to not feed my cat "Go Cat complete neutered cats" food!

(66 Posts)
Milliways Thu 28-Jun-12 22:17:27

This stuff!

I mean - since when did losing your bits mean a special diet for life??

and PMSL at "complete neutered cats"! grin

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Euphemia Thu 28-Jun-12 22:26:33

They think we're utter cunts, don't they? shock

Netmumsrule Thu 28-Jun-12 22:27:51

They need lower protein levels after being neutered.

Trioofprinces Thu 28-Jun-12 22:29:14

What am I meant to feed my old neutered cats then? Is there a senior neutered cat who is mostly indoors version???

Bestb411pm Thu 28-Jun-12 22:29:19

Some male cats are prone to bladder crystals especially after neutering so special food can help minimise that although I have to admit that doesn't seem to be what they're offering confused

ratspeaker Thu 28-Jun-12 22:30:16

I guess they reckon neutered cats need different nutrition
How this would include the moths, beetles and worms ours devours i dont know.

I'd never feed a cat an exclusive dried diet, I've been advised this isn't good for their kidneys especially neutered males,
unless THATS what Go Cat are aiming at

LST Thu 28-Jun-12 22:31:18

Dry food only is terrible for male cats bladders. Especially brands like go cat and whiskers.

Speaking from bitter experience. envy

Netmumsrule Thu 28-Jun-12 22:41:39

It is always to get a food with fewer derivatives. I recommend Royal Cainin indoor and Bozita indoor, neutered.

That is if your cats are indoor!

NotInMyDay Thu 28-Jun-12 22:43:42

I'm in awe of the punctuation cat!!

I presume it is a neutered punctuation cat
grin

Trioofprinces Thu 28-Jun-12 22:43:53

My cats will only eat go-cat!! I have tried other brands and they won't touch it for days. They are 11 now, one male, one female both neutered.

Milliways Thu 28-Jun-12 22:45:14

My cat lives very happily on Squirrels, pigeons, mice etc to supplement his Felix with side dish of biscuits (which lasts a few days between top-ups).

At 11 years old the vets are always impressed by him, and put it down to him being a "proper" cat (hunter!) and bever questioned his diet.

TrioofPrinces - grin

Milliways Thu 28-Jun-12 22:46:01

Notinmyday - Thanks! Of course it is smile

I am envyof the punctuation cat

I may have 'squeeeed' at it!

Milliways Thu 28-Jun-12 22:48:41

<<confesses she "stole" the Punctuation cat from another MNer and added it to her collection of saved puntuation pictures>> blush

I stole it and posted in on FB!

Trioofprinces Thu 28-Jun-12 23:04:04

I forget -in addition to go cat they will eat voles on a regular basis, not sure which one it is, I suspect the male as the female is too fat and lazy isn't a hunter.

saladcravings Thu 28-Jun-12 23:14:29

Ooh, I feed my cat only dry food - iams. Is that not good for her then?

saladcravings Thu 28-Jun-12 23:17:19

My mums cat was fed only tinned whiskas and died young of kidney trouble, and the vet recommended mum switch to iams for the future - which is why I use it. But I have not really looked into it...

Kladdkaka Thu 28-Jun-12 23:37:46

My cat loves mashed potatoes, quavers and carrots. He's very strange.

HazleNutt Fri 29-Jun-12 09:05:31

only dry food is not that great for cats, as they don't often drink enough and the concentrated urine can cause kidney problems. And many supermarket brands are horrible, full of cereals, colours and additives - cats are carnovires, they don't need wheat.

limitedperiodonly Fri 29-Jun-12 09:09:15

Dry food only is terrible for male cats bladders. Especially brands like go cat and whiskers.

LRT learned that after my cat died of bladder cancer at eight. Go Cats were a treat but he was addicted to them. We thought it was funny to see him sneak into the kitchen and steal the box sad

His brother who didn't like them lived until 15.

Paiviaso Fri 29-Jun-12 09:54:43

It's all marketing bollocks. You don't need to be feeding ANY of these low-quality packaged foods to your cat. Cats are carnivores, and should be eating meat. Can I suggest you have a read through this: http://www.catinfo.org/

I feed my cats raw chicken + lamb bits now, its really easy to do when you get into the swing of it. If you are uncomfortable feeding raw then a high-quality canned is the best option, however this will be more expensive.

