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to wish anything above D cups were not treat like lepers ...

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YerMaw1989 Mon 08-Oct-12 14:04:45

by catalogues...

No I do not want a triumph doreen my mother doesn't even wear those, I would like my boobs to look like boobs not weird triangles , not be in white or beige (I don't mind beige if its plunge) Why do manufacturers thing women with bigger chests do not want cleavage in any way shape of form !!! I'm not asking for a lot


BenandBolly Mon 08-Oct-12 14:11:29

try plunge

BenandBolly Mon 08-Oct-12 14:15:16
juneybean Mon 08-Oct-12 14:16:22

I get my F's from simply be, expensive, also hit and miss on quality

wishiwasonholiday Mon 08-Oct-12 14:18:09

I get my e/f's from simply yours, there are some nice ones, they rang to offer me a discount on the triumph Doreen though and I said no thanks! Bought the most comfy bra i've ever had from there the other week, a goddess one.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 08-Oct-12 14:22:05

m&s do up to a h

There was a thread recently about wrong fitting etc.

Brastop was an online shop that was recommended and v v reasonably priced.

Hear hear(claps hands, stamps feet and blows whistle)
ONE of the local department stores does have nice scaffolding for my FFs, but the prices shock

Brandnewbrighttomorrow Mon 08-Oct-12 14:26:37

Totally agree with you op. Found this on the weekend though which have cheered me and my boobs up enormously grin

Brandnewbrighttomorrow Mon 08-Oct-12 14:27:09

Has not have blush

peeriebear Mon 08-Oct-12 14:28:30

Bravissimooooooooo smile

GilbGeekette Mon 08-Oct-12 14:28:58

Freya or Panache via Bravissimo. Pretty, well fitting and not too eye-wateringly expensive. M&S can be good, but I've found them to be a bit hit or miss. That said I'm currently wearing a bra from of their twin packs for about £24 for both. Bloody comfy, good shape and are wearing well. But no, YANBU in any way, shape or form. Makes me bloody fume that I have to go miles to Brighton (nearest Bravissimo) or buy online because I have the temerity to be a G cup.

YerMaw1989 Mon 08-Oct-12 14:30:11

Ooh brastop I will google.

Nice bra but rigby&peller? *phew expensive.

M&S are shit overall, even worse for measuring.

YerMaw1989 Mon 08-Oct-12 14:31:07

Aw god GlibGeekette I'm an E/F and that's bad enough.

cmt1375 Mon 08-Oct-12 14:31:18 is affordable
Bravissimo is good but pricy, bra stop cheaper but doesn't always carry the range good prices but the website could be better, great if you know what you want.

RedBlanket Mon 08-Oct-12 14:31:22

I dream of being a D cup.

I don't mind boring styles, its not like anyone ever sees them, I'd just like to get myself a new black bra and a new sports bra without remortgaging.

Themumsnot Mon 08-Oct-12 14:31:27

I buy all my (GG cup) bras on Ebay now. A lot of the Ebay lingerie shops do last season's stock in really good brands - Panache, Freya etc) for half of the cost of the new season stuff.

YerMaw1989 Mon 08-Oct-12 14:33:40

Some nice ones on leia , thanks for all the links.

ClippedPhoenix Mon 08-Oct-12 14:37:12

I'm a size EE have a fair pair and have to say I've reverted to the Genie Bra it keeps them up and is the most comfortable thing I have ever worn.

I get my g's from marks. They last well and are pretty. Don't expect them to be able to measure you correctly though...they are crap at this ime. I tend to go into the changing room with a variety of sizes and fit myself...a quick google will tell you how to do it.

oxford1972 Mon 08-Oct-12 14:44:26

Another one for Bravisimmo. Only hope when you are a j cup.

Housewifefromheaven Mon 08-Oct-12 14:51:39

Kelly brook has a range of big booby bras at new look. Not tried them but maybe a bit cheaper than Freya, fantasie etc.

Just putting it out there grin

Bunbaker Mon 08-Oct-12 14:55:05

"I dream of being a D cup."

So do I. I'm only an AA sad

Are women getting bigger or are bras sized differently these days? When I was younger I never came across anyone bigger than a DD.

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 15:01:51

Bunbaker. I think what you're referring to is what we call DD+ denial! Many women are a D cup and bigger but due to poor fitting by places like M&S are wearing the wrong size bra (usually too big in the band and too small in the cup).

If you are genuinely an AA cup then that means you measure the same under your bust as you do across your bust. Have you seen the recent thread called 'How do you wear your bras'? Some great info on there about how to measure and fit properly.

All my friends and relatives (even my size 6 teen niece with tiny little bumps) are a D or over when measured/fitted correctly. In the end, a D cup only means a difference of 4 inches between the two measurements.

Molehillmountain Mon 08-Oct-12 15:03:31

My local lingerie shop, lovely as it is, had me convinced that there was only one nursing bra in my size and so I've had rubbish shape for the last fifteen months. Why? sad

Molehillmountain Mon 08-Oct-12 15:04:54

And I was a k cup with dd1 - saying that outloud makes me go funny! Not in a good way.

Molehillmountain Mon 08-Oct-12 15:06:37

And finally, I would like breasts (plural) rather than a bust (singular). Glad to have got that off my considerable chest! smile

Bunbaker Mon 08-Oct-12 15:11:00

"In the end, a D cup only means a difference of 4 inches between the two measurements."

There is no way I am a D cup, or a C cup or even a B cup. I wear 34A padded T-shirt bras from M & S and they are a perfect fit. They aren't too tight or too loose. They sit properly on my ribcage and the cups fit properly.

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 15:15:17

Sound like you're in the right size then. So many people aren't as you know. Good old M&S put me in a 36C. Turns out I'm a 30G. Who knew?


I thought I was a 38A.

I was adament I was a 38A. As far as I was concerned they fitted/was borderline too big for my non existed boobs.

It took sorrelforbes and co nearly a week on the thread mentioned that there was no way I was a 38A.

I am now wearing a 32C/34D. They fit perfectly. The difference being that they are more shapely. I have a cleavage. I look feminine.

Post your under and over bust measurements here and sorrel will tell you what size bra you should be wearing and I gurantee that it isn't a 34A unless you wear size 16/18 clothes.

Xposts with sorrel.

But...I spent all week saying my bra wasn't too I would still post measurements and just let us humour you for a brief while smile

fatlazymummy Mon 08-Oct-12 15:26:16

I think M+S still use the old system of measurement, where you add 4 inches to the underchest measurements. That is why DD or above used to be unusual.
I think the best thing to do is to find a shop or brand that you know fits you properly and stick to them.

PedanticPanda Mon 08-Oct-12 15:28:00

Primark have some dd - f cup bras which are quite nice.

PedanticPanda Mon 08-Oct-12 15:28:38

Or I use lasenza too, they have nice bras.

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 15:31:33

Hi Haunted (champion bra sizing convert 2012!)

Didn't La Senza stop stocking anything over a D quite recently?

fluffiphlox Mon 08-Oct-12 15:33:25

I can recommend the Alana from Bravissimo for everyday. Comes with matching drawers if required. I wear a 34 HH in it. Despite how that sounds my bezongas are not that huge.

zukiecat Mon 08-Oct-12 15:34:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 08-Oct-12 15:34:17

sorrel would you mind doing mine? as ive just realised almost all my bras are compleatly different sizes?

would be handy to know if ive worked it out correctly

monsterchild Mon 08-Oct-12 15:36:56

My problem is that I have a very narrow chest and shoulders. the cups may fit (EE right now because of pregnancy) but the straps just fall off, or the band is too loose! If the straps fit ok, then the cups are usually too small.

Le sigh. is very frustrating!

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 15:38:45

Of course! Bear in mind it'll only be a guide size to get you started. You'll need to try other close sizes too, especially in different styles and makes.

What's your under bust measurement (hold the tape measure tightly). What's your over bust measurement (measured loosely wearing your best fitting bra).

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 15:39:56

Monsterchild. If the straps are falling down then your band is almost definitely too big. You probably need to go down in the band and up in the cup.

Bunbaker Mon 08-Oct-12 15:43:26

I have checked every online bra size calculator and I am indeed a 34A or AA depending on where I buy a bra. I have tried a 32 with a bigger cup size, but it is too tight and I can't breathe.

fluffyraggies Mon 08-Oct-12 15:43:32

'Arabella', by Freya. Lovely bra, bit see throo, choice of colours, can get them on ebay for around £15.

I'm 34F. Got about 6 or these bras!

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 08-Oct-12 15:43:38

underbust is 30+1/2 inches overbust is 42 inches

Bunbaker....every website I checked put me in a 38A.

I was insistent I wouldn't be able to do up a 34 let alone 32.

I think the feeling of not being able to breathe was phsycological for me. How can m&s and all the other bra manufacturers be wrong and MN be right (what was I thinking I must have been delluded grin ). I started wearig my bra on a tighter hook, and slowly came round to the idea.

