to wish that the pelvic toner advert would vanish....now!

(139 Posts)
Hanikam Fri 05-Oct-12 20:57:48

I like to read mumsnet during quiet moments at work.
That stupid advert for the pelvic toner pops up at awkward moments.
Who says "50% of mothers have weak bladders / pelvic intolerance?"
As compared to who? non-mothers, population as a whole (including men, who might have trouble inserting the damned thing.....rectal toner maybe?)

Don't want people to look at me like I'm someone who regularly wets her knickers.
so, aibu?

catgirl1976 Fri 05-Oct-12 21:02:46

Everytime I see it I squuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzze

catgirl1976 Fri 05-Oct-12 21:03:30

PS - It doesn't need a comparative.

It says "50% of mothers". So that's fine as it is. Doesn't need to be compared to anyone to make sense

<sqqquuueeezzee>

WorraLiberty Fri 05-Oct-12 21:05:23

Only a few months ago I would have said YANBU

But after reading a long thread about trampolines, I was absolutely stunned at how many posters said they couldn't bounce on a trampoline without peeing themselves?!?

So perhaps they have their statistics right?

SheppySheepdog Fri 05-Oct-12 21:06:27

It is vaguely insulting isn't it?! Not sure why.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 05-Oct-12 21:08:31

Well if anyone tells me it works from their own experience, they can have £25 of my money! And the money of a fair few of my frieds tbh! smile

<adjusts tena lady slightly>

PelvicFloorClenchReminder Fri 05-Oct-12 21:11:09

<clench>

SoleSource Fri 05-Oct-12 21:13:23

I have the Athenafem device.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 05-Oct-12 21:24:36

I had the TensCare battery powered do-dah.

Broke it sad smile

monkeysbignuts Fri 05-Oct-12 21:25:28

It looks like a scary metal vibrator!

edwinbear Fri 05-Oct-12 21:28:04

Kegal8. Despite an anterior and posterior prolapse so bad, the speculum on Thursdays smear test kept falling out, I have never had a wee related incident.

LesleyPumpshaft Fri 05-Oct-12 21:31:54

To be fair, before I was a mum I sneezed and a little bit of wee came out.

Meglet Fri 05-Oct-12 21:32:09

<Lift and squeeze>.

A friend had a CS 4 months ago and she was over-sharing on FB about her ruined pelvic floor, another friend had lovely home births but she said she can't run anymore. I don't have problems but I reckon 50% could be right.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 05-Oct-12 21:34:30

No good for me, Edwin. The 'probe' is the same as the TensCare and I could never get it in the right place iyswim. Too high = no benefit, too low = electroctuting my fanjo.
Ouch.
£170 for the athenafem is out of the question SoleSource.

Come on, someone must have tried the one that's advertised. Don't be shy.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 05-Oct-12 21:35:42

electrocuting hmm

electrotuting is something completely different wink

BertieBotts Fri 05-Oct-12 21:36:09

I was a bit shock to see it on the feminism section, for some reason.

LesleyPumpshaft Fri 05-Oct-12 21:46:08

It's only shocking in the feminism section if it's aimed at women wanting to 'please' their DP's and DH's with a tighter vag. Nothing wrong with not wanting to wee yourself when you jump up and down though. grin

You see it at work?

shock

I thought it was only on after the watershed.

LesleyPumpshaft Fri 05-Oct-12 21:54:42

I keep seeing it too. It's a bit of a cuss tbh. Sort of like saying that you are an incontinent, over-the-hill old bag who will prolly end up in Tena Lady pads unless you buy this special fanjo machine.

Ach, cmon.

^^That was a brilliant post.

MadBusLady Fri 05-Oct-12 21:56:56

<Aaaaand hold halfway>

MrsKeithRichards Fri 05-Oct-12 21:58:24

Someone once mentioned (might have been on the trampoline thread) that they purchased one for each new mum they knew as a gift.

MmeLindor Fri 05-Oct-12 23:10:19

I follow a wonderful woman on Twitter who says that a third of women will have a wee problem in their lives.

She tweets me to do my exercises. Better than shelling out £25 for that thing.

olgaga Fri 05-Oct-12 23:54:54

Whatever happened to pelvic floor exercises? You can scrunch whenever you like for as long as you like - why fork out for an expensive dildoesque contraption?

I speak as one who literally pissed herself laughing once playing swingball, time and perseverance is all you need.

every time a thread like this comes up i think yabu.
I'm sick of clenching. smile

gussiegrips Sat 06-Oct-12 01:16:55

Mmm Lindor - blush

Right, girls, hunker down.

The FACT is that 1:3 of mumsnet readership piss themselves. If you want references, I'll happily PM them to you - but meanwhile, reflect that tena is Big Business, and that exists for a reason.

And, Hanikam I am glad you don't have this bother. But, look at your pals. A third of them wee when they squee.

They are embarrassed. Their self esteem suffers. They become depressed. Their sex life dissolves - apart from worrying that she is reeking of pish, she's got no hope of having an orgasm because her saggy muscles won't let her. They stop going out to play incase they need a wee and disgrace themselves in public - because, the fact is that it is excruciatingly embarrassing.

But, if a THIRD of us do it - why should that be? And, by the way, that's a third of women aged 35-55. Once you are over 55 it's 50%. Don't think that not having had kids will save you. Or that having casearians will. These are risk factors, not insurance policies.

And, whilst I've I'm on my high horse - it's not just wee. Women poo themselves. You get yourself a hernia in your vagina like a rectocele and you might find you can't poo, or are fecally incontinent. Ghastly way to live, you either shove it all back up there with your fingers inside your vagina, or you use a tool, or you get yourself a douche prescribed. Oh yeah, and you can have your bladder sitting in the way, or the whole jingbang can just fall right out.

Did you all know that? No, course not. That's my fault. I'm a physio, and my profession does not do enough to teach you all about WHY you need to know about your pelvic floor and why you want to have a smashing one.

A third of us have pelvic floor weakness. Of that third, 40% have prolapses. It's a political disgrace that women are living with these distressing, painful, unrelenting conditions. These are women you know. Women who laugh about trampolines as being an unobtainable ambition, but who might not be sharing that they pish themselves during sex.

And, yes, menfolks have duff pelvic floors too. Got a man who farts when he gets up out of the chair? Drives you crazy with his skid marks? Dribbles all over your bathroom floor? Has premature ejaculation? He doesn't need to put up with it either... but men's continence is even more of a taboo than ours.

I want a mumsnet campaign. The good thing is that, just doing yerblardyexercises WILL help and can cure (depending on whether you've just got stress incontinence or have prolapse, and to which degree that is)...who's with me? I have woad.

