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Especially after she had, what I perceived, a proper little temper tantrum, with stamping feet and all when she was told she would not get a second go after messing up the first time? And AIBU for being really annoyed at her mother for letting her go on into that pressure cooker of a situation when she was so clearly not ready for it?

I am a sad person to be sitting here at 3.22 am, but DD has chicken pox, and I am trying to get her to sleep without scratching

This is why there should be an age limit, which would be a shame for the children that are ready for the pressure and can handle it. I did feel for her, but if she was allowed to do it again, then they all should have been. When Greg messed up a bit, I said to dp, maybe he should stamp his feet and demand to start again, surely that's only fair?

Yes there was certainly an air of something not right. I wonder if the judges regret their decision putting her through, not because she wasn't better than the other chap, she was, but that it was clearly all wrong.

Too young, can't handle the pressure, little chance of winning anyway. I wouldn't let my 10 year old apply for a show as big as that. She has plenty of time.

I agree with you, looked like a tantrum to me. I don't like her.

I didn't think it was a temper tantrum. She was upset. I think she was really brave to come on again.
However I actually agree with you that it wasn't entirely fair she got a second chance. Previous acts have messed up (e.g. not brilliant rock chicks the other night) and didn't get another go. She almost certainly went through on the vote because she messed up and was brave enough to try again and people were caught up in the drama. Thankfully Aidan chap at least won and she didn't deprive someone brilliant of a place in the final.
YANBU but I still don't think it was a tantrum.

Agree i dont think she should have had a second chance,it just goes to show that she is too young for the stress of it all.

I am glad that Aidan got through,he is a brill dancer & looks a nice young man.

I said to my dh when she was crying when she forgot her words there is no way in hell i would let my ds go on a show like that,its too much pressure for lo's.

tbh i wasnt entirely convinced by the "crying" there were no tears and she sounded like ds does when he wants something that he cant have. agree that shes obviously not ready and shouldnt have been put through.

BGT is an awful programme and should be taken off the air.
I fail to see any value to it whatsoever.

Unless, you like laughing at the mentally ill.

I think that she should have got a second chance because she is only 10 and it would have helped her get over the embarrasment and boost her confidance. Adults can manage to overcome things like this better and it was kind to try and help her deal with it as best as she could. I don't think it was a tantrum, just complete frustration at doing badly that she couldn't handle very well.

Huge mistake to put her through. I expect they want to boost the ratings as people watch to see if it happens again

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I agree with op, she shouldn't have been on stage let alone given a second chance.
Granted she is talented but she is also way to immature and seemingly highly strung to be in that type of situation.

And it did look like a tantrum to me with the footstamping etc.

I agree with OP. She was obviously going to get more votes because people would feel sorry for her and she attracted so much sympathy and attention. I wonder why they have an age limit on the X Factor (14/15 I think)but don't on this show when young kids are going to be subjected to the same sort of pressures?

DH and I had this discussion last night.
The Producers said there was no time for her to start again, she wailed and stamped her feet and got her own way.

She was too young, too immature to go on the show. Bad move.

Oh, I was sobbing my heart out about it all. Sucker that I am. But yes, you're probably right - it wasn't fair. Anyway, it's all academic because Susan will win tonight. Fix.

I've just seen it on youtube and she looks so small and vulnerable. I think they were right to allow her to start again, but I don't think she should have been allowed in the competition in the first place. She's clearly too young.

I have said all through this that there is no way I would let my dd go through something like that show at 10 years old.

I think the fact that she wanted to try again was extremely brave and think that getting to do it again and managing it was a great thing to do for her self confidence but I also don't think she should have got through. On the actual night of the royal variety performance she will not get the chance to do it again if the same thing happened to her and I think they judges as much as they were possibly giving her the sympathy vote I suppose, have to remember.

watsthestory Susan Boyle has MH issues think that might be what purple meant.

pm, i agree, susan WILL win, and i think its a shame. she was good, but not that good. diversity were much better and susan has had an unfair advantage what with all the media attention and hollywood support. if i were in the final tonight i would be so disheartened, because it will be the Susan Boyle Show, and there are several acts who are just as (if not more) talented.