I resisted for ages (which you can see on that thread). Then I got measured in debenhams at 34C. I am actually wearing 34C or 34D depending on brand.

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 15:53:03

Socking I'd try a 30HH or a 32H (and sizes around that!).

Bun. If you measure 32 underneath and the bra is still feeling too tight then normally I'd advise you to go up through the cups until the tightness becomes bearable. However, it's sounds like you're happy and comfy. We're all different after and the advice I (and others can give is jut a guide). BTW, all those online calculators are rubbish and out of date as they use the add 4/5 method which just doesn't work now that bras are made of modern fabrics.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 08-Oct-12 16:02:36

ohhh thats good news as the ones that fit the best are 32h.

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 16:04:24


YerMaw1989 Mon 08-Oct-12 16:14:57

Yes I second asda,

just had a scroll through ebay even most of those are hideous. *sigh

TirednessKills Mon 08-Oct-12 16:19:34

I use Ample Bosom grin Their sales are good.

I can't wear wired bras so mostly wear a very functional but comfy Anita bra.

BionicEmu Mon 08-Oct-12 16:31:33

When I was a teenager I was an E-cup. It was a pain in the arse as then most shops didn't stock above a DD. Then shops started creeping up, but so did my boobs angry. Now most shops stock up to an H, but I am a J (or a KK when pregnant).

DH has been most disappointed as I've crept up at the same rate as Ann Summers - always at least a cup size bigger than they do.

At least we have Bravissimo now. Although my search for a maternity swimsuit for bigger boobs has so far yielded nothing.

Re: small ribcages. IME you just need to try lots of different manufacturers. My mum is v petite and swears by Triumph, but I am a much larger build and for ne Freya is the way to go. Can't stand Panache either, but Bravissimo's own range have been a revelation - my boobs have never looked so perky! I do like a nice tight back though.

ontheedgeofwhatever Mon 08-Oct-12 16:35:34

I'm a J cup. If it wasn't for bravissimo my tits would be swinging by my knees!!


Tiago Mon 08-Oct-12 17:02:08

One day I will have a reduction. To maybe an E cup.
[looks down at chest that started as 30ff pre pregnancy and is now god knows what - sigh]

CouthyMowWearingOrange Mon 08-Oct-12 17:52:18

I'm marking my place till I find my tape measure. I'm coming back later so you lovely ladies can tell me what size I should be wearing, as I need to buy a new bra tomorrow (had this one for a year and it's falling apart).

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 17:55:21

We will be here waiting Couthy wink

littlecloud Mon 08-Oct-12 18:09:53

Boux Avenue do DD+ as well as small back sizes I'm a borderline 30E/32DD

I love their balconette bra's and wearing this

littlecloud Mon 08-Oct-12 18:11:20

one today with the high wasted matching pant's I think 50's glammer DH thinks granny pants lol

lovebunny Mon 08-Oct-12 19:00:25

get down to asda. just bought myself a racy little e for £6.

Enigmosaurus Mon 08-Oct-12 19:03:33

I get my absolutely enormous bras from here

Been really impressed with them so far.

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 19:08:29

Good link. <asks DH to hide credit card>

Enfyshedd Mon 08-Oct-12 19:16:53

Debenhams have a DD+ range called Gorgeous - Have bought most of my 36/38FF bras from there over the past few years as I can't afford Bravissimo all the time. I had a lovely silk balconette from there in the sale last year - I just have to wait for 4mo DD to finish BFing before I can wear it again!! grin

EcoLady Mon 08-Oct-12 19:17:54

I wear the Panache Tango 2 plunge. I'm 32H and have 12 of these bras in 9 different colours! grin

HedgeHogGroup Mon 08-Oct-12 19:21:02

Can't go wrong with Panache Tango eco (Hello to my "identical boob twin") grin
... have you thought about buying on Ebay, they're waaaay cheaper!

scarlettsmummy2 Mon 08-Oct-12 19:23:53

Freya are fab!

loopylou6 Mon 08-Oct-12 19:23:53

Thanks for the bra stop link, I've just bought myself a bra from there.

I normally really struggle coz I'm a massive size 46 G, what REALLY annoys me is places like bravissimo do large cup sizes, but not large back sizes sad

HedgeHogGroup Mon 08-Oct-12 19:35:49

I think we should all buy this and encourage the model to smile grin

oxford1972 Mon 08-Oct-12 20:31:38

Loopy are you sure you are a 46? I was a 42 back size but bravisimmo "measured" me as a 38.

Scaredycat3000 Mon 08-Oct-12 20:47:16

Oh dear, my eyes, why did I click on that link.
The thing I now realise from a resent, pregnancy/breastfeeding related, visit to Bravissimo is you pay for there service and knowledge. I originally shopped with them when they where a new company. When I was told I was a 34f, 20 years ago the only bra you could get that wasn't white was the Warners french collection in black. I had 3 I think. They where one of 3 places I could buy my size in a very limited, but improving, selection. Go forwards 15 years and I thought I new it, bought cheap bras, fitted myself. I got very confused as to my size as during pregnancy I shot up to a 34HH. I only found this out after a trip to Bravissimo. Over 2 DC's I go back every body change and they are brilliant. The last trip I the assistant spent 30 min with me until we found one that really suited me, and £25. She was lovely with my 3 wk old and leaky boobs.
My very resent source of bargain bras is Amazon. They stock all the major brands, some with utterly random prices. I bought some Panache bras for less than half price, they have now nearly gone back up to full price.

I want whatever bra (and top) Nigella was wearing in the first part of tonight's programme. Her boobs look goood.

MissRee Mon 08-Oct-12 21:04:56

Boux Avenue! I'm a 34G and I luffs their bras and service grin and the fact that they have drawers containing the knickers and different size bras - makes it feel posher

ILikeToMowIt Mon 08-Oct-12 21:41:59

mine have shrunk back again to pre-ds size:34H
while i was breastfeeding ds1 i was a 34L (bravissimo did one nursing bra that size). with ds2 i was even bigger, but squeezed them into 34L-s again, as that was the largest there seemed to be. did feel like a dairy cow occasionally
do i win? grin

SorrelForbes Mon 08-Oct-12 23:36:12

TBH I don't think I'd be smiling very much if I had to wear that bra grin

That thing they are calling a bra is a crime against bosoms!

greeneyed Tue 09-Oct-12 07:06:34

Do not get me started on M and S they ruined my boobs! Measured as a 36E on more than one occasion, a life of bra's not fitting and boobs not supported, wasn't till I went to a posh underwear shop for my wedding and the owner laughed when I said I was a 36E she said no you are not and meaasured me I was a 32G! Been supported ever since, I do wonder what might have been if they'd been properley hoisted all these years, alas I'll probably end up tucking them in my knickers!

To add insult to injury I went in when I was pregnant and asked for bras in my size, I was told that they wouldn't show me them or sell me them as they were underwired and I was pregnant wtf! I said I know there is some outdated advice out there about UW and pregnancy regardless I will make my OWN decision what I wear in my pregnancy, she still wouldn't show me so I walked out

Buy my bras from ebay now (new), seem to pick up all the major brands have had a few panache tango whixh I would also recommend, pay less than half the price of the shops

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 08:49:31

Life would be easier if I was a D cup or under - high street stores do not seem to stock bigger sizes even in their larger cup ranges - bizarre!

I was measure in Debenhmas Oxford Street (so a big store) as a 32GG after saying my 34G was not the right size as much too loose at the back, they had 1 32GG in a plain white t-shirt bra but nothing fancy so she brought me a load of 34FFs out - WTF? I ended up looking like I had 4 boobs so I gave up.

I may have to follow some of your links although its such a pain having to order loads then send back the ones that don't fit as I work long hours most of the week so miss the post office.

Bunbaker - mine are not real although I was hoping to go up to a D/DD from a C cup not up to a GG as they are not very big implants. Also I was previously measured at a 36C by M&S then as a 36E after the op by them. According to all other lingerie shops I am actually a 32GG or 34G as was wearing the wrong back size. Sorrel is right - it is really down to poor measuring. My SIL has no boobs at all and is a 30E or something like that - she is proper flat chested but that size fits her brilliantly.

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 09:00:24

Sorrel I think you were on another 'boob' thread recently and said about someone who is a 30/31 back not likely to be a 34 bra - I was convinced I was a 34 but am definitely a 32.

I always thought if you had a bra that was too tight you would 'spill' out the back but the effect is the complete opposite!

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 09:03:36

Madame. Yes, I am a boob/bra bore I'm afraid. smile

Its worth being boring though when people do give bra fitting another go and end up comfy and perky.

I must remember to email the new head honcho at M&S about their shocking fitting service and pathetic range of back/cup combos. I could do with a new job for Christmas!

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 09:05:09

Oh yes, i totally agree that elimination of back fat and underarm bulge can be hugely assisted by an increase in cup and decrease in band (even though that seems wrong!)

