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For thinking it's hilarious that grown adults think they can ask "the cosmos" for anything they desire??

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MuthaInsuperior Wed 21-Sep-11 10:27:33

This isn't a thread about a thread but the idea of "cosmic ordering" first became known to me yesterday when I read a thread in relationships. To be fair, I think the people in that thread were just having a laugh with it which is fair enough. But I later mentioned it to my friend (she was saying she wanted nothing more than a new house) so I joked "oh just cosmic order one, it's easy apparently" and she replied "actually I will do" shock and she was being totally serious. She then went on to say that she already had a cosmic order on the go and was awaiting the £350 she'd asked for to get her car fixed. She's that sure this £350 is going to magically appear that she's booked a weekend away in said car for the week after the money is due to materialise!!
So after that bewildering conversation I went on the internet to find this stuff has a HUGE following and people actually believe they can "order" anything they want from the universe. On one site "orders" were made public and there was one that made me spit my coffee out - "please universe - I want to win the lottery. I had nothing growing up and I want my kids to have everything. I will be generous of course with the money and will make sure it is well spent. Thank you" WTF??

Surely if life was this simple we'd all be walking around blissfully happy?! I don't know whether to find it funny or sad - I mean grown adults thinking to themselves "I want a brand new car - I'll ask the universe for it" and then to sit there waiting for it??

Like I said, nothing wrong in having a laugh, saying this stuff in jest or I suppose even trying it out of desperation (like a non religious people praying) but to think your general desires will come to you in such a way??

poppyknot Wed 21-Sep-11 10:30:58

Noel Edmunds is big on CO. Say no more..........

Lizzylou Wed 21-Sep-11 10:33:29

OOh, do you think I can order me some thinner thighs and a perter bum?

Saves me killing myself at the gym.

SardineQueen Wed 21-Sep-11 10:34:42

Yes Poppy - Noel Edmunds is enormously successful and wealthy...

So, um...

<offers up prayers to cosmos and makes weird biro squiggles on elbow>

lesley33 Wed 21-Sep-11 10:35:05

I had two quite evangelical christian friends who used to pray often for material goods for their upcoming wedding and their new house!

reallytired Wed 21-Sep-11 10:39:21

Whats the difference between "cosmic ordering" and prayer that many people all over the world practice. I think that its ridiculous to pray for things that you don't really need or can achieve on your own. I think your friend must be joking. I dread to think of all the stupid things people would pray for if cosmic ordering worked. In life you need to be careful what you wish for.

I have prayed for God's help when I have felt like self harming and it has worked.

lubeybooby Wed 21-Sep-11 10:42:18

Hahaa, I think I was probably on said thread you saw... and yes we are having a laugh with it more than anything.

However, I do think there is something in the way it focuses the mind on going after what you want. I don't really think the universe is just going to present me with my 'order' but I have a tiny heart drawn on my hand and it's definitely been reminding me to make an effort, which I have done with sending messages etc on a dating site. I've now had a great conversation with someone very nice and will have a date soon. Now - pre cosmic order and daft symbol drawing, I was really fed up of the whole thing and not making any effort at all. So it's 'worked' for me by making me do the legwork... if you see what I mean.

If people out there are just demanding random amounts of money and lottery wins and sitting back and doing nothing then err... well I really don't think that's going to work.

zukiecat Wed 21-Sep-11 10:42:20

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TheVermiciousKnid Wed 21-Sep-11 10:42:22

A cosmic sense of entitlement ... wink

faverolles Wed 21-Sep-11 10:45:07

I think the feeling that there is something out there looking out for us is very comforting, especially if you are at a stage in your life when things are spiralling out of control. I think it can help as you feel a little more in control and can focus on one thing rather than having a woolly brain trying to deal with too many things at once.

I am still waiting for the 1.1 million I need to buy my dream house though wink

AKMD Wed 21-Sep-11 10:56:09

I think there's a difference between just putting wants into the blue and sitting back waiting for them to arrive and believing that a nice ask will help your own efforts to get or do something. YANBU to think that requests to win the lottery are a bit ridiculous but they were probably joking (I hope!).

I am religious and have always been taught 'Pray as though everything depends on God, then work as though everything depends on you.' Nowt wrong with that.

Whatmeworry Wed 21-Sep-11 11:02:24

I thought it was a spoof joke on "The IT Crowd" - should have known....

quidsi Wed 21-Sep-11 11:08:55

Some people pray, some people wish, some people are into "cosmic orderering" and some people people do the lottery.
Me? I do all of them grin one day it will work!

aldiwhore Wed 21-Sep-11 11:10:49

I do my bit and buy a ticket, the cosmos does the rest. I won £2.84 on the euromillions last week, thanks Universe!!! (makes a note to be more specific with future ordering).

Whataloadofoldshit.

Vibrant Wed 21-Sep-11 11:14:31

It works for me. But I do believe that cosmic ordering is far more complicated than just making an order for what it is you want. You can order anything, but if deep down you don't believe you deserve it, or have thoughs like "it'll never happen to me", then you will block the universe delivering it to you.