Seriously though - don't put up with it. See your GP. See a women's health physio, a continence nurse, or feel free to PM me.

Don't ignore it. Google image "vaginal prolapse" if you need convincing. And, let's bust this taboo. I love the smell of taboo busting in the morning....

(best not do that google search at work, kai?)

gussiegrips Sat 06-Oct-12 01:31:27

Oh, and to answer questions (please ecooze typos and poor spelling - it's three glasses of wine in. Arguably, i'm at my best)

There are a variety of pelvic kit available. Ones that use weight to strengthen, ones that use resistance, ones that Zap your bits with an electrical charge to get them to contract.

Some women are so flappy of flower (that's a technical term) that they find it difficult to tell whether or not they are, actually, contracting their pelvic floor. So, gadgetry like the pelvic toner, or the incostress, or keygal, or kegal8, or aquflex...or just getting yourself a set of ben wa balls or a vibrator... might help inititate the contraction.

Frankly, I'm glad the advert makes you think you might land up a smelly old lady. For a third of your friends, that's a reality. Doyerblardyexercises.

Am wondering how to keep going without transgessing the talk rules about advertising. I am happy to chat, for no fee about flappy fanjoes. Have a look at the website mme lindor put upthread, or PM me. Or, have a look at the excellent facebook group "pelvic organ prolapse support" where there are an assortment of internationally based medics, nurses and physios who give advice for free.

Please. Don't. Put. Up. With. It. You don't need to. 80% of stress incontinence can be significantly improved or cured by doingyerblardyexercises.

I'll shut up now. See you on twitter...add an @ to my username. x

Excellent post, Gussie- nice balance of humour and facts! clenching as I type

deleted203 Sat 06-Oct-12 02:03:04

80% can improve. Seriously? Cos I'm a wee-er on a trampoline. Or with a mad coughing fit. I read the adverts for the Bladder Foundation on the back of the lavvy door when in motorway service stations and think, yeah, yeah. I'm 45 and I've had 5 kids and I honestly thought it was normal to wee yourself when having a chesty cough. I would love not to, providing I don't need surgery. Not got a prolapse (I don't think). And still got reasonable internal muscles when shagging (if that's not TMI). Recommendations please Gussie.

gussiegrips Sat 06-Oct-12 02:28:02

Yep. 80% improve. Might not cure. But will improve, and with that, comes better sexual function - so, stuff the trampoline, use that as a motivator. If you're going to do it, you may as well make ti worth your while...

Brief summary:

clench for 10 secs. You should feel a "drop" when you let go. No drop, you've lost the contraction. You need to be able to clench for 10 secs to stop yourself from pissing your pants when you struggle to unlock your front door.

10 quick flicks. So, clench, clench, clench, x10. That stops you from pissing yourself when you sneeze/laugh/cough

3 floors - imagine you've got a wee lift in your speshul place. Don't think about why that might be too much, just imagine the elevator taking tiny wee people to your first floor (I know, it raises more questions than I'm comfortable with), second floor, third. Then, back down - that's the tricky bit. That stops you from pissing yourself when walking downhill in high heels.

Doing those three exercises three times a day, every day, for the rest of your life, will improve the problems you have, prevent further problems and make shagging worth your trouble.

Mind, that's for simple stress incontinence. If you have degree of prolapse, or bladder frequency, or urgency then it's a bit more complicated and you can't be guaranteed 80% improvement within a month of clenching. Will still help, but best see your GP.

Justgottadoyerblardyexercises. @gussiegrips - I tweet, you twitch your twinkle. I'm a great nag.

deleted203 Sat 06-Oct-12 02:35:12

Thank you gussie! I'm clenching! I'll give it a go for a month and let you know! (If I'm still pissing when I cough I'll be pissed off). Or does it take longer to improve?

gussiegrips Sat 06-Oct-12 02:55:48

Weeeelll, that depends.

You should see an improvement within a month. Whether that is enough to resolve your symptoms, or just bring back the toe curl to an orgasm depends on whether it's a simple stress incontinence or something more involved.

But, the short answer, is that, yes. Most women would expect to find significant improvement in a short period of time. Which is why I Get So Cross. There is No Need To Live Like This!

See you on twitter, do let me know how you get on. Am endlessly interested in chat about wee <looks at clock and realises I may be a little obsessive>

deleted203 Sat 06-Oct-12 02:58:01

lol...I'm still clenching! OK, some improvement would do me (my orgasms are still toe curling - it's the piddling when I cough I could live without) grin. I'll be back in a month with an update!

LesleyPumpshaft Sat 06-Oct-12 06:39:07

Did anyone's midwife tell them to begin their pelvic floor exercises on their first visit? My midwife told me that everyone should do their pelvic floor exercises full stop.

smornintime Sat 06-Oct-12 07:00:03

There was a physio in the hosp when I had DS who was very enthusiastic about pelvic floor as soon as you'd finished with labour grin I had a go - its very odd to know you're trying but not be able to feel ANYTHING happening!
I do try to do most of what gussie has described but evidently not often enough...must try harder...

LesleyPumpshaft Sat 06-Oct-12 07:07:01

Tbh, you need to put the effort and time in with pelvic floor exercises. Just doing a few a day doesn't really improve things, that's just what I found though. It might be different for other people.

I've know some people who say they don't work, but it's like going to the gym and any kind of exercise, you only see results when you push yourself, and you won't get results straight away. Many people underestimate how long and how often they should do them for imo.

I found doing them 3 times a day and building up really helped. My next goal is to fire ping pong balls out of my fanjo. grin

OnlyWantsOne Sat 06-Oct-12 07:11:28

What can be done about prolapse I'm too scared to admit these things to any one in real life. I'm in my fucking 20s it depresses me so much I cry about it

LesleyPumpshaft Sat 06-Oct-12 07:14:54

Idk, OnlyWantsOne. Can't the doctor refer you to have an operation? A lady I know had an op to sort her prolapse out.

OnlyWantsOne Sat 06-Oct-12 07:19:01

Wail. But I'm scared.

ZiggyPlayedGuitar Sat 06-Oct-12 07:19:08

Yanbu, it's really tempting me in to buying it. I don't wee when I bounce but I'm so paranoid about keeping my pelvic floor tight!

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LesleyPumpshaft Sat 06-Oct-12 07:22:15

LesleyPumpshaft. No need to be scared m' dear. Is it the thought of surgery, or the embarrassment going to see the doctor?

OnlyWantsOne Sat 06-Oct-12 07:28:03

lesley it's all those things. I'm a horrific wimp.