I think most of the people that put themselves forward for the auditions have mental health issues. Or their parents do. I find it excruciatingly painful to watch any of it.
It's a very sad indictment on our society that the height of people's ambitions is a television talent show (the sort of thing that you would avoid like the plague if you were on holiday at Butlins)
I just don't get it, any of it.

She was not that good to start with, she is too nervous to be able to do this, her mother is a sad pushy cow and if my child had a strop like that I would hang my head in shame.

The fact that in todays society behavior like hers is not only accepted but championed is disgusting, I think Simon should have said you are the biggest brat here tonight not you are the bravest here, having a strop because you are not good enough to do something, so you get another go at it, and the sympathy vote is not brave it is not brave.

The saddest thing is that the bloke who got sent home DID have a talent but that amounts to nothing when a stropy child cries and strops.
So what is she going to do in the rest of the rounds? Cry her way through?
I would fall about laughing if she won and forgot it all in front of the queen, can't see HRH saying "oh whiny little brat go again"

what made me laugh was Simon Cowell saying 'however we do it, we will make time'
is he God, can he control time?
Or has he the power to delay news at ten?
all for a stroppy 10 year old?
I bet she is a bloody nightmare to live with now

Her parents needed to take her home.

I felt the mother was a bit pushy.

Child crying in her arms and all she could do was turn around ask Simon Cowell if she could perform again. Eh?

The kid's ten. She's allowed a tantrum or a stamping of feet.

What matters is how the adults respond and that the adults are fair and treat each contestant the same way. Allowing her to try again isn't fair on the others.

But I also think she's too young for that kind of pressure. Not all ten year olds are too young but this one is. Perhaps she was even worried that her mum would give her a row about it.

shouldn't have let her go on again. it took time away from the other acts and from their moments in the limelight, wasn't fair on them and her mother should have explained that to her. i work in tv so know how much running around, panicking and possibly lost revenue would have been attached to this. her mother should have discussed with her, before she entered the competition that you have one go at it. that's the entertainment business, we don't pay money to go to concerts or plays or musicals to see the performers (including children sometimes) start crying then start the whole thing again.if it had been my daughter i would have ushered her off the stage not let it drag on for her distress to be seen by the entire nation, but i can't imagine this is the first time this little girl has broken down, i'm sure she's performed on stage lots of times before and has had the chance to show nerves before, so surely her mother knew it could have happened. if she wins will she cry again on the royal variety show?

I felt it wasn't fair on the other contestants. They must have found time by taking it from the following acts somehow, and it was apalling that she only got the extra time by wailing about it.

Simon Cowell's always saying, quite rightly, that if contestants on this show (and others) can't hack the pressure in the audition/heats, then they shouldn't be in that profession, at least not yet.

Hollie's going to have to deal with horrible comments and going to have to grow a very thick skin if she wants to stay in the entertainment industry, and she clearly isn't ready.

Her mother should have seen that and taken her home and fed her chocolate cake and ice-cream and watched a feel-good girly movie with her.

I think she clearly had a tantrum when they first said she couldn't sing again, and also I didn't see tears so am not sure the crying was actually genuine.

good point sooper, if she can't cope with the pressure at the semi-finals what chance does she have infront of a bigger audience at RVS?

Mother should have ushered he off and let her try again in a couple of years when she has matured a bit more... it worked for George Sampson

I've just watched it on youtube and it is pretty awful viewing. I agree she shouldn't have had another chance - there is £100k at the end of this and I think other contestants may well feel understandably miffed about not getting another go just because they are a bit older. My 2.5 year old DD asked to watch it again - when I checked whether it was the one where she sings the whole song or the one where she cries, she said, that one (meaning the latter). I can see her being a pulling the legs off spiders kind of girl.....

The parents should have been told during the break (before voting and results) that in the event she comes 2nd/3rd they would not choose her for another distressful audition.
I don't actually think she was very good at all, first or second time, I was much better at her age (along with many many many 10 yr olds with talent and confidence).
Dreadful exploitation by both the show and the parents.
I will interested to hear the backlash when she messes up again tonight.

