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to ask if you've voted for a Police Commissioner yet?

(148 Posts)
grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:08:48

I have. Not a very exciting experience.

Pandemoniaa Thu 15-Nov-12 15:10:23

No. I haven't. And when I do go and vote I intend to spoil the ballot paper because actually, I disagree with the whole idea of a Police Commissioner.

Anniegetyourgun Thu 15-Nov-12 15:12:56

Last time I went round to the polling station it was heavin'. Today I practically had to wake the polling clerks up. They seemed humbly grateful to see anyone at all.

I considered boycotting it, actually, or not bothering, but happened to follow a link to my local candidates the other day and found there was one in particular who was very nasty, so I used my two votes for people who weren't him, basically. (One of them even seemed to know something vaguely about policing, which was a bonus.)

No.
If they can't be bothered to let me know who they are, what they stand for etc then I can't be bothered to pick one of them.
We've had no information/ leaflets/ posters/ nothing round here. hmm

YDdraigGoch Thu 15-Nov-12 15:17:13

I totally disagree with this election, and the whole concept of police commissioners. I considered not voting, but have come to the conclusion that, as it's a fait accompli, I might as well have my say.

That said however, I have no idea who to vote for. We haven't received any literature about candidates in our area. Nor do I know what the voting system is - how many people can you vote for?

I've googled and found that there is only one candidate who is unaffiliated to a political party, so I guess I'm going to go with him. I really don't think that the police commissioner (if we have to have one) should be endorsed by a politcial party.

onyx72 Thu 15-Nov-12 15:17:13

I did vote: if only to make sure the ukip nutter didn't get in.

BreconBeBuggered Thu 15-Nov-12 15:17:15

I have. But I don't know many others who are planning to vote, and some of those who are intend to spoil their papers like Pandemoniaa

It was eerily quiet in the polling station. Have to say, this has been the weirdest election. But as far as I can tell, at least not much money has been wasted keeping the electorate informed about the candidates.

Iodine Thu 15-Nov-12 15:17:45

I would go and vote but like whenisitmysleepytime, I have had nothing to let me know who they are!

Yes I have. I feel very strongly that I should always use my vote, people died to get it for me.

It did irritate me that I had to go looking to find out who was standing though.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:18:29

You get two votes but only have to use one.

MaxPepsi Thu 15-Nov-12 15:19:12

Not yet as at work and in all honesty considering I have not a fucking clue who is standing it's not bloody likely either.

I have emailed them today saying info on the candidates would have been pretty useful and that I seriously hoped they were not expecting a good turn out as I think they'll be disappointed!!

I do however not like the idea of not at least spoiling my ballot paper. My dad instilled into me at a young age how his mother (she had him late and he had me late) fought to get women the vote!!

Anyone wanting to look up their candidates can do it here - Choose My PCC

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:20:24

You can find your candidates here. All you have to do is enter your postcode.

http://www.choosemypcc.org.uk/

I find it a bit strange that I am expected to vote for someone I know less than bog all about. Am I alone in thinking that if a person wants electing then getting themselves out there is a basic requirement? I don't know who these people are or what they want - or indeed why I should pick one over another.

Pandemoniaa Thu 15-Nov-12 15:23:17

My grandmother was a supporter of the Suffragette Movement. She was also a local councillor and was very intolerant of women not using their vote. Which is why, in extreme circumstances (and today is one of them) I will not abtain altogether but I will spoil the ballot paper. Because that is exercising my right to vote since all spoilt papers have to be counted.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:23:40

Badgers, I rather agree with you. My force is Thames Valley which covers Oxford, Reading, Newbury and thousands of square miles of countryside. There must be 10+ parliamentary constituencies. Hard for a candidate to get noticed.

Iodine Thu 15-Nov-12 15:25:27

Thanks for that Angel. Having looked at mine, there is just not enough information for me to make a decision. I don't want a waffly mission statement that says nothing, I want to hear what they're going to do!

I agree grovel - it just makes me think that maybe they don't want to get elected! I've seen better campaigning for the Y7 school rep ffs!

greensnail Thu 15-Nov-12 15:26:37

Yes I have as I feel it is important to vote and show my daughters that I am voting.

