To bring the puppy into our room to sleep?

(66 Posts)
D0oinMeCleanin Sat 06-Oct-12 10:31:44

Not on the bed. He did eventually, last night settle by my side of the bed, next to the radiator on the floor. If I brought his bed there he would settle there.

He settled there after me being up at 2am, 3-4am, and then again at 5am. I was at work yesterday lunch time and evening. I am at work again the same today. I am catching up on all the house work tomorrow because DH is injured or not, probably not

He has issues with being apart from me. I am the source of his fun, walks, games, training, food and affection. While DH is is alone the pup effectively shuts down because he knows there is little chance of any attention any how so he stays in his bed. When I am in all hell breaks loose.

He now stays calmly in his bed or settled on the sofa during the day, after two days of training. He knows he only gets interaction on my terms now so no longer mauls me continuously throughout the day. He still likes to be close to me.

DH did nothing for the pup last night despite having today and tomorrow off to sleep all day. He is saying I am not allowed to bring the puppy into our room so I can get some much needed sleep. He also will not help reinforce pup loving his bed while I am at work meaning any training I am doing with him is taking three times as long.

He is willing he says, to go and buy a crate because I have expressed interest in crate training the puppy. He thinks the pup will just automatically love being in the crate and will sleep soundly tonight in the dining room in his new crate with no training what so ever because Google told him puppies like crates bullshit, pup would howl the house and destroy the crate in minutes

AIBU to utterly discount DH's views on the basis that he is a twat and bring the dog into our room tonight anyway?

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 10:43:32

IME you need a crate and puppy stays downstairs. My 14wo collie is in his crate in the kitchen at night and if we go out. He is fine.

Keeping a puppy with you because they want to will do more harm than good. Research separation anxiety.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 10:44:23

YANBU btw. It's your puppy after all smile Enjoy!

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 10:46:18

The only time we have ever come close to splitting it has been over animals. If he feels strongly I would at least listen to his views. Post on the dog house and ask for advice. best calm down a bit first because they really do know a lot more than you. In my opinion, this is about how you feel and the intimacy and love you are seeking, not what you think is best for the puppy. Not a great start to dog ownership, you may well end up with a biter, hope you don't have any kids. A large proportion of the dogs I have fostered were mummies little baby until the kids came along. They are often a complete pain in the neck.

schoolgovernor Sat 06-Oct-12 10:46:21

Don't take this as an attack, what made you decide to get a puppy when your husband obviously has no interest in it? Surely anything you do needs to have the support of both of you? It seems so sad that when you are not in the house the puppy gets no attention. Who walks it?
I think proper crate training is a really good idea, but worry about how your husband might use/misuse the crate, especially when you're not there.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 10:46:40

Puppies don't like crates, contrary to one anyone says. They are trained to like them, but its a case of them having to which is why I really don't like crate training and have done other methods with my 3 dogs., which are big white beautiful boxers so as you can imagine it was a bit tough.

If you want to take the puppy in your room, then do so! He's a puppy, they need love and affection.

D0oinMeCleanin Sat 06-Oct-12 10:47:12

I know what SA is. I also know you need to expose them gradually to the crate. He is not a tiny pup. He is 11 months, we are the fourth family he has lived with. He needs gentle training.

Once I got the crate I would train him to accept being it for short periods of time alone, gradually building up, then I would slowly move the crate out of our room and back into the dining room.

Just buying a crate and locking him on it from day one would traumatise him.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 10:47:58

How old and what breed is the puppy op?

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 10:49:01

I don't think he stays in his bed when alone with your other half because he feels neglected and unhappy. it is more likely the calm person who isn't anxious and needy around him makes him feel secure. Not even hinting at pack theory before the doghouse people kill me, I agree it is not the way to train.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 10:49:22

Goldship I didn't train my pupp. He went in on his own and went to sleep. So I'm afraid you're mistaken.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 10:49:29

Fourth home? Bless the poor little mite. Good on you for taking on this dog too. I think your idea is a good one, if you are set on crate training.

D0oinMeCleanin Sat 06-Oct-12 10:51:05

SchoolGov, the foster people rang DH about the puppy he thought "Ooh sighthound puppy, it will be just like my Whippy" and told them to bring it round, the first thing I knew about it was when it was already on it's way here.

Well, it's not like his whippy, it had a traumatic start to life with many, many homes and a stint in the pound. It's also not a full sighthound, it is a collie x imo. It looks and acts like a collie x.