HELP please.
After reading this thread I decided to rummage in my bra draw, I don't think I have a single bra that fits correctly, I have been buying 40f bras, wearing them on the tightest fit and shoving my boobs into the cup in a sort breast shape.
I have had fitters (m&s, debenhams) say that there is nothing they can do about my boobs desire to sit under my armpits when standing, but I don't think that is right, I just think they are crap at sizing! I want my breasts at the front in a breast shape!
I have taken measurements this morning. I am back 37" and across bust 46", I measured whilst wearing a bra that sort if fits.
Can someone please give me an idea of what size I am so I can go shopping this afternoon and get something that fits

gallifrey Tue 09-Oct-12 09:11:59

The stupid thing is that I was trying to buy a sports bra and couldn't find one above a D cup! Surely it's girls with bigger boobs that are going to want extra support while they exercise!!?

trinitybleu Tue 09-Oct-12 09:13:27

Go to Bravissimo, get fitted, buy 1, go hame and find cheaper on ebay!

Tango II wearer here too (40G) but think I need refitting as getting pain under my armpit.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 09:20:17

Binky. As a starting point try a 36G and a 38FF. I suspect that the former may do the trick for you but it'll depend on style and make. No way on earth are you a 40 back. Good luck smile

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 09:21:06

I swear by my Freya underwired Active sports bra. It comes in big cup sizes. I have a FF.

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 09:21:09

Binky according to MN and Sorrels advice (which has been proven to be accurate) then you should be looking at a 36/38" back - work on the loosest hook to begin with (as the bra will stretch with wear/washing)

Not sure of cup size though - more than an F I would imagine though - Sorrel will help!

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 09:22:19

beat me to it - slow typing today!

I wear the shock absorber for the bigger sizes - they literally do not move a mm!! You can get them online much cheaper than in the sports shops.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 09:22:47

Binky when you're trying on bras later make sure you do them up on the loosest hooks. Have a read through this thread for more tips as guidance.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 09:23:40

Oh yes, Shock Absorber are meant to be v good too.

Gallifrey there are some great bras for sport but you need to try bravissimo or online. I'm a fan of the shock absorber

brav sell- on phone so can't link- but I know freya also do an excellent one.

Blinky, no way a 40, prob a 36g or gg.

I have managed to find a calculator that doesn't add 4 inches on to the back size so I put my measurements in and it gave me 38FF, I am looking forward to shopping now,
When DD gets home I'll measure her as I know she is wearing the wrong size, then I'll take her shopping as well

I'd definitely try the 36 too, o think it's probably more common to go down an inch than up. I'm a 30 and measure 31ish.

CheddarandMarmite Tue 09-Oct-12 09:34:11

Could anyone give me a pointer as to what size I should be wearing?

Totally confused after pregnancy and breastfeeding, just know my pre pregnancy bras no longer fit (they were 32F)

Currently wearing 34G nursing bras, and sick to death of them and think they are too big now that I have been BF for over a year, want to get some lovely new bras, but don't know what size.
Had a trip to M&S a few months back and tried on a massive range of bras and sizes, couldn't find anything that fitted (was trying from D to G cup, and 32 to 36 back and couldn't work out why nothing fitted sad)

Just got my tape measure out and I am 32 and a half inch round the ribs and 39 and a half round the bust.

Start at 32f, but you might need to experiment with different brands.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 09-Oct-12 09:43:19

M&S have some half-underwired sports bras (comfier than they sound) which go up to at least an F.

I do wish they'd lay their stores out better so that all the DD-plus, as they call it, was together.

greeneyed Tue 09-Oct-12 09:51:19

I actually feel like sueing M and S for the cost of a boob job smile it's years ago since I was fitted and back then NOWHERE did a G Cup, I just figured they measure you as a size they sold or not very good for custom! Please tell me this isn't still going on. I assumed things had moved on. I hate M and S they are big boobist bastards.

M and s are still utterly useless at fitting.

CheddarandMarmite Tue 09-Oct-12 09:58:46

So 32F should be right? But I don't think the ones I have screwed up in the back of the drawer are quite right. Or maybe the underwire just needs getting used to after non-wired ones for so long...

FutureNannyOgg Tue 09-Oct-12 10:01:30

Gallifrey, shock absorber are great, but also Freya do a wired sports bra which is amazing if you want a nice shape as well as control. I'm a belly dancer, so I want no movement and aesthetics, so these are great.

dollywashers Tue 09-Oct-12 10:04:08

Bravissimo is the best. I always get my bras from there. They have masses of colours and styles

MigGril Tue 09-Oct-12 10:05:59

bravissimo are fab, they fit you properly and I know they are a little pricy but when ever I try to buy anywhere else it just takes so much faff ordering different sizes and having to send them back.

They will fit you in an underwire when pregnant to. I wore underwiers until the last few Weeks with both of mine. they have to fit you slight differently to allow for changes but it is possible.

I haven't bought an bra from M&S in years I know they now do bigger sizes but I always found the material of their bras to be rubbish and not give good support.

I'd prefer to have a couple of really comftable bras then a draw full of ones that are just alright.

I would say 32f/ff would be the right starting point but it's not an exact science. If any of your 32f are still in decent condition then try it on fastened on the loosest hook, adjust straps etc and see how it feels. Do you have space around the back? Does the wire lie flat in the middle? Remember to scoop everything in to the cups first as this makes huge difference.

HazleNutt Tue 09-Oct-12 10:17:30

Bunbaker, if all bra sice calculators claim you are a 34A or AA, you are probably around 30D.

Northernlurkerisbehindyouboo Tue 09-Oct-12 10:21:14

I have the Panache Tango too - brilliant bra!

CheddarandMarmite Tue 09-Oct-12 10:24:21

Thanks statistically

Have just tried them all on again. Discovered that if I do them up to the tightest strap then two of them (John Lewis) fit better and are flat against my chest (seemed counter-intuitive) but not sure if the cup size is right - but can't actually work out if I think it is too big or too small - if I stand up straight seems too small and am bulging slightly at the top of the cups and if I slouch cups seem to gape a bit confused. May be partly that they are more plunging style than a nursing bra.

Other two (Debenhams) definitely don't fit, think the back is too big as they aren't flat against my chest, also am spilling out of the top of the cups.

greeneyed Tue 09-Oct-12 10:24:28

Yes i was told in Bravissimo that if the bra fit properly there were no problems with wires in pregnancy, only if it was digging into your breast tissue which it shouldn't be. Seems the avoid wired advice is outdated now however M & S don't really move with the times do they! Agree their bras are also rubbish and saggy in no time.

greeneyed Tue 09-Oct-12 10:25:30

If anyone in M & S marketing department picks up this thread on your radar, please can you send me £5000 to get my boobs uplifted and I'll stop slating you online smile

NumericalMum Tue 09-Oct-12 10:36:14

I went from a 34 whatever to a 30GG at bravissimo and my boobs are lovely now! I do struggle to find nice ones though. I like tshirt type ones and can get one I like, a panache one, in a 30G that is perfect. I bought 3 from amazon recently as they no longer seem to stock them anywhere.

Bizarrely I have a lot more trouble finding my back size than my cup size!

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 10:46:32

Same here NumericalMum. Have you tried this site?

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 10:49:02

Cheddar It sounds to me like you do need to go down a back size and up a cup, especially if you've got some bulging and you're doing the bras up on the tightest hooks. Bear in mind that plunge shapes might not be the best shape for you. I can't wear them as I fall out of even the biggest cups. I stick to baclcony style that give more uplift.

PropositionJoe Tue 09-Oct-12 10:50:02

Nonsense. There are loads of places that do big bras. Try getting a AA cup in any style other than plain (or "my first bra")

MsVestibule Tue 09-Oct-12 10:56:54

I'm 34FF and never have any trouble buying bras. I have a Sadie the Bra Lady shop a 5 minute walk from my house and Bravissimo is a 40 minute drive. Yes, they're expensive (upwards of £30) but I'd happily spend that on a top I'd probably only wear a few times, so why not spend that much on something I'll wear for 16 hours per day for a year?

No, I don't have a wide range of bras, but a sports bra, a "normal" bra and a plunge black bra for going out does me fine. But my £65 Bravissimo tankini will have to last me a few years wink.

Latara Tue 09-Oct-12 10:58:08

My problem is that i'm a 36GG (definitely) - i can afford no higher than max £30 a bra but would prefer to pay less.

I'm looking for the following:

Black or bright colours like pinks, dark reds etc. - i would never wear yucky white or beige.

Underwiring is essential; with a good fitting, supportive band underneath.

Slight padding is essential to give shape & to give a 'push up' effect.

I hate to admit it - but i'd prefer to look like i've got uplifted fake breasts that do not sag at all; than to look like i've got saggy, heavy breasts.

Minimising bras are ugly make me look fatter than i actually am.

Wide bra straps that can be made as short as possible are best for me (i have slim shoulders).

I like more breast coverage than you get from eg. a Balcony Bra - to minimize 'wobble' in ALL situations. (Except the gym - for which i'd need a separate Sports Bra. Sports Bra provision is shite for GG cups too.).

