I am about to explode with my boss

(176 Posts)
FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 19:58:30

I am feeling stabby and want to kill him. Several weeks ago, he asked me and a colleague to organise an awayday for our team. He said it should build on the last one. OK, we said, we can do that, but people will want some fun activities as well. He, and another colleague, have emailed us a vast list of "helpful" suggestions as to what we might do on the awayday. We realised there were some politics here, so said yes, how helpful, we will look at these and see what we can come up with.

We came up with several options for the day using the Shit Sandwich approach - a fun, team building warm up exercise, which will take around 45 minutes, then a quick coffee break, and onto the next exercise, which is his serious work one, finishing with a fun, but relevant activity after lunch.

He has vetoed every single fucking suggestion we have come up with, both for the fun activities and the serious bit in the middle. We are now a week away from the awayday, and I cannot tell you how much time we have wasted on this, as he won't consider ideas, but wants concrete plans, set out in writing.

We have come up with what we thought was a good plan, still using the Shit Sandwich approach. I have emailed him to tell him our latest suggestion which is exactly what he said he wanted for the serious bit. I have said that I don't want to divulge details of the two "fun" exercises, as it is important that everyone comes at these "blind" and doesn't have time to think about them.

I've just got an email (yes, sent this evening). He has vetoed our serious activity and has said we don't seem to have thought about Susan's suggestions. We did think about them, but Susan is as mad as a box of frogs and her suggestions were too. He has also vetoed our "fun" parts to the day, unless we can tell him concretely what they involve.

We have one week to go.

AIBU to tell him to shove the whole thing up his arse and he and Susan can come up with something between them.

And then to crack his fucking head open with an axe and leave the building?


ladygoldenlion Wed 14-Nov-12 20:03:42

YABU grin

ladygoldenlion Wed 14-Nov-12 20:04:23

Meant to say YANBU!!!! blush

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 20:05:04

And he won't order in sandwiches for the team, so we can have a team lunch together. People should bring in their own, apparently, or we can go to a local restaurant and each pay for our own lunch. To pay for sandwiches for everyone would cost him peanuts - we have in house caterers who can do it with a bit of notice and it will cost around £3 a head.

nannyl Wed 14-Nov-12 20:09:02


heyannie Wed 14-Nov-12 20:09:30

If it were me, being a worrier, I'd be doing a post mortem on myself wondering if I should have kept him more in the loop so he would have been able to veto things earlier and thus I wouldn't have wasted so much time, however he sounds like a twat so it probably wouldn't have made a difference... YANBU wink

And the lunch thing is outrageous, the whole point of an away day is a free lunch!

gordyslovesheep Wed 14-Nov-12 20:13:55


I would suggest you meet face to face with him and explain that you need more information about what he actually wants since you feel you have followed his brief but it's obviously not what he wants.

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 20:16:03

He has been kept in the loop every step of the way and has just vetoed every suggestion. Often with no feedback, just "I don't think this is what I want to do" or "I'm not sure that will work." He hasn't answered the questions, so what do you want to do then (well, I thought he had, and that our latest suggestion was exactly what he wanted to do, but clearly it wasn't) or why won't it work?

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 20:16:57

We've had face to face meetings, emails, you name it. If I have another face to face meeting, it is more likely to be (my) hand to (his) face.

ihearsounds Wed 14-Nov-12 20:19:55

well clearly him and Susan know what they want to do, you are not a mindreader so i would email back and tell him to do it..

NatashaBee Wed 14-Nov-12 20:27:10

I'd be pretty narked if I was given a week's notice that I had to pay for lunch with my team who I don't like much anyway and maybe start earlier or finish later than normal.

I'd set up a brainstorming session with him, bring all your ideas to the table and work through them until you're left with a final few, then you can put those to the rest of the team (or a select few team members/colleagues to vote on) - you need to get something in place, regardless of how awkward he's being, by engineering a situation where he puts in some ideas and can't leave you hanging by vetoing everything.

Narrowboat Wed 14-Nov-12 20:28:58

Sounds nasty and controlling! Leave the bastard.

Or just come up with crazier and crazier suggestion. A cocktail mixology lesson or pole dancing tutorial.

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 20:30:48

Mmm, cocktails....

<strokes beard thoughtfully>


We had also planned to start at 1000 and finish at 4, so that people could leave early as it's a Friday, or go for a team drink. But apparently we have to go through till 6.

Is there a new mn rule that mad as a box of frogs must be used in every post? Please say there is.

Yanbu. I once had a boss who left me to arrange an event and then rearranged everything on the day. He re worked the entire agenda and every slide, even as the event was running. Had me scurrying around to find the right kind of olives.

ImperialStateKnickers Wed 14-Nov-12 20:32:29

<wanders into thread>

Thanks for reminding my why I set up on my own.

<wanders back out>

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Wed 14-Nov-12 20:37:41

Do we work for the same company? There's a director where I work who used to manage staff based at 2 different sites 150-odd miles away from each other. One year he decided that his budget couldn't stretch to taxis and accommodation for all the staff to attend the Christmas party so he told the staff at one site that it was cancelled grin

echt Wed 14-Nov-12 20:38:50

I worked in a school where the HT did this. I soon cottoned on and made sure that everything I presented to him had some inconsequential item he could adjust without damaging the whole.

Boss is shagging Susan...

tiggytape Wed 14-Nov-12 22:23:06

Email Susan and tell her he wants her to organise it.

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 22:29:45

Oh Waslost, what a truly horrible thought!! Think Susan might be a bit huffy because she wasn't asked to do it anyway.

Yes, Think. New rule. Compulsory, apparently.

SminkoPinko Wed 14-Nov-12 22:34:40

Can't you drop out of running it? It's going to be shit and you'll get the blame!

mummydarkling Wed 14-Nov-12 22:46:10

Tell your boss how difficult it has been for you. Perhaps you could have a DIY buffet eg "bags I taking in the Pringles". He may have no budget for lunch.....Susan may be an insightful woman give her ideas a chance. Away days during a recession are very difficult. At least you can vent on MN so you can be calm and reasonable with him. smile

CointreauVersial Wed 14-Nov-12 22:53:51

I would definitely be dumping it on Susan at this point.

ifancyashandy Wed 14-Nov-12 22:55:42

I would lay my cards on the table. In writing.