OMG, just watched this for the first time on Youtube I'm not sure what to think to be honest, clearly a lot of pressure on the girl and the whiny tantrum (without tears) was cringeworthy! But she was just being a typical girl - unfortunately in front of millions on TV!!

I had quite mixed emotions about it last night about her....thought she was very sweet etc...but emotionally she wasn't able to stand the pressure, and the parnts should know that and they should not have allowed her on the show, yet....I think she is a good enough little singer, although her shaking voice last night made her sound a bit goatish, bless...
I don't think she should have gone through though....whilst the other guy wasn't that great this time, I still thinkhe would have been better in the final....

tbh, I think it is really sad that tongiht it seems to be mostly a singing and dancing competition....not really much variety is it....

"typical girl" really? I wouldn't say that at all, some children are prone to histrionics but I wouldn't say it was typical girl at all. Mine don't all do it [just dd3 ]

I've also just looked at it on You Tube and I agree that she shouldn't have had another chance to sing.

For all that people are criticising the pressures etc of kids and vulnerable adults being in the spotlight, lots are forgetting that this is a public space too, and are throwing around terms like "whiny little brat" etc etc about a nervous and upset little girl.

Anyone of these people's families could be reading this- I don't think it's very pleasant, or even justified...we're hardly talking about Karen Matthews or Baby P- show a bit of consideration!

Oh, and I didn't think she was having a tantrum, she was upset, and embaressed, etc....I think there is a difference...and I think not allowing her to at least try again and get through it, that would have broken her spirit and it would have been very hard to come back from that....you know what they say, if you fall of a horse you have to get straight back on, otherwise you never going to again...

If she is like this at 10 just think how manipulative she will be at 20,

She is not a poor little child she IS a whiny manipulative little brat,

it was unfair on the last contestant who was rushed through the final bits and who probably would have gone through based on her original shaky performance.

I think in the light of day they should reverse the out come and put the bloke through not her.

I am almost tempted to watch it tonight to watch her f* up some more.

Simon cowell isn't God but he owns the production company so I think he could find two minutes out of the bullshit they spout to allow her to perform again.

I think they were damned either way tbh.

If they'd said no I can see the headlines "distraught ten year old not given the chance to put right," or some such.

But I don't think that she should have been put through to the final.

This is the reason I will not let my 9yo go in for BGT.

My dd is a lovely singer and performs for things quite often (usually as part of a group or duet)but is not mature enough to withstand all that pressure and the huge crowds of people watching her.

After saying that if Simon was horrid to her I'd be up on an assault charge {wink]

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I'm no fan of this type of TV, but I'd give a child a second chance in anything at any time.

Btw I remember having chicken pox even though it was a very long time ago. I found it much more comfortable if I was cold. You normally want to keep kids warm when they are ill, but in this case it made it worse.

I don't have a problem particularly with her having another go. But the kindest thing would have been for them to then say 'you did fab but come back when your a bit older/wiser/less likely to throw a strop on national TV'.

yanbu, what a whiny little brat.

herbie...I think the otehr night it wasn't that he messed up, it was that his act wasn't that great, they didn't like it, and all ex'ed them before he could finish...he than said, well...the best was to come...and Amanda was saying, well, you know you have 2 mintues, build the programme up in a way that it will hold us in attention, or soemthng like that....slightly diffferent, isn't it?
Unless we talking about different scenarios, and I missed it...

tbh, I liken last nights event with Strictly come dancing, Rampakash and Karen's routine when her dress tangled in the microphone, or something....and they were allowed to go again...but that is just me...

I felt when she first started to cry, she just looked terrified, I saw the foot-stamping as more that she was angry/upset/frustrated at herself, whether that was because she really wanted to go through or because her mum had drilled into her how important it was, I don't know.

I think it was a mistake to ask her just to sing though, I think it was lovely with the ballet as well and as she was moving about, concentrating on that etc, I think she would have felt less self-conscious.

Missed this last night so am catching upon the repeat at the moment - that isn't crying - where are the tears????