'ALL situations except the gym' includes:

In work - I work in a physically hard job (healthcare).
I have no car; so have to walk a lot or travel on buses with poor suspension.
At night - i may choose to go dancing in a club but no way could i hit the dancefloor without proper 'support'.

So i'm looking for a colourful, very supportive, padded, underwired push up bra in 36GG with fabric that covers 2/3 of the breast (but doesn't show under low-cut tops); wide-ish shoulder straps; & a decent price (under £30; preferably £20).

Any suggestions please?

NumericalMum Tue 09-Oct-12 10:59:03

Thanks Sorrel!

alemci Tue 09-Oct-12 11:02:28

I am a 30dd and very narrow across back and shoulders. usually JL are briliant but I bought a wonderbra in that size and it literally made marks on my back; it was uncomfortable

I have washed it and am hoping it will give a bit.

love Chantelle bras but they are expensive.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 11:11:49

alemci I think Wonderbra can come up a little small in the band.

PropositionJoe Hmm, it's not always nonsense. I'm a 30G and find it very hard to get bras on the highstreet as many shops only stock larger cups in a 32/34+ band.

HazleNutt Tue 09-Oct-12 11:23:09

Diference between the AA and G is that while AA can be just pretty, G needs to be feat of engineering to offer the necessary support. So even if there seems to be some selection available, most of them are useless.

Also, as sorrel said, bigger cups usually only come with bigger backs. Quite difficuly if you're slim but busty or even not so slim but over G cup.

I also agree, not nonsense. There are basically two shops in my city where I can get bras due to a combination of lots starting at a 32 or 34, and lots stopping at a dd or g. There are online options but I seem to spend a small fortune ordering stuff which doesn't fit correctly and needs posted back. Because of the pathetic amount available on the high street a huge number of big boobed women wear the wrong size which can have health implications.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 11:25:34

Latara So i'm looking for a colourful, very supportive, padded, underwired push up bra in 36GG with fabric that covers 2/3 of the breast (but doesn't show under low-cut tops); wide-ish shoulder straps; & a decent price (under £30; preferably £20).

What about:
Bra Stop Flirtelle
Debenhams Panache Fern
Ebay Freya Antoinette
Ebay Fantasie Evie
Freya Jolie
Ewa Michalak CHP Mak

loopylou6 Tue 09-Oct-12 11:55:52

Oxford, thanks for pointing that out, I'm going to see if I can measure myself the bravissimo way smile

RedBlanket Tue 09-Oct-12 12:09:32

Propositionjoe - loads of ah

RedBlanket Tue 09-Oct-12 12:11:55

Oops, meant to say
Loads of shops do big cups, but not with small backs as well 32g here. There really isn't all that much choice and hardly ever less than £25-30 for something decent. And if you want strapless, backless forget it!

YerMaw1989 Tue 09-Oct-12 12:16:12

I got myself a few extenders off the net pretty cheap, good for inbetween pregnancies coz I always go up a backsize when preg.

Or just in shops where the backsize isn't as good as your other bra's etc.

some really good links on here.

SusanneLinder Tue 09-Oct-12 12:21:45

I am reduced to Debenhams or M and S for my 13 year old! She measures a 30DD. Bras most expensive thing I buy her.

Dunno where the boobs came from, I am only a 36c, and her sisters are around the same.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 12:26:50

My 13 yr old niece is a 28DD (although Debenhams put her in a 30D in one bra as she said the 28 was too tight!). I managed to get her a nice double pack of lightly padded bras in Debenahs. I can't remember exactly how much they were but they were definitely under £20.

But, as us 'Bra Bores' keep saying, a D/DD isn't big busted at all. A 'D' cup is only a 4" difference between the under and across bust measurements.

alemci Tue 09-Oct-12 12:31:24

yes my dd is a 28E. now 18. she kept getting bigger and it cost a fortune.

she is much bigger than me at that age. i think it is the hormones in the water possibly.

Sorrel that website is fantastic! Real size women celebrating their curves - am fed up of looking at bras online and seeing models with tiny breasts showing off the bras...

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 12:43:40

Ewa Michalak? Great isn't it? I've got one of the CH (half cup) bras. It is extremely uplifting and whilst it does make me feel very busty, it gives a great shape!

YerMaw1989 Tue 09-Oct-12 12:44:35

I was a 36D by the time I was 14.

I started developing at 8 though.

yeah I'd have thought coz isn't the average cup size a C? that models would be like at least a a C?

SusanneLinder Tue 09-Oct-12 12:46:24

I got the double pack for her, but they don't do 2 white bras which is a PITA. One white/black or one whie/beige.Not suitable for school under school shirts.

alemci Tue 09-Oct-12 12:49:19

would have thought the beige one would be fine under white.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 12:53:37

Yep, I always buy nude/beige to wear under white blouses. White underwear tends to show through beneath white or light coloured tops. Apparently (although I haven't tried it), you can wear a red bra under a white t-shirt and it doesn't show.

I think many people consider C to be about average but if everyone was properly fitted then I suspect it would be much more like an E or an F!

CheddarandMarmite Tue 09-Oct-12 12:56:11

Thanks Sorrel, I think you are right about plunge styles not being for me, turns out the two that don't fit at all are plunge and the two that fit Ok-ish are balcony ones.

But the plunge ones are such pretty colours <wails>

toboldlygo Tue 09-Oct-12 13:24:16

A D cup really isn't very big if it's on a small back size. I wear a 30E (used to wear 34C with bizarre saggy four-boob effect) and do not have big norks. You'd laugh out loud if I told you my size in person because they're really quite modest.

I have no trouble finding E cups but they usually start at a 32 or 34 back - supermarkets, Primark etc. are buggers for this, you can't get cheap everyday bras in small back sizes because every other woman is wearing the wrong size and they think 34-38 are the most common sizes. Possibly they are but as a dress size 10-12 there are lots of women smaller than me who must be a 26 or 28 back, how they buy bras I do not know.

Just flipped through an Avon catalogue to find that they do their bras in a 38B but nothing below a 34 back. Surely 38B is the more unusual size? That would be the equivalent of a woman who is perhaps a dress size 18 but with only two inches difference between underbust and overbust.

Thank you thank you and once again thank you. For the first time in so long I can't remember, I am wearing a bra that I don't want to take off.
I've been to Asda, easiest and quickest place. I tried on a couple of 36G back size perfect (I didn't realise my back was that small) but the cup wasn't big enough but Asda don't do larger cups, so I tried 38G, it fits, I've not been nipped or stabbed. My breasts are at the front if my body and not hiding under my armpits and they are in the cups and staying in there even when I bend forward.
I am comfy and happy!

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 13:28:16

toboldlygo yy. Nearly all the young (teens/20s) girls I know are wearing the wrong bra size. It's very depressing. I try and advise them when they complain about not feeling comfortable or looking right and they are like hmm

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 13:29:45

Binkyridesagain Good to hear! Don't be surprised however to find that you'll soon want to go down/up to a 36GG smile once you get used the tighter band.

I can't wait grin smaller back, bigger boobs what's not to like

toboldlygo Tue 09-Oct-12 13:36:23

Yes Sorrel, thinking back my first bras as a teen were 34B and 34C - they must have been very poorly fitting indeed as I was a skinny streak of nothing aged 13-18. Then it all went wrong (grin) but I'm still only a 30 back two dress sizes later.

I have subtly tried to advise friends and family, most of whom claim C cups but are hugely bigger of nork than I. I actually get an urge to tap people on the shoulder in the street when I see that their bra obviously does not fit. blush Not that I ever would but it makes me itch.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 13:46:01

I am dreadful for spotting badly fitting bras when out and about. The temptation to interfere is very strong. So far, though, I have resisted apart from the size 8/10 girl in the Debenhams fitting room queue who was waiting to try on a load of 36A bras

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 13:47:19

I'm not subtle at all with family and friends grin. My biggest triumph this summer was getting my niece, stepdaughter and stepson's gf into the correct bra sizes in one epic afternoon!

FiercePanda Tue 09-Oct-12 13:48:00

I'm a J cup and too skint for Bravissimo, so am stuck with Triumph Doreens. Grim. sad

Fierce try brastop or the leia outlet sections, they have some lovely things up to a j and beyond in non bravissimo prices.

PropositionJoe Tue 09-Oct-12 13:59:55

Ok ok, you're going to tell me I'm wearing the wrong size too. If I'm 31inch under bust and 32.5 around then what - 32A but not in Marks and Spencers? I'm wearing 36AA from there and I think it fits - snug around the chest and supportive cups but plain and boring as that's all I can get

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:03:00

I'd probably start you in a 30B or C or maybe a 32A or B.

Honestly, a 36 is very very big for your under bust measurement.

I have the same underbust and wear a 30, so either a 30 or at most a 32 back. If a 30, then a b or c, and a 32 between an a and b. M and s are truly useless in most cases.

