to ask why the f**k tube staff want more for working during the Olympics

(79 Posts)
DreamingofSummer Tue 28-Feb-12 11:41:14

What difference does it make? To me they are simply seeking a ransom payment

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/28/tube-workers-dispute-olympic-pay

catgirl1976 Tue 28-Feb-12 11:42:57

Well they will be a lot busier and more people = more responsibility

But I suppose it isnt very public spirited

lesley33 Tue 28-Feb-12 11:43:39

I suppose if they are able to get it though thats fair enough. Powers of the union and all that.

mummymeister Tue 28-Feb-12 11:44:55

they are doing it because they can - simple as. There will be lots of extra work for lots of people but the tube can only take a finite amount of business. imo it is part of the job. dont recall this being the case when Euro 98 football tournament was on.

DreamingofSummer Tue 28-Feb-12 11:45:17

Experience from other Olympic cities is that they are less busy during the games as the local move out. Anyway how much more busy than a normal rush hour will 6,000 people going to beach volleyball be?

Blacksquirrel Tue 28-Feb-12 11:47:09

It could be seen as a bonus payment for not being allowed to take any annual leave.

ifancyashandy Tue 28-Feb-12 11:48:56

They are anticipating queues of over three hours to get into certain stations. I wouldn't want to be managing that volume of frustrated people...

LeQueen Tue 28-Feb-12 11:49:27

Is it somehow harder to drive a train with 750 people on it, as opposed to 500? Are the drivers being asked to get out and push... hmm

StrandedBear Tue 28-Feb-12 11:49:51

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

takingbackmonday Tue 28-Feb-12 11:51:59

I would LOVE more than anything to hit Bob Crow with a large, decaying salmon.

Greedy f*ckers.

toddlerama Tue 28-Feb-12 11:53:12

They do it because they can. With so many unemployed it beggars belief that they still can...

RealLifeIsForWimps Tue 28-Feb-12 11:53:43

because they are a bunch of overpaid work shy cunts

LeQueen Tue 28-Feb-12 11:55:10

Real you know, I was kinda struggling to craft an elegant phrase that encapsulated the quintessential ethos behind the tube workers demands...but, you have summed it up perfectly smile

LeQueen Tue 28-Feb-12 11:56:50

One of the best Have I Got News For You I ever saw, was when Bob Crow went on...and he (very) foolishly thought he could verbally spar with Ian Hislop...big mistake, huge...

shreddedmum Tue 28-Feb-12 11:57:13

no annual leave allowed

perhaps changes to shift times and duties..

happyhorse Tue 28-Feb-12 11:57:15

A lot of people working around the Olympic venues will be busier than usual.

It seems to me that Tube staff ask for more or threaten to walk out at any opportunity that presents itself, so of course they're not going to let a major event like this pass by.

I'll be very surprised if there aren't last minute talks to avert strikes just before the Olympics starts, regardless of whether or not they get a bonus.

BarbarianMum Tue 28-Feb-12 12:04:27

<<because they are a bunch of overpaid work shy cunts>>

....because they are a bunch of greedy, entitled, work shy c.....

I don't think the arguments about time off and changes to shifts hold actually - it is a one off event ffs. In most businesses you are expected to put up with these. Of course, I've only worked in the third sector.

takingbackmonday Tue 28-Feb-12 12:05:47

After commuting in London for years I truly despise the RMT. Can't we just say no then sack the ones who strike and take on some of the countless unemployed who I imagine would very much appreciate around £46k per year to drive a fecking tube.

RealLifeIsForWimps Tue 28-Feb-12 12:06:04

LeQ I've given up beating around the bush for Lent grin

RealLifeIsForWimps Tue 28-Feb-12 12:06:28

....or beating about even

LeQueen Tue 28-Feb-12 12:07:38

I remember watching Blue Peter, and seeing how drivers drove the tube trains...there was one lever and 2 buttons...how feckin hard can it be?

If they strike, I reckon the DDs could manage it without breaking a sweat... they'd happily do a day's shift for some chocolate buttons and a copy of Sparkle magazine...

Where can I sign them up?