Dh downloaded a leaflet from the internet with details about the candidates so we could both decide who to vote for.

You can indicate a first and second choice candidate on the voting paper.

I was the only one there when I voted but it was 10 am so not a peak time. The staff seemed to be counting down time until they could have a cup of tea!

LoonyRationalist Thu 15-Nov-12 15:27:15

I have, although it is a by election here too so more imperative to attend, I suspect our area may have an artificially high turnout for the police commissioner vote!

Re: information we have been bombarded by info on the by election candidates, the conservative candidate alone delivered 3 pieces of information to my house yesterday - all different deliveries too! One info leaflet about the police commissioners. However the info is one click away on the internet so I don't really see what the issue is regarding information, a poor excuse I'm afraid.

I also don't agree with the police commissioner vote, however as it is going to happen anyway I don't see the value in not having a say in who gets the job.

Iodine Thu 15-Nov-12 15:28:27

How do I spoil my ballot card?

threesocksmorgan Thu 15-Nov-12 15:28:44

I haven't and won't be going to vote.
first time ever for me, but we have had no information at all about it, so I would just picking a randome name, so rather pointless

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:32:38

"Iodine" - I'd draw a picture of Ed Miliband on it. That would spoil any bit of paper.

Actually, you just scribble all over the ballot paper or write an objection to the election on it.

MaxPepsi Thu 15-Nov-12 15:33:03

However the info is one click away on the internet so I don't really see what the issue is regarding information, a poor excuse I'm afraid.

How does that help my parents who have no internet? And the countless other people who don't have access to a computer.

ihavenofuckingclue Thu 15-Nov-12 15:34:06

Yes but that's because my dad is the campaign manager for the independent in out area. So we all went first thing.

derekthehamster Thu 15-Nov-12 15:35:00

I have voted. I researched it all on line as i've had no info about the candidates.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:36:19

MaxPepsi, 7 million people don't have access to the internet (which makes this approach to democracy a nonsense). IMO it's a shame because I think Police Commissioners have the potential to be a whole lot more effective than the Local Police Authorities they are replacing.

pecans Thu 15-Nov-12 15:39:50

Have voted - I disagree with the whole thing (doesn't everyone!) but since the elections are happening I wanted to use my vote. i thought politics should stay out of it but draw the line at the UKIP candidate! The Conservative one is a woman who puts being a school governor as a top reason why she should be managing the area's police force, so she was easy to discount. I have voted for the guy who has been head of police authority and also lives near my town.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:47:58

Pecans, are you in Sussex?

Is there some sort of election on then? News to me... No sign of it round here.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 15:49:58

Gwendoline, where are you?

No election in London.

Pandemoniaa Thu 15-Nov-12 15:50:02

I'm wondering that, grovel. Sounds like a very familiar line-up.

LoonyRationalist Thu 15-Nov-12 15:50:47

MaxPepsi perhaps your parents could have called the freephone number advertised on the numerous TV & Radio adverts?

TBH my internet jibe was aimed at those typing on here that they had no info.

Surrey. Have looked online and there does appear to be one but you'd never guess it from anyone round here. Not a peep.

pecans Thu 15-Nov-12 15:51:06

I am indeed grovel

Pandemoniaa Thu 15-Nov-12 15:52:28

I know of whom you refer, then pecans. They're all on the ballot paper I intend to spoil!

Narked Thu 15-Nov-12 15:54:07

I don't want an election at all. I don't want a party politics involved.

My voting choices are:

A Conservative - not going to happen
A former Conservative now UKIP - see above
A former Conservative now Indie - see above
A Lib Dem - see above
Labour - if I have to vote the only option for me, but I want an independent
A scary man

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 16:56:56

Well at least she's a governor of Roedean.

Pandemoniaa Thu 15-Nov-12 16:58:35

Ah yes, Roedean. We used to play them at lacrosse. I am even less convinced of her suitability.

Sirzy Thu 15-Nov-12 16:58:46

I went to vote but just spoilt my paper, only bothered to go at all as I was walking past. Big farce if you ask me!