I do not like collies. I do not like puppies. I don't like the hardwork. However now puppy is here I love him and I am fully prepared to put in the work he needs.

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 10:51:08

You don't want advice from experienced dog people, you just want people to agree what a bastard he is. Good luck. Like I said, if you want help about dogs, post in the dog house

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 10:51:37

LST - yes because I'm sure most people's dogs would wander into the crate and NOT chew the sofa/table/walls whilst they went out...

It's a different case them being locked in, and being able to go into one of their own accord like yours did.

schoolgovernor Sat 06-Oct-12 10:52:06

My dog uses her crate with the door open, always has. All I did, when she was a puppy, was provide a nice snuggly bed with a heat pad underneath and some toys. I also made sure that everyone knew that when she went in there she was to be left alone so that it became her peaceful place. She takes herself to bed there every night.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 10:52:40

He is locked in. He would destroy everything if he was left for more than 5 minutes.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 10:54:40

The dog might like going in and sleeping, being able to go in and out. You're not telling me that they like being locked in it. To me it's a simple case of keeping an animal caged and I don't agree with it

But if it works for you and you're both happy then live and let live smile

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 10:56:05

For fucks sake, who cares whether LST chooses to keep her dog in a crate or not. happy healthy dogs who are loved and wanted and not owned as a surrogate baby or status symbol are bloody lucky to have a decent home. Crates don't kill them and are usually applied with love and care.
people are so holier than thou. Who actually cares as long as they are responsible decent forever home dog owners?

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 10:56:24

So you would prefer me to let him roam freely and get either beaten up by my cats or chew something he shouldn't and hurt himself?! I don't see who people don't 'agree' it is safer for all concerned.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 10:56:57

How not who sorry.

I think you're storing up trouble for yourself I'm afraid. As other posters have suggested, try asking in the Doghouse for some advice.
Good for you though, for sticking with a pup who's had such a difficult start to its life smile

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 10:59:21

anthropomorphising much??? I feed my crated foster pup gruel just so he knows where he stands. He has written to his MP to complain about his canine rights but is still waiting for a reply.

HelgatheHairy Sat 06-Oct-12 10:59:49

Why are you getting up to him? Surely that just teaches him that if he whimpers/cries/barks you get up and give him attention. You may need tough love and just let him cry it out for a night or two.

I have a 5 month old golden who never cried at night till last week. (I got up one night to let him out to poo and now he thinks ill do it every night, he doesn't need to poo just wants to play), so I'm going to have to do this till he settles again.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:01:48

Theo - haven't I just fucking said 'if it both works for you and you're happy...' Oh I forgot I'm not allowed to disagree with the majority when it comes to dog training am I! 'Crates are usually applied with love and care' you know this how? Stats please if you're going to bat around a fact like that, I know from my personal experience that some dog owners find them an easy way out to lock their animals in when they can't be arsed. Whereas its supposed to be a process of easing in. I'm sure a lot of people on here do it properly because they've an active interest in raising dogs properly, and I think LST obviously is one of these.

LST - no but it's something I'd think about before getting a dog that I'd have to lock in a cage to keep safe. My 3 are safe, and don't chew because I've brought them up and trained them not to. I couldn't bring myself to lock an animal in a cage just so I can keep it as a pet. But like I said twice before 'if it works for you...'

Sorry OP, derailment here.

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 11:04:09

Well I am currently on foster dog no 52. How many dogs have you had? I also have 5 permanent dogs and 5 cats, a parrot and a foster duck. I am not saying i know everything but you are not queen of the dogs.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 11:04:52

I am training him gold. And I'm sure in a few months years at this rate he'll be out of his crate. It took my mum 6months with her border terrier but 3 years with our staffy we had as a child.

And I do do it properly. He is never in there when we are in the house (except nighttime).

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 11:05:04

as i said, people who abuse crates are just as bad as any other animal abuser. It's not rocket science

D0oinMeCleanin Sat 06-Oct-12 11:05:41

Theodorakis what would you suggest?

My way of doing it was going to be bring the pup and his bed into our room, by the radiator where he slept last night. Once the crate arrives put it up in the dining room, put his bed in it. Begin crate training - he already goes into Whippy's crate so the first step is already done. I will feed him in the crate, door locked, I will disappear a while. I will come back when he is silent, give him a treat and then open the crate etc.

