To feel less than thrilled about pink mega bloks

(141 Posts)
TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 21:34:43

that MIL has bought for DD 1st birthday?

I love my MIL. She is a star.
I also realise that many girls love pink.

I had just hoped to avoid the pinkification of my baby for a bit longer.

Surely normal mega bloks are gender less?

Momsnatter Wed 14-Nov-12 21:39:11

What do you think will happen if she plays with them - fail all her GCSEs? Seriously, it's just a colour. If you had a boy would you take out all the blue mega blocks?

valiumredhead Wed 14-Nov-12 21:39:53

Oh please! hmm

Seriously, good luck with avoiding pink.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Wed 14-Nov-12 21:40:20

We have pink megabloks.

There are a few blue and white ones mixed in, if that helps.

Dd2 would turn her nose up if it wasn't pink. I don't know where this obsession with pink comes from. One year old is probably a bit early. They like any old bright colour at that age.

Sirzy Wed 14-Nov-12 21:41:06

I have never understood why boxes of pink and 'girly' coloured mega blocks/lego etc need to be made other than as a marketing ploy.

YANBU to be less than thrilled. Nothing wrong with the normal ones! Can you get some normal ones and mix them together

ladygoldenlion Wed 14-Nov-12 21:41:58

Well I had two sons then a daughter so I love the pink stuff!! She plays with it all (their lego and hers) so I wouldn't worry and your MIL will get a lot of pleasure from the giving.

YANBU to be less than thrilled but I bet your DD will love it!

mrskeithrichards Wed 14-Nov-12 21:42:43

They are pointless and I do despair at the pink version of everything that seems to be appearing.

Yanbu because you are only less than thrilled and not hopping mad, seething or feeling stabby or any other number of ridiculous and over the top expressions of displeasure you see on here!

HoolioHallio Wed 14-Nov-12 21:43:33

You need to make sure that if you have a boy, he doesn't play with the pink. In case it turns him gay. At least with a girl the pink will only turn her into a simpering barbie princess unable to think for herself and spending her life waiting for Prince Charming.

TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 21:44:39

I don't want to avoid pink!

I am fully aware that DD may grow to love all things pink but right now she is a teeny tiny baby that loves all sorts of colours.

Just thought it was a bit early to go down that route.

They come with a princess and a unicorn too!

If I had a boy I would buy him the normal multiple coloured set not just blue ones.

valiumredhead Wed 14-Nov-12 21:45:46

But if you had a boy would you buy him pink blocks?

Momsnatter Wed 14-Nov-12 21:46:13

Sorry. They're ALL pink? In that case YANBU. Where the fun in playing with one colour?

TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 21:47:08

If he wanted them yes. But for a baby without a preference I would buy the normal set.

LadyKinbote Wed 14-Nov-12 21:47:14

YANBU. We got a box of pink magnetic letters once which made me want to hurt someone. But if it's the only needlessly pink thing in the house you're probably okay!

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 21:49:28

I have three boys and we have many pink things in this house.
My youngest DS (not quite 3) is rather taken with a set of pink pearls he likes to wear out and about on occasion.

It is just a colour.

There are so many other ways to influence their lives without worrying about the colour of some plastic blocks

mrskeithrichards Wed 14-Nov-12 21:50:03

But that's the thing, making pink versions turns the normal ones into 'boy' ones.

This wasn't even so bad 7 years ago when my youngest was a baby. Now I'm looking at the same toys for ds2 (think v tech walkers, toy phones etc) and there's pink versions of everything!

valiumredhead Wed 14-Nov-12 21:50:28

Well you buy the normal ones and let her enjoy the pink ones from her granny!

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 21:51:29

I agree with valium.

How do you feel about boys playing with predominantly blue things?

TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 21:51:34

I know it no big deal in the grand scheme.

jaggythistle Wed 14-Nov-12 21:52:32

YANBU to be mildly miffed.

i also don't understand who had the bright idea to make toys in either pink or blue/primary colours. i guess it's to try and make people buy more than one of things.

if either of my DSs had been a DD I'd definitely not have opted for pink versions of whatever noisy VTech/fisher price gubbins they got, unless they were older and chose it i suppose.

it's not about avoiding all pink, just unnecessary pink. it's just weird to automatically start buying baby girls pink everything imo.

mrskeithrichards Wed 14-Nov-12 21:52:53

Where did the op say she was worried about the impact on her dd? It's just not needed!!

