A thread for fellow Disney haters - AIBU to.....

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pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 14:08:58

Not buy dd her heart's desire for Christmas?

She wants a Minnie Mouse toy. She is 3 - will be 4 in February.

Now - she only wants one because her little friend is a Minnie obsessive. She (the friend) has Minnie clothes, Minnie toys, Minnie bedroom, Minnie this Minnie that....and in particular, a Minnie plush toy that dd jealously covets whenever we visit their house.

I dislike most things Disney - it would be a cold day in Hell before I would shell out for a trip to Disneyland (Paris OR Florida). We don't even have the Disney channel...so dd's knowledge of Minnie Mouse is simply through her wee pal.

Of all the things Disney - the biggest turn off is Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They're ugly and irritating, and represent all the things about Disney I balk at. The merchandising, the American-ness of it all. Tasteless, brash and tacky is how I find it and them.

Now - I don't expect everyone to agree with that, but that is how I feel. We all have our particular dislikes, and things we won't cave in about, and Disney is mine. A handful of DVDs is one thing - the merchandising quite another.

I don't want to buy her a Minnie Mouse - she will take it everywhere and it will annoy the fuck out of me. Dh says no way, as he hates Disney too.

AIBU?

I am popping out to take ds2 to his swimming lesson, so I will expect to come back to a bunch of replies telling me how awful I am. grin

Oh - and should add - ds2 (who is a year older than dd) has now started saying he wants a Mickey Mouse, as they always like to have the same stuff. I am appalled!

FreudianLisp Mon 12-Nov-12 14:09:59

Well maybe we're both BU, but I agree with you.

Well if you and DH both hate Disney and dont want her to have minnie mouse its a no brainer isnt it....dont buy her one.

However, as she gets older it will be harder not to let her have stuff just because you dont like it. Milk it now while you can smile

MolotovBomb Mon 12-Nov-12 14:11:49

YABU

This isn't about you and what you dislike. It's abou your LO and what she likes.

Shell grow out of Disney soon enough. Let her have this and stop being such a misery-guts.

DameMargotFountain Mon 12-Nov-12 14:12:34

she can't possibly have one of satans spawn a minnie mouse toy because it will get muddled up with her friends wink

i fucking hate the disney shite too

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 14:12:50

I'm with you on the disney hating, however I would worry that a hard line now will result in a disney themed rebellion later (once they can go to the shops with their own money) IYKWIM

can you find a second hand one so that no money is going to disney?

Sparkleandshine78 Mon 12-Nov-12 14:13:53

Yes YABVU....

They love mickey an Minnie and you and your DH are complete mardy spoilsports grin

ps the disney store has them cheap at the mo,
your worst nightmare
your other worst nightmare

Just think of their little faces when they see those in their Christmas stockings!

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 14:15:21

"This isn't about you and what you dislike. It's abou your LO and what she likes."

DS likes biscuits and fizzy drinks for dinner, I don't like to give him crap for every meal.. but its not about what I think is good for him right?? hmm

The child is THREE, the OP is the parent, it IS up to the OP to decide what is good for the child and what is not! and I agree that disney is poisonous shite!

HoneyDragon Mon 12-Nov-12 14:17:18

If that is really all she really wants for Xmas than UABU (but I get why you don't like it)

She likes it
She likes playing with her friend and they can play Minnie together
It's just a mouse
She's probably asked for it for Xmas because she figured Santa is more likely to let her have it than you grin

Stop being a grinch wink

LexieSinclair Mon 12-Nov-12 14:18:23

Well, I hate Disney too, especially the princesses. And don't get me started on what they have done to poor Winnie the Pooh. But kids seem to love it - DD, who is now 5 is only just coming out of her Disney obsession phase. I think you just need to go along with or she will want it to the point of obsession, or someone else will get it for her anyway. I find that little girls have very little taste - the way I see it if it's harmless and makes her happy then so what. smile

Chopstheduck Mon 12-Nov-12 14:19:59

those massive ones are far too big to be carried around everywhere too, so they would be perfect.

yabu.

I can't stand football. I really loathe it, and won't be in the room when it's on. If there is a game dh really wnats to see, I go out and leave him to it. I think they are overpaid, over rated, I hate the hooliganism, the racism, the testosterone. But my three boys love it.

I proudly watch dt1 appear on tv a couple of weeks ago as a mascot for arsenal then turned it off before kickoff. I drive them to football skills sessions, and ds1 plays for his school, and i encourage him fully. I buy them the strips, the gear, the toys, books, etc. I won't watch a game, but I don't stop them from enjoying something THEY want to do.

specialknickers Mon 12-Nov-12 14:20:19

Nope. Don't give in. Disney is evil. If she still wants one when she's 16 and has started her first saturday job, she can buy one herself wink.

LexieSinclair Mon 12-Nov-12 14:20:29

You can hardly compare a Mickey Mouse toy to feeding a child fizzy drinks and biscuits every day.

Happypiglet Mon 12-Nov-12 14:20:39

It's a mouse....with cute clothes....and will make your DD happy.... YABU....

Happypiglet Mon 12-Nov-12 14:21:50

And Minnie isn't evil.... She is a small mouse!!!

KellyElly Mon 12-Nov-12 14:26:05

The child is THREE, the OP is the parent, it IS up to the OP to decide what is good for the child and what is not! and I agree that disney is poisonous shite! So disney is 'bad' for a three year old. I've heard it all now. Some of you on here are absolutely barking.

bellabreeze Mon 12-Nov-12 14:27:17

Yanbu, I agree with you. I'm sure she will be very very happy with the presents you choose for her, if you feel like it though you could get a second hand minnie mouse so you're not giving your money to disney

bananaistheanswer Mon 12-Nov-12 14:27:26

If you stand firm on this, you risk making minnie the ONE thing your DD covets more than anything else, for as long as she's banned from having it, meaning she will never grow out of this phase. And when you can't stop it, she'll disney-fy her whole life to spite you grin. If you give in, this one thing, she'll get bored with it soon enough and then you can hapily bin it without her noticing.

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 14:27:28

"You can hardly compare a Mickey Mouse toy to feeding a child fizzy drinks and biscuits every day"

you're right, disney is far more evil than biscuits!

bananaistheanswer Mon 12-Nov-12 14:30:23

I should add, I didn't do the whole 'pink' thing with DD as I loathe all that bollocks. She still became obsessed with everything in pink at aged 3. Against my better judgement, I bought her all her presents with a pink theme <boak> and it lasted about 18 mths before she denounced all things pink. So phase over, and I get to buy some really funky stuff for DD now that she won't turn her nose up at 'cos it's not pink. <taps nose> you need to be a bit more savvy about these fads. grin

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 14:30:57

yes kelly, Disney is "bad" for a 3 year old, it portrays women in a really shite way! for one haven't you noticed that all disney mothers are either dead, evil, absent, weak or insignificant? Whereas fathers are heros or the one whose approval is of vital importance?

They twist classic stories beyond recognition

Biscuits aren't that bad in moderation!

bellabreeze Mon 12-Nov-12 14:31:00

KellyElly, think about it, disney princesses for example can give young girls their ideas of how a woman/girl should be and act and its not in a good way at all.

Also disney are a horrible company and if someone doesn't want to give them money then that is their right.

I don't give my kids nestle stuff and that's fine because there are plenty of other options.

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 14:32:11

As for the company itself! it's VILE! deaths and injuries on its land are covered up etc

Peanutbutterfingers Mon 12-Nov-12 14:34:50

Kelly, personally I DO think that Disney is bad for 3 yr olds. And children of pretty much any age. They are behind a lot of the 'princessification' of girls, the physical attributes of women are not what our young girls should be aspiring to or thinking is normal and promote the myth that girls need to be rescued by a man. It is not harmless. It is bilge.

bellabreeze Mon 12-Nov-12 14:39:17

And the only women with any power in their films are evil, ugly and never win

joanbyers Mon 12-Nov-12 14:42:50

I am not a Disney hater, but my dd says she wants to watch Mickey Mouse, which is fine, but then insists on watching Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, which is absolute shite, and complains if I try to put on some of the old stuff. grr....

Proper Mickey: www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FzGOOQNDY
The shite dd insists upon: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhkNvz4jbwE

Ionlylikeitwhenitrains Mon 12-Nov-12 14:44:10

YABU If you don't get her minnie it's going to be some other girly crap like barbie or somesuch I think a mouse in a dress is preferable to that. Your decision though but if it makes her happy, I would get it.

Offred Mon 12-Nov-12 14:44:43

Disney and almost everything associated with it is absolutely awful. I made the mistake of mentioning I felt this way in our informal PTA coffee morning....

However, I think YABU if it is something she really wants, I don't really believe in censorship but agree there is a line between censorship and actively purchasing, I normally think it is best to speak openly about the concerns you have about children's things/interests with the child but ultimately allow, encourage and respect their autonomy. Fizzy drinks is completely separate. I won't purchase them for mine but have never censored Disney - even the princesses which are the worst thing, I think it is about expanding their horizons, thinking about real princesses, real relationships and real women etc and that helps protect them. <Fun ruiner> grin

Small children obviously always choose to have the thing they want but I do think, and this probably makes me sound evil to a lot of people, learning that sometimes the things you really want aren't good for you or others and to assess this yourself through education and freedom to express yourself is really valuable for LOADS of reasons! Mine have to learn the reasons why I think something is bad for them if they want to have it.

