AIBU to feel that not all 4x4 owners buy them for swanking about in !

(255 Posts)
SpringierSpaniel Wed 31-Oct-12 07:52:06

Some of us do our research before making a purchase and the vehicle we buy is the one which suits our needs.

So can those who make snap judgements otherwise (yes, certain school gate mums, I do mean you and a fair few MN'ers too) go away and consider why they feel the need to criticise someone else's carefully thought through decision/choice so instantly without considering the possible factors in arriving at that choice.

Just because some people get a kick out of the admiration/envy that they can garner from showing off any lovely or expensive new clothes/handbag/car/jewellery or talking about their upcoming holiday or lounge redecoration, new furniture etc etc, don't assume that all people are like that because it smacks of judging others by the way you personally would act and might therefore actually reflect badly on you.

I honestly had no idea when I got the car some while back how much it would affect the way some acquaintances treat me.

KittyFane1 Wed 31-Oct-12 07:55:38

Oooh, a tread about a thread. shock

Charleymouse Wed 31-Oct-12 07:55:58


Have a 4x4 and sometimes even wear sunglasses whilst driving it.

Also thought out and considered the purchase carefully and fully.

pjmama Wed 31-Oct-12 07:58:06

I need mine and couldn't give a toss what anyone else thinks.

KittyFane1 Wed 31-Oct-12 07:59:39

There will always be people who buy these cars because they have loads of kids, have disabilities, live in a field and there will always be those who just want to drive them (for the show off factor). No reason is more virtuous than another.

scarevola Wed 31-Oct-12 07:59:46

I found that when living rurally nearly everyone had a four-wheel drive of some sort.

No-one mocked, even when we needed to drive into cities. Then again, ours tended to be old, filthy, and accessoried with baling string, buckets, old feed bags etc.

There's really no need for one unless you live in the mountains or go off road. If those apply, you're probably obviously a bumpkin when in the city - an environment which is totally unsuitable for them and one could never justify a need as a family vehicle - and oblivious to the nuances of such a place.

HGAFC Wed 31-Oct-12 08:00:02

YABU purely for thinking you have to justify your car choices to anyone grin

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 08:01:24

If it suits your needs I don't see a problem. It doesn't suit mine as I prefer a smaller car. I know people with mobility issues like them because of the driving position and getting in and out.

I don't really notice what people are driving unless they are driving/parking it badly.

But hey, this is a v old topic.

scarevola Wed 31-Oct-12 08:02:08

Fred about a fred - hadn't realised

Jolly bad form - as anyone who did thorough research would have known about MN.

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 08:02:48

We got a range rover. There are only two of us, no dc. I couldnt give a fuck what people think/say about it! We got because it is pretty and comfy and has a nice big boot for the dogs. We also feel much safer in it, because it is so big.
No one has made any comments to our faces about our choice in cars. yes, we have TWO cars!


Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 08:02:56

Oh is it? I missed yet another thread about 4x4s? I am slipping. sad

gallifrey Wed 31-Oct-12 08:04:31

I used to have one as I towed a horse trailer!

ScaryBeardyDeadyman Wed 31-Oct-12 08:12:45

Range rover = swanking about

Land rover = purpose

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 08:13:42

White 4x4s=looks stupid.

Chandon Wed 31-Oct-12 08:14:33

I would not mind them, if not so many of the big fuckoff car owners would drive like they own the road. You know, when there are cars parked on their side of the road, yet they drive at full speed towards you so you, in a smaller car, have to awkwardly go on the pavement or reverse to et the big car pass.

I would not care otherwise, but something about driving in a big tank makes people less considerate than ther road users.

I could not care less about anyone's choice of car, really, I just am bothered by driving style and if it affects me.

panicnotanymore Wed 31-Oct-12 08:16:15

When I first moved here I couldn't understand why every single house on the street had a 4x4, and may have made some sniffy judgy comments about it. H and I were clear in our commitment to the environment... we wouldn't get one.

However after 3 years of being literally snowed in for weeks at a time, and having to beg lifts from a neighbour to get to a food shop we realised what the 4x4 thing was about. We are on a steep hill, it snows every winter here (and by snows I mean feet of the stuff not inches), and although the council clears the main roads it does not do the country roads. Without a 4x4 it is impossible to get out to buy food, get to work, reach a doctor etc. My first baby is due next Feb and I am actually a little panicky about being able to get to the hospital (even with the 4x4)! I have an 80 year old neighbour who was a midwife, and have seriously considering asking H to carry her up the hill should the need arise!!!!

scarevola what if you live in the hills, in a place where they don't clear the snow, but have to commute into the big bad city every day to work despite being a "bumpkin"?

Viperidae Wed 31-Oct-12 08:18:49

I have one and I don't care if other people like it or not. It is nice to drive, comfortable for passengers and sometimes I park with my wheels on the pavement go off road grin

Wolfiefan Wed 31-Oct-12 08:19:48

I judge!
You may live (round here) on scary back roads that become completely impassable with the slightest frost. (Certainly in my car. )
You may have horses. Vvvv jealous!
Other than that.... None of my business!

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 08:23:21

Viperidae our 4x4 is so big i didnt even realise that i was on the curb! so comfortable i didnt feel the bump up! my DH still gets excited by 'off roading'

SpringierSpaniel Wed 31-Oct-12 08:26:06

Scarevola please read my long post in the other thread before you make snap judgemental statements (I don't know how to copy and paste that to here).

Yes the vehicle is a 4x4 but the main reason for buying it was not 4x4 usage need itself.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 08:28:38

If you don't realise you are on the kerb that would worry me re running stuff over. confused I think it's good to feel the bump isn't it? <looks at family pet>

SpringierSpaniel Wed 31-Oct-12 08:31:41

IMVHO this isn't a true thread about a thread, it's a reaction to the unexpectedly judgemental attitude I've experienced personally since we became 4X4 owners and asking people to consider why some families do own and drive one.

Please note our 4x4 is shorter and narrower than many estate cars, it's just taller. Boot space has been partially sacrificed for legroom too.

scarevola Wed 31-Oct-12 08:32:07

"Scarevola please read my long post in the other thread before you make snap judgemental statements (I don't know how to copy and paste that to here)."

That's exactly why a thread about a thread is considered such very bad form.
I'm glad you agree with me.

filetheflightoffancy Wed 31-Oct-12 08:34:33

DH reckons that anyone who doesnt live in a rural area and drives a 4x4 (particular culprits are the BMW X5 and the Porsche Cayenne) may as well add a bumper sticker saying 'I know nothing about cars' to complete the look.

There are plenty of perhaps slightly less flash cars out there that accomodate larger numbers of passengers, have lower emissions and are nice and high up for people with disabilities (my lowly Renault Scenic for example is actually an ex mobility car).