Zukiecat you need to change that order! Take out the "I will", tell the universe you are doing it now, and all the negative stuff as that's what the universe will hear. You need to say something like "I order that my washing machine will be delivered today and brought into the house and installed safely".

Meteorite Wed 21-Sep-11 11:17:58

Prayer is on the understanding that God might say no. Doesn't sound so much like "cosmic ordering".

TotemPole Wed 21-Sep-11 11:18:01

lubeybooby, I think that's the way it 'works' for some people. It changes their attitude so small differences in what they do and then get results.

MuthaInsuperior, how is she expecting the £350 to arrive? Money sitting on the dining room table when she gets home after work?

TotemPole Wed 21-Sep-11 11:19:06

I order a win on the lottery tonight.

Riveninabingle Wed 21-Sep-11 11:19:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TotemPole Wed 21-Sep-11 11:23:15

Hang on, that's no good, that might only be £10.

I order a win of more than £499,000 on the lottery tonight.(That gives the cosmos two options, Thunderball or Lottowink )

You have to be careful how you word it, a bit like with 3 wishes and some smart arse genie takes you literally.

MuthaInsuperior Wed 21-Sep-11 11:35:17

My friend is definitely being deadly serious. She thinks the money will come to her by a series of "refunds and finds" etc. For instance a letter from tax credits will appear one day saying she was underpaid last year by £100. Then something she's been trying to sell for months will suddenly sell for £100. Then she'll find £50 in a wallet and the police will tell her to keep it. Then she'll suddenly be refunded bank charges from last year etc etc. Eventually the total will amount to £350 apparently.

It sounds like the way an evangelical Christian mate of mine thinks (weddings again, lesley - which is so odd when you think). She recently posted on (the evil) facebook 'X and I received so many generous gifts at our reception - more than enough to cover the costs and pay for our trip! Thank the Lord for his blessings'. Comments to follow this revealed that, instead of thanking their guests in the normal way, because this bounty was attributed to 'the Lord', thank-you letters were not required.

She has a lot fewer friends now.

allhailtheaubergine Wed 21-Sep-11 11:43:09

I think we need a scientific test of this theory and I volunteer to be the one to do it.

Here goes:

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Dear Universe,
Hi. How are you? I'm doing well.
I would like to order a packet of medium - posh biscuits, to arrive in the next 10 minutes please. My friend is coming over and I meant to bake but didn't get round to it. Now I feel bad.
Thanks ever so,
Aubers x
PS - please don't let them materialise in front of her as then the game is up. If you can't manage to get them here before she arrives, pop them in the kitchen and I'll go and find them. Thanks.
-----------------------------------------

Okay. Now we wait.

MuthaInsuperior Wed 21-Sep-11 11:45:46

Would love it if your friend brought a packet of posh biscuits with her Aubergine grin

Vibrant Wed 21-Sep-11 11:46:51

I don't believe that you should work out the detail of how you get what you're asking for. It narrows down the options for the universe. If you leave it up to them there are all sorts of ways they could send what you're asking for.

I know exactly what you mean LRD. I know someone who does the same thing, and I've often thought the same - "well how about thanking the person who actually did/gave you that". It doesn't sit well with me and I think that how we act/react to others plays a huge part in attracting positivity and abundance into our lives.

Beamur Wed 21-Sep-11 11:46:58

Any sign of the biscuits yet?

Vibrant Wed 21-Sep-11 11:49:29

That's really funny allhail! I once did that on a camping trip when I'd run out of wine. I ordered that I'd have wine with my tea. Later that day DD made a friend in the park, and when I went to get her, the friend's parents were there and said the fish and chip van was coming that night. We ended up being at the van at the same time and they invited us to sit and eat them with them. Guess what? They had a bottle of wine and gave me some.

Ariana86 Wed 21-Sep-11 11:55:36

A lot of people really are deadly serious - i have friends & colleagues who actually ask 'the angels' for things - they believe we have spirits & guardian angels around us all the time.
I don't like to upset them but... I have said a few times that there had better not be any full time spirit / angel thing watching ME (you know - on the toilet, showering etc. Weird.)
I already get watched / intimidated by my cat all the time!
Re: looking for a boyfriend - forget cosmic ordering; just smile & be friendly if you see a nice man - ok you may just gain an acquaintance but you never know!

InMyPrime Wed 21-Sep-11 11:56:17

I love that US-style evangelical Christianity, LRD, praying to Jesus for money and material wealth... grin. What a great way to entirely misunderstand and abuse the original teachings of Christ while getting to be smug to others that you're modest and god-fearing, so god-fearing you leave it up to 'Him' to decide what car you drive and house you live in...

I thought it was so rude Prime, I couldn't believe it! But it seems it is almost normal in their social circle. Ah well, nowt as queer as folk I guess.

allhailtheaubergine Wed 21-Sep-11 12:02:46

Medium - posh biscuits Mutha.

