to think the RSPCA are losing it?

(88 Posts)
SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 19:22:49

They've prosecuted a woman for feeding paracetamol to her cat after it broke its leg www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/9974603._I_can_t_believe_RSPCA_prosecuted_me_for_killing_my_cat_/?ref=rl Poor woman, her and her sister rang them for advice and now she has a criminal record.

Misguidedly trying to help your pets surely, surely can't count as cruelty?

mrsrosieb Tue 09-Oct-12 19:24:50

Yes, that is absolutely ridiculous.

I should imagine the ex-cat owner feels guilty enough about losing her moggy without a criminal conviction.

MummifiedBonkeyMollocks Tue 09-Oct-12 19:25:11

Really?

But when you report a animal who is in obvious suffering with owners that don't give a rats arse they do nothing? hmm

RSPCA are a complete waste of time imo!

SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 19:26:46

The woman now has a criminal record. Insane and a total waste of court time.

poachedeggs Tue 09-Oct-12 19:39:07

Paracetamol is toxic to cats and is totally unsuitable as pain relief.

She was clearly behaving irresponsibly. Ignorance is no more an excuse for harming a pet than it is for harming a child. A responsible thing to do would have been to seek veterinary advice.

There's no doubt in my mind that there's more to this story. I have my reservations about the RSPCA but it's not OK to poison your pet!

SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 19:41:49

Yeah, but she didn't feed the cat weed killer.

People are leaving the RSPCA money in their wills to help deal with cruelty to animals. this really doesn't coun t and smack of the RSPCA not prioritising at all.

Ephiny Tue 09-Oct-12 19:49:51

I think there's more to it too. Why did she phone the RSPCA rather than a vet? I'm guessing the cat was uninsured and she didn't want to pay vet's fees, which is why she gave the paracetemol in the first place.

Given her attitude that she still thinks she knows how to look after cats hmm, I hope she's banned from keeping them in future.

gordyslovesheep Tue 09-Oct-12 19:52:24

yeh I kind of agree - why not take the cat to a vet - that is what most people would do - it is cruel to deny an animal the CORRECT attention and treatment

more to this I think and she shouldn't be allowed to have cats

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Tue 09-Oct-12 19:55:29

The RSPCA are utterly crap.

Yes, she shouldn't have fed the cat human painkillers but she was trying.

Whenever I've reported animal abuse they sound completely uninterested.

And don't get me started on their ridiculous criteria for rehoming pets and then moaning that they're over-run. The couple who adopted two kittens from me were turned down because they smoked. Outside, because they have children but the RSPCA still turned them down.

They were a lovely couple too.

Lonecatwithkitten Tue 09-Oct-12 19:55:34

By giving the cat paracetamol she might as well have given it weed killer. Failure to seek treatment for an injured or sick animal is an offence.

Canidae Tue 09-Oct-12 19:56:07

Sounds odd to me. Why would she ring the RSPCA? Why not a vet?

SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 19:57:43

But, presumably, we are able to distinguish between cruel intentions?

What on earth was actually achieved by this prosecution - except a waste of money?

I just googles "can I give my cat paracetamol?" and the answer is a resounding "no"

She could have easily googled and then decided treatment.

SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 20:04:22

The woman was a moron, I think that's clear.

What I think is more of a concern is not the woman, or her ill-judged remedy, but that this used time, cash, resources of a charity set up to deal with cruelty. And public funds and court time.

midori1999 Tue 09-Oct-12 20:58:53

I don't like the RSPCA, but this woman didnt seek veterinary care for her cat when it needed it and that alone is an offence, let alone giving it unsuitable and dangerous human medication.

It's right that she was prosecuted and now has a criminal record (which a court decided, not the RSPCA). She neglected her cat and caused it suffering. Ignorance is no excuse and no doubt saving money played a part.

Far too many pet owners don't seek veterinary advice when they need to.

SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 21:01:19

My dog is looking a bit peaky - I thought I'd see how he is in the morning. Is that really an actual offense?

tink123 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:21:06

Not impressed with RSPCA. About 10 years ago, I was sitting inside the house when I heard yelping from house opposite. Anyway I looked and was shocked to see the german shepard that lived there hanging over the wall by a rope. It was kept in the back yard tied up, and it must have tried to jump the wall, not realising the rope was short. So the dog was hanging by a rope about a foot off the ground, choking to death, so I panicked and rang the RSPCA. Apparently they could not make it until the following day but needed all my details. I said that the dog was choking and that I at least needed advice on what to do. The operator said that I had two choices. I could either push it back over the six foot wall confused or cut it down. Bearing in mind I am not superhuman and was six months pregnant at time, pushing it back over was not a option. I was not willing to cut it down as it was obviously distressed and snarling. Anyway it was a thick rope so it would have taken ages to cut it. I am still waiting for a solution off them. I hung up and raced around to knock on the door but as usual no one was in during the day. Luckily for the dog, by the time I got back, it must have wriggled free as I saw it running away up the road.

midori1999 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:25:02

Well it depends how 'peaky' he's looking. Being lame is very obviously something that requires looking at, in fact, this woman knew it needed treatment as she'd tried self medicating the cat.

midori1999 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:27:09

OP, do you disagree that this woman a) did not seek veterinary treatment when it was obviously needed and b) cause suffering to her cat?

It doesn't matter why she did these things, she did them.

picnicbasketcase Tue 09-Oct-12 21:29:25

She should have sought the correct advice obviously, but she shouldn't be prosecuted for making a stupid mistake. If everyone got into bother with the police every time they fucked up, nobody would have a clean record.

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 21:31:25

Perhaps she is skint and cannot afford a vet?
Perhaps she rang the RSPCA because they run clinics across the country and she wanted veterinary advice?

I used to work for the RSPCA as a nurse. When I wasn't doing clinical things I was answering phones. We got tons of calls asking for medical advice. I don't think that detail signifies anything sinister.

Advice at the time was also to give injured animals junior aspirin and I would imagine that would not be the case now.

Actually if a parent gave a child an accidental overdose of an over the counter medicine I would be surprised if they ended up with a criminal record. Not if it was shown they did it in good faith.

I am another one who would certainly not rush an animal to a vet at the slightest problem. I make an assessment the same as I do with my children if they are unwell.

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 21:33:22

If my dog limps I would give him a day before I took him to the vet. Unless he was in obvious distress. After checking for cuts, foreign bodies etc.

Keep him from stairs and jumping up. Monitor overnight and see how he is in the morning.

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 21:37:23

The RSPCA has never operated an emergency service.

They are not the NHS.
They are not ideal, they have many faults but I do feel that people have unreasonably high expectations of them.

I used to take calls from the public expecting them to rush out and remove foxes from back gardens, 'rescue' baby birds from the bottom of trees, rescue squirrels (sp) 'stuck' in trees and come out to collect poorly hamsters.

WildWorld2004 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:41:29

I phoned the RSPCA once when there was a stray dog walking around our street. They told me to phone the police or take it to the police station because they dont come out for stray dogs. Wtf confused

So they think that its ok for the general public to approach stray dogs not knowing whether the dog is aggressive or has fleas.

SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 21:44:01

Earlier I trod on my dog's foot. I cause suffering to my dog. I hope society can get that in proportion.

Do I deny that she didn't seek veterinary treatment? Hmmm, it sounds as though she thought she didn't need it and could manage on her own. A bit like me with my dog. Again, I sincerely hope no one is going to prosecute me but I'll make sure I don't ask for advice just in case.

missymoomoomee Tue 09-Oct-12 21:44:54

The RSPCA have a cheek prosecuting anyone for animal cruelty imo. Recently I found a young cat and 4 tiny kittens in my shed. My shed was cold and wet so I took the cats in overnight, none of the shelters had spaces for them, i couldn't put the cats back in the shed because it was so cold so I called them.