So if you dont live in the country and want to drive a 4x4 then of course that is up to you, but just dont pretend it is because you 'need' it and not because it looks fab and you like swanking around in it.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 08:36:29

I can't understand getting one if you don't need one. Not exactly cheap to run, nippy about town or easy to park. confused

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 08:36:51

yes sparkling that is why we have 2 cars! i am not trusted to drive his beloved range rover! grin

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 08:38:59

and no it is bloody expensive to run, costs £115 to fill and does around 18 miles to gallon!

aldiwhore Wed 31-Oct-12 08:41:36

It amuses me how differently different groups of people treat me depending on whether I turn up in the 'big thing' or my little battered Nissan Micra.


How nippy do you have to be about town? If you can park properly you can park a larger vehicle, and although they're not cheap to run, neither's my micra at present... I'd love to be able to afford a different car so that I am deemed appropriate in every scenario but I'm not.

You can't 'swank' in our 4x4 no matter how hard you try, it is a utility vehicle and it looks like it, no plush anything, unless you include the blankets we use to keep warm in winter.
We don't live in the country or up a hillside, we rarely tow and to see it parked outside the house most would think WTF but it is essential for DH and his work.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 08:44:38

The spaces in our nearest town's multi storey are ridiculously small and narrow. It stands to reason that I can park my hatchback in a smaller space than a 4X4. And squeeze through tiny spaces between parked cars. It's smaller! confused

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 08:45:04

Who actually cares what cars other people drive??? You people are fucking mental sometimes!!!

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 08:49:39

I don't theo I care about the way people drive.

Pootles2010 Wed 31-Oct-12 08:51:08

Honestly who gives a monkeys? If people are twattish to you, that is a clue they are twats and you don't want to be friends with them anyway?

Some people have sensible cars for sensible reasons, some people have cars that they buy for swanking about in - so what? I think you might need a hobby op.

filetheflightoffancy Wed 31-Oct-12 08:55:35

And some people buy shit cars because they think they tell themselves they need them, when actually they just want to look good. Just be honest aobut it!

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 08:59:58

is swanking particularly dangerous? When I was a teenager it mainly involved boys parking up in the MiaFioris and comparing the paintwork. I care about being stuck behind a stinking old jalopy with gaffer tape holding on the bumper more than behind a car that the owner enjoys and presumably cares for. I also care how cyclists cycle, doesn't mean i give a shit what cool and clever bicycle they have.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 09:02:05

It's all a bit wasted on me. DH always points out cars and how much they cost and I am always shock because they don't look anything special. Same as I wouldn't know designer clothes or handbags if I saw them.

Depends what's on your radar.......

impty Wed 31-Oct-12 09:02:36

I live in the country. 2 cars, one is a 4x4. We need it in the winter, or even just when we have heavy rain and roads flood. But most people around here have a 4x4 so no comments, at least not to my face!

If I'm in town I assume people realise I live in the countryside because the car tends to be covered in mud!

HeinousHecate Wed 31-Oct-12 09:13:04

I don't understand the 4x4 hatred. We have bad winters and get snowed in and when I look out the window what do I see but the 4x4s up and down the road rescuing people!

And if we're talking bad drivers I've never known worse than the little sports cars. I've never been harassed, overtaken dangerously or tailgate by a 4x4 but I've been put in serious danger more than once by a lunatic in a two seater sports car

SarryB Wed 31-Oct-12 09:21:08

We have a 4x4 because we live in a remote area where the roads are rough and it snows a lot during winter. Ours is NOT swanky in the least. I think it's about 15 years old and cost £1000. It's a bit of a rust bucket, but I love it.

OwedToAutumn Wed 31-Oct-12 09:28:58

The carbon footprint to make a Porche Cayenne is considerably lower than that to make a Toyota Prius, because the manufacturing is all done in one place, rather than bits being shipped all round the world before assembly.

You would have to run the pious Prius for about 15 or 20 years to overcome that original difference. So, actually, the Cayenne is at least as environmentally friendly.

(We have a 4x4, not a Cayenne, though, but I no longer feel the need to justify my decision to anyone. I am a very good and careful driver, though wink)

Mrsjay Wed 31-Oct-12 09:31:22

ours tows our caravan so I suppose it has its uses , meh if somebody wants to show off in a car says a lot about them and they are not worth worrying about

aldiwhore Wed 31-Oct-12 09:32:25

Fair point sparklingbroomstick fortunately we don't have many multi-stories here, but I did once sit behind a bloody MINI that did a 96point turn to get into a child space... I did chuckle. smile

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 09:32:46

OMG Mrsjay you have a caravan? Swanky! <runs away>

Mrsjay Wed 31-Oct-12 09:33:37

oh and dh has a van for work and I don't drive I think our carbon footprint is fine

Mrsjay Wed 31-Oct-12 09:34:19

OMG Mrsjay you have a caravan? Swanky

nO talking to me what with my 4x4 and caravan <pushes up swanky sunglasses>

WelliesAreCool Wed 31-Oct-12 09:35:48

We have a 4x4 because we're farmers so without it we'd be pretty stuck! It is in no way swanky - I don't think it's been cleaned since DS1 was born, and we've got five children now! blush

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 09:36:48

My opinion of you has changed forever Mrsjay. What a shock. grin

Mrsjay Wed 31-Oct-12 09:37:29

My opinion of you has changed forever Mrsjay. What a shock.

who knew grin

Spero Wed 31-Oct-12 09:39:14

If you need it because you live a rural lifestyle with steep hills and snow etc, then go for it.

However if you live within a mile radius of me you are an utter unmitigated pain in the arse. Soon my local streets will become unnavigable due to the increasing number of tank like vehicles parked on streets that can barely accommodate a push bike.

TheFallenMadonna Wed 31-Oct-12 09:39:21

FIL is a farmer and is always v rude about 4x4s. He drives a small hatchback. And a tractor...

freddiefrog Wed 31-Oct-12 09:41:09

We live at the end of a 3 mile long unmade track which regularly turns into an impassable mud bath and I got fed up with getting stuck in it.

We also tow a RIB

But also because a bloke locally knocks them out second hand for £1500 which was all we could really afford when we needed to buy a second car.

But actually, I don't have to justify my car choices to anyone

One of my neighbours likes to be judgemental about my car, but whose door do you think he knocks on when his Nissan Micra is stuck in the mud (again)

blibbleflop Wed 31-Oct-12 09:41:11

If it's a proper 4x4 then you're ok, there are many good reasons for having one.

If it's a Range Rover Sport or Evoque, a BMW X3, 5 or 6, a Porsche Cayenne or anything similar you just just go hang your head (and your Chelsea Tractor) in shame :P

DreamingofSummer Wed 31-Oct-12 09:43:29

and then there's the twat 4x4 mother from the local private school with one hand on her phone the other holding her coffee driving with her knees. Of course her kids are safe and fine if she has a prang.