Argh - am so cross that Simon gave into her!

OMG I was intregued so just watched on youtube, wrong in so many ways. God I actually felt sorry for Ant and Dec! Especilally when she cried "please", really, that must have been a horrid position for them! The whole thing was quite awful to watch.

Just remembered the other 10 year old that got through to the final 3 on Sunday (can't remember her name) but the way she handled herself when she didn't get through compared to Hollie. She cried (with tears) but didn't whine or anything just left the stage.

IMO at 10 you're old enough to learn that you don't always get second chnaces when you mess something up. Might sound harsh but it's a life lesson we all need to learn and this girl will soon be off to secondary school where she won't get second chances or more time everytime she messes something up.

I thought the mother was awful, poor kid, I just feel sorry for her. I do like the programme though but there should be an age limit.

When I see kids that age being paraded on telly, I just think of people like THESE. It just seems to me, to be too risky to put a child in such a vulnerable position.

Was the mother begging Simon Cowell to let the girl perform again? I thought she was begging him not to say anything horrible? But admit I couldn't really make it out?

YANBU. It was atrocious. She should have been taken off stage to calm down, and then told she could not do it again.

I agree it looked like a tantrum to me, but having said that she is ten and under a huge amount of pressure so it may not be her normal behaviour.

Don't agree that all contestants are mentally ill. Just think some people like being daft to make other people laugh. Some of them are a bit odd though, but horses for courses and all that!

dh got REALLY cross at her last night

it was crocodile tears - there are NO tears till the end

she should have NEVER been given another chance - NO ONE else EVER has been given a 2nd chance in semi finals and it was unfair

what was worse,was the fact the judges choose her OVER the opera bloke - who was bloody fanastic to do both high and low notes in the song!!

maybe he should have cried

Just watched it on repeat as my sky+ failed last night... That was a tantrum to me too.. looked like what DD2 does when she can't get her way.. no way should she have gone through.. Greg was robbed

I don't think she should've had a second chance, not because of the tantrum etc it was probably frustration more than anything else, but because she is obviously not ready for the pressure and it won't get any easier if she wins. Although have noticed she never stops crying even though there is never any tears, quite annoying I must admit.

Agree there should be an age restriction to stop pushy parents. The way her mum just 'pushed' her back onto the stage was actually quite horrible to watch and made me a bit uncomfortable.

I have to say though am sick and tired of singers and dance acts surely the royal variety is about fun and laughs not istening to someone who should be on the XFactor!

Stavros Flatley seem to be the only act left who can actually provide some fun so hoping they win but no doubt will be a singer, namely Susan Boyle who's unattractiveness has made her famous

This was one event where ITV would have been right (well, maybe?? ) to have rigged the voting so that she didn't come in the top 3 last night.

tbh am quite shocked at some of the comments on here, from people who claim to also be mothers, directed at a ten year old child, who, regardless of peoples' opinions of the reaction, lost her nerve in front of an audience of several million people, and who is now being watched again and again for entertainment value on youtube.

And people are making judgements about her personality - I assume you're all happy that people do the same of your children when they don't act as you would like them to?

I agree she shouldn't have been there, but she was, and now she will have to grow up knowing that she lost her nerve in front of an audience of millions. Do you think that will be a positive thing for her?

I think adults on the whole are fair game for criticism. But I don't think that children are, especially when it comes to making comments about the kind of people they are.

I agree wannabe. I'm sure I read that her parents originally had put her older brother into the competition, keeping Hollie out of it because they considered her too young. I wonder if they wish if they had stuck to their original decision, especially if they read any of the stuff that is on here.

But Wannabe the thing is she has been put onto our screens by choice so we have the right to judge it is a talent show after all, if people don't like the act then they say so and everyone will have an opinion about all the performers attitudes and personalities.

I doubt it will scar her knowing what happened on TV she will no doubt go on to get some sort of deal for a year maybe 2 if she's lucky and will probably forget it all throughout her 15 minutes of fame.

At the end of the day who's going to moan about a child who forgot about her songs on a program where howvere many million people are watching? Hardly that bad and totally excusable it's the way she and her mother reacted that shocked me.