Offred Mon 12-Nov-12 14:45:54

Disney princesses are an initiation into sex and rape culture for young girls... Might say that at the PTA of my catholic school... grin

CharlotteBronteSaurus Mon 12-Nov-12 14:50:52

what banana said

we grudgingly indulged dd1's disney princess phase, without comment, and now she has reached the grand old age of 5 and a half, that phase has been over for at least 6 months. ditto getting her some children's nail polish to play with - she went on about that for months before I caved in, and it turned out to be a five minute wonder.

we've moved on to pirates now. oh, and Jesus hmm.

gettingeasier Mon 12-Nov-12 15:03:00

I dont like Disney much but I couldnt get sufficiently worked up to ban it or consider it evil

WelshMaenad Mon 12-Nov-12 15:03:04

For fucks sake. It's a toy. Unclench!

She wants it, it will make her happy, she can share in minnieness with her little friend. These things are important when you're three.

I don't really like the Disney princess thing, but dd does, I have indulged it and she is already outgrowing it in favour of Power Rangers. Comparing nutrition with CHRISTMAS GIFTS is bloody ridiculous by the way. What are you going to do, buy her a copy of The Female Eunuch instead, because its better?

HoneyDragon Mon 12-Nov-12 15:04:27

<<nowt like Disney to guarantee a bunfight on a Mnday grin>>

VolumeOfACone Mon 12-Nov-12 15:06:57

It won't represent anything to your daughter (not brashness, not tackiness) other than a way to play with her friend so not getting it for her I think, would be a tad mean.

musicmadness Mon 12-Nov-12 15:10:25

I'm probably not the person you want to hear from - as I like Disney and still remember the holiday where I went to Disney world when I was little as the best family holiday of my life, but I would just buy her the Minnie.

It will make her happy, if it is all she is asking for you risk her being very disappointed on Christmas if you don't (though that depends on how easily distracted she is I guess) and it is just a toy mouse at the end of the day. It's not going to hurt anyone and if you ban it I can pretty much guarantee she is going to think Disney is some amazing thing and it will take her a lot longer to get over the Disney phase. If you buy it she will probably get bored after a few months and you can safely donate it to charity.

All Disney? All of it?

I get the hate for Disney Princess tat but what about Wall-E and Eve? Brave? Jesse n Toy story? Not all Disney stuff is terrible.

Not heard of all this conspiracy stuff about deaths being covered up ? but if you get a big worldwide corporation there is going to be some evil going on isn't there it's the nature of the beast.

OP if you buy your DD a small minnie mouse it will be her number one toy for a short while then she will move onto something else. If you don't get her it she will just become even more desperate for one.

BarredfromhavingStella Mon 12-Nov-12 15:13:23

It's a toy mouse hmm She will love it so YABVU-how would you like it if someone refused your gift wish because they didn't like it???

gettingeasier Mon 12-Nov-12 15:14:27

Toy Story - Pixar

gettingeasier Mon 12-Nov-12 15:15:37

Thinking about this some more YABU get her the toy smile

I thought Pixar was part of Disney? Am I wrong?? It is possible! grin

Fillybuster Mon 12-Nov-12 15:24:04

I'm not sure. I massively sympathise with your position Pictish and in theory, I should apply the same stance at home.

But - and here's the rub - my dm did this to me....I never had anything My Little Pony, Hello Kitty, Disney etc, and we didn't watch any television so she used the same excuse ("you don't know what its about anyway").

But that's simply not the point. My friends at nursery (and later, school) would all be talking about something, or showing my their insert branded toy here and I never got to join in.

Resentful? Moi? Damn right grin

Needless to say my dds have got all this stuff coming out their ears in moderation, because even though, as an adult, I totally get why Disney isn't the all-encompassing-deliverer-from-evil some might claim, I also remember what it felt like to be 3/4/5/6/7/8 and never get to join in.

So whilst YANBU, that doesn't mean you're right smile smile

KellyElly Mon 12-Nov-12 15:28:22

yes kelly, Disney is "bad" for a 3 year old, it portrays women in a really shite way! for one haven't you noticed that all disney mothers are either dead, evil, absent, weak or insignificant? Whereas fathers are heros or the one whose approval is of vital importance? When i watched them when I was a child then no I did not notice this I just enjoyed the films and toys and the dressing up as a child does. I also liked climbing trees, playing with action men and science. I have not grown up to be subservient to men, quite the opposite. I feel you are over thinking things here a tad.

DreamingOfTheMaldives Mon 12-Nov-12 15:34:18

Can anyone explain what is the reason for hating Disney so much. I've only recently become aware that some people have such strong negative feelings towards Disney and am genuinely interested as to why? I'm quite neutral on Disney; in fact, not having any children I've never really given it much thought. Just curious what Mickey and his mates and his mates have done to provoke such a reaction? confused

DreamingOfTheMaldives Mon 12-Nov-12 15:40:24

"yes kelly, Disney is "bad" for a 3 year old, it portrays women in a really shite way! for one haven't you noticed that all disney mothers are either dead, evil, absent, weak or insignificant? Whereas fathers are heros or the one whose approval is of vital importance? When i watched them when I was a child then no I did not notice this I just enjoyed the films and toys and the dressing up as a child does. I also liked climbing trees, playing with action men and science. I have not grown up to be subservient to men, quite the opposite. I feel you are over thinking things here a tad."

Over thinking things?! Just slightly!

MichelleObarmy Mon 12-Nov-12 15:42:16

I cant really see what is so evil about a Minnie plush toy. Wait until she is sneaking out of the house at fourteen wearing red lipstick to go and meet her hairy rocker boyfriend. grin

your child, though - your choice what you buy her for Xmas.

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 15:43:59

Kelly there was more balance in the past, chemistry kits for example were in the "childrens age X-Y" isle for example, now they are in the "boys age X-Y" isle, and Disney has been at the fore front of dividing EVERYTHING into for boys or for girls, rather than for kids!

Strawhatpirate Mon 12-Nov-12 15:45:51

Get her a gruffalo instead grin

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 15:48:01

just because children don't realise it, doesn't mean they aren't picking up on the messages

The more something is reinforced the more likely you are to belive it so its crazy to assume that there is no point in limiting the amt of this crap that kids are bombarded with these days. There is MORE sexist crap now than there was in "my day", it's gone massively backwards

FairiesWearPoppies Mon 12-Nov-12 15:51:17

FFS I love Disney! What's the problem I don't understand people finding hidden meanings in ficking cartoons!

My dd us 5 and I have bought the Minnie plush for Xmas, ds is 24 wks and have bought him the mickey one. It's a bit of fun for crying out loud.

If its what she wants suck it up!

mummytime Mon 12-Nov-12 15:51:36

In most of Children's literature parents are dead, absent or useless. Thats how the stories work, otherwise the bad stuff can't happen. It is also true of fairy tales but also almost all children's books (except some politically correct sh**).
The more recent Disney Princesses tend to be more feisty. Father's if not dead tend to be pretty bumbling and need to be rescued by the youngsters.

However even with your views I would tend to give in, because not getting what you want can make you want it more. Getting it can show you what a boring toy it is. I got a Barbie when I was 6, it was one of the most boring presents ever, and soon was put aside. If I hadn't got it I could have become obsessed.

Also once kids go to school sometimes it can be really important to get the "in" toy, it really helps some kids integrate. As at least they can swap "pokemon cards" or whatever the new craze is. And giving into this will not make your children into conformists. I have two very independent teenagers (14 and 16) but they were both allowed to follow crazes (within budget) and the girl even dress as a Princess for days on end.

WelshMaenad Mon 12-Nov-12 15:52:01

Yes, Pixar is part of Disney.

RuleBritannia Mon 12-Nov-12 15:52:25

I'm so pleased to see so many others with the same views about Disney as I have. It - what's the word meaning fell to bits? - degenerated after Walt Disney died in 1966. The company changed everything. My hate is the way the company took over characters precious to other countries eg as another poster mentioned - Winnie the Pooh. I'm not sure about Peter Pan either which belonged to GOSH until the copyright ran out.

It's the way Americans take over the world. What about that pub that for many years had called its Christmas meal a Family Feast and KFC started legal proceedings again the pub because it wanted Family Feast words to belong to that company? There have been others, too. Most Americans don't even know that Winnie the Pooh and Peter Pan are English British

CheerMum Mon 12-Nov-12 15:53:34

I always said over my dead body would I have a Barbie in my house. Then I changed it to, when dd specifically asks for one, she can have it. Cue mountains of pink shite, Barbie, my little pony, Disney princess et al. It didn't turn her into some weak and wilting little flower, eagerly searching for her prince to come and save her.
Those of you who are getting all het up about it, I think you are seriously overestimating the impact of a few frilly dresses and shite movies. Do you really think that is going to outweigh the example that you are setting for your child, all day, every day?
OP, I'd give in gracefully and take lots of photographs which can be used for your amusement in years to come (I have a lovely photo of dd in a pink fairy outfit with wings and a wand and her face when she see's it is a picture - she's going goth at the mo) grin

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 15:55:56

<dons mickymouse ears > YABU and you know you are grin you need to let it go of your disney hatred and get her something anything minnie mouse , you can get little tiny ones then she would have a minnie she could hide in your pocket and your rage would be in check, going over board with any character rubbish is OTT imo but a little something doesn't hurt ,

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 15:56:15

in her pocket*

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 16:01:23

Pictish take a wee jaunt into the disney shop you could get her little minnie in there and then you could explode with disneyness grin

LaCiccolina Mon 12-Nov-12 16:08:28

What would u like for Christmas?