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 21:54:22

MrsRK - I guess they just respond to what people want. Little girls (IME) love pink when they're very little. Not all of them, but many do.

My DS2 had a party the other day and as party bag gifts we gave each child a Happy Family Book to take home.

They all come in different colour and it's rather misleading because the pink/red ones aren't necessarily the 'girly ones' (i.e. one of the pink books was about a crook).

I tried to randomnly hand them out but many little girls (aged 4) actively sought out the pink/purply ones and these are not children of parents who 'pinkified' their girls.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 21:55:07

What's not needed? It's just a colour... Some people like pink.

Why should there be no pink?

Viviennemary Wed 14-Nov-12 21:55:54

My Mum totally hated pink and I didn't have anything pink. Or if I was given something pink she rolled her eyes. Now I really like the colour.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 21:56:45
Sirzy Wed 14-Nov-12 21:57:44

Its not that their should be no pink, but to make a second version of a perfectly good bright toy just so it can be pink seems odd to me!

TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 21:57:53

It's not about wanting no pink at all.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 21:59:27

See, I am probably being really thick here... but I don't get why it's a second version.

It's just a different colour, maybe some people want a different colour.

If people didn't want/like it, it wouldn't sell.

I have three boys and we have pink toys here.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 21:59:58

Look YANBU. It's a shitting nuisance having to deal with MASS pink sections for girls and BLUE for boys.

It's a stealthy way of separating the sexes into neat boxes....here is the pink aisle with dolls, pushchairs, kitchens, brooms and...oh ok...PINK building blocks just incase anyone complains there are no construction toys for girls....and here is the BLUE section for BOYS! Here we have action toys, toys for building, science and discovery...no fucking prams or babies though and no brooms you fools!

YANBU YANBU YANBU

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:01:07

Damn Its because "girls are too precious and sparkly to fancy a brick or a microscope unless it's PURTY!"

Didn't you know?

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:01:48

So what it is about then?

My DSD when she was tiny loved pink. We didn't encourage it, we bought her scaletrix, train sets, remote control cars, many wooden toys of plain colours - but when she got to choose, she always chose pink.

Maybe I'm less exposed not having girls...

noblegiraffe Wed 14-Nov-12 22:01:58

Parents don't need to pinkify their girls, society will do that for them. My 3 year old who has never been told by his parents that things are for boys or for girls has started labelling things as 'for girls' or 'for boys' depending on colour. He refused to go in a pink playhouse. He goes to pre-school and a childminder and must have picked it up there.

Portofino Wed 14-Nov-12 22:04:03

Ha! I am 44. This morning my Belgian boss asked me to critique an online form that had been designed. There were boxes that were all in one colour to designate what our team needed to fill in. The boxes were pink. He made a right joke of asking me, vs a male colleague what we thought. I said the form looked fine. My colleague said it might look a bit bright and maybe a paler shade (of pink) would be easier on the eye. My boss was hmm

There was nowt wrong with the form, but surely I should not have to be asked about pinkification aged 44 and in a management role? Who the feck cares what colour it is.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:04:54

Mrs all I can say is that it's not my experience with my DSD who I've known since she was 3 and who insisted on pink for everything (vile, bright awful sickly pink) but is now heading off to Cambridge to do Maths.

I honestly just figured it was a colour and if there is a good balance (which is down to the parent) the odd shitty, gender stereotype toy wouldn't matter.

Out of curiousity, are there no pink workbenches, or blue hoovers?

TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 22:06:32

She's not yet one so definitely does not have a pink preference (as yet)!

If she grows up to have a pink preference so be it but I don't need to drown her in it at home. (well aware a few bricks isn't surrounding her in it but it is a start...)

TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 22:08:33

And it not really about the colour is it. It's the connotations that come with it.

DeathMetalMum Wed 14-Nov-12 22:09:26

The pink mega blocks that dd was bought for her birthday had blue and green in too. They still build great castles. Though not quite as well as duplo.

We were asked a preference by whoever bought them out of two and went for the pink as there was a person and a horse with the set rather than blocks with funny faces printed on the side. Maybe mil prefered the special pieces in the pink bag.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:09:41

Then you need to make your wishes clear and simply say no more pink toys.

Job done.

