upright also counted as tummy time.

ToffeeCaramel Mon 19-Nov-12 22:28:39

My dd who is now 8 used to hate it and would scream, so i never did it. I haven't noticed any resulting problems, but i'm now going to read the other replies and see what effect it may have had on her!

hazeyjane Mon 19-Nov-12 22:29:20

AuntLucy, and others being a bit sarky - that is fine, and it would be great if all our children had 'normal' necks, and no issues with the shape of their heads, and full head control and no developmental delays - but considering a few people have been talking about their children who do have some of the above problems, your sarkiness (I know it's not a real word) doesn't sit very well!

PurpleGentian Mon 19-Nov-12 22:31:07

Incidentally, I've come back onto this thread, and noticed an ad titled "Baby Flathead Syndrome?" on the right hand side. That's apt, but kind of freaky.....

EdgarAllanPond Mon 19-Nov-12 22:31:07

dd1 - hated it, would cry
Ds1 - hated it at first - learned to turn himself eventually
DD2 - hated it, would cry
DS2 - is already learning to turn himself, hardly gets that much time on his back because we are always out and about and he feeds all fecking night

personally i think if they like being on their front, they'll learn to turn themselves.

all apart from Ds2 have had big flat heads, but then my husband has a big flat head (and his mum put them front-down to sleep)

FadBook Mon 19-Nov-12 22:31:53

I read this when dd was newborn: www.janetlansbury.com/2011/08/the-case-against-tummy-time-guest-post-by-irene-gutteridge/ and didn't feel as anxious. Janet Lansbury recommends no bouncers, walkers, jumperoos etc so I think this was a guest post backing this theory up. Thought I'd share it even though i wasn't aware of the risks of not doing tummy time until I read this thread.

colleysmill Mon 19-Nov-12 22:34:09

The chartered society of physiotherapy used to have some official leaflets on it but I'm not aware that these are widely distributed other than by physios working with children already identified as having delay, torticollis or other difficulties (and then parents are often more supported and given direct advice with this) I'm on my phone so can't link (not that I'm very good at that on a computer either!)

LaCiccolina Mon 19-Nov-12 22:34:58

I was told it counteracted a flat head from bring on back and also helped keep hips in alignment.

No idea if either true.

Never seen a flat headed child with a wonky walk tho..

BegoniaBigtoes Mon 19-Nov-12 22:35:21

Both mine hated it, refused to lift their heads up at all, cried and dribbled on the floor until I picked them up, so I stopped bothering. Neither of them crawled, but both are fit and strong with no floppy head issues.

It's the kind of thing you get worked up about when you have your first baby and everyone is comparing notes and spouting wisdoms and essentially having more competent babies than yours. After a while though you move on from that stage (well ideally...)

BegoniaBigtoes Mon 19-Nov-12 22:36:24

Oh and when DP tried to give 2-month-old DS an alternative form of tummy time by lying on his back and lifting DS up in the air above him, DS was sick in his mouth grin

I persevered with it when DD was tiny, because I thought it was to do with 'flat head' syndrome. She hated it to start, rolled at I think a fairly average 5 months, then proceeded to sleep on her front every night since (she's 2.6 now).

But all the HVs/midwives/group leaders (sure start community stuff) always said it wasn't specifically tummy time, more like Not Flat On Their Back time.

SamSmalaidh Mon 19-Nov-12 22:38:36

I don't think "tummy time" in itself is so important - what is important is "not leaving the baby lying on it's back in the cot/pram all the time time" grin

If you're holding/slinging your baby a lot of the time, or have them sitting up, I wouldn't worry so much. If they spend their days lying flat on their backs on a play mat or in a pram and nights in a cot then tummy time is pretty vital.

hazeyjane Mon 19-Nov-12 22:44:47

Fadbook, I notice that the lady who wrote that article does say, 'time spent on the tummy is extremely important to development, and babies choose to spend time in that position when the time is right (usually between 4-7 months)'

so she does agree that tummy time is important, but she assumes that all children will do it in their own time. I have had 2 children who didn't do it of their own accord (ds still struggles to roll now, at 2.4).

Lacicciolina - ds hasn't got a flat head, although it does have a tendency to slump, and a very wonky walk.

Mousefunk Mon 19-Nov-12 22:47:23

Supposed to stop them getting a flat head isn't it? Didn't with my first two. I gave them tummy time for half an hour a day because neither minded and by 2-3 months were rolling anyway so did it themselves and I held them pretty much all day but they still got flat heads. As soon as they were sitting up their heads curved again. End of story.

