to think school cooking lessons are.....

(134 Posts)
NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:34:09

a joke when the morbidly obese 'food tech' teacher ditches the healthy recipes from the school cook book and has the class make a super sugary swiss roll? when i say fat, I mean she is so heavy as to not be able to wear normal clothes or stand up straight? and she is teaching my daughter about nutrition when all these years I have been doing my best to keep her slim and fit? and this teachers daughter is also obese as are her husband and son.....
or would I sound like a twat complaining about this?

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 21:38:08

If you brought the teachers weight into it or her family's then yes you would sound like a twat.

If however, you don't (for whatever reason) want your DD making a swiss roll at school...then I suppose you've a right to complain.

But you'll probably sound like an OTT twat if I'm honest.

Mrsjay Thu 08-Nov-12 21:38:11

you are a twat for posting about it why are you so worried about your daughters weight it was just a cake fgs normal clothes? does she go around with a sheet then why are you so concerned about a teachers weight,

dd does cooking at school and will make cakes and puddings but her teacher is skinny is that ok then

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:39:08

ok i am a twat

lovebunny Thu 08-Nov-12 21:40:24

fantastic. not only a school to complain about but also the teacher is fat.

go ahead and complain. see if you can wrench the fat woman from her job. that should give her an incentive to lose weight. with a bit of luck her entire family will be short of money and will have to cut back on food.

you people only send your children to school so you have something to complain about.

can't read you right, you're losing signal - the bridge is in the way. i'd throw you a biscuit but the sugar might make you fat.

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 21:40:43

If your DD is slim and fit, why clutch your pearls over her eating a couple of slices of swiss roll?

hiddenhome Thu 08-Nov-12 21:41:18

School cooking lessons are supposed to be shite. It's the only way the teaching staff can truly torment the parents grin

I spent £10 on ingredients for ds1 and he returned with inedible mush which ended up in the bin. When I did cookery in the 80s they taught us to make proper stuff like soup, scones, baked potato etc.

DialMforMummy Thu 08-Nov-12 21:41:36


kinkyfuckery Thu 08-Nov-12 21:42:18

If your family's diets are fine elsewhere, a couple of slices of swiss roll won't make your daughter fat.
Obviously, being taught by a fat teacher will, alone, turn your daughter into a fatty-fat-fatso. Get her sacked.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:42:54

well my point really was that schools are on their high horses about 'healthy eating' and have this little cook book, but the fat one just ditches the healthy recipes and has them make swiss roll...
tasted fine tho'...

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:43:21

but thanks for your input, I am being a bit vile I know.

JambalayaCodfishPie Thu 08-Nov-12 21:44:43

Every week? She makes swiss roll every week?

kinkyfuckery Thu 08-Nov-12 21:44:54

Bit vile? You're being utterly abhorant.

JambalayaCodfishPie Thu 08-Nov-12 21:45:05

A bit vile?

LFCisTarkaDahl Thu 08-Nov-12 21:45:59

I would have been so happy if they'd made a Swiss roll, they're yum and actually involve cooking.

Unlike the £10 fruit fucking salad I forked out for hmm

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 21:46:03

<< Face - desk >>

But healthy eating does not and has never meant you can't stuff a slice of swiss roll in your mouth now and then.

It's about moderation and balance.

If you're DD sees you with a face like a camel licking sherbet off its dick every time she eats something sweet, she's quite likely to end up the size of the teacher...and with just as many food issues.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:46:12

most weeks yes.
lovebunny are you a 'food tech' teacher, perchance?

DialMforMummy Thu 08-Nov-12 21:46:14

"the fat one". Are you a Swiss troll?

snooter Thu 08-Nov-12 21:47:31

What are the lessons supposed to be about? If they are supposed to teach children to cook edible, nutritious meals then I don't think a Swiss Roll would count as one of the five-a-day. If they are just for fun, to make cakes & other yummy stuff then fair enough. The fat teacher is probably OK in the kitchen - never trust a thin cook.