Their advice? Put the cat and kittens back in the shed until they get ill and then they can deal with them, they can't deal with healthy strays. When I asked what I could flea treat a nursing mother and tiny kittens with they said it would be better if I didn't if I wanted them picked up faster.

I used to donate to the RSPCA I won't anymore thats for sure.

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 21:45:26

But why would you expect them to come out for stray dogs?

Fleas? confused

They RSPCA are big but they are not a service funded by taxes. They are a charity.

They do not have the resources to come out to every dog and baby pigeon. Dog wardens are responsible for stray dogs.
Actually owners are responsible for stray dogs.

midori1999 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:47:32

She didn't need veterinary advice and could manage alone? hmm her cat died because she gave it human medication. That's hardly 'managing alone' is it?

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 21:50:32

'she thought she could manage it alone'

mmxe Tue 09-Oct-12 21:53:29

My son and an ex girlfriend lived in a semi rural area with lots of feral cats with litter after litter of kittens which people fed.
One lovely cat who had obviously been a pet decided to deliver her kittens in their house.
They were happy to keep her but asked RSPCA for help with neutering ( their own cat was already neutered ) and rehoming for kittens.. no way.. they both worked so no help, they could put her out on street and then call RSPCA !!!!
no help for all the feral kittens which just died every year.
Rang cats protection league and they were great, offered to rehome kittens and neuter mum for free. If you have any probs with cats ring them not RSPCA.
No axe to grind have had cats and dogs from them, prob get refused now as we work, better for a dog to stay in kennels than in a home where people work

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 22:01:32

But that is the point isnt it? Duplication of services.
If there are charities already offering neutering it is very hard to get funding for providing the same service.

I am not overly loyal to the RSPCA. They were an atrocious employer.
But I feel that people think they are the animal version of the NHS and Social Services rolled into one.

They are not.

Viperidae Tue 09-Oct-12 22:03:36

I am very wary of charities that run large adverts on tv, the cost must be immense and I'm sure it could be better spent. I never give to the RSPCA because on some channels it feels like an ad is on every 2 minutes.

Thinkability Tue 09-Oct-12 22:08:12

Used to work for RSPCA. Won't give any money to them after what I experienced. The TV programme wasn't what I experienced at all. We didn't have the funds/staff to nurse a sick dog so put it down. On TV they make out they try everything.

mrsminerva Tue 09-Oct-12 22:09:09

SundaeGirl, I accidentally ran my cats tail over with my office chair, my ears still hurt from the yowl she let out. When can I expect the RSPC storm troopers to be breaking my door down?

Scheherezade Tue 09-Oct-12 22:09:09

wild dog wardens are responsible for stray dogs. Or you call non emergency police. Like you just said the operator told you.

SundaeGirl Tue 09-Oct-12 22:10:12

I think the RSPCA need to define what they are. Because cat-owner prosecutors isn't what most people are expecting.

They do have some vile anti-vivisection activists quite high up, or so I have heard.

The RSPCA are a total waste of time, and I worry about anyone who gives animals into their care. We've rang them several times about different animals we've been worried about, and they didn't offer any advice. They then have the cheek to ring us CONSTANTLY and ask for donations. Awful organisation.

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 22:16:10

think did you work at the harmsworth?

We used to get people bringing baby eagles in, very excited. They were always bemused looking baby pigeons.

And the arguments in the waiting room about who was the saddest and who loved their dog the mostest...

And the ones who would threaten to batter me if I hurt their cat.

And the banging on the door at 2am by pissed and maudlin GSD owners who were convinced their dogs were dying because they 'looked sad'

Those were the days...

TinyDancingHoofer Tue 09-Oct-12 22:49:23

If she couldn't afford a vet, then she shouldn't have a cat. You don't take on the responsibility of a pet without thinking there may be unexpected vets fees.