LeQueen Tue 28-Feb-12 12:08:01

Real you're doing admirably smile

NomNomNom Tue 28-Feb-12 12:10:51

Not sure what my opinion is regarding the tube workers, but can I just say - how refreshing to have a link in the OP which isn't the Daily Fail!! grin

sherbetpips Tue 28-Feb-12 12:12:02

I guess I would prefer them to employ more temporary workers at this time rather than just pay the current ones more for a job they are doing anyway?

But if my boss turned round and said that due to a large project we were taking on that was going to earn the company (insert country here) lots of money we would all be expected to work extra hours, cope with twice the workload in the office and have no holidays I would kind of expect some sort of bonus being that there is a monetary outcome to all of this (hopefully if the UK doesnt screw up the budget)

valiumredhead Tue 28-Feb-12 12:12:42

What stranded and black said.

chopchopbusybusy Tue 28-Feb-12 12:13:14

MNHQ, if you ever need an official spokesperson, may I be the first to nominate real. I think she'd be perfect.

maxpower Tue 28-Feb-12 12:14:51

well said Real

My DH is a paramedic covering areas where olympic events are going on. funnily enough he isn't allowed any a/l during that time, will be working (very) unsociable hours and may literally have people's lives in his hands. But there's no fear of him getting any bonus.....

If the tube staff are being expected to do overtime during the olympics they should be paid for that but imo they shouldn't get a bonus for basically turning up and doing their jobs.

valiumredhead Tue 28-Feb-12 12:15:51

max is your dh allowed to take annual leave?

lesley33 Tue 28-Feb-12 12:16:12

Tube drivers are already overpaid though because they have strong unions and high rates of unionisation and people care about the impact if they strike. tbh I wish it was like that in my job.

toddlerama Tue 28-Feb-12 12:17:20

Why aren't tube trains automated? You could totally control them all from a central computer...

LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 28-Feb-12 12:21:13

They're doing it because they can, as others have said. Other people are also going to be massively busy during the Olympics (what about
shop/hotel/restaurant/catering staff for starters?) but these industries are not heavily unionised. One could argue that in that case these industries should organise and unionise themselves. Or one could argue that everyone will be working fecking hard during the Olympics and tube staff should just deal with it like the rest of us.

slug Tue 28-Feb-12 12:21:22

See, the station staff I have a bit of sympathy for. Not that London isn't normally seething with forriners mind, all wanting directions in a multiple of languages, but they are the ones who will be front line. The drivers though... Press button go...Press button stop... Shout "Mind the doors"

Worth every bit of £45k. All that responsibility. All those unsociable hours. I mean, the tube starts at 5:30am. shock

Poor overworked things.

citybranch Tue 28-Feb-12 12:37:47

Its mainly because the working hours have changed. Trains will now be stabled at 2.30 instead of 1.30 am, may not sound a big difference to you but their children won't be waking up an hour later will they? Its going to be extremely intense, overcrowding, angry commuters, passenger alarms pulled all over.
All woth longer, later working and a 30 min meal break. The bonus amounts spoken about are hardly big money! Considering that it is to cover the Olympics and Paralympics.

I would love to have one of you come and do 48 hours with me to see if you really do consider me a 'work-shy bastard'. I do permanent late shifts (1.30 am finish) I live a 90 minute commute each way from my depot as their are no vacancies at my local depot. This commute means I just can't hack the early turns. I jut can't stay awake all by myself! So instead I do late shifts and I can cope much better this way, but don't see my son after school very much at all. I also have to wake at 7.30 after getting in in the early hours, as I have to take my son to school. Then I 'm with the 2 year old until DH comes in from his P/T job. Mon and Fri we pay for nursery so I can go back to bed, otherwise I wouldnt be able to cope.

Whilst at work, I must stay alert for up to 4 hours 15 mins at a time with a 30 minute break. No toilet breaks unless you ask. It is very easy to drive a train but very monotonous and one must be alert at all times. Quite regularly there will be a defect on the train/some sort of shut down on the line which requires you to use your knowledge of rules and procedures or defect handling. There are thousands of people on your train and it is your responsibility, you are in charge! Last thursday I nearly hit a drunk teenager who was sitting with his legs over the edge of the platform. Luckily, i managed to stop, despite being exhausted that night as had worked 8 days in a row.