Anyone remember if all the final ten acts go on the nationwide tour? Is so how will she cope with this?

thing is though, why did she get nerved anyway

if you watch on sky+/you tube - she is singing ok anyway in 1st auditon

she was too young to be able to cope with the pressure, esp when against older/better people

and i blame the 3 judges for putting her through against the opera bloke

there's nothing brave about acting like a brat

that's not very nice Ladyaga. And possibly against the philosophy of mumsnet.

Oh fgs get a grip- the way some people are talking about this kid is simply disgraceful. Plain nasty.

Agree totally with BOF, Belgo and Wannabe, this is a little girl, someone's daughter/sister.

It was awful watching last night and I don't personally think she should have been given another chance, but she is hardly the bloody antchrist!

Storm in teacup. I don't think the judges should have put this little girl into the final, but I suppose a crying child makes good television

OTOH Aidan Davis was brilliant and I'm greatly looking forward to seeing him perform again.

I agreee, the way peple are down on the girl is horrible

I think people also have to remember that this was a life show, so surely it is natural to be more nervous?

tbh, I hate the way people are so quick to judge...

my son took part in a documentary a few years ago, and of course they just showed him at his worst...and misconstrued the context, and people were horrible about him, saying what a horrible boy he was and how annoying, etc...he was 3, nearly 4 ffs...

what is the philosophy of mumsnet belgo?

I didn't it to be nasty; but I didn't see anything brave happen last night, I saw a child have a tantrum because she thought she wasn't going to get he own way.

I regularly see a little girl running around the local park and swimming pool without a hair on her head or face but always with a big grin on her face and being absolutely delightful. I think she is brave.

Thankfully Hollie hasn't got a hope in hell of winning, the other little girl who sang and didn't get through was far more talented. Her voice was superior and she had a natural charm.

I think they were nervous due to the bad press involving Susan Boyle, BTG and Simon have been accused of taking advantage of her and they probably wanted the positive PR. I think they were damned if they do and damned if they don't but the preferred to err on the side of sticking up for a 10 year old girl.

I guess they have to play to the majority demographic.

The poor little girl was only overwrought, not having a temper tantrum!

She did well in the auditions, but that's much less pressure.

I didn't see a stroppy little girl, nor a pushy mother, I saw a child overwhelmed with signing live, the hype of it all, and a caring mother who just wanted Hollie to try again.

Don't we all encourage our children to do their best, and try again if it doesn't work the first time?

I don't think she will perform well tonight, however, and Simon Cowell was laughable when he promised to fix it for her to perform again.

Amanda Holden was very sweet to her, I thought.

oops, wasn't a documetary as such....ooops...not sure what it is classed as, lol

Yes twoluvlykids, I thought Amanda Holden was lovely to her as well.
I found it awful to watch, it was just so sad that she was so upset and made me cry.
She looked like a cat caught in the headlights, so little and vulnerable, not some scheming minx trying to win over everyone.

Its funny that mum's know exactly when children are having tantrums. Unfortunately that is what I thought happened last night. IMO, the child was visibly upset when she forgot her lines, but the tantrum afterwards was not nice and very uncomfortable to watch. When I dared suggest on another forum that children can have tantrums and manipulate the situation using tears, I was blasted as an unfeeling and hard hearted person. But, in my own house, my 18 month old DD is well capable of manipulating us with fake crying. So it was really unfair imo, to let a crying child have another go, when this would have definitely not happened for adults. The thing is, I would have thought, and I still do think that its too much pressure for a LO of that age, but there have been younger kids on the show who have been amazing and composed.

I agree with one of the posters here, she should have been taken off the stage, comforted, and told firmly that she cannot have another go. Who knows, the public may have well voted her in, anyways.

But seeing the mother's pleading for her to have another go, plus being on stage with her later on, is not fair to anyone. Totally wrong decision in this case. If the mother has any sense, she will withdraw the child today, as despite the sympathetic tabloids, there is a hell of a lot of scepticism and backlash going on.

