To detest children in need?

(198 Posts)
Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:27:18

The show that takes my precious eastenders away from me NOT what it stands for.
The whole terry Wogan/gabby roslin thing makes me want to rip my eyes out ..
I don't need to watch a bunch of non slebs doing shit to know what's happening in the world.
However I do give a good wedge every year... I'm not a total fucker!

Anonymumous Fri 16-Nov-12 20:37:01

Oh, well, that makes me a total fucker then. blush

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 20:39:34

Gaby Roslin?

You mean Fearne

Himalaya Fri 16-Nov-12 20:40:30

Oh I am with you. I can't stand it.

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:40:45

No I meantGbaby roslin........ I don't watch it (obvs) doesn't she do it now?!

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:41:13

No I didn't mean gbaby! I meant GABY!

kenanddreary Fri 16-Nov-12 20:41:32

YANBU - a great cause of course but I would happily donate just to get the so-called 'celebrities' off my TV! Can't help thinking they are all there to self-promote. Don't even get me started on the utterly embarrassing newsreader dance routines...

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 16-Nov-12 20:41:37

How long has Fearne "Wildly Irritating" Cotton been doing it and where has Gaby gone?

OpheliaPayneAgain Fri 16-Nov-12 20:42:28

It pleads on peoples conscience ... do away with the lic fee and we wouldnt have to suffer it.

Im not suffering it because I have a working remote control that switches channel

Hard faced I pay enough in tax for foreign aid. Contraception and education would be more worthwhile.

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 20:42:55

Fearne has done it for years

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:43:06

Lol KenandDreary cringe tv at its best!

My dislike of it has a huge amount to do with that stupid bear. Don't know why I don't like it, but I don't.

<<is shallow>>


Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:44:04

Even more pleased I don't watch if Fearne does it now.... Her voice goes right through me.

redadmiralsinthegarden Fri 16-Nov-12 20:44:19

i agree! i hate the cringemaking self-congratulatory smugness of the participants. i hate the fact it monopolises an entire tv and radio channel. i hate the sycophantic nature of it all. i hate the fact that it is the same slebs, doing the same rubbish every year.

Euphemia Fri 16-Nov-12 20:44:23

I found the radio auction Chris Evans did really distasteful - he was taking bids of £100k upwards to win an amazing [sic] experience at a F1 race in Monaco. So we try to solve the problems of needy children by indulging in a celebration of self-indulgence, profligacy and consumerism, do we? hmm

The rich get richer as the poor get poorer.

Mynewmoniker Fri 16-Nov-12 20:45:35

I'm another hater so you are not on your own. I think the support groups should be properly funded in the first place and I get sick of the media coveridge. I have never given money on that particular day on principle but I give money at other times and do voluntary work so I'm not a bad person am I?

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:45:56

Good point euph

kenanddreary Fri 16-Nov-12 20:45:58

What a relief that others feel the same! Have suffered guilt pangs over this grin.

Thankfully my favourite Corrie isn't affected.

Ileithyia Fri 16-Nov-12 20:47:05

I hate it, I hate all Beg-a-thons. If those schlebs want to get together and give raise a chunk of cash and raise awareness of these charities and so on, thats fine, but the constant "give us more of your money" drives me up the wall.

Oh god, totally agree re: the Chris Evans auction thing. Sickening angry

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:47:38

Ditto ken !
My friends think I'm a total c*nt!

BumpingFuglies Fri 16-Nov-12 20:47:38

Ah, c'mon. It's El Tel and Fearne. Doin good stuff for charidee. Stop being a grump grin

kenanddreary Fri 16-Nov-12 20:49:17

Mynew - no you are most definitely not a bad person!

I often think that if the slebs each gave a fraction of their huge salaries then it would cover the donations anyway.

Primafacie Fri 16-Nov-12 20:50:28

YANBU. But why stop there? I also detest the homeless, refugees, rape victims, and the poor generally.

OnlyWantsOne Fri 16-Nov-12 20:51:11

Why the FUCK are girls fucking aloud singing?'

Onebadbackandalostpelvicfloor Fri 16-Nov-12 20:51:27

I hate it. Half the 'needy' aren't even what I'd class as in need.

Want to help and genuinely help? Go volunteer or train up as a social worker

somewheresomehow Fri 16-Nov-12 20:51:48

im with u Ileithyia
cant abide being constantly nagged to give money, i bet the so called 'celebs' give sweet f a and feel sooo good because they give their 'precious time' to promote this stuff and prob get paid as well

OnlyWantsOne Fri 16-Nov-12 20:51:55

Primaface did you read and understand the OP?

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:53:26

primafacie go back and read the op......
To suggest because I dislike a tv prog I also dislike the sentiment is ridiculous.

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 20:55:20

onlywantsone girls aloud can sing?! shock

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 20:55:58

I give each month to four separate charities that are personal to me.

But I'm sat watching this with my 6 year old ds who has done the whole CIN for school today. For him it helps him understand where his money that he sent in will go to. I don't think that's a bad thing.

kenanddreary Fri 16-Nov-12 20:57:10

We can give to charity/support those in need/show sympathy without having total and utter drivel rammed down our throats all night Primafacie.

carabos Fri 16-Nov-12 20:58:28


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Ileithyia Fri 16-Nov-12 20:59:22

Everlong I don't think the telethon/event is a bad thing, but the constant "give us more money" thing is arse-clenchingly irritating. We all know what the damned thing is for, can't they just scroll the donation details along the botom of the screen and stop nagging for more money? Raise awareness, yes, prompt people to give a bit to charity, yes, nag me endlessly, fuck off.

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 20:59:41

Jesus H Christ.

Girls aloud look frightening.

Anonymumous Fri 16-Nov-12 21:00:10

I detest it for the cries of "I'm going to report you to Children In Need!" every time mother says or does something vaguely unpopular. (Well, actually it was DH who used to do that to his Mum, but I am very mindful of it and I make sure I throw the number away asap whenever the kids come home from school with this wanton propaganda )

AmberLeaf Fri 16-Nov-12 21:00:17

I like the sentiment, but don't watch it ever.

Don't really watch TV these days anyway.

Primafacie Fri 16-Nov-12 21:00:34

Calm down! It was a joke based on the thread title - which suggests the OP actually detests the actual children!