I'd draw a picture of Ed Miliband on it. That would spoil any bit of paper.

Now I'd vote that winner of 'pithiest and funniest comment of the week* every time!!

grin

I can see Roedean from my front garden. Just thought I'd add that snippet!

Pandemoniaa Thu 15-Nov-12 17:01:26

Your name suggests Saltdean to me, BB.

bamboobutton Thu 15-Nov-12 17:13:33

I voted.

Went for the independent candidate as he used to be police so assumed he had some idea of how to spend budgets or whatever it is they're supposed to do.

pecans Thu 15-Nov-12 17:21:54

Seriously - a Roedean school governor!!! She'll probably get in.

CharminglyOdd Thu 15-Nov-12 17:24:06

I went and spoilt my ballot paper, as did DP and another of our friends. We all wrote (not that anyone will read it, but it felt satisfying!) "A police commissioner should not be a political appointment."

There were a few people already crossed off at 10am, although we were the only ones in there at the time.

StuntGirl Thu 15-Nov-12 17:24:26

Just checked. None of mine are independent, mores the shame. Guess I'll vote for the only one with any legal knowledge then.

SecretCervix Thu 15-Nov-12 17:24:56

I'm going to sound daft here but I have never voted how does one spoil their ballet paper? Do you just scribble on it and put it in the box?

YDdraigGoch Thu 15-Nov-12 17:27:58

The deed is done!

Yep I have.
No way to UKIP, Tories or Lib Dems.
Only two left then.

pepperrabbit Thu 15-Nov-12 17:34:09

I voted. i refuse to vote for a political candidate so went independent, but even he had history.
It was very exciting as I've been stuck indoors for a month with pneumonia and DH drove me to the polling station.
it wasn't what you'd call busy

Secret you could always draw a biiiiig willy on it grin

stargirl1701 Thu 15-Nov-12 17:35:56

No. I live in Scotland. We're not getting them. Instead we are getting one police force for the entire country. Not sure when it starts mind you.

ontheedgeofwhatever Thu 15-Nov-12 17:46:57

We went at 4pm and there was a queue!! A small queue but from what has been said here that was unusual grin

Scholes34 Thu 15-Nov-12 17:52:17

DH was up at 5.00 am today, as he's involved in running the whole thing in our area. He won't be back until about 2.00 am. Do go and vote, if only to spoil your paper, to make my DH and others like him feel all their efforts over the past few weeks - finalising the register, printing ballot papers, looking for polling stations, employing all the poll clerks and presiding officers, carrying out relevant training - are worth something.

Thank you!

zlist Thu 15-Nov-12 17:54:41

I hadn't and wasn't going to (DH the same) but after seeing this thread I made the effort to have a look online and make a decision (independent - the only one of six candiates with any policing experience and the only independent candidate who had bothered to provide any information. Quite an easy choice really!). I will be dropping our postal votes off at the polling station shortly...

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 17:57:14

This is an interesting thread.

We are replacing Police Authorities with individuals.

Who sat on Police Authorities?

Most police authorities have 17 members:

Nine local Councillors appointed by the local Council
Eight independent members selected following local advertisements, at least one of whom must be a magistrate

OK, so a majority were politicians - the rest were appointed. No-one ever voted these people into the role.

I'm inclined to like replacing an unelected committee with an elected individual. I'm told (this is anecdote) that most Chief Constables held their Police Authorities in (disguised) contempt. They were talking shops which never gave clear direction and often gave conflicting advice.

We just don't seem to have worked out how to arrange a fair and, preferably apolitical, election.

TennisFan42 Thu 15-Nov-12 17:59:34

I also think it's important to use my vote but disagree with this election so me and DH are going to go this evening and spoil our papers.

Your name suggests Saltdean to me, BB - smile I can see why you might think that but no - further west, borderline bandit country!!

I have. I voted for the two that bothered to campaign and provide information.

ontheedgeofwhatever Thu 15-Nov-12 18:04:12

charminglyodd they WILL read it. When the votes are counted,any spoilt or questionable ballot papers are pulled out and towards the end candidates and their agents are called over and asked to agree that a paper should either be rejected as spoilt or should be counted as a valid vote.

