to think that double barrelled surnames are chavvy?

(122 Posts)
prudencesmom Mon 19-Nov-12 15:54:14

It used to be the case that double barrelled surnames where only for the gentry, now every Tom, Dick and Chavvy have them. What has happened?

FloatyFlo Mon 19-Nov-12 15:55:24

biscuit

Maybe women don't want to be known by only theri DH's name.?

Save losing their identity.

I wish I had been more enlightened 21 years ago.

TraineeBabyCatcher Mon 19-Nov-12 15:56:41

Put your judgey judgey pants away.

MrsWolowitz Mon 19-Nov-12 15:58:04

No but I really don't like double barrelled first names.

<pointless post>

CharlieCoCo Mon 19-Nov-12 15:58:11

Its also traditional in some countries to have double barralled names. i couldnt care less what someones surname is.

MrsWolowitz Mon 19-Nov-12 15:58:29

Oh YABU.

prudencesmom Mon 19-Nov-12 15:58:38

And it must be a nightmare for the children to spell their looong names.

SantasStrapOn Mon 19-Nov-12 15:59:29

'Mom' is far more chavvy IMO.

<runs away>

CMOTDibbler Mon 19-Nov-12 16:00:07

DH and I have different names, and we wanted ds to reflect both of us, so unless we'd made up a new name, he got to be double barrelled <shrugs>

FutTheShuckUp Mon 19-Nov-12 16:00:38

Unless the surname is Ponsenby-Smyth, in which case how is that chavvy shock

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Nov-12 16:00:47

I kind of see where you're coming from. They seem more commonplace now.

I don't care who has a double barrelled name or why right up until the names don't go. Sybil from Downtown's surname is Brown-Findlay...it just doesn't sound right.
Names like Rhys-Jones,Dudley-Jones,Fortescue-Smythe on the other hand do.

TraineeBabyCatcher Mon 19-Nov-12 16:00:48

I agree it must be a nightmare. But only if they're already longer names. I wouldnt ever double barrell a name purely because I'm to lazy to want to have to write it all out every time.

mrsscoob Mon 19-Nov-12 16:01:05

Describing something as chavvy is a sign of being chavvy yourself I'm afraid.

prudencesmom Mon 19-Nov-12 16:01:07

And its becoming more and more common.
Have my judgey pants on up to my armpits grin

prudencesmom Mon 19-Nov-12 16:02:48

mrs I am deffo not chavvy grin

SingSung Mon 19-Nov-12 16:03:05

Double barrelled = fine.
Triple barrelled = hmmmm

Good luck op!

AThingInYourLife Mon 19-Nov-12 16:04:42

Saying stuff is chavvy is chavvy smile

TraineeBabyCatcher Mon 19-Nov-12 16:05:25

Lol pp. That would spark a convosation or two

AThingInYourLife Mon 19-Nov-12 16:06:20

X-posted mrs grin

TiredBooyhoo Mon 19-Nov-12 16:06:35

i love these threads

OP define chavvy IYO.

ShiftyFades Mon 19-Nov-12 16:14:49

What happens in the future when all these double barrelled people marry each other, or don't get married but have children and can't decide on surname for the children?
I can see lots of:
Lloyd-Jones-Thomas-Browns in the future!! wink

Everlong Mon 19-Nov-12 16:20:16

Oh come on think of something better than this to start a row.

Purlease.

Anonymumous Mon 19-Nov-12 16:24:04

Saying that saying stuff is chavvy is chavvy is really chavvy IMO.

Fenton Mon 19-Nov-12 16:29:40

You are a goady stirrer OP, aren't you?

I thought I broke your big wooden spoon the other day grin

YABU. My surname is double barrelled as DHs mum and dad were not married when he was born and they decided to use both for him. I took on his double barrelled name when we married. He is the only one in the world (other than me now, and soon to be baby) and is very attatched to his name. Although it will be hard for LO to spell, and I can hardly ever fit it onto official forms. But ho hum such is life.