No sign yet.

Vibrant Wed 21-Sep-11 12:03:35

It's the same thing Ariana - it's all cosmic ordering. I use the parking angels all the time, and the shopping angels. They recently found me a school cardigan, tracksuit, new pair of jeans and brownie trousers in the local charity shops. I didn't have time to go shopping for school uniform before dd went back to school, so I just asked them to get me what I needed without any hassle or worry.

And I do believe we have guides around us - not all the time, just when we need them there or when we ask them to be.

LetThereBeRock Wed 21-Sep-11 12:08:01

Parking angels and shopping angels?hmm

Whatmeworry Wed 21-Sep-11 12:11:14

the parking angels all the time, and the shopping angels

Love it, its back to early human theocracy with a sprite by every bush and stream.

Anyone ever read Terry Pratchett's "Small Gods"

MuthaInsuperior Wed 21-Sep-11 12:12:53

PMSL @ parking and shopping angels grin

allhailtheaubergine Wed 21-Sep-11 12:13:09

Still no biscuits.

Universe! <shakes fist> You have let me down!

<falls to knees> <shouts at sky>

WHY universe? WHYYYY???

TheVermiciousKnid Wed 21-Sep-11 12:17:40

<mumbles with mouth full of buiscuits> Oops, sorry, allhail. It seems that the Universe got the delivery address wrong. Yummy biscuits though, just the right side of medium-posh.

<shakes biscuit crumbs out of keyboard>

TheVermiciousKnid Wed 21-Sep-11 12:18:09

PS: please ask for proper post ones next time, I would like to try them.

TotemPole Wed 21-Sep-11 12:18:10

allhail, your modest order for a packet of biscuits makes my Lotto win order look somewhat greedy. And you put it so much better than I did. I need to revise this.

Dear Cosmos,

I order 5 numbers plus the bonus ball on tonight's Lotto.

Please ignore any previous orders from totempole. That was not me, darned cat on the keyboard again.

TheVermiciousKnid Wed 21-Sep-11 12:18:34

Proper posh ones even. blush

allhailtheaubergine Wed 21-Sep-11 17:51:40

I don't know quite how to tell you all this, but I am embarrassed to say that the universe granted me my medium - posh biscuits.

Friend arrived. Kids went crazy. Everything a bit chaotic for 10 minutes. I went into the kitchen to put the kettle on and... Lo and behold... There was a packet of coconut macaroons on the side.

True. I promise.

(my friend had brought them and put them down while I was sorting the kids out. Still, universe 1 : mocking mumsnetter 0, I think. )

TheVermiciousKnid Wed 21-Sep-11 18:01:52

grin

PonceyMcPonce Wed 21-Sep-11 18:13:57

I think cosmic ordering is supposed to be a bit less specific. You need to have faith that although you might not get what you want, you may actually get what you need.

I did ask the cosmos if my friend might have a baby. She did after a long time. Of course her doctor might think the ivf helped. But then the universe might have helped the ivf.

Just having a woo moment.

Don't you often find, that if you need something, somehow it turns up? I do remember my kettle blowing up, then about an hour later my nephew arriving with a kettle (?) he won in a school raffle!

Maybe I am just an optimist.

zukiecat Wed 21-Sep-11 18:19:35

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SarahStratton Wed 21-Sep-11 18:20:24

Totem don't you need to order 5 winning numbers, plus the winning bonus ball?

easylife73 Wed 21-Sep-11 18:25:51

Always use the parking angel - she's never let me down yet! Also, did once place a cosmic order, but I was told you had to write it down and put it behind a photo of a loved one on your mantlepiece, then forget about it. I asked for a job that would cover the shortfall on our expenses each month, but still fit around the family. I got my job in a school a few months later. Haven't asked for anything else since though - don't want to be greedy wink

FreakoidOrganisoid Wed 21-Sep-11 18:27:35

I was on the relationships thread too and have semi-jokingly ordered a man. I say semi-jokingly because actually I have found making a very detailed list has helped me recognise what I want, and what I absolutely will not settle for. So it's focused my mind and while I don't think the universe will magically deliver him to my sofa I do think it will help me recognise a good'un

SarahStratton Wed 21-Sep-11 18:34:16

I ordered a man too. grin

I was very careful with my wording and gave a reasonable timescale to work to. I was standing in the back garden, and had a vision of being in Argos waiting for my number to be called.

I hope he doesn't get damaged on the roller conveyor belt.

LetThereBeRock Wed 21-Sep-11 19:47:17

'The Monkey's Paw' comes to mind.

PaigeTurner Wed 21-Sep-11 20:01:29

Hmm. If you look into quantum physics, we create our own 'reality' anyway so it could be possible, scientifically.

<runs away>

MuthaInsuperior Wed 21-Sep-11 20:14:30

Glad your biscuits turned up Aubergine! How odd!