That said, I feel so lucky to have my job..i feel like a lottery winner to be honest. I'm not in the RMT (i'm in Aslef) and our union has agreed the £500 is a fair bonus for altering the working hours. I'm dreading it though as i will get even less sleep. I wouldn't be in the RMT because I don't agree with all the striking over every last thing.

But i'm really not work shy.

limitedperiodonly Tue 28-Feb-12 12:38:05

They are in a good bargaining position because of the Olympics and Boris Johnson's mayoral ambitions. We are being told the Olympics will bring a lot of money to London. Do you really expect them not to try for a share of that? Why?

imo they shouldn't get a bonus for basically turning up and doing their jobs.

That's what people are saying about bankers maxpower.

It's a reasonable POV but not one I share.

I don't have a problem with the principle of people in certain industries being awarded bonuses. They are very rarely 'earned' but are simply a working practice. Taking them away doesn't make my bank balance any better.

citybranch Tue 28-Feb-12 12:43:14

Not at all out for a bunfight by the way, i can see why people hate Bob Crow (i do too!)

Seriously if anyone here lives in London and would like a cab day with me to see what it is like from the other side, then just let me know! It can be arranged. You've got to stay until 1.30 am though! wink

MaMattoo Tue 28-Feb-12 12:46:59

Would this mean that they will
Be happy to be paid less over Christmas and snow season?
It's nonsense, more people makes no difference...this is a silly bargaining tactic.

AbsofCroissant Tue 28-Feb-12 12:51:51

Bob Crow - ARGH.

I agree with the other posters - lots of emergency services staff are not allowed to take leave over the fucking Olympics, and will have to take on tons of extra work. They're not getting a bonus for turning up.

valiumredhead Tue 28-Feb-12 12:53:55

city well put!

lesley33 Tue 28-Feb-12 12:54:09

citybranch - tbh I don't think anything you talk about justifies the wages you receive. But I strongly believe in unions and I think if unions have been able to push for what really does look seem a high wage for the job, then good luck to you.

blackoutthesun Tue 28-Feb-12 13:04:44

i say far play to the unions

LeQueen Tue 28-Feb-12 13:06:21

"Whilst at work, I must stay alert for up to 4 hours 15 mins at a time with a 30 minute break."

Alert...for a whole 4 hours and 15 minutes...cor hmm

I guess sitting down and pushing that lever and pressing that button is pretty mentally taxing, yes hmm

niceguy2 Tue 28-Feb-12 13:07:40

Citybranch, it's nice to hear the other side but at the same time you could easily put this into context of the paramedic earlier in the post who isn't getting paid anything extra.

Nor the nurses, firemen and police who aren't getting anymore. All of whom also work unsociable hours and may at anytime literally have people's lives in their hands. None of them even get anywhere near the £46k mentioned above.

Most people, myself included just see the fact that there's an offer on the table. It isn't chump change yet it's deemed not enough. It strikes us as very mean spirited to hold the Olympics to ransom when thousands of people are voluntarily giving away their time to make the UK look the best we can when the world's eyes are upon us.

It's stuff like this which makes people resent unions even more.

citybranch Tue 28-Feb-12 13:09:54

Lesley33 - I tried to give a snapshot into my day but this was to counter the 'work shy cunt' accusation. I wasn't talking about wages.

I did go on to say that I felt that by getting this job I'd won the lottery so surely that indicates that I appreciate just how well I am paid. I got pregnant unexpectedly at 22 so I decided to go for the best paying job I could get and was a tube driver by 24. I'm now 28 years old and the wage has enabled us to buy a 2 bed house. The mortgage is over £1300 so that wouldn't be easy to afford if I didn't have this job. I've also been able to have a second child. I'm really lucky as a lot of my friends can't see how they will ever start a family with housing and childcare costs so high. I feel lucky every day! The flip side is of course, now I'm trapped. Can never get another job that pays anywhere near this salary so I will do this for the rest of my life!! (daunting thought...8 hours a day in a tunnel until my mid sixties! Best not to think about that too much...)

messymammy Tue 28-Feb-12 13:12:46

Dp isn't allowed to take annual leave at certain times of the year but because he is a garda (Irish policeman) and not allowed to strike, I doubt the request for a bonus would do much.
Can't see how this is justified at all!

limitedperiodonly Tue 28-Feb-12 13:14:13

citybranch thanks for the explanation.