Paiviaso Fri 29-Jun-12 09:56:30

www.catinfo.org/

Sorry there's the link. Super informative!

wheredidyoulastseeit Fri 29-Jun-12 10:23:58

Paiviaso could you give me some examples of high quality cat food, my cat has had bladder problems and it has been a night mare to get him to eat the vet recommended food plus the high cost involved.

Paiviaso Fri 29-Jun-12 11:02:09

Wheredidyoulastseeit, I think foods like Thrive sound very good. There are also products like Grau and Applaws which look ok.

I haven't fed these myself, as I've been making my own, but basically what you are looking for a food that is "complete" (should say on the tin), that has the highest meat content possible, and is grain-free.

Paiviaso Fri 29-Jun-12 11:08:49

Hmm looking closer I suspect Grau and Applaws aren't complete cat foods, so be careful if you feed these, as your cat will still need other sources of nutrients. Read labels carefully before purchase smile

hipposaurus Fri 29-Jun-12 11:10:16

I use hills science diet as apparently a lot of supermarket brands are pumped full of sugar, such as whiskas and go cat. It gets the cats addicted, according to my vet friend. Unethical pet food companies...but apparently the hills science diet is good smile

kitsonkittykat Fri 29-Jun-12 11:45:53

YABU Neutered cats metabolism changes after they have been done, so they put on weight a lot more easily - they basically get fat on the same diet as they had when they were producing testosterone. They need a low cal food to maintain a healthy weight.

We feed royal canin instinctive wet food to our boy, as Im not brave enough to feed raw. He get a sprinkle of their kibble too. He simply will not eat anything else. Unless its a nice prawn or a bit of boiled chicken, that is!

shockers Fri 29-Jun-12 11:58:54

This is interesting as a vet once told us not to give our male cat wet food as it would rot his teeth. He has James Wellbeloved dry food, but I've noticed that he drinks a lot of water, as do our two dogs who are on the same brand.

HazleNutt Fri 29-Jun-12 12:10:54

the trouble with cat food is that neither is perceft - cats need to get most of their water from food, but they also need something hard to keep theri teeth healthy. If they eat a natural diet of mice and birds, they get both, but only soft cat food is indeed too soft and only dry one too dry.

Paiviaso Fri 29-Jun-12 12:45:16

shockers that is a benefit of feeding raw over wet. The bones are in, and the cats love giving them a good crunch. You don't get this with wet, or even dry (my cats eat dry food biscuits whole, they don't chew at all!).

shockers Fri 29-Jun-12 12:57:36

Shockerpuss doesn't eat the mice and voles he catches, he just eyes them disappointedly when they stop 'playing' sad.

What kinda of raw meats do you use?

shockers Fri 29-Jun-12 12:57:46

*kind

shockers Fri 29-Jun-12 12:59:36

Sorry... just checked, raw chicken and lamb. The chicken bones are safe then? I know you're not supposed to give them to dogs.

ellenjames Fri 29-Jun-12 13:07:16

my 2 cats eat dry go cat only as wet food gives them the shits! Will look at that link though x

Paiviaso Fri 29-Jun-12 13:36:27

Yes the raw chicken bones are ok, they will happily chew these up and eat them, though you are not meant to give cooked bones as apparently the bones splinter too easily.

I buy a chicken, and then some chicken or lamb hearts/livers/kidneys and use a serrated knife to cut it all up into chunks. I add some eggs and sometimes sardines. And voila! A week's worth of extremely high quality cat food, that is cheaper than tinned.

For those of you that are really interested, a forum I frequent has a good post devoted to those interested in going raw: www.bengalcatforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15913. There is a recipe at the bottom as well.

ellenjames Fri 29-Jun-12 13:38:42

so if i get canned food which is the best?

TeWiDoesTheHulaInHawaii Fri 29-Jun-12 13:41:21

I use neutered dry cat food (iams) because the cat is extremely fat otherwise.

He does hunt and eat birds as well, so maybe raw is an option to consider, he's never eaten cooked meat though - do you find raw food okay cost wise Paiviaso?