LesleyPumpshaft Sat 06-Oct-12 07:31:12

Only, understandable. I'm assuming you've given birth, could it be much worse than that? Think of the long term benefits, it's not worth suffering in silence over it. Apparently it's un-mumsnetty to give hugs, so here's a brew instead.

OnlyWantsOne Sat 06-Oct-12 09:00:25

Maybe I should plant myself on the ragged bits thread?

bucketfanniedbertha Sat 06-Oct-12 09:21:09

I'm so glad to see this thread as I am utterly miserable about my horrible fanjo. I have ordered one of those toners but jesus....I don't seem to have a continence problem, just a horrible, slack mess. Couldn't admit this in real life but air escapes EVERY time I sit up or sit down and it makes a noise as I walk. Am seriously depressed about it, it's disgusting. Have had 3 children.

eurochick Sat 06-Oct-12 09:47:36

To lighten the mood a little, several years ago, my gran had a hysterectomy. The dr on his rounds told her to do her pelvic floor exercises. When we went to visit, she told us this, rounding off with "They can't expect me to get down there at my age, I'd never get back up again!".

My mum had to try to explain to her what pelvic floor exercises were and how to do them, being clear that she didn't have to get on the floor to do them....

MmeLindor Sat 06-Oct-12 10:32:12

Onlywantsone
PM Gussie. She is totally lovely and will give you great advice. Don't suffer when you don't have to.

Gussie
I am going to have a Pelvic Floor Party sometime this winter.

Gussie is going to do Pelvic Floor Parties - think Tupperware but with LOTS of wine and clenching. Invite very good friends who are up for a lot of laughs while learning how to improve their fanjo fitness.

Might have to repair the downstairs loo first.

NaiceSpam Sat 06-Oct-12 10:50:45

Lindor if your guests are anything like me, with all the wine they'll be grateful for the pelvic floor assistance blush

It's a fab idea though, put it front of mind!

mrsminerva Sat 06-Oct-12 11:02:14

gussie that's brilliant and true. We should have a wristband and ribbon too, I suggest either poo brown or wee yellow.

I had stress incontinence which was due to age, vaginal birth and excess weight. I lost weight and used a electric toner up there and was able to throw away the tena lady pads thank God. I have a 20 min session each morning which we jokingly refer to as frying my fanny.

HecateHarshPants Sat 06-Oct-12 11:03:43

50%? Sounds about right. carrying a child and having it is a big strain on your pelvic floor. It's not unreasonable or unrealistic to say that that results in about half the people who've done it having some continence problems afterwards.

I don't see it as insulting, or embarrassing at all.

It's also not compared to anything. It's just a percentage of the number of people who have had a baby grin

porcamiseria Sat 06-Oct-12 12:38:18

lets face it they have chosen a clever slot to advertise

the shape and whiteplasticoccockyness is v unfortunate though

I am in my 40's.

I consider that the availability of pelvic toners to be a Feminist issue, not the other way round.

When i was growing up it was thought that women naturally get back pain, incontinence and shrink/lose bone mass, that was when little was known (or cared) about womens health.

Women don't have to suffer from the conditions that they used to, they were not a 'natural' part of being female and can be prevented, or at least improved.

TanteRose Sat 06-Oct-12 13:38:09

Brilliant thread - all hail gussie grin

<aims to perfect my descending elevator...><clenchhhhh>

Is anyone more that 4 posts into this thread and not doing their pelvic floor exercises? grin

TanteRose Sat 06-Oct-12 13:44:57

I started doing them when I read the thread title in Active Convos grin

Nagoo Sat 06-Oct-12 13:58:14

<clench>

grin Gussie you are a legend smile

MmeLindor Sat 06-Oct-12 17:48:21

We should aim to keep this bumped so that every time it pops up in ACs, we do a collective <clench>

Gillianfl Sat 06-Oct-12 19:00:52

go for it gussie! At last a physio who speaks the truth - well done, even if it takes 3 glasses.
My best friend SlackAlice was like so many of these nice ladies and really didn't think she had a problem. She blamed the lack of nice sexy sensations on the fact that men's thingies shrink significantly after they become DHs. It's a fact, ask any mumsnetter!!! They know everything about everything. LOL
Anyway, SlackAlice bought her self a pelvic toner and you know what - it does just what it's name suggests, and now we call her MightyTighty and she's a favourite with all the boys.
Get a life girls! I mean it. There is life after children when you don't leak and sex is very very enjoyable.
And tightening up your pelvic floor is the first step so £25 will be well spent, believe me.

Why tvym, EH.

I knew someone on here has to appreciate my SOH.

<<jack russels Eleanor>>

<<quietly>>

<<in a darkened room>>

gussiegrips Sat 06-Oct-12 21:07:52

Don't be all kind and nice to me, girls. I'll get all diva-esque and the chances of my husband supplying me with any sort of Jennifer Lopez backstage demands are slim...

Bit more about prolapse:

A prolapse is essentially a hernia in your vagina. A weak bit in the wall of the front of it and your bladder can slip forwards into the gap. At the back, your rectum can slip forwards. And, there is another where your uterus can slip down into your vagina. You can have one, two or all three. They can be graded as a slight bulge to a complete prolapse where the organs can fall right out.

Symptoms include - a feeling of heaviness in the pelvis, a lump or a bulge, painful sex, feeling like "something is falling out", difficulty using tampons, urinary incontinence, fecal incontinence, IBS-like symptoms.

Treatment ranges from simple exercises, to electro-stimulation and bio-feedback, pessaries (plastic gubbings that hold the bits back where they should be) and various types of surgery.

The first thing to do is to relax. Nothing can be fixed unless it is diagnosed. These problems are common, really, really common. And, often, really easily fixed.

Take your fanny to your GP. Be reassured, no one will judge you. No one will be shocked at the sight of your bits. No one will laugh, no one will cry either. I do understand that it is an embarrassing and difficult thing to do - but yours will be the next in a long line of fannies that the GP has looked at that day. And, you need a diagnosis and help. So, ehm, take off your big girl pants and flop out those legs so you can get a diagnosis and reassurance.

Ask to be referred to a woman's health physio, a continence nurse or a uro-gynaecologist. Do not be brushed off with a muttering of "do your exercises" Be clear about what your symptoms are, what you are doign to help yourself and that you want a specialist referral.

I hope that doesn't read as disrespectful to GP's. I am not meaning to suggest that they would brush you off - but, anecdotally, a little assertiveness can be a helpful thing to secure a referral.

Please, do PM me. I freely give out shineys for taking responsibility for your health and doing something positive that could change your life...you do not have to live with these things.

