to not make DD wear a brace? (More of a WWYD rather than an AIBU)

(89 Posts)
MardyBra Wed 17-Oct-12 21:20:30

What is it with all the braces at the moment? Every other teenager seems to have them even when they seem to have perfectly acceptable teeth. In my day the only kid in the class with braces was the one with Bugs Bunny teeth sticking out at a 45 degree angle. Are we becoming overinfluenced by the American ideal of perfect gnashers?

Anyway DD's NHS dentist seems to think her teeth are perfectly fine. But I would bet my bottom dollar that if I took her private, the dentist would tell me that her top teeth stick out (couple of millimetres at the most) and would need fixing otherwise she'd be at a serious disadvantage her for the rest of her life and never get a decent job/bag her man and live happily ever after. DD has no desire to wear a brace; all her mates who have got one complain and it has put her off.

So, given that she is a sensible teenager capable of making considered decisions, should I:

a) investigate getting her a brace
b) not bother
c) let her decide after explaining the pros and cons (she'll probably decide no)

Over to MN.

vvviola Wed 17-Oct-12 21:25:06

As someone who has pretty crooked bottom teeth, that my lovely dentist refused to brace because they weren't that noticeable, I'd say let her choose (although leaning slightly towards no). I'd think if she's bothered by them, then she can choose to do them. If not, why put her/you through the hassle (& expense? If it's private?).

She can always get them done as an adult (I was offered the option 2 years ago in my 30s to get mine done if I wanted. I didn't bother)

LiegeAndLief Wed 17-Oct-12 21:26:11

They might seem to have perfectly acceptable teeth. My teeth looked perfectly acceptable when I had a brace, but apparently (according to several dentists including NHS one) if I hadn't had one they would have mutated into hideous tusks growing out of the top of my head (or something).

If you think the NHS dentist is competant, then I would leave it at that. I had train track style braces for 3 years, they were really painful every time they were tightened and generally made me miserable, I certainly wouldn't encourage any child of mine to go through that to move their teeth a few millimetres for cosmetic reasons.

hiviolet Wed 17-Oct-12 21:28:31

I'm confused. Your dentist says she's fine so you don't need to make her wear braces, do you?

LIZS Wed 17-Oct-12 21:30:02

ds has been referred for one on NHS but is stubbornly refusing to cooperate. Don't feel we can force the issue after all it is a 3 year commitment on his part as well as ours, even though it would impove the spacing of his teeth and bite. I didn't get the chance and wish I had now but at his age I'd probably have refused too.

Lancelottie Wed 17-Oct-12 21:31:59

Goodness, if you can avoid bracedom, do!

Took two years to get one for DS1, and his teeth were projecting 15 mm out of line with the bottom ones (so pretty damn obvious).

DS2 has found his hurts his face, wrecks his music playing and cuts his lip; plus there's the risk of trapped food causing decay if they aren't very careful. We only agreed to it after the (NHS) dentist was adamant that it was needed. His front teeth are OK-ish, but his back ones were all over the shop.

I'm not looking forward to going through this again in a couple of years with DD.

MardyBra Wed 17-Oct-12 21:32:08

The dentist says she's fine and that her teeth aren't crooked enough to be treated on the NHS. Cosmetically I can see that they are not totally straight, but they're certainly within what I'd call normal range. However, it seems that more and more kids are getting cosmetic treatment on their teeth these days. So my concern is would I be a bad mother if I didn't get it corrected.

Liege I'm pretty happy with the competence of the NHS dentist. She did a successful root canal on me.

PhyllisDoris Wed 17-Oct-12 21:33:54

Can you afford a brace if you don't get one on the NHS? We were quoted £4000!

MardyBra Wed 17-Oct-12 21:34:06

"I didn't get the chance and wish I had now"

That's what I'm worried about.

"DS2 has found his hurts his face, wrecks his music playing and cuts his lip"

This too.

hiviolet Wed 17-Oct-12 21:34:40

Blimey, wasn't aware that so many parents had the spare cash to pay for braces privately; don't they cost an arm and a leg?

Honestly, if they look fine then leave them alone.

MardyBra Wed 17-Oct-12 21:35:02

£4k! Bloody hell. I haven't looked into the costs.

Tbh i am confused as to how all of these teens are getting the braces if they don't need them. There is struct criteria now, and anything graded under a 4 or high 3, is refused nhs treatment.

