to think the tv licence should be made subscription only, especially in light off all the scandals at the BBC?

(107 Posts)
ophelia275 Sat 06-Oct-12 09:55:12

I know there are a lot of people who think the tv tax licence is good value for money but I think people should have a choice and I really think it is time it should be a subscription service and those that want to watch BBC/other channels funded by the licence, can choose to subscribe to it, rather than everyone being forced to pay £145 a year. I don't watch much BBC etc and would be happy to forgo it altogether.

There is definitely the technology for BBC/other channels to be scrambled so that those that are not paying the tax subscription cannot receive endless repeats of Only Fools and Horses its programs. I feel this particularly strongly now with all the corruption ("celebrities" being paid in such a way to avoid tax) and complicity in sexual abuse (Jimmy Saville). I don't want to be forced to pay towards these kind of things. If the BBC is so great then it will naturally attract lots of subscribers and stand up on its own two feet. If not, oh well, such is life.

Tweasels Sat 06-Oct-12 09:57:19

How would you deal with all the online content and radio stations?

HecateHarshPants Sat 06-Oct-12 10:00:18

I would certainly like a choice. I don't understand the attitude about the BBC that somehow it must be funded and protected. It should fight its way through like the rest of them. There isn't anything wrong with having adverts, having people pay for the channels if they want to. There is something wrong with telling people that they HAVE to pay, regardless whether they want the service or not.

thebestisyettocome Sat 06-Oct-12 10:02:13

BBC programmes are the only ones worth watching or listening to. The other channel and stations are mainly concerned with appealing to the lowest common denominator. The revelations about Jimmy Saville are awful but I'm guessing that the culture that existed at BBC in the seventies and eighties bears no resemblance to the current culture.

SirBoobAlot Sat 06-Oct-12 10:03:10

What scandal at the BBC? I've been out of the loop for a few weeks...

I think the TV licence fee is ridiculously high, though, and do prefer BBC because of the lack of adverts. BBC 4 is amazing.

ChaoticismyLife Sat 06-Oct-12 10:15:35

YANBU I've thought that wrt the subscription service for a while now.

Wrt online content they could have a code on your tv licence that you have to input before being allowed to watch. I don't have a radio but I'm sure something could be worked out, certainly the radio stations could be blocked through tv/computer the same way as the tv programmes could.

lovebunny Sat 06-Oct-12 10:17:21

hmm. i'd like just to pay for what i watch.

Tweasels Sat 06-Oct-12 10:18:35

I think the BBC do certain things way better than any of the commercial channels. I can't abide commercial radio. I'm a bit of a radio nerd and no one does radio as well as the BBC.

I don't know whether this is because of the way it's funded or not but I'm sure being commercial would bring in more money but clearly doesn't make programmes better (just look at channel 5)

But I also appreciate that if you don't watch/listen you shouldn't really have to contribute so my views are from a totally selfish standpoint.

WilsonFrickett Sat 06-Oct-12 10:19:58

YANBU to think some element of choice would be a good thing wrt the licence fee. YABU if it's because of Jimmy Saville. Yes, that whole situation is an absolute disgrace but you can't condemn the entire Corporation because of it.

I also remember how many people were moaning because of adverts during the Paralympics...

CreamOfTomatoSoup Sat 06-Oct-12 10:21:17

You don't have to pay for a licence if you only listen to radio or watch non live tv on iplayer.

Yanbu- I also think the bbc's Tv liscence is a waste of money too!
Nearly £12 a month, half of what i pay for Sky which has zillions of channels.
What for, well i only watch Eastenders & Casualty but id be quite happy to forgo them to save £11 summin a month!

Bluegrass Sat 06-Oct-12 10:27:43

My taxes go towards all sorts of things that I'm not allowed to opt out of on the basis that they are "a good thing". Personally I think having the world's best public service broadcaster is "a good thing" and if it means I get to watch some great content without sitting through ads or contributing to the Murdoch empire I'm delighted!

ihearsounds Sat 06-Oct-12 10:29:33

I agree that it should be on a subscription basis. I do not watch beeb, and I do think it is unfair that everyone has to pay if they want to watch tv. The beeb use ads on their websites outside the UK, so I don't understand why they cannot do it here as well.

crazygracieuk Sat 06-Oct-12 10:30:47

I would happily pay for a iplayer subscription if the tv license was scrapped.