My surname is a double barrel. DD and DS have DP's surname, which is actually longer than my double barrel. I've no intention of changing it, and I've had it for more than 40 years anyway. It certainly wasn't chavvy then.

Fenton Mon 19-Nov-12 16:31:44

My favourite double barrelled name was one I cam across when I worked in a bank. It was Farquharson-Small - I loved the sound of it.

MrsBovary Mon 19-Nov-12 16:33:41

What Mrsscoob said.

Double barrelled surnames are just Soooo Yesterday! The rage now is to combine surnames to create a whole new surname, sounds great unless your surnames are "Jones" and "Edwards", a whole load of "Jedwards" grin

EverythingInMjiniature Mon 19-Nov-12 16:40:07

I'm about to get one and Im not keen! The thing I don't understand about the 'wanting children to have both our names' group is that it isn't sustainable over more than one generation.

Oh, my DP has a genuine upper class double barreled name, which he changed by deed poll to single barreled as was always being treated (unfairly) well by people like the OP (it's a smitherinton-smythe one) and he wanted to be treated as he was found, not defined by being a toff.

My ILs are proper posh and would never, ever, ever use the word chavvy or even think it and that's the difference between worrying about class and being classy.

squoosh Mon 19-Nov-12 16:41:36

It doesn't need to be sustainable over more than one generation, it's a reflection of that particular person's parentage.

MinnieBar Mon 19-Nov-12 16:42:28

I would explain to you why we decided to double-barrel OP, except I don't think your small brain would understand. smile

TwistyBraStrap Mon 19-Nov-12 16:42:50

My surname was double barrelled before I got married. I changed it after my mother got married - I hated not having the same name as her.

Ironically it took me 5 years to have the same surname as my children!

squoosh Mon 19-Nov-12 16:43:46

Surname are common full stop.

All the very best people have just one name, Prince, Kylie . . . . . . . me.

pigletmania Mon 19-Nov-12 16:46:04

Op yabvvvvu. I have a double barrelled surname, it as been in dh family for centuries

we double-barrelled when we got married - I didn't want to give up my name, and DH was happy to add to his, as it then defined us as a family unit. I don't care what the DDs do with their surnames, as that's entirely down to them when they are adults. So it's irrelevant to me that it's unsustainable.

(and for the record, neither posh nor chavvy, although we do speak "proper" so the DDs are always accused of being posh).

SaidFlorence Mon 19-Nov-12 16:49:40

Mountbatten-Windsor. Yep, height of chavdom! hmm

VinegarTits Mon 19-Nov-12 16:51:39

well of course, chav's cant spell so they shouldnt be allowed to have complicated surnames

in fact they should be allowed to have surnames full stop, the underclass should all be called chav with a number after - chavn

how very dare they, in fact, shot them all and have done with it

(personally i think calling your child Prudence is criminal <runs>)

I think we should encourage people to use the old welsh way where your name included your entire geneology, so "Dafydd ap Owain ap Griffith ap ..... !" or after your proffession so "Dai Jones the shop" or even "Mrs Dai Jones the Shop". Now that would be fun!

MmeGuillotine Mon 19-Nov-12 16:54:41

One of my godmothers has a triple barrelled surname. I had a lowly double barrel until I got married and swapped it for a single syllable as I was fed up with people telling me that I sounded like a solictor's firm. grin

TakeMyEyesButNotTheGoat Mon 19-Nov-12 16:55:28

Well I wouldn't name my child Prudence OP.

Rather a double barrelled name than that.

HTH

upsylazy Mon 19-Nov-12 16:56:14

Re the sustainability thing, what happens if 2 people with double -barrelled names get married - Do you get a quadruple barrelled name? I'v always wondered this.