And to make the thread even more eerie - my friend who is waiting for the £350 - well her husband came home from work tonight with a £200 bonus - she wasn't surprised and is now eagerly awaiting the next £150. If she gets it - I'm going to change my beliefs and cosmically order a winning lottery ticket I think.

GirlWithALlamaTattoo Wed 21-Sep-11 20:22:04

I suppose I "ordered" a man, too. I was attempting online dating with no success at all, talked to my sister about exactly what I was looking for, and within a few weeks I realised that somebody I'd been on casual chatting terms with for a while was exactly what I was after, and was interested!

If you can describe what you want, it's easier to know it when you see it.

Vibrant Wed 21-Sep-11 20:57:53

I was so hoping the friend would turn up with biscuits. And that money is going to come, so get ready with your orders Mutha!

echt Wed 21-Sep-11 21:20:17

Earlier someone said CO was like prayer.

Not the way I remember it; certainly not for material goods, and always with the rider " not my will but thine be done."

I had some evangelical Christian acquaintances who would helpfully send a round robin with "prayer points" on it so that when you prayed you could ask for their "new family car, preferably blue" or "Kitchenaid" or whatever it was that month. hmm

inatrance Wed 21-Sep-11 22:55:23

Vibrant my parking angels are pretty good too! grin

I also asked for a man, several years ago now. I wrote a list of everything I wanted and put things that were important to me, (kind, funny, tall etc)..

While I was actively looking for him expectantly - nada. As soon as I thought 'sod it I'm happy by myself' - poof there he was!

It's not as easy as just asking though, it's all about energy.

It's Quantum don't you know! wink

HardCheese Wed 21-Sep-11 23:02:50

YANBU. It is hilarious that adults think the 'Universe' functions something like Argos.

TotemPole Wed 21-Sep-11 23:05:24

Totem don't you need to order 5 winning numbers, plus the winning bonus ball?

SarahStratton, you're right, I should have been more specific. sad

aurynne Wed 21-Sep-11 23:05:40

When Pope John Paul was shot, he attributed his survival to the Blessed Virgin of Fatima. I bet the surgeons who operated on him for more than 6 hours found it equally funny.

SarahStratton Wed 21-Sep-11 23:06:03

It does. Doesn't it?

<waits expectantly for him to come rumbling down the Argos conveyor belt>

I am equally sceptical but gave it a go back in July for a laugh. I asked for extra spending money for our holiday in August. I only went and won £1k on our work social organisation's lottery the first week in August! Ten years I've had those tickets without a sniff of a win!!

Coincidence maybe but I'm going to be asking the Cosmos for stuff again!

timidviper Wed 21-Sep-11 23:14:14

Noel Edmonds makes my flesh crawl! Surely the universe should have more responsibility in deciding what to grant and weigh up Noel's requests against the distress caused to the rest of us.

brighthair Thu 22-Sep-11 00:33:20

I don't use cosmic ordering but I do pray for help with things
From age 5 I prayed every morning and night for a pony. It only took me 6 years grin
Although I think that was more to do with mum losing the will every time I wrote a christmas list... Dear Santa, I would like a pony and nothing else please grin

BertieBotts Thu 22-Sep-11 00:58:14

My mum believes in this and got me to do it when I was looking for a place to move to when leaving abusive XP. So just to troll it, I specified a house or flat, within walking distance to town, which has its own entrance (for my cat) and no steps (for the buggy), and a bathroom on the same floor as the living area.

House I'm living in now meets all of those criteria - and weirdly enough, the bathroom on the ground floor thing isn't that common in this area, despite living in a victorian terrace - most people on this street have either extended upstairs to move the bathroom, or converted a bedroom in the 3-bed houses. And it's not like I had loads of choice either, because none of the agencies would accept benefits without a guarantor earning more than anybody I know, and most of the private lets were No DSS as well. It was pretty much the first place that I was accepted at, rather than having the choice between a few.

I think if you're going to put faith in any kind of system like this it's important not to just expect the universe, or God, or whatever, to provide you with something blindly but to accept that the form of "help" the universe provides could be a path to achieve that thing by yourself.

I agree that it's more focusing your mind on what you want, but I think it's an interesting theory. It's said, BTW, that if you are constantly thinking "I want X" then "the universe" will keep you in that state of wanting, because you are focusing on wanting it rather than "X is going to happen" and, similarly, if you are constantly thinking "Ugh, I have no money" then again the universe will keep you in that state - which I actually find really stressful to believe in, so I try not to think about it. I don't want to police my own thoughts. It's exhausting. I've actually ended up with an OCD-like behaviour where I have to think "We are safe. We are safe. The house is safe and I am safe and DS is safe and we are all safe." every night before I can go to sleep, because I worry that if I don't think this, I will slip into the obsessive thoughts I constantly had as a child about house fires and that will somehow cause one. And I don't want to think about the connotations if everyone's thoughts actually had any kind of effect on the physical world.