Spuddybean Sat 06-Oct-12 21:21:28

Oh thanks for this thread. I am currently investigating what i can do. I recently had a bad birth and have been left double incontinent. I have a referral to physio in a few weeks and am clenching constantly, but am terrified i will be like this forever sad

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Sat 06-Oct-12 21:23:23

Hmm, may have to try to do the exercises instead of relying on gadgets then. Didn't get the hang of those weighted cones either. Thanks for setting them out so clearly, gussie.
I did hear on radio 4 that they'd need at least 6 months to work and don't always work anyway. Your evangelism has convinced me to give it a try.

gussiegrips Sat 06-Oct-12 22:11:01

Spuddy - clenching is key. glad you are getting a referral.

Music and Dance - which radio 4 programme? I'll be onto them with my evangelism!

Must confess, I'm not a big fan of weighted cones. there is good evidence behind them (well, the aquaflex ones anyway, though, they all work along the same principle) but - given the function of the pelvic floor is to support the weight of all your guts, and, personally speaking, I have a fair bit of that, what difference will another couple of ounces make? I need my pelvic floor to support the neck of my bladder and whatnot, don't particularly need it to lift dumbells...and, if you want to weight it - well, aren't you doing that every time you eat a meal, or need a poo, or need a pee?

Dunno. Resistance and restoring functional postition make more sense to me.

But, that might be because one time I saw one of those cones rolling down the cereal aisle in Sainsburys....

edwinbear Sat 06-Oct-12 22:18:20

I have to agree with gussie. I've had a rectocele and cystocele (bowel and bladder prolapse) since having ds 3 years ago. I've been putting off surgery as I wanted another baby and it's best to try and delay it if you plan on another vaginal birth. I have seen numerous GP's, gynaes, physios and nurses for smear tests etc and not one of them has even raised an eyebrow, even though I was young for a prolapse at 34 and unlucky to suffer one after a first birth. A prolapse is a far, far more common affliction than I had realised and I have had nothing but support and empathy from every healthcare professional I have discussed it with.

TanteRose Sun 07-Oct-12 03:52:14

Bumping this for those in different time zones

< rocking clenching all over the world>

gussiegrips Sun 07-Oct-12 12:14:16

Tante What was the name of that that weird rock dance Status Quo fans do? Where they put their hands on their hips and bend backwards and forwards at each other?

That is the new jedi pelvic floor move. Trampolines are demoted.

....and, I like it, I like it, I na na naa na, naa na na naa, wo-oh, clenching all over the world....

genius.

OnlyWantsOne Sun 07-Oct-12 15:13:31

Suppose I should go and see my new GP then sad

TanteRose Sun 07-Oct-12 15:21:00

you can do it, Only - don't be scared. Pick up the phone tomorrow morning and make an appointment.

aaaand, altogether now <clenching all over the wooorld> grin

cocolepew Sun 07-Oct-12 15:30:26

Don't put off going to your GP if pelvic floor exercises aren't helping. I had stress and urge incontinence after having the DDs. I had a prolapse and had TVT op tp sort it out.

I've recently had a hysterectomy and I am clenching for all I'm worth reading this thread grin

SoleSource Sun 07-Oct-12 17:32:30

I own my own Athenafem. GP sometimes loan them too, as a poster stated on another thread, here.

gussiegrips Sun 07-Oct-12 19:57:07

coco thanks for that - takes an average of seven years for a woman to get around to seeking help. Seven years. Sheesh.

MrsMinerva Am musing over a wristband. Or, tena pad brooches with a giant red cross through the middle?

Birdsgottafly I agree. It is little short of a political disgrace that so many women are suffering. I don't say that lightly - "suffering " is not an exaggeration. Apart from the embarrassment and pain, there's a high incidence of depression in women with continence problems. And, the stress on a relationship when one of you doesn't much fancy sex because, well, what's the point, can't feel anything anyway. And then, consider the number of older women getting up to go the loo in the night who fall and break their hip...

Solesource that's interesting, I haven't come across GP's loaning out electrical stimulators. You've got to watch with the zappy things - you can do too much and wear out your wee woo woo. Be careful if you've got a prolapse before rushing out to get an electrical stimulator - they are really effective on women with very poor strength, but I'd recommend having a GP check that it's going to be helpful. And, remember, less is more. 15 - 20 mins is recommended for a reason - you don't want a burn up your speshul playce...

Tell you what bemuses me though - why do women put up with wetting ourselves? I really don't understand why we accept this is a reasonable way to live our lives.

Curious.

I wonder whether it's just that we are not very good at prioritising our needs. And, seeing as how drenching our gussets isn't going to kill us...well, must do something about that tomorrow...?

I'd be really grateful for some insights into this mystery. And, am resisting flicking my hair about whilst simpering "because, you're worth it"

Meanwhile, if you are looking for more info then have a look at my website (details on my profile, don't want to fall foul ofMN advertising) and get onto twitter. Do yer blardy exercises - hold for 10, 10 quick flicks and then that weird lift thingie up 3 floors and back down again.

Call it "mula banda" if it makes you feel better, I can't shake the mental image of a bunch of wee borrowers enjoying the novelty of not taking the stairs...

cocolepew Sun 07-Oct-12 20:03:29

Gussie your profile isn't public.

AmberLeaf Sun 07-Oct-12 20:17:55

Gussie its the shoulder bop grin

Great thread and ive just done the 10 clench thingy!

gussiegrips Sun 07-Oct-12 20:28:09

Pants. Hing oan. <muttering darkly about the need for a PA after spending blardy ages updating the profile only the other day so people could find the links...>

shoulder bop? Isn't that what newborns do when their heads get all that heavy way all of a sudden?

gussiegrips Sun 07-Oct-12 20:43:15

that better? fingers crossed!

cocolepew Sun 07-Oct-12 20:44:24

Nope! You need to click the make profile public thingymajig.

gussiegrips Sun 07-Oct-12 20:46:17

Full of typos - but I think it's there?

WandaDoff Sun 07-Oct-12 20:56:03

Yes, can see it now smile

gussiegrips Sun 07-Oct-12 20:58:14

Phew.

Just in time for Downton.

Who fancies playing a pelvic floor game? Every time Lady Grantham raises her eyebrows we do a hold for 10. Every time Lady Edith sighs we do 10 quick flicks and every time we see a fahaaabulous frock we do up and downie 3 floors?

Not quite a drinking game, but might be worth a shot...