GockandJuice Tue 09-Oct-12 14:10:41

I wear 32gs from M&S but I'm now thinking am i in the wrong size? I measure only 27 inches just under my boobs

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:11:15

Yes, you probably need a 28 or maybe even a 26!

Oops another thread about bras turns into a fitting service run by statistically challenged and sorrelforbes.

Tis really good for womankind...hopefully the op doesn't mind being hijacked smile

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:13:19

Eek blush. I need to restrain myself.

I think I started it...

Weirdandwonderful Tue 09-Oct-12 14:15:43

A sophisticated pair (on phone, can't link) has a bra calculator that works and doesn't add 4-5 inches
Fuller figure fuller bust has a blog and Facebook page both v helpful

SwimmingLikeADuck Tue 09-Oct-12 14:17:49

Ohh, could I join in with a plea for help. Im a 32 across the back and a 38 over my breasts. Am currently wearing a 34E which looks like a good fit but leaves me with painful red marks at the sides of my rib cage -I basically go braless under my dressing gown after 7pm as I can't wait to feel less restricted. I feel like my back fat (nice!) spills out a bit under my current bra too.
Any help?
Loving the thread, thanks op, hopefully Ill be online shopping this evening and throwing out my grey, once white bra in favour for something more comfortable in a pretty colour!

We are terrible! But haunted has definitely earned her gold star bra geek badge!

But gock, get ye a 28 and probably up a couple of cups. A 26 might even be better but finding those is a bit like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!

Swimming, 32e to start but if the cup feels ok on current also try an f

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:25:15

We are indeed (and that includes you Haunted!).

swimming I'd try a 32E but if you're finding a 34E uncomfortable then you may want to consider a 32F too. A properly fitting bra will leave red marks (just like socks) and TBH I usually take mine off in the evenings too grin

CelticPromise Tue 09-Oct-12 14:25:23

Hello again bra ladies! I can't resista bra thread.

Just wanted to add to the sports bra recommendations- I'm a G cup and find the Panache one effective and also get a decent look with it. For high impact the most solid I've ever worn is the Enell which is ugly and gives you monoboob but they don't shift.

Shock Absorbers come up quite small in my experience.

LessBounce is a good site for sports brasand has lots of helpful reviews.

SwimmingLikeADuck Tue 09-Oct-12 14:25:37

Thanks statistically. Would an 32 back just dig in even more?

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:25:52

Oops cross post!

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:27:16

Hi Celtic

I need to try the Enell I think. I don't care how it looks really as long as it stops any movement!

Pootles2010 Tue 09-Oct-12 14:30:18

Sure I heard something on radio ages back about how larger bras have to be designed by civil engineers... something about because its a 'semi-solid' mass its really difficult to support whilst allowing free/natural movement...

Surprisingly not swimming. A lot of the time when a back is a bit loose, it means it moves and rubs more than when it is tight enough. A well fitting back will stat put, so while you get a few red marks they dont have the friction rubbing you get from one too loose.

JollyJack Tue 09-Oct-12 14:38:07

My boobs and I don't have a good relationship. They cause me pain and went up to a 34k when I was BFing.

I have the following bras:

34HH well worn nct breastfeeding bra - no pain, boobs look crap.
32GG panache underwired - boobs look amazing, wire against chest in the middle. Back fat and underarm fat. Pain up my shoulders and neck if I wear it for more than a couple of hours.
34GG & 32H Royce no underwire - no back fat. Boobs don't look great. Pain in shoulders and neck if I wear it for a whole day.

Have had bravissimo fittings too, but I can't tell if a bra is going to hurt unless I wear it for a whole day.

JollyJack Tue 09-Oct-12 14:43:50

My measurements are 84cm (33 inch) under bust and 104cm (41 inch) bust.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:48:31

JollyJack My measurements are 84cm (33 inch) under bust and 104cm (41 inch) bust

Going on the above I would have said try a 32G or 34FF. If you want a good shape you're going to need an underwire and it sounds like you're finding a 32 in an underwire a little uncomfortable. Maybe try a 32H? What style have you tried?

JollyJack Tue 09-Oct-12 14:56:41

Thank you Sorrel

That's the one I have in 32GG. Panache superbra melody.

They need better names I think. Superbra doesn't sound appealing to me!

JollyJack Tue 09-Oct-12 14:57:58
SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 15:00:53

That's quite a full cup shape. I don't have any Panache bras so can't comment on how they fit etc. Statistically? Hazel?

Maybe you would be better in a more moulded or padded cup (I don't get on with unpadded bras at all)?

Jolly this may also be a brand issue. I cannot wear panache, even when the fit is correct they are the wrong shape for my boobs. Can I suggest ordering a few in the sizes sorrel suggests, but a mix of brands and shapes and trying them out around the house for a wee while so you can tell if they actually fit? Sometimes you just cant get enough of an idea in a 5 minute try on.

Oh, also, at those kind of sizes you definitely need wires. My personal favourite day to day bra is probably the bravissimo Alana, which has a good sturdy back and straps if you are over a g. I think it comes up a smidge small. Also, are you scooping?

GockandJuice Tue 09-Oct-12 15:13:32

thank you sorrel! i think i'm going to have a look into this, all my bras tend to ride up in the back but the cup seems fine so i think i might be wearing the back size too big?

HazleNutt Tue 09-Oct-12 15:13:52

honestly you don't check a thread for a couple of hours and you have dozens of women in new bras grin

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 15:15:28

Gock Yep, a back that rides up is a definite sign that you're wearing too big a band. However, if you start wearing a smaller band then you will almost certainly need to go up in the cup.

YerMaw1989 Tue 09-Oct-12 15:15:59

I know you see a lot of sports bra types on people who are far too large chested for them and are essentially polishing kneecaps shock

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 15:18:28

Hazel Where have you been? grin

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 15:19:23

YerMaw1989 indeed! I see some lovely sights at my gym classes.

GockandJuice Tue 09-Oct-12 15:28:17

sorrel thanks! I'll keel over i reckon, i'll give a 28H a go! That sounds huge!

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 15:31:24

Or maybe even a 28HH? What's your across bust measurement?

JollyJack Tue 09-Oct-12 16:04:23

Thank you all. I am scooping, I think. If it means leaning forward and jiggling, trying to get all my cup in the bra. I will have a browse of the websites and order a few. I think that's a great idea. Thanks smile

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 16:05:30

Not just jiggling, but literally using your hand to scoop all the flesh from under your arms and your back into the cups. Tis very attractive!

Yup, scooping is far more forceful than jggling. It gets rid of back and underarm fat- often winds up showing a need to go down in back and up in cup too.

JollyJack Tue 09-Oct-12 16:38:27

I shall try that too!

mrsrosieb Tue 09-Oct-12 18:37:53

Bras over a D cup require different material and are apparently far more expensive to manufacture.

No shop wants to label a particular bra one price for smaller cup sizes and a different price for bigger cups-consumers would not like that.

That is why. It is not some sort of discrimination, it is just about profit margins.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 19:09:43

Hmmm, I get that mrsrosieb, but there are always loads of 34Cs around and technically they're the same cup volume as a 32D, a 30E and so on. This link is brilliant

Bunbaker Tue 09-Oct-12 19:23:58

"Bunbaker, if all bra sice calculators claim you are a 34A or AA, you are probably around 30D."

I wish, but I am most definitely not a D cup in any shape or form. M & S 34A T-shirt bras fit me exactly.

Honestly Bunbaker, the size calculators are absolute tripe. You may be a 34a if that is what actually fits, but the M&S size chart for example lists a 34A as measuring 29.5, 33. In reality someone with those measurements is actually more like a 30D - they still use an old fashioned measurement method that isn't correct.

An A cup means there should only be a difference of approximately 1 inch between your underbust and overbust measurements.

Sorry, that should say 30C or D.

mrsrosieb Tue 09-Oct-12 19:37:41

sorrell i am just going off something Theo said on Dragon's Den when they had a pitch from a firm that made bigger cup size bras

HazleNutt Tue 09-Oct-12 19:37:48

Bunbaker, could you tell us your under- and overbust measurements? D does not necessarily mean you're massive, really.

I heard that comment too Rosieb - it's just silly (from his POV) as it takes a cup size as being an absolute measurement. The weight of a d cup on say a 28 back is far far less than the weight of a d cup on a 40 back. Compare the two in a shop one day - I suspect a 28D cup will be roughly the size of your fist, and the 40D will practically fit on your head.

bunbaker someone upthread recommended a bra size calculator which doesn't use the +4/5 method.

I think it was called perfect pair.

Honestly I have learnt that most guides for bra size are incorrect. If your measurements lead m&s to conclude you are a 34A you are most definitely not.

M&s, next, Tesco all the bra size calculators say I am a 38A (which you can't buy).

Sorrelforbes, statistically challenged and co say I am a 32D/DD or 34C/D.

I got myself measured in debenhams as a 34C. The woman did say I was between a 32 and 34.

