To ask drivers to please indicate BEFORE turning

(72 Posts)
LittleTurtle Thu 15-Nov-12 10:59:56

not AS they turn because they are about to knock you over as you are in the middle of crossing the road.

They know in advance they will turn left at the light, why leave it till the last minute. This morning driver almost knocked over this woman with her child on the school run and had the nerve to swear at them, when I clearly saw the mom look out for cars turning in and the driver did not indicate as he approached.

I see a lot of this in London. Some don't bother to indicate at all. I guess now I have kids I notice it even more.

Fakebook Thu 15-Nov-12 11:05:22

London has some horrible drivers, especially taxi drivers.

Yanbu.

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Thu 15-Nov-12 11:07:24

What are these indicators of which you speak? Never heard of them in my life!

Thistledew Thu 15-Nov-12 11:11:10

YANBU. checking your mirrors before you start the manoeuvre is advisable as well. It is MIRROR, SIGNAL, MANOEUVRE, people. Not rocket science.

Doing it in reverse order is not good enough. I will yell at you if you pull out into my path when I am on my bike.

Thistledew Thu 15-Nov-12 11:13:05

I am always tempted to draw up along side offenders at traffic lights and, ever so friendly, ever so helpfully point out to them that their indicators are not working- then feign astonishment if they confess to not using them.

I was a pedestrian for years and this happened to me many times,even with a baby in a pram. So dangerous. Now I am a driver I make sure I indicate in plenty of time and am gobsmacked at the number of pedestrians who just walk over side roads without even looking for indicating cars!

DawnOfTheDee Thu 15-Nov-12 11:14:53

YANBU. I HATE this. Especially when they turn them on when they're halfway round the corner and about to plow into me.

Fakebook Thu 15-Nov-12 11:15:43

You should also signal before putting your brakes on so the driver behind you knows why you're slowing down

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Fakebook Thu 15-Nov-12 11:16:41

Oops. Pasted that by accident.

Well said.

And drivers need to realize that if someone is already crossing a road they're turning into, the pedestrian has priority!

LessMissAbs Thu 15-Nov-12 11:22:08

...or if you're going to mount a pavement to park on it, at least have the decency to indicate first so I can flee out of your way, instead of pressing myself against the boundary wall!

hazleweatherfieldgirldetective Thu 15-Nov-12 11:28:12

Now I am a driver I make sure I indicate in plenty of time and am gobsmacked at the number of pedestrians who just walk over side roads without even looking for indicating cars!

If you're crossing a give way line to join the road that they are crossing then it is you that is in the wrong in this scenario. They are already using the carriageway and therefore have right of way. Your indicator does not override a give way line. It means exactly what it says on the tin; give way to those already using the road/lane you are about to join.

DozyDuck Thu 15-Nov-12 11:29:56

I always slow right down and stop if someone is walking up to a road. People rarely look and it's their right of way anyway

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 15-Nov-12 11:30:13

Nope YANBU. I'm sick of being nearly hit by cars driven by people who think indicators are optional.

Also sick of standing in the pouring rain with my small children waiting for cars to go through an intersection so we can cross over, only for said car to turn at the intersection. Oi dickhead. You clearly saw us waiting. Turn your indicator on so I know it's safe to cross and therefore get home out of the storm sooner.

Hazle I do know that! They should still bloody look!

FeijoaVodkaPlease Thu 15-Nov-12 11:34:50

Oh and I'm no where near London.

BallyGoBackwards Thu 15-Nov-12 11:35:10

When I moved to England it was one of the first things that I noticed. Alot of drivers dont indicate. Especially on roundabouts. It drives me to distraction.

Thumbwitch Thu 15-Nov-12 11:39:29

YANBU. I used to find it was drivers of more expensive vehicles that were the worst offenders <<gross generalisation>> which led me to wonder whether they had to pay extra for functional indicators and decided not to bother.