I don't hate Bob Crow. He does his job, which is to represent his members and get the best deal for them.

I don't agree with all his politics but I find him a good debater - consistent and intelligent.

I saw him in a recent paper review on Sky News and was impressed that he and someone who'd ordinarily be his polar opposite found a lot of common ground about general principles.

blackoutthesun Tue 28-Feb-12 13:14:40

''Nor the nurses, firemen and police who aren't getting anymore. All of whom also work unsociable hours and may at anytime literally have people's lives in their hands. None of them even get anywhere near the £46k mentioned above''

while i agree with the pay, how is it the fault of the rail workers? they have asked for some more pay and got it thanks to the unions.

citybranch Tue 28-Feb-12 13:17:15

I wish it was as easy as that LeQueen. My line is manually driven. We have signals that must be stopped at, timing sections, speed restrictions, signallers who turn the signal red in your face before you have time to stop, following another train in the rush hour may mean that you need to stop at neatly every red signal. Go through one and you are disciplined. Go through 3 in two years and you are sacked. It isn't as easy as you think, trust me!

citybranch Tue 28-Feb-12 13:22:59

Of course nurses paramedics etc should get paid more. Absolutely.

MrsKittyFane Tue 28-Feb-12 13:24:48

They probably can't be forced to work extra shifts /overtime so are saying 'pay me more' and I'll work more. Don't know about normal contract hours though.

I've been paid time and a half on overtime in the past and double pay on bank holidays.

I don't see how this is different. It's hardly going to be thrir usual shift pattern is it?

niceguy2 Tue 28-Feb-12 13:25:06

blackout, i didn't say it was the nurse/firemen/police's 'fault'.

My comments were as a response to Citybranch's post about the fact her job had a lot of public safety responsibilities. So my point is that it's arguably nowhere near as much as the above professions who don't get paid the same and won't be seeing any bonus.

So in that context, I suspect most of the public will see the union's rejection of the bonus selfish and moneygrabbing.

blackoutthesun Tue 28-Feb-12 13:28:15

blackout, i didn't say it was the nurse/firemen/police's 'fault'.

i didn't say you did

coolascucumber Tue 28-Feb-12 13:43:39

Just for balance - remember a big chunk of any bonus or overtime payments will go back to the government in tax so the tube staff won't be pocketing huge amounts extra. Staff may be travelling into work with different shift patterns and so may have to accommodate extra childcare payments and if it is anything like the police they will have had leave cancelled for months on end. So, no family holidays this summer and longer travelling time to work.

I wouldn't want to work underground for hours on end. It could drive you mad. Workers who have to work shifts are also at higher risk of high blood pressure, depression, shorter life expectancy.

citybranch Tue 28-Feb-12 13:46:31

Yes niceguy2 agreed that paramedics and nurses deserve to be fairly paid but the thing is, it's very difficult to compare professions and put a value upon them. My friend is a nurse and she says she wouldn't like to do what I do, in respect of the lone working. She has a team around her to share some of that responsibility. If I get an alarm in my cab while I'm in the tunnel that says a door is open, Its packed like sardines back there, my actions could result in a huge delay and angry passengers as I squeeze through and check each door...or I could say fuck it and cut out the alarm, bit the risk is that a door may actually be faulty and open and I could drag somebody to their death. There is no one to help with that decision. The controller would advocate cutting out the alarm despite the risk of the faulty door, but it Is ultimately my decision. And not an easy one to take alone! I'm just trying to give some food for thought.

slug Tue 28-Feb-12 14:03:24

Lots of people have the time they take holidays restricted. Teachers are a good example. Lots of people have to deal with seasonal fluctuations in workload. Lots of people have to work unsociable shifts. Lots of people have to put up with horrid working conditions. Lots of people have to work in dangerous or difficult jobs with little or no support networks. Lots of us will have our lives made more difficult by the Olympics.

However, we don't regularly (and by that I mean several times a year) hold a whole city to ransom for even more money. Do I think tube drivers are overpaid? To be fair, having woked in plenty of lonely, difficult, dangerous, shiftwork jobs, yes I do.

I'm always hmm at Bob Crow banging on about how the workers deserve all they can get out of the Tube bosses, while simultaneously ignoring just how much damage their constant strikes do to the jobs and the pay conditions of other workers in the capital. It's just rank hypocracy in my book.