I have since bought some new bras in 32D. I'm not convinced my 36A bras were particularly bad but I definitely have a better profile in my new bras. Sorrel and statisically will tell you how much I argued with them. I even listed about 6 different websites which insisted I was a 38A.

As they say if you are happy and comfortable and have bras that suit you great. But as I found out quoting the m&s size calculator is not good enough evidence of an accurate bra size smile

Whatever do you mean Haunted? You weren't even remotely hard to persuade......wink

Bunbaker Tue 09-Oct-12 20:01:16

M & S haven't measured me. I try the different sizes on and the 34A fits me exactly so why should I try another size?

Here's the site which is recommended to be accurate calculator. I havent tried it as I am on my phone and it uses java. Perhaps one of the gurus could give their opinion and then you can tell us what size this recommends smile

Bunbaker Tue 09-Oct-12 20:02:41

And I haven't used any of the online size calculators to measure what size I need. I just try bras on instead. Isn't that what the experts do?

I thought you said the online calculator said 34A? That's what I meant.

Sorry Bunbaker, you said upthread that you had tried lots of online calculators..... so I took you at your word.

Yes, trying on and experimenting is the best way to get the correct size. Although it is important to know what a well fitting bra looks like, which many women (not you personally, an in general comment) don't.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 20:06:28

Isn't Theo connected to La Senza who have suddenly stopped producing bras over a D cup? wink


When I was fitted they measured underhand to get that right and then she decided my cups where right on my current bra so adjusted the letter to take into account the smaller band. Triied it and realised wasn't quite right so tried another.

So in my limited experience they do measure under but not over.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 20:07:52

Bottom line Bunbaker is that if you're happy then that's all that matters. Can you just humour me though and tell me how many fingers you can get under the band of the 34A?

I think he used to own La Senza, sold it before it flopped then set up Boux Avenue...could be wrong tho

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 20:27:18

Bunbaker a 36E fits me but is not the best size to make me look my best - a 32GG or 34G seems to be much better, in fact 32GG is probably the best fit. I measure 31.5 under bust.

You may be really surprised. I went through my pre-kids years wearing a 34C, then a 36C and now I am in a 32 back. SIL was wearing a 34B and is now in a 30E I think - she really looks like an A cup but now her boobs look so much better in her new bras.

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 20:32:25

The experts tend to measure back size then just try various different cups to see which looks best as different makes vary quite a bit.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 20:34:11

Ahh, what Boux Avenue that sells larger sizes? <winks again>

Sorrel can you do my measurements please

I measure 41.5 under busy and 49 round bust

YerMaw1989 Tue 09-Oct-12 20:46:26

Do Boux Avenue sell larger sizes? it seemed all small sizes once when I stuck my head in.

Bunbaker Tue 09-Oct-12 20:47:04

"I thought you said the online calculator said 34A? That's what I meant."

They did. I only looked at them because of this thread. I have seen one that says I might be a 32C, so next time I am looking for a bra I will look at them.

"Can you just humour me though and tell me how many fingers you can get under the band of the 34A?"

I am in my jim-jams right now, but normally I wouldn't be able get more than one or two. My 34As are pretty tight.

Under bust I measure 30" and on the bust I measure 33". I have looked at loads of bra measuring sites and they all come up with different answers, although the most common one is 34A.

I am still not convinced that I am C or D cup - I am more of a Kate Moss than a Katie Price sad

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 20:51:20

I think they go up to a G possibly? So, not that big but better than some places.

Bun on those measurements I'd say 30C actually. A C cup on a 30 back genuinely isn't massive. My soon to be sis in law is that size I think - I noticed a massive difference in how she looked lately, couldn't put my finger on it then heard her telling a friend about the amazing bra fitting she'd had!

KormaChameleon, I's start at a 42F, but depending on how that feels you may want to try a 40FF/G as well.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 20:52:44

Kormachameleon I'd start with a 42F or possibly even a 40FF and take it from there. Don't forget to scoop and be brave going up through those cup sizes!

JollyJack Tue 09-Oct-12 20:54:09

Did you look at the link Sorrel posted at 19:09? It talks about exactly what you're saying, bunbaker

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 20:55:54

Bunbaker Honestly, give it a go. My 13 yr old niece measures 28 under and 34 over and was wearing a 34A on her little bumps, bless her. She is now wearing a 28DD/30D depending on style. She is very pleased with herself grin

HazleNutt Tue 09-Oct-12 20:57:19

Bun, what statistically said. Try a 30C. Not only will it fit better, you will go from A to C in 5 minutes, no surgery required grin

HazleNutt Tue 09-Oct-12 20:58:49

Oh and Katie Price is nowhere near a D.

P.S the press, as a whole, talk utter utter BS about bra sizes. Katie Price is in all probability something like a 28J - she has a tiny back. I just saw something suggesting Naomi Campbell is a 34B - a 34, a ha ha ha ha.....

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 21:01:38

Apparently Katie Price is 32FF. I don't think she actually is as my boobs at a 32GG are definitely not bigger than hers. She is also tiny under her bust.

MadameCupcake Tue 09-Oct-12 21:03:17

x-posts - exactly Statistically! Since having my op I have had my eyes opened to bra sizes. I think there should be bra parties (a bit like Body Shop parties) where you have a few glasses of bubbly and have your boobs measured! Do they exist??

Thanks for relies

I am wearing 40 g and I have breast escaping from everywhere :-(
Should I go up to 42 ? To be honest 40 feels loose enough

Have you ever seen pics of how badly her bras fit?

I remember years ago when she released her range that was made by Panache, and there were stories saying they fitted her then and found she was a 30G. I suspect that was still stretching the truth, since the range started at a 30 and only went up to a G and they couldn't exactly have her fronting a range she didn't fit

CelticPromise Tue 09-Oct-12 21:11:09

Korma I'd stick with the 40 and try a bigger cup size if you think the band is right. You should be able to get two fingers under the band. If it's looser than that maybe try a 38? But go up thecup and be sure to scoop!

When you say you have breast escaping everywhere - can you describe where from? If you have excess it almost certainly means you need to go up in the cup, but the back may need switched too. If you can do up a 40 and just get a couple of fingers inside the band then DO NOT go up in the band.

If you put the bra on, lean right forward and forceably scoop everything in from your back/underarms, then have a look, how is it? Check the back - how loose is it? What about the cups - do you have a noticeable 4 boob, or just a little bulge when you breathe in?

P.s. Korma, the cup size is much harder to get from a measurement, hence the questions.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 21:21:25

Ahhh, the media and celebrities bra sizes. Drives me bonkers. Apparently Christina Hendricks is a 36DD. Yeah, ok hmm. More like a 32HH!

Lavenderhoney Tue 09-Oct-12 21:24:19

Bra buying is a dismal business. I am am 32 ff and it's very difficult. I go to debenhams who do a great range for me. I buy a 34 f depending on bra design. Rigby and pellar in London are great if you can get there and agent provocoteur do some big sizes but not for every daysmile I just bought mothercare biggest when preg and bf. I have a small ribcage and am petite also I don't want a beige boulder holder, thanks v much! Sport bras, playtex are good, just jump up and down in the changing room. Your boobs shouldnt move!


I think I'm spot on with 38/40 back as it is comfortable and on loosest clip and can get finger underneath

However in a g cup I have boob joining my armpit, double boob on top, bra doesn't sit flat inbetween

I think my problem is that my boobs are really round - does that make sense ?

They look false as they are so round and melon like blush

OK, it sounds like the cup is quite significantly too small in that case - if the bra is that far off you won't get an accurate measurement as it will be distorted by the, ahem, escapage!

It sounds like you have the right idea with the back - loosest clip, just one or two fingers underneath. So, it sounds like you need to start working your way up through the cups to find the right one. Personally from what you say I would be ordering an H and an HH as a starting point as it sounds like you are at least two cups too small. 1 cup isn't massively noticeable (on me at least) - it's just a slight bulge when breathing in.

You might also need to experiment a bit with bra shapes to get the right one. I know exactly what you mean shape wise - a friend had a reduction and uplift and they looked very round.

this page might be useful for helping to identify a good shape for you. Do you have anywhere nearby that has a good range in bigger sizes, or are you looking at online ordering?

HollyHopDrive Tue 09-Oct-12 22:12:59

I do like a good bra thread, could sorrel or any other boob ladies help please?

I am now only bfing at night but I don't feel like there is much milk left and my nursing bras are definitely baggier, so much so I put on my old underwires which are fine but a little bit of overspill but they do feel loose.

My nursing bra was a 30H (also had a 32H in a different style but this was much looser) so I am wearing an old 32FF Deco bra - I seem to remember these come up a little big in the cup though. It does ride up a little at the back too but comfortable enough but when I tried on my 30FF I couldn't do it up.

I measured 31 underbust and 40 overbust. So my questions are;

Will my boobs shrink much more and is it worth bra shopping yet or waiting till completely finished bfing?
Does the 30FF not fit because it is too small in the cup and would I be able to do up a 30G or GG?