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 21:47:36

Dial! grin

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:48:00

yes ' a bit vile' - a grossly obese woman is teaching about nutrition? should I not notice that she wears a marquee?

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:49:46

snooter the lessons come with a booklet about healthy eating from the government...
whatever I realise now that I do sound nasty, perhaps dealing with the school has brought out my inner teenager.
Good swiss roll though...

kinkyfuckery Thu 08-Nov-12 21:49:55

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thewashfairy Thu 08-Nov-12 21:50:48

I agree school cooking lessons are a joke. All my DC learned was how to make cakes,'fruit salad' (chop up some fruit and pour orange juice over it shock and spaghetti bolognese (bring in mince,ready sauce and spaghetti,mix and that's it......).
They should teach the children how to cook from scratch and about the importance of using good quality ingredients. ( in our case I do that myself,at home,but am aware not all children/parents are able to do this)

As for your comments about the teacher and her family being obese,bit harsh,but I can see where you are coming from. Might be hard for the pupils to take her advice serious if it's obvious she doesn't take that advice to heart herself. (disclaimer,assuming there are no underlying medical problems that cause her to be obese)

healstorturepeople Thu 08-Nov-12 21:51:52

Op your attitude disgusts me.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:51:59

that's quite odd kinkyfuckery and you don't need to resort to telling me to 'fuck off' really do you?
obvs I could teach them that if i felt like it, why not?

LynetteScavo Thu 08-Nov-12 21:52:45

Hahaha @ hiddenhome! grin

I raise you £12 to make a bakewell tart (we had to buy a new tin).

I'm bemused by the amount of red meat DS is aksed to bring in. First mince to make chilli (fine, we could use soya) and now to make burgers. This will teach him to handle raw meat apparently. Luckily DS isn't vegetarian, we just don't eat red meat at home.

I will be sending in turkey mince to make a point.

snooter Thu 08-Nov-12 21:53:25

If the lessons come with a healthy eating leaflet then she is clearly taking the piss!! Or too fat, stupid & greedy to follow the protocol. (Dons hard hat & retreats to the cake cupboard)

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 21:53:35

So you're annoyed your DD was taught to make a tasty swiss roll from scratch, that you all enjoyed? confused

And how do you know what the teacher's entire family look like, including her DH?

LynetteScavo Thu 08-Nov-12 21:54:09

Actually, I liked learning how to make swiss roll at school. Every year we had a chocolate log competition, and I always won. grin

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:55:23

because they all either work at or attend the school......
no not annoyed at the end product grin but being lectured about healthy eating from the gov and school nurse...

seeker Thu 08-Nov-12 21:56:24

Well, so far my year 7 has made flapjacks, macaroni cheese scone based pizza and tomato soup. I've been very impressed. Whichni wasn't expecting to be.

OP, you a coming across as completely ghastly. If yourndaughter learned how to make q Swiss roll, the woman concerned must be a good teacher - it's not an easy thing to make. Her looks and family life are absolutely none of your business.

Fakebook Thu 08-Nov-12 21:56:24

Oh shut up. There is nothing wrong with making a Swiss roll. I'd pipe down if I were you before you mentally fuck up your Dd and turn her into a bulimic or anorexic.

wigglesrock Thu 08-Nov-12 21:56:24

Is she a good teacher? Does your child like her? Or does that not matter - just what she looks like.

I made swiss roll in Home Economics (how old am I) it was lovely. Didn't even make it home - we all ate it on the bus.

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 21:57:08

Well you'd do well to actually listen to the government and school nurse

Then you'll understand that a slice of cake now and then as part of a healthy diet, isn't going to make you spontaneously combust.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:58:06

I'd pipe down if I were you before you mentally fuck up your Dd and turn her into a bulimic or anorexic
goodness me I brought out the harpies...

thewashfairy Thu 08-Nov-12 21:58:26

I think that's the main point that gets me Nelly,the preaching about healthy eating policies, whilst 'teaching' the kids to make the most useless,expensive inedible food products known by man. Hypocritical to say the least

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 21:59:12

exactly washfairy, thank you

cardibach Thu 08-Nov-12 21:59:27

I disagreed with you and with your attitude, but believed what you were saying up to the point when you said she makes this 'most weeks'. THat is clearly crap, so I am now wondering what you agenda is...