Well u can't have it. I know u want it. Yes uve been good. But I don't like it. In fact I think ur stupid for wanting it and a brat for demanding it.

Doesn't sound so good as an argument does it?

Might as well tell her Santas dead too...really does it honestly matter what u think?

PrincessSymbian Mon 12-Nov-12 16:14:15

I don't like Disney but would probably go on eBay and buy her a second hand one, which would be allowed to go everywhere with her
and hopefully get lost at the first opportunity

fuzzpig Mon 12-Nov-12 16:17:54

I think you should get her it TBH, if her heart is really set on it (as opposed to a passing fancy from seeing an advert etc). There's no reason why any other presents can't be decent stuff you approve of.

Do you do the whole Santa/FC thing? Might be a bit disappointing if the man in red doesn't bring the one thing she wants.

I hate Disney princess crap, and Minnie Mouse too (we are Disney fans but prefer stuff like fantasia, animal stuff etc), and yes it is very frustrating that they pick up on so much from school (DD wasn't remotely interested in pink'n'girly til she started preschool) - DD loves moshi monsters and hello kitty despite no exposure to either at home for example.

But it's really not the end of the world. <watches DD play trains for the Nth day in a row>

squeakytoy Mon 12-Nov-12 16:20:48

sorry but yes, YABVU. She is a child who wants a toy that is like the one her friends have.. If her little pal had an uzi machine gun or a set of sabatier knives then yes I could understand the reluctance, but its a harmless cuddly mouse with a dress on...

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 16:22:52

"What would u like for Christmas?

Well u can't have it"

no I can't, and my kids can't always have what other people have, that's life! I don't see why the OPs kid has to have WHATEVER she wants just because she wants it and it's christmas

Sirzy Mon 12-Nov-12 16:25:05

It's a teddy, it isn't going to do her any harm.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Mon 12-Nov-12 16:26:40

I dislike Disney, but would see this as a fairly reasonable thing for a three year old to have for Christmas. All the years I've bought what I think they should have rather than what they have actually wanted have been the ones I've regretted. I get it, on the grounds of taste and ethics and everything, but at three I think you should get it and be glad she is into Minnie rather than the worse characters.

I also remember as a child that the things you want 'just' because a friend has, you do really want and are over the moon to get.

She won't always be a sheep, if youre worried about her just copying. And she won't always be three, so just buy her the Minnie, I would!

DreamingOfTheMaldives Mon 12-Nov-12 16:34:49

Quote Stinkinseamonkey
""What would u like for Christmas?

Well u can't have it"

no I can't, and my kids can't always have what other people have, that's life! I don't see why the OPs kid has to have WHATEVER she wants just because she wants it and it's christmas"

The child is 3 for goodness sake Stinkinseamoney, and it's a stuffed mouse! She isn't a teenager DEMANDING to have WHATEVER she wants! Get a grip!

I'm all for censoring your children's things if it isn't appropriate or suitable but simply refusing to let a 3 year old have a stuffed mouse that she really wants, just because you don't like it, is a bit mean.

InNeedOfBrandy Mon 12-Nov-12 16:35:33

I love disney movies...

meh it's a toy that isn't to expensive that your dd has her heart set on... Go ahead and break her heart because you don't like it...

KellyElly Mon 12-Nov-12 16:36:13

Those of you who are getting all het up about it, I think you are seriously overestimating the impact of a few frilly dresses and shite movies. Do you really think that is going to outweigh the example that you are setting for your child, all day, every day? >> THIS!

5madthings Mon 12-Nov-12 16:36:47

Oh no i feel your pain!! I am torn on this as i am not a big fan of disney but ds4 is big buzz lightyear fan and has all the buzz/woody toys and they are disney, ditto cars stuff.

The thing is if she hasnt seen.the prog it is just a cuddly mouse to her.

Can you not find her a new friend who doesnt like minnie mouse..... It is likely to be a passing fad...

My dd has a lovely jellcat cuddly mouse in a very sweet little dress.

What else do they want, can you think if anything else that she covets?

How heartbroken do you think she will be if she doesnt get it?

KellyElly Mon 12-Nov-12 16:41:31

Can you not find her a new friend who doesnt like minnie mouse. this is what I mean by barking. Now she has to change friends over Minnie Mouse ffs.

Children are actually individuals you know. Parents don't own them and get to chose their friends and likes and dislikes!

DreamingOfTheMaldives Mon 12-Nov-12 16:42:06

5madthings, do you honestly think the OP should find her daughter a new friend because she doesn't approve of the friend's taste in cuddly toys?!!! sad

InNeedOfBrandy Mon 12-Nov-12 16:45:46

No you cannot just "find her a new friend" over minnie mouse ffs. This thread is bonkers, YY to everything kelly has said.

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 16:48:05

What would u like for Christmas?

Well u can't have it. I know u want it. Yes uve been good. But I don't like it. In fact I think ur stupid for wanting it and a brat for demanding it.

Doesn't sound so good as an argument does it?

Might as well tell her Santas dead too...really does it honestly matter what u think?

Um ok - I didn't say my daughter was 'stupid' OR 'a brat' did I? And why on earth do you think I may as well tell her Santa is dead??!!

As it happens, I love my daughter, and find her to be a gentle, quiet, unassuming girl - but thanks for your crazy insight anyway LaCiccolina

I also don't think kids should get whatever they want just because they want it. Last time I checked, my daughter wasn't actually earning anything, so I reckon the spending decisions fall to me and her dad....and I for one, don't want to give Disney any more of our cash than is strictly neccessary.

I am listening to all you that reasonably pointed out that it is just a mouse in a dress.
Even if I hate that fucking mouse.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 12-Nov-12 16:48:33

I grew up watching Disney films and playing with Barbies! Shock horror!

As it goes I am not remotely princessy,I don't wear pink,am as happy without makeup on as I am with it on and have a law degree.

I think your little girl will be okay if you let her have a Minnie Mouse toy. Oddly I hated Minnie Mouse as a child.

I don't think Beauty and the Beast has a terrible message. Belle is clever,independent,refused to be cowed into marrying the town looker wanker and falls in love with someone absolutely not good looking.

Though I suppose you could argue that was Disney encouraging beastiality if you really wanted to. Along with "priming little girls for rape cultur" WTAF?

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 16:50:10

I am listening to all you that reasonably pointed out that it is just a mouse in a dress.
Even if I hate that fucking mouse.

let it go it is just a mouse grin

5madthings Mon 12-Nov-12 16:51:06

It was a joke!!! I know pictish and she will know that i am joking!!! Jeez get a grip.

I am guessing that thinking of the look on het little dd's face if she doesnt get ths.mouse will be enough for her to.buy it for her, that little pouty face and sad eyes... She is such a cutie pictish wont be able to disappoint her!

It will be a fad, or alternatively it will become her ultimate toy that she kerps in her bed even in her teenage years! grin

5madthings Mon 12-Nov-12 16:53:02

pictish they have a cuddly minnie mouse in toys r us, looks like the disney one but pretty sure its cheaper.

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 16:54:06

alternatively it will become her ultimate toy that she kerps in her bed even in her teenage years!

Like dd2 10 yr old and a bit tattered lilo from lilo and snitch grin

My 19 yr old is a sensible mature young woman but goes a bit giddy and mushy when the lion king is mentioned and apparently dd who is a bit of an ice queen started sobbing when she saw the musical

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 16:54:25

Yes tis ok 5mad I know you were kidding! wink

And I'm a hypocrite too, because we do have Jessie from Toy Story and she is very very loved, and ds2 is desperate for Woody for his birthday (which I will buy for him) - but I'm lalalalalaing over them because I don't mind Toy Story so much...it's one of the better offerings from Disney.

But

I really do hate those fucking mice!!!

LynetteScavo Mon 12-Nov-12 16:54:43

So there are people out there who, like me don't like Disney?

I thought it was just me!

(And I used to really, really like Disney when I was about 20. --I even had a pair of mickey mouse leggings--) But funnily enough I'm over it know.

OP, YANBU, but if you are anything like my you will have Disney Guilt if you don't buy it. confused

McChristmasPants2012 Mon 12-Nov-12 16:56:14

Children don't think the same as adults, i don't think a few disney things are going to harm a young child's mind.

quite liked brave, as Princess Merida defies a custom that brings chaos to her kingdom and follows her own path smile

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 16:56:48

How would you all feel if your dc wanted a great big fuck off Barney the dinosaur eh?? Eh??? grin

5madthings Mon 12-Nov-12 16:58:05

Same as me dont like disney but can cope with buzx etc but i wouldnt want to.buy a fucking minnie mouse either.

What about letting her go to.build a bear and choose a cuddly and clothes? Do.they do a cuddly mouse?

You will end up buying minnie tho, you know it as i do, just think.how her face will light up when she opens it smile

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 16:58:06

I really do hate those fucking mice!!!

so it is just the mice then well never ever go to a Disney they are over 6ft a 6ft mouse you would probably punch her grin

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 16:58:59

How would you all feel if your dc wanted a great big fuck off Barney the dinosaur eh?

Bastard Dinasaur 'I love you you love me' fuck off barney <barney rage>

ouryve Mon 12-Nov-12 16:59:52

YANBU, but your DD may not agree with me.