FreudiansGoldSlipper Sat 06-Oct-12 10:36:13

he would have got away with what he did where ever he was working the bbc are working along with the police in the investigation, i was dissappointed with the early statement but what more can they do now

i feel the issue not wanting to pay your licence becasue you do not want to as you do not use the bbc services and this is completely seperate and very wrong to use this as another reason to not want to pay it

AndiMac Sat 06-Oct-12 10:36:54

YABU. What Bluegrass said.

MrsjREwing Sat 06-Oct-12 10:40:23

Do we get to choose to not pay tax for the alledged police, approved school staff, social workers etc that helped cover up?

TooMuchRain Sat 06-Oct-12 10:44:36

I'd pay a licence just for the quality of Radio 4 which is unique, the scandals don't affect that at all.

BertieBotts Sat 06-Oct-12 10:46:46

I don't bother any more. Can get all I want either by buying DVDs or watching through iplayer/4od type things.

Sometimes a programme isn't on 4od or iplayer after broadcast and that's a bit disappointing, but it's not the end of the world. I'm not that interested in TV. Rather spend the money on a broadband connection!

Collaborate Sat 06-Oct-12 10:54:20

Isn't Channel4 funded through the license fee?
Maybe we should privatise the NHS too. I hardly ever go to the doctors.
And what about the military? I've never had use of a nuclear submarine in my life.
The point is, it's a tax for a public service that nearly everyone uses. No adverts. No rich Murdochs creaming off the profits and using them to prop up the Scum newspaper.
I can never understand those who thin £12 a month too much, yet she'll out twice that to view crap Sky channels with adverts.

SoleSource Sat 06-Oct-12 10:58:56

If onedoes not pay their Virgin/Sky bill the service is cit off. Maybe restricting the BBC channels/BBC I.ternet could be restricted too, somehow. But radio I very much doubt. As a whole I imagine an opt out system would be very hatd to police.

I do love radio 4 too smile

ChaoticismyLife Sat 06-Oct-12 11:06:34

My opinion on the tv licence has nothing to do with JS, I've thought the tv licence should be scrapped for years. I've no idea about Channel 4, I'll gladly lose that too.

mrsminerva Sat 06-Oct-12 11:08:55

YANBU, I rarely watch the BBC these days. Why should I pay for it because I have a TV?

SarahBumBarer Sat 06-Oct-12 11:19:56

The licence fee is basically a stealth tax which annoys me of itself. That aside I think the Licence fee is good VFM. I'd happily pay it but entirely support the right of people to opt out of it if they choose - at worst there should be a reduced fee for people who don't want the TV services (but can still access online content etc). So YANBU.

ModernToss Sat 06-Oct-12 11:23:13

I agree with every word of Bluegrass's post. Radio 4 alone is worth the license fee.

gordyslovesheep Sat 06-Oct-12 11:29:19

the Licence fee funds commercial stations as well - plus local out put - so you would be left with Sky - which you pay for smile

Bluestocking Sat 06-Oct-12 11:30:25

Totally agree with bluegrass. Although I don't watch telly, I do listen to the radio a lot, and R4 alone is worth 40p per day of my money.

Pagwatch Sat 06-Oct-12 11:32:50

I agree with Bluegrass too.

The BBC is fucking amazing.

I'd pay it just for Radio 4 as well. Especially now you can use Iplayer for it and listen to specific programmes at specific times. I don't watch much Beeb, but what they do have some fantastic programming and it is great not not have adverts. I would hate not to have had CBeebies when the DCs were little.

WilsonFrickett Sat 06-Oct-12 11:42:43

Oh I forgot about Cbeebies. On that basis alone YABU.

DontmindifIdo Sat 06-Oct-12 11:46:43

You do know that the licence fee doesn't just go to the bbc don't you? Itv, channel 4 and channel 5 also get a chunk of it.

When you look at the total amount you get for your money, it's not a bad deal...

50smellsofshite Sat 06-Oct-12 11:49:21

I don't watch anything on BBC and would love to opt out. Where do I sign?

CakeBump Sat 06-Oct-12 11:51:12

Get rid of your telly. There's fuck all decent on and you don't need a licence to listen to Radio 4, which is (almost) the only good thing the BBC does.