'Dear Shit Boss,

Firstly, thank you for giving me the opportunity to use my powers of mind reading organise the shindig. Myself and colleague A have very much enjoyed brainstorming and coming up with ideas but our powers of telepathy have evaded us I am concerned that with a week to go, we don't seem to have found a plan you are happy with. Is there a different / particular route you would like us to go down? I know you said you liked the idea of blah blah blah but were concerned about XYZ. We tried to address your concerns with ABC but you were understandably doubtful it would work due to TBC. (List all examples here).

I only ask for your advice and support in this matter as I am worried that the deadline is looming and we are no closer to confirming the state of play. Any input from you would be gladly received..

Yours, A Failed Mindreader.

You have to accept that he does not want you to succeed without him swooping in at the final minute to save you. He's a cunt twat. So play him at his own game. Be sorry you can't deliver what he wants because - and this is crucial - he has been unable to give positive ideas of what he wants. But spin that to look like yuve tried to facilitatenall his ideasnbutntheyve not worked (and list reasons they've been unable to come To fruition). You need to delegate Up (to him) and use the 'Help me OBWanKenobe you're my only hope'. He wants to save the day? Well, then let him come up with the ideas.

You may have to accept that you ain't going to win this one BUT if you do all you can to flag this in advance (and the reasons why ie. his inability to articulate his requests), so what? You and your colleagues will know you did all you can and ultimately, it came down to him. Whistleblow and kill with kindness at the same time. He'll know he was the obstruction in the end...

Kill him. Dispose of the evidence wink

I'd be completely at the end of my tether.

ifancyashandy Wed 14-Nov-12 22:57:33

Apols for typos. iPad...

ifancyashandy Wed 14-Nov-12 22:59:57

Oh, and another thing... Write the email tonight / first thing BUT DO NOT SEND IT!

Leave it in your drafts for at least 2 hours and then look at it again. Remove any and all emotion and clearly list facts. Putting it in writing means you have it on record your tried to be party to the solution but keeping it factual means it can never be used against you...

Bobyan Wed 14-Nov-12 23:03:33

I had a similar issue with my boss on Tuesday evening, in a meeting scheduled to start outside my normal hours (I'm PT).
I basically got a bollocking for not doing what they wanted, even though I did what they originally asked for and then they changed their mind.

I had being uming and arring for awhile about how happy I was with my job, so I bit the bullet and resigned. Right there and then.

That will fecking teach 'em.

I don't suggest you do the same, but your welcome to share my glory of having the final laugh for once

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 23:05:48

Ifancyashandy - I have done just that! It is in my drafts, ready to send tomorrow if I still feel the same. I think it is quite reasonable. His email to me, which he has also copied to Susan and my other colleague, plus the head honcho, makes him look like some unhinged control freak, from his insistence to be told exactly what is in the exercises. I have promised him no balloons, and no compulsory removal of clothing. grin My colleague I am supposed to be organising this thing with emailed me to say "what a fecking arse he is." Susan is strangely silent. I wonder if she is thinking that this is all going to end up on her head soon.

SminkoPinko Wed 14-Nov-12 23:06:10

I fantasize about doing that, Bobyan! Big respect.

Bobyan Wed 14-Nov-12 23:07:59

I'm now fantasizing about finding a new job, not so much respect! smile

blackeyedsusan Wed 14-Nov-12 23:14:27

susan has not read the email as she is round at the bosses' and they are ..ahem.. busy...

SminkoPinko Wed 14-Nov-12 23:15:20

yy, I suppose that's the downside! Wasn't it massively cathartic telling them to stuff it though? Surely it must be worth the penury! Good luck finding a new job - do you want mine?

ifancyashandy Wed 14-Nov-12 23:19:07

Good for you. And since he has copied Head Honcho in, you do know you're at massive liberty to do likewise?! Foolish, foolish man!!

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 23:20:00

Is that you, Susan? shock

Bobyan Wed 14-Nov-12 23:21:51

you could always call in sick...

BluelightsAndSirens Wed 14-Nov-12 23:21:58

Susan and the boss, sitting in a tree.....?

SminkoPinko Wed 14-Nov-12 23:22:53

btw, ifancyashandy, you are a genius! Good luck, fww.smile

OldMumsy Wed 14-Nov-12 23:24:16

Oh dear OP, I have been there with a client like this. Asks for a Management Information application and when asked what it needs to show just get the "I want something with the Wow Factor". This translates to "I haven't got a feckin clue and I need you to do my job as well as your own".

No suggestions I'm afraid, just accept that you will disappoint him, maybe that's what he wants so he can promote the mad Susan who he is probably sleeping with.

fryingpanalley Wed 14-Nov-12 23:27:21

Christ I hate awaydays. Every one I have ever been on starts with some cock announcing the most important thing is that they are "FUN". God knows I have a very different definition of fun. My idea of fun is getting roaringly pissed and coming out of a nightclub on Brighton seafront and running to the sea and dancing in the waves under the moonlight and snogging unsuitable men. Their idea is sitting in a windowless crappy hotel conference suite with only a pathetic bowl of mints to eat listening to colleagues moaning about the same things they droned on about at last year's awayday and the one before that.... Thank fuck I'm on maternity leave and get to miss this year's effort.

fryingpanalley Wed 14-Nov-12 23:33:42

Should have said, am sure your "fun" ideas are better than average <don't want to offend> but how much more fun would it be to kill your boss with an axe, as you suggest. That sounds like proper fun. It could be the climax of the day.

Think Susan might be a bit huffy because she wasn't asked to do it anyway

Susan may yet solve all your problems...Scorned Susan in the Conference Room with the lead pipe. Awayday for work will be following the hearse and some delicious sausage rolls afterwards. There's your perfect shit sandwich OP grin

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 14-Nov-12 23:53:14

And salmon sandwiches (tinned salmon, red, not pink) - that's what we always have at a funeral. And a nice bit of fruit cake. And a bucket of gin. But no shit sandwiches.