Seen with my own eyes

Mrsjay Wed 31-Oct-12 09:44:11

tis a proper 4 X4 <holds head high > and we do live in scotland where the roads just seem to ice over for 3 months

Spero Wed 31-Oct-12 09:44:58

I am afraid that people do have to justify their car usage when their decisions have a big and unpleasant impact on their immediate neighbours. If you think you have a right to attempt to squeeze your enormous car down my narrow street, you need to examine your own narcissistic choices.

I cannot understand at all why anyone living in a city needs such a vehicle.

Spero Wed 31-Oct-12 09:47:29

O yes dreaming, I was told by one 4*4 friend that I 'had' to get such a car when I had a child for 'safety'. Managed in a polo perfectly fine. She however could only navigate the challenging terrain of Kentish Town in her quasi tank.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 09:48:34

lucky blibble is here to make a chart of what is acceptable. Why don't you make a tick list so we can know if we are allowed to keep our vehicles or not? Who actually are you? the vehicle guru?

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 09:50:11

Spero, I think most of us would avoid tiny little streety areas where you cant drive properly, estate or 4x4.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 09:50:38

And if it's white blibble that is not acceptable. wink Because it does look very silly.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 09:51:14

says the style guru who hates clothes, bags, shoes and cars...

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 09:51:43

spero i dont have to justify my choices to anyone! We have a range rover sport. We dont live anywhere hilly or snowy, in fact we live inside the m25.

We like it, We could not give a fig what people like YOU think! smile

JakeBullet Wed 31-Oct-12 09:51:58

YANBU but I will continue to judge those who drive them in urban areas and slow down to go over pot holes or speed bumps (rolls eyes).

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 09:52:25

I don't hate anything. confused I just stand on the sidelines being bemused by people's tastes. grin

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 09:52:49

Anyway white would be silly in the snow.....

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 09:54:16

Well I sometimes judge fuzzy haired middle aged women in crap clothes and wonder why they don't want to look nice. Radars as you said.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 09:54:43

If you don't live rurally and you have a 4x4, you are a selfish wanker

But tis true, you don't need to justify your vehicle choice to anyone

Nuttyfilly Wed 31-Oct-12 09:55:54

No would be jealous of my deffender lol it's a proper farm wagon! More mud on it than a field covered with feed sacks usually got a few dogs in the back or some times a calf or sheep, I think I get more funny looks and my son goes to a village school! I do like a good laugh when people really struggle to park them though!

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 09:56:16

Procrasstinator tis true i am a selfish wanker! grin - but meh! i dont care!

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 09:56:48

I think people who cram their children into crappo shit heaps and cover the rear window with stickers are selfish wankers. I don't want to be stuck behind a child filled micra on the motorway thanks and I will overtake you.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 09:57:26

I don't care either, the clue is in the selfish! At least we look nice and are safe from the crappo micra unsafe car brigade.

Aboutlastnight Wed 31-Oct-12 09:59:27

I hate them ever since having to endure my entire street clogged up with BMW, AlfaRomeo, Porsche 4x4s dropping their kids at the private school.

The drivers do not look for my children walking along the pavement. They do crazy reversing on to pavement, park on corners making it impossible for my children to cross the road safely, their vehicles are so enormous they seem unable to see around them

These people do not trail in from the Scottish highlands, they live in the surrounding suburbs of our city. Two years ago these incredibly heavy cars could not cope with snow and ice and were skidding and getting stuck on the hill.

I hate them.

Aboutlastnight Wed 31-Oct-12 10:00:20

They are also very vulgar.

We don't live in the countryside but DH works in the countryside, can we keep our 4x4?

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 10:06:01

theodorakis excatly! overtake? its a 4x4 just drive over the top! grin

aboutlastnight your kids go to private school and you dont drive a 4x4? oh dear there is always one who lets the side down private school and you call them kids, not children! shock

OwedToAutumn Wed 31-Oct-12 10:20:10

Was the private school there before you moved in aboutlastnight, or after.

We looked at our dream house a few years ago, but ruled it out partly because it was right next to a private school, and we knew that we would be constantly blocked in by people dropping their DC at the school. Some even in 4x4s! <gasp>

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 10:23:21

I like to think of my hair as curly rather than 'fuzzy' Theo. sad

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 10:25:30

I'm intrigued as to how theo knows what sparklings hair is like?!

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 10:25:52

brr, I have flattened a few discarded bikes in my time. The rule is if you leave your bike on the ground in the drive or car port it may get reversed over. Satisfyingly flattened at that.

Aboutlastnight Wed 31-Oct-12 10:26:56

The school recently expanded to include a primary -sorry prep school which obviously means more traffic. The senior school kids use school buses, subway etc

We go to the local school -yes, we are 'the locals' It's a bit like that Katherine Tate sketch grin

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 10:29:07

theodorakis i think we would get on very well! i am so jealous! wish i had flattened a bike or two! might have to accidently -- no purpose-- leave some bikes in careless places!

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 10:29:19

I am not attacking sparkling. I am just saying that we can all throw judgemental and bitchy self righteous stuff around telling others how to live.
i am sure sparkling is lovely and has nice hair, my point is why would it be fair to judge any person on what they have or what they wear? I find being called a selfish wanker quite offensive, you people don't know the first thing about me. I had a very very serious accident a few years ago, I only survived because of my lovely old truck being strong enough. I have stared death in the face and chosen to ensure i am safe. i really don't deserve to be called random names by random people. Otherwise we would both be dead and that would apparently be better for our family? Yes, I hear your care system is so trustworthy.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 10:30:21

Actually i do know sparkling is lovely from mn!

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 10:41:16

Do I need to read the other thread?

valiumredhead Wed 31-Oct-12 10:42:46

I need mine and don't need to justify it to anyone.

OldCatLady Wed 31-Oct-12 10:56:55

On the school run, I am often the ONLY non 4x4 in the car park. Every single one is black or white, I stick out like a sore thumb :D do not live in country, no hills, no farmers, they just like their 4x4's around here!

And a few parents (on celeb in particular) at the school have asked me why I don't have a 4x4, I asked them why they had one? No answer.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 11:05:15

People that get hit by 4x4s don't come off so well though huh? If you want to swap emotional stories.....

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 11:22:01

So we should drive aveos in case we hit someone? Great argument. Actually there are very few pedestrians where I live. And no cyclists. One of the reasons it is such a nice place to live.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 11:23:28

I would never, ever, ever put my family in a low down bendy chasis car, any more than I would let them play with matches in bed. I am just glad I can afford to have a safe car that looks good and keeps us alive.

EuroShagmore Wed 31-Oct-12 11:29:57

We're about to get one. We live in London. I don't give a cr@p what anyone thinks about our decision.