Mich, some mums took it as her having a tantrum, others didn't...or are you suggesting those mothers that didn't see it as a tantrum are inferior?

I didn't see it as a tantrum and have DS2 who is quite the master of tantrums

my 5 year old and indeed my now 6 1/2 year olds are masters of tantrums, too....luckily they do seem to reduce as they are older....phew....

oh for gods sake rantaolt... how on earth can you read inferiority into mich's post?

defensive!

I think her 'tantrum' was an expression of frustration rather than an attempt to be manipulative, and I think it's OK that she was allowed another bash, but WTF were the judges thinking when they put her through to the final?

well, mich said, it's funny how us mums can spot a tantrum....when clearly not all of us here (lots of mums) have not perceived it as such...surely that could be prescribed as a bit smug...

There were no tears. It felt staged to me, if I'm honest. Like she'd been coached. And the judges were in on it.

Or maybe I'm too much of a conspiracist. Or I've been reading too much Ben Elton

And... whoever said she shouldn't be judged the same as an adult, is wrong, imo. Put yourself out there, get judged, whoever you are.

oh, and what do I have to feel defensive about [confused emoticon]

That was defintely not my intended meaning. What I was trying to say is that its probably easier for mum's to identify tantrums, as opposed to someone who may not necessarily have children or be around young children a lot. For example, even my mum, who was a teacher, falls for my DDs tantrums most of the time, and hates it when we have to ignore her, so she can get over it.

I am not claiming that anybody is superior or inferior, several of us are just struggling to make sense of children and hoping to bring them up the 'right' way (a very subjective term, if I may add).

I saw that the child was distressed when she forgot her lines, any child would have been, when performing at that scale. However, the resulting drama was handled very badly, in my opinion. And if it was my DD on there, I would have made sure to take her off that stage, and let her recover instead of pleading for another chance.

What I found particularly upsetting was that the mum, even before she reached Hollie was looking at Simon, going, can she go again, please?? I found that hard to take, becuase surely in that situation, your priority should be to comfort the little child and not worry about anything else?

I have been on TV myself (albiet, not in that pressured situation), and I know very well that if you put yourself out there in a reality show by choice, you will have to take the good with the bad. We can't just not comment on the situation because she is 'just a child'. If Susan Boyle had messed up would we have been as forgiving (or not?) and she would have certainly not got another chance.

There should be a BGT for children. Not live TV, but taped to get over the pressure.

Whatever one thinks of her performance, it was horrible to watch a child going into meltdown on TV.

fair enough mich...that wasn't how I read your other post, so, thank you for explaining....
btw, I do agree it was badly handled and that the girl was under to much pressure which she wasn't able to cope yet...
I jsut didn't see her having a tantrum....

'What I found particularly upsetting was that the mum, even before she reached Hollie was looking at Simon, going, can she go again, please?? I found that hard to take, becuase surely in that situation, your priority should be to comfort the little child and not worry about anything else?'

Ah but this is a showbiz mum - her first reaction would be to tell her daughter to get back on that stage and perform.

She is only a little girl and there were tears if you look closely I think it was humane to let her try again and she was very brave to try and succeed.I am more concerned about Julian Smith the saxophonist who is a very experiencced professional musician under another name-Jules someone.

I agree- I wasn't impressed with him blubbing that he'd never quite made it. If he does gigs here and there and gets a bit of session work, that's as much as most musicians get. What's his problem?

I think she should only have got to sing again if they all could have if they asked. It's unfair otherwise. If she's too young to be treated the same as the others she's too young to be in it. I think they should have a lower age limit of 14-16. If you have talent below that you should still have it when you're older. If you've "lost" your talent then maybe it wasn't really there. That also enables people to judge acts on their quality (what quality?) and not how cute or appealing they are.
The 2 twins had no singing talent and shouldn't have been allowed back to the semis. The boy was quite good but his family ruined it for him by dragging him down.

I have to say when I saw the hollie saga.. all I wanted to do was take that child off the stage and provide ice cream and hugs.

poor poor kid.

but I hated the way the mother handled it, and there was no way that she should have got to sing again.. 10 years old or not.. no other contestant would be able to.
and..it was the blubbing that got her through not her talent. There were much better children performing this year who had the confidence to do so and seemed to really enjoy it.