MuthaInsuperior Thu 22-Sep-11 07:56:34

Bertie you've just reminded me of something. WHen I was about 7 my parents announced that we were moving home. For some wierd reason something I REALLY wanted was steps on the garden path - not the steps that take you into the house you understand - but steps actually in the garden - away from the house. I envisioned it constantly (unbeknown to me that houses like this were extremely rare where we lived!) and one day my mum announced that they'd found a house. My first question was "oh! does it have steps in the garden?!" and she thought for a few seconds and then said "yes, it does actually!". When I went to see the house for the first time it was EXACTLY how I had been imagining.

goes off to imagine a mansion

hairylights Thu 22-Sep-11 08:02:39

Laugh away.

It's worked for me! It's not as simple as just placing an order. It's about positive thinking, belief, affirmation and action.

The way my life has turned around now that I think positively and affirm what I want from life is astonishing.

HardCheese Thu 22-Sep-11 08:15:34

But Hairylights, if you actually acted in order to get whatever it was you wanted, don't you only have your own unaided efforts to thank, rather than 'the Universe'? I think what alarms me about this thread is that it sounds like a lot of people aren't giving themselves credit for working hard and trying and achieving something. Shouldn't many of you be patting yourselves on the back for pulling something off, rather than some mysterious external force that takes requests?

And the examples people have given that the system 'works' are pure coincidence. A lottery win or an unexpected piece of good luck, or a child ending up living in a house with a feature she always dreamed of, are only remembered as 'successes' in the same way that a psychic accidentally hitting on a correct piece of information is remembered, while all her completely irrelevant or incorrect information is forgotten.

MissBeehiving my mind is blown that your evangelical mates sent around letters expecting you to pray that they got a specific colour car or kitchen appliance. 'Dear God in Heaven, we now pray for those who are ill or in need, especially for the Smiths, who would like a Volkswagen Golf, preferably blue'. grin

IWantWine Thu 22-Sep-11 08:20:50

I am so glad I am not the only one to believe I have a 'parking angel' lol...

I think the knack is in deciding on what you want, and being confident that you will get it, and then being able to sort of forget it while knowing it will arrive... confused

Someone explained it to me along the lines of choosing a new three piece suite, placing the order with the shop, paying your deposit and then waiting for the shop to deliver it. You wouldnt constantly ring the shop, day after day and ask if your suite was going to be delivered today and that is the approach you need to take with CO....

IWantWine Thu 22-Sep-11 08:24:34

HardCheese I got two things in this way, and I put no effort whatsoever into getting them. They came my way, I was not out looking for them, someone else brought to my attention. So although you make a valid point, it would not be relevant in my case.

IWantWine Thu 22-Sep-11 08:25:52

brought them to my attention....

IWantWine Thu 22-Sep-11 08:26:42

and doesnt it say in the bible... 'ask and it shall be given'? grin

tiredemma Thu 22-Sep-11 08:33:39

not had time to read all of the posts so forgive me if you have all moved onto something else.

I worked with a woman who believed (quite radically) in CO. I listened intently, nodded appropriately etc etc. When I asked if she could give me an example of who it had worked for, she spoke of Noel Edmonds and his fall in obscurity after doing that programme with Mr Blobby- and then finding fame again years later with Deal or No Deal.

Try as I might, I just couldnt take the idea of CO (or her) seriously after that point.

Although on a positive note- we had a very problematic patient who was assaulting staff on a daily basis. When she was transferred to another hospital, my work colleague stated that she had 'ordered it' through CO. Which was nice.

OneHandFlapping Thu 22-Sep-11 08:33:39

I always thought "cosmic order" was just a phrase, referring to the patterns of the universe.

And it was about cosmic shopping all along. Who'd have thunk?

TotemPole Thu 22-Sep-11 10:17:55

I ordered 5 numbers and the bonus ball.

I got 3 numbers spread across two lines on Lotto. So no win.

And 3 of my Lotto numbers came up on Thunderball, one was the Thunderball as well. So no win.

So how to word it for the weekend so I get it right... hmmm?

Ariana86 Thu 22-Sep-11 10:39:40

Re: 'parking angels' - isn't it just common sense that sooner or later any random parking space will be available?
I'm sure that probability, coincidence, statistics, hard work, human kindness & belief in your own abilities all have a lot more influence on life than angels or cosmic ordering.
To me praying & CO are similar to positive thinking - think about or discuss issues & solutions are more likely to be found. As for karma - ok, why do many decent people suffer tragedy & pain?

Well, they can ask

Ariana86 Thu 22-Sep-11 11:36:10

No harm in asking for things.. But you can make results more likely with some actual logic / problem solving etc.

InPraiseOfBacchus Thu 22-Sep-11 12:29:55

I can sort of see the 'trick' behind it - if you tell yourself you've 'ordered' something, you're more likely to think about it more and find ways of getting it.