Paiviaso Fri 29-Jun-12 14:02:42

TeWi cost-wise its not bad at all, considering the quality of food you are getting. If you make the raw yourself, you can influence how much it costs, by for example seeing what the butcher will throw your way. I think I spend about £8 every 5-6 days for two active cats, and I buy organic, free range chicken (I worry about chicken welfare). But eggs are free for me because I have garden chickens smile

Ellenjames the best canned one I've seen while browsing today was the Thrive, which they seem to sell on Zooplus Its 100% meat and has vitamins added to make it a complete food.

saladcravings Fri 29-Jun-12 22:01:21

Gosh, I need to rethink my cat's diet then! Will check out the best canned food availbale in the petstore tomorrow and see what she thinks. I will try her on half-and-hald for now, don't want to giver her an upset tummy.

LucieMay Sat 30-Jun-12 00:04:59

I feed my cat the cheapest dry food from tesco, always have fed her the cheapest dry food. She's an extremely active 13 year old outdoor who still regularly brings me back "gifts" of dismembered birds/mice etc. Can't be doing her much harm.

forevergreek Sat 30-Jun-12 10:37:51

Hmm I worked for a vet for 3 years. They said iams was terrible, but otherwise the best choice was just dry food.

If you give wet food you should just give wet and not dry mix as it can play havoc to their stomach.

Best choice was just dry though with plenty of water avaliable

saladcravings Sat 30-Jun-12 14:53:59

Why dry food forever - was it the teeth thing? I'm so confused! I just gave her some wet food - highest meat content I could find - and she was very impressed. Don't know what to do now!

Paiviaso Sat 30-Jun-12 19:44:58

Forevergreek what was this vet's justification for dry food being better? I keep reading that unfortunately vets are not trained in nutrition, but I do not have a vet friend to ask about this.

I do think its very interesting that people keep carnivorous animals as pets, yet do not feed them meat. I would say this is a testament to the pet food industry's advertising, convincing everyone that is fine to feed a 100% carnivorous animal dried plant balls with a tiny bit of poor quality meat added in.

GnomeDePlume Sat 30-Jun-12 20:07:46

Paiviaso - "It's all marketing bollocks."

Sorry, I laughed out loud at that - is that what goes into the food? Ground up marketeers' bollocks, to make up for the ones removed!

bitofcheese Sat 30-Jun-12 20:24:15

my cat's a pig, she will eat pretty much anything although i only give her cat food but she tries to take off the plates all the time, i thought only dogs did that. takes bloody ages buying the cat something different food wise - kitten/adult/neutered blah blah bloody blah. years ago i am pretty sure there were just tins. and then the instructions on the back as to the amount you give them, blimey, according to the one my cat eats she would disappear at the amount they suggest. i find it all most confusing and as when i gave birth/was breast feeding, constantly get mixed opinions as to what i should be doing. btw milli - you drawing is a stroke of genius.

giveitago Sat 30-Jun-12 20:33:51

agree op - my cat lived for almost 23 years on a diet of mainly dried food that was available back then (we talking gocat dried food with a bit of soft food and meat scraps from kitchen table - she died in about 2002 and I got her in about 1979 or 1980. We never had pet insurance back then and she must have gone to the vet about 4 times in her life.

There's so much money to be made these days and it puts me off getting a cat for ds although I've very much like to.

forevergreek Sat 30-Jun-12 23:13:27

I don't really know what brand it was.
Mainly veterinary special food according to what they were staying in for ( usually easy on digestion as mostly post operative)

But those who were in for some other reason I think just had whiskers.

I know the vet food wasnt available elsewhere and therefore quiet expensive. The dry food aspect was Definatley teeth wise especially for those mainly housebound animals. If they go out lots and eat birds. Chew on trees etc.. Then it's not such a problem

saladcravings Sun 01-Jul-12 08:53:58

I've never seen a cat chew on a tree! smile
It's great that there are some people's pets on here who have lived long healthy lives on all sorts of diets, but with nutrition (and other sciences) you have to consider statistics, not individual cases. There will always be a few exceptions to any rule, but the question is what food will make your cat more likely to live a healthly life. And I still feel like I'm in the dark!

forevergreek Sun 01-Jul-12 10:05:01

In that case Iv no idea!

My cats personally ate whatever dry food was on offer! and then ordinary food like cooked chicken/ leftovers from humans ( including veggies)

My parents fed the cats this all the time as far as I remember. They had 7 cats over 30 years. 4 still alive, out of the other 3 they died between 18-23 years ( youngest was attacked by a dog!)