My idea of fun is along the lines of Fryingpanalley's. Disturbingly close, in fact. Un fortunately we've been told no alcohol. grin Susan likes a drink. Perhaps we could get her tanked up before it starts, and gently thrust the lead piping into her hand.

I've still had no reply on who is paying for lunch.

ifancyashandy Thu 15-Nov-12 05:49:07

smimlopinko why thank you! <blushes>.

I've had to write many such emails In my time - I work in an industry with many 'creative' people who get royally pissed off when you can't read their bloody minds!!

FuckingWonderwoman Thu 15-Nov-12 06:20:41

Right, I have sent it. I have said that we will revisit some of his and Susan's earlier suggestions, and see if we can incorporate them in what we are doing for the main exercise. I have also said (again) that it is important that everyone comes at the fun parts from the point of no prior knowledge, and have asked, rather passive-aggressively, if he can live with this. And finally, I have commented that given the amount of time this has taken to do and research, I can see why it has been left to professional companies in the past. And I have copied in the Head Honcho and Susan to our exchange.

If he comes back and insists on knowing what is in the fun activities, this is when I will reply to all, saying "do it your fucking self, I'm pulling out of this."

Interestingly, in the feedback for his annual review, almost everyone commented that he appears to have little idea of the impact of his behaviour on others... personally, I think this is deliberate, and he enjoys pissing people off.

RawShark Thu 15-Nov-12 06:30:56

It's a shame you can't email Susan and tell her she's now project manager (this is based on a scenario at work where people had their project manager role taken off them and given to someone else. However this only emerged at their appraisal, which was the first they had heard about being supposed to do the project manager role.

Fairyloo Thu 15-Nov-12 06:37:14


Can I pick your brains as to what the fun activities are? In a similar situation and my day is totally dry. Need shit sandwich approach (forgot about that!!)

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Thu 15-Nov-12 06:40:28

No need to sweat this - you still have plenty of time and DH has the perfect solution.
As suggested upthread, kill the bastard. Then use his body to make the sandwiches.

HecatePropylaea Thu 15-Nov-12 06:42:17

Is there any way at all you can say ok look, this clearly isn't working. I am going to hand over to you now. You can organise it. Nothing I suggest is acceptable and I have no more ideas. I will not be organising this day.

Euphemia Thu 15-Nov-12 06:52:12

A boss of mine once took us away to a hotel for two days for one of these ridiculous efforts.

We did maybe an hour's actual work the whole time. The highlights were:

(1) Cringing through the boss's ppt presentation on "Change". It was obvious she had googled the word then copied and pasted what she found.
(2) The Elefun and Twister "ice-breakers".
(3) The compulsory "fun" activities, which were all very physical and not remotely suitable for my colleague with arthritis. Two of us blagged passes to the adults-only swimming pool instead.
(4) One colleague falling off a horse and having to be air-lifted to hospital.
(5) Another colleague getting drunk, emotional, then aggressive.

These things are patronising and an utter waste of time and money.

Billwoody Thu 15-Nov-12 06:54:09

Taking a practical approach, I would be tempted to go directly to Susan (assuming she is not in bed with shitboss) and see if the women can't stick together on this one behind the scenes and get it sorted based on 'blokes are rubbish at this stuff'.
Would not be my usual style but needs must in some cases.
I made it to senior management level using this tactic occasionally (probably quite often when I think about it!).
Oh, and make sure you amend any refs to shitboss in your e mail!

FuckingWonderwoman Thu 15-Nov-12 07:14:41

Ah, Euphemia, but we won't be spending any money on ours.

Fairyloo - I will PM you, but don't get too excited as the level of fun is really quite low (although doesn't involve Elefun or Twister).

Euphemia Thu 15-Nov-12 07:36:49

Well you will, really, because the company is paying you all to piss about rather than do your jobs.

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Thu 15-Nov-12 07:41:54

Our department's 'away day' consisted of two days of ppt presentations (delivered by us) in one of the conference rooms at work and a game of golf. I wouldn't have minded Elefun...

BegoniaBigtoes Thu 15-Nov-12 07:47:03

OMG. Another freelancer here who left my office job coming up to 17 years ago because of exactly this kind of outrageous crap.

Leave, go freelance, never look back!

BonzoDooDah Thu 15-Nov-12 07:59:12

Kill the bastard

BonzoDooDah Thu 15-Nov-12 07:59:45

Oh and carry on slagging him off as you're making me giggle on a train!

lottiegarbanzo Thu 15-Nov-12 08:00:12

Present a selection of final ideas with a note explaining that he gave you ideas x, y and z and you have incorporated them in a, b and c ways. Having worked these up in a number of ways you would be pleased for him to make the final choices and adjustments to finesse the programme. You are copying to Susan, asking her to send her comments direct to him. You have spent quite a bit of time on this and need to turn your attention to other work (insert something important) as you're sure he'll agree. Step away, he must take responsibility for this.

He sounds like someone who can't articulate his ideas, so has a vague notion which he's sure is better than anything you've suggested but he can't explain how to do it. That's why you need to reflect his ideas back to him, so there's no question you have worked with what you were given. He'll enjoy 'finessing', being such a creative perfectionist.

lottiegarbanzo Thu 15-Nov-12 09:05:47

Or, talk to Susan, incorporate her ideas in some / one version and let him choose.

Am I being too serious here? I want to hear what happens when you throw his ideas back in his face and leave him to it (go on)!

lottiegarbanzo Thu 15-Nov-12 09:21:12

Darn it, I'd missed page 2! Do update us, won't you?

On the topic of dreadful awaydays my old company had the worst EVER. So bad it made the national newspapers!

Basically as the culmination of a day of training about management courage and teamwork they had arranged for a 'walking on hot coals' finale. The sales director had done it once and said it was brilliant. The problem was he had done it on a beach. Nice warm dry sand underneath. They chose to replicate it in a wet field. Apparently if you walk on hot coals with wet feet all the hotcoals on the top stick to the soles of your feet and burn, burn, burn shock

so, sales director goes first and toughs it out to the end. At some point he must have realised it was wrong and not like his last experience but he didn't say anything as it had been his idea.