Viviennemary Fri 16-Nov-12 21:02:02

It is more than a little irritating to have multi-millionaires trying to get the general public many of whom are just scraping by, to part with money by total manipulation of emotions. People should boycott this event and give to the charities of their choice.

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 21:02:15

primafacie I do indeed detest most children wink

Oblomov Fri 16-Nov-12 21:02:35

Is it on now? If it is, it hadn't exactly been hyped up, has it? Because I didn't know anything about it.

oohlaalaa Fri 16-Nov-12 21:02:40

I dislike children in need. We don't have any spare cash to donate, it's all a guilt trip, and takes up too much of the tv schedule. I don't even find it entertaining.

see my post re Girls Aloud ...grin , and as for those eejets appealing for the hardships of children, angry..[words fail]

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 16-Nov-12 21:03:20

Everlong I haven't watched it for quite some time. The two may well be related!

Onebadbackandalostpelvicfloor Fri 16-Nov-12 21:03:29

Won't somebody think of the children?!

<faints in an am dram styling>

amarylisnightandday Fri 16-Nov-12 21:05:06

I hate it. Guilt lingering to aid voluntary taxation except its worse than the lottery.
I'm neither mean nor uncharitable but I'm v fussy about who/which causes I give money to. I am not obliged to give any of them anything. This is one aspect of the BBC I loathe.

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 16-Nov-12 21:05:29

Um primafacie did you read the actual OP or just the title?

amarylisnightandday Fri 16-Nov-12 21:06:05

Vivienne - exactly, exactly that.

amarylisnightandday Fri 16-Nov-12 21:06:59

And this is the reason I love mn. Because we can dare to say this stuff.
I'm tempted to start this thread on net huns.....

80sMum Fri 16-Nov-12 21:07:42

Back in 1980 when Children in Need started it was nowhere near as over-the-top as it is now. It was just a few short appeals interspersed with the normal programme schedule.
These days, it seems to last at least a couple of weeks. It's been on the One Show and on Radio 2 for ages. A bit too much, I think.

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 21:09:12

I'm SO glad I started this thread..... I've spent years thinking its just me.
Thrilled to know I'm not alone grin

BridgetJonesPants Fri 16-Nov-12 21:10:24

YANBU - each to their own!

This is the first time I've bothered to watch it (DD aged 8 wanted to watch this year). I'm thoroughly enjoying it & it's good for DD to see how there are so many children less fortunate than her. It's obviously worked as she has just donated the £4.00 from her piggy bank (I made it up to £10). Far better than her buying a daft comic or the like.......and me buying another bottle of I feel fine wink!

She's desperate for Tom Daley to come on!

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 21:11:48

Ahhh that's lovely Bridget how sweet. smile

IAmLouisWalsh Fri 16-Nov-12 21:14:09

Many many years ago, on Harry Enfield, The Old Gits had a sketch with the line 'Children in need? They can bloody well stay in need'.

It has become the annual response in our house. I will happily donate money so long as I don't have to watch the shite they put on.

I'd rather watch Children in Need than the drivel that is Eastenders. Even the segments about children being abused are less depressing than a typical Easties episode.

nursingdreams Fri 16-Nov-12 21:19:21

I'm always torn with CIN. I've just returned from spending 2 years working in a childrens department in a hospital in one of the poorest countries in Africa. I think it is quite insulting to the hundreds of children I tried to look after who were dying from preventable diseases to have celebrities who could easily donate thousands feeling like they are doing a great job because they give their time to appear on a show for 5 mintues!! I also wonder how much money actually goes to these projects and how much goes on making teddies, t-shirts, posters ect.

However I do feel that people have a tendency to ignore what is happening in the world and anything that raises awareness is a great thing. My opinion is when you can remind children and adults that there are a lot of people in the world who don't have enough food to survive or can't access medical help maybe donating money to CIN will just be the first step they take, maybe it will persuade someone to actually get out there and try to do something about it.

Svrider Fri 16-Nov-12 21:20:27

Thing is we watch every penny
It's cost me £9 to send kids to school today
To us, thats a large Xmas present
I realise of course that some kids are getting no presents at all, but still...

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Fri 16-Nov-12 21:23:05

Yanbu. The whole programme is cringeworthy bollocks.

EuroShagmore Fri 16-Nov-12 21:29:07

I don't understand why slebs either making tits of themselves or having the chance to do amazing things that many people would love to have a go at is deserving of my money.

I'll be watching a DVD.

hazeyjane Fri 16-Nov-12 21:34:12

The good thing about children in need is that they give grants to charities that struggle to raise funds in other ways.

Ds goes to a special needs nursery, it provides SALT, OT and physio to children with disabilities as well as much needed support to their parents who attend with their children. It is the only development centre in a huge area, and it has had massive cuts to it's funding, as well as losing 2 of it major charitable donors due to the recession. The annual grant from CinN is enough to fund 2 members of staff. The centre struggles to fundraise whilst also carrying out the hugely important work they do, they are not a well known charity and most people are surprised when they discover how heavily the centre has to rely on charity to stay open.

These are the sort of charities that benefit massively from children in need.

(obviously the show is pretty unwatchable though!)

LynetteScavo Fri 16-Nov-12 21:36:21

I dislike children in need because EastEnders is not on, and because I have spent far too much cash on spotty socks and other spotty clothes...which could have just gone straight to charity.

Actually, I might boycott it next time, send my DC to school in non spotty things if we don't already have any, and give the money straight to charity.

And I know I shouldn't mention it, but Fearn's dress.....

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 21:38:33

Yes Fernes dress and Susan Boyle's singing are both terrible.

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 16-Nov-12 21:39:39

YES! Fearne and Susan are awful I agree Everlong

lovebunny Fri 16-Nov-12 21:42:21

awful. never watch it. can't stand even the idea of it.

amarylisnightandday Fri 16-Nov-12 21:42:43

Politics of Breastfeeding and Dead Aid dissuade me from getting involved in foreign aid appeals. I think that's over for me.
I guess I feel the way I do about begathons as I do about chuggers. Now I have just remembered about Bono. Eugh. To everyone who has mentioned the audacity of the uber rich trying to guilt force the poor into giving away money....
There's some analogy about this - charity being poor people in rich countries giving cash to rich people in poor countyires - as in exploding the corruption. Sigh

sassytheFIRST Fri 16-Nov-12 21:43:14

I'm with you haters. Can't bear telethons - the celebs, the newsreaders doing stupid dances, the cuts to starving/beaten/neglected children... The whole thing makes my teeth itch. I can appreciate they do a marvellous job, raise ££££ for good causes etc; just not on my tv.