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 17:00:17

Just to add - I did NOT buy Jessie - it was fil. I'm only buying ds2 a Woody because dd has the Jessie, and I know he is desperate and they will play with them endlessly. Ds2 did get a Buzz, but he broke pretty quickly and is no use for carrying around, being so big and hard and bulky. Jessie and Woody are ragdolls and far more playable with.

I'd rather fil had not bought Jessie, but he did and that's that. I certainly wouldn't be so arsey about it as to moan about a gift!

SoleSource Mon 12-Nov-12 17:01:25

Another anti-American thread.

Racist much?

LynetteScavo Mon 12-Nov-12 17:01:35

DS2 had a massive fuck off Clifford. He took it everywhere. I was too knackered to fight him over it. Oh how they must have loved me on the first day of nursery. hmm

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 17:02:06

"quite liked brave, as Princess Merida defies a custom that brings chaos to her kingdom and follows her own path"

and the matching merchandise is all about her looking her best hmm http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151217139248245&set=o.103316736378379&type=3&theater

HoneyDragon Mon 12-Nov-12 17:03:48

eh? How are the people who don't like disney racist? confused

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 17:04:25

OP your child is 3, she'll like whatever shiney new thing father christmas brings her! she will still have a fabulous christmas if you don't buy the mouse, you won't be ruining christmas or stabbing santa in the eye on front of her by not doing it, THAT sentiment on here is bonkers!

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 12-Nov-12 17:05:20

Americans aren't a race.

stinkinseamonkey Mon 12-Nov-12 17:06:35

sole actually it is the racism within the disney corperation that factors into why so many people hate disney! Their workers call disneyland mouschwitz!

5madthings Mon 12-Nov-12 17:07:23

Racist?! so not liking the ethics of a company and the way they portay females and the steretypes they portray makes yoi racist?!! hmm

My boys have massive big bear? Thats disney, bought by relatives and an elephant that is bigger than dd! Wtf the relatives expect us to do with cuddlies that big i will never know.

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 17:09:12

Another anti-American thread.

Racist much?

eh did i miss something confused

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 17:09:22

Another anti-American thread.

Racist much?

Hahahahaaahahahaahahaaaaaa!!!!! grin grin grin

So...if you don't like Disney, you're a racist??!!

Hahahaaahahaahahaaaaahahahaaa!!! PMSL!!! grin

Heard it all now! This site never fails to amaze and amuse.

Blah. Yabu.

There is not much more innocent than Mickey and Minnie but then I love Disney and grew up loving it. Dd loves it too but if she didn't I would happily indulge her in whatever she decided she liked (age appropriate of course). You are only a child once.

McChristmasPants2012 Mon 12-Nov-12 17:10:48

www.amazon.co.uk/Brave-Merida-Archery-Set/dp/B007Z4QZ5I/ref=sr_1_25?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1352740172&sr=1-25

but this is quite gender neutral, i don't see things as boys and girls toys.....if DS wants fairy wand and a tutu and DD wants fireman sam they can have it

DameMargotFountain Mon 12-Nov-12 17:11:02

if anything i'd say it was cartoonist grin

5madthings Mon 12-Nov-12 17:13:52

Surely its mouse-ist if anything?! grin

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 17:15:04

yes it is mousist grin pictish how do you feel about goofy cos nobody really knows what he is

McChristmasPants2012 Mon 12-Nov-12 17:15:10

This thread isn't racist, If anything i think it is a Feminist kind of thread

I don't particularly feel one way or the other about Disney - it was only ever a passing phase in this house BUT I am so with pictish on this - I have a highly unreasonable loathing for Mickey/Minnie mouse! No idea why really but there's never been one here and never would have been!

<<<irrational>>> grin

hackmum Mon 12-Nov-12 17:16:44

I can't stand Disney either. However, I usually gave in on this kind of thing because I don't think it's particularly harmful, and I also agree with mummytime about the attractiveness of forbidden fruit. In 20 years' time, your dd will still gripe about the fact that you never allowed her a Minnie Mouse. On the other hand, if you give in to her, she will probably grow out of it quite quickly.

There are so many ghastly things that your DD will find desirable, it's probably worth picking your battles.

CheerMum Mon 12-Nov-12 17:16:49

Barney the fucking dinosaur

We had to spend FUCKING YEARS singing that CUNTY song at bedtime!

YEARS!!!!!!!

EVERY GOD-DAMN NIGHT!!!!!!

.......and breathe......

DameMargotFountain Mon 12-Nov-12 17:17:26

whatever it is, i have no love for the squeaky-voiced vermin

<sets mickey mouse traps in thread>

OneHandWavingFree Mon 12-Nov-12 17:17:36

YANBU to hate Disney (I do, too).

YANBU to make whatever decisions you see fit about what you spend your money on and what your daughter gets for Christmas.

YABVVU to say that the "tasteless, brash and tacky" things about Disney are due to "the American-ness of it all."

That is obviously what SoleSource is referring to, and she's right. It's offensive and you probably wouldn't be so comfortable saying it about any other nationality.

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 17:17:53

Barney the fucking dinosaur

We had to spend FUCKING YEARS singing that CUNTY song at bedtime!

'there there' it is ok ((hug))

SoleSource Mon 12-Nov-12 17:01:25

Another anti-American thread.

Racist much?

SoleSource - sometimes the crap you post stops me dead in my tracks. This is one such occasion. Get yourself educated before you spout off (and you're no innocent in the 'racist' stakes yourself!) - "American" is NOT a race. Ok?

OneHandWavingFree Mon 12-Nov-12 17:22:04

As I said above I'm a Disney hater. I'm not a big fan of Hello Kitty, either. If I gave all the reasons why I don't like Kitty much and summed it up as "The Japanese-ness of it all", would that be okay?

I'm guessing it would not.

CheerMum Mon 12-Nov-12 17:22:18

YEARS!!!!!!!

(allows self to be shuffled off into a quiet room by Mrsjay)

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 17:22:33

Sorry - am I not allowed to find American shite brash and tacky?

Guess what? I hate McDonalds playsets too. And the Coca Cola Christmas advert. Cos I'm a big old racist.

pigletpower Mon 12-Nov-12 17:23:19

I am not or never have been a lentil weaver,but all of my kids have never had any Disney toys or Winnie the fucking Pooh.They are reasonably well adjusted.OP do not get sucked into corporate shite.

LynetteScavo Mon 12-Nov-12 17:24:26

Disney = American?

What year are we in?

And if you want to talk racism, go and look at the crows in Dumbo.

sittinginthesun Mon 12-Nov-12 17:26:09

Haven't read the while thread, but my children have always known that "we don't Do Disney" in this house. We also don't do MacDonalds, or Fruit Shoots. It has been drummed in from babyhood.

DS2(age 6) recently went to MacDonalds with a friend's family, and we explained that he is now big enough to decide on this, but there was no way I would take him and spend a penny of my money there.

Both boys think it's fair enough. No doubt they will have their own moral code when they are older, but they have to accept mine. grin

I would carefully explain to your dc that you don't like Disney because ......, and suggest other, far better toys for Christmas.

If they are still adamant, then Father Christmas does have certain power to over rule mummy (see Nintendo Wii in this house last yearhmm), but at least you've made your position clear.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 12-Nov-12 17:26:30

But Disney is tacky,brash and American. I really don't see what the problem is with that statement.

It's not "hurtful" it's a fact.

British people don't cry racism when Americans refers to us as "uptight with bad teeth". Not least because most of us understand what the definition of race and therefore racism is.

OneHandWavingFree Mon 12-Nov-12 17:26:41

It's shite because it's shite, OP. Not because it's American.

You're allowed to say whatever you like, and others are allowed to point out that it was a bit of a shitty thing to say.

OneHandWavingFree Mon 12-Nov-12 17:31:45

Nobody is saying that it's anti-American to hate Disney.

I am certainly not saying that. I hate Disney too, which is why I clicked on the thread.

Pictish is the one who equated the brash tackiness of Disney with "American-ness", so if you're wondering where the "Disney=American" idea came from, re-read the OP.

Oldandindie Mon 12-Nov-12 17:33:54

Ye gods I've now heard it all !
Maybe best not get her a puppy or kitten as I'm pretty sure you could argue about the influence of Tom and Jerry cartoons have on lo.....
It's PRETEND play with a stuffed bloody toy.....
If you ban something from your child's life that other peers have , for example pink, sweets, princess dress up , it makes a child covert that item instead of naturally growing put of it ...
I wish for a day in my life where all I worried about was the effect a stuffed mouse had on my child hmm

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 17:36:55

I'm not worried about the effect it will have on her.
I just dislike it. Your Barney the dinosaur (or equivalent) is my Minnie Mouse.

poozlepants Mon 12-Nov-12 17:38:49

So do all of you who hate Disney hate Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc, Tangled, Brave etc?
Personally I find Mickey Mouse rincredibly annoying but I love all those films. I agree the Disney Store is the 7th circle of hell but I went in this week to buy a furry Sully for DS's stocking because it will make him so happy.

I'm a Disney hater too. And I vowed it would never darken my doorstep etc etc. But I'm not the one whose little cup of joy overflows at a Rapunzel dress or a Cinderella nightdress. My 4yo is. Between myself, family and the school, I'm sure we can provide enough of an influence to counteract the wanting to marry a prince and look pretty stuff but for now, it's the thing she loves most in the world.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 12-Nov-12 17:42:50

I rather like Disney and Americans as it goes. I am quite excited about having children so I can buy all the films on DVD <runs away from thread>

DinosaursOnASpaceship Mon 12-Nov-12 17:42:57

You hate the Christmas Coke advert? shock

holidays are coming, holidays are coming

ppeatfruit Mon 12-Nov-12 17:50:35

Agree with the op who said YOU DON"T OWN YR. CHILD get the thing 2nd hand if it makes you feel better pict (but yr child's feelings are more important in this case) yr DD is 3 YEARS OLD.