DD3 never has tummy time- no flat head wink

LeonieDeSainteVire Mon 19-Nov-12 22:48:17

Well I'm another one where 'tummy time' (awful, awful phrase) hadn't been invented when my eldest were small. I did try them on their tummies, they hated it so I didn't bother again. They seem quite fine at 14 and 10 and did as babies too!

It had been invented by the time I had my youngest but he hated it too so I didn't do it this time either. He did however have a noticeably squished and flat head when tiny (because he always slept with his head to one side) but it rounded out as he grew so I don't see it as a problem (for us, not saying I'm speaking for everyone).

TBH my babies spent most of their awake time in my arms, where are these babies who lie flat on their backs all the time!!

charliesweb Mon 19-Nov-12 22:51:15

Tummy time is much more than about strengthening neck muscles. Believe it or not its about your baby developing physical skills they will use later in life for reading and writing. It also helps with their brain development. For example, babies need to learn to scan or track from left to right and right to left with their eyes, they also need to develop their core muscles (body), next they will move onto the muscles in their limbs and finally their hands and fingers. There is loads of research that supports the importance of tummy time for lots of early development.
Sally Goddard Blythe has written about the importance of tummy time as well as other important aspects of childrens physical development and the links with their cognative development and is well worth a read. I'm fairly new to the subject so it's probably better to start with her if you want to know more.

charliesweb Mon 19-Nov-12 22:56:56

I would like to add that my middle child also hated being on her tummy and much preferred sitting up in her bumbo. She enjoyed being on her front more as she got a bit older and could be played with and entertained. I certainly don't want my last post make anybody feel guilty if their child hates being on the front. I just wanted to explain some of the other reasons why tummy time is recommended.

LeonieDeSainteVire Mon 19-Nov-12 23:01:18

Recommended charliesweb but not apparently essential. Certainly not worth getting parents and babies stressed over surely?

Generations ago babies were strapped onto backboards and tightly swaddled to help their limbs grow straight. It was considered very important for their development. Fashions in baby rearing change, babies not so much!

ReallyTired Mon 19-Nov-12 23:07:40

The best way to do tummy time with a small baby is biological nuturing

It must be scary to be put face first on the floor and not be able to see your mummy as well as uncomfortable.

Another link for those who want to do tummy time with a newborn is..

breastcrawl

There is nothing like a breastfeed to make a baby happy.

No one did tummy time ten years ago, but my son's class can all run about.

akaemmafrost Tue 20-Nov-12 01:17:54

I cannot believe I have two dc aged 9 & 6 and I have never heard of "Tummy Time" confused.

Don't worry OP my kids seem to have managed without it.

What other things have totally bypassed me I wonder <<scared>>?

mummyonvalium Tue 20-Nov-12 01:24:01

DS1 adored it. He had such bad reflux it was the only time he was confortable.

DS2 hated it.

The difference between them in terms of development was absolutely minuscule. About a week's difference in crawling. My sound belief based on medical evidence (a bit like the ff and bf debate) is that it is all overdone.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Tue 20-Nov-12 01:28:13

DS hated it. Scrawny baby (25th centile) with 95th centile head. The physics just weren't in his favour, frankly. He also hated slings. He was happiest being held in a standing position on my lap or sitting, supported from behind. He never crawled, was an asymetric bum shuffler, walked at 15mo and then sort of started crawling when he was around 18 months when he got too tall to walk through the tunnels at soft play.

DD (3mo) LOVES it. Flips over onto her stomach at every opportunity, but is a chunky baby and all in proportion. Was born very strong already so never had that stage they hate where they cant lift their head off the floor and they're just thrashing about like a beached whale

piprabbit Tue 20-Nov-12 01:30:51

Tummy Time was introduced because a lot of parents read the advice about not putting babies on their tummies to sleep and became too scared to put them on tummies at all, even when awake and being watched/played with. People misunderstood the original advice and began taking it too far and applying it inappropriately.

Tummy Time just gives you permission to put your child in a range of positions, so that they can develop all their muscles and skills.

It seems ironic that advice which was created to counteract the effects of an overzealously applied piece of parenting advice is now in turn causing parents distress and worry in case they get it 'wrong'.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Tue 20-Nov-12 01:42:25

It seems ironic that advice which was created to counteract the effects of an overzealously applied piece of parenting advice is now in turn causing parents distress and worry in case they get it 'wrong'.

Yup, but that's most parenting advice for you. Here's how you do it

1. Get evidence gathered in extreme circumstances (the Bucharest study is always a goody)
2. Twist/extrapolate evidence to apply to totally different situation
3. Issue guidelines
4. Guilt trip parents mothers if they don't follow them to the letter

piprabbit Tue 20-Nov-12 01:49:33

I think a lot of parenting advice starts out being published as 'guidance' and ends up being used as 'rules'. It seems to be a form of chinese whispers.