We have made this choice because: it is about the only car we can agree on and this will be our first joint purchase (OH is about to learn to drive) and we both shoot at weekends and end up down unmade roads or parking in muddy fields, etc. But most people who see us loading up the boot at Sainsbos won't know that. Who cares what they think though?

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 11:30:51

euro, they won't like the shooting either wink

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 11:32:49

there are loads of people where i live. i am not responsable for other people! take responsability!

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 11:34:10

i dont like shooting.... but that is another thread! grin i will be your 4x4 friend on this thread though!

EuroShagmore Wed 31-Oct-12 11:59:23

I only shoot targets, not animals (does that help, or is it an anti-gun thing?).

geegee888 Wed 31-Oct-12 12:12:27

file DH reckons that anyone who doesnt live in a rural area and drives a 4x4 (particular culprits are the BMW X5 and the Porsche Cayenne) may as well add a bumper sticker saying 'I know nothing about cars' to complete the look.

Your DH sounds particularly unworldy then.

What about people like me who live in modern housing estates on the edge of cities who have to feed their horses and tow things? Do you think the horses feed themselves when the roads are impassable due to deep snow and ice? Even getting into the city in winter where I live requires a 4 x 4 at times.

IMHO small cars which are traded in every couple of years and scrap after 8 years or so are more harmful to the environment than a prestige larger luxury vehicle which might well be going strong 12 years or so later.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 12:17:56

Like I said, selfish wankers

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 13:44:48

They are not suitable for built up suburban areas and cause inconvenience to other road users. They also put other people at risk because they block drivers' views in car parks and at junctions and would have a huge impact if they hit a person or another car. That is why people give out about them. It has nothing to do with being judgmental.
If people want to use them in areas where they are necessary or they can be used without inconveniencing others then fair enough.

filetheflightoffancy Wed 31-Oct-12 14:06:24

Well Geegee, dh does have 13 years experience in the automotive industry and is generally obsessed with all things cars, but hey ho!

I get that if you live down a 10 mile dirt track which is under 5ft of snow for 6 months of the year then yes, a 4x4 can come in handy. If you don't live rurally, then you are buying this sort of car for other (perfectly valid) reasons, but 'need' is not one of them.

And it is bollocks that your children will not be safe in a non 4x4 car either. It's not a case of if they are not strapped into a nice range rover they are rattling around in the back of a death trap. There are loads of perfectly safe cars so again if you want a 4x4 of course that's fine and your choice (despite what dh says I think they are rather lovely actually!) but you don't 'need' one!

Like another poster my grandad was a farmer, he had a tractor and a vw polo, not a 4x4 to be found amongst him or the surrounding farmers.

filetheflightoffancy Wed 31-Oct-12 14:16:41

Also, where are these places that the majority of the posters on this thread live that the weather would actually affect what car you buy?

Unless everyone is living in rural scotland or higher ground in northern england, surely in an average year you don't get more than a few days of very severe snow, hardly a lifestyle which warrants a certain type of vehicle for year round use?

I used to work with a guy who bought a land rover so that he could cope in the snow. Now to be fair he did live fairly rurally, but where we live we get what, 2 or 3 days of severe snow here a year?

HiggsBoson Wed 31-Oct-12 14:21:26

I'm sure many 4X4 drivers have them for good reason and drive responsibly.

However I do find tat they can be driven very menacingly and they do block my view completely when trying to get out of parking spaces.

As someone who drives a second hand hatchback I am of the belief that many people do drive these massive cars doso as a symbol of wealth.

Of course they will deny it wink

prudencesmom Wed 31-Oct-12 14:49:32

4x4= Royal family or Ulrika

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 14:54:25

i wont deny it higgs our 4X4 was very expensive and my DH is on a very good wage, so obviously it is a sign of wealth.

so what? we can afford it!

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 15:30:01

some people (wanker callers) deserve to be menaced.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 15:36:29

Oh I missed this thread too busy swanking it up in my 4x4

<settles down with cup of tea to read it>

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 15:36:34

I live in a city and IMO there is no need to have a 4x4 if you live in one, unless your elderly mother lives in the middle of Dartmoor.

The huge BMW, Porsche, Audis and VWs are by far the worst, usually accompanied by idiots in hunting jackets or 'designer' wear. [shudder] They also think they own the road.

I, as a blanket rule, instantly hate anyone that drives an X6.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 15:40:47

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Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 15:41:00

Women in high heels and shades who trundle up to the school in a big juggernaut so that Posy and Rosie will be as safe as houses and
mummy wants to show off are twats.

If you live half way up a mountain or regulary tow horseboxes around or get snowed in for weeks every year that is different and not twattish showing off.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 15:41:10


thebody Wed 31-Oct-12 15:41:24

Childminders, large families, disabled dependants, running business so needs lots of boot space for samples, boxes!!

Oh and by the way. Mind your own business....

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 15:43:16

What's wrong with people carriers thebody? They have plenty of space but aren't as bulky and vision obscuring as 4x4s.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 15:43:46

I have two monster trucks and I wouldn't be seen dead doing the school run every day. Anyone who thinks hanging around outside their kid's school to socialise/show off needs to get a life of their own, Range Rover, Micra or 2CbloodyV

naturalbaby Wed 31-Oct-12 15:45:30

I love my massive 4x4. I love it even more when everyone moans about the snow and crappy winter weather. I'd love to replace it but can't find anything with a heated steering wheel and heated seats boot big enough for work - we even looked at a VW van last week and the 'boot' wasn't big enough.

I offset my shiny 4x4 with 2nd hand kids clothes, poundland and lidl.

prudencesmom Wed 31-Oct-12 15:46:09

....and the Hunter wellies for wallies and the Barbour wax jackets for numpties <boak>
Made In Chelsea <tractor......> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!


PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 15:47:06

Large families would be fucking idiots to get a 4x4, total space wasters.

No, it's not okay to call me an idiot for caring about the planet and not wanting people in pedestrian killings to drive around needlessly in cities.

And noone mentioned rich people, I can almost guarantee that 'rich people' are not wearing 'designer' (hugely labelled clothing) and driving around oin a city in a 4x4 unless they are pretty thick. (there are loads of them)

And I'm not poor, I have a large family and would never drive a 4x4 as they're all too small for us.

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 15:48:32

And if you drive one of those god awful American massive pick ups you should be forced to emigrate to where the car was made.

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 15:49:04

pedestrian killing machines...

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 15:52:32

naturalbaby I love that too. When you can drive carefully on the snow and ice, desperately trying to avoid the fucker driver sliding and skidding all over the place.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 15:55:11

But you're ok with people like me who has one that lives in a semi rural area to get my dc to school in during all weathers?

Does that suit you?