TakeMyEyesButNotTheGoat Mon 19-Nov-12 16:56:29

X post with vinegartits ( great name btw)

2teens2tots Mon 19-Nov-12 16:59:11

There is no hope for me ... I must be a Chav, well according to MN anyway, I had a pink pram, my baby wore a headband (to cover where the drip went when she was in the special care unit) I shop in ASDA, I have a large 3D TV, I have 2 fish tanks and now my maiden name was double barreled I think I should be taken outside and shot sad

VinegarTits Mon 19-Nov-12 17:01:43

thankyou, im thinking of changing it to Vinegar-Tits wink

getoutofit Mon 19-Nov-12 17:03:40

I wanted child to have my name, DH wanted child to have his name so child now has both names (hyphenated so well posh). If she doesn't like it she can just choose one (as long as she chooses mine as my family are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better). I thought I was being all feminist and like an intellectual for once in my life. It might be wanky but not chavvy.

nicelyneurotic Mon 19-Nov-12 17:07:27

So you think married women should take their husband's name?
Or that children should take only their father's name?

I don't.

Women have equal rights so why should surnames only reflect the paternal line? It's nice to include both.

noddyholder Mon 19-Nov-12 17:10:33

Using the word chavvy is uber chavvy

McChristmasPants2012 Mon 19-Nov-12 17:13:08

DH and I couldn't decide what surname to give pfb and double barreling would have seen pfb a butt of many joke. So we looked at both family tress and there was a surname that was on both sides.

If our names was compatible I would of DB

swooosh Mon 19-Nov-12 17:16:25

What happens when the double-barrelled surname kids start marrying each other? shock

TakeMyEyesButNotTheGoat Mon 19-Nov-12 17:19:17

They only get to choose one name each swooosh

ChaoticismyLife Mon 19-Nov-12 17:21:43

upsylazy they could always take one from each double barrell and make a new double barrell.

TakeMyEyesButNotTheGoat Mon 19-Nov-12 17:21:57

I was thinking of double barrelling my name when DP and I get married so my DD has a connection to me still as she has her dads name.

But I guess that makes me a chav as I was a single mum at one point OP hmm

Vev Mon 19-Nov-12 17:30:19

Practicality, if couples don't stay together, can take mum's name. Easier than having to go through the legalities of changing name.

CockyPants Mon 19-Nov-12 17:30:49

DD has double barrel, no hyphen in between though.
Chav is as Chav does, OP.

Dawndonna Mon 19-Nov-12 17:31:25

Oh bugger off1

itsatrap Mon 19-Nov-12 17:31:32

My dcs have my surname and when dp and I get round to getting married he will also take my name and ditch his own, where do we fit on your chav scale?

Oh that's us told then! FWIW my kids are the only double-barrelled people I know so they must be right posh.

McChristmasPants2012 Mon 19-Nov-12 17:37:05

Itsatrap I think that's a whole other thread lol

ClippedPhoenix Mon 19-Nov-12 17:38:53

Excuse me madam.

It went like this. I named my son my surname, my son's arse of a father wanted his name. Now, seeings as I'm sole carer and practically always have been, it put me in a predicament as he threatened to forgoe his paltry maintenance therefore I conceded to his surname first then mine at the end.

Is this acceptable to you?

mum2threesons Mon 19-Nov-12 17:48:09

I HATE my married surname..I wish my DH had taken my name when we got married. Much nicer smile

Florabeebaby Mon 19-Nov-12 17:48:56

I've got one...it's showbiz, not chavvy!

FreudiansSlipper Mon 19-Nov-12 17:54:53

Obvioulsy op does not mix with many frightfully posh people unless she is calling them chavvy

I double barrelled my name and would again if i married again if you want to label me chav that's fine more a reflection on yourself

GhostShip Mon 19-Nov-12 17:57:15

Mines Dana-Rose. I don't think thats chavvy.

VolumeOfACone Mon 19-Nov-12 18:06:22

I dated a Count for a while with a double barrelled surname. But he most usually only used half of it.

pointythings Mon 19-Nov-12 18:35:16

Ooooh, my mum hyphenated in 1966, before they even invented chavs, because she wanted to keep her own identity. I'm going to tell her she's one of the original chavs!