Marzipanface Wed 14-Nov-12 22:10:50

YANBU. All one colour is shit.

One of the fun things about megabloks is building different colour towers.

My daughter learnt her colours from her blocks and loved separating them into different colours.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:10:51

Bamboo I just googled "Pink toy workbench" an And got this

Portofino Wed 14-Nov-12 22:11:00

noble, you are right - and it is insidious, and us as parents also grew up under these "rules". Dd was in Next once and spotted an Angry Birls t-shirt, bright orange and in the "boys" bit. I started to speak - no, dd - then checked myself and bought it. She loves it. i don't. I can't even explain why I don't adequately. It is to do with my socialisation though.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:11:24

What connotations? It's a block. It is a differerent coloured block.

It's not as if you have megablocks for boys and then megaplates for girls (so they can learn how to stack pink plates nicely as opposed to building a wall).

You are overeacting

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:12:09

Googled Blue Toy Hoover and got This

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:13:06

damn Nope. If it is "just a different coloured block" Then WHY are the PINK SETS not in the "BOYS AISLE" in the shops????

mrskeithrichards Wed 14-Nov-12 22:13:48

But I'm talking about perfectly good gender neutral toys that were on sale 7 years ago and still are now but there's a pink version. Toys that were red, yellow etc are now still red and yellow. There's just a bubble gum pink version. Why?

What came first? A pink version of everything, making one for boys and one for girls, or girls loving pink everything?

Kethryveris Wed 14-Nov-12 22:13:48

we have both, the pink ones are here, the other ones are at nannys. dd prefers the pink ones!

TeacupTempest Wed 14-Nov-12 22:14:34

I am not overreacting as you will see from the title I am merely " less than thrilled."

Peanutbutterfingers Wed 14-Nov-12 22:14:44

Damn bamboo - if it's just to do with having a different colour they could sell a green set. Or yellow set. Or blue set. They don't. They do a 'special' pink set. For girls.

It matters. It's another thread in the binding of young girls, telling them the way they are expected to be.

It's cynical, damaging marketing.

PINK STINKS.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:14:46

Yes mrs no pinkworkbenches I see. A few gender neutral ones but not many.

But would a pink workbench be ok, being pink and all that?

Still, at least I know there are gender neutral household stuff - I have just bought my son a hotpoint cooker and washing maching and they were not pink.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:15:46

Girls toy aisle

Boys toy aisle

Why have SEPARATE AISLES??? Why not have "toy aisle"

I'll tell you....it's partly so that we have to buy two of everything if there are more than one sex in a family and partly so that the genders don''t get above or below themselves....let the kids know early on where there place in the world is.

If you're a girl it's with hoovers and fluffy telephones...a boy....well the world is your oyster. You can have it all.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:16:31

peanut I didn't know that they didn't.

I'm fairly sure they have blue megablocks.

As I said, I clearly am not exposed enough to this...

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:16:49

NO a pink workbench would not be ok. What would be ok would be a mix of all colours and genderless toy aisle where kids could roam freely and choose what they liked....without fear of choosing the "wrong" toy.

BastardSpiders Wed 14-Nov-12 22:17:31

YANBU.

The colour pink is the root of all evil. I would hide those pink megablocks immediately, otherwise she will turn into a brainless bimbo and there will be no way back.

mrskeithrichards Wed 14-Nov-12 22:19:16

I almost wept the day I had to go to the girls aisle to get my ds the sweeping brush he'd asked for to be confronted with numerous pink ones and even a fetching Disney princess dustran set.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:19:19

But if a little girl wants a pink workbench (and wants to hammer in pink nails and use a pink drill) why does the colour matter more than the activity?

anothercuppaplease Wed 14-Nov-12 22:20:21

I have been thinking about this - i have two boys who LOVE their lego, and I am really surprised that many of my friends with little girls tell me that their girls never play with lego. I think they are great, for fine motor skills, creativity, imaginative play but do they really have to be pink and pastel colours for girls to play with them? Really?

I think it does matter that it's pink. I think it shouldn't have to be. I think their marketing is lousy, lazy, boring if they think that the only way to reach girls is to have pink lego.

I try to encourage my boys to play with all sorts of toys and you would not believe how much searching I had to do to find a toy kitchen and tea set that were not bright pink...

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:20:25

Mrs you see, that I would have a problem with. The type of toy that comes in certain colours - rather than the colour per se.