PoppyWearer Mon 12-Nov-12 17:51:12

I am also a Disney-disliker. I never (and still don't) understand why people think it's better for their DCs to watch Disney Junior than CBeebies. Seriously?!?! <glares at PILs and SIL>.

I tried to keep DC1 out of the influence of Disney. I really did. Although a few things crept in like Baby Einstein.

But...earlier in the year a friend came over from the States and brought half the contents of the Disney Store with her for my DCs. DC1 fell in love with Minnie Mouse. Now we are veterans of Disneyland Paris (it's excellent, I promise you) and DC1 insists of watching fecking Disney Junior whenever we let her (not often).

I like old-school Disney and stuff like Toy Story, but it's the schmaltzy Handy Manny, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, Jake and the Neverland Pirates, etc that I cannot abide. And don't get me started on what they've done to my beloved Art Attack.

So, OP, YANBU. But you may as well accept the inevitable (Minnie is everywhere) and repeat after me..."this is a phase, this too shall pass".

<hides in kitchen with DC2 watching CBeebies>

SJisontheway Mon 12-Nov-12 17:53:10

DD has just turned 4 and is going through a pink sparkly princess phase for the last year, encouraged by her friend in school. I resisted for a long time, until I discussed it with a friend. She is still bitter and holds a grudge against her mother for not allowing her to indulge her inner princess. It made me reconsider and now I allow some of the princess shite in moderation.It makes my DD very happy and I'm sure the phase will pass.
I think you should buy the mouse.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Mon 12-Nov-12 17:53:21

I dislike it too.... But it's a toy for her, not you, right?

HongKongPooey Mon 12-Nov-12 17:54:23

YANBU. You are lucky that your DH shares your utter hatred dislike! We've been infiltated thanks to MIL, who got us horrendous Disneyfied Pooh for DD when she was born. DH thought he was sweet shock. Hormonal me wailed and ranted for days while Pooh sat in his gift box facing the wall. Although he's now allowed to sit with the other toys <felt sorry for him, gritted teeth> I still can't forgive Disney for what they did to poor old AA Milne's version.

This thread is proving very theraputic! Thankyou OP.

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 17:54:32

Since when are Americans a seperate race to us anyway - in further response to the 'racist' claims.

haggisaggis Mon 12-Nov-12 17:56:25

I'm not so bothered about Minnie (or Mickey) Mouse - the Disney stuff for older kids is so much worse! However to all those saying she'll have a lovely Christmas no matter what you get her...ds aged 2 - unknown to me his nursery had got them all to make a list for Santa using cut outs from a catalogue. He brought this home on CHRISTMAS EVE and stuck it to the fridge. In pride of place was a picture of a digger... Christmas morning came and no digger (as he had given us no clue up till we saw the blinkin' list that he wanted one). He spend most of Christmas Day going back and forward to teh list saying Santa hadn't got him his digger...(he's 12 now - he got over it!)

bellabreeze Mon 12-Nov-12 18:05:43

So the people saying 'yabu' would you think that if a child chose a nestle chocolate bar and you didn't agree with giving money to nestle so just bought the kid a different one is that wrong aswell? It really is the same thing.. (just using nestle as an example)

HoneyDragon Mon 12-Nov-12 18:23:42

I based my response on the op. Who stated it was just dislike of Disney, rather than a moral or ethical objection.

If someone is actively boycotting a product from their household for those reasons that is different

pictish Mon 12-Nov-12 18:27:13

It is quite a moral stance as well. I'm just too slack to follow it through with any real passion about it.
In my own lazy way, I rather disapprove of Disney.

MamaMumra Mon 12-Nov-12 18:34:40

Wasn't Walt Disney allegedly a racist?

pigletmania Mon 12-Nov-12 18:37:19

Yabvu it's not about you and what you like. I don't like Peppa pig but dd loves it, I m not going to inflict my tastes on her, she is her own individual who has her own likes and dislikes. Suck it up and buy her a Minnie Mouse for Christmas f that what she wants

HoneyDragon Mon 12-Nov-12 18:46:01

Walt Disney may have been a racist. But liking or not like Disney does not make up pro/anti American.

pigletmania Mon 12-Nov-12 18:47:11

If you don't like Disney, get a secondhand on from e bay so no money is going to Disney

pigletmania Mon 12-Nov-12 18:51:12

Some eople on here are indeed barking!

mummymeister Mon 12-Nov-12 18:54:28

there are loads of toys that divide parents - barbie, pokemon, guns, anything with a keypad etc but you have to decide whether this is a phase of a nag thing and be prepared that if Father Christmas does not come up with the minnie mouse then you will have one v sulky 3 year old on your hands on christmas day. personally i pick my battles and not letting them have a toy (that they will soon grow out of) that i disapprove of isnt one them. food fads, temper tantrums, mobile phones at 6, facebook at 10 these are the real issues for me not disney.

discrete Mon 12-Nov-12 18:57:11

Not having read the whole thread....

YAdefinitelyNBU at all.

Disney is evil. Must be kept away from the wee ones.

End of story.

DameMargotFountain Mon 12-Nov-12 19:01:32

woof!

<cocks leg up thread wall and pisses>

FeckOffCup Mon 12-Nov-12 19:03:06

YABU it's just a toy and a pretty innocuous one at that, a stuffed mouse with a dress on, get it for her so she can play minnies with her little friend, you are overthinking this. I would respect your point more if you cared enough to totally boycott disney but you admit to having other disney toys in the house so I don't know why you can't just get your DD the one she has asked for.

CheerMum Mon 12-Nov-12 19:05:12

But no barney toys...oh no....the devil's spawn he is

AlienRefluxovermypoppy Mon 12-Nov-12 19:06:15

Good idea pigletmania if it offends you to give money to them.

Unless it was something I reeeeeaaallly disapproved of, I would just get it.

CrunchyFrog Mon 12-Nov-12 19:37:27

I compromised on this with mine. I buy their Disney tat second hand from Ebay. grin

LaLaGabby Mon 12-Nov-12 19:40:41

You're absolutely spot on, Christmas presents for your children aren't about what they want, they're about what you want. Go you.

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 19:48:16

could you get a mouse and put a dress on it <helpful>

Mrsjay Mon 12-Nov-12 19:48:31

not a real mouse obviously grin

Nishky Mon 12-Nov-12 20:16:11

Would it help if I bought it so you are not giving Disney the money?

I soo remember the birthday when I craved a Sindy doll and asked for it. I got a fucking Basil Brush pyjama case.

I will buy it.

Idocrazythings Mon 12-Nov-12 20:19:48

I thought Walt Disney was a Freemason…

FarelyKnuts Mon 12-Nov-12 20:49:21

I feel the same way about barbie. She has not and will not darken my doorstep. grin

AutumnGlory Mon 12-Nov-12 20:57:20

When I was a child I wasn't allowed Barbie, Disney toys or DVDs and a lot of other things that my mother didn't like. It made me unhappy and bitter that I couldn't have them. If she told me she didn't hav emoney to buy it I would probably be able to understand but she was very happy in saying I couldn't have it because SHE didn't like it. Not fair at all. If I was in your shoes I would make an effort to see anything positive in it and focus on the positive side. When your children are older you will have plenty of choices to explain your values to your children and I'm sure they will pick it up.....btw I wasn't allowed cars either because it is boy's toys...

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 13-Nov-12 00:09:57

You know what I dislike about Minnie? She used to have a red dress with white spots, same for the bow. Now it's all pink. sad

I haven't seen Mickey or Minnie in anything that wasn't 30 years old or more, so I don't get the hatred. However, am also American and probably more forgiving toward the brash tacky tastelessness. smile

pigletmania Tue 13-Nov-12 00:50:13

Exactly autum, see it from the child's pov it's not all about you and what the parent likes. Comparing it with giving th kid crap like sweets and chocolate is different, a Minnie mouse s not going to affect their health.

pigletmania Tue 13-Nov-12 00:51:06

The child will not get the politics and morality of it all, why should they th op child is only 3!

MollyMurphy Tue 13-Nov-12 02:43:10

You should reconsider about never going to Disneyland.....it really is a tremendous amount of family fun. Have such lovely memories of going as a child (and as an adult consequently).

OldMumsy Tue 13-Nov-12 06:19:40

AutumnGlory we decided with our DDs that we would let them have these sorts of things even if it put our teeth on edge. I felt and still feel that it's unfair to impose every last bit of power you can on a small child. We kept that stuff for the important stuff like safety, health and education. The rest was fun and cuddles. They are only children for a short time.

littlewhitebag Tue 13-Nov-12 06:32:08

Hahaha you guys are funny. My DD are 15 and 20. They grew up on Disney films, been to Disneyland (Florida, Paris and LA), had the toys. They still love all things Disney. They are both intelligent, independent, strong minded young ladies. I don't think their love of Disney has had any lasting negative effect on them at all.
Let your DD have a Minnie Mouse toy. It won't corrupt her in any way.

pigletmania Tue 13-Nov-12 07:36:28

Here's me sitting in my Micky mouse thermals, they are from Asda if that's ok wink

OldMumsy Tue 13-Nov-12 07:41:34

piglet I am jealous grin

Byecklove Tue 13-Nov-12 08:18:28

YANBU - we were having a disney conversation yesterday. DD has been given two big Minnies in the space of a month. My brother never got over watching Bambi and I have been permanently damaged by Dumbo. No joke. Seriously, "Mother, mother where are you?" Oh, shot by a hunter. What?! Locked in a cage so I can't reach you, baby Dumbo...lovely family viewing. My kids will not be watching that, give you a clue.