<runs off waving arms wildly and screaming>

motherinferior Mon 19-Nov-12 18:37:04

My children have two non-hyphenated surnames <preens> One is Swedish and one is Bengali. Very long, with an umlaut in there too.

piglettsmummy Mon 19-Nov-12 18:46:31

I'm not a fan of double barrelled names myself! It makes me think of two types of people, super rich people or teenage mums ( not dissing them as I was a teen mum myself) I dont think I is especially chavvy.
Like I said I was a teen mum and chose the fathers name for my dd. we now have split up but I don't regret to have her dads name as her second name. But many of my friends ( also teen mums) have double barrelled the name simply coz they want the dads name but if they split up they can just knock the second last name off ( the dads in many cases that I no) so alls good! Absoulutly stupid idea! Pick one name
For god sake !!!! Lol grin

Everlong Mon 19-Nov-12 18:49:04

Well Mary Jane isn't chavvy is it <hands on hips>
tsk.

RainbowRabbit33 Mon 19-Nov-12 18:50:56

I'm double barrelled - before we got married I traced my family history, and it turned out that I am the last person to have my surname (we went back to the 1600s, there are other people with my surname, just I'm the end of the line for us). I also wanted to recognise that I am part of DH's family. I don't think I'm a chav!

That said, a friend of mine has done the same. I daren't say it to her face, but she sounds like a motorway service station!

EuroShagmore Mon 19-Nov-12 18:54:44

Rainbow I'm the last of my line too (I'm an only child and so is my Dad). If we have children, they will have both surnames (mine and my husband's). Luckily they go pretty well together.

CollieEyeOfNewt Mon 19-Nov-12 18:55:26

I got married recently. If we hadn't already had children I'd have kept my own name, but they are already here and have their dad's surname, and I wanted to share a surname with them. DH offered to double barrel our names. My immediate reaction was hmm I didn't want to share MY surname, or give the kids a double barrel. So they're all Y and I'm X-Y.

It sounds ok together too. smile

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Nov-12 18:58:00

No Everlong Mary Jane is somewhat antique slang for marijuana [ grin ]

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Nov-12 18:58:47

Why can I never get smileys to work on my phone. WHY????? <stamps foot>

Everlong Mon 19-Nov-12 19:00:12

Indeed it is. grin

Everlong Mon 19-Nov-12 19:01:27

Oh alis the smileys aren't working on your phone cos after the bracket it automatically does a space wink

FuckingWonderwoman Mon 19-Nov-12 19:05:41

I have umlaut envy, MI. envy

In France, if you are the French equivalent of Ponsonby-Smythe, then it appears like that on the baby's birth certificate, but if you want to double barrel the two parents' names, it would appear as Ponsonby=Smythe. This is to show who the proper aristocracy are as the French clearly want to differentiate between peasants and poshos.

brimfullofasha Mon 19-Nov-12 19:07:07

YABU especially for your use of the word chavvy

Oh we always said Mary Joanna. grin

lovelyladuree Mon 19-Nov-12 19:12:10

It is what working class women do when no man will marry them so they have the same surnames as their assorted children.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Nov-12 19:20:55

Well...that's charming lovelyladuree , an utterly charming attitude. I'm sure a fair few MNetters and some of the landed gentry will be rather surprised by that statement.

GhostShip Mon 19-Nov-12 19:23:24

lovelyladuree Did I also mention my last name is doubled barrelled too?

it's nothing to do with being working class and not being married. My mum gave me a double barreled name because at first she wanted me to keep her maiden name, it's rare and dying out. But once my dad died she wanted me also to share his name.

So feck right off with your horrible comment.

I'm not sure your name suits you lovely !