And pedestrian killing machines? Surely that is cars in general. hmm

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 15:55:37

Again, I can also call people idiots because I think they have twattish views. I just have a much nicer car. You shouldn't be allowed to go round calling people names for the car they drive, it isn't nice to be called a stupid wanker idiot is it?
Oh, and laugh at them as well for their shit little cars. Again, as long as it is at the rich successful persons expense it's acceptable.

prudencesmom Wed 31-Oct-12 15:55:55

Yeah and it snows 365 so that really matters .......
Any more pathetic defences???
<curls up for a nap>

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Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 15:57:42


But I love it when it does.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 15:58:30

Yes because all rich people have big families. Hardly a badge of success.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 15:59:30

Stop the madness!!!!

naturalbaby Wed 31-Oct-12 16:05:36

of course it doesn't snow 365 days a year, it's just one of dozens of reasons why we chose it - top one being because we could and wanted to and have a large family and didn't want a people carrier.

I quite fancy a Barbour wax jacket and Hunter wellies to go with my 4x4, perfect for standing at the side of the muddy football field on Saturday morning, and when it gets too cold we can sit in the boot.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 16:08:20

Why does nobody in RL ever say they don't believe in 4x4's or private schools to me?

I like a good argument wink

People are far more polite in RL though as opposed to the gobshites posters on here wink

LineRunner Wed 31-Oct-12 16:10:09

Am I allowed to judge based on the comments of the 4x4 owners on this thread? grin

prudencesmom Wed 31-Oct-12 16:11:05

Oh and dont forget to cover it in shit, looks more authentic <boak>

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 16:12:25

Mine is covered in shit -- because it's not been washed since about April--

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 16:12:52

My Dad got himself a personalised plate Ever. Did I say anything? No I did not. The place for that debate is on MN not in RL. grin

TheOriginalSteamingNit Wed 31-Oct-12 16:13:21

YANBU, I'm sure they don't.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 16:15:05

grin now I don't have a private reg, but each to their own.

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 16:15:35

theo. Really? You have a much nicer car than who? me? There is no nicer car than a Viano.

And tests prove that 4x4s are far more likely to kill pedestrians.

TBH Theo, I doubt very much that you are rich....crass? oh yes.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 16:16:15

Exactly Ever. And my Dad is really happy with it, he deserves whatever he wants.

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 16:18:39

My husband would have a vogue, if I allowed it, but then he is from the Midlands.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 16:19:03

Jeez posy you need to calm down love.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 16:20:44

What's wrong with the Midlands then? grin

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 16:20:44

Your dh would have a vogue if you allowed it posy?

If I told my dh what car he could have he would tell me to get bent and vice versa.

He needs to grow a pair.

LineRunner Wed 31-Oct-12 16:22:50

I would quite like posy to teach me to drive. I think she would be firm but fair. smile

sadie3 Wed 31-Oct-12 16:25:51

Range Rovers are the best cars on the road IMO classy,comfortable and safe. I wonder what car the people slagging them off drive.....

LineRunner Wed 31-Oct-12 16:27:24

Nicer ones?

sadie3 Wed 31-Oct-12 16:28:01

Like what?

LineRunner Wed 31-Oct-12 16:32:02

My daddy's got a Porche.

sadie3 Wed 31-Oct-12 16:34:09

and my DH has a Mclaren its the most revolting car on the planet along with porches !

LineRunner Wed 31-Oct-12 16:47:27

Will you teach me to drive, sadie? (I nearly typed 'dribble' then.) smile You'd like me when you got to know me.

Tbh I currently favour the hoop and stick. I am saving up for a train ticket for Christmas.

DH has one on order but won't be here until after Christmas - we live in the country at the top of a big hill and he is terrified about not being able to get to the train station at 5am each day. I didn't realise people were openly hostile about other people's car choices.

He does have a Barbour for dog walking but likes muckboots - says Hunters have been taken over by city dwellers.

Is this not just about jealousy - it seems that so many people are resentful of what others have rather than being content with their lot.

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Wed 31-Oct-12 17:01:45

Not all but most of them, it is a case of trying to show off to neighbors, friends and other parents on the school run. They are no safer and are more dangerous to other road users and pedestrians. I live in the middle of no where and survive just fine without a 4x4. Lets hope they go out of fashion soon esp the white ones which look like something off The only way is Essex.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 17:09:22

But surely it's just how you perceive it.

If someone on my street or at school got a new range rover I wouldn't think they were showing off. How could I assume that in just one action. That would be insane.

To me it just screams of resentfulness.

I would never justify to anyone why I have one.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 17:12:24

I can honestly say since I joined MN I have never given so much thought to so many things that don't really matter. It's bizarre. sad

Annunziata Wed 31-Oct-12 17:13:32

We (well, DH) has one. He also has a personalised plate.

So what. We have 6 DC, we need the space. He likes it. There's a lot worse things that he could spend his money on.

Do I judge your cars? No.

thebody Wed 31-Oct-12 17:17:05

Don't get the obsession with someone else's car. My dsis always chides my ' midlands' dh and my 'brummie' ( saying that as posie thinks its relevant not sure why) 4x4.

She takes at least 4 flights a year but then is a no it all hypocrite..

Can't stand people carries as hate the noise the doors make when shutting.

I love my 4x4 but no longer need it for business as given up child minding and two older kids left home so don't need all the space.

Lot of judgy pants.

Posie you sound like a shit driver chik!!!

sadie3 Wed 31-Oct-12 17:20:57

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate I can honestly say,hand on heart that not once in my life have I ever even given thought to what the Mums at school think about my 4x4. I really dont care what other people do in their lives or how others spend their money, I am quite supprised that you would even think that someone would buy a car to show off to people at school.
I am not an envious person If I see someone happy or doing well I am genuinely pleased for them.
It must be so awful to judge people instantly by the car they drive rather than getting to know them first.

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 17:21:47

Grow a pair? I don't tend to spend time with people who say such sexist bilgegrin

Tailtwister Wed 31-Oct-12 17:23:04

YANBU. 4x4's definitely have their uses and I wouldn't be beyond having one myself if funds allowed.

However, it does make me smirk a bit when they all sweep into the school car park each morning, all black and shiny. It's a bit like a scene in '24', when a diplomat is getting transported. All the drivers are immaculate and tiny and look like they'll need to parachute out!

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 17:23:33

Hmm. I don't tend to spend time with women who tell their other halves what cars they can and cannot have wink

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 17:24:38

Ffs I was being tongue in cheek about the Midlands. The new money, richer than yow stuff is entirely a well founded stereotypegrin. I can't help but judge people who needlessly consume fuel.

Sparklingbroomstick Wed 31-Oct-12 17:26:45

My sanity has just asked me to hide this thread.

careful4x4driver Wed 31-Oct-12 17:29:08

The thought of people having them to show off is quite bizarre to me but perhaps that's because we live in a very affluent area where every other car is a porsche, merc, audi, bmw.