Mrsjay Thu 08-Nov-12 22:00:28

the fat one". Are you a Swiss troll?

<groan> grin

Willowisp Thu 08-Nov-12 22:01:13

Well I'm tending to agree with you. I don't like fat people, I don't like greedy people & seeing as she has a fat daughter she must also be lazy grin.

Practise what you preach I say wink

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:01:45

ach y fi cardibach , it is true

thewashfairy Thu 08-Nov-12 22:02:54

They blame it on the fact they have only 1 hour including the prep and post tidy. Make it into a 2 hour slot every other week then...... DUH. Can't be THAT hard. 1 week you have 2 hour slot cooking,next week you have 2 hour slot PE or something. Don't even start me on that one.... My teens' PE tops have never come back smelling sweaty! That can't be right,especially not in TEENS.......

Fakebook Thu 08-Nov-12 22:03:29

Sorry but did you expect everyone here to sit and laugh at your description of the teacher and agree with you?

Making a swiss roll does at least involve 2 proper cookery techniques - making the sponge and rolling it up.

There is a 'school cook book'? What's in it?

TiggyD Thu 08-Nov-12 22:05:20

Please list the other things Fat Teacher has taught children how to make.

snooter Thu 08-Nov-12 22:05:27

Nothing wrong in teaching how to make cakes & I agree with comments above about swiss rolls not being the easiest but a swiss roll as an example of a healthy food item in accordance with the accompanying leaflet - FFS - a pudding is hardly essential fodder!

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:05:29

no fakebook not really but 'fuck off' was not necessary

LFCisTarkaDahl Thu 08-Nov-12 22:05:42

Well I'm fat. And well liked.

Not being an utter cunt helps mind.

cardibach Thu 08-Nov-12 22:06:36

WHy are you saying 'Yuck' to me?
How old is she? My DD did make a few cheesecakse while developing her final design fro GCSE. In KS3 they would have to make something different every time to show progression etc (I am a teacher- not food tech). Even at GCSE they would have to be different types/flavours. SOrry, don;t believe it.
And thewashfairy it would be incredibly hard to so that. DO you have any idea how difficult it is to pout a Secondary School timetable together? Just think about it for a bit - all those pupils and teachers, doing all those subjects in specific rooms and none of them can clash, pupils can have no spaces...almost impossible wihtout adding extra constraints.

Sparklyoldwhizzbangcatpusswhee Thu 08-Nov-12 22:07:41

Lynette, I'll see your £12 and raise you £23 fucking quid to make curry! There were 17 different ingredients!

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:08:03

not sure tiggy, it always involves flour sugar and eggs but usually is eaten before I ever see it.
the booklet contains some healthy savoury stuff , salads etc from what I remember

DialMforMummy Thu 08-Nov-12 22:08:21

You are offended when people tell you to fuck off but you use very unpleasant language when talking about the teacher. Is it ok to do so because she is fat and therefore deserves it? hmm

StrawWars Thu 08-Nov-12 22:10:18

1 slice of swiss roll - approx 70 calories.

1 plain scone - approx 145 calories.

Swiss roll = made from eggs, flour, sugar. It is your typical 'fat-free' sponge. Yes, it has sugar in. It's about the overall diet balancing. If you can't balance out one swiss roll from one cooking class in your life, you need more leaflets on healthy eating as you don't seem to get it.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:11:12

yes mummy on some level.......she is enormous,not just a normal kind of 'fat', and so are all her family. and she is telling the children about nutrition?

Lonecatwithkitten Thu 08-Nov-12 22:11:23

Swiss roll proper good old fashion technique leading cooking. If you have a good basic classic technique taught cookery skills you can learn to cook anything.
Swiss roll creaming butter and sugar correctly, putting mixture in tin correctly higher at edges than middle to get even sponge, identifying when cooked properly and finally rolling using grease proof paper.
No reason a small amount of homemade cake should not be part of a healthy diet. It is not processed nastiness just good wholese ingredients.

seeker Thu 08-Nov-12 22:12:20

I'd pipe down if I were you before you mentally fuck up your Dd and turn her into a bulimic or anorexic
goodness me I brought out the harpies..."