Peetle Thu 15-Nov-12 11:41:15

After several years of study I find the indicators must simply not work on BMWs. Their windows are largely opaque too.

Boomerwang Thu 15-Nov-12 11:42:29

Aren't pedestrians meant to use proper crossings? If they're crossing the road without using one, surely they are in the wrong?

Although 9 times out of 10 a driver would be to blame for any incident involving a pedestrian.

confused

Where on earth do you live, boomer?

In the UK you could never cope if you only used pedestrian crossings - where I grew up the nearest would have been in the next village, four miles away!

goldenlula Thu 15-Nov-12 11:51:25

Trying to work out a route to school where I only cross using a crossing. All I can do is walk round the block, infact that is literally all I can do if I only cros the road on a crossing. Even as a driver I wish people would use indicators better and more often (and I include my DH in this wish).

Spatsky Thu 15-Nov-12 11:51:40

Was thinking the same lord. Am imagining the routes I would have to ,walk by only crossing at pedestrian crossings!

Spatsky Thu 15-Nov-12 11:52:14

Er that was lrd, not suggesting you are the almighty!

grin I could get to enjoy this new form of address ...

sparkle12mar08 Thu 15-Nov-12 11:58:11

From her profile Boomerwang lives in Sweden - that probably explains the jaywalking issue!

Spatsky Thu 15-Nov-12 12:00:13

Actually yes to be fair when I lived in Seattle they had crossings every 10 paces and I nearly got a ticket for jaywalking but played the foreigner card and got off

Wallison Thu 15-Nov-12 12:02:29

I thought that's what LRD was short for!

And I agree about drivers not indicating - it drives me nuts, both as a pedestrian and cyclist, because it's so downright dangerous. Not only on roads but on roundabouts as well. Me and my son nearly got mown down by one recently. They all drive around the rabbit-warren of streets round us looking for spaces because they're too tight to pay for parking and so they never indicate because they literally don't know where the fuck they're going until they see if there's a space or not. Her window was partly down so I actually shouted "Indicate, you bastard" and to her credit she did look a bit guilty. Stupid cow.

Ahhh ... I see, Sweden!

Yeah, it'd be nice if we had more crossings here, I guess.

wallison - no (I feel unintentionally arrogant now). It's daft really - my original name on here was LittleRedDragon and then I wanted to put something in my name to remind me to speak up a bit more in RL about feminism, because I felt I was keeping quiet about it when I should have said something, so ended up with LRDtheFeministDragon.

Oh, and gotta say, I love 'indicate, you bastard'! grin

Wallison Thu 15-Nov-12 12:22:29

It was maybe a bit OTT but she nearly ran us over!

And I never thought of your name as being arrogant - I kind of heard it in my head as "Lord, the Feminist Dragon" to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon" so it always sounded friendly, iyswim.

BionicEmu Thu 15-Nov-12 12:39:30

Not just in London, I'm in the East Midlands and the lack of indicators is a big problem here too.

If I'm a pedestrian, I need to know you're about to speed into the road I'm about to walk across.

If I'm driving, it would be good to have some warning that the car I'm following is about to turn - usually the first I know is when they brake heavily all of a sudden before they turn. Not expected, as the road is clear! Also, if you're turning left at the roundabout, then sodding well indicate that you are, I'm fed up of sitting there waiting to pull out when it turns up nobody is coming round anyway.

And another thing - it may have gotten a little bit foggy, but I am crawling along in traffic right behind you. I know you are there, so you don't need to put your rear foglights on right in my face. Similarly, if it's not foggy then you don't need your front foglights on. Those day-time running LEDs on new cars are one thing, but you're not fooling anybody in your 12 year-old Corsa.

And on the subject of lights - if it's foggy, rainy, or dark that means visibility is impaired. Put some bloody lights on so I can see you! And no, front foglights are not a substitute for headlights.

Well, that was cathartic. Can you tell I've just had the journey from hell 30-odd miles into Nottingham, then 30-odd miles back home?