DreamingofSummer Tue 28-Feb-12 14:37:25

Citybranch Excellent posts, it's good to hear the practicalities instead of the rhetoric

Shandy I simply don't believe 3 hour queues

I still think that the demand for bonus payments is no more than blackmail

citybranch Tue 28-Feb-12 14:43:13

Agreed that the RMT strike far too regularly over smaller issues which is why I left them and joined a different union. Therefore I'm in work as usual on strike days and like you, my commute is a nightmare (it already takes me 90 minutes on a good day!) so I completely see where you are coming from. I would be happy enough to do this job for several grand less but it wages were cut drastically I'd prefer to seek a job with more social interaction, maybe a sense of job satisfaction and a feeling that I was 'making a difference' rather than just rattling around in the dark all day.

As for overpaid, I don't disagree with that BUT I have a sister who works 2 days a week in retail who gets tax credits for 3 children and she takes home a few hundred less than me per month. That's absolutely fine, as that is what the government have deemed a satisfactory amount for her to live on. Her ex pays nearly 500 CSA so that's nearly as much as my DH brings home. I don't begrudge it at all but if they are satisfactory amounts for families to live on then why am I considered overpaid? My commute alone is 15+ hours per week which is just under the hours that my sister works. Obviously there are other benefits that I get which make it worthwhile for me to remain with LU which is why I do as I do...but if you narrow it down quite simply to 'overpaid or not' I truly can't see that what I earn is out of this world.

slug Tue 28-Feb-12 16:30:59

citybranch, honestly, I'm not getting at you personally, but ask a teacher who routinely works a 60 hour week, or a nurse who works in a stressful and dangerous job with people's lives in their hands every day, or a paramedic who works shifts and frequently puts their lives on the line, all for under half what a tube driver earns, whether there is something skewed with this? When I left teaching I had been doing it for 12 years. I have two degrees a postgraduate qualification and numerous top up courses and qualifications, all done at my own expense and in my own time. I've dealt with knives, seizures, fights and students fleeing forced marriages. I was regularly and routinely abused as a normal part of my working week. My working week was in excess of 60 hours a week and I worked all the way through my holidays. When I left I was still paid less than a tube driver. And I got no money, let alone a bonus for overtime or dangerous working conditions. And I had to struggle in, just like you, on the tube strike days. I was only a teacher. The nurses, paramedics, care workers et all have it far worse than me and my cushy in comparison job.

I know many people whose jobs become untenable during the tube strikes. I've known a few who have been fired for failing to turn up consistently. Not because of their own fault, but because they are on short term contracts ro on probation and a tube strike in the middle of it meant they dipped under the bar.

Why does TFL have less station staff than they would like? It's because the cost of paying the drivers limits the amount they can pay on other staff. Ifound this out from a friend who did a long term contract at TFL. Whether or not you agree with Bob Crow and his tactics, you benefit from them in terms of wages and conditions. At the expense of others.

Motherload Wed 29-Feb-12 02:22:24

Don't care, I'm afraid. The Olympics are all about London, so may as well be on another planet as far as I'm concerned.

iscream Wed 29-Feb-12 03:08:56

It is their job, it is only for two weeks. My husband works underground, 10 hour shifts and you eat/bathroom break when there is a slower time. He gets over- time working any holidays, or extra hours. He wouldn't expect a bonus for doing his job.
I didn't get bonuses working busy days, why should anyone else? It is your job, you are not doing them a favour.

samandi Wed 29-Feb-12 06:23:35

Because they want more for anything. Sack them all and employ people who actually want to work - there are plenty of them around.

RunnyGrobbles Wed 29-Feb-12 06:47:32

In This thread, people who don't stick up for themselves and their employment right complain about people that do.

Those RMT bastards, how dare they threaten to stop working if they don't get paid what they think is fair.

BabsJansen Wed 29-Feb-12 06:53:18

Citybranch, sounds like my job as a teacher. 3 of my days are heavy timetable with lessons solidly from 8.30-2.30 with 30 mins break. No toilet stops unless someone covers my class. Oh and there is the optional prep time either side of that. Rmt sucks. Glad you are not in it.

lesley33 Wed 29-Feb-12 07:40:24

citybranch - I am not criticising tube drivers. They are well paid because they do stand up for themselves and are well unionised.