I have one dd who has had extensive treatment at hospital, and who's teeth are now amazing, and one dd who only just got on the list, but at a different place as her case isn't as severe. 18mths later she is still waiting.

Lancelottie Wed 17-Oct-12 21:37:06

If it's the cosmetic effect you're worried about, they could end up worse (because of decay).

DH is pretty unconvinced that it's worth the pain for DS2 (though as I said, the dentist was adamant). DS1 OTOH really was a ringer for Bugs Bunny, looking back at the photos -- and even so, we nearly didn't get it done!

Lancelottie Wed 17-Oct-12 21:38:10

Yep, we get the hospital rather than dentist for DS1, Nutcracker.

Scarynuff Wed 17-Oct-12 21:38:29

If the NHS dentist's opinion is that she does not need them, there is no need to have them and she won't get them for free. If the opinion is that she does qualify for braces, they should be free (although there might be a waiting list) and I would recommend getting them.

Better to get these problems sorted whilst she is young and lots of her peers are in the same boat. As an adult, the same treatment could cost up to £3,000.

However, you say the dentist does not recommend braces, so there's nothing to consider really is there, she doesn't need them confused

MardyBra Wed 17-Oct-12 21:39:00

What's the grading thing Nutcracker?

PhyllisDoris Wed 17-Oct-12 21:40:33

It's never too late to have a brace. DD can always have her teeth straightened when she's older if she changes her mind. You can have them done as an adult, do there's no rush.
My DD had hers on the NHS eventually, but beive me, if your DD isn't up for it, then it's not worth pushing her into it.

LIZS Wed 17-Oct-12 21:40:43

ds would be treated at the hospital which itself is part of the problem as it is half an hour away and he can't miss school (Year 10)

Floggingmolly Wed 17-Oct-12 21:42:50

Her dentist hasn't recommended a brace and you don't want her to wear one.
There is no problem here.

Wethoughtitwasanotherday Wed 17-Oct-12 21:43:15

If it were me I would get a second opinion and seriously consider going down the brace route if you feel it would improve her teeth noticeably. I had braces, I have great teeth and I am eternally grateful to my parents for forcing me to do it. I have noticed so many adults with bad teeth and I just feel that it is a shame because it is the first thing I notice about them. Having said that, virtually all my friends and family had braces, it was the absolute norm and it really does make a difference to your appearance. DH refused to wear his brace, his teeth don't look great and he really regrets it. If there is any suggestion my kids would benefit from a brace they will have one and I am afraid that I won't give them an option. As it happens my eldest is unlikely to need one, his teeth are really straight but my younger one has moved her jaw through thumb sucking, it won't be covered on the NHS as it is considered self inflicted so we will pay for her to have a brace.

pamplemousse Wed 17-Oct-12 21:43:21

I have very wonky teeth and I have a job, had a husband (didn't leave cos of my teeth!!) and am pretty happy. It doesn't ruin your life.
My parents offered me the choice, I decided not to have braces because a few of my friends who did have them were in considerable pain when they were tightened and had a complicated cleaning regime that I knew I wouldn't stick to.
I don't regret having wonky teeth at all. I went out with a dentist for 3 years who dated me because he liked my teeth... but then he was slightly odd!!

ithaka Wed 17-Oct-12 21:45:35

My daughter's NHS dentist referred her to the orthodontist and we were told she did not qualify for braces. Although her top & bottom teeth are not perfectly aligned, it does not affect her speech or eating.

They would not proceed as it would be purely cosmetic and could require jaw surgery and may not be permanent.

So you may find you couldn't get braces any way.

MardyBra Wed 17-Oct-12 21:46:13

"I have very wonky teeth and I have a job, had a husband (didn't leave cos of my teeth!!) and am pretty happy. It doesn't ruin your life."

That bit was tongue in cheek. wink

hiviolet Wed 17-Oct-12 21:47:03

PhyllisDoris makes a really good point. If private is the only option, then she can get braces as an adult if she wishes. You don't need to worry about whether she'll regret not having it done, because she can get it done anytime.