Peanutbutterfingers Wed 14-Nov-12 22:20:54

Damn bamboo, take a look at the pink stinks campaign. If you're on twitter look at #everydaysexism and #nomorepage3

Too many people write this stuff off as harmless. It isn't.

exoticfruits Wed 14-Nov-12 22:21:45

I was 'less than thrilled' with quite a lot of toys. It is what the DC thinks that matters- I doubt whether it will start her on an all pink existence.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:22:21

It only matters Bamboo if it is stuck in the girls aisle with the girls toys....in all honesty, if there was one aisle for toys, I would not give a bugger what colour ANY of it was.

exoticfruits Wed 14-Nov-12 22:22:43

Making a huge issue of 'pink stinks' is far more likely to turn them to pink!

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:23:07

I linked to the pinkstinks campaign peanut earlier in the thread.

I haven't looked at it for a while admittedly, but some years back when I did, I was under the impression that it was the gender stereotyping based on colours that were the problem (i.e. only pink kitchens and hoovers).

I will take another look

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:23:26

One Aisle for all.

Peanutbutterfingers Wed 14-Nov-12 22:24:33

Sorry, didn't realise it was your link! I find it hard to articulate a lot of this stuff, luckily there are people who do it better.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:25:14

I see what you're saying Mrs but as an earlier poster did, I would simply buy what my child wanted, irrespective of section or aisle.

I would have thought that most parents would do that. My son requested a pink trolley for his birthday so I bought it. Maybe it was in the girls aisle ( I only ever shop online and have done so for years) but it didn't matter.

noblegiraffe Wed 14-Nov-12 22:25:41

I was looking at craft sets in Sainsbury's the other day. There was a wide choice of pink ones. Make a friendship bracelet, a fairy wand, a princess crown and so on. There was one that wasn't pink - make a pirate hat.
Apparently boys aren't really supposed to do crafts, is the message there.

And look at their selection of pretend play toys 'for girls' www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/toys_and_nursery/girls/pretendplay/list.html?hnav=4294902251&sort=default

Compared to their pretend play toys 'for boys' www.sainsburys.co.uk/sol/shop/toys_and_nursery/boys/pretendplay/list.html?hnav=4294899352&sort=default
Scratch the s, they only have one, a doctors set.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:26:15

Peanut that's ok. I linked it but like I said, haven't read it for a while. Will go back and see how things have moved on.

Iceaddict Wed 14-Nov-12 22:26:19

Buy a bag of primary coloured blocks and mix them up if you're bothered by the pinkness

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:27:18

Bamboo can you not see that at 4 they like what they're told to like? By their friends, by TV, by television shows, by posters, advertising and society in general.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:27:58

Giraffe Sainsbury's are one of the worst offenders.

exoticfruits Wed 14-Nov-12 22:28:10

Problem solved by Iceaddict.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:28:51

That doesn't look good noble.

If this is such a problem, then there needs to be more of an issue, because ultimately, retailers sell what people want. If people didn't want it, they would bin in and produce something that they did want.

But i think this is a little different to pink megablocks.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:29:50

Yes, advertising works of course it does.

I can see that this is a problem, but it runs a bit deeper than colour I think.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:29:54

If you took a bunch of average 4 or 5 year old chilren and showed them two identically stocked toy aisles....one predominately pink an the other blue...same toys on both....the girls would head for the pink and the boys the blue.

BUT if you take a bunch of kids aged 1, 2 or maybe 3 they would not. They would go for whichever they fancied most and the sexes would be mixed in each aisle.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:30:27

Bamboo what are you saying...."it runs a bit deeper" is a bit vague.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:31:08

Mrs I can only give an example of the little girls I know, who weren't really encouraged to like pink, but wanted it anyway.

They all grew out of it.

I just can't get too worked up over it.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:32:42

No, it's not meant to be vague.

A colour is superficial (quite literally) but the activity that the toy encourages is not.

So in my view, the colour is neither here nor there, as long as the toys aren't sexist based on the role-play they do or don't encourage.

Clearly, this latter point is still an issue.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:32:49

Well that's up to you Bamboo....but it is an insidious trend that's only been around since the 80s. Before that, toys were primary colours in the main. Why? I wonder what happened to society that changed things? ANyone know?