Aw, how nice, thanks wallison.

I'd have yelled something too, btw. What else can you do?!

bionic - oh god. I learned to drive in Nottingham. I know exactly what you mean.

It is not good.

Especially, why the heck do people who know the road in to town over Trent Bridge gets misty when it's dark and cold not realize that lights would be helpful, even if you think it's still 'daytime' (at 5pm in November). confused

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 15-Nov-12 12:52:08

I have the opposite problem. Where I live no one ever seems to stop at smaller junctions or crossings to check nothing is coming. It is always up to me as a driver to assume they won't stop to look. I there is anyone within 200 yards of a crossing I always stop as they seem to assume they have the right of way

Startail Thu 15-Nov-12 13:01:11

Indicators?
These aren't necessary in rural areas or leafy Midlands towns.
Central London, the other day was way better.

financialwizard Thu 15-Nov-12 13:59:32

This drives me nutty. I lived in Cyprus for a couple of years recently and they have no idea what an indicator is used for, or what round a bouts are for. angry

Pixieonthemoor Thu 15-Nov-12 14:04:25

YANBU. There is a special circle of hell reserved for people who don't indicate.

financialwizard Thu 15-Nov-12 14:05:10

Oh Bionic I went to Nottingham the other day (I also live in East Midlands) and it was hideous

Pootles2010 Thu 15-Nov-12 14:27:44

I think they do funnytail if they have already started to cross when you get there.

cumfy Thu 15-Nov-12 14:46:24

Pet.Peeve.

Like Peasant says "What indicators ?".

YANBU

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 15-Nov-12 14:49:42

was that for me Pootles? I quite like the name funnytail! Of course if they have started to cross they have priority, but lots of people seem to see a crossing as just an extension of the pavement with no need to stop and see if any car approaching are actually going to stop. They just keep on walking. It makes me jumpy. Oh and I always indicate. It pisses me off no end when folk don't esp at roundabouts

NothingIsAsBadAsItSeems Thu 15-Nov-12 14:53:39

I'm always a bit hmm when some pedestrians can't be bothered to walk an extra 50-100 yards to the zebra crossing yet still think that you should stop for them as 'they are near enough to it' confused Ermm no mate, when you are actually about to step onto the zebra I'll stop for you.

Pootles2010 Thu 15-Nov-12 15:16:37

Of course most sane people check, but they have the right to do it.

Sorry could have sworn you were funnytail! Think i confused you and Startail... oh dear...

Itsaboatjack Thu 15-Nov-12 15:33:50

I fucking hate people who don't indicate. How lazy are you that you can't reach with one finger and flick a little lever!!

I also hate drivers who speed up when they see you approaching a zebra crossing.

fluffygal Thu 15-Nov-12 15:51:43

Oh I never knew walkers had right of way, I wonder why on some roads where there is a line there are crossings if itd their right of way anyway? All I can think is town traffic would be even more of a nightmare with pedestrians having right of way!

I always indicate well in advance, not that the majority of pedestrians look anyway.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 15-Nov-12 16:06:50

I don't think they have the 'right' to cross, I just think they have priority meaning that they still have to have regard to whether there is a car coming or not. Just like when driving on a roundabout. No one has the right to go first, just priority

Pootles2010 Thu 15-Nov-12 16:20:36

We're talking zebra crossings right? If so, see here which is quite good article, particularly para 4 - they do have the right of way!

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 15-Nov-12 16:36:59

but that says if a pedestrian has started to cross they have the right of way which is right. I'm talking about situations where I will be driving right up to the crossing making it dangerous to brake suddenly and someone sets off across it. In that circumstance I as the driver have the right of way

Pootles2010 Thu 15-Nov-12 16:40:59

Oh i see what you mean - like you're almost upon it? Difficult - I guess technically they do because they set foot on it before you 'set wheel' hmm on it, but its obviously easier for them to stop. To be honestly though if they're that close to the crossing shouldn't you be ready to stop anyway?