The crate will move upstairs on an evening. Night by night it will move back downstairs slowly.

If you know of a better, kinder way, do enlighten me.

I am aware I am being short. I apologise. I am very tired and pissed off at the moment.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 11:05:47

Theo - wow. Just wow! Are you any good with nutter 3mo collies? grin

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:07:25

Theodakaris - I weren't aware this was a competition? If you must know 12 altogether along with raising 13 puppies x 3 at consecutive times when dogs have come to me pregnant, and once breeding my own. With 2 x house rabbits, a cat and 2 ducks and 3 chickens.


thebody Sat 06-Oct-12 11:07:27

Our 2 cats, one old and other young sleep in our bed...

Yes I know but they are warm and purry and so what!!! The little one also wanders in the night to each if our 4 kids bedrooms and fusses them as well.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:07:37

Oh and a bearded dragon named Hank

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:08:54

I wish I could own a rescue home!

Good luck OP, just do what you feel is best. You know your puppy, and try sort it out with your DP its not worth falling out over

thebody Sat 06-Oct-12 11:09:39

Sorry what's a crate?? As a child we always had dogs and they slept on our beds or in a basket.

All this sounds very clinical and serious.

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 11:10:22

I only ever get last seasons fashion cast offs (currently in the ME). Current trends are the pitbull, pug and husky. Thank God the Dalmation season of 2007 has passed. Collies are not a breed that I have had a great deal of experience with but I do a lot of things with my intelligent puppies which works very well. "Hide and Dog" when they have to find their supper hidden in the garden, treat balls and learning words for treats. Without it they are just barmy.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 11:10:42

D0oin - me personally? I would just see how it goes.. When the crate arrives I'd put it where you want it to go. Put dog in with a treat or a stuffed kong and go out for half an hour. When you get back give huge praises. I would also take the plunge at night and stuff the kong. Give it pup and leave. Make sure he has done his wees and poos and then you know any cries would be for attention.

That's how I would do it. And your doing a v good thing.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:11:01
GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:12:40

I had a pit bull, my stepdad took him from some gypsy lads who were training him to fight sad the poor poor thing came to us in a right state. We got him sorted though, most gentle dog in the world. Had a problem with urinating when he got over excited, bless.

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 11:13:22

Mine isn't like that at all. You can sit upright in mine and it's 4ft long!

Chandon Sat 06-Oct-12 11:14:40

MIl did that with her dog.

He is now a big dog with separation anxiety that has to be seen to be believed. if she comes to stay, the dog has to stay in her room.

Her husband now sleeps in the study.

In our house, she and the dog get the bedroom, and PIl sleeps on our sofa...

babybythesea Sat 06-Oct-12 11:16:25

My parents always had dogs that slept in their bedrooms with them, from the first night they could guarantee not to wet or mess the carpet.
Dad always maintained it made life easier, because when they stayed in hotels, or with other people, the dogs weren't left alone in a strange kitchen or in the car for a night, but were used to sleeping in with them so neither did they see it as a time to play just because the humans happened to be there.
My dog doesn't come upstairs. DH grew up on a farm where dogs were outside animals not pets so having her inside but downstairs was our compromise. But I don't really see the problem.

If your dog has had a difficult start then I think you need to do whatever he needs to get him settled. My friend had a dog for whom crates would have been a disaster. Also rehomed after a difficult first year, he associated being in a confined space with being left for long periods and would shake and cringe and generally become a mess. She never used a crate, and although he can still be a bit eccentric (still clearly a bit worried about the car and not fully trusting that they won't abandon him in there), he is, at 4, a million times better than he was. Sticking him in a crate on the assumption that other dogs liked them would have been a disaster. You know your dog - this stage was always going to be hard while he figured out that he's got a good, safe home with you.
If DH asked for the dog, then he really needs to step up a bit.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:18:39

LST - see this is where people differ too, like some people say you need the smallest size possible for the dog so it doesn't have a 'poo corner'? A poo corner hahah

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 11:21:28

I like big cages. I don't like the little pokey ones.

babybythesea Sat 06-Oct-12 11:25:12

I don't think sleeping in the bedroom is the only cause of that, though, Chandon.