TheCraicDealer Wed 14-Nov-12 22:32:52

Personally I think it's a pretty clever marketing ploy by Megablocks manufacturers. How many people (especially of OP's MIL's generation) would see the primary colours set and think "No, that's a wee boy's toy"? Suddenly, when it's pink it's an "acceptable" gift for a girl.

The best thing would be the pink bricks being mixed in with the primary colours. But then how many picky boys would go "no, that's got pink in it! Yuck!"? As Madonna said, "to be a girl is degrading", which is what this pink backlash seems like sometimes. Personally I don't think pink or Disney or anything else is going to have a massive impact on kids' views on their role in society- it's how it's reinforced at home that matters more. I bet our grandmothers didn't have pink plastic shite coming out of their ears at six years old, and most of them would have felt very strongly that their place was as a mother and homemaker. Pink toys aren't going to somehow going to set back women's lib 70 years.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 22:34:57

This is the same MegaBlocks whose advert announces "And now for girls..." before showing the pink bricks.

Imagine if an advert said "And now for Women..."

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:37:01

They have adverts all the time though that perpetuate the myth that boys/men are crap at housework/aren't involved etc. This too is also shit.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:37:05
tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 22:37:46

""to be a girl is degrading", which is what this pink backlash seems like sometimes."

Absolutely.

We are in danger of giving girls the message that pink = girly and girly = weak.

Why are toys/pastimes traditionally associated with boys seen as more worthy or interesting that those traditionally associated with girls? Because boys did them, plain and simple. It's not about encouraging girls to climb trees, it's about encouraging boys to make daisy chains.

anothercuppaplease Wed 14-Nov-12 22:39:17

Thanks for that link. It is brilliant. I have that set of spirograph (I still have it, full, with all the bits).

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:40:22

I'm off to read. I am clearly being too literal about this. I have never considered any of this in this context before...

thebody Wed 14-Nov-12 22:40:38

I love pink! Sorry but I do.. My dds though have always hated it.

Mega blocks are a fantastic toy, my 4 played with them for years, literally, just buy some primary colours and mix up so you have lots of interesting colours.

Your mil sounds lovely.

Btw good luck on telling your dd what to wear. Mine were interested in clothes from age 2 and had definite views, no pink, no frills and no 'fat' dresses( swingy)..

Now my boys,,, easy as!!

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 22:40:53

Sorry, went off on a ranty tangent- this is why I find PinkStink's title very unhelpful. We should be encouraging boys to play with pink things, not encouraging girls to reject them.

Pink is seen as inferior because it's associated with girls. I don't think we change this by rejecting the colour.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:43:04

I agree with you tether.

Personally, I don't consider pink inferior and I am puzzled that many do.

I have a range of different types and colours of toys in my house colour has never been a consideration when choosing them.

Perhaps it's time for powerful women to reclaim pink in some way and reinvent it

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:48:34

It's fine to like pink! I like pink! But Tethers girls don't just want to make daisy chains and they need to know that it is ok not to want to pretend to iron either....but they can also play with aeroplanes and doctors sets....and boys who want a pram should be able to have one!

Pink is NOT inferior but it has been pushed out of context.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:49:31

No Tethers we don't need to encourage ANYONE to play with pink. We need to give children a balanced choice of colours for their toys. So they can choose which they want and have that...

thebody Wed 14-Nov-12 22:49:47

Pink is powerful, think of fighting breast cancer.

All colours are beautiful and none should belong to either sex.

aufaniae Wed 14-Nov-12 22:51:29

YANBU, pink megablocks would really annoy me. They would be a constant bugbear in my house, I'd hate them!

thebody Wed 14-Nov-12 22:52:35

Can I add I actually don't know any girl who doesn't pretend iron, play kitchens, build Lego, ride bikes or super hero play.

I don't know any boys who also don't do all of these things.

I work as a RA in reception class and all the kids play with everything.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:53:22

Yes....so why are there no irons in the boys sections then thebody?? And why no prams? And why no superhero costumes in the "girls section"

And why HAVE sections??

Ds has them grin

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 22:54:22

I ummed and ahhed about saying 'allow' rather than 'encourage' boys to play with pink things, MrsCant- but the way things have become so genderised (is that a word?), I do think we should encourage boys to play with pink, as I think that is how the colour will be reclaimed. But perhaps I should have said 'allow'.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:54:31

Has what? Irons? Did they come from the girls section?