I am not bothered by not having the same name as the DCs. My name is double barrelled and comes from my dad. There are many different reasons for people having double barrels and calling it chavvy is real ignorance.

motherinferior Mon 19-Nov-12 19:34:35

Ah yes, we unmarried mothers desperate for respectability and a maayan...

I must remind DP of this next time he repeats his millionth proposal of the past four years.

AmberSocks Mon 19-Nov-12 19:39:50

My dh says this,he said its because the only kids he knew that had db names were the ones whod mums had remarried and theyd taken on the stepdads name aswell as their real dads?

Personally i dont know anyone whos done thisI just thought it was when yoyu wanted your kids to have both of your names.My kids all have my name!Dh doesnt care and we are married too!

Dawndonna Mon 19-Nov-12 19:41:28

There is someone on here who knows my family name. I can assure you, as can she, that we are not chavvy! Oh, and it's been a family name since before 1900.

AmberSocks Mon 19-Nov-12 19:41:59

In spain everyone has db names and no one changes their name when they get married,they keep their own db name and the kids get the first part of the db name from each arent to form a new surname(according to my au pair)

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 19-Nov-12 19:44:47

What would Nick Cleggs children's surname be,assuming he has following his wife's cultural tradition?

AmberSocks You are right, but I'm told it's always the bit from the bloke's name that goes first.

Willdoitinaminute Mon 19-Nov-12 22:45:31

I work under my maiden name. It's great it confuses the hell out of people. Never wanted to double barrell it, would be ridiculous since both begin with the same letter. I used to know someone who had triple barrelled her double barrell when she married.
I have nothing against double barrelling. I just don't think some people really thing it through though and end up with some highly entertaining results. I do wonder whether some women choose their partner according to whether their surnames are comparable.
As for unsuitable Christian names heard recently of a young girl called Clamydia ( genuine and not urban myth) suspect she will be changing that by depoll fairly rapidly.

Willdoitinaminute Mon 19-Nov-12 22:46:54

*compatible

prudencesmom Tue 20-Nov-12 16:10:11

Well firstly my child isnt called prudence! Haa as if!
The proper db surnames < Downton stylee> sound better to me than the random mix that I sometimes see. Its the Tammy Lee Jones Staffie Bullshit that I cant stand.
Everlong purleaassee dont communicate with me.

squoosh Tue 20-Nov-12 16:12:54

'Tammy Lee Jones Staffie Bullshit that I cant stand'

You should hear what she says about you.

biscuit

prudencesmom Tue 20-Nov-12 16:15:30

Umm nothing am having a laugh confused
Its says more about you for taking it seriously hmm

12ylnon Tue 20-Nov-12 17:23:31

YABVU! In Poland, it's traditional to double-barrel your name when you get married. My SIL is Mrs Jagiello-Bradley and i think it sounds lovely!

RyleDup Tue 20-Nov-12 17:55:20

I think peo

RyleDup Tue 20-Nov-12 17:58:27

Try again.....

I think people who use the word chav are pretty common, disgustingly rude, and must have an inferiority complex to feel the need to put others down to make themselves feel more special..

LaQueen Tue 20-Nov-12 18:02:20

I don't especially like them, I think them a bit cringe-worthy (so shoot me, I really couldn't care less).

My Mum's GGPs had a fabulous sounding double-barrelled name, because they were the local squires...although, obviously way back when, it originally meant that the person was born illegitimately.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 20-Nov-12 18:12:19

Is that what it meant LaQueen?

Not saying it's not true,but given the stigma attached to illegitimacy historically speaking,it seems a rather *ostentatious naming process? People didn't tend to shout about being illegitimate.

* I don't think double barrelled names are ostentatious.

JojoLapin Tue 20-Nov-12 18:15:39

Chavvy is such an ugly word. My autocorrect prefers Chivvy... So do I. Now tell me OP, my first name is double barrelled. Does it make me a Dick or a Tom?

cory Tue 20-Nov-12 18:45:07

I've got one for the terribly chavvy reason that I'd already had my PhD thesis published under my maiden name and wanted to use that for career purposes, but needed an everyday name that could be pronounced in English. I don't mind being chavvy. Or even chivvy. grin

JojoLapin Tue 20-Nov-12 19:10:18

Cory... You have a double barrelled name because of your PhD. You are such a chiv!! In fact I would go as far as Dick-Tom Chiv.