As I say, I grew up with dogs who slept in my parents room and we never experienced any separation anxiety.
The two dogs they have currently can choose - no-one else in the house most nights so the door is left open.
One mostly sleeps downstairs, unless I go to stay in which case she sleeps by my door - she has a crush on me!!
One mostly sleeps upstairs by my Dad. But not always.
If your MIL's dog has anxieties, I think there has to be more to it than just where he sleeps.

WorraLiberty Sat 06-Oct-12 11:25:34

I've always wondered, why they are called 'crates' instead of cages? confused

LST Sat 06-Oct-12 11:29:31

I always say cages. I've never understood 'crate'.

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:31:09

worra interesting point. Probably because of what the word 'cage' connotates. People would rather have a softer word that doesn't remind them if a caged animal

WorraLiberty Sat 06-Oct-12 11:33:54

That's what I think GoldShip

If people think it sounds mean to lock a dog in a cage, but it somehow sounds more acceptable to lock them in a crate...that sounds to me as though they don't really like the idea of what they're actually doing.

That ^^ made sense in my head when I typed it blush

theodorakis Sat 06-Oct-12 11:34:05

People who say little cages are stupid. Lots of dog owners are stupid, most are harmlessly stupid some less harmless.
I have met some pretty stupid parents as well in fairness, same thing, neglect, abuse or just plain mean.

Inviting dogs into the bedroom sometimes is one thing, we have an infestation at the moment. I think I am justified in not wanting them on my bed at the moment, what would I do if I didn't have a choice? They may be annoyed at being outed for a while but they are not anxious

GoldShip Sat 06-Oct-12 11:34:49

It made sense to me too worra grin

InvisibleHotPinkWeasel Sat 06-Oct-12 11:58:43


Re: Cages. The people who always have the snippiest debates about cages are 99% of the time, huge advocates of dog welfare and care very much about their dogs. So regardless of stance, advice on how they got there problem sleepers to stay put is good.

Dooin: I get why you posted in AIBU not DH.
Is it still your intention that Pup gets a forever home? If it is than I think crate training is the way to go, I think with a nice blanket slept on by you, some chews and a kong, you might get lucky. And it will make life easier for him and his forever home.

If the pups for keeps, than if this is going to be dh's attitude hence forth than I'd go with whichever method allows you to get some sleep. If he won't help, than I'm afraid he can't expect you to operate forever only half charged, it's dangerous.

babybythesea Sat 06-Oct-12 12:03:10

Being in the bedroom doesn't mean being on the bed though, does it?
All my parent's dogs, and mine, are not allowed on furniture - whether upstairs or downstairs.
I really had never realised that dogs in the bedroom was such a massive thing for lots of people. I took it for granted.
I've also never used a crate - I have occasionally shut dogs in the kitchen - mostly when they are puppies and are not housetrained, or with upset tummies. Again, I've never known an issue with dogs allowed to wander freely round the house.
I've always owned collies (rough collies, not borders). Does breed make a difference?

catsrus Sat 06-Oct-12 12:17:54

I've done the "puppy in the bedroom next to my bed" routine, but that was from 8 weeks when they were used to being with mum. Once they were secure and comfortable in their own bed downstairs they all adapted to that.

With rescues I have always blush slept on the sofa downstairs with them for a couple of weeks until they felt at home. My DCs took it in turns to do it too once they were a bit older. Again, that seemed to work OK, but we have usually had more than one dog so they keep each other company. The two reasons my dogs don't sleep in the bedroom are the cats sleep there (and dog1 would see them off) and exH didn't like it (but put up with it during puppy period - was happier with me on the sofa though hmm).

I've always done this and never had to deal with separation anxiety because they don't get the chance to get anxious before they get secure and feel the house is 'home'. Never used a crate either. (9 dogs over the past 20+ yrs, 4 of them rescues)

CakeMeIAmYours Sat 06-Oct-12 12:41:59

You don't want advice from experienced dog people,

I have to laugh at this, Dooin is one of the most experienced and knowledgeable regular posters on the Doghouse board smile

I think the key question is whether you are going to be this pup's forever home. If so, on the bed would be fine (the little chap's had a hard enough life as it is). If not, better not to get too close.

IMO, Separation Anxiety is caused by the pup not believing that you will always come back, and isn't surprising given this pup's history. If you are planning to keep him, just lovebomb him, keep him close and stroke those silky ears smile.

