to not understand why so many poor people... PART 2(1001 Posts)
As things have calmed down a little now, despite DH getting involved , I will try and explain once more what I meant to express by OP.
It boils down to:
I have noticed that in this society a lot of money is spent unwisely/for luxuries and increasingly so. This does indeed occur, as many of you have pointed out, regardless of level of income, throughout the social stratum. What I don't understand is, how the very poor people spend/are able to spend money on luxuries whilst compromising on the basic requirements (such as nutritious food for their children). The examples I mentioned were from my circle of friends, not generalisations.
I was bringing up examples from poor people because if a wealthy person fritters his income away for luxuries it doesn?t affect basic requirements such as food, (at least I have never ever come across anybody), however if you don't have any money to spend, it does.
Before you get enraged, I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else.
I don't think it is fair that MNs stereotype "the rich", and have a go at them. But how dare anyone say anything negative about "the poor". That is hypocritical.
I only listed how I spend my money to demonstrate that it can be done, not to say how ?great? I am. If I can do it anybody can.
Please don?t make any assumptions what I do or not do in RL to actively help make things better and support people in need...
And I have a great life, thank you, and not a boring one, either. But curiosity is human nature (just look at the topics of women?s magazines, don?t any of you buy those?), and if you walk through life with open eyes, you just notices things. Also, my academic background is in sociology, so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do. No finger pointing or accusing intended.
Finally, I?d like to respond to some specific points which have been repeatedly been raised:
RE car engine: it is an absolute myth that it is cheaper to leave the engine on rather than turn it off and on again a short while later (ask any car mechanic). In some countries you risk a fine if you don?t turn your engine off at (certain) traffic lights/road works! They?re not doing that for the sake of it. It?s just unnecessary pollution and a waist of money! It is not a matter of ?treating yourself? if the husband waits in the car with running engine and the wife goes shopping in a supermarket (and it is not extremely cold or hot (aircon))! It?s just stupid. I don?t imply you should turn your engine off at stop and go traffic jams, but those where you come to a standstill, where after 2 or 3 minutes of nothing happening it would be wise to turn the engine off (even if you had to turn it on again in 1 minute it would save money). Same with ?popping in? at shops/dropping friend of etc...
RE kids parties: there?s nothing wrong with kids parties per se! Of course it's nice to create something fun for them. But why have branded accessories right down to the bags the kids take home? Again, extra expenditures and extra waste. A nice party isn?t made nice by spending loads! A (simple) selfmade cake (not one of those branded one with loads of artificial colouring, ugh), and a couple of party games is all the children need to be really really HAPPY. The bags are thrown away, as are most of the contents, it is cheeper and easier to use kitchen towel or plastic bags for sandwhiches plus you can choose what you put in the bags.
RE cut fruit: It is still absolutely beyond me why you would spend twice as much money (or more) for precut fruit (not tins!) if you could easily cut it yourself, particulary if you are poor and only have a 5 pound shopping budget.
The UK has become a very materialistic society (but that is a different topic), maybe I just recognise it more as I?m from a different cultural background.
OK so the alst thread went tits up, evenyone has now clamed down so you've started another
I wish i was as perfect and wonderful as you.
Ha! I cannot believe that you've started all this again
Way to win a popularity contest
You should have let this topic die with the last thread. You havent done yourself any favours because you still sound like you are talking to us from your moral high ground.
Wow. I'm so relieved that the circumstance of my current poorness is one on your approved list.
It is a great comfort to me.
So you are only talking about the feckless poor, of course they deserve nothing nice ever.
In all honesty, I saw the first few posts of the other thread, and genuinely thought it was a joke.
Is this woman for real?
The first thread was a load of bollocks.
This is very much the same
I bought pre-cut melon yesterday....it was only 40p!! I bought it for dd2 to eat on the way home from the supermarket....figured it was better than Smarties...
Maybe not the brightest idea for someone who says she has an IQ of 140
Sorry but I agree with the OP, 'some' people who claim being 'poor' (not I say some, I am not tarring all with the same brush, this is just anecdotal evidence from people that I know)
Someone very close to me was evicted due to not pying bills and rent, yet they will not cancel stuff such as sky/internet or not have a car (very central for work and schools and shops no need for one, want one maybe but not need)
If I as that poor we woudl be on freeview only, no internet etc.
Also smoking, you spend £50+ on fags yet are too poor to buy healthy food for your kids? no bloody way, selfishness, poor down to your own making!
Thanks for the clarification, tiredemma.
K999, you belong on the Jeremy Kyle show. Cut melon!!!
you just want to be 'right' about it all don't you??
well you're not.
bad form too. and a bit desperate.
I buy precut fruit, and I am not well off - so shoot me!
>>>>>>>>>>>smug that she got the last post on the old thread>>>>>>>>>>
Agree Riven. I buy it because I don't really want to sit at my desk scraping the seeds out of a melon . Many opportunities for seed scraping at home though.
Have you (the OP) said which cultural background you are from, just out of interest?
I always buy precut mango as I just can't cut them, but that is OK as I suspect I am considerably richer than you. Infact I used precut mango at my dd tea party to make a chicken and mango salad but I did not waste my wealth on disney plates, we ate off the wedgewood.
I was cut water melon which I think is perfectly acceptable....
You mean after 999 posts on the other thread you still didnt get everyone else to agree with you your answer
Your like a dog with a bone
you are raising so many points.
what shoudl we respond to it,
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