Her cat had a broken leg, she knew this and could see it was in pain and effectively did nothing to help. Either she was being intentionally cruel or is lacking the mental capacity to provide adequate care.

I don't mind if the RSPCA prosecutes bad cat owners. She shouldn't be allowed to keep animals.

She failed to provide adequate care for her animal. That's neglect is it not? Any idiot knows not to give human drugs ( or any drugs) to a person or animal without a prescription. Doses r worked out according to weight strength and age u can't just guess!!! An animal died after she failed to seek proper medical attention that warrants an investigation at very least. If u can't afford to look after pets properly don't get them.

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 23:00:42

Then only well off people can have pets.

Lots of our clients gave superb care to their animals. Many had got them before they fell on hard times. Imagine the threads on here if everyone who lost their job or became ill wanted to rehome their pets.

The RSPCA and PDSA run clinics for those who cannot afford vet fees. The mark up on veterinary medicine is extraordinary.

We used to get a lot of calls from people who could afford vets but resented paying for them.

So knocking poor people out of the equation is not going to ensure responsible pet owners. This much is obvious. You only have to look around to see that.

MrsDeVere Tue 09-Oct-12 23:01:47

Millions of people give drugs without prescriptions everyday.

If they didnt, Boots would go out of business.

No but they would at least have the sense to make a phone call and see what could be done. Vets aren't all " oh bring them in I'll charge u the most money I can" . The organizations r there to help a d advice from a vet costs nothing except a phone call. That would have at least been e Pugh to advise against medicating herself.

Yes but the dosage and instructions r on packet and the counter person always checks who they r for and if they have taken it before.

midori1999 Tue 09-Oct-12 23:14:27

We used to get a lot of calls from people who could afford vets but resented paying for them

Exactly and for all we know, this could be the woman in the article. People like this are a fucking disgrace. The fact is, many people are fully prepared to 'wait and see' to save a few pounds, even if that means their animal is suffering. Many can't even be bothered to phone a vet. You can see this just by reading some of the threads in the Doghouse or on other pet/dog forums.

Telephone advice from a vet is free of charge. Anyone can ring a vet and say 'I think my cat might have a broken leg/it is limping' and th evet will advise whethr it needs to be seen or whether it can wait. If it does need to be seen as the animal is suffering, vets are legally bound to prevent that suffering, regardless of whether the client can pay.

midori1999 Tue 09-Oct-12 23:16:21

As for Millions of people give drugs without prescriptions everyday

Yes, but they don't suddenly decide to give themselves a dose of metacam or bute if they have a headache, do they?

Totally agree midori

If this was a baby in hospital everyone would think the woman was an idiot for giving a child an adult medication and just guessing the dosage. Guess cos it's a cat it doesn't matter sad

I've known since I was a kid never to give human medication to a pet. Common bloody sense and anyone who thinks its ok to reach for the nurofen if their cats a bit off is too stupid to own a pet sad

YouMayLogOut Tue 09-Oct-12 23:38:04

YABU. Owners have a legal duty of care to their animals but this owner acted irresponsibly and harmfully. She could have contacted the PDSA but didn't.

The article states:

"The RSPCA has defended its decision to prosecute, saying the case was a warning to other people. Inspector Graham Hammond said: “She had the use of the People’s Dispensary for Sick Animals which is a free service but chose not to use it."

YouMayLogOut Tue 09-Oct-12 23:38:40

"They do have some vile anti-vivisection activists quite high up, or so I have heard."

Is this gossip or fact?

MrsApplepants Wed 10-Oct-12 00:02:51

I came home one evening to find a very distressed duck with an obviously broken wing in my garden. Our garden is frequented by foxes so I managed to shepherd the duck into our shed where it would be safe for the night and called the RSPCA. I couldn't take it to a vet as it would have involved catching it and possibly making the injury worse. RSPCA came the next day, took the duck and gave me a bill a donation request for £42. I cannot afford to spend £42 on ducks that do not belong to me, even as an animal lover and was made to feel really guilty.