We crate trained our pup from the day he came to us at 8 weeks old, then at about a year old he started sleeping on our bed in our room. IMO 11 months old is too old to start crate training an already anxious pup.

midori1999 Sat 06-Oct-12 12:44:06

This thread is like some weird twighlight zone... Dooin, why are you posting here and not the DH? You know you won't get any sensible advice about dogs in here. In fact, you probably won't in the Doghouse any more either, since Minimu, Val etc have left..... sad Sleeping on the bed creates a biter?! Bizarre advice....

If you are fostering him for a rescue, why don't you ask the rescue for advice?

I think how long he is likely to be with you has a lot to do with how you handle this. I think in a foster situation I myself would probably opt for a crate next to the bed and you may need to do this to crate train him anyway if he is an older puppy. I think there is often some eliment of crying it out with puppies, unless the breeder has been able to teach them some independance before you get them and obviously this doesn't apply here.

As for why crates are called crates and not cages. No idea. However, they are equally called 'beds' in this house and if I have one up, as many dogs as possible who are far to big to fit any more will cram into it to sleep. They will also happily go in despite knowing they are going to be shut in, (dogs not properly crate trained don't) presumably as they were going to spend the whole time I was out in it anyway, sleeping, so it makes no difference to them whether the door is shut or not.

Unless you never go out at all, never leave the puppy unsupervised at night, never have to divert your attention to cooking dinner or DC for a few minutes, crates are a very useful training aid which also means a puppy is safe. Some puppies never chew much anyway, but chewing is not and should not be an accepted part of puppy ownership, it is dangerous and potentially life threatening to the puppy, being able to teach the puppy the right things to chew from day one is better for the dog and being able to toilet train with no accidents and as fast as possible is also better for the dog.

D0oinMeCleanin Sat 06-Oct-12 14:26:33

The rescue advised letting him cry at night and waiting it out, making sure he has access to chewing toys and water. Which was fine and worked for the first two months, he'd whine for about 15 minutes and then settle down with his Kong for the night.

Then he learnt to open doors. We've been having issues with him with doors for a week now. He was aware that sometimes when he jumps on it opens, he just didn't know what, exactly was making it open. He learnt that two days ago. I spent an hour last night doing the puppy equivalent of SuperNanny's rapid return. He gave in after an hour and went to sleep on his bed in the dining room. He woke up an hour later, let himself out of the dining room and onto my bed again. By this point I had lost the will to live, so just nudged him off of the bed and he settled himself by the radiator where he stayed quietly for the rest of night/morning (it was 5am by this point)

He won't be staying with us permanently but with him being as bouncy as he is I don't think he'll be going anywhere very soon. People looking for lurchers and greyhounds generally expect calm, quiet dogs, when they meet puppy they meet a kangaroo on a lead hmm

Calmness in the house though the day (my previous biggest bug bear with him) has been achieved, but has been replaced with being unmanageable on a night.

I am aware that his new home most likely won't want him in their room, so I do want to train him to sleep alone. I just want to do it in a way that will be gentle for him and allow me enough sleep to cope with him though the day and continue his training. He has come one in leaps and bounds, he really has, but there are days where I feel like I fix one issue with him and throws another three at me.

I posted here because I wanted views from people who like DH, might not understand what I am doing or why, however after a calm discussion, fuelled by copious amounts of caffeine DH now understands what I intend to do and is happy to trust me with it, so he will be coming into our room (crated eventually) and then slowly move back to the dining room. DH will be reinforcing pup being calm on an evening by way of tossing him a treat every now and again when he is settled and ignoring any play fighting or unwanted behaviour completely.

When he first came to us walking him made me cry he was that uncontrollable. I hated him and I hated the effect he had on my dogs. Walking him is a pleasure now. He walks very nicely, he recalls well, he sits when he sees other leashed dogs waiting for them to pass, he still bounces if an unleashed dog runs up to him while he is still on his lead, or if we pass large groups of dogs, this we are working on and also on meeting people properly and not jumping up. He's doing brilliantly but after being kept awake all night by him sometimes it's hard to focus on just how much he has learnt in such a short space of time. He really is lovely dog and very eager to please. I am introducing a clicker to our training on Monday and I have no doubt he will take to it like a duck to water and learn even quicker what is expected of him.

InvisibleHotPinkWeasel Sat 06-Oct-12 16:25:20

Dooin, you are doing a grand job. And I am sure he will find a home. I got Hullygully because her mums rescuer looked me up and down and said "you'd suit the Loon" grin and she was right.

My dh likes walking along with a well behaved easy dog and telling people how wonderful they are.