Anything else you can watch on DVD or iplayer.

ZeldaUpNorth Sat 06-Oct-12 11:52:03

I pay £140 (or whatever it is) for Doctor Who. Its the only thing I watch on bbc, kids dont even watch cbeebies anymore. I think thats gone downhill.

MoomieAndFreddie Sat 06-Oct-12 11:54:14

YANBU it PISSES me off big time having to pay this tax

MrsKeithRichards Sat 06-Oct-12 11:55:40

It's not just about tv it's the tie in work, the follow up packs sent to schools and libraries etc. The BBC is worth the money.

ophelia275 Sat 06-Oct-12 12:09:42

But Bluegrass and AndiMac. Those are value judgements. Just because you think BBC is good value doesn't mean that everyone does. Why should everyone have to pay for the licence because a few people think the BBC is good quality. I liked Sky when we had it but I realised it was my choice to pay the subscription and I would disagree with others being forced to have it.

I don't think the BBC is comparable in any way to the police or NHS although knowing the overblown sense of importance of a lot of BBC "employees" I wouldn't be surprised if they do. Both the police and NHS are essential services but nobody would die if the BBC disappeared (except possibly some overpaid luvvies).

CakeBump Sat 06-Oct-12 12:19:14

If you watch TV, you have to pay the licence.

If you don't want to pay the licence, get rid of your TV.

I can't see the problem....

ChaoticismyLife Sat 06-Oct-12 12:30:01

The problem is I watch channels other than the BBC/Channel 4/Channel 5. Yes, I pay for those channels but that is my choice. I want the same choice wrt the BBC.

ihearsounds Sat 06-Oct-12 12:31:16

Just to clarify it's not as simple as you watch tv you pay the license. You can have a tv without the need of a license if you do not watch live tv, ie not connected to an aerial/dish/cable. However, if say you don't own a tv, but your pc/laptop/phone/tablet/ps3 etc is capable of getting live tv, which most are, you need a license.

So, to make this comparable. Is it fair that simply because you have a laptop in your house, that is connected to the net, you have to pay out the fee? Even though you do not access any live tv content, or even visit the beeb sites?

Iggly Sat 06-Oct-12 12:33:23

I'd pay for the bbc just to avoid jeffing adverts.

However the bbc does a great service and losing it would be shite.

CakeBump Sat 06-Oct-12 12:37:22

that's not true, ihear.

You don't need a licence for a pc/laptop/whatever unless you have bought an add-on for it (it is some sort of transmitter I think) which enables you to watch live tv.

sashh Sat 06-Oct-12 12:45:21

The BBC is so sexist in its programming I think every woman should get at least 1/3 off.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Sat 06-Oct-12 12:46:20

I'm torn on this one.

On one hand, the quality of some of the BBC programmes is excellent, and I love their educational website and I like that its not bombarded with advertising or influenced by some rich twat at the top the way Sky is. On the other there should be a choice, and I hate the way that the TV licence is sold as a TV licence and not what it it actually is which is BBC tax. I find it very sneaky and underhand the way that the actual licence says nothing about the BBC and what you are actually paying for. It likens itself to much to road tax and pretends its a government thing, which it isn't and shouldn't be.

I also dislike the way the big influential BBC runs Comic Relief and Children in Need and because of the fact that the organisation is so big they have a lot of power of the charity market which is very unfair on smaller, equally as worthy charities. I don't support either of those charities and I resent that I am forced to if I want to watch telly.

ophelia275 Sat 06-Oct-12 12:48:54

Cakebump - that is the whole point of the question! Why should you still need a licence to watch tv? The licence pays for very specific channels. In this day and age technology could be used to scramble those channels and those that want them could pay for them. Instead we have an antiquated system whereby everyone is forced to pay for certain channels even if they don't watch them. How would you feel if you were forced to pay for Sky, under threat of court action, because some people think it has good quality shows.

I don't begrudge people for thinking that the BBC is brilliant or loving BBC programmes, but I don't feel the same way and I begrudge the fact that I am FORCED to pay the tv licence which pays for the BBC and other specific channels/services when a subscription service would suit those that want to watch BBC shows but would not force all those that don't want to, to have to pay.

Why is there such a problem with those that want to watch the BBC paying a subscription so that only they can receive BBC/other licence funded shows/radio? Why can't the consumer have a choice?