We have an X5. Don't shoot me but we will actually have two in a couple of weeks time, for about 6 weeks, until one is returned. We don't own them so really there is nothing to show off about. We have no choice about it either - we need a 7 seater and dh works for the company.

Not sure why people think X5s aren't proper 4x4s. BMW used to own landrover so I'm pretty sure the technology is the same!

On the subject of parking, it is the easiest car I have ever parked - it has a rear camera and ones under the wing mirrors so it's very easy to line up mid-space or parallel to the kerb.

careful4x4driver Wed 31-Oct-12 17:30:58

Should also have said - fuel consumption is better than the MPV we used to have before

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Wed 31-Oct-12 17:37:31

careful4x4driver very glad you live in such a posh area where everyone drives porsche, merc, audi, bmw, nothing like a good stealth boast

I have a big golden one.

I also live in the middle of nowhere and have horses.

I also wear my designer sunglasses what driving it to town to meet friends for lunch

I also have the back windows tinted - so people can admire the blonde in the front, but can't see the DCs in the back gringrin wink

while driving


what driving


theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 17:48:51

Ever long, if a random in real life called me a wanker or idiot I would be even less polite. I would probably thump them.

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Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 18:10:21

<stamps foot> I want a bloody maid.


theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 18:11:22

There's a lot of money in oil and gas

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 18:11:59

She is ace, we are so lucky

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Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 18:18:34

Don't justify yourself Theo people work hard, some take risks to make their money, yes some are lucky and have it handed to them, but they are a minority.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 18:21:02

I started as a nhs staff nurse and have worked unbelievably hard to be successful in the oil industry. I am lucky as well, things come along at the right time.

EugenesAxe Wed 31-Oct-12 18:25:40

Well it's a tough one. I am sometimes tempted because of the fact that I'd quite like to be able to operate in snow, and it can get a bit nasty where we are (inexplicably, because it's not the back of beyond or anything).

On the other hand I do often get a Idol-sneer on when I see any female 4x4 driver who needs to take about a foot of my side of the road in order to drive the thing. More so if they are blonde and perfect looking shoot me.

sadie3 Wed 31-Oct-12 18:27:16

Oh dear Theodorakis, your not an expat are you?

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Wed 31-Oct-12 18:31:28

My god lots of boasting on here have you noticed the ones with money don't need to show off. A bit crass

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Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 18:35:18

People are stating facts they are not boasting. Stop feeling so inferior.

careful4x4driver Wed 31-Oct-12 18:36:37

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate - I have no more need to boast about where I live than about what car I drive! It is affluent - it's a fact, and people who are rich (not us but lots of those around are) don't seem to need to have a car to show off with.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 18:38:02

I wasn't born earning a lot. We found life intolerable, made a plan and followed our ambitions until we had got what we wanted. Most of my life has been hard financially until now. Nobody helped me work my way up.

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Wed 31-Oct-12 18:38:26

I'm certainty not feeling inferior at no time did I say this. How much you earn is not relevant. You could easily say you are comfortably off. Not a list of how much you earn and the benefits you get. People with money feel no need to go on about it.

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Wed 31-Oct-12 18:39:38

Great glad you and others have done well, bit shallow to talk about first class flights maids etc

Tailtwister Wed 31-Oct-12 18:48:01

I really don't think it's about how much people earn. The wealthiest person I know drives a knackered Volvo.

Cars are seen as a show of wealth, that's a fact. Some people like to use a car to show they are well off, just like clothes, handbags etc. good luck to them I say, especially if they have worked hard for it.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 18:53:56

Those knackered volvo's are everywhere! wink

What's wrong with having a housekeeper? confused

defineme Wed 31-Oct-12 19:03:02

My friend made me laugh yesterday. We were laughing because we couldn't see his car in the car park because it's so small and when I got in he said 'the smaller the car the bigger the cock' grin

Ime properly really posh stately home type people drive crap cars and wear ancient clothes.

My car cost £1000 5 years ago and I can get my 3 kids in it/get to work/get to the other end of the country in it and it costs £38 to fill up... Just think those of you spending £115 to fill up(really?) what you could spend the money on. It's an old Honda civic btw.

If I ever have money left over after holidays and so on I've always dreamed of a smart car after I saw someone parking in a tiny space, but that would mean leaving the kids behind of course.

If you love your car that's really lovely , I just coudn't care less about them.

panicnotanymore Wed 31-Oct-12 19:09:08

I have come to the conclusion that there are people in this world who spend their entire life sneering at others for all manner of reasons, and two of the biggest crimes would appear to be 1. having a big car, and 2. being wealthy. It is absolutely fine to make a big deal out of how hard up you are, but hinting at wealth - big mistake.

It comes across as a nasty kind of inverse snobbery.

My background is not wealthy, not even close, and our cars were old wrecks. I am better off now than as a child, but no one gave me anything.... I worked for it. So shoot me.

Woozley Wed 31-Oct-12 19:16:13

I dislike the fact there are so many of them as now there are, unneccessarily, far more high vehicles on the road which means less visibility and space for other drivers, especially when parking next to one or on narrow country lanes where normally sized vehicle could fit past one another. I can see, though, why some owners have them as they are clearly too large to fit into a normal car...wink

I don't mind the smaller more economical types or if you have a proper one for a purpose like a Landrover Discovery.

Plus the fact they are not so rare or impressive now as a status symbol being as every other Tom Dick or Harriet has one. But I like the fact I can actually find my own red estate car in the car park easily because so many cars look like some kind of jeep and are black or silver.

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Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 19:52:40

Fucking hell posy. I can say what I like cos you won't see it.

In no way did Theo come across as anybody being beneath her, she was stating a fact. She wasn't born with money but worked hard in an industry that pays extremely well with added extras to boot.

You come across as very jealous, and not happy about anyone having more money than you.

sadie3 Wed 31-Oct-12 19:57:50

I think its because Theo mentions it on every thread..... It reminds me of Harry Enfield "We are considerably more wealthy than you" sketch

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 19:58:16

That has got to be one of the ugliest things I've read from one poster to another as well.

Horrible person.

PosieParker Wed 31-Oct-12 20:06:54

Shit forgot to hide it.

Do you know she's got more money than me or do you make an assumption?

And really not liking 4x4s is not jealousy at all or I would hate lots of expensive cars, 4x4s (without a bit of rural) are crass, usually the same sort of people driving a city 4x4 dresses their kids in Dior.....massively branded and labelled crap.

filetheflightoffancy Wed 31-Oct-12 20:09:25

Jaysus, it has got personal here since I last looked at this thread!