NothingIsAsBadAsItSeems Thu 15-Nov-12 16:51:59

There is a zebra crossing near me that is smack bang in front of a shop door so you very rarely get chance to see the person for more than a second before they step out into traffic. This, I feel is very dangerous since you get a lot of commuters passing through who are unaware that you have to slow to a crawl at that particular zebra crossing. It often results in emergency stops and glares from the pedestrians - regardless of the fact that they didn't give the driver enough time to A) See them B) Register that they are planning to cross the road and C) react to it hmm

One of the most stupid places to put a zebra crossing. Less than 100 yards after roundabout exits is another...

WMittens Thu 15-Nov-12 16:56:05

Agree. And while we're at it, indicate when you change bloody lanes, or when you're entering a roundabout (when not going straight ahead) and when you exit a roundabout.

Pootles2010 Thu 15-Nov-12 16:56:12

That is a stupid place to put a crossing, but the pedestrian doesn't have to give the driver enough time! The driver has to see a crossing, look to see if anyone's there, if they can't tell, slow and be ready to stop.

Wallison Thu 15-Nov-12 16:57:17

But then if you have people trying to cross the road near roundabouts (it happens a lot in those pissing awful out-of-town shopping places that aren't built with pedestrians in mind at all) they would have no way of getting from one section of path to another without a zebra.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Thu 15-Nov-12 17:03:02

I did some minibus training for school a few years ago and part of the training involved doing a supervised drive with an instructor, he told me (and some of the other drivers) off for indicating when there were no other vehicles on the road.

NothingIsAsBadAsItSeems Thu 15-Nov-12 17:03:14

But having zebras right next to roundabout exits causes massive ques and near misses. Such as when cars pulling onto the roundabout fail to look to the left since the right is clear and almost take your rear bumper off since you have to wait for the pedestrian to cross before clearing the roundabout

Wallison Thu 15-Nov-12 17:05:47

People have to cross the road somehow though. The world does not belong to car drivers.

Pootles2010 Thu 15-Nov-12 17:06:00

So what do you propose we do about pedestrians wanting to cross Nothing? Should they all jsut feck off and stop holding you up? hmm

If people going onto roundabouts fail to look left, that is them being a crap driver.

Sparklingbrook Thu 15-Nov-12 17:06:18

That has come up a few times on here hell. No indicating necessary if there's nobody around. confused

WMittens Thu 15-Nov-12 17:31:18

This, I feel is very dangerous since you get a lot of commuters passing through who are unaware that you have to slow to a crawl at that particular zebra crossing.

Drivers should slow at any zebra crossing, not just that particular one, check the sides of the road (if this is obscured, slow down further to give themselves time to stop), they should be prepared for the car in front to stop (something I've failed to do in the past - learn from mistakes and all that). If they're not checking for pedestrians it's because they're bad/lazy drivers.

Drivers should be travelling at a speed at which they can stop within the distance they can see - where e.g. parked cars are causing obstructions, that is a reduction in the distance they can see, so speeds should be lower.

Pedestrians also have a duty of care and should be checking that it is safe to cross. If they don't, they're bad/lazy/suicidal pedestrians.

Startail Thu 15-Nov-12 17:40:59

Pelican crossings just before or just after junctions with traffic lights.

If you want a new crossing modify the junction signals to allow for pedestrians.

There are now so many lights and road markings no one knows what the fuck is going on.

Boomerwang Thu 15-Nov-12 19:38:59

Yes I'm in Sweden now but I used to live in Birmingham and I was thinking of crossings there. There are loads. I'm not saying I only used crossings because it was inconvenient to me, but if the traffic was really bad there was always a crossing nearby, wherever I was.

What I want to know is why on earth there are dropped kerbs and stubbled paving for blind people all the way around roundabouts, yet no crossing control? That seems really crazy to me.

I agree that there are some badly designed road and pavement layouts which just add to the confusion.

