to wonder why i don't crap my pants every time i blow bubbles?(33 Posts)
My first aibu...so here goes...
Gah i am so fed up with frivolous advice regarding my dd's chronic constipation, if one more person suggests getting my dd to blow bubbles when she is on the potty I will reply "I wondered way I always shift myself when I blow bubbles". She's more interested in dunking the bubble wand and holding the bottle and spilling the mixture.
I've heard and done it all, freshly squeezed juice, apricots, porridge, every f-ing thing. She's on movicol and lactose and I still spent 5 hours with her today with her crying saying her tummy hurt, to no avail.
She's been like this so long it is really stopping us doing fun things. I didn't take her out this afternoon because it really seemed the poo was on its way any minute and then hour after hour went by. She can't settle to anything because she's so uncomfortable and hops from foot to foot in the effort to keep it in.
She had her 2 1/2 year review with the hv the other day and all she could offer was a fact sheet
Agh, stupid tablet computer made me post before I was finished...
I know this is a really common problem, why isn't there better and more comprehensive advice? My gp was beyond rubbish, when I asked him whether I should cut out foods like bananas he said he couldn't see why I should because they would add bulk to her stools.
My DD had really bad consitpation when little
We were advised by a consultant to give as much lactulose as it would take to make her stools actually loose, not really runny but very, very soft, and to keep it up for a minimum of six months to allow her rectum to get back to a normal shape so it wouldn't keep filling up with poo.
That did work really well.
When it recurred a year or so later, i used a glycerin suppository once and that sorted it.
Bless you, I know it sucks. My DD1 used to hold her poo and then become constipated, and it was a nightmare for everybody. It was mainly talking to one or two other parents who had been in similar situations that helped me. (one poor girl had been hospitalized and eventually needed play therapy to work it out.)
The "pooland" printout was a bit helpful for her, in that is helped her to understand what was going on and why she was feeling poorly. Good luck. Eventually this too will pass...
I've never heard the blowing bubbles thing. i can't see how it would make a blind bit of difference. What i have heard is getting them to blow up a balloon. If you 'assume the position' as it were on the toilet and try blowing up a balloon you can feel those muscles in the nether regions loosing.
Having said all that had the same problem with my youngest son and it didn't work mainly as he had no interest in blowing up the balloon.
Eventually what finally swung it for us when he was five was his best friend inviting him for a sleep over. He was soooooooooooo excited but I said I couldn't say yes until I was happy he was using the toilet like a big boy. It seemed to be the incentive we needed (sticker charts and the like never worked) for the problem to be sorted (however he never poos in any toilet except ours at home which does cause problems on holiday............ he's now 8!)
We also had a nightmare with this and yes, it is infuriating when people suggest offering chocolate buttons as bribes or sticker charts - as though you haven't already tried that and a zillion other things!!
The blowing bubbles thing is particularly patronising and doesn't work.
Can you find out if you have a continence clinic in your area? I was fortunate in that my HV referred DD to our local clinic where we've been seeing a continence nurse for 6 months. She put DD on good old fashioned Senokot and although it's taken a long time with a few tears on the way, DD is now past her horrible fear of pooing!
Definitely worth asking I reckon.
Best thread title I've seen in a long time!
Yes to continence clinic, horrid name but hey ho
Anecdotally avoid bananas and weetabix, they can really dry out in transit, producing hard difficult to pass poos
Up fluid intake, water is best
How many movicol sachets is she on at the mo?
I feel the same. DD is 3.8, no one cares or has any helpful advice outside of lactulose and stickers.
I will actually stab the next person who says she 'just isn't ready' for potty training. Why is it only Poo that's a problem then you idiot?!
Thank you all, I needed to vent. I'll definitely ask about a continence clinic when I see the GP again next week.
Feel cheered by your lovely responses (maybe aibu not so scary after all phew)
Good to know we are not alone
It has cheered me up a bit too! Think I will go and ask about continent clinic too (and bin the weetabix).
I second the "pour in the lactulose till it's soft, then keep doing it" advice - the cycle needs breaking, then the whole bowel needs "retraining". People tend to give the softeners/laxatives just until they see a single softie, then stop. It takes as long to retrain as the child's been constipated for. Plough on!
It's kinda counter-intuitive innit, yknow, weetabix and nana, why, they're GOOD for you
I will be on laptop later, will come back to this if you like
Not a professional, or an expert, apart from on my child lol
Grim I think the real experts in this are the parents who've sat for hours with a distressed child doing all the tricks in the book to produce the all elusive bm! The health professionals advice all seems so superficial so far. You have to fight to get good advice. So yes, any further advice gratefully received
ok, on laptop now
yes to distended bowel taking as long to recover as it took to get so bad, this is a long-haul type of journey
movicol, how many per day? we had to go up to I think 8 or maybe 12? can't quite recall, to get a clear out (poonami) then gradual reducing of the doseage to stop re-backing-up, over many many months
we still avoid - pasta, pizza, white bread, these all tend to bung up my kid if I'm not on the ball with extra water/fruit to counteract
night mare, and no one fookin talks about it
god yes, the HOURS with the sore tummy, and the bobbing on and off the loo, and the days out cancelled, and the grumpyness, and loss of appetite and the downward spiral
She's on just one movicol a day and 1 large spoonful of lactose. She's only wee, she's 2.4. Her bowels have never been hard or dry, she's always had fairly sloppy stools. She's just pooed in her nappy in bed this evening in the last 1/2 hour. It was a massive explosion type and foul. I'm reluctant to increase her medication as the consistency has never been bad, I just want her to try and push it out more herself, she seems incapable of pushing it out and engaging the right muscles.