But now the dds are 10 and 7 and get into it at school - they were filmed singing today - we actually have to watch. Including Girls Not Allowed To Eat. Shudder.

Smudging Fri 16-Nov-12 21:44:11

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TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 21:45:44

You are being * very* * unreasonable* and your thread has made me really cross. How sad for you that Eadtenders has been cancelled. FFS.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 21:46:03


TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 21:46:31


usualsuspect3 Fri 16-Nov-12 21:47:22

Your dads looking well, Tufty.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 21:49:49

Do you know Usual, he's actually quite knackered at the moment. He'd never hear of not doing it though. He needs to sit down more often.

sassytheFIRST Fri 16-Nov-12 21:50:40

Oh but the last few comments are true - EE is shit. CIN equally so: just worthier.

usualsuspect3 Fri 16-Nov-12 21:50:53

He's a trooper.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Nov-12 21:51:01

Yabu. Money is raised for causes in the uk for which government funding has been massively slashed and at a time when people don't want to give. It is also a great, fun way of showing millions of kids that others need help.

It's one evening in the year, hardly a big deal for sodding Eastenders fans.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 21:54:10

If you feel able to raise all that money another way. You go right ahead. Then you can say you detest CIN. Until then why don't you just thank your lucky stars that you're not counting on every penny raised.

Usual, he's lost weight.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Nov-12 21:54:35

It happens that the only happy school memories I have are CiN days where we got to chuck buckets of water at teachers. Hadn't watched it in years (live abroad) and so far only recognise terry wogan and team gb and robbie williams, but they're raising millions. No bad thing.

usualsuspect3 Fri 16-Nov-12 21:56:56

Is it cool to hate CIN?

We raised about a £100 today at work.


LisaD1 Fri 16-Nov-12 21:58:20

Yabu, how can anyone listen to the back stories and think EE is more worthy of our time?oh and the presenter is Tess Daley not Fearne!

Anonymumous Fri 16-Nov-12 22:00:18

Oh dear, I see the po-faces have turned up. I'm off...

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:01:31

No Usual it's not cool. Well done you smile


Alisvolatpropiis Fri 16-Nov-12 22:01:53

Think OP was just joking.

Obviously Children in Need is a cause worthy of attention. even if it includes Fearne Cotton

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 22:02:06

Fearne was on earlier. She is taking turns with Tess gurner.

stinkinseamonkey Fri 16-Nov-12 22:04:00

I fecking hate it! rich people on telly telling us poor people to give up our cash because they're '"giving their time" - yeah! one WHOLE EVENING given up to self promotion, how inspiring!

usualsuspect3 Fri 16-Nov-12 22:04:48


LynetteScavo Fri 16-Nov-12 22:05:16

At a time when people don't want to give? Or at a time when lots of people are struggling financially?

usualsuspect3 Fri 16-Nov-12 22:06:06

Don't watch it then.

amarylisnightandday Fri 16-Nov-12 22:06:29

Plenty of point missing. The fact that call me dave is trying to shove everything in to charities and just absolve the government of any responsibilities to the vulnerable.
I believe passionately in the work of CIN/all equivalents it's just that I also believe passionately that the government should be paying for it. It's exactly the same with help for heroes.
I'm not going to tacitly agree that child protection work is being done by charities it's bloody negligent.

Ileithyia Fri 16-Nov-12 22:06:57

I've no problem with the cause, just the relentless nagging for money. If the Schlebs want to put on an evening of "light entertainment" to help raise awareness of child poverty etc in the UK, that's great, especially if they are donating huge chunks of their personal fortune to these worthy causes. However, a simple message running along the bottom of the screen with the donation details would do, I don't watch it because I can't bear the nagging. So they possibly lose money because I get so pissed off with the "please give as much as you can" from the pleading schlebs in designer frocks and £600 heels......

threesocksmorgan Fri 16-Nov-12 22:06:58

so glad to see people find CIN need so funny to take the piss out of.
"It pleads on peoples conscience ... do away with the lic fee and we wouldnt have to suffer it.

Im not suffering it because I have a working remote control that switches channel

Hard faced I pay enough in tax for foreign aid. Contraception and education would be more worthwhile."

fuck off

colleysmill Fri 16-Nov-12 22:07:07

Well I fell out with children in need many years ago after a fiasco as a school child and the biggest choir EVER - very long very boring story which I should have gotten over 20 + years ago - but have never forgotten or given since.

I do donate directly to some charities that have been featured though

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:12:36

I knew people like you existed with your withering indignation about other people daring to raise money for children in need. I just never realised how disheartening it would be to read your actual words. There are quite a lot of tv channels. CIN is on one of them. It doesn't need to touch you in any way. Yet still you persist with your righteous indignation. Turn over.

usualsuspect3 Fri 16-Nov-12 22:14:10


PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Nov-12 22:14:47

Yes, the government SHOULD be dealing with it all, but they aren't, and won't. So it's a great way of raising awareness.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:15:52

I agree with Tufty.

If that makes me po-faced, so be it

amarylisnightandday Fri 16-Nov-12 22:20:35

Dare to educate yourself just a little bit more about aid and you might see CIN/comic relief Etc a little differently.
I'm not going to say anyone in particular here is wrong in their beliefs because they are right, based on the information they have and the validity of its sources. And by that I mean successful propaganda.

We are all entitled to make informed decisions about to whom we give our own money to.

I wonder what the figures are like about people in benefits giving to CIN are. If they are relevant then I want to talk about exploitation in a grim way.

hugoagogo Fri 16-Nov-12 22:22:31

CIN always reminds me of my own childhood and how noone even noticed me and my brothers.

Ridiculous for me to be a bit hmm I suppose.