CakeBump Sat 06-Oct-12 12:51:05

Because in practice, what you suggest would be unworkable and unenforceable.

If you have that much of a problem with it, ditch the TV. Its all shit anyway.

ChaoticismyLife Sat 06-Oct-12 12:51:23

All those who want to watch the BBC can pay for it. All those who don't should be able to opt out.

Wowserz129 Sat 06-Oct-12 12:52:02

I think it ridiculous that paying £145 a year is necessary! I never watch BBC channels. In fact I hardly watch tv at all, most of the stuff I watch is on sky channels.

AndiMac Sat 06-Oct-12 12:54:10

BBC in general doesn't have big budgets. Sure, the flashy shows on prime time TV might, but not the departments working behind the scenes. By taking away a source of income by making it an opt-in system, the ability to produce something to rival the other main media channel, Sky, would be severely limited.

Do you know that all the news on radio that on "independent" stations is all provided by Sky News? Other than the BBC channels.

That's not a value judgement, that's a fact. And I would prefer that all my news wasn't controlled by one source.

ihearsounds Sat 06-Oct-12 13:01:38

Cake, have a look on the tv license website. They clearly say you need a license You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.
You do not need any transmitter to watch live tv on a pc etc. If this was the case, sky for example wouldn't be able to advertise sky go as able to watch live content tablet etc.
Even the Iplayer has a live bit.

Don't have a TV then? It's easy to live without once you get used to it! I prefer not having a TV now, it means that my evenings aren't spent sitting in front of one because it's there that's what MN is for wink

CakeBump Sat 06-Oct-12 13:14:08

ihear you have misunderstood.

It includes laptops etc IF YOU CAN WATCH LIVE TV ON THEM.

To watch live TV to need to buy a device for your laptop which "converts" it. If you have a regular computer with no device attached you DO NOT need a licence.

Believe me, I haven't had a tv for 5 years, but have a laptop on which I watch iplayer and DVDs. I do not need a licence. I do not watch live TV and am not able to on my laptop. This has been confirmed by the TV Licensing Authority who are bastards

HecateLarpo Sat 06-Oct-12 13:14:26

It's only telly. It can't be compared to the police and the NHS grin It's Beastenders, bargain hunt and waybaloo, not life saving medical care and law enforcement.

It's tv. There's no reason on earth why it must be protected and paid for by everyone who dares to have a television set. It can carry on perfectly well being subscribed to by people who actually want to watch it. And who knows, it might be better for it if it knew it had to deliver good stuff or people wouldn't pay for it.

Cakebump "To watch live TV to need to buy a device for your laptop which "converts" it."

I think that most laptops/PCs these days you are able to watch live TV without a special device, I know that I can stream it perfectly fine from my laptop and have never bought any device nor did it come advertised with such a device pre-installed.

In fact if you go to BBC iPlayer - Watch Live, on my Laptop it reminds me that I need a TV License to watch it and gives me the option to 'Watch now' or 'I don't have a TV License'

SwedishEdith Sat 06-Oct-12 14:04:24

I'd pay double for the BBC if I could get discounts for all the shit that gets advertised on Sky. I never, ever listen to commercial radio (can't understand how anyone can put up with it) rarely watch ITV (can only think of Corrie) and would never have Sky. Channel 4 is decent so the BBC can take over that and then I'd be happy

adeucalione Sat 06-Oct-12 14:33:22

I love the BBC - if it relied on advertising revenue alone it would only be able to air the sort of vapid nonsense that the commercial channels currently churn out.

Great TV, great radio (world service!) and we also use things like BBC Bitesize a lot.

Without the license fee do you think they would bother to produce things like the shipping service, Asian network etc? Stuff with value that are unlikely to pull in big audiences?

goldenstarpine Sat 06-Oct-12 15:10:44

why should people who dont agree with the bbc have to contribute towards it.

The bbc have brainwashed people into thinking their service is as important as the taxes we pay for health and education,that is the veiw point of other posters.

even scarier is that the public can be prosecuted for having a tv with no licence what kind of draconian rule is that.

the bbc is full of corruption, this year alone there have been accusations of sexism, ageism,tax avoidence of it so called stars and now child sex abuse,its making the murdoch empire seem like angels.

sorry i no longer want a part of this and should not be theatened with prosecution because i would like to watch other channels that are not the bbc

CakeBump Sat 06-Oct-12 15:21:58

I apologise, iplayer has changed then since I last watched it!!

adeucalione Sat 06-Oct-12 16:38:17

But aren't you proud of the quality of British television, goldenstarpine?