MmeLindor Sun 07-Oct-12 21:11:10

Gussie
You are a marvel

<German clench>

EyesCrossedLegsAkimbo Sun 07-Oct-12 21:18:45

Why have I never seen this advert?

cocolepew Sun 07-Oct-12 22:09:01

You're a gem gussie. Great website thanks.

gussiegrips Sun 07-Oct-12 22:42:53

Phew. Downton. That Lady Grantham, she's quite worn me out!

mme lindor babelfish says that's a zusammenpressen?

Eyes the pelvic toner ad was a featured ad. They had a sponsored chat thingie and their product has research supporting it. I'm not employed by them and I don't have any affiliation with them, so, I think it's ok to paste a linky pelvic toner doodah

Glad you like the website, coco It's only a wee freebie one whilst I faff about and try to decide how much cash I want to fritter invest in what is, essentially, a blardygoodlarfsofar.

Eyes wait til you see MY advert. Bwa ha ha haa.

TanteRose Mon 08-Oct-12 14:19:41

bumping again - gussies website

Nagoo Mon 08-Oct-12 14:52:42

I have bought me some of those balls. <clench clench>

Wierdly I have had a flashback to my parents having a set as ornametnts in the front room, and we used to play with them like boules. grin

TanteRose Mon 08-Oct-12 15:15:32

grin @ Nagoo

gussiegrips Tue 09-Oct-12 08:11:22

Nagoo they were all the rage when I was a student, purely for "twinkly decorative" purposes. They came in purtee likkle silk lined boxes and gathered dust.

Oh, how I WISH I'd 1. known what they were for and 2. dedicated myself to having a fanjo of steel at 19 years old.

Pah.

Anyhoo, I've had a couple of PM's mentioning doing a webchat. Is that something you think MNetters would be interested in?

Obviously, I think they SHOULD be interested...but, I wonder whether I'd be left sitting there all lonely and ignored like a set of twinkly chinese balls?

10, 10, 3, gals.

DinosaursOnASpaceship Tue 09-Oct-12 08:26:04

I have a thing - when I need a number 2, I get a lump on the back wall of my vagina, which I have to push with my fingers to get the poo to come out. Normal or not so normal?

I have 3 dc and expecting number 4. Can't do trampolines or sexy time with weeing a little bit BUT I was throwing up sick all day yesterday and didn't wet myself once! <pats self on back>

cocolepew Tue 09-Oct-12 08:46:46

Not normal dinosaur , mention to your dr.

Web chat would be a great idea. I have no shame and work with a bunch of woman, the majority of which, have no shame either. I/we are happy to talk about 'womens problems'. But I know there are women who would die of embarassment. It shouldn't be a taboo subject, it's too common to be swept under the carpet.

TanteRose Tue 09-Oct-12 10:31:49

a webchat is an excellent idea - try to break the taboo even a little...

Nagoo Tue 09-Oct-12 12:27:16

oooh yy webchat smile

we are all staring into the middle distance and counting here grin

gussiegrips Tue 09-Oct-12 13:01:58

dino coco's right - that's not normal and you should see your GP. Fanjo hernia towards the back would cause a symptom like that. Could just be pregnancy related, or might not. You can get a handy wee poking device to push the prolapse back into place as you poo, GP can sort you out with one, the name of which I can't quite recall, I'll post it here once I'm back at the office- trying to reach to wipe can be enough of a challenge in the later stages...I'm on stupid phone thing and read that you were patting yourself on your back for not throwing up during sexytime, was impressed you'd gotten up the duff if you founf your bloke vomit inducing!

DinosaursOnASpaceship Tue 09-Oct-12 13:16:49

Lol actually I do find him vomit inducing now. He's my exp, should've wee'd on him more when I had the chance (in a non sexy way)

I've had the lump thing years, it can be quite convenient at times - constipation? No problem, give the lump and nudge and away we go! But it is annoying during sex as I'm worried that certain angles put pressure on the lump and I could umm have an accident.

Will see the doc after I've had this baby.

TheLaineyWayIsEssex Tue 09-Oct-12 13:17:46

what happens when the victorian torture instrument aka twisty turny forceps have rendered you incapable of isolating your pelvic floor?
I am tempted to get one, though so probably register with and make an appointment with a doctor first

Cadmum Tue 09-Oct-12 13:29:06

gussiegrips or anyone knowledgeable really, Why is it not appropriate to use a toner during pregnancy?

I googled but could not find a good reason.

CaptainHetty Tue 09-Oct-12 13:30:41

I like these threads. They remind me to clench my pelvic floor.

<wonders if there's an App to remind you to do pelvic floor exercises>

Cadmum Tue 09-Oct-12 13:37:00

I am oversharing but hey, it is MN right?

I happened to catch a bit of a Dr Ruth Westheimer program on pelvic floor exercises that my mum was watching on TV when I was about 12. I seem to remember that the primary focus was improving sexual relations (as it would be with Dr Ruth) but when she mentioned incontinence in later years I bolted to the loo and taught myself how to squeeze like there is no tomorrow.

I am eternally grateful for that fateful day because so many of my friends have serious issues in that department.

TheLaineyWayIsEssex Tue 09-Oct-12 14:01:21

I used to have a pelvic floor of steel cadmum but the forceps put paid to that. It does seem to be getting worse (have had a cough for 3 weeks and for the first time ever in my life had a couple of mini incidents) horrid.
we need to be more like the french and offer gynae physio therapy as standard post natally.

eurowitch Tue 09-Oct-12 14:08:45

I have a question. How do you teach yourself to do pelvic floor exercises?

Y'see, until I read about it on MN fairly recently, I had never heard of the hold for 10 or 3 floors thing so find them really difficult. How do you teach yourself to do them? Is it just practice?

I can do the 10 quick flicks easily, as that is what my understanding of pelvic floor exercises was until fairly recently, so I have been doing those for years! But I really struggle with the other two. The three floors I can just about manage if I really think about it. I lose the contraction on the hold for 10 though.

TheLaineyWayIsEssex Tue 09-Oct-12 14:14:58

trying to do pelvic floor exercises these days makes me go a bit funny.
I think I forget to breathe, and I definitely raise my eyebrows blush

GockandJuice Tue 09-Oct-12 14:17:32

It doesn't bother me but I do think some women are a bit uneducated about pelvic floor. On another forum some woman who had no problems with sex, weeing etc but sometimes held in bath water if she'd had a long bath was panicing she had a weak pelvic floor and she must feel terrible to her bf, despite his insistance that it was all fine and these are different things. My five year old cousin gets the "bath water" syndrome when you stand up five mins after a bath and a small bit of bath water comes out, thats just gonna happen sometimes, particuarly if you like to slouch low with your legs akimbo in the bath, some will get in! That is perfectly normal.