Despite him having 3rd degree burns at the other end the rest of the team followed! All the sales guys were in full competitive flow and had to show their mettle (or something, who knows why the hell people do stupid things sometimes). In the end i think about 6 or 7 guys did it. They all ended up in hospital, with third degree burns so it's sort of not really funny. But then it sort of is too, in a darwin awards kind of way. The worst off was the guy who was in so much pain he put his burning feet in the loo. He ended up with septisemia sad. bizarely he was the head of research and development. Basically a scientist. Which makes his decision re the loo especially mad.

I don't normally go in for gender stereotypes but yes, they were all men. I think it really does sometimes take testosterone to achieve quite such stupidity.

So wonderwoman how's that for a new plan? Fun fun fun!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles Thu 15-Nov-12 10:09:35

Has he set you up to fail so Susan gets your job? You have resisted the homicidal urge splendidly btw.

Or tell him it's all sorted and ring in sick! YANBU and I'd tell him so.

Brilliant thread. I like the idea of kill him and have one of the team bonding exercises being spit roasting him and working in teams to make the best sandwich. Which you then eat for lunch. 3 birds with one stone and brilliant fun. Obv make sure to have a vegetarian option.

ipswichwitch Thu 15-Nov-12 10:41:18

Watch Horrible Bosses. They had the right idea

Fillybuster Thu 15-Nov-12 10:44:01

There's definitely room for a team bonding exercise in here. Or maybe a generic (theoretically serious) group discussion on 'leadership traits and management training' grin in which you identify
a) which companies/competitors are doing well in your field
b) what they do differently (this is where you suggest 'management and development structures')
c) how you can implement some of these internally....

If that's too subtle, a group bonding initiative in which you throw rotten tomatoes at the boss could be good smile

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Thu 15-Nov-12 10:58:10

shock ThinkAboutItTomorrow that is the stupidest, craziest thing I've heard in at least a week! I'm wincing just thinking about it.

Adversecamber Thu 15-Nov-12 11:01:15

I hate away days with a passion,. I accidently on purpose got lost in a big maze at a country house once, no one noticed I was missing for ages.

No amount of paper folding, quizzes, making spaghetti and marshmallow towers, dressing up in historical costume etc is going to make me like/work better as a team EVER.

WaitingForMe Thu 15-Nov-12 12:49:10

Another shock at ThinkAboutItTomorrow's story!

I don't understand away days. A former boss organised one at a spa (all female team) that was utterly pointless and got her in trouble with the trustees so she tagged on a brainstorming exercise at the end then threw a bit of a sulk when her lack of structure meant we didn't know what we were meant to do. It struck me at the time that she probably didn't have many friends and hoped a girls day out would make us all magically bond. Funnily enough it just made us feel really uncomfortable.

My DP worked with a load of Finns once and they took him to a sauna as a team build. Sounds innocuous enough doesn't it? Now picture yourself sitting in a sauna with your colleagues drinking vodka. Now realise you are all stark bollock naked........blush

piprabbit Thu 15-Nov-12 14:21:32

Think sounds like it would successfully break down barriers to communication.

I like my awaydays to be a bit tedious and unadventurous, I have to be able to look everyone in the eye the next day. We usually bonded over the shared memories of boredom.

This is a brilliant thread (except for poor OP of course)

I used to have a boss like this, it drive me mad. So mad that I, like others here, handed my notice in. Interestingly they then found they couldn't cope without me (turns out you do have to actually reach decisions at some point) and bought me back as a freelancer at a vastly inflated rate. I worked for them, from home and at hours that suited me, until the Chief Exec (my old boss) finally drove the whole organisation to financial ruin pursuing some pipe dream that was clearly never going to happen. Twat.

piprabbit I think there was a lot of eye contact in the sauna, where the hell else were they going to look?!

piprabbit Thu 15-Nov-12 14:46:58

Brings a whole new perspesctive to the standard advice for coping with scary presentations "imagine the audience are naked"...no imagination needed.

CointreauVersial Thu 15-Nov-12 19:23:53

Horrible Bosses - I'd forgot what a brilliant film that is! But don't watch it OP, it'll only give you ideas.

Someone mentioned marshmallow and spaghetti towers......ha, ha, I inflicted that on a load of guys I work with as a conference "warm up" blush (I planned it but wasn't there, thank goodness). Being nerdy engineers, most of them got seriously stuck into competetive tower-building, although a couple of teams just went "sod that", and ate the marshmallows.

FuckingWonderwoman Thu 15-Nov-12 19:24:53

Can I give you an example of one of his ideas for a fun exercise? And can anyone tell me what this means:

Everyone works in pairs to negotiate issues and seek win-wins that expand the pie.

Susan's ideas (Susan is quite new) mostly revolve around everyone telling her what they do so that she can understand better what they do. She hopes to reciprocate at the next one.

FuckingWonderwoman Thu 15-Nov-12 19:27:01

Susan wants us to discuss how we communicate horizontally.

Maybe she is shagging the boss? confused

FuckingWonderwoman Thu 15-Nov-12 19:28:57

And my email made him feel "hurt and not a little bruised."

Diddums. grin

picnicbasketcase Thu 15-Nov-12 19:29:02

Wow that really is wanky blue sky office vocab.

nailak Thu 15-Nov-12 19:44:42

what about that one where you drop an egg of a chair in to a basket of paper or whatever, is that negotiating issues, seeking win wins and expanding the pie?

SlightlySuperiorPeasant Thu 15-Nov-12 20:06:13

Watch an Anerican film set in some office somewhere as a culture guide to the way your boss talks.

Everyone works in pairs to negotiate issues and seek win-wins that expand the pie.

Blimey. He knows how to have fuuun doesn't he? Jesus, What's the idea for the serious work exercise? Let's all stick pins in one another's eyes to demonstrate trust
I guess you could take a selection of the weird and wonderful scenarios from AIBU and get people to role play the negotiated solution? That might make it less suicidally boring more 'fun'
Expanding pie kind of has to be a work thing though. Unless you say you're trying to get everyone to 'think outside the box' (go management speak!) and the exercise is how would brand or product x 'expand their pie' and have the brands being things like Durex and KY jelly?! grin

As a random aside the introduction of 3for2 offers on condoms actually grew the condom market (volume sales). No one has ever worked out if it successfully got the people of Britain shagging more, made sex safer or just added to landfill and student water balloon fights.