Of course if you have only 1 independent candidate they may even try to argue that you've cast a valid vote for them (though they probably won't succeed grin )

AlwaysHoldingOnToStarbug Thu 15-Nov-12 18:07:38

I'm in Sussex too and have narrowed it down to 2 candidates - not Tory, Lib Dem or UKIP. Just have to wander down to vote now, and try and persuade DH to vote too.

They were expecting such a low turn out they didn't shut my kids school, just used a side office as the polling station.

IvorHughJanusAndABulgingSack Thu 15-Nov-12 18:11:22

Yes, I have. We have two Independent candidates standing so voted for both. I don't agree with the idea but if it has to happen it should be an Independent heading it. The police are a non-political organisation, that was the whole point of the 'new' police as designed by Robert Peel, and should stay that way.

LineRunner Thu 15-Nov-12 18:16:20

I forgot to vote on my way to work and on the way back (walk past the bloody polling station).

Out of guilt, I will go and vote later. Maybe the polling clerks will be pleased to see someone later on. Shall I take chocolate? smile

Tempted to draw big willy, but will vote for the one and two most against privatisation of the Police. (Not the Tory, then.)

Molepomandmistletoe Thu 15-Nov-12 18:20:33

I ripped mine up and posted it back to them with a note explaining what I thought of the idea and to count it as a spoilt vote.

colleysmill Thu 15-Nov-12 18:29:15

Interestingly one of our local candidates has failed to add any spiel to the Choose your PCC website - he didn't get my vote

Aman1975 Thu 15-Nov-12 18:30:18

I voted because , living in Bedfordshire, there is a right wing extreme nutter standing here and my vote cancels out one of theirs. Check the candidates in your area on line, you might have a nutter standing where you are. The lower the turnout the better the extreme parties have of getting in.

LineRunner Thu 15-Nov-12 18:32:36

Agreed, Aman.

GrendelsMum Thu 15-Nov-12 18:33:13

I've been there - voted for the two people with experience, which sounded like a good starting point for the job ...

BoakFace Thu 15-Nov-12 18:34:17

I voted first choice independent and second choice conservative.

Very empty polling station - they said that only 60 of the registered 700 or so had been.

colleysmill Thu 15-Nov-12 18:42:12

Do they need to have a minimum turnout to make the vote valid?

LineRunner Thu 15-Nov-12 18:44:19

No, I don't think so, colley.

Worley Thu 15-Nov-12 18:48:13

what time does voting finish ? I forgot about it till seeing this ..

Bogeyface Thu 15-Nov-12 18:50:37

I have objected by not voting, my theory being that if the turnout is so incredibly low they will realise what a total waste of time and money it all is and they wont bother again.

BartletForTeamGB Thu 15-Nov-12 18:52:05

Just been, but it was empty.

I voted to avoid the English Democrats (Everything is the fault of the Scots and immigrants) chap winning.

LineRunner Thu 15-Nov-12 19:00:05

10pm close of polls.

Worley Thu 15-Nov-12 20:21:59

I voted. poll woman said it had been a really low turn out..

AnyaKnowIt Thu 15-Nov-12 20:23:56

I have spoiled my vote

I knew it was today but no idea who was standing, first time I've heard of that website.

CremeEggThief Thu 15-Nov-12 20:25:03

Yes. The poll lady described the turnout as 'pitiful', at just before 6 p.m.

cbeebiesatemybrain Thu 15-Nov-12 20:37:37

I've just been and the place was empty! The people in there said they were pleased to see someone so its been like that all day. I don't really agree with the idea but its going to happen anyway so I may as well have a say in who gets elected.

nannynick Thu 15-Nov-12 20:44:42

Yes, just been, wasn't very busy though did see two people arrive as I was leaving.

In my area we fortunately have an Independent standing who also happens to be chairman of the policy authority, so they were the sensible vote I felt, as I don't want it to be a party political thing.