Fishwife1949 Wed 17-Oct-12 21:51:26

My son had a 2cm gap between his top and bottom jaw meaning the top set of teeth were much futher forward than his bottom set

He dribbles and has had speach issues because of it i only which i had know this when he was a toddler could of saved him years of speech therapy which has no effect because his jaw was the issue i let him choose and he said he would rather wear them now because everyone has them as yu put it

I know somone who is 36 and has braces not a good look on a grown man rather do it when a teen

Lancelottie Wed 17-Oct-12 21:53:44

Fishwife, does your son have one of the twin block braces, then, or a palate thingy? (Being nosey as haven't come across many other kids as misaligned as DS1!)

MacyGracy Wed 17-Oct-12 21:56:14

I had my train track braces removed in April at the grand age of 35. I saw on ortho in my teens and he said they weren't too bad, bottom were a mess but couldn't see them when I smiled (could when I talked). Top had just one tooth a bit out of line. Fast forward 20 years, that tooth almost sideways and middle tooth pushed back to compensate.

Only looking at photos of me a couple years back can I see how bad they looked compared to now. So wished I had them fixed when I was young!! Yes it was 13 months of hassle but so definately worth it.

I was told I needed a brace when I was 13. I refused point blank and didnt go to the dentist again until I fell pregnant with DD1 at 17. They tried again with the brace thing, I said no way. They dont even bother anymore.

And what makes it worse is my teeth are all straight so I really dont understand why they wanted me to have one :/

WeaselChutney Wed 17-Oct-12 22:02:46

My mum had braces at 50, she's a teacher too. She absolutely hated having them as an adult, it's much harder to wear braces as an adult because the bone is 'set' harder than as a child and it is so much harder to move the teeth through the bone.

She had n choice but to have them as an adult, she risked losing a front tooth if she didn't have them straightened out. She has always said that if the option had been available as a child, she would have worn braces then without out a doubt.

I had braces as a teenager and I am so glad I did. It is for such a short period in your life and good teeth are something you really notice as an adult. I also had no choice but to wear a brace due to missing pre-molars.

My teeth are perfect and bad teeth are the first thing I notice on other people.

Braces aren't particularly fun, but they don't really interfere with normal life, you just learn to be careful about eating sugar and looking after your teeth - lessons which set you up for life anyway!

footphobic Wed 17-Oct-12 22:02:59

So many cases would have been considered as worthy of treating a few years ago, but as goal posts have moved and criteria harder to meet many now don't warrant a referral - your NHS dentist is saying they are fine as far as the NHS goes because they are not bad enough for an NHS referral, but there could still be a legitimate case for private treatment, rather than just vanity/cosmetic reasons. You would have to clarify this with your dentist and/or get a second opinion. It's obviously a very expensive undertaking privately, we were told £3-4k private, and there is the discomfort issue so if it really is minor imperfections I probably wouldn't worry.

My dd who is a few months into NHS treatment and has what appear to be perfect teeth, the front few top and bottom are very straight and even, but she has some out of position and serious jaw misalignment and overbite which was affecting her eating and wearing away lower teeth. Most people looking at her would struggle to understand why she is having treatment as it's not immediately obvious.

Ds1 has finished his treatment now - he had some significant problems and is so glad he had it done.

Both ds and dd have coped really well with their treatment though, discomfort wise and cleaning, eating etc and not made a big deal of it which has made it so much easier.

WeaselChutney Wed 17-Oct-12 22:03:15

She had no choice that should say

MardyBra Wed 17-Oct-12 22:10:10

Thanks for all the comments. I think I'll talk it through with DD.

PaintedInRed Wed 17-Oct-12 22:11:33

I was told at 11years old that I needed a brace on my top teeth and I refused. 2years later, I was recommended by a different dentist the same thing, so this time I decided to go ahead.
As pps have said, it was very painful at times, especially when tightened, but it was definitely the best decision for me. The only regret I have is that I didnt have them earlier, as I still had them at 15/16 when I was getting interested in boys, so I was really conscious of them then.
So, I would probably say to really think about wearing one as young as possible (if they DO need one).
Oh and strangely, my teeth always looked straight to the naked eye, but they always showed up slanted in photographs...maybe the camera doesn't lie after all?! confused

LiegeAndLief Wed 17-Oct-12 22:13:48

I'm quite surprised by people giving their dc the choice (for NHS referred cases rather than purely cosmetic ones) - I had no choice in the matter at all, hated it from start to finish and would definitely have ripped them out if I could. However, I'm really glad it was done now. Young teenagers don't always know what's best for them...

Disclaimer - I don't have any teenagers! And I can appreciate it would be very difficult to force dc to wear a retainer type brace rather than the train track one which is fixed.