Chewed sky remotes, missing socks and labradors hell bent on suicide missions are my problem hmm, despite him wanting her.

DH loves dogs, he just doesn't understand them. This occasionally leads to what he considers a difference of opinion, and what I consider a viable reason to shove a a Kong up his arse.

SammyTheSwedishSquirrel Sat 06-Oct-12 17:15:46

D0oin, I'd do the same as you. I'd have the dog in the bedroom next to mine. I've taken in some seriously traumatised dogs over the years and in my experience being near the person they trust when they are scared works best for everyone.

I've never felt the need to crate train and I've never had any behavioural issues, apart from current LittleBastardDog who's the most defiant little bugger I've ever come across in the canine world. grin

booitsme Sat 06-Oct-12 19:46:28

Def get a crate. Our puppy feels very safe and secure. I'm sure others would think this is wrong... But we have the crate downstairs in the day and he seems fine being left in it. However, we carry the crate into our bedroom at night. No risk of accidents on floor or doggie smells on bed... But the puppy is really happy and sleeps all night as he knows we are there.

InvisibleHotPinkWeasel Sat 06-Oct-12 19:54:00

It's a crate not a cage btw, because it is a safe way to transport them. It folds flat for this purpose and can go where the animal does.

The intention of a crate is to keep an animal safe. A cage is to confine an animal.

A crate can of course be abused but generally crates spend more time with the door open than the door shut.

My puppy has a pen, rather than closed over crate. She is more than capable of jumping out - she chooses not to.

D0oinMeCleanin Sun 07-Oct-12 10:31:56

Well it worked.

I settled him into his bed in the dining room as normal, with his Kong. He stayed settled until about 4am apparently and then let himself out and cam upstairs. DH says he attempted to get on my side of the bed with me but after the night before I was so tired I didn't notice. DH did what he has seen me do and pointed to the spare dog I set up by my side of the bed, so pup went and laid straight down on it and slept for longer than he ever has done since being here.

Something is waking him up during the night and he is getting up. I don't know if he is waking for the loo, the backdoor has been opened both nights he's let himself out of the dining room.

My next step is going to be to buy some rope to put the round the door handles and teach him to close doors after himself. He's got the house bloody freezing wandering around opening all the doors and leaving them that way grin

Everyone has slept, every one is happy. I'm not sure he will need a crate. My idea of the crate was to prevent him opening the doors and letting him into rooms he should not be in, but to be fair, he's pretty much stopped systematically destroying the house now he knows he can't be locked anywhere.

So would potential adopters by his sleeping where he pleases? Would crate training help him find a home?

InvisibleHotPinkWeasel Sun 07-Oct-12 13:02:21

<<hi fives Dooin>>

Excellent smile, bet you feel a lot better than you did yesterday morning.

schoolgovernor Sun 07-Oct-12 13:23:25

Can't you lock your back door?

D0oinMeCleanin Sun 07-Oct-12 13:30:35

Oh yes, I feel much better.

Yesterday was the worst day with pup since the time he dived on me on his walk resulting in my terrier attacking him, my whippy slipping her collar and running off in fear and leaving me with a sprained shoulder and twisted ankle hmm

I would say I miss the days when the rescue would give me nice, non challenging, lazy greyhounds, but when I've had sleep the prospect of training a dog as clever as this one is fun.

He is currently pacing around the room whining because he is not allowed in the room the dc are in with their lunch, but ignoring him seems to be working. Once he settles on his bed I'll treat him and soon he'll learn to be calm while people are eating.

D0oinMeCleanin Sun 07-Oct-12 13:32:20

We can lock the backdoor yes, but rarely do. I don't mind him letting himself out to the loo, just opening the kitchen door is enough to to freeze us all in our beds and we can't lock that one. Closing the doors after himself would be the better option. That way he can let himself and the other dogs in and out as he wishes.

boomting Sun 07-Oct-12 15:56:37

I'm yet to understand this modern obsession with crating - I grew up with (toy-sized) dogs that had the run of the house, slept on the beds (until they got to old to leap up there by themselves) and never saw hide nor hair of a crate cage. They were even <gasp> sometimes fed human food.

And yet, despite one of them being a rescue, they never bit anyone, never had separation anxiety (there was usually someone in, but we had no qualms about going out all day and leaving them, and they never caused any damage) and no other real undesirable characteristics!

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