AutumnGlory Tue 13-Nov-12 08:19:30

I think the princesses are a good role model, they are kind, honest and good natured. I particularly like Belle and Jasmine, I haven't watch Mulan, Ariel, so cannot comment. Merida is a bit abrupt but rightly so. I wasn't allowed to have Princesses stuff and still drew of finding a Prince lol, I'm 35.

Mrsjay Tue 13-Nov-12 09:17:24

They still love all things Disney. They are both intelligent, independent, strong minded young ladies. I don't think their love of Disney has had any lasting negative effect on them at all.

Mine are 14 and 19 and love all things disney and really they are not at all affected or meek and mild because they watched a disney princess film although disney princess was more my 14 yr old thing,

Pooka Tue 13-Nov-12 09:30:41

I loathe Disney. Dd went through a phase from 3-5 of liking Disney princess shite.

We didn't buy her it. But had no problem with others doing it. So she got her fix via friends and parents in law and dh's whole side of the family. But I didn't have to go into the sodding shop or use our money. And I felt that was a reasonable compromise. She got the things she loved.

In your case op, I think I would get her the Minnie mouse from father Christmas. Or use it as a suggestion to family. It's not from you (well obv is if from FC, but at three she won't know that).

AutumnGlory Tue 13-Nov-12 09:36:48

Well Mrs Jumbo was locked away and couldn't be with baby Dumbo, so I tell to DD:aren't you lucky you have your mummy with you right now? Same goes for Bambi. Children need some doses of reality in their life too I think. As for the Princesses as far as they show the Princes treat then very well indeed, I think is good for the girls to dream of being treated like that......

Mylittlepuds Tue 13-Nov-12 09:43:03

YABU. It's a toy. She'll be overjoyed. That should be enough to put aside your very adult thoughts and opinions about Disney. You've massively over thought this.

Personal taste aside I would buy it so that it doesn't become a 'thing'. Is there not a risk the more you make a stand the bigger deal it becomes? I reckon we all have something we weren't allowed as kids. (think there was even a thread about it a couple of weeks ago).
You don't want her to be 15 and still going on about bloody minnie mouse do you? (yes, i was exactly that persistent about the slush puppy maker i didn't get).

I see where you are coming from though, i held out against the hello kitty babygrow (a gift) until every other item was either wet from the wash or poo covered. Still amazes me that it remains the only item of clothing she has never managed to get poo on. Evil forces are clearly at work....

ethelb Tue 13-Nov-12 09:58:09

yabu for talking about a plush toy. what ever happened to soft toys?

ethelb Tue 13-Nov-12 10:00:33

Plus, in my family we still laugh about the year my mother refused to buy my little sister a Shaving Fun Ken doll, and my sister made everyone swear they would not tell mum that she had written to Father Christmas to ask for one.

fuzzpig Tue 13-Nov-12 10:24:27

Autumn I was another one not allowed boy's toys. I do think it's easy to get the impression as a child that what you really like is somehow wrong, even if your parents don't explicitly say it.

lljkk Tue 13-Nov-12 10:35:14

Americans are not a race, culturalist if you must.
I am American & I don't care for Disney, either.

but may I humbly submit that there is such a thing as British tacky shite, too? Saucy seaside postcards with stupid messages, Fake orange Tan, Onesies, Pebbles & twigs carefully adorned in the hallway, Mr. Blobby, Page 3 in the tabloids, The whole of the tabloid press, actually. The Evening Standard, Chav culture and Chav bashing.

yabu, it's just a toy.

Mrsjay Tue 13-Nov-12 10:35:29

MY dad told me that I would 'turn' my then 3 yr old dd because she got cars and a garage for her 3rd christmas, I am not sure what she would turn into a boy a lesbian what dad what ! angry was 16 yrs ago not that i am still bitter about it or anything

KellyElly Tue 13-Nov-12 10:45:50

*I'm not worried about the effect it will have on her.
I just dislike it.* That's even worse! So your kids are only aloud to have things that you like. Are you going to allow them independent thought or will they have to be your mini me?!

Jins Tue 13-Nov-12 10:55:02

I'm no fan of Disney and we were given practically the full range when the boys were born. I got rid of some of them but kept a few, whuch weren't really favourite toys.

Turns out though that they were just the thing for the dog. Found them very ...um... attractive and spent most of his day 'playing wheelbarrow' with them on the lawn.

Gave me the best excuse ever to get rid. I'll never be able to see Donald Duck in the same light again

AutumnGlory Tue 13-Nov-12 11:47:10

I wanted to pla with cars badly and I wanted one for Christmas, they have me a mini vacuum cleaner. I than insisted in pulling it pretending I was pulling a car ....

pictish Tue 13-Nov-12 12:51:39

Just to clarify - I have no problem with her having 'boy toys' or anything else. Disney is the only thing I really have a problem with, although I don't buy into tv/film merchandising as a general rule.

All of those here who are getting the 'tude over me not buying something for my dd because I don't like it....well, it's my money and therefore ultimately my choice. I'm sure none of you who are so disparaging about it, buy everything your kids want either. There will be plenty of things you lot wouldn't part with money for, even though your kids want you to...so you can do one with the whole you-should-buy-your-dd-whatever-she-wants routine.
Some of you will dislike Bratz dolls for example...and some of you Barbie. I happen to dislike Disney.

As it goes...I will probably buy her the horrid Minnie Mouse, but not because she gets to choose how my money is spent. She doesn't.

AutumnGlory Tue 13-Nov-12 12:56:16

So why did you ask?

pictish Tue 13-Nov-12 13:01:56

I didn't expect for some posters to tell me that I should buy my daughter whatever she wants, just because she says so.

I don't mind being told I'm unreasonable...not at all...but I DO balk at the our-children-are-in-charge-not-us type of posts.

I am allowed to dislike certain toys and not want to pay for them. You all have your dislikes too.
I am also open to being persuaded otherwise...but I won't be persuaded that my opinion doesn't matter a fuck. My money - my choice.

And you will notice I addressed the thread to fellow Disney haters.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Tue 13-Nov-12 13:19:14

yeah, but it was posted in AIBU, to be fair!

I am coming at this really from the perspective of one who has several times balked at buying the thing my children really wanted at Christmas, because something else seemed to me better value, or nicer, or more fitting - and I honestly wish in retrospect that, at least just at Christmas, I'd actually got them the thing they wanted. not talking about xboxes, just 'I'm sure she'd really much rather have a lovely wooden mini tool bench and it will look nicer in the front room' rather than a Barbie house.... things which were actually harmless, but I didn't really want to buy.

And now, in the future, I wonder why I didn't just make the most of the chances I had to make them happy in small, innocent, not especially offensive ways!

Jins Tue 13-Nov-12 13:24:57

The best thing I ever did was succumb to buying the most desired present last minute on Christmas Eve. I forget what it was now, possibly roboraptor, but something along those lines.

We overheard DS1 saying to DS2 on Christmas Day that Father Christmas must exist as there's no way mum would get that!

TheReturnOfBridezilla Tue 13-Nov-12 13:26:51

I'm glad you're thinking about getting it for her. She will quite evidently love it and I hope that dissipates your annoyance somewhat.

It's Hotwheels here. Absolute, badly-made, always-falling-apart rubbish. But I do give in occasionally. Smiles on faces and all that. grin

AutumnGlory Tue 13-Nov-12 13:40:04

Well OP I'm sorry if no disney - haters came on the thread, if I knew we were just suppose to bash Disney I wouldn't have participated. As an adult I'm indifferent to Disney but I indulged my dd when she had her phase because I know how it feels like not to be allowed to have what you would like as a child and also feel that you are wrong for liking certain things. I didn't want to imply you don't allow your dd play with boy's toys either, I just shared my experience trying to show that for a child it doesn't matter if it is Minnie mouse, Cinderella or a car...it is a toy they want to play with. I get your comment about your money, your choice and I'm poor, that is why I'm always on the look out for free stuff on frEecycle, cheap stuff on ebay or charity shops and second hand stuff for friends. I do have to save and sometime join efforts with other members of the family too. As long as I can provide a normal happy childhood for dd and I know it is not about material things. My parents had money but for some weird reason I wasn't allowed much but this is another thread. Anyway as I said before when your children are older you will have plenty of opportunity to teach them about your values and ethics. My dd is on a nail varnish/high heels/make up face, I certainly don't encourage but I see no harm in letting her play at home. She has a tap dance shoes with small heels she wet home for 5 minutes max every day and she takes them off herself. Than asks me why I don't wear heels,make up, nail varnish more often and I explain. This works for me.

I hate disney - but you are overthinking this. Being bloody minded about things that really matter is one thing but a minnie plush toy is not in that league... in my opinion.