Ileithyia Fri 16-Nov-12 22:25:20

I haven't watched a single second of it on the tv, but I'v had to buy spotty clothes for my children to wear to school today, and give them money to donate in school. It's also all over the shops and internet. So it's not just a tv show, is it?

I do donate, to this and a variety of other charities, but the whole telethon thing is like nails down a black board to me.

colleysmill Fri 16-Nov-12 22:26:17

tufty was your last post in response to mine?

nametakenagain Fri 16-Nov-12 22:27:34

IamLouis yip, here too.
As the old gits burnt cash at the fireplace, they muttered "children in need, they can stay in bloody need"

But to answer the OP, its the smarmy selfserving of the slebs that provokes the nausea and vomiting. We should help children in need ( lower case).

stinkinseamonkey Fri 16-Nov-12 22:28:13

"It doesn't need to touch you in any way"

bollocks! its compulsary unless you make your child stand out by being the only one not in PJs.

You cant go to the bank without it in your face

couldn't even go to the local soft play today because it was CIN day so higher prices but you get a minging spotty cupcake and some money goes to CIN

you can't avoid it!

stinkinseamonkey Fri 16-Nov-12 22:30:26

I do help children that are actually in need BTW, both with my time and money. But being on a v low income I fecking hate the compulsary element of CIN, we give money that we don't really have to causes we really believe in, I also give a morning a week to a good cause, I don't have spare cash to give to one I'm not choosing too!

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 16-Nov-12 22:32:48

I was about to post a very similar thing OP. It's naff and dated and they tried to make DS1 go to school in his pyjamas. He didn't think so, and neither did his 2 close friends. I mean they are nearly 7, do they take them for fools?

amarylisnightandday Fri 16-Nov-12 22:33:07

I bought one t shirt for dd this year and one ears headband last year. That's all. So shoot me.

I only bought those because dd likes it.
So shoot me.

I do direct charity work with a local charity whose cause I feel very emotive about. I do pro bono stuff with them as its directly connected to my profession. This involves dealing directly with service users and direct support. They arnt entitled to CIN finding because you can only get start up, not continuation finding but hey - that's another thread/rant.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:33:34

No colley. It was to all those that feel CIN is a nuisance for disrupting them. In any way at all. Spotty cupcakes in the supermarkeet? How fucking dare they?
We could have a debate about political propaganda amarylisis. We could discuss the rights and wrongs of public donations to fund vital services. That wouldn't actually help the children and families who benefit from CIN would it? So that isn't actually the point. The point is: CIN raises money and awareness for people who are in desperate, fucking need. It doesn't help all of them. It doesn't actually touch it. But it helps some. Those some are ridiculously grateful. Should they not be? Should they say 'no, we don't want your money, we'll manage'. Except they won't. Manage.

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 16-Nov-12 22:33:40

FWIW I have managed not to shell out a single penny <proud>

Jinsei Fri 16-Nov-12 22:34:17

YANBU to dislike watching CIN on TV - if you don't like it, switch over.

YABU to complain about people raising money for good causes. You don't have to give if you choose not to, but the reason they do this kind of appealevery year is because it works. Lots of people do give, and lots of people do benefit.

The comments about foreign aid are irrelevant as all of the CIN money stays in the UK.

And as for Terry Wogan, he's a national institution. Don't knock him! wink

usualsuspect3 Fri 16-Nov-12 22:35:42

Oh well, I like to be po-faced on occasion.

I can't be right on all the bloody time.

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 22:37:03


FunnysInLaJardin Fri 16-Nov-12 22:37:11

and the reason I didn't start a thread was due to this ^^.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:38:36


It's not compulsory! Give 1p. Give £10. give nothing. Turn over. Miss soft play for a day, go to the park. Just stop moaning about something that ......

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. I give up.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:40:16


morethanpotatoprints Fri 16-Nov-12 22:40:44

Sir Terry, actually started a collection at CIN few years ago my dh was in band. Terry put in £20 to start it off and took it back at end of collection. He was being paid £7 then. I'd gladly give 1% of my income to CIN if he and all the others slebs matched it.

colleysmill Fri 16-Nov-12 22:41:34

Ah ok tufty I am very aware my own issues with CIN are embedded in the very dark past and probably unlikely to ever be resolved (as I said very long story that my family get revised every year)

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 22:41:37

Come on then what's the dad joke wink

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 16-Nov-12 22:41:42

aksherly, it's not CIN I detest as much as the awful night of 'entertainment' that accompanies it. I would give some cold hard cash if they weren't soooooo awful

morethanpotatoprints Fri 16-Nov-12 22:41:48

Ha Ha I meant 7k, grin

stinkinseamonkey Fri 16-Nov-12 22:42:38

"It's not compulsory! Give 1p. Give £10. give nothing. Turn over. Miss soft play for a day, go to the park. Just stop moaning about something that ....."
.. you forgot "don't send you child to school that week"!
So in a deprived area where families really are in need we are piled with huge pressure to give money we don't have or else our children are visible scape goats! lovely! but hey some shite celeb did a song for free hmm so we really should do more!

threesocksmorgan Fri 16-Nov-12 22:44:15

dd's school support it, the young people get involved.
even though they are CIN

<applauds Tufty>

if you don't like it turn over.

And no you don't HAVE to buy spotty socks or any of the fundraising shite.

Teaching kids about helping those less fortunate then themselves is a good reality check.

I like the fact that CIN supports loads of small struggling UK charities -no govt is ever going to have enough to fund all of them.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:44:30

So how much did you have to pay for your children to go to school in their pyjamas?

AmberLeaf Fri 16-Nov-12 22:45:03

My childs school is in a deprived area, no pressure at school though, but everyone had spotty/own clothes day and donated.

Its pretty much passed me by this year.

.....and I love TW smile

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 16-Nov-12 22:45:21

a quid Tufty but mine rebelled

AmberLeaf Fri 16-Nov-12 22:46:07

We paid 50p, but I also put some money in the bucket at home time. [not loads, just my pocket change-couple of quid]

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:46:54

It was a £1 for mine too but if we couldn't afford it I would have given what we could afford. It is not compulsory and stop pretending it is.

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 16-Nov-12 22:48:23

as it happens I forgot the cash, so for me it certainly wasn't compulsory. We were supposed to pay for non uniform

stinkinseamonkey Fri 16-Nov-12 22:49:06

it wasn't just pjs, the kids all baked cakes this week, and at home time each child (on front of the class) asked their parents to buy them off them. Hardly voluntary is it?