Wherever I travel I am amazed at the utter crap that other nationalities have to endure, and always appreciate the BBC when I come home.

Yes the BBC does make brilliant TV, but it also pushes up the quality of the commercial channels as they try to compete, and provide the vast majority of the public service type broadcasts.

It was brilliant watching the Olympics on the BBC, and frustrating watching the Paraolympics on Channel 5.


Swedish - the BBC help fund channel 4

ivykaty44 Sat 06-Oct-12 16:45:01

How would you deal with all the online content and radio stations?

A tv licence is exactly that -a licence for live tv and not a licence for radio or internet.

The bbc doesn't have to upload programs to the iplayer if they choose not to and they can't ask you to have a licence to watch the stuff as it is not live tv.

adeucalione Sat 06-Oct-12 16:45:10

Outragedatthepriceoffreddos - the BBC run Children in Need because it is their very own charity, originating with them grin

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Sat 06-Oct-12 19:28:15

Yes, thats why I don't like it adeucalione.

I agree that I always really appreciate the BBC after being abroad.

Toombs Sat 06-Oct-12 20:13:07

You don't need a licence to own a TV, you don't need a licence to watch TV. You only need a licence if you watch live TV, you can watch catch up TV, Apple TV, DVD's and videos or use one as a computer monitor completely legally without a TV licence.

FourEyesGold Sat 06-Oct-12 20:46:28

YABU. I'm another big fan of the BBC - not just the telly, but many of the radio stations and all of the online stuff, including Bitesize. I get a bit pissed off with people who get rid of their telly to avoid paying the licence fee then use the iplayer and the websites. If you value the BBC, pay for it. Commercial telly is almost always inferior (although I am watching X Factor now... blush), and commercial radio is just utter, utter pap.

BertieBotts Sat 06-Oct-12 21:06:19

You don't need a special device to pick up live TV online now, however I think you still need a licence to use such a device. You also need one if you use the online services which let you watch as it's being broadcast even if you don't own a TV.

I have a TV but only watch iplayer, DVDs etc. TV licence know about this and are quite happy for you to put it as an option when you send them the form saying you don't need a licence.

DelhiCalling Sat 06-Oct-12 21:08:05

Yanbu.BBC is a disgrace.

Toombs Sat 06-Oct-12 21:13:18

BertieBotts, You do not have to inform TVL of anything, in fact you should never engage with them at all. It is never to your advantage.

BertieBotts Sat 06-Oct-12 21:13:40

Meh, it's stopped them bothering me.

Toombs Sat 06-Oct-12 21:15:16

It won't, they'll be back.

WishICouldBeLikeDavidWicks Sat 06-Oct-12 21:55:55

I flipping love the BBC. I listen to the radio all day ( different shows on different stations), my children watch Cbeebies and then I watch some BBC 2/4 in the evenings.

I do find it odd that we have a tv tax so to speak but I think an independent media, not directly owned by the government or a sponsor means we get quality and impartiality and no damn adverts.

I can't believe people pay another £40+ a month on top for SKY etc. i'd want to be watching telly 10 hours a day to get my money's worth.

Myliferocks Sat 06-Oct-12 22:05:07

I would gall carry on paying for a tv license if it means the BBC does not have adverts on it.
We have Sky as well and he adverts on there drive me mad.
When I used to watch Star Trek on BBC2 it would last 45 minutes. The same programme on Sky would take 60 minutes to watch with all the advert breaks in it.

BeyondLimitsOfTheLivingDead Sat 06-Oct-12 22:27:51

Just another reminder that you only need a licence if you are watching LIVE tv.

So to the poster who pays just for doctor who, cancel your licence and watch it an hour later on iplayer! smile

And dont forget, tvl officials are not crb checked, and you do not have to let them in your home without a warrant (this is confirmed on their website btw)

Toombs Sat 06-Oct-12 22:31:03

Don't ever let one in,

ohforfoxsake Sat 06-Oct-12 22:47:10

I would gladly pay my Sky subscription to the BBC if they showed the same level of Sports - we pay a fortune to Sky for the privilege. I can do without the other 860 Sky channels.