The ChooseMyPCC website address was printed on my polling card along with a 0800 number, so I used the website to look up the candidates - though I guess people without an internet connection could call for information.

ilovesooty Thu 15-Nov-12 20:52:02

As I work in criminal justice I wouldn't consider not voting and I'll be going out in a few minutes. I shall be voting for the Labour candidate who simply appears best equipped to do the job.

I can't really see why anyone with an internet connection would say they haven't had any information. Our candidates have been on local radio too.

R2PeePoo Thu 15-Nov-12 20:52:19

I voted to cancel out a vote for the English Democrat candidate.

I voted for one of the independents, but the polling station was empty. The polling people were bored enough to compete to entertain my children whilst I voted.

Both DC got the suffrage lecture on the way in.

Loveweekends10 Thu 15-Nov-12 20:54:52

Nope we won't be voting. It is a ridiculous idea. I don't want the police to be politicians. I want police to be police. It's based on an American system.
It's going to end up being a police service for the rich and powerful.
It fills me with dread, no one has even tried to alleviate those concerns. I wouldn't have a bloody clue who I would be voting for. I've seen no one!

TheOldestCat Thu 15-Nov-12 20:56:28

Yes I voted. But mainly to help cancel out the English Democrat candidate, like R2PeePoo.

We're in favour of the election in this house, though, as it's DD's birthday and she thinks the school (polling station) was closed because of her big day. I had to use one of my precious 14 days of leave a year though (am trying not to be grumpy about this because of DD).

fullofwoe Thu 15-Nov-12 20:59:43

I have spoilt my ballot paper by writing my objection on it.

picnicbasketcase Thu 15-Nov-12 21:03:04

I have spoilt my ballot paper by taking it to Disney world, filling its room with expensive gadgets and buying it more chocolate than it could ever eat.

BoakFace Thu 15-Nov-12 21:13:56

grin picnicbasketcase

LineRunner Thu 15-Nov-12 21:21:51

I let mine climb all over library shelving.

Bogeyface Thu 15-Nov-12 21:23:54

I didnt spoil mine because I am a far better voter than you. Mine didnt deserve anything so we stayed at home.

When I say something, I mean it, not like you PFV ers indulging your brats hmm

RuleBritannia Thu 15-Nov-12 21:29:46

I voted but did website homework first. We'd had one paper through the letter box about a candidate (conservative) which meant that his party paid for his what there was of a campaign - so I didn't vote for him. I voted for a UKIP for 1 and an Independent for 2. For once, I don't care who knows where my X went.

picnicbasketcase Thu 15-Nov-12 21:32:07

Bogeyface gringrin

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Thu 15-Nov-12 21:39:38

I didn't vote because I forgot blush In my defence:

1) Today was my first day on my own with a newborn and a toddler;
2) We have had a total of 2 leaflets through the door. That has been the entire 'campaign'. Both candidates seemed like nice enough blokes who might do a good job of whatever it is they're supposed to be doing so I don't really care who gets it; and
3) I think the whole idea is rubbish anyway and I was only going to vote because I think voting is a good thing to do.

Bogeyface Thu 15-Nov-12 22:01:55

Slightly you didnt need to get passed #1 for that be a perfectly acceptable reason to not turn out!

Bogeyface Thu 15-Nov-12 22:02:16

past...ffs.....I am soooo tired!

Bogeyface Thu 15-Nov-12 22:03:08

no, it is passed isnt it?!

I cant even go to bed, I have to wait for the washer to finish its stupidly long cycle because I forgot that tomorrow is CIN day and the kids outfits werent clean blush

LulaPalooza Thu 15-Nov-12 22:04:59

I'm in London, so no voting here.

We're stuck with that insufferable buffoon Boris as PCC

Notquite Thu 15-Nov-12 22:08:22

I voted on the grounds that if you don't vote you cant whinge when G4S are running the local CID. Though in fact all the candidates insisted it was the furthest thought from their minds...

Iodine Thu 15-Nov-12 22:11:20

I think the problem has been lack of information. I don't watch local TV or listen to the radio so havn't been reminded to look online for info about the candidates. I'm also much more likely to read something that has come through my door than to remember to search online for the info.

FWIW, I did a quick search today and came up with what looked like personal statements of the candidates. I don't care what school they went to or what their hobbies are FFS.