But you can do that without cosmic nonsense - just write a post it on your fridge for goodness sake! It makes me uncomfortable when grown adults like to imagine they're being looked after by a magical force. sad

LadyWord Thu 22-Sep-11 14:01:35

I have a parking angel, and I talk to it. "Pleeeeease get me a space you useless fucker." "Ahh! thank you!" I'm an atheist, rationalist type and I don't really believe it

hmm <waits for thunderbolt...>

but it kind of makes the search more interesting - however it does seem to me that humans have a tendency to attribute things to a higher power, even if intellectually they have no truck with it IYSWIM.

Re parking, yes you will eventually find a space, and I'm good at squeezing into small spaces, so of course it's unrelated really.

What I hate about the whole cosmic ordering bolleaux woo-fest is the seriousness and sense of entitlement about it. These people just assume they should have this bounty and keep asking for it - it's like spoilt 6-year-olds with sweets. What about modesty and humility? Especially the Christians. And why should the Universe give a stuff? And also, if you cosmic order £350, does that mean someone somewhere has £350 less, because that's not very nice if so.

I'm imagining some floaty etherial office in the sky somewhere that are baffled by the sudden increase in demand for lottery wins, biscuits and parking spaces grin

TotemPole Thu 22-Sep-11 14:34:40

And also, if you cosmic order £350, does that mean someone somewhere has £350 less, because that's not very nice if so.

In my case yes, if I get 5 + bonus and win £100,000 on the lottery, at least 100,000 people will lose £1. It's all about balance in the Cosmos.grin

shinyrobot Thu 22-Sep-11 14:52:18

Totally agree with the post by InPraiseOfBacchus above.

Hilarious that people believe in such utter nonsense, and parking and shopping angels have me laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes. I suppose it's pretty harmless though, unless believers have a tendency to stop trying to do things for themselves and sit on their arses waiting for stuff to appear. Which would be bad.

A lot of third world people would be grateful for this amazing knowledge, none of their children need ever die from preventable diseases or hunger again, or at least they might get a shiny new bike beforehand. hmm

DeepLeafEverything Thu 22-Sep-11 17:20:01

I do this too. It works for me. I just believe that things will work out, and they do. It saves a lot of stress. The stress comes when you create tension around something and try to fight it, rather than relaxing into it. Obviously you still have to make some effort, but it doesn't feel like effort, because you're not fighting things.
Vibrant has explained it much better than me.

boodleboot Thu 22-Sep-11 17:29:50

i find the rolling stones sum up my approach to CO/prayer pretty well with 'you can't always get what you want....but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you neeeeeeed do do doooododdododo'

thy will not mine be done and all that. if it is meant for me it won't pass me by....smile

SarahStratton Thu 22-Sep-11 17:41:46

That man I ordered. He rang last night. grin

BertieBotts Thu 22-Sep-11 17:44:03

I don't see why believing in the universe helping out means you disregard your own achievements, though. And the thing about the Christian couple who thanked God rather than the guests for their wedding presents is just bonkers and frankly, a bit unchristian. I have religious friends and they wouldn't dream of doing that, they would always thank everyone personally, and then perhaps add on a general thanks to God for the wonderfulness of their friends, or something.

mashyup Fri 23-Sep-11 09:21:43

If you 'ask' for something you will make a subconscious effort to get it. You will only remember the times it 'worked'. I used to have some hippyish friends who lived in Glastonbury, and the people who lived around them were always saying things like 'if you ask for something (usually money) it will 'manifest' itself'. Which I always hated because it was close to right wing 'poor people bring it on themselves' thinking. And also close to all that think positive and your cancer will go away bollocks. I know the power of positive thinking, placebos etc, but my mum was a nurse and she saw plenty of positive thinking people who died anyway.

Emilizz Fri 23-Sep-11 10:20:21

Cosmic ordering has worked for me on the 3 occasions that I tried it. My husband was very sceptical but not any more!!!

I had dd1 name down for a private school that's almost impossible to get into . She was way down the waiting list. Lo & behold she got a place and loves it there.

Two years ago we found a location to build our dream house. It's a cottage on 1 acre with a river running through it. It was an executor sale and we couldn't afford the asking price as it's a really expensive area.We put in a ridiculous offer for 150k below the asking price And eventually after six long weeks, the sellers agreed to sell it to us. We got our planning permission this week.

Lastly, my dd wanted tickets to the Glee concert which had sold out months previously. I jokingly told her to put her order into the universe and I did the same. About 2 weeks later , she was browsing ticketmaster and decided to see if there were any available. Turns out they had added extra seats in the standing area & we got seats 3 rows from the front!! Her friend also had a spare ticket so she got to go twice.

It sounds a bit off the wall but I really believe in it as it has worked for me.

elastamum Fri 23-Sep-11 10:34:52

Not convinced by cosmic ordering, but positive mindset and knowing what you want counts for an awful lot. When my ex left us our life was in turmoil. But it never crossed my mind that I couldnt find a good job and earn enough to keep us in our home. And that I wouldnt put my life back together and find a new partner.