MissBetseyTrotwood Wed 17-Oct-12 22:58:50

I would say that I wish I'd had one. My teeth were slightly prominent and as I have got older they have become moreso. They're not wonky in a cute way either. grin

LIZS Thu 18-Oct-12 08:16:45

L&L, on both occasions ds has seen the orthodontist she has asked him directly whether he wants to go ahead. She simply will not commit her funds without him positively sounding as if he really wants it done and will cooperate for however long it takes. So it is n't just a matter of us giving him the choice. If he really desperately wanted to have straight teeth then we would have to find a way around the logistical issues (time off school/work for appointments and repairs, juggling dd gong to/from school etc) but he is so indifferent it makes it hard to be convinced to do so.

UndeadPixie Thu 18-Oct-12 08:26:02

My nhs dentist told me I had perfect teeth even with my very large over bite (i can completely cover my bottom teeth with my top) as soon as I turned 18 i was told I'd need braces. I couldn't afford it. Now that I'm 23 I'm suffering as my bottom teeth are rubbing the back of my top a lot more, my gums are inflamed from the repetitive friction and I still can't afford to fix it.

So if there is even the slightest worry I'd say get them done to be honest. My boss had them and he's told me it's quite embarrassing at work as them though he's their boss they still wind him up about it!

Trills Thu 18-Oct-12 08:31:52

After reading the title I was going to say YABU and wearing braces is absolutely worth it, and you should bribe and blackmail and cajole and persuade your DD into having whatever it is done.

But not you're saying that the dentist does not think she needs braces.

So now I'm a bit confused.

Why would you make her wear braces if the dentist doesn't think she needs them?

Do you think she needs them? Does she think she needs them?

You can't label yourself a bad mother for not getting treatment done that the dentist did not recommend. (too many negatives there)

Trills Thu 18-Oct-12 08:33:47

Fishwife/Lancelottie - I had the plastic blocks thingy that meant I couldn't close my mouth without pushing my bottom jaw forwards.

WineGoggles Thu 18-Oct-12 08:38:50

I had a retainer type brace as a teenager, which straightened my top teeth, but because a retaining wire wasn't put on the backs after the treatment a couple of teeth started to revert to their wonky position. So, at 36, I decided to sort my teeth out once and for all. I couldn't face getting those train track ones so went for an Invisalign brace top and bottom instead, and although it cost me best part of £4000 I'm so glad I went for it. OK, both times I've had braces my teeth ached for a day or so after tightening, but it was bearable.

valiumredhead Thu 18-Oct-12 08:41:11

Good luck with going private! It's a bit of a shock if you are used to NHS prices - £70 for a check up! shock

Cahoots Thu 18-Oct-12 08:58:13

Two of my DC's had braces, it's a long and painful process. It's even worse if you have to wear headgear. (confused) They now have beautiful natural looking teeth. I don't like totally flat 'American' style teeth, they just look wierd.

My lower teeth are wonky and even though you cant see them they are difficult to keep clean and i am more likely to have problems with them when I am older.

carabos Thu 18-Oct-12 09:00:18

If she doesn't need a brace, then why get one?

Having said that, Ds1 refused point blank to cooperate with his as a 9 yr old and today his teeth are literally a shocking, jagged, broken mess. They completely spoil his looks and he will not discuss it. It was obvious as a child that this would happen but believe me it just isn't possible to make a child wear a brace - mainly because orthodontists won't waste their time.

DS2 had no indications of crowding, but the dentist suggested that one of his canines would stick out a la Dracula if no action was taken. The orthodontist removed it and braced the others - it took three years and his teeth are beautiful today - straight, "American" smile. That was done on the NHS but admittedly that was 10 years ago.

DialMforMummy Thu 18-Oct-12 10:00:24

I would get the opinion of an orthodontist. There is a chance he/she might say DD needs a brace to get your trade but they might be able to explain the consequences, if any, of not having one. What you don't do at a young age might be very difficult and certainly more lengthy to correct later. It's not because the teeth look ok now that they will stay that way.
I had a brace and I am grateful my parents forced me paid for it. I hated it at the time, and occasionally it was a bit painful. Totally worth it. When DC need a brace (I am pretty sure of that give the current alignment of DS's teeth), it will not be offered to him as a choice.