You did. I think they must be following their leader.....

DialMforMummy Thu 08-Nov-12 22:12:47

<pinches self>
So what up to size is it acceptable to work as a food tech teacher then?

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:14:13

normal shop sizes mummy i would say (which go up to quite large these days), not having to drape yourself in a curtain.

cocoachannel Thu 08-Nov-12 22:15:08

At a bit of a tangent but as I only have a toddler I am shock that you have to buy the ingredients. Can't remember that being the case in ye olde days.

I just cannot believe they make swiss roll every week. Ds had the same government booklet a few years ago when he was in Y7, but it was not a study guide nor was it a lesson plan.
He has learnt to make layered salad, pizza, cottage pie, macaroni cheese, apple crumble, scones, minced pies, vegetable soup, jam tarts, shortbread, fruit strudel, individual pork and leek pies and a keema curry. Ingredients have been kept to a minimum (I don't think I ever spent more than £5) and he has loved every lesson (and we have enjoyed eating it)
With regards to your dd's teacher, I assume SLT know what she is teaching and have no issues...

TiggyD Thu 08-Nov-12 22:16:24

Out of the one example of the food she gets children to cook we assume that every week they cook unhealthy food? Because they once cooked cake they never cook healthy food?

Nixea Thu 08-Nov-12 22:17:16

With a lot of effort, the teacher could lose the weight if she wanted. You however will always have a vile attitude. I know who I'd prefer to be teaching my kids.

Purpleprickles Thu 08-Nov-12 22:17:23

Maybe the teacher thought she'd teach them how to make something they'd enjoy eating and cooking? I'm making iced biscuits with my Reception Class tomorrow because they love it and we are a healthy school (gasp).

Sparklyoldwhizzbangcatpusswhee Thu 08-Nov-12 22:18:23

OP your attitude is disgusting. How dare you bring his woman's weight into account! She is a teacher. If she teaches badly, then judge her teaching, but her weight is none of your business!
As a food tech teacher she should know exactly what constitutes a balanced diet, and be able to teach this to her students. What she does in her private life is her own concern.
Fwiw, cake is a perfectly acceptable constituent of a normal healthy diet. Moderation is the key. Fat, sugar, proteins, carbs, fibre, are all part of a BALANCED diet. Learning how to bake a cake won't suddenly turn your DD into a hideously obese fat woman!

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:18:50

Wow! And to think I got called fattist by someone who took offence to me politely pointing out that a size 14 doesn't automatically make you not fat....and that it depends on your height and frame.

You're about as offensive as one can possibly be OP

You admit to being vile, and then get offended when someone tells you to fuck off?!

You couldn't make it up....

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:19:22

not sure tiggy but as I said it always involves sugar eggs and flour, and I have never seen those more wide ranging recipes that Behindlocknumbernine mentioned. What is SLT?

DialMforMummy Thu 08-Nov-12 22:20:06

Stupid Lazy Teacher

seeker Thu 08-Nov-12 22:21:08

So they make cakes every single week?

I don't believe you.

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:23:05

You don't take much interest in what your DD learns then?

You're not sure what she makes every week and you allow her to scoff it before she gets home?

Perhaps you should actually ask her what she's making...or ask to see it/sample it.

Chocolatephiladelphia Thu 08-Nov-12 22:23:19

I don't think you're being unreasonable OP.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:23:21

yes they do, it is unbelievable isn't it?
I wouldn't mind if it was once in a while, swiss roll is great cooking, but it is cake literally every week.