However the on trampoline things and laughing is obviously not normal and I do think them machines would help, I'm a bit skeptical though and think it would be just as good not wasting money. You could easily do sets of pelvic floors 3 times a day and another good way (this was from my student nursing days with a gynae doctor) is to stop mid wee, hold as long as possible and then keep going, do that every time you wee and it should help as well as you exercises, very simple and effective and no gadgets!

cocolepew Tue 09-Oct-12 14:23:17

If you are having weeing accidents you can asked to be referred to a physio or continence clinic. I went to the clinic after having DD1, she was big and I needed forceps.
My main problem was weeing all the time. I'd go to the loo and the tap would make me need to go again. The nurse gave me a sheet I had to fill in with times I went to the toilet and how much I wee'd. Yes I pee'd into a plastic jug.
A few weeks later she went over it with me and told me I needed to retrain my bladder, holding on for an extra 5 minutes to start and building it up. It was a great help.

Second time I went I had had a bladder prolapse, I still went to the continence nurse and they measured red my ability to to hold on and how much my bladder vould hold. That's when I had the TVT op, to hold my bladder back up.

My point is, don't be embarrassed, all the nurses I came into contact t with were lovely. And don't be fobbed off by your GP. If you think something doesn't feel right demand a referral to the appropriate person.

cocolepew Tue 09-Oct-12 14:26:20

Lainey, I was doing them in the car earlier and was raising my eyebrows and opening my mouth hmm. I haven't got the hang of breathing at the same time yetblush

cocolepew Tue 09-Oct-12 14:28:14

Eurowitch I presume you have to keep trying on the pully up one, try to lengthen the time gradually. I can't get past the count of 5 yet.

TheLaineyWayIsEssex Tue 09-Oct-12 14:49:35

coco grin

gussiegrips Wed 10-Oct-12 00:08:35

Been out on the ran-dan. Well, at a playgroup meeting (rocknroll, that's me) So, in order:

Lainey - try lying on your back with a pillow under your hips and doing the exercises, a bit of gravity can help you get the feeling. Failing that, stuff a finger in, or whatever you happen to have handy, and squeeze. Failing that, you could try buying a gadget. Failing that, see a physio or continence nurse for biofeedback, which is an electrical device that measures the strength of your contraction in numbers. You can buy them, and you can buy an electrical stimulator which can zap the muscles into action - but, it'll set you back between £100 - £300 and so you may as well see the NHS first incase that's not what you need.

Cadmum - because they aren't researched for use in pregnancy, because trying to get ethics committee approval for anything to do with pregant women is tricky and costly. And, pregnant women are more likely to have thrush so there's a risk of getting a UTI. And, in pregnancy leakage can be a serious thing - so rather than thinking you're just needing to doyerblardyexercises and working away with a pelvic toner they'd rather you saw your GP to make sure you're not actually leaking amniotic fluid.

Captain - yep there are. Not many, and not very good (in my opinion. I have plans, I have awesome plans. But, no iphone, so I don't know what I'm talking about) tena lady's app bladder pal app where's the nearest loo app

Eurowitch - yep, persevere. If you are sure you can isolate teh feeling of the contraction and you practise, practise, practise then you'll strenghten the muscles. The lift thing IS hard, and if you can hold for 5 secs then aim for 6. If you can't manage - see your GP and ask for a referral.

Gok - yep, a bit of water getting in when you have your leg hanging over the side of the bath to shave that awkward bit is ok. But, water dribbling or flooding out of you five minutes after you get out, or leave the swimming pool is not. Especially if you also get peculiar noises emitting from your nethers during sex, or lots of fanny farts when you get out of a chair.

The advice on mid flow of urine stop has changed - they now say to check it once a week max as an assessment rather than as a training tool. There's evidence it can cause back flow of urine into the bladder in some cases - which can cause UTI's. So, by all means do it to see if you can, but then do yourblardyexercises and check if it's any easier to stop peeing after a week.

And, I agree, our level of knowlege of our pelvic floors is rubbish. Who mentioned FrancE? There you get given a voucher for post natal physio as routine. French women reek of glamour, not piss.

Coco - glad your experience was positive. Sounds like you had frequency, which is a problem with a slightly different part of continence. Usually the scenario goes like this: woman has weak pelvic floor and has a bit of an accident. She prevents that from happening again by going to the loo more frequntly. This stops her bladder from being put on full stretch, so it can no longer hold the same amount of urine. The more you go, the more you have to go. So, if you keep a diary of how much you drink and how much you wee you can set targets to increase the lenght of time you can hold on for. Works a treat, is easy peasy, just need to pee in a jug for three days to a week as a start off.

Glad you TVT was a success. Still gottadoyerblardyexercises though...

Lainey and Coco - breathing is generally considered to be a good thing during exercise. Just remember to breathe after each set. Fainting because of doingyerblardyexercises is embarrassing.

Keep practising. You'll get there. Might need botox for the pelvic floor lines on your forehead though...

smornintime Wed 10-Oct-12 12:54:41

Erm...I haven't been able to get away with breast stroke in the pool (front crawl is fine) since having DC1, who just turned 3... Just had DC2. Goodness knows what it'll be like now.
I feel like I am doing everything right - I can hold for 10s or more, I can do squeezes and I can do some semblance of the 3 floors thing. But it doesn't seem to get any better. I can't stop mid flow either unless it was only a little wee.
What else do I need to do?

gussiegrips Wed 10-Oct-12 13:05:29

love your name, smornintime

How often are you doing the exercises? It is possible to have weakness but not incontinence. If you can't stop midflow (weeny wees don't count) then you have some weakness.

I assume you don't have any other symtoms, that your continence is ok? ANd, how old is DC2?

So, do the exercises at LEAST 3x a day, every day, for a month. If there's still no change, then see your GP and ask for a referral.

At least three times a day. No slacking, really, really focus on the three exercises, three times a day. They are boring, they are diffiuclt to tell you are doing them right, but, the majority of people who do them will notice an improvement within a month. Youjustgottadotheblardyexercises.

You can try one of the gadgets available to help the strengthening - your GP can prescribe some of them for you. You still gotta use it though.

10, 10, 3.

ICBINEG Wed 10-Oct-12 13:24:36

Okay, so my question is why do my symptoms get worse when I do the exercises? I am just getting pranked by statistics?

IS it possible for something to be wrong whereby you can feel the tightening easily and do the 10 seconds easily and well everything but it is actually making it worse?