Full of useless info me.

By the way, op you sound proper pissed off now. Sorry he is such a twat.

dikkertjedap Thu 15-Nov-12 20:26:56

If you want to stay there, just be careful with him. You cannot win.

Play his game, delegate upwards, don't get embroiled in arguments which you have no hope winning.

Also, I would be careful when writing internal emails to your colleague and vice versa - not sure how your organisations IT people work but I would proceed on the basis that nothing is confidential.

I worked in several organisations where bosses were able to read staff work and private emails and listen in to their phone conversations.

I don't want to worry you, but if you want to stay there, just be careful.

If it all goes belly-up he may look for a scape-goat, you don't want to be that person.

FuckingWonderwoman Thu 15-Nov-12 20:41:16

Dikkertjedap. Fear not, we have only discussed. Emails kept formal while we rant externally. And he has refused to extend my contract ("because he didn't have to") so I am leaving next year anyway.

Euphemia Thu 15-Nov-12 20:42:53

win-wins that expand the pie

That is HILARIOUS! I am so glad I don't work in that kind of environment any more!

Almost weeping at the walking on fire and dunking feet in toilets.

At the risk of teaching you to suck eggs and bringing on the stabby even more....

He is being an inefficient twat as well as an annoying one because he is throwing ideas at you instead of a brief. It might help if you go back a step and clarify what he wants to acheive in the day and in each session. I always find it helps to do this in the context of the attendees. What does he want them to think and feel at the end of each session?

So instead of just:
Session 1: fun warm up
Session 1:
Outcome: audience feels relaxed and open to exploring new ideas and ways of doing things
Method: warm up excercise involving xyz

This might help to Make sure he stays focussed and doesn't try to get every session doing everything, why is what it sounds like he is doing.

mrsC it was a major global corporation as well. Can't name names as there were law suits after so the whole thing became 'the awayday we do not mention' but i seem to recall The Sun got wind of it.

I am genuinely howling over here ThinkAboutIt.... you should pitch it to a sketch show grin

Worst away did that I ever did was a countryside conservation schtick, ended up stumbling across a mink trap where there was a mink eating a duckling......freaked out and tried to run back over to the group but slid in some sort of excrement and tumbled into a small pond full of frog spawn.

Never again.

Was it this one? Thinkaboutit

ChippingInLovesAutumn Fri 16-Nov-12 02:19:19

My sides are aching... grin

Wonderwoman - Fucking hell - how on earth have you not burried him before now?????

garlicbaguette Fri 16-Nov-12 02:45:01

I just have to mark my place and hope this brilliant thread continues later! Night, and thanks everyone grin OP - yanbu, obv! I so want you to find a way of shafting him on the awayday wink

catsmother Fri 16-Nov-12 05:00:18

Is your boss called David Brent ?

FuckingWonderwoman Fri 16-Nov-12 06:07:58

We are having a meeting later to discuss the awayday, with Head Honcho, my boss, my lovely colleague who is tearing his hair out as well, and Susan. I will let you know if we manage to expand or contract the pie.

flow4 Fri 16-Nov-12 06:51:36

Do you know about this rather splendid site, Wonderwoman? www.businessballs.com/

It has a whole section on team building activities

It sounds like your awayday definitely needs to include a game of Bullshit Bingo ! grin

More seriously, tell him about the fun activities. Bosses are paid to be control freaks and don't like surprises. I'm a manager and trainer and not too much of a control freak and I would not like not knowing... You can swear him to secrecy and give him a small but satisfying sense of power and thereby probably reassure him enough to get him to shut up about everything else.

And (though this bit of advice may be too late to be useful) since he's apparently a bit of a tosser, he will probably like things that look 'impressive' - style over substance. So use a session plan template like this to wow him... It's MUCH harder to argue with something like this than with ideas in an email... unless he's really putting effort into being difficult And then if he still doesn't like it, you can say sweetly "OK, that's fine. I'll leave it with you then. It'll be really easy for you to adjust that plan exactly as you like". And you can then leave him to sweat grin

fatima no, ours was in the uk, but looks similarly stupid!

Hope your meeting goes well OP. come back to rant later and if you did want any serious ideas let us know. I'm sure the communal power of mn can please one boss, even an impossible one like yours.

It helps if you think of your job being to make him look good. Sometimes despite himself. That's the bit that they never put in the job description but every boss secretly expects.

Adversecamber Fri 16-Nov-12 08:43:42

Don't forget to update, I await with baited breath, good luck.

MulledWineOnTheBusLady Fri 16-Nov-12 09:00:36

I think it will come out at the meeting that he's passive-aggressively vetoing everything because he doesn't want the fun sandwiching the serious, and never did. And rather than just telling you this straight, he'll veto everything involving "fun exercises", even if it also involves stuff he's asked for, because he is a shit boss with the communication skills of a two-year-old.

But TBH although he is communicating it badly and appears to speak only in Wank I basically think he's right. Nobody's idea of "fun" is the same. I'd much rather just sit around and do a load of slightly boring wanky exercises and listen to slightly boring lectures with colleagues than be forced to do "fun" things with them. It's just incredibly awkward for everybody.

stifnstav Fri 16-Nov-12 09:04:57

This thread makes me want to eat some pie. And sandwiches.

Why do companies do this? Cringingly awful and expensive time wasters.

The fire burning coals/ 3 degree burns story sounds like David Brent!

On a plus side you could suggest you do the old 'we'll catch you, trust in your team' fall back exercise and swiftly step away. That should shut him up.

I agree with you mulled but sometimes it does help to put something fun in to keep everyone awake and also to help make it a memorable day, if that's something which is useful, depending on what you're trying to achieve

Astelia Fri 16-Nov-12 09:28:54

I am looking forward to hearing the update too.

The business sounds really on its uppers if it can't run to a sandwich for everyone. Team building exercise + keeping everyone until 6pm on a Friday + no lunch = waste of time and reduced team spirit. Better not to bother.