IMO charity isn't really charity unless its totally willingly done and voluntary.

The kids haven't learnt anything about needy people though this BTW. would prefer if they went out and did something for the community

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:49:23

Sorry, I was responding to stinks.

Mynewmoniker Fri 16-Nov-12 22:52:05

I want to know how much money each of the 'clebs' have given for having their moment of publicity.

People like Chris Evans have enough spare to keep buying cars and bridges...couldn't he give that money if it's such a worthy cause instead of asking people like me who are financially strapped? He surely only needs one car.

Some clebs have so much they don;t know what to spend it on next!

Jinsei Fri 16-Nov-12 22:52:14

Nobody has to give to the schools if they choose not to. Send your kid in in pyjamas anyway and if you don't want to give, don't do it. They can't force you. Our school just asks for "a coin", so no embarrassment for those who don't want to pay.

tufty is TW really your dad? confused

stinkinseamonkey Fri 16-Nov-12 22:52:38

I wouldn't mind if it was just the TV thing, then you COULD just change the channel. But it's like that Catherine Tate sketch at work and in schools, people should just give what they want to to who they want to, pressuring others to support the same cause that they are in this way is annoying

stinkinseamonkey Fri 16-Nov-12 22:54:25

(tufty the pjs weren't an anonomous collection box, the kids were sent home with sponsorship forms so it can be seen who gave what (or not)

Growlithe Fri 16-Nov-12 22:54:33

How clever of you to detest CIN.

It's big in my children's school because last year a mum from the school was on it. She was appealing because her son had died at our local childrens hospice.

Our headmaster wants to raise all he can for that hospice. He is heartbroken that boy.

Hospices aren't funded by the government, so let's stop being CIN haters and think how much that service is worth, and give them a ring tonight.

TuftyFinch Fri 16-Nov-12 22:57:28

Yes jinsei.

Itsaboatjack Fri 16-Nov-12 22:59:35

I watched about 2 minutes of it and heard Terry Wogan say to Aled Jones (I think it was Aled Jones) 'now you can go to the dressing room where we'll ply you with fair maidens and alcohol'. Really! Is he so out of touch with what's going on a the moment?

inchoccyheaven Fri 16-Nov-12 23:01:37

Mynewmoniker, how do you know that Chris Evans doesn't give loads of money to charity already,and why should he only have one car confused loads of families have more than one. Are rich people only allowed to spend money on good and righteous things while the rest of us can treat ourselves to what we consider luxuries because we aren't as rich ?

I like CIN and the newreaders dancing etc. I find the segments really sad and can tug at the heart strings but if it makes my children think a little bit more about how others lives aren't as good as theirs then that's all good imo.

GreenyEyes Fri 16-Nov-12 23:01:57

Tufty I've read that he's your dad before, several times. Then I always promptly forget. grin

Fwiw I'm very jealous- not because he's famous or anything like that, but just because he seems like the loveliest kind of dad smile

Euphemia Fri 16-Nov-12 23:02:33

Bloody hell that was in poor taste, Itsaboatjack! shock What an eejit!

Jinsei Fri 16-Nov-12 23:03:14

I agree that people should just give what they want to, but if you don't want to give, just say no. There's no need to feel guilty if you genuinely can't afford it, and there's no need to feel guilty if you can afford it but you'd rather give the money to another cause. Where's the pressure?

I never find it hard to say no to charity collectors because I know that I already give what I can afford to the causes that I consider worthy. If I say no, it's because I would prefer to donate the money elsewhere or because I simply can't part with the cash. Either way, my conscience is clear. If other people want tocollect for a cause that I can't support though, I just wish them luck with it - I see no reason to get annoyed by it. confused

StuntGirl Fri 16-Nov-12 23:05:47

Well in that case your er, enthusiasm for cin makes a bit more sense tufty! grin

Jinsei Fri 16-Nov-12 23:07:59

Wow tufty grin. I love him - I like the fact that he's been around for as long as i can remember. My DSis and I used to love prancing around to the floral dance when we were kids. blush

The Eurovision isn't the same now without him.sad

Himalaya Fri 16-Nov-12 23:08:32

Bossybritches - CIN raised about £46 million last year. The government raised in the region of £600 billion. I.e. it is a drop in the ocean - less than 100th of 1%.

I don't agree that no government could ever contribute 100th of 1% more of its budget to children.

i would much rather pay tax (and find ways to make sure that companies like Starbuvks pay tax) than go in for telethons.

Karoleann Fri 16-Nov-12 23:10:11

please someone delete this thread as all the posters are morons.
its not good that we can say this, its just wrong. don't be so condesinding.
someone please delete this thread as I am completely embarressed to be a member of mumsnet.
A lot of the posters should be ashamed.

Everlong Fri 16-Nov-12 23:12:28

Ffs no not all the posters are morons.

Jinsei Fri 16-Nov-12 23:14:38

I would love to pay more tax if it meant that the government actually provided all the services that were needed and took children out of poverty etc. Much better than relying on telefilms, undoubtedly.

But the government isn't going to do that, is it? On the contrary, the current lot seem committed to tipping more and more children into poverty. So my preference is somewhat beside the point, isn't it?

Who is going to help those families while the politicians get their acts together? Are they supposed to just sit and wait? Or do we hope that charities will step in and fill the gap? I know what I think.

Jinsei Fri 16-Nov-12 23:15:59

Telefilms? confused Telethons, obviously!

noddyholder Fri 16-Nov-12 23:18:44

I hate the show it's garbage. Lots of celebs endorsing their latest hint with a good dose of guilt. I have no problem with raising money for children in need but not this way. I always give though just couldn't,t watch

Growlithe Fri 16-Nov-12 23:21:18

Hospices (children's and adult's) have never been government funded.

So what do we do? Take the mick about nights like tonight and keep our fingers crossed behind our backs that it doesn't happen to us?

Jinsei Fri 16-Nov-12 23:22:07

I'm not that keen on the show myself and don't bother watching much, but I think it encourages some people to give, so there is a value to it.