LIZS Thu 18-Oct-12 16:08:48

When DC need a brace (I am pretty sure of that give the current alignment of DS's teeth), it will not be offered to him as a choice. Good luck with that!

fwiw ds is normally very compliant but he is now 14(going on 40), dyspraxic and has sensory issues which may make it more tricky to accept. Showing him before/after pics just isn't enough to convince him.

MrsMellowDrummer Thu 18-Oct-12 16:14:18

My dentist suggested a brace for my slightly wonky teeth when I was younger, and my mum made the decision (without talking to me, as far as I remember), that it wasn't worth putting me through it.

Now... a good thirty years later, my bottom teeth are really quite wonky (they've got steadily worse as I've got older), but I think she probably made the right decision. I don't really mind how they look (don't need perfect teeth!), and they don't cause me problems. I would have hated wearing braces, I'm sure.

LAlady Thu 18-Oct-12 16:20:16

I didn't have braces when I was young and wish I had. Dentist didn't think they were necessary but as I got older my teeth got progressively worse and I became very self conscious. I had invisalign braces at 36; it was the best money spent (albeit a lot of money!). I just wish I had the opportunity when I was a child. My DS is 12 and now has a brace and my DD is about to have hers looked at (she's 9). Rather do it now than later.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Thu 18-Oct-12 16:59:59

I did have train track braces about 25 yrs ago. My teeth were horrific. They're not straight now and that's because in those days, we didn't get retainers to wear afterwards so they 'drift' back somewhat. If any of your kids have braces, make sure they wear their retainers afterwards.

My 2 eldest kids had braces. Definitely worth it and they have continued to play trumpet/clarinet throughout (tho waiting to get braces off before Grade 6 exam). Eldest's braces are off and his teeth are amazing. Take painkillers for a couple of days after tightening and use wax when needed.

JoInScotland Thu 18-Oct-12 17:09:57

lancelottie wrote: DS2 has found his hurts his face, wrecks his music playing and cuts his lip; plus there's the risk of trapped food causing decay if they aren't very careful.

I had a 100% overbite, which means my front teeth stuck out more than 1 full cm over my lowerteeth. My midline was off, I had two rows of teeth, and the left side of my teeth was too far inside my mouth (not in a straight line). Therefore, I had trouble chewing food and couldn't eat anything too hard or chewy. So the state paid for my dental treatment which is almost unheard of in the US.

I found the headgear hurt my face. I was supposed to wear it 8 hours a day - I used to take a codeine tablet and wear it at night. Yes, the braces and headgear were going to wreck my music, so I played percussion. We bought one of those electric toothbrushes with rotating bristles to get right in between the braces and wires and it worked really well. I also got little threading loops to help get dental floss inbetween the teeth. I was predicted to wear the whole lot of various instruments for 3 years - because of a strong commitment from me, and willingness to wear the headgear, etc I did it in 2 years. And my teeth were really a mess, it was not cosmetic.

OP, if your NHS dentist thinks your DD's teeth are fine, then I'd go with that. Anyone taking the briefest look at me at age 13 knew I had a serious problem with my teeth, and that eating or chewing would be difficult.

Luckye Wed 17-Apr-13 23:46:47

Help I am really worried that my dd is going through hell with twin blocks and that it's maybe not necessary. Are twin blocks used purely as a cosmetic treatment to improve profile? My dentist referred us to nhs as she has overbite of 10mm but her profile looked ok before the twin blocks were in place. I'm just worried that we've put her through an ordeal purely for a minor cosmetic improvement. My main concern is that she will loose confidence as her speech is so impaired - it is only day 3 so I am hoping it gets better. Is there a medical reason for jaw to be aligned. Her overbite up til now has not caused her any problems. Any advice please. Also how long will she need to wear the twin block? Dentist has been very vague on this point. My dd is coping with her brace quite well considering she can't eat, sleep or talk well but I don't think either of us will cope if it goes on for too long!

SquirrelNuts Wed 17-Apr-13 23:51:12

I have always hated my teeth one side is perfect the other is awful hmm i wish now id had a brace when i was younger. But if theyre not that bad or noticable i really wouldnt bother

mardyelsie Thu 18-Apr-13 00:08:14

Luckye - a 10mm overjet means there is a massively increased risk of trauma to the upper incisors. It's a category 5 IOTN (most need for orthodontic treatment) This isn't just about improving your DD's profile. Treatment with twin blocks usually takes around 9 m

mardyelsie Thu 18-Apr-13 00:11:40

Sorry, posted too early. Twin blocks usually take around 9 months, after that your orthodontist may want to use fixed braces to tidy things up.