Chocolatephiladelphia Thu 08-Nov-12 22:24:04

SLT = senior leadership team

thewashfairy Thu 08-Nov-12 22:24:36

cardibach no I do not have any idea how difficult it is to put together a Secondary School time table as that is not my field. I am sure where there's a will there's a way.
If schools really value healthy living/eating/cooking as highly as they pretend they do whilst following yet another ill thought out Government policy,or just wanting it to look good in there prospectus or for Mr/Mrs Offstead they would do it.
I just can't stand the preaching to parents and pupils from above when it comes to 'healthy' living only for that to be followed up by some halfhearted attempts to actually educate the kids in that subject. Don't bother then if you're not going to do it properly. Use the time for something else.
In my eyes it's right up there with giving a child detention for having a slightly too widely knotted tie whilst the teachers themselves look like total scruffs. Lead by example I say.......

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:25:27

obviously I have a great interest in my daughter's education, worraliberty,
I buy the flipping ingredients every week don't I?
You try and stop a 14 year old girl sharing her cake with her mates.

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:26:53

As a parent, if I tell my kids to bring their cooking home...that's exactly what they do.

Then again, I'm not the sort of parent to grab the smelling salts because they've made cake.

If I was, I'm sure they'd rather eat it in peace too.

JambalayaCodfishPie Thu 08-Nov-12 22:27:31

OP, how old is your DD?

cardibach Thu 08-Nov-12 22:28:37

OK, thewashfairy I get it now. You are one of those people who know nothing about schools or teaching except what their DCs tell them but feel it is quite alright to criticise. WHy don;t you home educate then? Where there's a will there's a way, I'm sure...

Fakebook Thu 08-Nov-12 22:28:42

How do you know she shares it with her mates? She might be eating it all herself due to your weird obsession with healthy eating and shit.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:28:58

oh worraliberty obviously you are a far superior parent to me.
Good for you.
Have a slice of swiss roll.
she is 14 nearly.

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:30:39

It's nothing to do with being superior

But I do think it may have a lot to do with your weird attitude to food.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:31:20

no fakebook she is a kind and generous soul, nothing to do with my crap parenting obviously.
and no i do not have any 'weird obsession', I just think this 'food tech' is a bit....crap...

BoakFace Thu 08-Nov-12 22:31:45

School cooking lessons are a joke now anyway.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:32:15

I can assure you I do not have a weird attitude to food, worraliberty.
stop projecting.

JambalayaCodfishPie Thu 08-Nov-12 22:32:28

At GCSE level, they pick an item, and then constantly refine it - changing the recipe until it fits the design spec.

The only way i'd believe a constant repetition of swiss roll, is if she was doing this.

Or the teacher was preparing them for this - options prep.

Otherwise, a teacher could not have 'swiss roll' as their lesson plan, every week. They just couldnt.

Are you sure shes even doing food? Maybe she just eats the ingredients?

Fakebook Thu 08-Nov-12 22:33:42

How do you know though? She might hide the fact she eats the WHOLE cake because you'll end up ranting and raving at her about becoming fat and obese. Do you often tell her to cut down on food intake incase she grows a tummy?

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:34:24

lol jambalaya...necking bags of flour and raw eggs at the bus stop....?? must be my fault....

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:35:07

I have never said that to her no fakebook as she is the perfect figure of a girl grin FYI

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:38:18

I can assure you I do not have a weird attitude to food, worraliberty
stop projecting

I'm reading not projecting.

You have a very weird attitude towards food if you think that an otherwise fit and healthy teenager shouldn't cook and eat cake once a week.

I'm not surprised you can't persuade her to eat it at home.

JambalayaWarmMincePie Thu 08-Nov-12 22:38:39

If you have genuine concerns about the constant making of swiss roll, then ask the school, ask to see the scheme of work.

Either there's a genuine reason, shes lying, or you are.

Agent64 Thu 08-Nov-12 22:45:44

Worra I beg my DD not to bring the results of her cooking classes home but she insists on inflicting her creations on us grin

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:47:14

Same here Agent ...I'm dreading pretending to like mince pies when I can't fucking stand them grin

JambalayaWarmMincePie Thu 08-Nov-12 22:49:10

Imagine being the person who has to try it all and grade it. "Are you SURE that chickens cooked.." grin

bellabreeze Thu 08-Nov-12 22:49:26

Yanbu, I have always thought they should teach tthem how to make something that is not only healthy but an actual meal.. its always cakes or biscuits which does not tie in with the whole 'healthy eating' thing that Jamie Oliver actually made the LAW in schools...