Lorelilee Fri 16-Nov-12 23:22:21

Oh FFS. CIN may not be ideal but, the fact is, a lot of people for whom 'charity' would not be on their radar, donate because of it. As I said on another thread, I don't give a shit 'why' people give for those less fortunate, I'm just glad that they do. WRT the celebs, it's up to their conscience, but I genuinely believe that Chris Evans enjoys his wealth and actively gives because he is in a position to do so and really gives a fuck about those who have not has the breaks he has.

Smeeeinit Fri 16-Nov-12 23:47:09

i detest the show.... End of.
I couldn't give a flying fuck who's dad is presenting it or what you think of me for not liking it.
FYI the reason I detest it SO much is that it's like watching a rerun of my childhood. I've no guilt in not watching, at no point have I said the cause is wank and I did state that i donate.
Now Argue amongst yourselves. I'm outta here.

Startail Fri 16-Nov-12 23:47:46

For god sake if you don't like it don't watch, but stop moaning and stop bringing politics into it.

Central or even local government are never going to be able to fund every small local charity.
Anyway the good they do is as much in the sense of community they promote and the personal experiences their fund raises share as money.

This is lost as soon as it becomes some faceless salaried officials job.

LivingThings Fri 16-Nov-12 23:54:34

I hate it but then I hate any telethon for whatever reason - it's not what I pay my license fee to watch. I support the charities I wish to with what little I can so I do not need someones begging bowl shoved in my face all evening.
Didn't realise it was Children in Need tonight - no wonder DH took up the last minute offer of a drink witha mate smile

MorrisZapp Sat 17-Nov-12 00:10:29

Sorry, how does anybody here know how much money celebrities give to charity?

goldface Sat 17-Nov-12 00:11:06

Im with growlithe, CIN supports so many crucial services that simply wouldnt exist without them. Dont like it? Dont watch it.
My kids have enjoyed the fun and have seen some of the impact CIN has.
And its the only time i get to watch Terry Wogan and I love him.
Tufty - i cried my eyes out when he left Radio 2, still miss him!x

Growlithe Sat 17-Nov-12 00:12:23

Sorry LivingThings I didn't realise there was anyone in the world who thought that there was only one TV channel. I don't know if you noticed but when you got your TV you should have been presented with a small black handheld device with a number of buttons on it. If you experiment with the buttons you will find that they will change the channels. HTH

Giglet Sat 17-Nov-12 00:32:12

I find the auctions completely revolting. The only people who have a chance to enjoy the lots are the super rich. It just flies in the face of the whole ethos of the BBC. Why can't they do a raffle which would give everyone a chance to win?

Giglet Sat 17-Nov-12 00:35:05

I realise this is about charity, but the way the auction on radio 2 is run is not in any way open to the average listener. It is a chance for the rich to pat each other on the back. Grrrr

TuftyFinch Sat 17-Nov-12 00:36:02

Because Guglet, it's not actually about you. It's about raising as much money as possible. For children. In need.

ReindeerBollocks Sat 17-Nov-12 00:37:03

DS watched it today, and got all worked up over the ill children.

The irnony is that DS is one of those ill children, and has been very sick recently.

Yet he never thinks like that. He wanted to give (he wanted to donate all of his moshi mags that he adores) just to help them, and didn't even ask why he doesn't get access to the same services.

Im not a fan of the show, admittedly, but my son has taught me that even those whose face horrendous health challenges can be loving, humble and wanting to help. So whilst I think it's cringe worthy,I'd say its well worth having it on TV, even if it's just to raise awareness.

My son has made me very proud this evening, even though we couldn't donate large amounts, I'm happy that we were able to contribute. I have no issues with families not contributing because they are struggling too.

BegoniaBampot Sat 17-Nov-12 01:18:26

Never watch these things and generally avoid them. But, the odd time like tonight I tune in for a second - I sometimes get sucked in and feel oh so grateful and reach for my purse and donate that little by extra than I might normally donate.

amarylisnightandday Sat 17-Nov-12 05:31:12

It's still not about begrudging the end user if a service. No poster on here who is anti CIN has said that. There is a lot of deliberate misunderstanding going in here because we have the audacity to question.

Of course I bring up my children to understand how fortunate they are both in the macro sense - we live I. A developed country with good infrastructure and reasonably free speech Eric and the micro - mummy is able to pay for x y and z because of my income - private swimming lessons/nice toys/days out/expensive clothes etc cannot be taken for granted or undrappreciated.i also teach them the same about non material things being equally valuable as in dd is v lucky to have 2 devoted (but separated) parents, loving GPS who live close by, a dozen close friends and their families who are nigh on siblings to my dds. I am rambling but you get the idea.
I also try and teach consequences both pustule and negative ax in telling dd1 (3) that though she is lucky to have lots of friends to play win at nursery, that probably everyone likes dd1 because she is a kind girl who is v friendly with new children and is good at sharing etc etc.

Meanwhile as they get older I feel strongly about teaching my dc why deification etc exists and the reality of social inequality. I grew up in the 80's and my parents supported the miners. Thru sent outgrown toys and clothes of mine to the north and explained the unfolding events as best they could to a primary school aged child. I agree with the poster who says the true charity is time/resources which are given entirely willingly and not through guilt/naive ity.

I prefer to support charities at a local level. Someone mentioned hospices etc not bring government funded. I support a local children's hospice v willingly. Dd1 thinks their local charity shop is a toy shop anyway wink and we give all our goods donations to them and a local refugee charity. I prefer my input/£ to stay tight here in my city and help the real people I know about who need it.
We are also supporting a friend who's dd is raising money for her own cultural exchange to an African county to teach English and do aid work. This young person is exactly the role model I want for my dds and I think it's v valuable for them to see real ground level fundraising all the way through to it paying for flights and then seeing the pictures and listening to the vying person talk about where the money went etc. no celebrities required here and v minimal overheads.
We'd also support a small charity who are racing finds to support one child through lengthy cancer treatment at a hospital not in our city - as in him having to be away from home is important for dds to understand. Dd has attended various activities for this project and the child is only couple months older than her and we know the family. Again local stuff where everything is transparent and easily understood by small folk.