But most big organisations including local government, have formal ways of assessing and comparing the financial value of different jobs and I suspect tube drivers would come out at a lower grade than they are actually paid if this was used.

For example, social workers in child protection who are usually paid less than you have to have a post graduate qualification, work in unpleasant circumstances visiting homes usually alone where people are often aggressive and violent (cp social workers are more likely to be murdered at work than police officers), have to deal with the personal emotional difficulties of heartbreaking situation for young kids, have a lot of responsibility and can be prosecuted if they take the wrong decisions.

Many jobs are paid less than you that have very difficult working conditions and lots of responsibility.

ifancyashandy Wed 29-Feb-12 08:22:11

Dreaming, it's what I was told by a senior civil servant for Tower Hamlets LA, so not someone doing a PR job on behalf of Tube drivers.

For what it's worth, the queues for the train at either Seoul or Madrid (apologies, too early to remember which it was!) were up to 12 hours at peak times.

'Simply' believe or not, I've nothing to gain either way!

niceguy2 Wed 29-Feb-12 08:26:25

Hi Citybranch

I'm not suggesting your job does not carry a great degree of responsibility but just that there are many other jobs which do as well. I also appreciate your posts as an insight into the reality of the job.

My main issue is that at a time where the country is supposed to be coming together and thousands of people will also be working extra hard doing equally responsible (if not more) jobs. And many are even volunteering their time free of charge to make the games a fantastic event.

So what is frustrating is that the RMT are trying to hold the Olympics to ransom just to squeeze a few extra quid out of TFL.

If there wasn't any extra money on the table already then I'd be more sympathetic. But there is and to me it sounds fair enough. We're not talking a long term change here but just a special event over a couple of weeks.

It just smacks me of "As long as I'm alright, I don't care about anything else." attitude. Where's the community spirit? Where's the 'let's come together' attitude?

uruculager Wed 29-Feb-12 08:35:25

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UymKurTBdhw

All I really have to add to the discussion.

Takeresponsibility Wed 29-Feb-12 08:53:19

We (and that is about 20,000 people in my organisation) have had leave banned from 2 weeks before the Olympic games to the end of the paraOlympics. this crosses over Ramadan, school holidays (lots of couples work for us who usually take two weeks AL leave each so they only need to arrange childcare for 2 rather than 6 and is causing problems for lots of people. It is going to be 100% capacity for the entire period. We are not allowed queues and it is going to be like the busiest day of the year everyday for 7 weeks. We will be the first British people anyone sees on entering the country (outed myself here) so we have to represent UK plc when we haven't has a drink for 4 hours, dying for the loo or got a mouthful of cotton wool for having smiled and spoken non stop for hours.

Do we get any extra money/bonus/Annual leave NO! Loads of extra responsibility, loads of extra work, loads of extra grief and all we will get is when one or other of use brings in cake for our colleagues. (A favourite saying of mine at work is "It's gonna be shit, nothing I can do to fix that but I have made cake!")

aldiwhore Wed 29-Feb-12 08:58:51

I think more industries should be holding people to ransom for better pay and working conditions personally. We tend to roll over and say "its okay to be paid less, but to pay more because we're British, we're in a recession and we're a bunch of mugs".

Good on them. I HATE the Olympics anyway. Sue me.

valiumredhead Wed 29-Feb-12 09:00:16

<nods in agreement with aldi>

And bollox to community spirit grin

aldiwhore Wed 29-Feb-12 09:03:20

You shouldn't put up with that takeresponsibility the only reason companies force this on you is because you roll over and let them, you shouldn't let them. They will be making big bucks from being so busy, you won't be benefitting in any way, just getting screwed, and you think cake fixes it?

The company could afford to train temporary staff to help, but its far easier to ban holidays.

Fucking HELL... the way us Brits roll over really REALLY pisses me off.

As for community spirit... we're all in it together? Bollocks, we're not, not at all, and WHY should we be?

chandellina Wed 29-Feb-12 09:03:50

It is sheer opportunism and there is no valid reason. Most businesses have busy times where leave is restricted. I don't think it is anything to complain about, just part of any employment.