PenguinBear Tue 20-Nov-12 19:13:57

YABU biscuit

Shinyshoes1 Tue 20-Nov-12 19:13:58

My children are double barelled.

We as the parents never married, I didn't want the children to just soley have his name.

so they are child shiny-mrshiny.

I'm far from chavvy

squoosh Tue 20-Nov-12 19:36:46

Didn't know that back in Ye Olden Days double barrelling meant illegitimacy. I knew that Fitz surnames did.

EdithWeston Tue 20-Nov-12 19:40:39

Double-barrelled seems positively tame, when you remember such aristocratic names as Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes or Plunkett-Ernle-Earle-Drax.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 20-Nov-12 19:42:39

Fitz was a Anglo-Norman patronymic surname prefix. Like the Welsh ap it meant "son of".

Think a fair few Royals bestowed the Fitz prefix on their high born and acknowledged illegitimate children though, Henry VIII definitely did.

But FitzX doesn't always mean the original origins of the family were illegitimate.

ImperialStateKnickers Tue 20-Nov-12 19:54:35

<wanders into thread>

I met that Sir Ranulph Twistleton-Wykeham-Fiennes once.

He introduced himself as Ranulph Fiennes.

In fact out of all the aristocratic titled lot, only one has ever insisted on being called My Lord.

<wanders out again>

prudencesmom Tue 20-Nov-12 20:37:06

Imperial you must tell who??
Was it Sir Hugh Of Grant perchance??

sarflondongal99 Tue 20-Nov-12 20:54:13

You are confused OP. double barrelled first names are - Lilly-sue, Hollie-Mae etc. double barrelled surname are not. Glad we have that sorted. Move along.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 20-Nov-12 21:01:51

Imperial - is it "call me Sir" Ben Kingsley?

OwedToAutumn Tue 20-Nov-12 21:03:25

I know a family where a man had married a single mum. The mother had given her surname to her DD. When they married and had another child, they wanted them all to have the same name, so the man took his wife's name.

squoosh Tue 20-Nov-12 21:04:25

That's interesting Alisvolatpropiis. I must get the phone book out and apologise to the thousands of Fitzs that I've accused of being born on the wrong side of the sheet! grin

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 20-Nov-12 21:09:12

squoosh I only know that because someone I worked with was a Fitz and told me. Had you been upsetting them beforehand? grin

I know a family like that too OwedTo.

My sister has a double barrelled surname, it's traditional for her heritage (non-uk father), so its not chavvy at all.

My surname would have been ridiculous had I double barrelled it with DH's, seriously rip-the-piss-out-of-it ridiculous. So I chose his plain boring name to not be a Chav grin

squoosh Tue 20-Nov-12 21:13:13

Not out loud, but I probably assumed that somewhere in their heritage was a dashing but caddish aristocrat who scattered his seed and his name and took off into the night!

dementedma Tue 20-Nov-12 21:24:25

If dh and I had double-barelled we would have sounded like an IRA terrorist cell - an Irish Bader-Meinhof gang. So I took his name and have spent 25 years spelling the sodding thing. Would love to start using my maiden name again.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 20-Nov-12 21:26:52

"Scattering his seed" grin

ImperialStateKnickers Tue 20-Nov-12 21:31:45

Prudence and Alis grin no, neither of them.. haven't met either of them, but know someone who's worked with both (she's a make-up artist). Hugh is okay, v. professional, whereas Sir Ben Bloody Kingsley, dear god what a prima donna!

The Earl of Cardigan was the official twonk, go into the DM website for more info on his twonkiness if you have the stomach for the place smile

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