So I got up and got on the train to london for interviews day in day out. Got loads of knock backs and just kept going. Found a great well paid job after a few months, found a lovely new man after a couple of years of dating.

My mum, who died of cancer last year, had this mindset too. She was positive and cheerful right to the end and happy with her life and her family.

BTW There is always a parking space if you are prepared to wait and look smile

Vibrant Fri 23-Sep-11 11:24:13

I think it's the same thing dressed up with a name Elastamum. You can call it what you like, but it's about positive thinking and your outer world reflecting your inner world.

The thing with the parking though is that it isn't that you don't have to wait for a space to eventually come up, or squeeze into a space - the space will be there for you exactly when you need it with no searching or hassle.

FreakoidOrganisoid Fri 23-Sep-11 14:13:16

SarahStratton, does he tick all the boxes though?

StarShine82 Sat 24-Sep-11 12:08:39

Take a look around. The universe has everything we could ever need in great abundance. The difference between having it and not is simply down to attitude.

Quantum physics has proven that when we have positive thoughts our energetic field changes and attracts positive things and people into our lives, but when we have negative thoughts we attract negative things.

The same can be said for cosmic ordering. Don't just ask the universe, believe in it. I have placed many 'orders' in the past and had the desired results but, as others have previously said, I have 'believed' that these things will happen and made actions that allow these things to come to me. It is about setting the attention to acheive something and then asking the universe for it's help.

For me, it is not about being greedy and asking for huge sums of money, it is about being able to live a 'comfortable' life, to be able to make a living doing what I want in life and to raise our children in such a way that they have everything that they need, but at the same time do not grow up to be spoilt little brats!

NotADudeExactly Sat 24-Sep-11 12:25:32

Actually, quantum physics really says nothing of the kind at all. Furthermore, the new age types who say otherwise usually don't have the faintest clue what the hell quantum physics really is.

In actual fact, quantum mechanics is a scientific theory that deals with the wave-particle duality of energy and matter. ("Energy" in the scientific sense, i.e. The capacity to perform work, not some chi kind of thing!).

Quantum theory is notoriously difficult to understand even by scientists - and I challenge any of the woo merchants who use the label as free advertising to explain it to a class of undergraduates in a way that is a) scientifically acceptable and b) leads to each student leaving with a good basic understanding of quantum physics.

If your woo is scientifically valid, feel free to publish in a peer reviewed journal.

StarShine82 Sat 24-Sep-11 12:48:34

Quantum physics or no quantum physics...all I know is that it has worked for me! I don't need a degree or a peer reviewed journal to justify it I'm just going from what I have seen and experienced personally...So many sceptics in this world!

NotADudeExactly Sat 24-Sep-11 12:57:41

In your previous post you claimed your theory was proven by quantum physics. I'm 99.999% certain it isn't and that whoever wrote that book doesn't get quantum physics, that's my entire point.

Your woo theory and any personal experience of yours is of no interest to me. My only concern is that legitimate science isn't falsely claimed to endorse yet another new age spleen.

StarShine82 Sat 24-Sep-11 13:02:13

I never claimed it to me 'My' theory, simply what I have been taught...I'm too busy enjoying life and the abundance of the universe to sit in a lab and investigate such things myself...Sorry if my first comment offended you, I was under the impression that this was a 'free' forum where people could say what they wish...My bad!

If it doesn't interst you, don't read it..Simple

NotADudeExactly Sat 24-Sep-11 13:11:54

Well, yes, you're of course free to misunderstand quantum theory - just be aware that what you're saying is kind of like claiming that evolution predicts that you'll win the lottery soon, i.e. not scientifically valid under the common understanding of "evolution".

On the other hand, according to the theory of gravity we do indeed attract coins and bank notes and vice versa. Unfortunately the impact of this is negligible.

TequillaMockingBird Sat 24-Sep-11 13:13:12

From Stone Age caveperson to medieval peasant to modern space-ager, we really haven't lost our ability to believe in whacky theories. This seems like a relatively harmless one. Nutzoid but probably not going to hurt people.

TheVermiciousKnid Sat 24-Sep-11 13:25:18

Take a look around. The universe has everything we could ever need in great abundance. The difference between having it and not is simply down to attitude.

Ah, I see. So poor people don't have money because of their attitude? And those with cancer don't have health because of their attitude? And those affected by the famine in East Africa? Yep, their lack of food can of course be blamed on 'bad attitude'. hmm

Of course there are other factors involved in whether you have what you need or not - it's not 'simply down to attitude'.

Sure, you're entitled to your beliefs. But don't state that quantum physics has proven this, that and the other and then get shirty when somebody pulls you up on it!

EggyAllenPoe Sat 24-Sep-11 13:31:37

'SarahStratton, does he tick all the boxes though?'

are you trying to order her a door-to-door chugger?