What styles are good for erm, emptier boobs? The Deco bra is great for me but some other styles would be nice too, don't think a full cup is good for me as all my boob is underneath, I don't have much natural cleavage if that makes sense.

I wore a 36B before I had DS1, lost weight so went to a 34C, but having found the joys of Bravissimo for nursing bras I was probably a 30 or even a 28 given that I'm 3 stone heavier now! Though if I said to someone I was a 30G they would laugh cos they're not that big!

RedBlanket Tue 09-Oct-12 22:15:20

I'm going to have to measure myself tomorrow. Mine are a bit loose and I'm not sure whether it's because they'rewashed too much or ifI'm wearing the wrong size again.

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 22:21:49

Holly. I can't advise about the BF stuff but if the 30FF is too then I think you should try a 30G/GG. I am a 30G but would struggle to do up a 30F.

HollyHopDrive Tue 09-Oct-12 22:28:00

Ah brill, thanks Sorrel, I think I may hover between a 30 and 32 but then when my 30 didn't do up I was confused! Will try a few on next time I go shopping

SorrelForbes Tue 09-Oct-12 22:41:23

Sorry, meant to say that I would try balcony styles as they tend to be better for those who have the fullness on the bottom of their boobs.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 09-Oct-12 22:51:36

Holly I am 35.5in underneath pulling really tight and have gone for a 34 on the loosest setting. I can do them up and get two fingers in (just) and will have a tiny bit more room after the first wash, I'm sure.

unsurealways Tue 09-Oct-12 22:55:35

So excited about this thread. It has answered so many of my old bra annoyances. I am currently PG so no point in me doing any pretty bra shopping, but I know now for future what to be doing.

Based on what i've seen in this thread pre-pregnancy my 40.5 underbust and 47 overbust puts me into a 40F ... is that about right Sorrel and Statistic?

That's mental. I don't own a single 40F bra. My bra box is full of sizes from 40DD, 40E, 42D and I have had problems with all of them for various reasons. I shall definitely be re-measuring and shopping once this pg and breastfeeding is done.

It makes me cringe now thinking of my bad-fitting bras in highschool. My grandma used to buy them for me, and refused to consider that I was a bit chesty. I spent about five years squeezing into non-padded, ugly 34B and 34C's when I was most probably more like a 36E at the time!

My poor breasts.

That's certainly where I would start unsurealways!

ouryve Tue 09-Oct-12 23:00:36

Triumph Doreen may be vile (though I found that style of bra great in early pregnancy when I needed firm scaffolding with no hard bits) but their underwired bras are lush - I have a lot of their Amourette 300, which is pretty and lacy and soft

ouryve Tue 09-Oct-12 23:25:41

There's no wonder women are wearing such poorly fitting bras - I'm 33" under bust and 39" around and this site has me at a 38A. I wear a 34DD.

I'm loathe to link to it, but have a look at the M&S one. It would have you at a 38DD

Their chart has no logic to it whatsoever. They have someone with a 23.5" underbust and 29 inch overbust, in a 28AA (ok I know you can't really get 24s but...) yet they have a 33.5" under, 34" over, as a 38AA.....has nobody told them that cup size is about the relationship between your measurements!

Thanks for advice and link statistically x

Spermysextowel Wed 10-Oct-12 00:22:25

Last week I spent an hour & an absolute fortune in Rigby & Peller. Used to go to them years ago when I had a full-time & a part-time job & no kids. I figured that the money I'd saved by alternating just 2 bras for the last 3 years gave me a decent excuse - that the fact that several attempts at trying on a swathe that I guessed were right had left me hot, bothered & tearful. Was convinced that I'd put on so much weight that I'd need some bespoke article! A broken wire finally made me do something; it stabbed into me so much that I had to escape to the office loo to stuff a wodge of loo roll twixt self & sharp end. Yep, as you can guess when I was doing customary bra-hoik on way to copier it fell out, leaving an unpleasant blood-spotted bundle on the floor.
I'm a 38f. 38 was what I'd been trying, but in way too small a cup size. New bra felt tight round the band at first, but as the bra gurus on here have mentioned it leaves far less of a mark than the saggy old ones as it sits where it's supposed to. In the fitting room you could see the vivid red line of the old one about 2 inches below the band of the new one. I no longer have to surreptitiously 'scoop' in the office as my goods don't fall out of the bottom anymore.
I came away with 3 lovely bras (tho they insisted in writing 'not recommended' against 1 of them on the receipt as they weren't happy with the cup fit but it's for fancy evening wear only so can't do too much damage & is now known as the naughty bra) & also the confidence to hold my own against assistants who try to persuade me that I'm a size in which I know I don't feel comfortable.

And I promise I'll hand-wash them. For at least a month. Bras, not difficult assistants.
Oh, & apparently black will always come up slightly tighter than identical in white/skin tone because of the dyeing process.

A good-fitting bra makes such a difference; all I need to do now is: make the children stick to the cleaning rota; remember which days they need they need PE kit; try not to forget degu food; clear the house as the builders are starting mid-Dec....Does anyone have thermal underwear recommendations???

Bunbaker Wed 10-Oct-12 07:34:44

"Bun, what statistically said. Try a 30C. Not only will it fit better, you will go from A to C in 5 minutes, no surgery required"

Since I find a 34 band very tight, how on earth am I going to get a 30 on without constricting my breathing? I will try other sizes because this thread has been very illuminating, but I am not convinced that I can get a better fit than I do already.

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 08:08:51

Morning Bun

Basically because at present your boobs are taking up all the back stretchiness. Bras are weird things! I am a 30G (measure 30.5 under bust and 38.5 across) but there is no way I can get a 30 done up in a smaller back.

The best way I've found to check back size is to measure under bust (I think in your case 30?) and then put a bra on in that size, back to front (so just the hooks done up on the loosest hooks and the straps hanging down). If it feels tight but bearable (I.e. you can still breath) then that is the correct band size for you. You shouldn't be able to strategy the band a long way from your body or get more than a couple of fingers under it at the front. If its really too tight (and remember it will feel tighter than you're accustomed to) then go up a band. If you can fit more than two fingers under the band and/or the strap is rising up, turns it too big and you need to go down a band.

Once you've got the correct band on, turn it around the right way, lean forward and scoop all your breast tissue from under our arms and around our back into the cup. Put the shoulder straps on, tighten as required and then stand up. Any bulging or quadraboob means you need to go up another cup (or more). As SC suggests, start the above process with a 30C and take it from there.

You may be pleasantly surprised.

If the cup is too small then it can massively distort how tight the back of the bra feels. The cup kind of borrows fabric from the back. Also, if the back is loose then the cup falls forward slightly which pulls on the back and makes it feel tight.

It might also be that the back is sitting higher than it should- a well fitting bra starts surprisingly low down

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 08:09:41

Oops, sorry that should have said 'smaller cup'!

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 08:10:56

Sigh. So many typos. It's early...

Bunbaker Wed 10-Oct-12 08:43:00

" lean forward and scoop all your breast tissue from under your arms and around your back into the cup"

I had to smile at that. I don't have much breast tissue. The hospital struggles when I have mammograms to fit anything at all on the pates

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 08:44:49

smile. I made my niece 'scoop' her little
bumps. She was hmmblush but it took her from a 32c to a 28DD.

MarchelineWhatNot Wed 10-Oct-12 09:07:48

Has anybody mentioned Elle MacPherson? Her bras go up to a G cup and are beautiful.

HazleNutt Wed 10-Oct-12 09:15:35

Ah come on Bun, try.
let me tell you, I was a 36DD myself and my bras were tight enough, leaving marks and everything. I certainly didn't think I needed a smaller band, because I'd always been a 36DD and was used to the feeling.

I'm a 32FF/G really.

Sure you can do it gradually as well, try a 32B and see how that feels.

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 09:17:26

The Elle McP bras are lovely. However, I've never managed to find a 30G in JL or HoF to try on. Maybe I should order some on-line.

MarchelineWhatNot Wed 10-Oct-12 09:29:48

Hi Sorrel, try Figleaves.

Latara Wed 10-Oct-12 11:36:07

Not been on Mumsnet since yesterday A.M. i think? Thanks for suggestions Sorrel, will look them up when i get chance definitely; also will look at other links in this thread.
I'm wary of spending a lot of money as i'm losing weight; although it seems to be the band size that is reducing while the cupsize remains the same.
My current bra is 38'' & it's now too big.
But local M&S only sells max G cup in the bras i like & i'm still GG. I will check out other dept stores locally as well as looking on those links.

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 11:38:41

No problem Latara. I wouldn't bother with M&S if I were you. I've just thrown out the only M&S bra I owned (a 32G) as it a) didn't fit and b) looked awful!

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 11:40:23

MarchelineWhatNot Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.

MadameCupcake Wed 10-Oct-12 12:09:13

I have 2 M&S bras as struggled to find push up bras to fit (ones with just a tiny bit between each cup so don't show under low cut things) and I don't wear them that often - once a week if that and all the hooks have bent already.