I am going to promote harmony again by showing you something that I think we can all agree is a fucking abomination

The BMW X6

I know someone who has got one of these and it is just an unbelievable mountain of ugly. The guy who has it fits every single stereotype of a person you would imagine owns this car, and to top it all off he got it spray painted matte black

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 20:15:29

We are not envious. We just don't like them confused

seriously, you couldn't pay me to drive one

you really believe the reason people object to 4x4s because they are jealous?? confused

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 20:17:09

I don't care if you have more money.

I do care about your personal insults and vile comments in every one of your posts.

Just read them back to yourself.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 20:18:54

2/6 of my posts contain insults...the same insult actually
and i stand by it

Eve Wed 31-Oct-12 20:22:44

Oh dear,

I have a 4x4, an Audi estate, wear a barbour and have hunter wellies.

Though... I also have 3 horses, tow a massive trailer plus 2 horses somewhere most weekends, the hunters were on 1/2 price in tkmax and have actual real mud on them. Probably horse shit as well.

I also towed a lorry out of a field recently when it was stuck, was very proud of myself! In fact most weekends this year I've had to use 4wheel drive.

Its a massive 4x4, I can actually Parallel park it and can reverse said massive horse trailer a 90degree angle round a corner.

A parking space is no problem.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 20:25:10

thats what they are for though eve

i actually have a landrover, in a different country, because it is a mountainous area with no paved roads

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 20:25:13

I'm referring to posie.

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Eve Wed 31-Oct-12 20:36:30

Don't get me started on people driving right up tight behind me when I'm towing!!

Mainly non 4x4 drivers!!! :-)

I tow at 50 max or the as don't want to risk snaking etc with horses on board, I also avoid late brakeing so slow down gradually to turns etc, The number of cars and lorries that sit inches of the trailer is astonishing!

This weekend on a dual carrigeway, with plenty of room to overtake.... I still had cars tight behind me.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 21:37:49

I stand by my point that I am not tolerating being called names because I have an expensive car. I don't actually care about an individual on a forum but I hate the way mn encourages bullying as long as the person is not poor. It's bollocks and if someone calls me a wanker because of my car I think they are a wanker. It's time people were held to account for their vile inverse snobbish bullying. I have only been playing with this to prove a point and am not embarrassed to reveal my achievements when directly challenged by a bully. I never name change and stand by the comments I make. I also never get comments deleted because I am not a vile bully.

theodorakis Wed 31-Oct-12 21:42:32

Except now but that is because I have chosen to retaliate against the nastiness and play along. So tedious, there must be more interesting things to do than hate people.

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 21:46:50

Bemused by the amount of posters saying 'what business is it of any one else's what I drive? You're just jealous and resent people who have worked hard and are now comfortably off' when so many other posters have clearly stated the valid reasons they find 4x4s annoying ie
Getting in other people's way on narrow suburban roads
Blocking people's views when trying to exit parking spaces
Posing a bigger danger than other cars in collisions

I have not seen one poster put up a valid defence against these points.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 21:55:35

there are plenty of very good reasons for disapproving of 4x4s. IMO if you choose to own a 4x4 in a city, then you have made a selfish decision. IMO people who act in such a selfish way with little social/environmental conscience, are wankers

why do you care if i think you are a wanker?

one lone voice, hardly amounts to bullying

I find the ownership of 4x4s by people in cities who don't need them, massively offensive. I don't care how much they cost or how much money you have.

IMO opposing 4x4s is a valid waste of time

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 21:56:43

you had comments deleted on this thread theo confused

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 22:01:27

Yes you did Theo - a particularly nasty and personal attack on an individual poster.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 22:03:10

But some of us don't live in a city.

Some of us live in semi rural areas that are quite treacherous in winter. Some of us need to get out of our villages everyday to get children to school.

I've done in a normal car and it was hell. Very frightening for me and ds.

But when I gave this reason I was slated.

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 22:05:36

But what about all the other posters who just go 'what business is it of anyone's what I drive' when people have clearly stated why it is 'their business'. That's what I can't understand. It's as if two parallel discussions are going on here.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 22:11:14

What about them?

I can't answer for anyone but myself.

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 22:14:57

But you answered a post where I asked that question???

naturalbaby Wed 31-Oct-12 22:15:35

I find the bmw x6 offensive
and various other silly cars that are not driven for the purpose they were built for.
If we all kept to our own little patch of tarmac and didn't drive into anything/anyone then what would be the problem?

I'm sure there was peace and loving on the last 4x4 thread I was on.

thanks anyone?

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 22:19:10

Yes, about my circumstances.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 22:33:59

i grew up and spent most of my life in villlages; i would question how many people really need 4x4s

but it is more persuasive; the dangers of parking/obstructing are less and pedestrian hazard less etc

i also take issue with townies taking 4x4s out in treachorous conditions; they aint invincible

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 22:52:08

Let's face it. For many people 4x4s have just become the latest fashionable 'must have' and those people will ignore any annoyance or risk or inconvenience they're causing anyone else because 'they're worth it'.
Personally I think people driving these around the suburbs look as inappropriate as someone walking across a field in six inch heels and a cocktail dress.

If people want to look like knobs fine, that's their decision. But if, in the process, they're causing me inconvenience then I am perfectly entitled to comment.

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 22:56:22

I'm sure what you are calling them wouldn't even cross their radar.

Save your angst on something that matters.

DialsMavis Wed 31-Oct-12 22:58:12

We quite often use one, it belongs to DPs company and he has to use it for a few days so brings it home, or we borrow it to go to Ikea or the tip. Everyone does look at you like you are an arsehole. We had filthy looks from all our previous neighbours... They were all strangely quite happy to be towed out the snow though grin

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 22:58:20

Oh, but it does matter to me if I can't see when exiting a car parking space. You see I might crash into someone or hit a small child or something. To me that is actually more important than the kind of car I drive.

Fuck me sideways. I wasn't going to seriously enter this debate because it's shit and flawed.

But people who are slating 4x4s in any circumstance?

Try living 2 miles from the nearest shop - when your village floods so badly that people canoe down your lane. And it also suffers with treacherous snow and ice. And you have toddlers. And possibly elderly parents that stay regularly???

Good luck in your fucking smart cars angry

brandysoakedbitch Wed 31-Oct-12 23:00:51

I have a minging old Landy. I wear sunglasses when I drive it, I certainly swank about and I do spit at the little people as I go.

Oh - and my elderly parents live on a hill in the suburbs of London. There was no way they could have got to a shop for days when the snow hit badly a couple of years ago - unless I had managed to get there in my 4x4.

So maybe some 'townies' do them too!

<blood boils>

<eats a Valium>

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 23:01:27

EuroShagmore phew! you can be my friend, it is a shooting animals thing. i work in customer services so i would LOVE a gun! grin

threesocksonathreeleggedwitch Wed 31-Oct-12 23:02:37

do not judge.
I did I used to take the piss out of drivers of these things until.....
it snowed, dd(disabled wheelchair user) got stuck miles away at respite....
school bus company would not go and get her.
I couldn't as ....well if the roads are that bad....
she was stuck.
I rang children's disability ss.
a really nice man with a 4x4 came and picked dh up and went and got her home.
I do not take the piss now

You just keep putting your DCs in a tuba can for the school run - and patting yourselves on the back for you frugality and teeny tiny carbon footprint.