A friend had separated abs and hence excersising made her problems worse...is it possible to have a separated pelvic floor and over tighten?

smornintime Wed 10-Oct-12 14:11:53

Thanks gussie
DC2 is 3 months. Continence is ok (trampolines notwithstanding). I am trying to do the exercises whenever I remember, so feeding baby, brushing teeth, standing at the cooker, that sort of thing. I make a really concerted effort every night when I get into bed.
I have to confess I wasn't as vigilant between babies - when I was at work I didn't think about them so much.
Maybe I need an alarm or something to remind me as well! This thread is a good reminder too, we should always have one on the go smile

smornintime Wed 10-Oct-12 14:19:47

Here's a question: should these muscles ache if you work them? Like if you go running and your legs knack the day after?

gussiegrips Wed 10-Oct-12 17:20:20

ICBENEG - that's an interesting one. What are your symptoms that are worsening by doing the exercises? PM me if you prefer.

It is possible to make things worse by doing the exercises if you have an overly tight pelvic floor. Things like painful sex, difficulty using tampons, vaginismus - all to do with tension in the pf. It's just a muscle like any other - so it's possible to get tears and tension spots the same as you can in your neck.

You can't actually separate the pf though - a traumatic birth can cause a tear which would need stitching, but they wouldn't just separate like the two rectus muscles in your abdomen which can "unzip"

Your pelvic floor works very closely with your core muscles - that's why flappy fanny females often have low back pain too.

Smoringtime - you're still really early postnatal then. Keep at it, repetition is key. I agree, a klaxon going off across the nation every two hours to tell us all to doourblardyexercises would be a splendid solution. I shall email Jeremy Hunt right away, the poor wee lamb could do with a good idea just now.

And, yes, you can tire them out. There is a train of thought that you should keep going until the muscle fatigues - but, realistically, if you manage to do more than three sets a day I'd be really impressed! Relax and breathe between each set will help.

"Not tonight, darling, I've got delayed onset muscle soreness from doing my fanjo-fu?"

eurowitch Wed 10-Oct-12 17:56:15

Thanks gussie. I don't think I need a referral. I've never had a sneeze/cough/trampolining incident. I can stop my wee, etc. In fact, until I heard about the other two exercises I would have said I have a pelvic floor of steel!* The muscles are very, very firm on the quick flicks. And, ahem, after dtd, the "products" stay put until I actually think about it and relax the muscles - there's no leakage. I will just keep trying with the other "new" exercises.

*I'm sure that will change if I ever manage to get pregnant!

<squeeeeeeeeeze>

smornintime Wed 10-Oct-12 22:41:26

grin fanjo-fu!

ICBINEG Thu 11-Oct-12 10:27:32

gussie okay so I can do the exercises no problem...I can feel the contractions, get the drop after 10 secs, do the flicks, do the lift up and down thing...but when I play racket sports I just leak like every time I go for a big shot. As soon as I am putting in max effort I wee.

Also with repetitive sneezing...not the first sneeze but when somethings totally up your nose and you get 5 or 6 in a row.

I hadn't really done a lot of blardyexercises till I started to get with the sports more seriously and discovered the problem. I then went in for some intensive fanjo-fu and things got way worse. I have packed it up and they are better again now. It is obviously totally possible that the two things are unrelated, or I had a random coincidental infection or something...

but yeah...if you can do all the exercises easily then does it imply the problem is elsewhere?

gussiegrips Thu 11-Oct-12 12:41:06

Oooh, I love that ICBINEG - I feel like the Miss Marple of Minge!

The sneezing and big shot raquet sport ishoo is because of the sudden, sharp and significant rise of your intra-abdominal pressure those activities cause. If that pressure exceeds the force your pelvic floor can generate to keep the support on the neck of your bladder, you leak. So, you are right, you've got decent strength in your pelvic floor - but it isn't strong enough to sustain repeated pressure from half a dozen sneezes or a Venus style grunt and lunge.

Continence problems amongst atheletes are surprisingly common. My background's in sports physio, and it's eyebrow raising. All to do with repeated stresses, if you are a gymnast with lots of intra-abdominal pressure, or a runner with lots of repeated thumping - then, in time, it gives.

Doing the exercises shouldn't make it worse. Doing too many, without resting in between or whilst holding your breath can give you pain, but not worse continence.

I wonder whether it could have been linked to your menstrual cycle? The rise and fall of hormones, well, oestrogen, has an effect on our tissues. It's really common for women to be fairly ok for three weeks of the month, and plagued by pee for one.

And, yep, an infection will worsen things. As will pregnancy, being constipated, doing some yoga and pilates moves, bungee jumping, hayfever, smoking, the flu, running, shouting, blowing up balloons, lifting heavy things, vomiting, and cystitis.

So, I think your problem is likely to be that your muscles are strong enough for ordinary, daily activities - but they aren't quite strong enough for the extra challenges your sport presents.

You could try a bit of resistance work - the pelvic toner would do that. As would a ben wa ball - might be tricky to make your shot though if you are distracted by "jiggling"...

ICBINEG Thu 11-Oct-12 13:08:27

thanks for the feedback!

It is interesting you mention grunting...I have noticed a marked increase in escapes in that direction as well as the other....

I wonder if what has really happened here is that baby wrangling has somehow massively increased my abdominal tone (well it was zero before so a big increase isn't particularly unlikely) and now both my lungs and bladder are in a substantially more competitive environment....

also a good point about cystitis. I had kinda assumed the cystitis was being caused by the endless leakage and now it seems obvious it could be the other way around.

Okay I will have another burst on the old exercises and see if I can eliminate the bottom leakage....although maybe that will make the grunting even worse grin

smornintime Sat 13-Oct-12 04:08:42

Bump!?
I'm still trying over here - how is everyone else doing?

gussiegrips Sat 13-Oct-12 10:38:26

Hi smornitime!

I'm a bit reluctant to bump for fear of seeming obsessive.

Which, I am. Compeletly. Am busy rounding up prizes for a fundraiser I'm doing in November for Leukaemia Research - it's actually a thinly veiled attmept at market research to see whether it's worth pouring some money into gusset grippers...anyhoo, am delightedly putting together a hamper for a silent auction - "a box for yer box" I've got a shewee, a mooncup, a pelvic toner, an incostress, a remarkable pair of knickers with a wee silicone nobble in the gusset which can't be awfully comfy but apparently is quite naice, and am away to Ann Summers to beg some goodies from there. A box for your box. It amuses me.

10, 10, 3.

flow4 Sat 13-Oct-12 11:03:35

It amuses me tbh... I've got a bit of a dirty mind, and I can't help thinking it's a great 'respectable excuse' for a vibrator grin

gussiegrips Sat 13-Oct-12 17:32:16

Well, flow...

...you know these vibration plate thingies in gyms? THere's some evidence they enhance strengthening. And, there's some new papers published showing the enhanced strenghtening effect was present in elderly people who did their balance exercises on a vibrating plate...