I have ordered some new ones from Debenhams but I will definitely search around a bit more from now on!

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 14:04:04

MadameCupcake Enjoy. I love bra shopping!

MadameCupcake, the Gossard Superboost might be worth trying if you haven't already - it only goes up to a G cup but from what I remember the sizing was generous. It has a tiny amount of fabric between the cups - here

imustbepatient Wed 10-Oct-12 15:28:52

Sorrel/statistically et al could one of you please give me a starting guide for my measurements? I am 37 inches underneath and 47 overtop. Am currently 38+3 weeks pregnant though, so after nursing bras! Thank you!

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 15:32:24

I've never bought a nursing bra so I'm not sure if there's anything different measurement wise?

Normally I'd say to try a 36H or a 38GG.

I'd say the same as Sorrel - Personally my underbust went down (so I;d say the 36) but my cup went up. It depends a lot on how your boobs behave once your milk comes in although IME maternity/nursing bras do tend to be fairly soft and stretchy too. I'd maybe only get one or two to start with and see how you get on (and dare I say buy from somewhere with a decent returns period so if you go up 3 cup sizes you can return them!)

imustbepatient Wed 10-Oct-12 16:00:29

Thanks very much both, I'll start with those! Considering I had 40% removed in a breast reduction 15+ years ago it makes me wince to think of what size I would be up to by now if I hadn't!

I reckon post baby I was around a 30L or M, they were absurdly big. My milk came in overnight and when I walked in to the room the next morning my DH just about fell off the chair - they were like two footballs.

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 17:01:55

SC shock

That was pretty much DD's reaction too - she took one look and cried! grin

SorrelForbes Wed 10-Oct-12 17:08:18


JollyJack Wed 10-Oct-12 17:32:05

Tried scooping today. Felt a bit better, think I need to go up a cup size though.

Scooping is not an accurate term either. I reckon hoiking is a better description grin

Scooping is possibly far too delicate - more like yank all your soft tissue and haul it around until it goes in to the bra!

I find it makes a huge difference to comfort (although it does often lead to needing to go up a cup size) as it means the wires sit outside your breast tissue. Without doing it, they are sitting on my softer bits which are far more delicate and far more easily injured by bras. I think this is why a lot of people find bras so uncomfortable as if the cup is too small/back too big then the wire won't be sitting on the more robust parts of your body.

flapperghasted Wed 10-Oct-12 17:49:31

I'm a double G and it drives me nuts trying to find a bra that both fits and suits me. I hate having big boobs sad

JollyJack Wed 10-Oct-12 18:54:10

My big boobs are the main reason I'm breastfeeding! I reasoned that I'd been carrying round this useless extra weight for years and it was time for them to finally be useful, otherwise what was the point in having them at all!

MadameCupcake Thu 11-Oct-12 19:39:12

I love having big boobs as have only had them a year, lol! They are surprisingly not that big though - a GG with implants means that my boobs are not actually as big as someone with natural GG's because they are compact into a smaller space - I am not explaining it well and not sure if that makes sense at all but even the measuring ladies look at me as if they don't believe me then check the tag in my bra, I reckon they look DD's!

quazi Thu 11-Oct-12 19:49:00

Sorrel - could you do mine, measurements are 36 over fullest bit and 34 undeneath. Ta very much!

SorrelForbes Thu 11-Oct-12 20:02:19

Of course! I'd try a 34B.

Lizzzombie Thu 11-Oct-12 20:03:31

Panache bras are generally fairly tight, but an accurate representation of size. Eg. Freya & Fantasie are known to be stretchy bras, so a person would need a back size smaller in these compared to a panache - generally.
IMO (as a bra fitter of nearly 8 yrs) Panache bras offer the best support for fuller busted women. Not always the most comfortable, but definately hook-up & complement women's shape the best!

I want to like Panache as they have some lovely styles, but they are incredibly uncomfortable on me. Freya (and Bravissimo own brand) suit my shape far better. I always feel like the Panache wires are a different shape, perhaps a deeper cup, and as a result they look awful on me. If the cup is wide enough, then the wire sits about 1cm below the case of my boobs (not good) and if the wire is in the right place underneath, then it is too narrow and sits on my breast tissue at the side.

But IMO - most women seem to suit one or the other. I know few women who have a drawer with a fair mix of Freya/Panache.

SorrelForbes Thu 11-Oct-12 20:19:40

Madame. I know what you mean. I definitely have an ample chest but people tend not to believe that I'm a 30G until I show them the label (especially young thin acquaintances of mine suffering in their 36As!)

SuffolkNWhat Thu 11-Oct-12 20:21:38

I'm an L cup and even my beloved Bravissimo are not cutting the mustard these days sad

SorrelForbes Thu 11-Oct-12 20:22:36

I don't have any Panache bras. I have a few Freya's which fit well but i never wear them as I don't like the shape they give me.

Favourite bra makes so far are Fauve, R&P, Prima Dona, Ewa Michalak and Debenhams Gorgeous range.

I'm like you Sorrel, people never believe my boobs are an H/HH cup.

SorrelForbes Thu 11-Oct-12 20:38:18

Suffolk have you looked at any of the Polish brands?

Lizzzombie Fri 12-Oct-12 07:12:59

OOh, what are the Polish brands?

HazleNutt Fri 12-Oct-12 07:45:09

and check out also for clothes, I have a few dresses from them, much nicer than Pepperberry.

SorrelForbes Fri 12-Oct-12 08:13:27

The one I've used is Ewa Michalak

trinitybleu Fri 12-Oct-12 18:21:42

Just off to measure myself, if Sorrel or someone wouldn't mind a look? Is the over boob measurement with a bra on??

trinitybleu Fri 12-Oct-12 18:43:10

46 under, 56 over. Where should I start?? Thanks!

HazleNutt Fri 12-Oct-12 18:45:33

about 46GG trinity

Bunbaker Fri 12-Oct-12 19:34:54

" Is the over boob measurement with a bra on??"

I think it depends on how droopy they are.

trinitybleu Fri 12-Oct-12 19:48:17

Bunbaker grin

I measured with and without and got the same measurement! Although they're pretty droopy blush

MadameCupcake Fri 12-Oct-12 20:56:18

I think you are supposed to measure with a bra on as it holds them in the right place - well if they need to be of course grin

Well I feel a bit fed up today as I ordered some 32GGs and they arrived today. The back fitted well but the cup was too small, I can't believe I need to get a bigger size - it just doesn't seem right as they are not that big. I think I will have to go into town to try some on but the lack of sizes they seem to have in stock is usually quite depressing! If I can't find anything I will jsut order millions of sizes online and see if I can find something to fit!

Honestly Madame, I'm a similar size and mine really don't look that big. I remember an ex-friend saying they looked like "a pair of saggy c-cups" (which is rude cos they aren't that bloody saggy either!

orangeandlemons Fri 12-Oct-12 21:35:48

Can anyone advise me of the 2 fingers under the band thing?

Where are you meant to check it? I have a hollow back, so it makes itvery tricky to owrk out. Also if I do find one that seems to match this, then I get a hideous back fat problem.

So: Larger band, less back fat or smaller band, back boobs sad whic is right?

SorrelForbes Fri 12-Oct-12 22:05:35

Ok, a too big band will still give you back fat and bulges in the wrong places due to the band moving around.

You should only be able to fit a maximum of 2 fingers under the band at the front of the bra.

SorrelForbes Fri 12-Oct-12 22:06:40

Sorry, meant to say, get the back right (usually corresponds with your actual under bust measurement) and keep going up the cups until its wearable smile

FannyBazaar Fri 12-Oct-12 22:50:55

Just been to an enormous shopping mall this evening and thought I'd check out some of the bra shops there just in case they had anything close to my size. Have to admit, I loved the cheery attitude of the smiley lady in Victoria's Secret who told me their bras went up to a 38DD and started from a 32A. When I told her I was looking for a 30GG she suggested I see one of their fitters to see if they can help me! She even looked a little bewildered as to why I wouldn't think that was a great idea confused.

I tried the Triumph shop, they had bras labelled 'up to large cups', I asked the assistant what 'large cups were' and was told they went up to an F but she did show me a Granny Bra that went up to a G.

There was even a shop with lovely colourful tiny bras that appeared not to go over a C cup, they suggested I try Triumph...

I've tried La Senza once before when they insisted on measuring and fitting me rather than giving me a straight answer about their size range. They couldn't come up with anything that fit.

I have been measured and fitted many a time and really wish these shop assistants would not look at me like I am making up my size. At least a good fitter will look at me, accept the size I say and confirm that (even fully clothed) I am obviously wearing a bra that is a good fit.

trinitybleu Sat 13-Oct-12 17:25:08

Looking on Evans, they have G's and H's, no GG's. Is a H a GG in that case??

If they don't do a GG (not just sold out) then most likely, yes.

BUt, check they also do a FF, or it will be another size up...Normally, there is an inch between each cup size so if they follow that you would be looking for the 10th in the list (excluding AA)

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