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:56:01

I think tethers there should simply be a re-think of how stores market. They don't need to dump pink...or blue....but just to stop sectioning the genders into different aisles.

They need a mix of colours and to allow the kids the freedom to choose a toy without fear of getting the wrong one. It would take years but eventually, there would be less gender bias.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 22:57:37

Mrs most shops have sections for many different things, this is not peculiar to toy shops It is easier for the consumer to find what they want. So you will have a weapons/battle section, hairdressing section etc...

This is not odd.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 22:59:38

Yes Bamboo of course but vegetables are vegetables and go in one section...kitchenware in another...toys in another...except they DON'T...toys go in TWO sections.

We don't have "Men's Kitchen aids" or "Women's meat" do we ffs?

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:00:00

On a pragmatic level, yes MrsCant- but on another level, we need to examine campaigns like PinkStinks and how they may inadvertently reinforce the gender divide.

I agree that any change will take at least a generation to embed.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 23:00:00

Who cares what part of the shop it came from?. As long as he's not discouraged from owning one, which clearly he wasn't.

The biggest problem would be if mum or dad said you can't have pink, you're a boy, or you can't have a workbench you're a girl.

This is the biggest influence.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:00:52

I have never even looked at PinkStinks as the title always annoyed me. It's too negative.

I have formed my own opinions.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:01:11

That was to your previous post- I agree that it is absurd to have boys'/girls' sections.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:01:29

Damn it is a big influence but it is not the biggest. Not by a long shot.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 23:04:09

I can't even begin to imagine making as much of a fuss of this as you are.

Just buy a range of toys, from all different types of role play and colours.

Lobby the retailers if you have such a problem with it, but it can only become a problem if the parent lets it.

You want a pink hoover? Sure, why not. Would you also like a bug hunting kit or a dinosaur excavation kit too?

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:05:05

Oh Bamboo you're being too limp about it. But whatever floats your pink boat. grin

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 23:05:15

I think parents can be a big influence, but it runs deeper than just the colour and type of toy.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:05:48

The zeitgeist seems to be to encourage girls to be 'tomboys' in order to prove that they are somehow more worthy than a girl who enjoys pink sparkles and plaiting hair.

My point is that many activities -and colours- have low status because they have been associated with girls. Eschewing them all over again in favour of activities which which have been associated with boys reinforces the divide and compounds the problem.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:06:00

What do you mean "runs deeper"??? THAT'S too vague again! Deeper than what???

TheCraicDealer Wed 14-Nov-12 23:06:22

And let's not forget that the "consumer" in this case is not the child, but the parent or another adult. If you're shopping for a gift, you may find yourself gravitating towards the beacon of pink or camo-green/blue/silver in order to get some ideas. This goes way beyond how a toyshop is laid out, it's how most of us have been socialised.

If a girl wants to play exclusively with pink kitchen sets and dolls, let her crack on. So long as she's told that when she's a big girl she can do whatever-the-fuck she wants.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 23:06:36

Mrs smile

I can only comment based on my experiences, my sons (thus far, crosses fingers) are well grounded who make no real gender discrimination based on colour or activity, or otherwise.

I work hard at this.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:06:56

No Tethers...no. Having a range of toys with no special colour is not going to cast negative aspersions on women.

Superene Wed 14-Nov-12 23:08:28

Pink was a colour generally associated with boys until the 1920s, wikipedia it if you don't believe me.
My two sons have pink mega blocks and they have never questioned it.
Yes there is a lot of pink stuff for girls, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 23:08:31

It's more than just about colour or a fecking iron?

They have access to all the same types of toys that boys do, and if they want to play with them, then that's down to the parents to encourage.

As long as she is not made to feel inferior, or think that she can only do certain things in life then that's what counts.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:08:48

MrsCant, that is not what I'm saying. I am talking about attitudes towards the genderisation of toys, not specifically de-genderising the toys themselves.

curiousgeorgie Wed 14-Nov-12 23:08:53

There's nothing wrong with pink blocks.

My DD plays with pink blocks, a pink little tykes car, a pink version of Alfie bear, you name it, she has it in pink.