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:49:42

*I'm reading not projecting.

You have a very weird attitude towards food if you think that an otherwise fit and healthy teenager shouldn't cook and eat cake once a week*
it's not the cake as such that annoys me - it's the sanctimonious little cook book based on healthy eating that is just ignored week after week.

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:50:47

But the 'LAW' in schools does not ban cake in moderation

<< Head - desk - again >>

WorraLiberty Thu 08-Nov-12 22:52:08

Well if you think it's 'sanctimonious' you should be pleased it's being ignored?

If the teacher was slim, would you have a problem with the once a week cake baking?

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 22:54:32

haha maybe you are right worraliberty....
she is enormous tho'.......and so are all her family - scarily so.

AngryFeet Thu 08-Nov-12 22:58:20

"a face like a camel licking sherbet off it's dick" ROFLMAO!

Fakebook Thu 08-Nov-12 23:00:47

she is teaching my daughter about nutrition when all these years I have been doing my best to keep her slim and fit?

How do you do your best to keep your child slim and fit? Does it involve running after her with a whip and making her eat carrots for breakfast, lunch and dinner?

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 23:02:42

lol no fakebook hardly ever....grin

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember Thu 08-Nov-12 23:09:59

If the only food your dd cooks is fattening desserty-type stuff, then YANBU to complain.

If they cook a variety of food, the teacher's weight is irrelevant.

Her family's weight is completely irrelevant.

But in any event you are being very judgy which in my view is more offensive than being fat.

DieDeutschLehrerin Thu 08-Nov-12 23:10:01

Being obese is not a criterion for removing a teacher from her post. Not even for Ofsted. By the sounds of it, distributing a Government publication on healthy nutrition is an obligation which the teacher has fulfilled. She is not responsible for the sanctimonious tone of the booklet. If it is a Government booklet it is not a scheme of work, therefore the teacher is not obliged to teach to the recipes contained in it. It may be that the scheme of work focuses on baking this term and moves on to savoury and fresh over the following terms. You could always ask.

cheekydevil Thu 08-Nov-12 23:10:36

I'm off down the safari park with some sherbet. Seeing that is now on my bucket list
Op if she makes cakes every week she must be a master baker by now?
Teacher's weight has nothing to do with what she teaches unless she makes them leave all the cakes with her for tasting.

ch1110 Thu 08-Nov-12 23:11:20

Woah steady on here lovely ladies! Schools are given their instructions but at the end of the day it's down to us to teach how to cook to our little darlings.

Agent64 Thu 08-Nov-12 23:15:32

ch1110 I read that as how to cook our little darlings

extreme grin

thewashfairy Thu 08-Nov-12 23:17:43

cardibach OK, thewashfairy I get it now. You are one of those people who know nothing about schools or teaching except what their DCs tell them but feel it is quite alright to criticise. WHy don;t you home educate then? Where there's a will there's a way, I'm sure...
You're very wrong in your assumption there. I do know a lot about my DC's school,am very involved with their education and don't just go by what my DC tell me.
I do not wish to home educate,I am very happy with the school they go to. That doesn't mean I have to like everything they do and am not allowed to have any criticism, does it?? hmm
The subject of the OP was 'school cooking lessons' so that's what I'm responding to.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 23:19:47

think I might have touched a nerve with cardibach - cariad it's the school on the hill?

bellabreeze Thu 08-Nov-12 23:23:47

It is pretty obvious that they should be using the cooking classes to teach the kids how to make healthy food, the only thing my DCs have ever made at school are biscuits, cakes and cheese melted on a muffin

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember Thu 08-Nov-12 23:28:50

ds cooked a stirfry last week, and soup the week before.

It is possible to cook proper food in an hour(ish).