Tiggles Thu 15-Nov-12 22:15:39

I spoilt my vote - if someone wants a job earning £100k I expect them to make an effort to get my vote, not have me searching for them on the net, which is what I wrote on the vote paper. I voted about 9pm, at which point there had been about 3% turn out in our ward!

GrendelsMum Thu 15-Nov-12 22:15:49

I said that to the women manning the polling station, and they said that there wasn't any funding for mailout to people about the candidates, so if you didn't check online, you didn't find out anything about them.

We agreed that they could have managed something, even if it was a 1 page article summarising it all in the parish magazine or the village noticeboard!

Bogeyface Thu 15-Nov-12 22:19:40

We had no information locally at all, not even in the local paper. As Littlemiss said, I expect a bit of effort on their part! And there was nothing on the local radio either, cant say about TV as I dont watch local news etc.

I nearly boycotted it, but there were candidates who I definitely didn't want to get in, so I voted. Having seen how spoilt ballot papers are ignored, I didn't spoil mine as the only person who would take any notice would be me.

Aerobreaking Thu 15-Nov-12 22:23:07

"I'm in London, so no voting here.

We're stuck with that insufferable buffoon Boris as PCC"

<sighs> in solidarity with Lula

Though I spoke to my parents an hour or so ago, they had just been to vote (like OP, also in Sussex) because they know one of the candidates (the one with experience of the police board). Polling people said turnout had been crap apparantly.

I voted but we also had a by-election here today. I also took my PFB to vote for the first time.

I had to scuttle past the poor man that had the misfortune to try to canvass at my house on Saturday morning while I was in the throes of PMT. I nearly bit his head off blush

I wonder (and hope) whether Independents will win a lot of positions, as it seems to me that its quite likely that those who vote will tend to have strong feelings that this should either not happen at all or at least have nothing to do with politics.

Viperidae Thu 15-Nov-12 22:27:05

In our house DH, DD and I are all eligible to vote and have all decided not to, much as that grieves me.

Our area has 4 candidates, all representing political parties so no independents. None of them have campaigned and their campaign statements on the PCC website are almost identical.

WineGless Thu 15-Nov-12 22:40:53

I have voted as I couldn't waste a vote as a feminist.

That doesn't mean I agree with the system. Its wrong that
A) only one person is accountable -surely an elected committee would be better, less chance of corruption
B) the police should Not be politically affiliated

Shelly32 Thu 15-Nov-12 22:44:02

Car broken into no response just an incident number. Last house vandalised and constant anti social behaviour reported. Nothing. Couldn't give a shit about the new police commissioner.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 22:46:36

WineGless, what was happening before? An unelected committee selected by Councils by the political vote (plus a few unelected independents-always the minority).

mamababa Thu 15-Nov-12 22:47:11

I havent, there are few truly independent candidates (basically because it costs too much to campaign) do who paid for it? A total waste of money, I told DH to go for it (he works in the police) he told me he wasn't qualified. Neither are the rest of them. If there is a job there people should have applied and be interviewed. Politicians running the police. Grrrrrrrr angry

Woozley Thu 15-Nov-12 22:47:31

I voted for Ann Barnes.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 22:49:32

mamababa, but who was running the police authorities before?

coppertop Thu 15-Nov-12 22:52:43

I voted but the place was deserted.

I was talking to some pensioners outside, who told me they had no idea it was voting day. They immediately went over to the polling station to vote.

I suspect that there will be a lot of older people who have missed it due to not having internet access and/or the confidence and ability to use it.

kdiddy Thu 15-Nov-12 22:54:46

I didn't vote today, and it's my first time ever (well, apart from when I was on honeymoon for the general election and couldn't sort out a postal or proxy vote in time).

It pained me really, as I do think everybody should exercise their right to vote, but DS has been really demanding today and the one time I could have gone to vote... he had a randomly long nap. TBH if it was a general election, or by-election, I'm sure I would have found a way round it. But I feel so disengaged from this this - we've had no information or communication from candidates, and when I did log onto the website to look at who to vote for, over half of the candidates hadn't even bothered to give particularly useful information about themselves, so I wouldn't even have been making a very informed decision. If even they can't be arsed, it's just a sham.