Maria33 Sat 24-Sep-11 14:45:17

I think some Tim Minchin is in order...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s

Enjoy grin

Tarenath Sat 24-Sep-11 17:03:59

I can sort of see the 'trick' behind it - if you tell yourself you've 'ordered' something, you're more likely to think about it more and find ways of getting it.

I'm certain this is how it works sometimes, but I also think there's "helpful coincidences"

For instance, we were having money/house troubles several years ago so I asked for a reasonable house and the means to pay for it, then promptly resumed job hunting. We took a chance and moved house a month or so later and 6 weeks before the money ran out I landed the perfect job!

Similarly we needed a new car and took out a loan to pay for it. I'm very not keen on loans so promised myself I would pay it off asap, intending to work my backside off on overtime. A couple of weeks later a received a cheque through the post more than covering the amount of the loan. My granddad had passed away several months previously and he had left me some money which I had no idea about.

I'm of the opinion that if you want something then you have to do it yourself, but sometimes the universe sees fit to help you out.

babyhammock Sat 24-Sep-11 18:51:37

Starshine brought up quantum physics... when you get down to the bare bones we literally consist of energy fields and not much else. So when you think of it like that, it can open your mind up to all sorts of things being possible.

I was in a dreadful abusive situation not very long ago which was theoretically impossible to escape from and end up where I am now IYSWIM. I wouldn't call it cosmic ordering (I think that's a bit flipant) but I imagined, lived and breathed where I wanted to be and above all believed it would happen. And despite all the odds it did.

TiggyD Sat 24-Sep-11 19:11:15

It's as stupid as asking a beardy man living on a cloud to answer your prayers.

If one mentalist believes in something stupid they're a nutter. If 100 million mentalists believe in something stupid it's seen as reasonable and they get to go on Songs Of Praise.

Comic ordering, christianity, islam, buddism, that other well meaning one that has caused millions of deaths, they're all the same.

Meteorite Mon 26-Sep-11 07:48:22

And of course, a beardy man on a cloud is exactly who God isn't.

TequillaMockingBird Mon 26-Sep-11 08:46:27

For the love of God, if you don't know anything about quantum mechanics please don't try to talk about it. I've read a couple books on the subject and regard it as a complete mystery. There is no way you can treat it as some kind of cosmic feng shui.

RedRubyBlue Mon 26-Sep-11 09:26:18

I was up to £800 on my overdraft and was getting seriously concerned and asked the universe for that amount with a fortnight.

I got a tax rebate for £778 a week later. I was shocked because I had previously checked with work that I was on the right tax code and they said yes so I left it at that.

TiggyD Mon 26-Sep-11 10:09:44

Meteorite who say I was talking about the christian god? I may have meant uncle Albert from only fools and horses.

NotADudeExactly Mon 26-Sep-11 10:12:09

"Cosmic feng shui"?

ROFL grin

Meteorite Mon 26-Sep-11 10:53:46

So which did you mean then?

Goodynuff Mon 26-Sep-11 13:26:13

I don't understand c.o, or prayer or that.
How can someone say I got what I wanted (based on virtue, positivity, or what have you) but you haven't got what you wanted because you didn't ask right or were not deserving enough?

So a person being raped that begs for help isn't in the right frame of mind? Perhaps a starving person should just really open their mind a little wider?
Maybe they just lack faith.
Or they simply haven't taken the time to understand the science of it?

I don't understand how people can negate personal responsability, direct action, circumstance, and oppertunity.

Sorry for bringing down the thread, it just burns my wood when I come across such unreasonableness.

NotADudeExactly Mon 26-Sep-11 14:05:40

Goodynuff I see precisely where you're coming from with this!

It's for the very same reason that I have such enormous difficulties with that fuzzy warm feeling claim that "children choose their parents".

That's all nice and well. I can see how looking at your baby and thinking "yes, you wanted exactly me to be your mum" would make a person feel good. It kind of stops working when you consider parental abuse, though. Or the poor babies who "choose" to be born into a famine. Or as a boy to a Bosnian muslim family in Srebrenica some time in the late seventies or so.

The furthest I've seen this kind of theory taken was when someone actually claimed that these things are chosen by souls looking to learn a lesson. I'm thinking this is dangerous to the extreme. After all, if all those who died in the holocaust were basically having a great learning experience, should we not then conclude that nazism was a brilliant teacher? And hence perhaps a good thing?

Slippery slope indeed, ...

Tyr Mon 26-Sep-11 14:13:42

I like Bierce's definition of prayer: "That the laws of the universe be annulled in favour of a single petitioner; manifestly unworthy"

NotADudeExactly Mon 26-Sep-11 14:51:36

The true new ager is always one of the chosen few - never unworthy! grin

Quantum physics both cuter and significantly more true to the original than what is being claimed on this thread.

Tyr Mon 26-Sep-11 17:55:12

NotADudeExactly Mon 26-Sep-11 14:51:36

The true new ager is always one of the chosen few - never unworthy! grin

I agree; in a word..... delusional.

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