But she also has a garage and it's BLUE wink

It's really not a big deal.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:11:29

Oh ffs curious join in by all means but the thread has moved on a lot. It's not about what your DD has.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:12:11

Tethers I know. And I am talking about de-genderising the toys being the answer.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:12:43

The iron is a good example- the only reason we see ironing as a negative activity is because of its low status. Low status which is due to it being done almost exclusively by women over the past few hundred years.

Do we feel the same about building a house?

DamnBamboo Wed 14-Nov-12 23:12:52

Anyway Mrs nice to 'chat'

I'm off to bed now.

smile

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:13:39

Goodnight Bamboo smile

TheCraicDealer Wed 14-Nov-12 23:14:25

Ignore Mrs, Curious- I'm sure she didn't mean to be so rude.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:14:31

Tethers...which is why I suggest making toy irons in ALL colours and having ONE aisle of toys in which toy irons feature alongside cars, dolls, workbenches, horses....etc

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:15:07

Yes I did *craic because imo it's rude to read the thread opener and not bother with the rest of the input.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:15:44

I think de-genderising the toys is one of the answers- it would certainly have an impact. But I worry that the effect would be undone by well-meaning parents steering their DDs away from play which they see as not as worthy due to their own entrenched negative connotations with anything traditionally defined as 'female'

BastardSpiders Wed 14-Nov-12 23:17:18

MrsCant pulling people up on being rude, by erm being rude.... grin

Oh the sheer irony of it. grin

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:17:47

I can see some might do that Tethers...just as some parents would still discourage their DS from choosing "girls toys" but eventually it would even out as things became less about separating things.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:18:29

Oh I know Bastard I know.

Sorry Curious for being rude. I do think it's best to read a thread fully and then respond accordingly.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:22:54

You see, I disagree with that, Mrs- I don't think it would even out without a 'push'- otherwise the parents are going to ensure that the divide remains, even if its impact is softened. Which, IMO, isn't bloody good enough grin

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:24:05

It's getting a push already but these things take a long time.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:28:49

Is it?

Because most campaigns I see against the genderisation of toys are stigmatising pink and doing all the things I have described.

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:32:12

It's not only the organised campaigns that make waves Tethers...parents do...even ones not involved in campaigns. We're the ones who buy or don't buy.

fishcalledwonder Wed 14-Nov-12 23:32:59

I think it will continue as so many parents embrace it. As someone said upthread, if people didn't want them, pink toys wouldn't be made.

As a mother of a DD, I do not want any limits placed on her because she is a girl. She is currently only 1 so I can ensure she has access to all types of toys, pink pretty ones included. At this point, pink blocks would do no harm.

As soon as other influences creep in, I will be fighting against the narrow view of what it means to be a girl that is thrust at little girls from all angles. Yes she may 'choose' the pink, princessy path, but I feel that girls are being pushed down that path rather than choosing it for themselves.

tethersend Wed 14-Nov-12 23:35:00

But even parents aren't impervious to the strong societal influences.

CanonFodder Wed 14-Nov-12 23:37:26

YANBU, it never fails to strike me as completely ridiculous that everything a girl touches these days has to be pink. My DD is 7 and we have had to go out of our way to find things that are girly but not fuschia, in your face pukey pink OR sweet and sickly baby girl pink. DD hates the colour, as do I these days, mostly because of it's pigeonholing of females and because it is absolutely bloody everywhere!

CanonFodder Wed 14-Nov-12 23:39:13

And the worst offenders have to be ELC. I just don't get why kids toys can't just be bright, funky colours, which could include pink, but not the pink overkill they currently are!

MrsCantSayAnything Wed 14-Nov-12 23:44:42

Look Harrods open gender neutral toy dept

Ha! Good on them! Now when Tesco see fit to do the bloody same we'll be on the way.

fishcalledwonder Wed 14-Nov-12 23:49:17

Don't fancy a trip to Knightsbridge every time I want to buy DD toys!

MrsCantSayAnything Thu 15-Nov-12 00:07:35

Well I know. But it's a start.

Portofino Thu 15-Nov-12 08:49:10

I am completely with Tethers on this one. Dd is asking for the Lego Friends stuff for Xmas, the marketing off which in France and Belgium is much more "ooh look they have invented Lego for girls" hmm a good point made by Belgo when I was bemoaning the cost of the advent calendars the other day.
However she also want a chemistry set.

Portofino Thu 15-Nov-12 08:49:59

I love the 1976 Argos calendar - it's like my childhood in a catalogue grin

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