I reckon we had the poonami this evening
the thing to watch for - again it's counter-intuitive - is that constipation can present as diarrhoea or sloppy poos, as the fresh poo flows around the lump sitting there. One thinks that oh, our kid's had a clear out but no, not necessarily so.
Totally I would say to you to get referred to the continence clinic, partic as you mention she almost doesn't know HOW to push out a poo.
in hte meantime have a dig round eric, this website is fantastic
OP you have all my sympathy - DD had chronic constipation from a very early age. It was hell.
We tried lactulose but the only thing that worked for us was movicol. We had to go up to about 8 sachets before anything happened!
DD didn't seem to know 'how' to poo either but she seems to be getting it now - she's 5.
It is so soul destroying to have people give you advice like the bubble blowing......
Crap pants? I almost just pissed myself! What kind of stupid advice is that?
DS used to get v constipated. A combo of prune juice and exercise (lay him on his back and pedal his legs) with an occasional gentle abdo massage* helped but wasn't necessarily instantaneous. Sometimes a tiny bit of syrup of fig worked (2.5ml in a syringe) but it always involved tummy ache and runny tummy. Works better than Dyno Rod though.
*warm mild massage oil, like almond oil, rubbed gently into skin of the abdomen in a clockwise direction. DO NOT PRESS. If they fart, it's working, so watch where you stand.
Oh after the hell I went through last month I sympathise.....I now sprinkle linseed over my breakfast cereal to prevent future backlogs.
Giving dd a chewable probiotic from this age helped get and keep her regular. You can buy kids ones.
Blowing bubbles does not fucking work.
Bribery, lactulose and toy confiscation did though.
I would def agree with the advice above. I suffered with chronic constipation as a child, teen and adult. Once you have cleared out the blockage I have found the only thing that keeps me regular is fairly huge daily quantities of raw vegetables - soluble fibre. Normal fibre, i.e. bran flakes, etc just make things way worse. I have raw veggies with every meal plus 3 snacks of raw veggies a day. Exercise helps too. I swim every day.
I feel your pain op! My dd is 3.2 and has been suffering from chronic constipation since she was 2. I'd definitely agree with getting referred to the incontinence clinic or even a pead specialist (my daughter is under both). I found my gp who is good, to be crap at dealing with this problem.
We cut out any foods that we noticed were 'blocking' her, bananas etc.
Atm my dd is on 2 sachets a day of movicol and has to do 3 five minute sits on the potty a day, one after breakfast, lunch and dinner. I don't get her to blow bubbles, I let her bring her potty in to the living room and stick on her fav cartoon. She has a chart her pead gave her and if she manages a poo during one of her sits she gets a sticker and if not she gets a tick.
I would wonder if your daughter poo's tend to be quite sloppy if maybe she could be still blocked up and what she is getting out is just overflow leaking around the blockage? Is her tummy nice and soft? I think the main thing with the movicol is to give a good clean out first and then lower the dose to a maintenance level.
Hope you get some answers soon
Blowing bubbles did help my DS, along with a step for his feet when he's on the loo. However I know from speaking to other friends with experience of this that it doesn't work for every child.
I would second (third?) the suggestion of an evacuation dose of movicol to clear out any impacted stool that could be causing problems.
My DS is 8 and we're still dealing with chronic constipation and encopresis and will be doing our own evacuation over the weekend as he's gone 5 days with no action. Like Supergiggles' DD, my DS is on 2 sachets a day with a 3 times sitting routine, but sometimes he get impacted and we need to clear him out.
I would also press the GP for a referral to the continence clinic. We found the GPs very reluctant to refer us until DS was 4 as before then poo incontenance wasn't considered a problem, however I believe if we'd been referred earlier we may well not be battling with his bowels today.
Just remembered - GP told me not to give apples (made me laugh at him; "But it's fresh fruit!") or apple juice (laughed again...) He told me "You use apples to make jam, it's what makes the squishy fruit go firm in the jar...it's called pectin"
DS was constipated right from the start of taking solids. Was given lactulose to start with, but actually it didn't work for him, even at high doses. Movicol worked fine, and I watched his diet. When he was a toddler, it was clear that he was suffering pain with big poos, so he was trying to hold it all back, which obviously increases the problem.
Eventually, DP and I were able to talk him through how his tummy felt when he needed a poo, and how he needed to use his muscles to squeeze it out. He'd been trying to avoid it for so long he didn't know how it should feel.
He's now 8 and appears to finally be growing out of his problem. We still have Movicol for him, used on occasions when he's facing a bit of a build up and hasn't gone for two or three days. Most of the time he goes normally now, although it might appear odd to other people that we keep checking if he's pooed that day.
He will even tell me if he's not pooed for a couple of days and can he have his "tummy juice" please. It helped that our doctor's daughter was facing the same problem.....
I should add that it took us at least a year of gently talking to DS about how his muscles/tummy should feel before he started to understand, which for us was the breakthrough in beginning to solve the problem.
He actually developed a certain way of sitting on his heels, that would tell us he needed to go and was holding back. We would whisk him off to a toilet whenever we spotted him sat like that.
DS is only just beginning to get that sensation back (the feeling has the best name ever "the call to stool") About 6 months ago he started telling me his "tummy feels funny" and I realised that was him getting the feeling back. It's such a horrible thing to watch your child deal with, he's been having tiny accidents for the last couple of days and he's been so depressed. He is just desperate to be better.
He's older now so we've given him his own diary to fill in, so he keeps a track of his accidents and bowel movements which really seems to have helped.
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