I dunno.
They're rather useful if you want to harrass your neighbour.
Simply make repeated malicious calls so they have to keep attending.

It's a larf init.

(nb I've been on the receiving end, not the making calls end of this)

Leena49 Wed 10-Oct-12 06:51:48

I'm not clear about their role. A neighbour in our street rand them about a neglected cat. They came out to find our other neighbours 18 year old cat happily laying in the sun looking old and scrawny but 18 years old! We said to neighbour why didn't you just speak to the other neighbour! They came out straight away for that but don't for more serious stuff!

I just think that if someone tried to worm their kid with drontal and he ended up in hospital, or she had tried to treat her babies broken leg with an elastoplast and half a paracetamol ground up in his milk then everyone would be in agreement that she deserved it. But cos its a cat everyone's all " oh it's an overreaction" . She could have got treatment but chose not to and has ordasity to play the victim.

SundaeGirl Wed 10-Oct-12 07:09:06

Of course it's very different that it's a cat not a child.

Child or pet we have a duty to look after and seek treatment if either r sick. A phone call costs nothing and she was offered treatment that would have cost her nothing. There r services available 24/7 just like with people. It's not hard to get some advice at very least.

She's been using it for years!! In other words she's actively been refusing treatment for sick animals for years.

Plus if someone broke into your shed and stole a lawn mower mOst people would want that person arrested which would result I them getting a criminal record. God shops would prosecute over a loaf of bread being shop lifted. No one hurt no one died no harm done but u would still want that person caught. So if an inanimate object required prosecution then that insinuates that objects are more important than an animal
That's alive and feels pain! A cat died through neglect. That warrants a prosecution IMO

mrsminerva Wed 10-Oct-12 16:22:45

wheresmycaffeine cats die all the time, I think your a tad over the top. My cat is very old and I intend to let nature takes its course with her when the time comes unless she's in pain. She hates going to the vets. I suppose you would have me prosecuted too. I think its the same as a DNR on a human TBH.

But a broken leg isn't fatal hmm this cat was perfectly treatable it had nothing to do with nature taking its course.

And there's a big difference between a cat reaching the end of their natural life or loosing a fight with an
Illness and not treating injuries. Those who choose not to treat a debilitating illness will still choose to administer proper prescribed pain relief. If they don't then yes I agree they should be in trouble too. As even though the illness is not their fault they still have a choice about stopping or managing the pain. Allowing an animal to die a long painful death not attempting to help is also worth prosecution IMO.

bubalou Wed 10-Oct-12 16:36:31

What a great waste of time when my parents neighbours have been warned literally hundreds of times for over breeding and poorly treating this poor staffy they own and they still get to keep it!

Their house is a crack den - the woman has had her 3 children taken away by SS but is still allowed to keep this dog and i think they have another 1 now.

Last time I saw the poor thing her tummy was red raw and bleeding from the puppies and she was so underweight and had chunks of fur missing.

sad

Paiviaso Wed 10-Oct-12 16:47:01

I can see why the RSPCA would prosecute this woman - if you own an animal, it is your responsibility to take care of it and be knowledgeable enough to do so. If you are feeding your cat substances that are toxic to it, you are not a fit cat owner.

I agree with MrsDeVere that people don't really understand what the RSPCA is meant to be for. I see it on forums all the time - someone posts about slightly less than ideal conditions an animal lives in, and an instant chorus of "Call the RSPCA!" appears. The RSPCA must have so much of their time wasted by people reporting things the RSPCA has no jurisdiction to do anything about. And then these people turn around and blast the RSPCA because, "they didn't care about the animal at all."