I don't agree that CIN reaches people who don't normally give to charity. That is at best patronising but again I'd be interests. To see the demographic of tbf average donating family. If they are Lowe income families who donate but do not vote I imagine Dave Cameron is laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm just so ashamed. This is a first world country with huge infrastructure there is no valid reason why all the services provided by CIN cannot be government funded and its v Thatcherist that they arnt. I am apostles voters accept this situation so willingly - beg money back from the poor to pay for stuff needed by......the poor but diverted through so slebs and private enterprise a long the way.

We have to (apparently) keep the rich happy in case they leave the uk and take their pennies with them (which we refuse to tax any further) but its ok to harrass the poor to pay for the shortfall because they can't leave and frankly who cares aboard the poor anyway....(not any Tories aimless they require them to make them look worthy).

I feel the same about help for heroes it makes me so angry that I could vomit. How very bloody dare the government send troops to fight a war most of the country don't agree with, often not properly equipped, allow them to be killed or seriously injured and then refuse to pay got treatment/rehabilitation/anything on their return. Army charities should not have to exist - its a foul miscarriage of justice and supporting cin (lower case) is going the same way. I cannot and will not just blindly give money and hope for the best.

Bit if a rant - had a baby 5 days ago - hormones/pain meds/waiting for 6am feed.....I don't mean to offend anyone on purpose - these are my values and just mine smile

When I was a hippie, we used to say

"It'll be a great day when our schools have all the money they need and the Navy has to hold a bake sale to buy battleships"

givemeaclue Sat 17-Nov-12 07:42:36

Fearne should be banned from tv.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 17-Nov-12 08:19:01

'The kids haven't learnt anything about needy people though this BTW. would prefer if they went out and did something for the community'

You mean your community, seamonkey?
FWIW I taught in a school who used to receive CIN money. We were in a very deprived area.
I'd have loved to set your children to work, clearing needles, smashed glass and fouled mattresses from community areas, repairing crumbling brickwork and rotting wood, doing the heavy work to create new playground spaces, donating clothing, toys and food for the food banks, running a breakfast club. Of course, you might have to travel to deliver them, and they might get their eyes opened a little wider than you wanted them to.
Or we could have sent you a quartet of children for a week's holiday. CIN funded YHA holidays for a number of our children. They bought us a minibus, and helped fund a breakfast club.
Or were you thinking of a jolly sing-song to help them forget the poverty and deprivation they were surviving in? In our own country.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 17-Nov-12 08:21:38

The school I currently teach in had a wear your pjs for a pound day, and a cake bake. We raised hundreds.
The inequality in this country is staggering.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 17-Nov-12 08:30:25

Do I watch crap TV?
Like East Enders, I'm a Strictly in the Jungle Get me out of here Celebrity? All those Essex, Brides and Reality shows? Telethons?
My gran loves them, the children in school love them. God help me, so do some of the staff.
I have a channel changer.

stinkinseamonkey Sat 17-Nov-12 08:39:34

TheNebulus did you only read a fraction of my posts? I live in one of those deprived communities. You replied about us getting our eyes open, we see all that every time we go to the shops for milk thanks! and more!

When I was in school we used to go and do little concerts in old folks homes for example, couldn't they bake their cakes then take them to the local spinal injury home? rather than sell them back to the parents? surely they'd learn more that way? charity isn't just about feeling worthy about putting a few coins in a bucket once a year, its about getting your hands dirty and being aware.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 17-Nov-12 08:49:11

No, I read them. I just got a faceful of bile from your posts, if you don't want to join in, it's optional. It's one day.
Unlike all the current ads for Disneyland, holidays and Christmas food and presents, I know people who find the whole thing unbearable because all of it is out of reach now and is likely to be forever.

stinkinseamonkey Sat 17-Nov-12 08:49:23

I'll bet that some people who would judge me for disliking CIN week give a much lower % of their income and time to charity over the year than I do

FGS Its not the only way to give, people are allowed to dislike street charity sign up people but not CIN, why? what's the difference? all the arguements for not being allowed to dislike CIN could be applied to the street direct debit people. Can't people opt in and out to the types of charity giving that they consider a most efficient use of their money or time?

IMO yes, technically you can refuse to buy your child's cake back off them on front of their whole class and their teachers and other parents, but there's a shitty "name and shame" element to not giving to CIN that there isn't to other charitable contributions

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 17-Nov-12 08:52:08

Years and years back, we did a cake/food fundraiser for the people involved with the floods in Pakistan. Whole school involved, and the community. More than 500 individuals.We raised around £40 and the children were delighted to have felt they could make a difference. They felt proactive instead of passive.

hazeyjane Sat 17-Nov-12 08:53:19

surely it can be about both, we live in a fairly affluent area, but ds's development centre is still underfunded, and provides for children from all backgrounds. The children from the local primary school come and do a concert for the children at xmas, they also raise money for children in need. The concert is nice, but probably does more to teach the children at the primary school, than help the children at the centre. The money from children in need pays for 2 members of staff - that would be a lot of cakes to sell!

stinkinseamonkey Sat 17-Nov-12 08:54:20

it was all week here, not one day

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Sat 17-Nov-12 09:00:46

Charity (like UK taxes at the moment) seem to be all about getting Rich people on board to make poorer people part with their money for more disadvantage people somewhere to benefit.

stinkinseamonkey Sat 17-Nov-12 09:11:13

when DCs are old enough I will suggest that if they want to be involved with the school stuff they can give us some of their pocket/birthday money for us to buy their cakes to bring home or for their PJ days - it'll be up to them. And I can go back to mostly ignoring CIN. But for now with younger children it's really not much of an option to opt out without the child being singled out.

hazeyjane Sat 17-Nov-12 09:43:15

stinkin, I think you need to take it up with the school. They should be organising events that don't make children feel singled out.

My dd's primary are always careful to ask for a voluntary contribution, which is thrown in a bucket on the way into school (I had a fundraiser there recently and stood holding the bucket with ds and the girls and I can honestly say I wouldn't notice, and nor would I care, who threw money in). When I had a cake sale, I had a stash of money for kids who didn't have money to buy a cake, and we did 20p biscuits and 50p cakes, so people didn't have to bring too much in.

EdgarAllanPond Sat 17-Nov-12 09:49:12


you have lost one channel out of the scores you have to choose from to a telethon.


lots of money got raised for a worthy cause. who cares how.