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 22:55:57

coppertop, I think that's the shocking bit. The idea may be OK but the campaign has been awful and unfair.

Inertia Thu 15-Nov-12 22:57:38

I always use my vote, but couldn't this time because we moved house before the election but our polling cards were issued to our home address . I would have voted if I could.

WineGless Thu 15-Nov-12 22:57:39

I didn't say that I agreed with the previous system, however the amount that has been spent on this non election would have funded 3,500 police officers

mamababa Thu 15-Nov-12 22:57:54

Grovel a group of different people that make up the PA has got to be better than one person who has the power to hire and fire a chief constable? How can that be a good thing. Ultimately of course the police is run by politicians anyway ie the Home Office but I would hope that a Chief constable who knows a thing or two about policing is better equipped than having to keep one politician happy

grovel Thu 15-Nov-12 22:59:23

kdiddy, don't feel bad.
Actually they can be arsed but don't have the means to canvass.

OscarPistoriusBitontheside Thu 15-Nov-12 23:01:04

I spoilt my ballot paper. If those standing want me to be engaged with the idea they should come to me and not me chasing them up.

When DH went to vote, 9pm ish, the staff said turnout was 7.5%.

amothersplaceisinthewrong Thu 15-Nov-12 23:02:52

Looked all our lot up on line - they all looked like your typical overfed councillors with personal axes to grind except one "independent" who seemed very namby pamby and had a very waffly statement. So I sent in a spoilt postal vote, as I always feel compelled to use my vote. But I have the distinct feeling that these commissionners don't really understand policing (bit like Cameron wanting a load of volunteers to run libraries, only more scary!)

Snazzyfeelingfestive Thu 15-Nov-12 23:04:48

I always vote, so I did this time, but it was a very uninspiring experience. I had been undecided as to whether to spoil my ballot paper or vote for the independent and in the end did the latter. Empty when DH and I went, though that was 9.15pm so late on. It has been a real shame that it was felt to not be worth allocating funds to sending out some proper information.

I spoilt my ballot for the pcc. Can't bring myself to not bother to vote but know nothing about the candidates and in any case am uneasy about party politics and policing.

CaseyShraeger Thu 15-Nov-12 23:17:55

I'm in London, so no (except indirectly at the last Mayoral election).

kdiddy Thu 15-Nov-12 23:23:37

I wonder what the % of spoiled papers will be - that, combined with low turnout, will tell a really interesting story should the powers-that-be decide they want to look at it ...

ExitPursuedByABrrrrrrr Thu 15-Nov-12 23:26:48

I feel quite ashamed as I haven't voted. I am 53 and it is the first time since being eligible to vote that I have failed to do so.

I have always banged on about the Suffragettes and women dying so that we could have the right to vote, but somehow I really just couldn't be arsed for this one.

<apologies to the Pankhursts>

SwedishEdith Thu 15-Nov-12 23:34:39

Spoilt my paper as well. Phew,rock n roll!

FourTables Thu 15-Nov-12 23:37:12

I feel sorry for the ndependent candidates. They had no party backing, so had to fund any campaign literature etc themselves, personally, as well as find £5,000 just to stand, which they will lose if they don't get 5% of the vote. It is no wonder many people didn't get any campaign literature.

My cynical view is that the Tories didn't want to publicise it more, because they can always rely on their well-organised local parties to get people out to vote for their candidates, whereas other parties/independents don't have such resources and so are more disadvantaged when there is little information out there...

80sMum Thu 15-Nov-12 23:41:45

I voted - and there were tumbleweeds blowing around the polling station! I've never seen it so quiet. I reckon the turnout percentage will be the lowest ever!

sparkleyangel Fri 16-Nov-12 00:32:33

I had no idea who was standing until I got my voting card through. Turns out there was only two candidates conservatives or labour. I voted labour mainly as a protest vote to the tories who want to get rid of as many police officers as they can. As others have said I have no idea who either of them are and think its a complete waste of time and tax payers money. On the other hand I don't agree with people who didn't vote or spoiled their papers, they could have used their vote to protest against the government by NOT voting for any Tory/lib dem commissioners.

fortyplus Fri 16-Nov-12 00:35:18

I was the last person to vote at my polling station - they said the turnout was 8%. For a General Election where I live it's about 75%

ladymariner Fri 16-Nov-12 07:04:31

I voted, and one of my main reasons was to try and stop John bloody Prescott getting in, cannot abide that man.