Perhaps there are instances in which the RSPCA really should have shaped up and acted better, but I think a lot of the flack is unfair.

mollymole Wed 10-Oct-12 17:00:04

The woman knowingly and intentionally with eld the correct medical/vetinarian treatment from her animal. She knowingly gave it human adult medication. She is not fit to have an animal of any description. You know when you have an animal that you may require funds to pay for vets bills.

Narked Wed 10-Oct-12 17:01:55

I've seen cats on tv with paracetamol poisoning it's horrific sad that cat would have suffered. Again proving she with held treatment

What the gel is up with my smiley? Damn phone that was meant to be sad

It's done it again mOst odd ( sad face!!!! )

ZuzuandZara Wed 10-Oct-12 17:08:30

mrsminerva it's unfair to let 'nature take its course'. Your cat will undoubtedly be suffering towards her final days, whether you know she is in pain or not is debatable. If she hates going to the vet, call the vet to you.

Paivaiso well said.

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 17:36:07

I have had a lot of animals in my 45 years. I have never been able to let any of them die 'naturally'

As I said before I am not one to rush to the vets for the least reason but its very unusual to just come down one day and find your pet has died in their sleep.

I think its a very important responsibility to have your pet PTS when the time has come.

one of the things i hated most when working as a nurse was the animals that were kept going because 'we love them so much'

JamieandtheMagicTorch Wed 10-Oct-12 17:41:28

I'm pretty sure this article doesn't tell the whole story.

It always amazes me how people think they r saving money by not taking them
Or getting the animal treated. A broken leg treated straight away could just needs splint and a bandage and a shot of a pain killer. If u leave it it could heal funny and need surgery to fix or even cut of circulation to the leg if it pushes on artery. The difference in cost is immense. Always pays to treat straight away!!!!

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 18:31:59

well no.
If your pet has landed a bit funny and is limping a bit.
A trip to the vets for anti inflams and a vit B shot will leave short £70.

Rest overnight costs nothing.

If a pet has a broken leg you take it to the vet because you cannot treat it yourself.
You can treat a sprain yourself.

But u don't know it's a sprain unless they X-ray hmm or a vet can have a feel.

And the anti inflammatory shots the same price whether u go that day or the next. Y risk further injury

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 18:49:45

Do you take your kids to the hospital every time they limp?

I don't. I haven't missed a broken bone in a DC or a pet yet.

If the animal is still limping after rest and continues to be unable to weight bear, is in pain, showing signs of distress that is one thing.

Having a limp is another.

Feel free to shell out unnecessarily. I will continue to behave in a sensible manner

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 18:51:38

And anti inflammatory shots are not always necessary. They will do no harm though and a vet has them so will give them.

Giving pain killers can risk further injury. It encourages an animal to use a limb that it would otherwise rest.

It is silly to rush to the vet with every tiny injury. You risk stressing your animal more than helping it.

Erm, of my child was limping badly with no visible sign of injury then course I'd seek attention. That kind of negligent attitude is what led my brother to being forced to walk round school with a broken ankle. a teacher thought he new better.

I would not be comfortable making any decision like that with out phoning the vet first! Funnily enough the advice is free and my pets r worth a phone call.

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 19:04:44

Erm who said anything about limping badly?

Read my post again, answer that and not what you want me to be saying.

You are free to carry on as you please. Its your money.
I have more confidence in my abilities to care for my animals without rushing to the vets all the time.

How can a vet tell you if a leg is broken from a phone call?

Because they talk u through what to look for and to help gauge the severity of the injury.

Ur missing the point though. The injury is not what the problem was it was the medication used to treat it. If it was bad enough to warrant treating then it was bad enough to warrant taking in and getting checked over!

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 19:15:29

But were were not discussing this idiot.
We were discussing the issue in general terms.

A vet would tell me what to look for. I know what to look for. Its really not that difficult to spot if your animal has a major injury.