I would never go to Disneyland/world/euro- whatever ugh, but we have several disney toys, I have sat through 'Brave' this morning with dd2 - a Disney/Pixar film. When Disney make a new Star Wars film I will take the dc to see it and may well buy some of the merchandising.[shrug]

I watched Disney films when I was a child, some are pretty good. I don't like the company image, but I am confident enough in my children, that I am sure they will not become Disney drones, through consuming some of the Disney output.

I still recall with a slight shudder the Christmas two years ago, that DH and I refer to as 'JoJo Bunny-gate'. DD1 (then aged 4) really, really, wanted a toy called JoJo Bunny that you could play hide and seek with, it was £30 and looked cheap and nasty, all the reviews were of the 'do not buy this toy it is rubbish!' variety. I opted not to buy it but got other carefully chosen and very nice gifts. DD when opening her presents said "is this Jo Jo Bunny?" before she opened each one and became increasingly dejected when the toy did not emerge. It was awful. I do try and get the one toy she sets her heart on (within reason, affordibility and sense) now.

sittinginthesun Tue 13-Nov-12 13:51:56

My money - my choice.

Yes, but it depends on whether you believe in Father Christmas.

As I said upthread, I can't stand the whole Disney thing, and would never willingly buy a Disney product. BUT, if my child asked specifically for a Disney toy for Christmas, FROM FATHER CHRISTMAS, and couldn't be persuaded otherwise, then I would go along with it. It is really the one time in their year that they get to override me. Otherwise, what's the point in the magic thing.

AutumnGlory Tue 13-Nov-12 13:53:04

I hate mumsnetiing on the phone but just to add that I utterly dislike the whole 'It is Christmas I want that toy' if I had my way, any kind of presents would be banned on Christmas and I don't get Father Christmas either. I don't encourage Father Christmas and I will be telling my dd that she got her Leap Pad 2 from me and daddy and we work very hard to get it for her. She is into the whole Christmas thing because of my husband and his family, I don't agree but don't spoil either. For me Christmas should be about family getting together and recharging for the following year. I don't understand what presents got to do with it.

pigletmania Tue 13-Nov-12 13:56:00

Why post in AIBU when you don't think you are hmm. I am sure when your dais old enough she might save up to buyDisney things herself.

pigletmania Tue 13-Nov-12 13:58:22

Exactly suttingsun. What if somebody bought your dd mini mouse for christmas would you take it away from her with th look of shock, and dispose of it quickly

KellyEllyChristmasBelly Tue 13-Nov-12 14:02:27

And you will notice I addressed the thread to fellow Disney haters. ahhh now I see, so you wanted everyone who shared your views to come on an agree with you.

lljkk Tue 13-Nov-12 14:44:36

<<Guffaw>> you don't get to choose who posts on your threads on MN.

fuzzpig Tue 13-Nov-12 14:44:46

I don't agree with getting everything a child wants either, definitely not. Can't afford it for a start! DD says "wow I'd like that toy" and that sort of thing fairly often, if she sees an advert, or something in a shop. But I do think that's very different when you've seen her get really attached to one specific thing and you know she will get a lot of happiness and play from it.

We've had that once - with a Snow White dress. DD apparently dressed up in this pretty much every day at nursery and was totally desperate for one. I put together a dressing up box with lots of lovely wholesome accessories and clothes, and really didn't want to do the whole Snow White thing, ugh princessy crap, but her face lit up as I knew it would. She wore it a lot and got so much happiness from it. Bizarrely she was usually wearing it while playing cars, trains, marble run etc, she never really played princesses with it, even though she has since got the film (50p VHS in a charity shop!).

I do agree with my money my choice as well, but for me it's more relevant if the toy is clearly shitty quality - like if they wanted the John Adams chocolate coin maker grin - because I would know that any enjoyment would be seriously limited by the toy breaking etc. A cuddly toy won't do that (Disney cuddlies are actually pretty good quality, IME).

Just my opinion anyway smile I'm not a Disney hater, I actually love it (sorry) but it's the Disney Princess 'sub-brand' I mostly avoid because it all seems to focus on the fact they are pretty princesses rather than even focusing on their stories. I'm afraid at Xmas DCs will be getting a cuddly Stitch and a cuddly Mike Wozowski grin

yellowsubmarine53 Tue 13-Nov-12 14:53:49

My daughter is 5.5 and I've never bought anything with the Disney, Disney princesses, Peppa Pig etc brands. My one concession is a Hello Kitty toothbrush in her stocking. She loves this and a little goes a long way.

I wouldn't buy her a Minnie Mouse toy but maybe get her a toothbrush or something, or print her some pictures from the internet for her to colour in.

Although if she's going to be heartbroken if she doesn't have it, just buy it and get it over with.

ChestyNutsRoastingAnOpenFire Tue 13-Nov-12 16:23:17

pictish just think of her little happy face Christmas morning grin

<<whispers>>
its only a mouse

Can't believe some of the bonkers comments on thread confused

YouOldSlag Tue 13-Nov-12 16:37:05

YABU.

I am 42 and can still remember the feeling of LONGING, just pure longing, when my friends had better Sindy Dolls/Sindy outfits etc than me.

To your DD, this Minnie Mouse is that longed for doll. Just get it, she'll grow out of it, but she will be delighted that she has the same toy as her friend.

Do you think I enjoy buying Ben 10 shit and football boots? No, but they're not for me are they?

I don't like this attitude that you control what someone gets just because YOU don't like it. It's not actually going to physically harm her. It's not like letting her eat hula Hoops for breakfast or getting her an airgun.

You are overthinking it. Child wants plush toy. Not a big deal.

FeckOffCup Tue 13-Nov-12 16:38:47

I didn't expect for some posters to tell me that I should buy my daughter whatever she wants, just because she says so...And you will notice I addressed the thread to fellow disney haters.

Ah right, so you didn't actually want to hear opinions from both sides then, only ones agreeing with you? Why post in AIBU if you don't want to hear that you may just be being unreasonable?

pictish Tue 13-Nov-12 16:46:16

so you wanted everyone who shared your views to come on an agree with you

Yeah...obviously! grin

Nah - I knew I'd get it tight, and it's ok - I guess I agree with most of you, and she'll get her fucking Minnie.

ChestyNutsRoastingAnOpenFire Tue 13-Nov-12 16:49:21

<<squeak>>

grin

KellyEllyChristmasBelly Tue 13-Nov-12 16:50:07

I guess I agree with most of you, and she'll get her fucking Minnie. You will be glad when you see her little face or think wtf when she plays with the box all day instead grin

Offred Tue 13-Nov-12 16:52:10

Feckoff - I thought that meant she just wanted to hear from people who also felt the same about Disney how they managed pressure from the cult of Disney. It is pretty irrelevant to hear from the people saying "my kids had Disney and loved it and they're fine" well duh you clearly don't object to Disney so why would you object to things your children learned from Disney. It is their choice but fairly irrelevant to Pictish who wanted to know very specifically if other people who hated Disney let their children have Disney stuff if they really wanted it, not a critique of her feelings about Disney.

FeckOffCup Tue 13-Nov-12 16:54:11

I'll bring you a specially huge and tasteless one back from eurodisney next month just in time for christmas if you like grin.

pictish Tue 13-Nov-12 16:54:49

Offred - thank you. I found it difficult to articulate that, and you've just done it for me perfectly.

ppeatfruit Tue 13-Nov-12 16:56:37

HOORRAAY commonsense has prevailed !!!! The power Of MN has struck again!!!

amothersplaceisinthewrong Tue 13-Nov-12 16:57:46

I have always absolutely loathed Disney, and probably passed this loathing onto my children (now grown up) as they never asked for anythign Disney. When we did Florida a few years ago we did not visit any of the Disney Parks....

Oh, and I also hate Pantomime and all things fancy dress for good measure!

FeckOffCup Tue 13-Nov-12 17:01:47

It is their choice but fairly irrelevant to Pictish who wanted to know very specifically if other people who hated Disney let their children have Disney stuff if they really wanted it.

Hmm but doesn't really seem all that relevant here as the OP said her older children already have disney toys, as I said in a previous post if OP felt that strongly about disney then I would probably have agreed she WNBU to not want a minnie in the house if her house was a disney free zone but it just seems a bit mean to me to let them have one disney toy but not another if that's the main thing they want for christmas. Anyway, doesn't really matter now as OP has taken opinions on board and is buying the offending toy.

autumnlights12 Tue 13-Nov-12 17:13:13

Christ, after reading that, I really want to get her a Minnie Mouse!

autumnlights12 Tue 13-Nov-12 17:15:06

What the actual fuck is wrong with Disney anyway? I've heard they treat their staff very well. And Disneyland/world is fantastic.

FloatyFlo Tue 13-Nov-12 17:38:48

Oh my lord, what a thread! I can't believe that blikin' disney could get people so clenched up...if only people got up in arms like this over something of actual importance.

Hope you buy her the mouse. It really is just a toy.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Tue 13-Nov-12 23:15:45

To be clear, I'm no keener on the 'you are over thinking, Disney is kovely' than on the 'it's your money buy what you like' line. I just think if it's fairly harmless and not prohibitively expensive, it's nice to buy them the thing they actually want.

GothAnneGeddes Wed 14-Nov-12 00:10:03

YABU, but you know that anyway.

Am finding it a bit ironic that some here who are all about restricting toys for the good, as they don't provide a strong model for their children, don't see why it's good to accept your children are people who may have different ideas and perceptions to you.

Fairylea Wed 14-Nov-12 06:34:56

It's a toy. She likes the toy. She will probably like it for all of 5 minutes before she wants or likes something else.