I hope she earns enough to cover her coucilling fees later on in life.

Serendipitous I an beginning to agree with you - watching it last night, I was upset and felt really sorry but cynical old DH kept saying it was a complete set-up. Anyway, I then remembered MIL telling us that she went to a do last weekend where Hollie was performed/answered questions on her 'fame' (she lives in the local area) and MIL said she was extremely confident etc etc.

Now I know performing on live TV is different to performing to a load of old women but is a bit to me.

regardless if she sang again or not - the judges are the ones to blame for putting her through against the opera singer - who i though was fab to be able to sing in high and low voice

saying that i hope that one of the 2 boy dance acts win tonight - they are both very good, and sure the queen and prince philip will enjoy - because that is the whole point of bgt - to find an act for the royal vs!!

I thought Susan Boyle had it in the bag... before the backlash began. I like Stavros Flatley though, its just so much more fun! Plus, they look like they are loving the whole experience.

I wanted Callum Francis to got through

she's not very good but she wasn't throwing a tantrum. She genuinely wanted to be on the show and she clearly panicked when she got the words wrong. She is only a little girl and should have gotten a second chance but she won't win BGT.

I was annoyed at her mum though. She was telling Hollie to 'forget everyone else' etc but I would have said 'right, we are going home'. Seems like her parents are pushing her.

Susan Boyle has learning difficulties and is an inspiration to everyone. Little kids will learn that you don't have to be good looking or intelligent to succeed.

(but I think susan boyle is cr*p and I'm scottish!)

I read in the paper today that her mother wants her to have a record deal as this is her last chance.

How sad- life is hardly over aged ten! I peaked about seventeen before I started to disappoint anyone

I was one second old when I first disappointed my mother

I think this programme is a modern-day freak show. It's morally dubious to derive entertainment from adult freaks (some of whom clearly have mental health issues) but totally wrong to derive entertainment from child-freaks, I think

<and no she should not have got another chance - my DCs were militant that this was unfair - made me watch a clip of the programme and left me squirming inside>

Awww, Fab, it wasn't your fault! Hey, at least we've got DPs who are irrationally impressed with us now, eh?

Ok I will take all the flaming but IMHO there were no tears of frustration, nerves etc HOWEVER there was one very well rehearsed little girl....watch again she knew exactly what she was doing...she had been told many times I would imagine....Ok darling don't forget cry...and thats what she did

She played her role very well and got through on the sympathy vote.

thelady - you sound just like my dh - he said it was all an act

I thought it was staged too, maybe I'm too cynical though.

Whatever, ten is very young to be put under that kind of pressure.

I don't believe for one second it was anything more than an act...

whats the bet that she manages to get through tonights show eh??

She is a stage school brat princess who put on a good show for the public to feel sorry for her!

Natalie Okri was a brilliant singer the same age, a natural talent and guess what she never got through but she held her head high. I know who I would have preffered in the finals.

There were tears! You just need a swanky chav telly like mine

I'm a chav too there were def tears. It was pointless to stage it when there was almost zero competition for second place. If she was going for the sympathy vote then she should have sung the whole song then sobbed quietly through the comments then bawled 'I just feel like I've let everyone down, I can do so much better' when coaxed. If she faked the whole thing then she deserves to win on her acting talent.

oodlesofpoodles.. i adore your name. always makes me smile

Bitof lol i have a chavvy 42" tv and did not see any tears!

Too right BOF.

Total set up IMO-didn't witness any tears on my "chavtastic" 42" TV either.

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I know she is only 10, but no one else would have got a second chance and I don't think she should have either.

I certainly agree with other posters with the temper trantrum.

lol, I saw tears and have the advantage of having watched it over Projector, lol, meaning, you and your 42 inch tv's are small screens ....now, does that make me a ponce or a chav though, lol

Oh and as for her "being the bravest girl in Britain" <toquote Simon Cowell>....it makes me want to vomit!

well...yeha, bravest girl in britain was overdoing it a bit, lol

She has just sung in he final and she did really well. I just dont agree with putting your child through this for a quick route to fame. She does have a great range but sounds to me as if she has a trained voice and at that age is just rediculous.