Smeeeinit Sat 17-Nov-12 12:54:14

Thinking about it..... I really should've posted this somewhere else rather than AIBU.
I know I'm not unreasonable for hating it just like others hate eastenders/Corrie etc etc.... It's a tv programme that I hate not the fundraising.
I'm allowed to dislike any programme whether it involves fundraising or not.

HappyMummyOfOne Sat 17-Nov-12 14:06:44

I'm on the fence re this. On one hand it does support just the uk and smaller charities but seeing the amount it costs to fund a play therapist etc makes me think they charge so much as others are funding it rather than a nirmal living wage. Some of the stories re children having no bed to sleep on shouldnt be on the list, if parents cant provide a bed its a case for social services not CIN.

The celebs are mainly in it for promotion I agree, it woukd have been better with less celebs are more schools etc.

Fakebook Sat 17-Nov-12 14:09:45

I didn't even realise it was children in need. My Dd's school didn't do anything for it!

SoleSource Sat 17-Nov-12 14:18:00

I loved the show this year. Kylie was fab.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 17-Nov-12 14:19:25

'I didn't even realise it was children in need. My Dd's school didn't do anything for it!'

Maybe they got too much grief last year.

hazeyjane Sat 17-Nov-12 15:06:21

I don't know how much they said it costs on CinN, but a portage worker earns around £15 -20,000. A play therapist around £25,000 (similar to a physio).

fallingsun Sat 17-Nov-12 15:18:34

Yanbu. I can't stand it. The only thing worse is comic relief and chuggers on your doorstep. I give generously but discreetly to charity, I am very cynical about the BBC and celebs trying to appear good whilst coercing the public.

LynetteScavo Sat 17-Nov-12 17:21:38

Weirdly, I don't mind comic relief so much.

Smeeeinit Sat 17-Nov-12 19:01:31

Oh I hate that aswell lynette !!

1605 Sat 17-Nov-12 19:06:46


Children In Need, Bono, Bob Geldof, Comic Relief and their self-regarding hypocritical ilk all boil my piss.

Perhaps if the above named entertainers paid their rightful taxes, the rest of us need not make up the shortfall in the social services budget via charitable donations.

legoballoon Sat 17-Nov-12 19:11:07

I would pay them more not to broadcast all the 'sleb' nonsense. Honestly, 'Little Mix' and their ilk make my toes curl.

Also, what's with Wogan talking about "sexual abuse" in the first 2 minutes. I let my LOs (4 & 6) stay up to see 10 minutes of "Pudsey" as they had done something at school for it, and I don't think I'm bubble-wrapping them too much to expect not to have to explain what that is. Luckily I think they were too busy vying for best place on the sofa at the time, but I thought just saying he knew kids were "vulnerable" and other euphemistic phrases would have been better earlier on in the evening.

Fortunately, once the kids had had their 10 minutes and gone to bed, I could turn off the TV, unplug the infernal machine, and do something less brain-numbing.

Peterpan101 Sat 17-Nov-12 19:11:33

Charities exist for 3 reasons:
1. To allow the haves to feel better about the plight of the have-not's...
2. To allow the haves to feel better because they're helping the have-nots....
3. To influence the have-nots to behave, and not make the haves into have-nots....

I have worked for charities around the world....some of it is semi noble.....some of it is down right terrible......some of it criminal.

legoballoon Sat 17-Nov-12 19:14:01

And I'm glad I'm not the only one to think that getting Britain's wealthiest individuals to bid for luxury experiences is just rubbing salt in most people's (global recession) wounds: "We're all in it together"?

If you can really afford to spend £250k on a weekend in Monaco, shame on you for holding onto that cash when you could have donated it to a 'good cause' before, and still had your F1 jaunt. Absolutely nauseating.

Please don't say the 'B' name. I get violent. The one ending in 'O'

hazeyjane Sat 17-Nov-12 19:22:11

PeterPan, I am trying to work out which category the children's disability centre, that ds attends, fits into!

Peterpan101 Sat 17-Nov-12 19:26:45

Absolutely.....and there is NO SUCH THING as an anonymous donation!!

Chuggers know well that man/woman couples are the best targets as the man wants to impress his partner.....the same is true for anonymous donations....there's some wealthy man some where trying to impress a lady on the end of every one!!

For those who think it is a disgrace that we in the UK have charities. Even the most egalitarian societies have them...there are always poor/unfortunate somewhere that come to our rescue to be helped!!

The richer and more successful we become the more spare cash we will have to give. Help for Heroes is a good example. Never have our wounded soldiers been better looked after....and never have we raised so much to add to what the Govt has already given!! (thank a god, any god!).

Peterpan101 Sat 17-Nov-12 19:31:32

Hazey, I was of course talking about the people that donate.....if we had considerably more taxation, that centre could be supported by Govt funds.

But people would still want to donate to a different charity that THEY SET UP....and do it in a better making themselves feel better by doing it.

Some times the reasons why we are trying to make ourselves feel better are very personal.

stinkinseamonkey Sun 18-Nov-12 13:11:09

when there was a thread about the most aggressive outbound calling charities, and how people stopped donating to certain charities because of it (personally, shelter, who were nasty when I politely explained that I donated on an ad-hoc basis not DD because we got close to that fine line ourselves some months).. nobody got shitty with the posters who didn't like the wasy those charities were opporating

why the amnesty with CIN? why can't we be discerning and choose how to give? why is it reasonable to not like donating to buckets on shop counters (I don't because of the % that get nicked) or street DD collecters or aggressive outbound callers or charities that use shocking images etc?

I don't like how things are done in CIN week one bit! I'm not campaigning to prevent anyone else from donating, so why are some posters so defensive?

FutTheShuckUp Sun 18-Nov-12 14:00:47

Its great to open people's eyes up to what goes on out in the big wide world- how inequality in child health exists, how horrible illnesses effect children and the support thats needed to help in these situations.
However it really doesnt sit right that the BBC carries this event out when they operated a paedophile ring all those years back (probably when CIN first came to be) and a blind eye was turned to those children who were truly in need and allowed to be abused by its big names.

Smeeeinit Sun 18-Nov-12 14:17:49

Well put futtheshuckup

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