EugenesAxe Fri 16-Nov-12 07:19:00

I did. The highlight was getting to see this woman, probably in her 40s or early 50s, get told very sternly: 'Then why didn't you amend it when the electoral register form came through?', when she mentioned they had her maiden name but that she'd been married for years.

I thought 'Wow! You've got balls love.' Fortunately she didn't take offence to being spoken to like a 9 year old and just said 'My husband usually fills it in'.

Molepomandmistletoe Fri 16-Nov-12 08:13:02

I'm annoyed when people say they don't have the means to canvass...you mean they cant be bothered to go out and knock on doors? Use a local hall church or whatever to stand there and shout about what they plan to do in the job? They can do that in the street FFS. Canvassing doesn't have to cost a lot.

If they wanted the job badly enough they should have made the effort, after all, the jobless are being told this all the time..knock on doors, get out there, make the effort and nine times out of ten they have a damn sight less money than this lot.

Butkin Fri 16-Nov-12 10:44:11

We voted. Don't particularly agree with the new role - none of them seemed particularly suited to the task. However given it is going to happen anyway we studied their information in the local papers and made our decision.

Butkin Fri 16-Nov-12 10:51:12

I also researched them online and was suprised that only one of the four candidates (the one we voted for anyway) had their own site and manifesto. surely this is a bare (and inexpensive) minimum these days and didn't put the others in a good light with me.

Snazzyfeelingfestive Fri 16-Nov-12 13:25:50

I'm quite surprised the results aren't ready yet - surely with the low turnout they could have counted them by now! smile The low turnout is being reported, at least.

Molepomandmistletoe Fri 16-Nov-12 13:28:13

Less than 15% where I am. For South Yorkshire that's very low.

Oh dear the Tory candidate got in here. So the Sussex MNetters posting here weren't representative then grin

BoakFace Fri 16-Nov-12 19:03:03

Tory got in here too. He was my 2nd choice.

jenduck Fri 16-Nov-12 19:24:38

I was a poll clerk for this yesterday. At our polling station, out of approximately 1800 people eligible to vote, a mere 108 actually turned up to vote. It made for a very long day!

GrendelsMum Fri 16-Nov-12 19:27:45

Pah, a Tory got in here, rather than the candidate with experience. Yet again. Which just shows that if you put a blue rosette on a horse, they'd vote for the horse.

jenduck Fri 16-Nov-12 19:27:56

We also noticed that of the 108 who actually turned up to vote, probably about 90 were pensioners. I don't really know the significance of this fact, but it is certainly interesting.

WineGoggles Fri 16-Nov-12 19:40:18

It was a toss up between not voting and spoiling my ballot paper and I chose the latter. I'm sure they knew what I was doing as I was doing a lot of writing blush.

piglettsmummy Fri 16-Nov-12 19:53:07

I went to the polling station and presented my card: got my paper etc. but didn't vote , instead I wrote on the paper that I wasn't voting due to receiving no information whatsoever on who we got to choose between! I then proudly folded it up and posted it. It is childish ano but I have a right to have my say that's what elections are for but my 'option' wasn't listed therefore I wrote my own! grin

bamboobutton Fri 16-Nov-12 20:04:32

phew! independent candidate won here. so glad the slimey looking ukip candidate didn't get it.

Dammit, if I'd gone and spoilt my vote, my local polling station might be in the news for 100% spoilt votes, rather than ahem, that other thing... wink

Snazzyfeelingfestive Fri 16-Nov-12 22:08:45

OK, if any of you wrote 'Do not politicise the police' on your ballot, that might have been it shown on BBC1 news just then! Wish I'd done that now. I voted for the independent who didn't win.

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