NatashaBee Fri 16-Nov-12 12:01:06

Given the boss's communication skills, maybe you should suggest a game of bullshit bingo to round off the day? Throw in 'blue sky visions', 'cohesive teamwork' and 'horizontal planning' and you'll have the game in the bag.

gimmesunshine Fri 16-Nov-12 12:17:48

Loving this thread. Just marking my place in case of updates grin

LineRunner Fri 16-Nov-12 12:23:18

Oh my current boss man is like this. I just tell him to fuck off. Works a treat.

Fillybuster Fri 16-Nov-12 12:46:45

How did the meeting go OP?

Some good ideas in there from Flow4.....although probably too late for you now!

<bookmarks site for future reference>

MikeOxard Fri 16-Nov-12 14:38:10

Yanbu, and yab hilarious to use the phrase 'shit sandwich'. I shall be trying to use this approach more in my daily life. grin

BRANdishingMistletoe Fri 16-Nov-12 15:33:46

I've been to a wedding in Finland that sounds just like that Finnish office away day, everyone off their heads on Vodka and ending up naked in the sauna. grin

If your contract is up anyway OP then I would collate all the emails and accidentally bcc all the attendees the day before the event. I would also order the fanciest possible lunch from in-house catering. Then I would be too ill to attend but send an email (again with a bcc to all attendees) saying that you have every confidence in Susan to run the day. Mind you, I'm not a team player and when I worked in an office nobody in their right mind would have asked me to organise any sort of team event.

FuckingWonderwoman Fri 16-Nov-12 18:54:55

We had a great meeting. grin Susan had forgotten it was happening and wasn't there. Bossman said he wanted to know exactly what we were planning.

So we told him. Except we used as much jargon as possible, so he was none the wiser and didn't like to ask - eg "What does this first exercise involve, Wonderwoman?" "Oh it's a fantastic way of investigating your emotional intelligence and exploring the ways that others perceive how you interact with the world, how your motivations work and I think you'll find it really pushes the envelope. It's terribly interactive and we're mixing everyone up according to their colour types - that's like Myers Briggs but more in depth - you'll need to do the test but I would say you were an orange. Wouldn't you Keith? I'd definitely say he was an orange. We'll need post it notes, white boards, flip charts and tissues. It can get quite emotional as everyone's innermost fears come to the surface, but at the end of it, the objective of seeing yourself through others' eyes will be achieved. I'll hand over to Keith now, for the serious part."

Keith then went on to play a blinder, using such catchy phrases as blue skies thinking, strategy, thinking strategically about the work plan for the year and how it could not just be achieved but surpassed. We would look at different ways in which the pie could be divided, exploring in depth such controversial ways of working as the Chinese five year plan - could this work for us? And Wang's Theorum (he made this up), how we work with our competitors, how we could serve our customers better, to improve their loyalty. He ended by saying that he would then split everyone into four different groups for the final "fun" exercise.

The only question he spluttered out at the end was why the fun exercise involved two teams, and couldn't all be done together. The answer? Because only four people could play Ludo at any one time. He laughed nervously, looked at us, and we kept perfectly straight faces.

I ended by asking about who would be paying for the lunch, and gave him costing for bringing in something from outside (nice food) and the in house catering (yucky sandwiches) and steered him in the direction of the nice food, as the cost difference was negligible. He clearly wanted to escape the room at this point, so agreed to the outside caterers, and that it could be funded from his budget. I wanted to ask if we could have wine too, but thought that might be pushing it.

So we got a win-win result and expanded the pie quite nicely. grin

MulledWineOnTheBusLady Fri 16-Nov-12 18:58:08

shock You are a legend! I would NEVER have had the balls. Hilarious!

I feel a pressing need to discover and prove Wang's Theorem now.

LineRunner Fri 16-Nov-12 18:58:24

I still think I would have told him to fuck off.

But bloody well done - result to you! grin Wang's Theorum dictates you can have a drink now.

FuckingWonderwoman Fri 16-Nov-12 19:07:32

Keith and I had a long chat first thing this morning about how we were going to play this one. We were really not sure it would work, and if it had backfired, I think he would have got very angry. But we thought, what the heck! grin

FuckingWonderwoman Fri 16-Nov-12 19:08:17

Wang's Theorum - the amount of time it takes me to finish a bottle of Beaujolais Nouveau.

LineRunner Fri 16-Nov-12 19:09:53

I got cornered in a workshop once to do Meyers Briggs. I thought we were meant to be repairing a sewer system in a clay-based drift geology.

LineRunner Fri 16-Nov-12 19:13:00

I don't mean a car repair workshop. That would be insane.

Euphemia Fri 16-Nov-12 19:20:03

Wang's Theorem! Love it! The Chinese five year plan!

You are a goddess.


garlicbaguette Fri 16-Nov-12 19:24:35

SUPERB!!! Oh, well done grin

You and Keith should set up a consultancy.

dikkertjedap Fri 16-Nov-12 19:26:17

Well done! Good on you.


Make sure you get some of those fun SHAPED post it notes, really blow the budget

i think you'll find you need to create some kind of model, exploring the correlation between proximity to your contract's end and telling morons to fuck off.

Do you have a touch of red in your profile by any chance?, grin

ifancyashandy Fri 16-Nov-12 19:32:33

I want to employ and / or work with you! FREAKIN' GENIUS!!!

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall! I am SO stealing this for future dealings with 'Shit Boss(es)'.

Kudos, Lady, kudos.

HoleyGhost Fri 16-Nov-12 19:49:25

Well done grin

redexpat Fri 16-Nov-12 20:18:40

<High fives wonderwoman>

flow4 Fri 16-Nov-12 20:20:53

Wang's theory is GENIUS - well done to you and Keith! grin

I got trained to do Myers-Briggs on people. hmm It didn't make my managers happy when I said I thought it was basically like horoscopes!