I love the BBC and it genuinely saddens me that it is so poorly managed across the departments. There are a massive number of employees who work stupid hours out of loyalty, commitment and a love of what they do, and who want to give us amazing television, like the Olympics.

It's like the Olympics didn't happen. How quickly people forget. sad

BertieBotts Sat 06-Oct-12 22:51:23

hmm Of course he raped her because he was a TV licence inspector and not just a massive cock.

Might as well never let any bloke into my house then grin

Toombs Sat 06-Oct-12 22:53:30

Never let unexpected callers in. Make an appointment. This is the advice of the police not me.

AndiMac Sun 07-Oct-12 00:22:30

I can't help but look down at all the people who say they don't want to pay for the BBC and then tell you all the ways to watch it for free via iPlayer.

Don't give me any crap about having "morals". That is just be a tightwad.

BertieBotts Sun 07-Oct-12 00:45:21

Er, or being skint and not being able to justify the cost! Why have an option to watch without a licence for free if they don't want people to use it? confused

StuntGirl Sun 07-Oct-12 00:59:18

We watch Netflix. Much better than regular tv! Occasionally watch iPlayer and 4OD but will probably stop if/when they make the licence cover catch up services too.

scandy Sun 07-Oct-12 01:12:32

All the people who claim they never watch the BBC make me laugh. Olympics, Wimbledon, Proms, Newsnight, Strictly, Diamond Jubilee, QI, the Royal Wedding, the Queen's Speech... No, never watched any of those?

Toombs Sun 07-Oct-12 01:35:31

As long as its not live it's perfectly legal to watch without a tv licence.

BeyondLimitsOfTheLivingDead Sun 07-Oct-12 06:08:09

Im with stuntgirl, i cancelled mine because I was already paying for netflix and never watching tv. I do use iplayer (rarely- its much slower than netflix), but if I had to pay for it, I'd just go without.
My mum has a digital recorder, she could just record dr who for me wink

And those just watching cbeebies - netflix has a kids programmes only section, so I put that on for DS1 and he chooses what he wants to watch (Means I sometimes have to put up with bloody dora, but at least no justin fletcher!!)

BeyondLimitsOfTheLivingDead Sun 07-Oct-12 06:11:05

Scandy, only QI and rarely newsnight. But I could live without both.
Not particularly interested in most sport, or anything monarchy related. Nor Saturday night voting shows.

scandy Sun 07-Oct-12 09:08:22

Yes it is perfectly legal to watch recorded shows without a license, but someone still has to pay for those shows to be made. At the moment, those of us who pay our license fee finance the creation of the shows that you catch up with on iplayer. Sure, it could be advert financed, then we'd get a BBC of the same standard as the commercial channels. At the moment we have a political majority in this country who believe there should be a public service alternative, and a majority of people seem to think that is a good thing. That is the point of a democracy, there are lots of political decisions where you can't opt in our out, because it would be impossible to run the country if everyone got to choose every individual aspect of society according to their needs. I never use libraries, for example, but I agree they are important and don't mind my taxes being spent on them. On the other hand, I think public service radio and television is hugely important, and the BBC does an amazing job unrivalled by any other broadcasting company in the world. We should be incredibly proud of it.

Toombs Sun 07-Oct-12 10:20:45

That is of course your opinion and you are entitled to it, I on the other hand regard the BBC as a wasteful plague that can only finance itself by forcing people to pay for it whether they want to or not. I have never in my adult life had a TV licence, I refuse to prop up this biased criminal organisation.

They even got someone who is completely innocent convicted, see here:

moonstorm Sun 07-Oct-12 10:25:48

YANBU It would be so easy ('easy' - they would be able to do it, might be hard - but not impossible).

They could be like Sky/ Virgin etc. I want to be able to boycott it if I see fit. I would miss some radio, but that's about it.

adeucalione Sun 07-Oct-12 11:09:15

Yes they could be like Sky or Virgin, where programmes are only made if they're likely to be profitable, where unpopular series' aren't shown to their conclusion and where there's 15mins of adverts in every hour despite the fact viewers are paying £30pm for the privilege.