To the OP, your general dentist is not trained to properly score patients for orthodontic treatment. If they are offering you an orthodontic referral then take it, there may be a problem that they haven't noticed which will mean your DC qualifies for NGS treatment. Even if this is not the case it's always worth getting a specialist opinion.

yummumto3girls Thu 18-Apr-13 00:26:08

My DD had train track braces fitted to her upper teeth 2 days ago. It is heartbreaking, she keeps crying because she thinks she is ugly, the wire has torn up the inside of both cheeks, they have put glue on her back teeth so she can't join her teeth together to chew, she is in agony and as her mum I am in agony watching her go through this. I keep telling her it's for the best, better sorted now than later etc but I can't believe anyone would want to put their DC through this if they don't need to.

Startail Thu 18-Apr-13 00:55:47

Yummymummy you need wax. Use kitchen roll and get the area really dry before applying. Also rubbing bits covered they will stop hurting very soon.

DD says the first few days after fitting and one day after tightening are the worst.

Tell her she doesn't look ugly and it really is worth it, DD has had hers for a year and she has canines dropped into the right place and bottom teeth in a neat row. Her dentist puts different coloured inserts in each visit and I see these far more than I ever saw her bottom teeth. She hated them being wonky. Lots if her friends have braces so she doesn't care.

SkinnybitchWannabe Thu 18-Apr-13 06:26:47

My son is getting braces fitted in may. Thankfully its on the nhs because we couldnt afford to go private!

exoticfruits Thu 18-Apr-13 07:10:09

If your NHS dentist thinks her teeth are fine then I can't see why you need to go further. Two of my DSs were referred by NHS dentist and the work was done on NHS- I believe that it was very expensive to go private.
They had train track braces and it wasn't nice for 2 years but the results are fantastic and they both agree it was worth it.

LAlady Thu 18-Apr-13 07:17:54

We are midway through paying for DS's braces privately as he didn't fall into the categories to qualify for NHS treatment. As the criteria is very tight now, many that used to be treated aren't. DD will need them too, I'm sure.

I needed to have braces when I was a child. I didn't. It was a big regret and I had Invisalign braces when I was 35. I wish I'd had braces when I was younger.

imour Thu 18-Apr-13 07:23:12

if her nhs dentist said she doesnt need a brace i wouldnt bother , if you are not referred it will cost 2k upwards to go private ,it gives people character when they dont all have the same dead straight uniform teeth .

exoticfruits Thu 18-Apr-13 07:24:53

I had a brace at 16yrs and hated it, but I am so pleased now that I did. I think it is much easier now because so many teenagers have them.

yummumto3girls Thu 18-Apr-13 07:33:01

Thankyou Startail. She has wax but struggles getting it to stick. We are back at the orthodontist today to get the protruding wire snipped. She's slightly less miserable today and hopefully this will get better every day. We are working hard on her confidence. My heart really goes out to her.

StanleyLambchop Thu 18-Apr-13 07:40:10

Luckeye- my DD had very protuding top teeth. Unfortunately she tripped and smacked her face- front tooth shattered, she now has a cap- and it will need maintaining for the rest of her life (and that will be expensive once she has to pay as an adult) She was halfway through the block treatment at the time! I would definitely advise continuing with it, the risks are high otherwise. It is also possible that the teeth need realigning because the bite would not be correct otherwise. As a child that may not be noticable, but as an adult an incorrect bite can cause problems- terrible headaches was one of the things my ortho mentioned. So be wary of thinking that braces are not needed- sometimes there is a problem that cannot be seen. If you are referered to an orthodontics, there is usually a reason (NHS don't pay for treatment for purely cosmetic cases anymore)

imour Thu 18-Apr-13 07:43:32

feel for your daughter yummum , my girl had retainers to move her jaw first for 10 months ,she was in pain with that and cried for a few days , then the wire brace dug in her cheeks , they snipped the wire back , after a week she was used to the wire one and only had it on for 5 months ,hope it goes quick for your girl .

Katnisscupcake Thu 18-Apr-13 07:45:54

I would definitely let her choose, but if the dentist suggests that it would be a good idea, I would encourage her.