My own away-day highlight was once getting 100 people in 10 teams to build models of how they perceived their organisation out of junk materials!! grin My personal favourites were the team who built a goal out of pipe-cleaners and made it stand up with chewed-up toffees, and the other team who built a puppet out of paper plates then stood on the tables to show how managers were jerking their strings! grin

Honestly. I'm not making that up.

bigTillyMint Fri 16-Nov-12 21:37:58

Fantastic ending - you really are a fucking wonderwomansmile

Grincherella Fri 16-Nov-12 22:00:36

Never was a bottle of Beaujolais nouveau more well-earned. Gwan, have another one. grin

CointreauVersial Sat 17-Nov-12 00:09:52

Wow, you really did run it up the flagpole to see who saluted. Then you picked up the cliche and ran with it. Just keep pushing the peanut forward. wink

flow er, how did the managers take that? Was there a real tumbleweed moment when they showed the puppets off?

flow4 Sat 17-Nov-12 18:31:34

Actually, it wasn't too bad, Think. There was a lot of good humour - and when I thought about it, I decided that staff simply wouldn't feel safe to make that sort of model if they didn't basically trust their management. There was an open, heated and critical discussion afterwards, which was uncomfortable but useful. If managers are really committed to improvement, they have to get brave about criticism!

LineRunner Sat 17-Nov-12 18:34:00

So that's all good, then. Moving forward.

BonzoDooDah Tue 20-Nov-12 22:58:25

Bloody brilliant! This has made me smile so much!!

edam Tue 20-Nov-12 23:08:06

Excellent, ruddy well done that woman (and Keith)! Loving your work: wang theory and the Chinese five year cycle. grin

Flow, love your paper plate people but interesting you say that about Myers-Briggs, I've always thought it was exactly like horoscopes. I scoffed at it the first training course I went on, then the trainer pointed out they were a mother-daughter team and I thought that was quite interesting (but perhaps the trainer was lying and had merely spotted what would make me interested in it...).

KenDoddsDadsDog Tue 20-Nov-12 23:16:36

You totally caught the low hanging fruit on the tree there! Now turn it into wine

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Tue 20-Nov-12 23:26:22



What do you think will happen when your boss sits down tonight to google Wang's Theorum ?

Will he find this thread?

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Tue 20-Nov-12 23:27:58

Oh boy.

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NotQuintAtAllOhNo Tue 20-Nov-12 23:28:42

Or a different Wang I hope.

Felicitywascold Wed 21-Nov-12 00:02:58

My favourite 'away day' memory is from when I worked for a boss who had swallowed an 80s management dictionary and got stuck in the decade for good measure- I mean the man couldn't hold a conversation without using the word 'synergy' at least twice.

He had us literally doing 'blue sky thinking'. I mean we had to literally draw a beach scene with a wave and a big blue sky and then add labels and pictures to it to describe where the company was now, and then on the crest of the wave where we wanted to be in five years, huge piece of paper stuck on the wall.

One of our more earnest colleagues drew a seagull in the blue sky and described it shitting on the wave and the surfers (workers -us). He then explained earnestly that he felt our boss was the seagull.

I still nearly hyperventilate at the awkwardness and suppressed laughter. Best. Awkward. Work. Moment. EVER.

Zorayda Wed 21-Nov-12 00:35:29

Brilliant! Loving Wang theory... well done to both of you - I'd love to have either or both of you pitching with me!

cerealqueen Wed 21-Nov-12 00:44:51

Great story. Your boss is a lazy fucker though. He is the manager and should be doing this stuff for his team. Part of the territory.

riveroise Wed 21-Nov-12 00:52:22

I reckon "Wangs Theorum" is where you get out your Casio calculator, tap on the keys and display the word "bollocks" smile

SminkoPinko Wed 21-Nov-12 08:11:03

lolololol @ the seagull boss shitting in the surfer workers. Thank goodness I wasn't there. I would have had to leave the room to cry with laughter.

FuckingWonderwoman Mon 26-Nov-12 20:29:21

I hate to come back to this thread, but he came back to me today on the catering (which I thought was all done and dusted) and said he thought it was a bit expensive. He wanted me to buy bread, butter, ham and cheese on my way in, and we could have a "team building session" making the lunch.

I laughed hysterically and told him that we would have to cancel the caterers and pay full price anyway (he has already moved the date of the awayday, so we have inconvenienced them once already - it is now happening this week). He has still asked me to cost out making sandwiches, and to ask the caterers to waive the cost if he cancels at short notice. He is living in La La Land, isn't he?

AwkwardSquad Mon 26-Nov-12 20:45:00

This is making me think wistfully of that Armstrong and Miller sketch - the one where Armstrong is terribly pleasant to some hapless fool and then when they leave, he presses the 'kill them' button...

Bobyan Mon 26-Nov-12 20:51:00

What a knob. You have my sympathies!

DeckSwabber Mon 26-Nov-12 20:59:02

Make sure that when you cost up the change of menu you include your hourly rate for the time it has taken you.

What a draining person he must be to have around.

BRANdishingMistletoe Mon 26-Nov-12 21:03:51

Now is the time for gaslighting, just serve the catered lunch and deny ever having had that conversation with him.

DeckSwabber Mon 26-Nov-12 21:16:29

What a therapeutic thread.

Feeling pretty stabby myself.

motherinferior Mon 26-Nov-12 21:18:43

He wants you to do his fucking shopping for him???????

Your boss could ask the caterers all he likes about waiving the cost if he cancels at short notice, but from bitter experience, they will still charge full whack even if cancelled.

Definitely he's living in la la land.

DeckSwabber Mon 26-Nov-12 21:46:00

I can see that your boss doesn't think of you as part of his 'team' at all.

He clearly wants this task to fail and by the sounds of it he wants to pin it on you.

motherinferior Mon 26-Nov-12 21:48:34

I think you should have a team building session ramming a baguette up his arse

BRANdishingMistletoe Mon 26-Nov-12 22:03:30

Definitely the baguette manoeuvre, and could you make sure the training session is being film please. grin

What an utter twat!
I have laughed so much at this thread, but karma has bitten me in the bum this week and given me a new boss who appears to be an asshole so far...

Let us know how the day goes!
and don't forget lube for the baguette

plutocrap Mon 26-Nov-12 23:02:57

He senses he's lost face, and is asserting himself in entirely the wrong way...

Email him a Sainsbury's list "to confirm" this is what he wants. You need to cover youself against the Mr Creosote explosion which is bound to occur when you and your colleagues do a Team Feed of his sandwiches to him

KenDoddsDadsDog Tue 27-Nov-12 06:57:46

Is he going to do the David Brent dance especially at the end ?