I'm all right Jack, driving my DCs round in my safe as houses car. I'll still sleep well Ta.

Jusfloatingby Wed 31-Oct-12 23:04:48

But that's the kind of thing they're meant to be used for threesocks.

Tuba can? Arf grin

Tuna can even....

Good grief I've never been so frothy. I better have another Valium wink

Everlong Wed 31-Oct-12 23:10:52

I like your posts cat actually made me laugh.

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 23:13:42

"And tests prove that 4x4s are far more likely to kill pedestrians."
PosieParker going on some of the comments on here- good! think we may need a few more 4x4s! grin

JESUS! there are so many bloody loons out tonight! who bloody cares what others drive?! I am sure if people we not so bloody nosey and judgemental then mumsnet would be a much nicer place. As it is I think most of you non 4X4 drivers are mental.

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 23:19:29

haha...well following some of yous logic, you have nothing to worry about; we non-4x4s will be extinct soon, what with our death trap vehicles and our inability to get to school/the shops for what, 2 weeks of the year tops

Procrasstinator Wed 31-Oct-12 23:20:18

"And tests prove that 4x4s are far more likely to kill pedestrians."
PosieParker going on some of the comments on here- good! think we may need a few more 4x4s!

nice sentiment

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 31-Oct-12 23:22:40

oh thanks god for that procrasstinator was getting a bit sick and tired of having to look out for your tiny shit cars, children on the pavements and just general pedestrians throwing themselves under my HUGE car.

Hey procrasstinator?

Heard of the Green Cross Code?

Might be a nice stocking filler for your DCs

PickledFanjoCat Wed 31-Oct-12 23:29:24

I got a punto.

I've added go faster stripes and a machine gun nest on the top to give me an edge.

Procrasstinator Thu 01-Nov-12 00:15:20

I'm not sure what you meant by that last comment cat. Are you trying to make a joke about the possibility of my children being run over? confused

We have a Disco. We need it. Without it we are unable to do certain things we need to. End of.

I have Hunter wellies. I need them. Other wellies don't give the support Hunter's do, nor the comfort - and when you are walking miles every day through mud or snow a £10 pair from Asda won't cut it. Or last. Hunter'slast for years of daily wear. It's that simple.

I'm also blonde (natural) and I have sunglasses which I wear if it's sunny, even if I'm driving.

I'm fine with our choices - they are best options for the life we lead.

I'm just pointing out how absurd your argument is.

Surely you're more likely to be killed if you are hit by a bus than if you're hit by a 4x4. But I can't here you laying in to bus users. Telling them they're ridiculous and should be biking/walking.

Same with lorries - why don't you write to Eddie Stobart and demand that he upgrades his fleet to Nissan Micras.

And motorhome users.

And horse box drivers.

You know your argument is daft.

theodorakis Thu 01-Nov-12 04:59:05

It doesn't really matter anyway, nobody says this to people's faces in the real world. These threads are only created to make trouble. Pedestrian killers is just as ludicrous as saying if you vote conservative you want children to suffer. It's really very childish and stupid.

brrbrrwinteriscoming Thu 01-Nov-12 06:50:50

indeed theo, no one in real life has said anything to me. I think this thread has shown some people up to be quite mental.

Procrasstinator Thu 01-Nov-12 06:54:47

People tell this to 4x4 owners all the time in EL. There are lobbies and protests and activists.

Comparing buses and lorries with 4x4s is itself a ridiculous arguement

brrbrrwinteriscoming Thu 01-Nov-12 07:00:39

ah! see us 4X4 owners probably have not noticed any lobies/protests and activists becasue our cars are SO big and so HUGE we probably just run straight over them all and didn not even realise! whoopsie! hmm

Nobody's ever told me in RL.

But I don't surround myself with judgemental, pious nobbers.

My argument is valid. My 4x4 is as essential to me as the bus is to the little old lady at the end of your road.

Different folks have differing needs. That's life.

Jusfloatingby Thu 01-Nov-12 10:53:54

Blimey wouldn't like to meet some of these 4x4 drivers on a narrow road. Talk about aggressive shock.

naturalbaby Thu 01-Nov-12 13:27:19

<catches up with the madness>
So now it seems it's 4x4 owners fault if a non 4x4 driver has an accident because there was a 4x4 in the vicinity?
Comparing buses and lorries is to illustrate that 4x4's are not the largest vehicle on the road, and most of you seem to manage to share the roads perfectly well with them.

prudencesmom Thu 01-Nov-12 14:11:14

Discos, Landys Rangies ARRRGGGHHHH
Such twatty offensive language.

naturalbaby Thu 01-Nov-12 14:47:40

tis a language of love.
If you're going to drive a 4x4 then at least buy british and get a proper landy.

Pootles2010 Thu 01-Nov-12 14:48:11

If you think thats offensive language you haven't been on mn long enough.

salemsparklys Thu 01-Nov-12 14:57:52

Live in the country and have horses so have a 4x4

Kethryveris Thu 01-Nov-12 15:00:37

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

naturalbaby Thu 01-Nov-12 15:08:03

DH's christmas wish list: snorkel and winch.
My christmas wish list: a slightly more comfy interior so I can't see the road between the panels of the vehicle I'm sitting in.

prudencesmom Thu 01-Nov-12 15:13:32

We need to do a petition to get these Shit Tanks off the town and city roads!
Jeremy Clarkson will you help us?
I was beginning to think a Disco was one of those partymobiles that are used for stag and hens. Shame its not, then you could have been redeemed a bit grin

Procrasstinator Thu 01-Nov-12 15:34:58

A bus transports hundreds of people a day, substantionally reducing traffic and associated emissions

They also don't park up and down narrow urban residential streets, outside schools and in car parks

That is an entirely different arguement to what you were spounting upthread though.

You were ranting about what how 4x4s are the biggest killing machines on the road.

It wasn't about emissions or parking smile

You were ranting about the 4x4 driving atrocious cunts who go around mowing down pedestrians smile

Procrasstinator Sat 03-Nov-12 17:45:28

You misrepresent me- I haven't actually specified my arguement, and I haven't ranted.

It's about balancing benefits and risks for 4x4s and buses, and other vehicles of you like.

I've never come across anyone unable to grasp this,before, no matter how pro 4x4 they have been.

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googleberry Sun 04-Nov-12 09:32:00

I used to drive one I loved it I didn't need it we live on an estate! It went because it was too expensive to run, we still talk about our 4x4 with fond memories! ;)

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