He has also cooked cakes, scones, pancakes and lots of sweet things.

Cooking anything is really good for children, and unfortunately there are many parents whose cooking skills include shoving chicken nuggets in the oven or calling the local takeaway. So cooking (anything) in school is great. As is teaching any nutrition.

But if parents continue to get so hysterical about the whole thing I suspect the day is coming when cooking in schools will no longer be allowed. One friend of ds's cut his hand when chopping onions, and his mum went in and complained that the knife was too sharp. I mean ffs, he was 14, he should be able to use a knife.

campion Thu 08-Nov-12 23:39:43

Nelly Job You keep saying that her teacher is teaching her about nutrition. So what's the problem exactly? She's learning about nutrition in a Food lesson and you're unhappy because she has made a swiss roll which contains a trace of fat and 70 calories per slice (as mentioned).

Along the way she might also have learned something about accurate weighing and its importance in a recipe like this (Food Science) unless you weighed it for her, in which case - tut tut. She has most likely learned to use an oven safely, handle an electric whisk, organise herself in a very limited time frame,take responsibility for clearing up (which also involves teamwork), work independently and in a group and listen appropriately. She has also learned a reasonably difficult skill in the whisking method and rolling up the sponge correctly.

But instead of reflecting on this you choose to have a go at her teacher's appearance.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 23:47:09

yes but it was not A swiss roll, eg is cakes every week as I said.
and the teachers are quick enough to judge on appearance and make assumptions (another story perhaps) -

seeker Thu 08-Nov-12 23:52:00

Now if you had talked about cake every week that would have been an interesting discussion about school cookery.

NellyJob Thu 08-Nov-12 23:53:40


joanbyers Fri 09-Nov-12 00:16:56

Perhaps you can start a 'diary of a fat cookery teacher'.

Come back each week and post what they have cooked, and we can judge if it is acceptable for fat people to eat these items, or if they should just sub it for Ryvita and boiled lettuce.

JustSpidero Fri 09-Nov-12 00:28:59

Perhaps you should move your daughter to another school as you clearly have such a low opinion of the staff in general, I'm sure they'd be delighted to see the back of you and celebrate with lots of cake!

NellyJob Fri 09-Nov-12 00:38:10

lol @ Joan - not a bad idea! I will keep you posted!
Justspidero - do you mean that if my daughter is enrolled in a school I have no right to question anything? Weird.....

WorraLiberty Fri 09-Nov-12 09:42:42

You have every right to question it, but not so much to insult the woman and her entire family....but then I think you know that.

Jins Fri 09-Nov-12 09:46:25

The skills involved in making a swiss roll are so advanced that I can't do it.

Anyone can throw a spag bol together but doing cakes requires proper skills that are transferable to other recipes.

WorraLiberty Fri 09-Nov-12 09:48:16

All my swiss rolls have turned into chocolate logs at the last minute

The icing covers up and holds together the broken mess that lies inside grin

Boomerwang Fri 09-Nov-12 09:54:18

At least she gets to cook something. Home economics in my school 18 years ago was a farce. Every week it was 'flapjacks' except for one week where we made melon soup. I think that involved mixing the melon with honey and whizzing it in a food processor.

Oh god, 18 years ago... I feel so, so old.

Dead69Girl Fri 09-Nov-12 10:15:05

OP you are a twat and your attitude is vile!

FlipFlippingFlippers Fri 09-Nov-12 10:34:59

For what its worth I'm a massive fatty. I know loads about nutrition and eat a balanced diet just fucking loads of it

I don't see how this woman's size has anything to do with her abilities as a teacher. If this was a slim teacher baking cakes then would you be as bothered? Also baking cakes requires loads more cooking skills than chopping a salad...


princesssugar Fri 09-Nov-12 11:07:57

Im a food teacher <runs and hides>. I am also a size 16....not sure if that is too fat for the op or if i can continue teaching.