...so, if there's tenuous evidence suggesting that vibration plates strengthen all muscles in all age groups...is it such a leap to assume that a bit of vibration would help the pelvic floor?

Wouldn't much fancy getting a proposal for an MSc through the ethics committee on that...but, frankly, if it improves compliance with doingtheblardyexercises and gets women laughing and talking about their pelivc floors and mibbe motivates them to get on with doing something about their leakage - who cares how we do that?

flow4 Sat 13-Oct-12 21:13:40

Yes indeedy! grin
Laughter itself is apparently very good for the pelvic floor grin

SoleSource Sat 13-Oct-12 22:14:38

I have not seen this advert yet. Where is it?

gussiegrips Sat 13-Oct-12 22:52:57

It pops up on the right hand side every now and then. Pops up rather a lot on mine, but then, I do go on and on about it on MN...

www.pelvictoner.co.uk (not an employee or anything. I do think the pelvic toner will help lots of women - they've got some great research backing them up. But, you've got to remember that just buying a gadget won't fix your problem. You've got to actually use it, and do yerblardyexercises. It's a muscle trainer, not a magic wand)

which is a shame <imagines waving a wand and intently saying tightenupus to MNrs all over the world>

TanteRose Mon 15-Oct-12 13:37:38

Bump

<10,10,3> <clenchhhhhh>

gussiegrips Mon 15-Oct-12 15:37:05

Good girl. Have a shiney.

Been reading up about beavers. Who's powerful muscles demolish wood. Am so amused, it's actaully pathetic.

KellyElly Mon 15-Oct-12 16:07:14

Haven't read the whole thread but I have something to ask those 'in the know' about these things - been too embarrassed to ask friends in RL. I never wee myself but I have an issue now (post childbirth) that when I have a bath about 20 mins afterwards water comes out. Does this mean I have weak pelvic muscles?

gussiegrips Mon 15-Oct-12 16:13:25

Depends on what you are doing in the bath...if you're lying with your leg over the side shaving your legs, I woudn't worry about it.

If not, then, yep, water shouldn't be able to seep into your vagina unless you do something active to get it in there, or you are surfing in the sea and get wooshed by a big wave (no joke, there have been some serious injuries. Wear a wet suit, women!) Don't worry, it's not uncommon - so there's no need to be embarrassed. 1:3 of your friends will have similar ishoos.

How long is it since you gave birth? Doingyerblardyexercises will only help, have a look at the links upthread and feel free to PM etc. x

KellyElly Mon 15-Oct-12 16:20:18

It's just lying normally in the bath, although I do put my legs up on the side to shave but not hanging over. Had DD nearly three years ago. Don't have many baths but seems to happen every time I do now. I don't do any exercises as everything feels fairly tight with sex etc but obviously not sad I shall check out the links. Thanks. Out of interest do the pelvic toners work. Quite like the idea of just doing that each night rather than sitting at work and on the bus clenching grin.

KellyElly Mon 15-Oct-12 16:22:38
gussiegrips Mon 15-Oct-12 17:48:50

Nope,

this

your one's an electrical stimulator. Will also do the trick, but you've got to watch incase you've got a prolapse or some other problems as plugging yourself in and zapping your bits might not be helpful in all cases.

There's a discount code on MN - and, actually, if you put gussetgrippers in as a code he'll give you £5 off too. Yeah!

Have look at the links. And, doyerblardyexercises. With a gadget, on the bus, at work, in a queue...just do them!

ToothbrushThief Mon 15-Oct-12 20:19:37

I don't feel like I have any issues (3DC, one horrendous delivery) but equally am sure age and childbirth have reduced tone. So I domyblardyexercises... I notice that I often do buttock clenching at the same time. If I only do vaginal lifts I get a smaller lift. Is this normal, wrong etc

Anticipating a possibly hysterectomy soon... am guessing exercises as useful before during and after (well perhaps not during..)

BeyondLimitsOfTheLivingDead Mon 15-Oct-12 21:03:21

I've just been put on the waiting list to see a consultant at the hospital re my rectocele to get it fixed. I am 26. So see the GP if you have any problems!!

BeyondLimitsOfTheLivingDead Mon 15-Oct-12 21:07:18

Oh, I was wondering and meant to ask my GP, but I wonder if you know Gussy...
I had an inguinal hernia as a child which was fixed when I was about 4. After the birth of DS1 (quick labour and ventouse), I was diagnosed with a rectocele (by the time I was diagnosed I was pregnant again, hence waiting til now to get on that waiting list!). Do you think the two are related? Should I warn my sister, who also had an inguinal hernia? grin

gussiegrips Tue 16-Oct-12 00:54:18

toothbrush buttock muscles are all about the Kim Kardashian or J Lo. Yep, the movement is small - imagine a "lift" off the gusset of your knickers.

Remember, these are muscles sitting like a trampoline taut inside your pelvis. There's not a whole lot to see, that's kind of why it "makes sense" to your brain to go about clenching buttocks, splinting tummies and holding breaths. Nope. Imagine you are bursting for a pee, or trying not to do a fart. That's the feeling. Anything else is showbiz.

And, yes. have a chat with your surgeon about pelvic floors post hysterectomy. During would land up on youtube. Try not to...

Beyond Yep, pelvic organ prolapse is associated with core muscle weakness and all that sort of thing. It runs in families - if your great granny's fanny fell out then you have an increased risk. It's to do with the quality of the ligaments supporting the pelvic organs from above - think of them as spider's webs glued onto the gubbings round your ribs-ish. If your pelvic ligaments are naturally a bit stretchy, or if you have oor core support then it increases your risk. Doesn't mean it's inevitable. But, tell your sister to doherblardyexercisestoo x

GotMyGoat Thu 20-Dec-12 08:23:20

Oh help! Help! I try to do my exercises on the train to work everyday, bum muscles i can do, but i really struggle to get a contraction for the other two, feels like i'm not achieving anything. I don't wee myself (yet) but last time i used a tampon it fell down, and turned upside down inside me, despite it being a super plus size blush sex is always boring unless i turn around so am aware i'm not the mightighty i was pre-baby. Said baby is nearly 18 months...

What would be best for me? Thanks!

thebody Thu 20-Dec-12 08:33:45

Well after 4 kids I do need a wee before getting on a trampoline.

I also couldn't give a rats ass about my pelvic floor.

I am not pissing myself in a regular basis so that's fine by me.

Rather have my 4 kids healthy and happy as opposed to a tight neat fandango.

Life is too short to clench and anyway we all going to die on the 21st according to some posters!!!!

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