MulledWineOnTheBusLady Thu 15-Nov-12 19:48:13

This really winds me up. And then there are people who do indicate but so fast that it only winks on and off once! WTF is the point of that?

I did narrowly miss being run over once having stopped at the kerb and looked carefully back at the traffic before crossing. No-one was indicating. By the time I was in the middle of the road someone had swept round the corner and screeched to a halt in front of me. He must have put his indicator on several seconds after he started turning the steering wheel.

gobbledegook1 Thu 15-Nov-12 20:16:15

You are definitely not being unreasonable, nothing worse than driving behind these pillocks either who generally start slowing down then indicating as their starting to turn then checking there mirrors after you've beeped at them for nearly hitting them coz you don't know what the hell their doing - its MIRROR, SIGNAL, MANOEUVRE NOT MANOEUVRE, SIGNAL, MIRROR!!

bumperella Thu 15-Nov-12 20:18:13

... and indicate properly at roundabouts!!! E.G if you're using the next exit then indicate left, not keep your right indicator on!!!!! GAHH

gobbledegook1 Thu 15-Nov-12 20:19:41

Agree with WMittens with regards roundabouts too, its a real bug bear of mine when you realise you could have got out 3 times over if people had just indicated sooner or in the case of some if they actually indicated full stop! Its no wonder traffic congestion is often as bad as it is.

DawnOfTheDee Thu 15-Nov-12 20:20:34

In Birmingham, a fair few of the 'crossings' are horrid underground subway type things that stink of piss, are covered in graffiti and have muggers lurking in them (I speak from experience!).

WrathdePan Thu 15-Nov-12 20:28:30

Whilst we are advising drivers, can I point out that the green box in front of traffice lights, painted on the road with a bike outline in white is a space for..um....bikes! thank you.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 15-Nov-12 22:15:32

all this just means that pedestrians have to be considerate road users just like motorists. Don't just step off the pavement and hope someone will notice you are there, equally be very aware of people who might be wanting to cross the road. We all have to be considerate towards each other

Thumbwitch Thu 15-Nov-12 22:39:28

Ahhhh roundabouts. Now there's an Issue I have now. Being in Australia, they only indicate when they go onto the roundabout (at least partly useful) but are not taught to indicate for the exit. Apparently it was "too confusing/difficult" or somesuch bollocks - so I'm often sitting waiting for someone who looks like they're going all the way around the roundabout, for them to turn off the exit before me with their R indicator still flashing. But this is ALLOWED here. So imagine all those Aussies going over to the UK....

Of course I know it's not just the Aussies who are bastard indicators/non-indicators on roundabouts but just highlighting the cultural differences despite driving on the same side of the road. If anything, in every other way, they tend to over indicate: if you're in a R-turn only filter lane, you really don't need to put your R indicator on, surely? But they all do. Mind you, if they don't indicate 20m prior to turning and a cop sees them then they can be fined for it, I believe.

AudrinaAdare Thu 15-Nov-12 22:56:05

There are lots of side roads where I live. I'm a new driver and know about the pedestrian right of way if they are in the road but fat lot of good it's going to do me if, as a pedestrian, I don't even look for the cars about to belt round the corner or even bother to listen because I am plugged in to an iPod, or texting...

Coming into my estate at secondary chucking out time is terrifying. I want a sign for my car which says, "You are young. You are NOT IMMORTAL!"

bumperella Sat 17-Nov-12 22:46:45

I don't get why you'd worry about indicating on a deserted road. it just becomes second nature, surely?
And I hate Australian roundabouts too now, even though ahve nevefr been there. That would drive me MENTAL, thumbwitch!

inabeautifulplace Sun 18-Nov-12 00:59:48

Seems pretty simple to me.

Approach junction, indicate, wait if any pedestrians are in the road or look likely to cross.

A stunning number of people seem to simply hope that no pedestrians will be in the way. Often they are wrong sad

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