I would treat a minor cut on my dog. Because I treated it I wouldnt need to take it to a vet. What on earth for? So he could say 'its needs cleaning and dressing, Oh you have done it already. That will be twenty quid for wasting my time please'

Yes a cut is fairly miner and yes a consult can be expensive BUT the point I was trying to make is that however minor an injury can seem, even a cut can become infected resulting in treatment that would have cosy more than the original consult they were trying to avoid paying for.

Thinkability Wed 10-Oct-12 19:33:32

I'm with Mrs DeVere on this. You can use your common sense with pets and not rely on the vets to tell you the bleedin' obviouse then charge you lots for it!

I learnt my lesson when I took my lab (one of the most common breeds) for what I didn't know at the time was very common to the breed 'cold water tail'.

He charged me a lot to give an injection when all it required was overnight rest. I learned this from Googling a specialist lab site on my return home.

As an experienced vet you can't tell me he didn't know that!

No I didn't work at Hamsworth Mrs DeVere

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 19:34:34

So you would give antibiotics for every cut? Just incase it might get infected?

Its not entirely about avoiding a consultation fee. That will come in to it but for me its about using common sense. Why stress an animal for no reason? There is also the argument that if someone needs to go to a vet for every minor injury they shouldn't really have a pet in the first place.
That shows a lack of knowledge about animal care.

Now I don't mind if people feel the need to go to the vet every day if they want. Its not the NHS, they are not stopping anyone else getting treatment. But I do object to people telling me I should do it because of their own lack of confidence.

My 16 year old terrier has the occasional seizure. He might have one every 6mths - year.

I do not need to take him to the vet for these. He is happy and healthy. I do not want to put him on anti seizure medication for the sake of the very odd one he has.
Because the advantages would outweigh the disadvantages. It would be costly and pointless.

Likewise. If he got cancer I wouldn't have him treated. I would say goodbye and have him put to sleep and bring him home to be buried in the back garden.

YouMayLogOut Wed 10-Oct-12 19:41:07

Hear hear, Paiviaso.

I never said u couldn't use common sense. But I've also been unfortunate enough to see the other side. Animals brought in , in such a state as owners Mis judge how serious something was or play the " I can't afford it card" animals in such a bad way they had clearly been suffereing for days unnessecarily when a batch of frontline would have prevented the whole thing. Or a shot of antibiotics would have saved a surgical
Procedure. Or animals put to sleep as in order to save £60 spaying their puppy that dog developed a life threatening infection and they couldn't afford the surgery and treatment. sad

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 19:59:44

Well some people are stupid.

But equally a lot of 'animal' people treat pet owners with utter disdain. They are treated like bloody idiots.

I have experienced it when I worked at the RSPCA, when I have rehomed from Battersea and from numerous charities.

There is a culture of condescension that runs through the whole field of animal welfare that pisses me right off.

Just because there are irresponsible, ignorant animal owners out there does is not an excuse for the sort of behaviour I have experienced.

I have 'seen the other side' too. Sometimes people cannot afford it. Its not a card. Its an unfortunate reality. Animals should not be made to suffer but most cases are through ignorance rather than deliberate.

Like the hugely obese animals or ones that are left to linger for months after they should have been PTS.

Now that is probably one of the worst things I have seen sad animals made to hang on and hang on. I loved my cat so much but always promised myself that when time came I'd not put her thru what I'd seen.sad

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 20:23:06

I agree.
I remember seeing an elderly dog with a huge tumour on his head. It was blinding him and causing great discomfort. They wouldnt let him go. It was all about them and not him.

It must have been about 25 years ago and I can still see him.

Stays with u doesn't it sad I'll never forget the pet who effectively died in my arms. Felt so guilty as I was trying to syringe feed at the time but she was old and shouldn't have had the op in the first place and her little body just couldn't take it any more sad vets tried to resuscitate but to know avail. I still feel guilty for feeling so relieved it was all over for her. But I'm
Glad it happened with me. I may have been a stranger to her but I'm so thankful I was with her and she wasn't alone sad

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