I just watched it on youtube. Poor little girl, clearly out of her depth. I think her parents are mad.

Having said that, I am a bit of a soft touch it seems (which surprises me!). I would have let her go again but under no circumstances put her through to the next round, it is way too much.

Perhaps because I have a boy and a tantrum is a loud shouty thing to me, that didn't look like a tantrum but a little girl being upset.

Or maybe I am a sucker

Haven't read all ,but seems unfair- would an adult have got a 2nd chance? no.

If they want to run it as a level playing field, the same rules should apply to everyone.

Susan B didn't get a 2nd chance for being nervous and hitting a few bum notes....but then she didn't cry....

I saw this and thought it was just awful to see a ten year old going through that sort of nightmare experience; I imagine the memory of standing there unable to remember the words in front of a whole theatre and millions of viewers will be something that haunts that little girl. A horrible thing to have in your memory at that age.

Agree that when I saw her upset about it, that WAS a tantrum, definite foot stamping went on and she ramped up the volume - yes, of course she was upset but this was about getting another go - rather than just being upset and needing a cuddle. All of it was totally yucky and I felt it was horrible and unecessary to watch. None of it was healthy TBH. Her having that experience, then being able to tantrum to another go.

Yes there should be an age limit IMHO if only to protect kids from parents who will put them in this position.

I don't like her much and hope she doesn't win but I do think it's more about the mum than her. When she faltered the 1st time I heard her say i've done my best mum and it sounded as if she'd get a telling off tbh. Anyhow, lets hope the public don't give her the sympathy vote cos she hasn't got a pleasant voice in my humble opinion.

They should have an under 14s/16s BGT show-you really can't compare the talents of childre and adults- children get credit for being "children who can perform" whereas adults just get credit if they can perform.

Del- I hate her voice- it is unnatural, forced and too much vibrato.

that's what I mean about protecting kids from parents! She should have years yet to enjoy singing and feel strong and confident in her voice. Above all to enjoy it not force it like this - agree with you howtotell..It sounds very forced and strained.

couldn't agree more. Horrid!

I have a friend who is a voice coach who was approached to train a little girl for the show. She refused (because she thinks it's cruel putting a child through all that) and the parents have started all kinds of nasty rumours about her being no good at her job.

I agree with you DelGirl about the Mum - a pushy parent if ever there was one.

Her mum was definitely pushy, you can see her on the Youtube video mouthing at Simon "Do it again" twice with that look on her face that would stop a watch. There was no need to make the child go through that again.

Just watched the video on you tube - absolutely awful on all counts.

YANBU. Spoilt brat who screamed and cried til she got her way. What a bad example

Well at least she did not win, nasty little brat

sure her school friends will be taking the piss out of her for years to come - as the girl who cried/had a tt on national live tv

glad she didnt win - she wasnt up to it

She is not a baby. I was just embarrassed for her. So glad she didn't win - what would have happened if she froze in front of the queen?

There should bean age limit.

I just look at these children and think, this is not childhood. Shouldn't they be spending their half-term holidays running around the park, or playing, instead of in a studio rehearsing another horrible song?

I don't mind children being exposed to competition but this is big pressure and contains no useful lessons for children. What will Hollie take away from that - that she was not good enough? That she shouldn't nake mistakes? That what people want from a girl is a picture perfect little angel? It's all rubbish, superficial and damaging.

As Simon said yesterday, if a child has the talent - and the maturity - then why shouldn't they be offered the opportunity to enter BGT?

Hollie's parents shouldn't have entered her into the competition. She just wasn't emotionally ready.
I read in the Daily Mail yesterday that Hollie's mother wants her daughter to get "some sort of record deal as she'll never get a break like this again". Sad if true.

agree children should be allowed to perform

but

if they strop/have tears then the parents should take them off the show/stage

all children mature at different rates