You can't use children to make political or feminist or whatever else statements (in general not just to this thread) by not buying them something. All you are doingIs being unnecessary really... if it's what your dd really wants I'd get it.

Trust me when they get to 5/7/9 and want a facebook page because everyone else in their class has one already that's a far bigger issue than a Minnie mouse toy!!! (For the record I've said no to facebook).

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 14-Nov-12 06:46:35

If my DS1 could pick up on the inherent racism apparent in Disney films when he was just 7yo, and ask me whether Mr. Disney was a racist (he was), I don't think much of Disney films.

However, I have not refused to get my DC's anything Disney, but allowed them to make their own minds up.

Once he realised that yes, Walt Disney was a racist, and we had spoken about it, he has not asked for anything Disney-related since.

Job done.

Yes, I put up with Disney shite in the meantime, but I feel things like this can help you to explore topics like racism with younger children. Worked for me.

Now if only 21mo DS3 would realise that Mickey Mouse Clubhouse is, in fact, a pile of poo, I'd be happy!

pigletmania Wed 14-Nov-12 07:35:11

Op is going to be inundated with Minnie mouse, I wanted to give her the one dd des not use anymore

pigletmania Wed 14-Nov-12 08:38:42

Yello your dd might not realise now when she is young but when she is Oder she might, that all her friends have xyx and she cannot have it. There are a few posts on here and other related threads of adults who were denied certain branded toys, they resented it later in life or felt sad about it.

Couthy did your ds decide that for himself or did you tell him Disney was racist

Fakebook Wed 14-Nov-12 08:45:13

Dd fell in love with Mickey Mouse when she was a few months old. I'd leave the Disney channel on whilst I did the washing and she'd lay on her play mat and laugh her heart out at him. She was besotted with her Mickey soft toy until she was about 2.5. Then she grew out of it.

I don't mind Disney, but their toys are way over priced. That Mickey story telling toy is about £60. £60 for what? He tells 5 stories and that's it! I can put on a Mickey voice and tell 100's of different stories up until the day I die for free.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 14-Nov-12 12:21:36

Nope, he ASKED me if Mr. Disney was racist. He said he felt the films never showed African, middle eastern or Indian characters as the Hero or Heroine, and he thought that was racist, and he wanted to know if Mr. Disney was a racist.

I wasn't going to lie to him when he'd come to those conclusions himself. He pointed out that even Aladdin was much 'whiter' than whatsisface that is the baddie in that movie. He pointed out that the ONLY Disney film he felt had a hero or heroine that was not whiter than the villain was Mulan.

Don't ask, my DS1 is a lovely but slightly unusual boy!

He's 10 now, and is interested in Politics, Greek Mythology and how to eliminate discrimination...

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 14-Nov-12 12:23:00

He kept going on about how even the Siamese cats in Lady & the Tramp were portrayed as villains. hmm

MiniTheMinx Wed 14-Nov-12 12:53:02

Can't you get your DD into www.beano.com/retro-beano/minnie-the-minx why not trade that wet old mouse for something more feisty and interesting, takes no shit and knows how to use a catapult. grin she also likes climbing trees, pissing off authority and wearing ace jumpers.

LDNmummy Wed 14-Nov-12 13:02:47

I thought I was alone [weepingwithjoy]

pictish Wed 14-Nov-12 13:13:14

Couldn't agree more Mini! grin

pigletmania Wed 14-Nov-12 13:38:48

Wow he is vey intelligent Couthy, don't know most children of that age who would make those type of observations

pigletmania Wed 14-Nov-12 13:40:05

Mini that was me, I was more of a Beano/dandy girl and modelled myself on Dennis the Mennace. I even told my dad to make me a caterpault which he did grin

noUggscuse Wed 14-Nov-12 13:51:45

If you know buying your dd this stuffed toy will bring her such happiness WHY would you not? She is three, you can make her Christmas wish come true. What mother would deny that? Seeing her so excited Christmas morning with her little Minnie will bring you joy too.

MiniTheMinx Wed 14-Nov-12 14:30:25

Did you know that walt was abused as a child and belonged to the 33 degree free masons! there is also some suggestion that Walt was not a benign uncle but a paedophile. Anyway he was very strange, he wielded a lot of power and was in good company with US presidents and bankers. The Disney castle was modelled after the castle of some geezer called Prince Ludwig who was a member of the illuminati.......and friend of Walt.

mummytime Wed 14-Nov-12 14:50:22

Prince Luwig II died in 1886. Walt Disney was born in 1901. He visited Ludwig's castle on a European tour with his wife, (as do thousands of people every year, its a huge tourist attraction, together with som neighbouring castles). It's hardly surprising that Cinderella's castle is based on a Bavarian one.

RubyGates Wed 14-Nov-12 15:43:56

I feel your pain OP, my DS1's GF is a Disney Store cast member........ (I will need therapy, as the house slowly fills up with crud I can't really abide).

TBF, she hasn't inflicted any plush rodents on us yet, but I'm still finding the glittery mickey-heads she put in the wrapping paper last Christmas in very strange places.

I know what you mean, and DS2's MMCH obsession (only on YOUTUBE in our house) makes me twitch. But strangely the batteries in the lap-top seem to go flat very quickly when Mickey and his weird little gang is involved.

RubyGates Wed 14-Nov-12 15:44:45

are? even.

YouOldSlag Wed 14-Nov-12 15:48:50

Look OP, if I had to put up with two years of Thomas the Tank Engine, a year of Ben 10 and another year of Fireman Sam, then you have to put up with a short Disney fixation. I'm not suffering alone! smile

I'm no fan of any of them, but then I'm a 42 yr old woman, and not a small boy. We like different stuff. They still got what they wanted for Christmas.

WillowFae Wed 14-Nov-12 16:11:56

Definitely not a Disney hater here and for me Mickey and Minnie are the embodiment of all that I love about Disney. We were in Orlando over half-term and DS and DD chose a Mickey and Minnie respectively as the one cuddly toy they wanted. So I think YABU, but don't listen to me as you said this was a thread for Disney haters - just couldn't resist though ;)

ppeatfruit Wed 14-Nov-12 16:24:44

Anyone who knows France will've seen the 'fairy tale castles type chateaux' FG also the actual stories were written 100s of years ago well before our modern P.C. sensibilities. The most sadistic part of Little Mermaid was left out of the Disney film version as was the moral; which was vile IMO

I know Disney was not a wonderful person and his company has been run on unimaginative lines. But are there many companies with completely clean records of management?

PrettyHairClips Wed 14-Nov-12 16:57:49

Oh dear OP, you would hate my livingroom in a couple of weeks. We're going all out Disney this Christmas - disney stockings, disney wreath, disney advent, disney baubles, even tinkerbell for the top of the tree.

Love it.

When I wed DH, we got married at Disney World with Mickey & Minnie present, who helped us cut the cake and did the first dance alongside us. haha. Tacky but I love it.

pictish Wed 14-Nov-12 17:14:58

Blimey!!! shock grin

GothAnneGeddes Wed 14-Nov-12 18:02:44

PrettyHairClips - that is amazing! Far better then the dull weddings most people have. I love the idea of Disney decorations too. wink

RubyGates Wed 14-Nov-12 18:26:49

I should point out, lest you think I',m being ungrateful, that DS2 loves, loves, loves everything that DS1's GF has given. In a strange and twisted way I'm very grateful because I would certainly never, ever buy anything that was Disney related. smile

Teapot13 Wed 14-Nov-12 18:44:49

"We don't even have the Disney channel..."

Is it mandatory?

pictish Wed 14-Nov-12 19:03:44

No - I was illustrating how my dd's aquaintance with horrid Minnie comes soley from her little friend's obsession. She has never (to my knowledge) seen Minnie Mouse on tv. That's all I meant.

I have seen Mickey's Clubhouse while babysitting for my friend (mum of wee pal) - it is a load of crap.

WillowFae Wed 14-Nov-12 19:14:31

We have a tradition where the children buy one special decoration each for the tree every year so we end up with memories of every christmas on the tree. As we were at Disney World a couple of weeks ago we have gone for Disney ones this year which we bought from the Christmas shop in Magic Kingdom smile

MiniTheMinx Wed 14-Nov-12 19:15:08

I still want a catapult but I can climb trees smile I read that Disney was friends with Ludwig confused actually if you read some of weird nonsense surrounding Walt it could fry your brain.

I actually quite like the old Mickey when Mickey had teeth. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNMPpJlRvXE&feature=relmfu I'm sure the policeman repeats shut up several times for good effect.....not very PC I suppose and I think the earlier less "pretty" mickey might now scare some children.

OP maybe you should count yourself lucky, we had several months of non stop Pinky and Perky with DS1 after an elderly relative found an old recording and played it to him. You two could find yourself knitting Pinky and Perky characters.

MiniTheMinx Wed 14-Nov-12 19:15:44

You "too" (doh) too tired.

totallyloyal Wed 14-Nov-12 21:40:36

have you decided yet op?

pictish Wed 14-Nov-12 22:06:12

Yeah...I'll get her the toy. angry

HoneyDragon Wed 14-Nov-12 22:11:46

grin

Never mind pictish. When she's bored of it, you can stick pins in it

CharlotteBronteSaurus Thu 15-Nov-12 08:54:54

aw...pictish
she'll be over it in five minutes, and then you can smuggle it out the the charity shop.

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