I've already made the choice for my DD (only 3.5 so not something I need to worry about yet...) because I was told that I needed a brace, but decided not to (back in the day when it was rare and bullying about it was rife). I soooo wish I had had one now. My teeth aren't horrible, but one of my teeth is at a very funny angle. I've spent my life avoiding toothy smiles for photos. It's horrid.

I will insist on my DD having one if the suggestion is ever made.

mummytime Thu 18-Apr-13 07:47:28

My DDhas a brace, however a few months in, you might think the teeth aren't that bad as they are already being moved. However, they were bad enough that we could have had them done on the NHS. We have gone private to get them done earlier, and it costs £3000. Do you really think your DD has friends who are spending that kind of money for something very minor? It could be they had all kinds of problems in their mouths that you can't see.
Yes most people get their braces in their early to mid teens, so it does look like a fashion, and if you are going to need them it makes it a good time to have them, as you at least look just like all the others your age.

yummumto3girls Thu 18-Apr-13 07:54:47

Thankyou Imour.

I had the train track braces, and at that time, it was really rare to have those, and I was the only child in my year and it wasn't so long after Moonraker had come out, so you can imagine some of the cruel names that were muttered in my hearing. The braces were because my canines didn't have room to come out properly and were in the upper gum so I looked like dracula.

But I still remember the day that my braces were taken off. The fangs had gone, my smile was perfect and I no longer had to put my hand in front of my mouth when I smiled. The memory of the two years of pain and discomfort fell away in an instant. So I would definitely say go for the braces if you can.

pinktabulous Thu 18-Apr-13 08:59:10

Luckye :
My DD is about five months through block braces. During the first few weeks I nearly threw them out - but we kept going with them. After the first week, we went back and the orthodontist filed them down a little.
She started to get used to them and now they do not bother her, even when she turns the key to stretch them.
They have really quickly made such a difference, and hopefully at her next appointment she will go down to 14 hours, then overnight and then onto the fixed braces.
I hope your DD starts to feel more comfortable with them very soon.

DD is having her braces fitted today.

On the scale of severity (1 to 5) she comes in at 3.6, which is the minimum that the NHS in our area will fund treatment for. If she hadn't met the criteria, we would not have been able to fund it.

One tooth in particular sticks out quite a bit.

Her regular dentist says her teeth are healthy, but that is not the same thing.

It will make a big difference, and as many of her friends have braces, it's not seen as something to be avoided.

mrsjay Thu 18-Apr-13 09:20:59

dd2 was sent for a brace she has a slightly sticky out tooth we went got the first brace and tbh I knew she wouldnt tolerate the train track ones like her sister did so I stopped treatment it is still slightly sticky out but not really bad, if your dd doesnt need braces why would you consider it ?

GirlOutNumbered Thu 18-Apr-13 09:23:24

I didn't want braces as a teenager and now I wish my mum had made me.
ReAlly dislike my wonky tooth.

Groovee Thu 18-Apr-13 09:31:00

My dd's teeth are a mess. There's a problem with her strong jaw line and she's having to wait another year for assessment. The orthodontist said she definitely needs extensive work. Otherwise I wouldn't bother, but her teeth are that bad she hates opening her mouth.

sashh Thu 18-Apr-13 09:43:22


Tell her braces are cute on children not on adults. It is for the best long term, she has a lovely smile now and will have an even lovelyer smile soon.

<early 40s spent £3K on invisalign - best money ever spent>

gordyslovesheep Thu 18-Apr-13 09:53:42

DD1 is having braces - but she was/is a thumb sucker and has a massive overbite - so it's on the NHS

DD2 will need veneers as she has sever florosis - that will cost us the best part of 4k

I hope to god dd3 has perfect teeth grin

I had a brace top and bottom until I was 22 - my teeth moved back a fair bit and are still crossed at the front!

If she doesn't need them leave it to her to decide

mrsjay Thu 18-Apr-13 09:55:20

*I didn't want braces as a teenager and now I wish my mum had made me.
ReAlly dislike my wonky tooth*

dd can get it sorted as an adult if she wants,smile there is a longwinded boring story behind me stopping treatment I couldn't make her look after her brace

mrsjay Thu 18-Apr-13 09:56:06

dd1 was great with her brace she did need 1 she had terrible over crowding she has teeth i am envy of

MrsMorton Thu 18-Apr-13 20:08:48

gordy veneers aren't the only option for fluorosis. Have you tried micro abrasion and bleaching? I hope your dentst doesn't go straight to veneers, every year you can delay them is a real bonus..!

stephrick Thu 18-Apr-13 20:52:41

DS just had braces fitted, no problem, he had a underbite, and a little overcrowding, as most his friends had them he was quite happy to get them done. he will be 17 when they come off. At the moment they are free, the orthodontist said that the criteria is changing so if we had waited he might not of had them. I worked for an orthodontist in Australia 23 years ago and they charged 2300 aussie dollars.