Tube staff have little public sympathy because of their high pay and willingness to strike for petty reasons.

coolascucumber Wed 29-Feb-12 09:07:19

But it's not just for two weeks. There's the games preparation time and the Paralympics. I'm not sure about the tube drivers but I know that the police have had leave cancelled for months . My husband can take only one week at Easter and then all leave is cancelled until late September. For most of the summer he will be working a 6 day week and not coming home overnight.

limitedperiodonly Wed 29-Feb-12 09:10:36

Another one who agrees with aldi.

scaryteacher Wed 29-Feb-12 09:11:06

From what Takeresponsibility has said she works for the UKBA, so I don't think it's a case of temporary staff being the solution.

I'd also like to point out that many of HM Forces have had their leave cancelled for the Games, and will be working away from their bases (and homes) to provide security, with no bonus payments, and they are expected as always to be available 24/7, even if they are about to be made redundant.

Citybranch - I appreciate your post and the issues you face at work. I don't think your commute is relevant though. While it is a long commute it actually isn't relevant to the role as they would pay someone who lived next door to the depot the same. It is the same for every worker and why you don't get paid for your commute or get to claim mileage.

aldiwhore Wed 29-Feb-12 09:19:17

There are certain jobs that require you to be on duty, security being the main one. Police, HM Forces, they are state services. And whilst they shouldn't accept anything less than the upmost respect they deserve, it is a very different thing to expect every other job sector to roll over and accept those terms.

I personally think, if the government want to spend millions upon millions upon millions for people to run round a bloody track, to display this fake friendship amongst nations, that's all well and good, but the people who have to live with the charade should be compensated... scrap the bloody fireworks display and the 'our opening ceremony is better than yours' bullshit, and use than money to lessen the inconvenience of the whole thing.

There's a global recession, let the 0.01% of the population who use this country as a tax haven pay for the fucking fireworks out of the hundreds of millions.

Grr.

niceguy2 Wed 29-Feb-12 10:15:22

I actually don't care about the Olympics. Watching sports really doesn't do anything for me at all. And actually I do wonder why countries line up to sink money into the games when few (if any) ever see a return on their investment.

HOWEVER....we are where we are now. We do have the games. We've spent millions on it. We may as well make the most of it. Let's show UK in a shining light and attract as many tourists as we can to come to visit this country and spend their hard earned cash here. Let's hope some of the people coming think "Hmm, Britain's a great place...let's invest in here and build an office/factory". They may do that.....they may not.

But I do know that going on strike isn't going to help that cause. Especially when the workers have already been offered a £500 bonus and it's been rejected. In the current economic climate it seems pretty good to me and I sincerely doubt I'll see that this year.

If this was about working conditions then fair enough. But it's nothing to do with conditions but just trying to extort more money

AbsofCroissant Wed 29-Feb-12 10:54:49

Citybranch - I have an (unrelated to thread) question I've been wondering about. For tube drivers, if you're doing the first shift, how do you get to work? Or do you just live at the end of whatever line you work on, and go from there? And do you always work on the same line, or do you sometimes go "feck it. I've had it up to HERE with the northern line. I'm going on the Jubilee"

It's been bugging me for weeks.

aldiwhore Wed 29-Feb-12 11:26:45

The only thing anyone who CAN invest in this country will think is... OOOOH look I can afford to buy somewhere in London and make a huge profit on it, and I won't have to pay tax on my earnings eslewhere, and I will buy a nodding dog. London gets tourists all year round anyway. They should have had the Olympics in a dying seaside town if they wanted to invest in tourism.

I think we should be stripping the whole thing back to basics, tourists will still come, they always do, and whilst they may not go away thinking 'great ceremony' they may go away thinking that we're skint because we ARE. No ones going to think 'lets build a factory here' not when its cheaper to get a slave to do it in a developing country. They're certainly not going to invest because of a large amount of fireworks.

Rather than over spending to attract tourists and possible stupid business people who can't add up, I would rather see the hundreds of millions invested in the whole country for the benefit of people who live here. That money could have kept some services going for another year or so, services that were needed and have been cut.

I love a good party, I'm a proud British citizen, I'll wave a flag at the Jubilee even though I'm not a monarchist so long as it doesn't cost a lot. But right now, right now is not the time to be showing off, splashing out or thinking about tourists that already come here anyway.

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