I'd like to pay my licence fee twice and never watch another advert in my life.

moonstorm Sun 07-Oct-12 11:30:38

The advert thing is where dh and I disagree about opting in to watch the BBC. I'm sure the BBC could place adverts only between programmes and not during as their USP.

You could pay my licence fee for me grin

If i was to get rid of my tv and just watch on demand programs then i wouldnt need to pay the licence fee even if i only ever watched bbc iplayer but because i have a tv in my house i need to pay the fee. So basically its the owning a tv that you are paying for and not the bbc services

ohforfoxsake Sun 07-Oct-12 11:40:51

You want to watch programmes made by the BBC in iPlayer but not pay for the programmes to be made?

BertieBotts Sun 07-Oct-12 11:42:54

No you don't Slutty. You can have a TV without a licence as long as you're not using it to watch TV as it's being broadcast. I have one for the playstation and as a second monitor for the PC - I've disconnected the aerial though.

lljkk Sun 07-Oct-12 11:43:56


Sorry should have been more specific. As long as the tv has no way of recieving a tv signal then you dont need to pay a licence.
fox I dont watch any tv, i dont get the time. However, i have 3 children who do so we have sky for the kids tv. If i want to watch something i watch it online.

Toombs Sun 07-Oct-12 11:54:55

No you don't, the TV can be completely functional. You do not need to modify it at all. Having the capability is not enough, to require a TV licence you actually have to watch broadcast TV.

ohforfoxsake Sun 07-Oct-12 11:55:10

BBC Children's is infinitely better than anything you get on Sky.

I personally hate paying Murdoch huge amounts of money each year so my family can watch the Sport they love. But I suck it up because the BBC cannot afford to bid for the outrageous amounts that sky do as a commercial concern. I don't think we should be forced to pay to see our teams football matches. Channel 4 did a great job on the Paralympics, but the adverts were a PITA, ITV have cocked up many times with live sport and badly placed ad breaks.

for value for money, the BBC wins hands down. There's a lot I don't like about it, but thats not about programming and at the end of the day we are very lucky that it continues to produce great quality stuff on TV, Radio, iPlayer, red button, World Service, etc etc.

Toombs Sun 07-Oct-12 12:08:58

It's value for money if you want to watch it, it's not value for money if you don't. Given that it's funded by forcibly extracting money on pain of fines or imprisonment I don't think it's value for money. If you want it you pay for it, why should people who don't want it be forced to subsidise your viewing?

moonstorm Sun 07-Oct-12 12:28:24

What Toombs said.

ohforfoxsake Sun 07-Oct-12 12:35:05

I'm happy to subsidise other people's viewing.

If it was that or nothing, if it meant everyone got to benefit, then gladly.

Much rather do that than line murdoch's pocket.

moonstorm Sun 07-Oct-12 12:46:13

If they didn't have to pay the licence fee, then maybe they could spend it on something else (or Sky/ Virgin)

Echocave Sun 07-Oct-12 13:41:35

I'm a bit torn on this one. On one hand YANBU in principle because the licence fee seems anachronistic (I'm not commenting on criminal or questionable activities by presenters) but otoh, the BBC has a service remit to provide certain types of programming that commercial stations don't. As a result, there is a wider choice.

In fact, picturing a world in which the only TV available was Dog The Bounty Hunter on subscription (shudder), I suppose I'm saying YABU. But I'm glad the BBC has been prevented from increasing the fee every year for a while because it's bloody expensive.

IKnowItsMyFaultBut Sun 07-Oct-12 13:46:19

Regardless of the moral arguments about stealth taxes choice etc, the BBC produces by far the best and most popular content. It still gets the highest viewing figures even now.

I'm a practical person, I'm more interests in the ends than the means. The BBC produces great stuff (not just tele, but radio, a good website, several symphony orchestras and probably other stuff too) and for that reason alone it should remain as it is.

IKnowItsMyFaultBut Sun 07-Oct-12 13:47:55

If it ain't broke....

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IKnowItsMyFaultBut Sun 07-Oct-12 13:48:11
MrsKeithRichards Mon 08-Oct-12 20:50:44

Tell you what the license fee has been justified in this house after Andrew Marr's history of the world thing.

It's shit like that BBC do well. Sure you get stuff on History and Discovery but they are over dramatic with naff voice overs and cheap graphics.

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