MissBetseyTrotwood Thu 18-Apr-13 20:58:47

Mine were only slightly out of line when I was a teen. They've become more prominent as I've got older though, and I have to be really careful to keep them scaled and polished or they look awful. They're really prominent in my face and when I see photos of myself they're the first thing I notice iykwim.

whois Thu 18-Apr-13 21:37:54

If it is marginal and the DC don't want to do it then I say wait. You can get teeth sorted as an adult, and when you're paying for it yourself you rent to be more compliant with the treatment!

My dad and a close friend have had theirs done as adults. Dads teeth were a right mess and now perfect, my friend tbh you could hardly see anything wrong but they bothered her.

realtalk Thu 18-Apr-13 22:07:29

3+ years of braces and jaw surgery.

Best thing I ever did in my life.

realtalk Thu 18-Apr-13 22:13:26

Why would you want to wait until you're potentially at work and busy and paying for it...

LynetteScavo Thu 18-Apr-13 22:18:27

DS has been told he qualifies for a brace on the NHS for his considerable under-bite (strong jaw). We are waiting for all his baby teeth to fall out, though. The orthodontist explained DS may also require jaw surgery when he is 18. We are told he may have pain because of the under-bite, but atm has none at all.

The thing is, DS is very sensory sensitive....his teeth are perfectly straight, and his strong jaw isn't un-attractive. (If you think buzz-lightyear is good looking). If he were a girl who wanted facial perfection,and was in pain, we may feel differently about the situation.

I would encourage a DC to get a brace for crooked teeth if I thought they could cope with the whole thing, but obviously you can't force them.

imour Fri 19-Apr-13 07:50:57

lynettescavo sounds like my daughters case but it was her lower jaw that went too far back , i thought she would just have a brace on top teeth to pull them back but that would of made her face flat apparently ,it only took 10 months of block treatment to pull bottom jaw forward then 5 months fixed brace ,no jaw surgery needed now , her face looks so different and teeth are great , she said it was so worth it looking back now .

SamuelWestsMistress Fri 19-Apr-13 08:21:40

Teeth move throughout life! It's the aftercare that is just as important. I had my teeth done as a teen and then I had to have them done again a few years ago! Luckily now I've been given the correct aftercare including a permanent retainer behind my 4top front teeth and top and bottom p,attic night time retainers.

bruffin Fri 19-Apr-13 08:46:00

I spent 2 years going up to a london dental hospital for a brace and dont regret it at all. I had dracula teeth. I still have the impressions and the difference is amazing.

My dd is currently going through it now, very similar problems but both top and bottom. She has even more problems as she has an impacted bottom tooth that hasnt come through and we are waiting for an operation to have it removed. She already had to have 3 teeth out last week, although they did try for 6 months to not go down the teeth removal path.

Gingerodgers Fri 19-Apr-13 09:04:19

I definately think adults with crooked teeth look rough..... You can get a brace at any age tho.

DD's braces were fitted yesterday and she's complaining about the aching (she says it hurts, but I'm not sure it's that bad as when she's distracted she seems fine). I've given her some pain relief, and reckon a couple of days and she won't notice them any more.

ivanapoo Fri 19-Apr-13 10:38:30

There's a huge difference IMO between slightly wonky or uneven teeth and really awful gappy crumbling tombstones meets bugs bunny type teeth (which I had). If your DD has the first type and it sounds like she does I would leave well alone. Braces don't always work and your daughter can always have Invisalign as an adult.

After four sets of NHS braces over 5 years, a lot of private cosmetic work and a permanent bridge (which lasted all of 6 weeks later) the gaps are gone but I still have a major overbite and basically cannot use half of my teeth at all as a result. My teeth basically moved back in my twenties. They look a lot better than they would have though. I just hope DS inherits good teeth

My bottom teeth were untouched and are quite wonky. My dentist said he thought they added character.

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