We teach swiss roll once in year 8 and probably once in year 10 as part of an investigation into properties of ingredients. I charge £7:50 per year which covers all ingredients unless the pupils decide to bring in extras ( chicken for the veg curry, chocolate <gasp> for decorating cakes etc) we teach a variety of healthy meals and basc skills which then allow pupils put skills together to make their own meals

Swiss roll shows a different way of making a cake rise (chemical vs mechanical), plus the usual,weighing, measuring, ratios, timing, using an electric whisk safely ( unless im feeling mean then it will be using a baloon whisk takes ages!) team work, evaluation and planning skills. The fact it has no fat init allows for discussion on complex and simple carbohydrates and fat and the impact in the diet ( i am allowed to know this, university didnt have a weight limit on nutrition lectures )

Swiss roll is also a government recommended recipe from when license to cook was in operation - as was fruit salad - teaches valuable knife control skills especially for year 7 and you would be amazed at how many 11 year olds have never tasted a pear.

Op feel free to complain if your dd is making swiss roll every week but dont blame it onthe fact the teacher is overweight as you will just sound pathetic.

Jusfloatingby Fri 09-Nov-12 11:13:50

I think there's two issues being raised in this thread:

Is there any harm in the cookery teacher ignoring the text book every now and again to make something fun and sweet tasting (no, in my opinion)

Should an extremely overweight person be teaching young children about healthy eating and nutrition (seems a bit contradictory and ironic in my view but what can you do? Its not really something you can make a formal complaint about).

As long as, at the end of the day, your dd can also make a few basics like soup, a stir fry, an omelette etc. and has a fundamental grasp of nutrition, that's what really matters.

JustSpidero Fri 09-Nov-12 11:27:34

Oh go and get a cake and a grip OP!

Dancingqueen17 Fri 09-Nov-12 12:47:50

Agree cooking the same every week is pointless and is important to do a mix or healthy recipes and 'treats'
Op - you won't have a leg to stand on arguing about the size of the teacher, the school wouldn't want to touch the issue with a barge pole. I do however see where your ideas around hypocracy come from.
What would everyones views be if we were looking at a smoking teacher teaching pupils about the dangers of smoking?

lljkk Fri 09-Nov-12 13:01:31

Don't plenty of doctors smoke & also tell their patients not to?

Isn't lots of life "Do as I say & not as I do"?

In our household we would be delighted to have cakes brought home each week <<bun fight over who'd eat 'em>>. There were no cooking classes & only the most simplistic nutrition lessons when & where I went to school. YABU.

socharlotte Fri 09-Nov-12 13:16:25

Now I am going to HAVE TO bake a swiss roll!!

KenLeeeeeee Fri 09-Nov-12 13:20:19

YABU to have been so rude & crass about the teacher's weight. I lost interest in any potentially valid point you may have had when you decided to be so nasty.

mum2threesons Fri 09-Nov-12 14:10:02

I hate bloody school cooking lessons..nothing to do with an overweight teacher BTW..I hate the fact that I have to fork out a blooming fortune on ingredients that we will never use again.
I've got a big pot of black treacle in my cupboard that I had to buy so my DS coud take 1 TABLESPOON of the stuff to school!
It really really gets me ranting!

JambalayaWarmMincePie Fri 09-Nov-12 14:24:03

For recipes that require one tsp of something, we usually buy a jar and each pupil takes a tsp each. To avoid ^this exact situation^ grin

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember Fri 09-Nov-12 14:28:50

How on earth would you transport a tablespoon of treacle? The mind boggles confused.

I suppose parents object to a charge, so each child has to bring individual ingredients. We are charged by the term for that type of thing, and it isn't much.

hazleweatherfieldgirldetective Fri 09-Nov-12 14:36:17

Perhaps you should teach your daughter some self control if she a) is likely to embark on a life of overeating purely because one teacher at her school is overweight and b) she eats a whole cake to herself once a week.

My food tech teacher was skinny as a rake and we had a whole term of making different kinds of cakes. And if one of us forgot an ingredient she would give us it but then take HALF of our cake. I still seethe at the memory. No Mrs Bell, giving me some powdered egg does NOT entitle you to half of my fucking sponge cake!

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