I'm not sure if this is the fault of poor communication from the originators, HCPs liking to give their clients very black and white information or parents thinking that there is only ever one right way to do things.

valiumredhead Tue 20-Nov-12 08:46:21

12 years ago I'd never heard of tummy time - I had heard of putting babies on their front IF they liked it though wink

SamSmalaidh Tue 20-Nov-12 09:12:56

What's the Bucharest study?

ToffeeCaramel Tue 20-Nov-12 09:18:08

That's very interesting info charliesweb I wish a hv had told me that information when mine were small. People are always more likely to do something if they know the reasons for it.

Merrylegs Tue 20-Nov-12 09:25:44

Blimey. The things you learn.

But that does actually explain why the teenagers in my house are always horizontal.
Lounging around. Loafing. Mooching. Heads lolling.

If only Tummy Time had been invented when they were babies.

Actually, I might introduce it now. They're already up and running with the whole learning to talk thing. They can even put two words together. 'Want breakfast.' 'Where's pants.' 'Need lift.' 'Back late'.

notwoo Tue 20-Nov-12 12:09:39

I don't know why people get so sarky about things that hadn't been 'invented' when their children were little. Many of you were probably putting babies to sleep on their tummies so it wasn't as important for them to spend time awake there.

Charliesweb has given some good information based on sound research.

No, it's not the be all and end all and most people don't need a twee name for what is probably common sense but why sneer at progress?

hazeyjane Tue 20-Nov-12 13:41:26

I also don't understand how people can be so sarky (you don't see many children with wonky heads/ unable to lift their heads up etc), when several posters (me included) have come on and talked about their own children with neck problems, poor gross motor skills and developmental delay.

When ds was under 7 months, I had no idea that he would have the difficulties he has now. Tummy time was and is important for him, and for many many other children. And yes most of you will have older children who have never had tummy time, and it didn't do them any harm. But you don't necessarily know that when your baby is tiny, which is why tummy time is recommended as a good thing to do to help development, just in case there are problems in the future.

charliesweb Tue 20-Nov-12 18:56:59

I am the last person who wishes to send anyone on a guilt trip about their parenting. I spent far too much time doing that to myself with my own babies. I nearly didn't post because I was worried people would feel under pressure and stressed about 'getting it right'. If my post did make anyone feel like that I apologise unreservedly.

I posted because whilst the impact of the back to sleep campaign has been highly effective and successful in reducing cot death, an unfortunate by product seems to be that babies are now not spending any time on their fronts to the detriment of the physical and cognative development. Sally Thomas (an expert in the early years) has the saying "back to sleep, front to play."

Of course putting babies on their front to play is not new (Sally Thomas, a strong advocate of 'tummy time', is herself 76). I think before the back to sleep campaign it was probably very natural for babies to spend time on their fronts. There certainly seem to be lots of old photos of babies in gardens playing on rugs on their fronts etc.

I do think if we understand why some of the recommendations are made it can better help us make decisions about what we are going to do with that advice.

CecilyP Tue 20-Nov-12 18:58:40

I had never heard of tummytime till I discovered mumsnet. When was it invented?

SantasHugandRollintheSnow Tue 20-Nov-12 19:11:36

In 1996 when the back to sleep campaign came in and babies no longer slept on their stomachs.

Paid our first £500 for ds2 star band. His head flattening has a difference of 19mm. The remaining amount up to £1950 has to be paid by 4th jan. I wish I'd known about tummy time before the problems were already there.

piprabbit Tue 20-Nov-12 20:35:05

Tummy time came in around 2005 - after DD was born but before DS arrived.
I remember the publicity coming out and discussing it at NCT committee meetings.

You know I never knew about this, never had anyone tell me anything about tummy time. However, both DCs enjoyed being in different positions and looking back they weren't on their backs all the time so I guess I must have got something right.

In fact, if I remember right, they both enjoyed being on someone's shoulder a lot, looking around and seeing everything.

ToffeeCaramel Tue 20-Nov-12 20:50:17

Why are some babies prone to flat head syndrome and some not? Is it to do with softness of the skull?

Fakebook Tue 20-Nov-12 20:51:10

Yanbu! I did "tummy time" with dd. she was my pfb and I had loads of time to sit and play with her and she loved it. DS I didn't have time for all that crap and he was like your dd and would scream when put on his belly. I didn't bother and he's cruising and standing now at 10.5 months.

Fakebook Tue 20-Nov-12 20:53:12

Oh but I must add, DS could turn and support his head himself from birth, so I didn't worry about flat head syndrome because he didn't keep his head in one place.