ThompsonTwins Tue 27-Nov-12 07:07:43

Suggest that the activity for the day should be to organise an awayday for the team. Dismiss every suggestion he makes.


Send him an email saying that you have obviously failed this particular initiative test and asking him for a Masterclass in how to organise an awayday. Suggest that every member of staff should be invited to the event. Tell him that all arrangements should be made by him as he is obviously a complete balloon the only one who has the ability.


Appeal to his boss to arbitrate (if he has one)

TheOldestCat Tue 27-Nov-12 07:21:36

Fantastic thread! Wang's theorem grin

I loathe awaydays with a passion and really want to go freelance just to avoid useless trainers trying to explain the difference between pre-pre consulting and pre-consulting (they couldn't, of course).

When is the big day? Can you keep us updated - a live corporate shite thread?

Afrodizzywonders Tue 27-Nov-12 07:23:53

Personally.....I'd commit the ultimate sin and go straight over his fucking head to the top boss again and let him know what he's doing. It's sandwiches, he's dicking you and the caterers around....he should be worrying about other things really, not.....sandwiches. It shows how annoying he is, you have nothing to lose, he's shafting you not renewing your contract so it's time to play 'hard ball' urghhhhh the speak.

I left the corporate world for this very reason and set up my own businesses, my boss was an utter knob and meetings left me wanting to smash my face through the glass windows and leap down the rabbit holes I could see clearly from the windows.

Get a big roll of copy paper and roll it, shove it up his ass.

Alternatively, you could all piss/sneak off at lunchtime to a nice pub and leave him with some bread and reformed ham to fill his boots with.

Afrodizzywonders Wed 28-Nov-12 09:25:18

Any more news OP?

FuckingWonderwoman Wed 28-Nov-12 21:43:45

I will update post awayday, but wanted you all to know that I have managed to a) get the outside caterers and b) have got them to throw in half a bottle of wine per head for a sightly increased price and that c) he has agreed to pay for this from his budget but doesn't know about the wine. I am inclined to hide it and bring it all out at the end, when everyone will be in need of a drink, and suggest that we all sing "For he's a jolly good fellow" when I announce that he has bought it for the team.

BRANdishingMistletoe Wed 28-Nov-12 21:48:14

grin I think I love you FW. I would employ you like a shot ... if I had a business.

smile Result!
or get Susan to drink it all beforehand and find out if she is shagging the boss

KenDoddsDadsDog Thu 29-Nov-12 11:37:53

Please will you be my new best friend?

Afrodizzywonders Thu 29-Nov-12 18:06:30


BRANdishingMistletoe Fri 30-Nov-12 20:10:16

Was today the away day? Are you currently trying to drink yourself into oblivion in the hope that you'll forget everything? Have you been arrested for forcing an open, but still full, bottle of caterer's plonk into your boss where the sun don't shine? (And then maybe pumping it in and out a little to create a vacuum seal so that he needs medical assistance to remove it?) wink

FuckingWonderwoman Sat 01-Dec-12 18:23:03

Right, well, just to update you all. Susan confirmed that she is indeed as mad as a box of frogs. She had forgotten it was on, and called my boss to ask where everyone was and why she was the only one in the office. She finally turned up almost two hours late (no idea why) and sat there smiling like a Mormon, without participating in any activities, until I forced her to get off her arse and to be the scribe at the flip chart.

First activity (which Susan missed in its entirety, and which I was leading) went really well. Much better than I thought it would, though my boss sat there looking like he was sucking a lemon throughout. Keith and I went onto the serious activity, which we had decided to lead ourselves, splitting the group into two. Boss complained at this, and was told that everyone would come together at the end to share ideas on the two themes. This was a bit dry, but we have some very enthusiastic people, so we split them between the two teams and they sort of carried the exercise through (this was the shit in the sandwich) and got everyone else going. We managed to slip a bit of Susan's jargon idea into this, which increased her smile to that of spaced out druggie.

We kept an eye on the clock and it ran bang to time (that was another of his concerns, that we would run over). We had lunch, which was excellent, and much better than dull old sandwiches, then cracked on with the final activity, which was a fun one (but not actually ludo) and went down well. We finished bang on 4.30, whereupon Keith and I brought out the wine and everyone perked up. Everyone gave us three cheers, and the head honcho (my boss's boss and head of the office) who had appeared for the lunch and the last activity, said he thought it had gone exceptionally well, and made a joke about Keith and I starting up and running awaydays professionally. Everyone laughed dutifully, except Susan, who was in the corner with a bottle of Chardonnay, and my boss, who made his excuses and left at this point.

I didn't see my boss on Friday as he skives off works from home on a Friday, but Keith and I got a nice note from the head honcho thanking us again, saying how much everyone had enjoyed it (cc'd to my boss) and would we be prepared to run one for another office? So I would say, this was a win-win solution, with our strategy paying off, and all horizontal issues covered. Not to forget Wang and his Theorem. gringringrin

BRANdishingMistletoe Sat 01-Dec-12 18:28:53

grin I'm so pleased for you.

I suppose it's completely missing the point to ask if anybody learned anything?

DeckSwabber Sat 01-Dec-12 18:31:12


Well done for totally ignoring your boss, he sounds Luke a total plonker.
Enjoy running the other one that you've been asked to organise. Do keep us updated!

plutocrap Sat 01-Dec-12 20:33:02

Ha, you can thank him fir the vote if confidence, butW anker has chosen not to renew your contract. <innocent emoticon>

Or is that too shit stirring?!


MadamFolly Sat 01-Dec-12 22:05:15


Hurrah for Wang and his theorem! Everything about this thread has reminded me of the US The Office...this scene in particular but it could have been so many wink www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJo1rqNGCeI

KenDoddsDadsDog Sun 02-Dec-12 00:19:51

You are terrific !

SagelyEggnogging Sun 02-Dec-12 00:31:59

Yay! Well done smile
That Susan is a loon grin

dikkertjedap Sun 02-Dec-12 14:32:56

Well done! grin

But the quicker you are out of there, the better I would think (unless your boss would go of course ... that might be a real win-win)! wink

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