Iv no idea what this proves/ disproves

nanniegregs Mon 26-Nov-12 16:12:19

my cat won't drink fresh water only from outside. can anyone tell me why ?

Lovethesea Mon 26-Nov-12 16:20:08

some like it to be moving water

gordyslovesheep Mon 26-Nov-12 16:20:08

it tastes better?

Mine have Science Plan 7+ complete - as advised by our vet - they are well and healthy

Lovethesea Mon 26-Nov-12 16:21:59

Mine eats a mix of wet and dry food, though he prefers the wet.

Also eats his own selection of small birds, pigeons, mice, shrew, frogs, and who knows what else.

Watching him eat something bones, skin and all and leave only an entrail is an education, though one we are encouraging him to pursue outside ....

gordyslovesheep Mon 26-Nov-12 16:22:37

opps no it's Purina Pro Plan not science plan!

Adversecamber Mon 26-Nov-12 16:36:09

We have a new cat and we are feeding her dry and wet food and some small meat scraps. I hadn't thought about giving her raw meat but I suppose that makes sense as cats can't cook!

I was giving her water only but turns out DH has let her lick a little left over milk out of his breakfast bowl most days hmm. My Mum would not give milk to her cats because of the lactose intolerance thing, DH childhood companion Polly the cat was given milk every day. Any opinions on giving her milk welcome, she apparently loves it.

My cat is on Iams.
Any other food gives her a runny bum...ew.
I wish she would eat more meaty things.

However, she skilfully suplements her diet with moths. She also never drinks from her bowl but prefers to drink the rancid rain water collected in the trike outside confused

portraitoftheartist Mon 26-Nov-12 20:13:44

You can spend more on feeding your cat than many people spend on their kids. Most cats live a long healthy life on supermarket food and kids apparently thrive on junk, so stop worrying.
I'm waiting for special food for 3 year olds with red hair or for tall teenagers or short middleaged women with varicose veins. How many of us eat an ideal diet? Cats, dogs and kids all manage well on less than ideal.

Bunnygotwhacked Mon 26-Nov-12 20:30:13

our cat is on royal canine sterilised appetite control as he has a tendency to be a bit of a fatty. He is now drinking from his bowl since he has been on this only the last month or so he occasionaly has some cold chicken or a tin of tuna or one of those gourmet wet pouches he seems healthy enough and his fur is soft and shiny he is 4 i think

Mine is on Hill's Science Plan Senior. She was on Senior Light when she was in the Blue Cross before we got her as she eats her feelings and got little to no exercise while in the rescue centre, but we had to put her on the higher calorie stuff as she lost all her chub running about outside after coming to us! Not that she does a lot of running now, being 15, but she seems very happy on Hill's.

maureenann123 Sun 16-Dec-12 06:48:30

My cat is 11yrs and will only eat Go Cat,I fool him now and again by mixing a small amount of cheaper (shops own brand) but it's too much hassle so I stick to Go Cat.Don't know if I'm doing wrong but he has tinned felix the only brand he'll eat (small amount) and Go Cat(small amount)on a daily basis

uggmum Sun 16-Dec-12 07:14:57

My cat (Rupert) is 19. He eats 3 sachets of wet food per day. He is fussy. He will not eat the same brand of cat food for more than a week. I buy 3 different brands each week and rotate them for each meal.

If I don't do this he goes on hunger strike. He refuses to eat anything. He will stroll over to the bowl, smell it and stalk off.

He hates dried food. He is a big cat and looks half his age.

TrazzleMISTLEtoes Sun 16-Dec-12 07:17:43

Adverse no, please don't give your cat cow's milk.

QODRestYeMerryGentlemen Sun 16-Dec-12 07:25:18

Explain trazzle? Please grin and thank you

TrazzleMISTLEtoes Sun 16-Dec-12 08:08:08

I was under the impression that some cats can be lactose intolerant and it can cause upset stomachs and diarrhoea. Even if this isn't a problem for adverse 's cat now, I was told it can cause problems later in life and, since they don't need cow's milk, it is better to just avoid it completely.

No doubt someone will come along and tell me exactly how wrong I am in approximately 40 seconds...

WelshMaenad Sun 16-Dec-12 10:03:30

You are completely right trazzle!

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