Lollydaydream Tue 20-Nov-12 20:59:02

Just want to totally agree with hazeyjane; how about being grateful you haven't had to find it why these things are important rather than sarky.
To the op if you can get a mirror on the. floor that can make it more interesting.

FoxSake Tue 20-Nov-12 20:59:19

Never did tummy time, dd normal 7 year old who can walk, rolled over at 5 mo and learnt to push herself up a bum shuffled not a crawler,very clever even if I do say so myself.

Ds now 5, army shuffled at 6 months and took on the world a month after a keen sports man grin pretty well co ordinated. Was early crawler, twas a nightmare.

11 month old baby, crawling from 6 months but then progressed to bum shuffling in the manner of an ape, I think it's evolution, now taking her first steps able to climb like a mountain goat hmm. Don't bother Getting your self stressed they don't go to school with weak wrists, unable to walk, wearin nappies, enjoy her.

LeonieDeSainteVire Tue 20-Nov-12 21:01:55

And why is 'flat head syndrome' a problem for some and not others? DS2's head was really very, noticeably flat on one side but caused no problems and rounded out as he grew. How can you tell (can you tell?) which babies will self correct and which need expensive treatment?

SantasHug I can't believe tummy time was a concept as far back as 1996. I had PFB in 1998 and think I read everything I could find on standard babycare at the time and never heard of it. piprabbit's 2005 seems more likely

boobyboo Tue 20-Nov-12 21:08:47

Severe plagiocephaly does tend to occur when there is an underlying problem of torticollis (tightening of the neck muscles). As the baby's head is stuck in one position, he/she is likely to develop an asymmetrical flattening.

I think, though don't know, that such babies are more likely to be extremely resistant to tummy time. I knew about its importance and tried to do it a lot with DTS, but he screamed and screamed and wouldn't lift his head - due no doubt to the undiagnosed underlying physical issues.

It is a complete fallacy that this type of severe asymmetrical plagiocephaly is caused by a child just being left in the car seat all the time, although that can cause some, generally more symmetrical, flattening. It's quite hurtful, but also convenient for the NHS to regard this as a problem of women who are "lazy mothers" with "carseat kids," as then they are not obliged to look seriously into the issue of plagiocephaly, and, god forbid, actually fund treatment.

Tummy time is really important though, whether a child has underlying physical issues or not. It's important to be able to be free to develop movement whether on the front, back (not restrained in a car seat or bouncer) or in their mother's arms/sling.

HappySeven Tue 20-Nov-12 21:14:10

My DS hated it too and so did I (he had reflux and it was a messy business). A friend who is a children's physio recommended trying it with a rolled up towel under his arms to give him a little support. She also said a bumbo can help with core strength. I was a bit lazy about the whole thing to be honest and he's now 6 and doesn't seem to have suffered. sorry pure anecdotal evidence

SantasHugandRollintheSnow Tue 20-Nov-12 22:00:01

leonie you're probably right wrt it being a concept as such.

booby ds2 had a torticollis hence his severe plagiocephaly. We have done fundraising for about half the cost and family are helping us out with a bit more too. It really bothers me the Nhs won't fund this unless you live in Leeds or bristol as ds2's isn't just cosmetic. He had his scan today and his forehead, eye sockets, cheek bones and jaw line are misaligned which probably explains why when he has a bottle at least an oz ends up down his front as he can't form a seal around the teat properly. Can't see how that's "cosmetic".

BertieBotts Wed 21-Nov-12 08:14:05

YY tummy time came in a good few years after back to sleep. Back to sleep came in and that was all great, but it took say 5 or so years for the majority of parents to shift to doing it (as, if you'd done one thing with your first and they were fine you're less likely to adopt new advice for your second) and then 5 or so years for the increase in fine motor problems to appear as a big issue - I think it was picked up in schools?

So all these people saying my 12, 14, 15 year old never did it and they were fine - you wouldn't as it wouldn't have been known about then! Back to sleep came in 16 years ago now and tummy time must have come in somewhere in the last 5-10 years. I don't remember my stepmum saying anything about it when my brother was small, and she was the ultimate in PFB worriers grin

afterdinnerkiss Wed 21-Nov-12 08:25:18

we never could do 'proper' tummy time as DD (high-needs darling) hated it and screamed incessantly if placed on her back - until she was 8 months and could flip over herself. we had simply stopped trying to force her to lie on her tummy, expecting her to be content when she was ready. she loved being held upright though and being walked around with, neck supported, so we did that much.

so tt really not necessary - certainly not against the will of the DC.

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